1180485866 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1180485920 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1180486295 Q * zLinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180487129 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180488640 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.146 1180488919 J * dilinger ~dilinger@mail.queued.net 1180488923 M * dilinger Bertl: ping 1180489543 M * Bertl dilinger: pong! 1180489626 M * dilinger Bertl: hiya! quick question; is there any nand write limiting stuff implemented in vserver? 1180489655 M * Bertl not directly, i.e. we want to get that into jffs2 1180489681 M * Bertl the reason for doing that is the following: 1180489684 M * dilinger ok, so no code's been written or anything? 1180489710 M * dilinger Bertl: we're unsure whether we even need it, but knowing whether it even existed is good to know ;) 1180489720 M * Bertl yes, there has been code written for that, but it has to be checked with dwmw2 1180489745 M * Bertl because the current code is more a proof of concept 1180489750 M * dilinger ah 1180489752 M * dilinger cool, thanks! 1180489753 M * Bertl the problem is a little tricky 1180489770 M * Bertl several contexts can easily write to one page 1180489787 M * Bertl then we have to decide how we account that for the nand, if at all 1180489814 M * Bertl IMHO the better approach is to go via the inode and block counters we need to have for jffs2 anyways 1180489849 M * Bertl and to use them with Token Buckets 1180490089 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-161-186.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr 1180490198 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180490361 J * mountie ~mountie@CPE000f66950c89-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1180492167 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1180492172 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1180499422 J * bzed_ ~bzed@dslb-084-059-117-214.pools.arcor-ip.net 1180499858 Q * bzed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180503537 Q * zLinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180505055 J * dna ~naucki@238-233-dsl.kielnet.net 1180505056 M * dna n 1180506005 J * DavidS ~david@213.20.156.34 1180506036 N * DavidS DavidS|de 1180507494 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann[PullA] 1180508048 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.36.223 1180511781 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1180512225 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-206-230.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1180513401 J * dlezcano ~dlezcano@blueice3n1.uk.ibm.com 1180513514 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180513559 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1180513601 J * Punkie ~punkie@235-105-207-85.bluetone.cz 1180516700 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-211-181.pools.arcor-ip.net 1180518350 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1180518355 M * Bertl morning folks! 1180519408 M * Baby hi Bertl!!! 1180519409 M * Baby :) 1180519412 M * Baby lunch time, cu l8r! 1180519425 M * Bertl enjoy your lunch! 1180521039 M * mjt Baby: which answer? 1180521045 M * mjt (i'm back.. finally) 1180521121 M * mjt it's fscking' hot here -- +38C. And air conditioner broke yesterday... wug. 1180521132 M * sid3windr kioslaves++ 1180521132 M * sid3windr :p 1180521160 M * sid3windr mm 1180521162 M * sid3windr wrong window 1180521165 M * sid3windr lag-- :) 1180521220 N * bzed_ bzed 1180521913 Q * yang Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1180522449 Q * mstrobert Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180523021 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1180523320 Q * ema 1180525060 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1180525231 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1180525842 M * Baby mjt: u there? :) 1180526664 M * Bertl .oO( that can take a while :) 1180526781 M * Baby :) 1180526857 Q * dlezcano Read error: Connection reset by peer 1180528912 J * toom ~toom@coco.docisland.org 1180528924 Q * kir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180529087 M * Bertl welcome toom! 1180529126 M * toom hi 1180529181 M * toom I wonder if vserver supports ipv6 in 2.6.21 1180529200 M * daniel_hozac no. 1180529222 M * toom ok 1180529227 M * toom it is planned ? 1180529244 M * daniel_hozac IPv6? it should be merged into 2.3 RSN :) 1180529342 M * toom vs-2.3.0.12 supports ipv6 ? 1180529465 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1180529481 M * ard .12 is not RSN :-( 1180529497 M * toom ok :) 1180529538 M * ard (else I would have a much nicer host name for irc :-) ) 1180529843 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1180530813 M * Bertl toom: there are patches available to add ipv6 for now 1180530874 M * FaUl Bertl: when can we expect the patches to be merged to the main vserver-tree? 1180530931 M * toom Bertl: for 2.6.21 kernel ? 1180530947 M * Bertl FaUl: as daniel_hozac said, RSN 1180531006 M * FaUl really soon? 1180531107 M * Punkie :) 1180531132 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1180531134 M * Bertl FaUl: believe it or not: Really Soon Now :) 1180531158 M * FaUl whee 1180531161 M * FaUl ;-) 1180531200 M * Bertl toom: I don't think for 2.6.21 (yet) but for older kernels 1180531217 M * Bertl (nevertheless they might work for 2.6.21 too) 1180531409 M * toom the latest patch I found (patch-2.6.20.4-vs2.2.0.ipv6-rc19.diff) makes many rejects when I try to apply it 1180531487 M * daniel_hozac even to 2.6.20.11-vs2.2.0? 1180531604 M * toom I prefer to use 2.6.21 1180531618 M * daniel_hozac why? for the sysfs oopses under memory pressure? :) 1180531622 M * Bertl toom: np with that :) 1180531629 A * mnemoc fears .22 1180531799 M * arachnist what's supposed to be in .22? 1180531831 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1180532200 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-182-243.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1180532509 A * mjt is back.... again ;) 1180532524 M * mjt bah. almost 2 hours later!.. :) 1180532576 M * mjt i was busy with some umm... work 1180533930 J * dlezcano ~dlezcano@blueice3n1.uk.ibm.com 1180534034 Q * Punkie Quit: Leaving 1180534860 M * Baby mjt: i'm here 1180534863 M * Baby :) 1180534868 M * mjt ! 1180534869 M * Baby mjt: ping? 1180535434 M * derjohn foo, what does that mean? The courier is within a vserver4 guest. /etc/init.d/courier-imap: xrealloc: ../bash/print_cmd.c:1273: cannot reallocate 512 bytes (0 bytes allocated 1180535525 M * mjt memory limit reached? 1180535538 M * derjohn /proc/virtual/45/limit says, no limit hot 1180535542 M * derjohn *hit 1180535569 M * mjt well, that message means exactly this: bash is unable to allocate memory. 1180535585 M * mjt there are ulimits too 1180535605 M * derjohn mjt, interesting, it bash and not courier complaining 1180535630 M * mjt /etc/init.d/courier.imap is a shell script 1180535652 M * mjt you have tooooo low memory limit somewhere 1180535653 M * Baby mjt: i copy and paste :) 1180535661 M * mjt hmm? 1180535662 M * Baby [18:04:24] does anyone know the answer to this? how geode is comparable with, say, via c3 or c7? 1180535662 M * Baby [18:12:43] Baby, hard to say. Depends on how fast your Geode is and the C3 or C7 1180535662 M * Baby [18:13:09] however I believe the Geode is slower, but with the advantage of using even less power 1180535662 M * Baby [18:14:21] to give you a rough unreliable idea. My Geode 266Mhz does 534.48 Bogomips 1180535662 M * Baby [18:19:28] And my soekris box is rated a 15W max power consumption (if I remember correctly) 1180535687 M * mjt aha! 1180535692 M * Baby :) 1180535741 M * mjt i just wonder if, say, 800 or even 500MHz c3 (eden) or geode is sufficient for a diskless xterminal 1180535750 M * mjt the best is to try it out, i think :) 1180535772 M * Baby it might be, don't see why not, depending on what you want to use it for 1180535793 M * mjt say, Pentium-160 isn't comfortable for this role 1180535811 M * mjt screen redraws are very slow 1180535815 M * derjohn mjt, IIRC you can only lower ulimits within a guest, not rise'em 1180535826 M * Baby i think it is, if you're referring to a dumb x terminal running remote x apps 1180535860 M * mjt derjohn: you can do both, provided your new limits are within constraints for the guest 1180535865 M * Baby 800 is enought even for decoding divx iin my opinion 1180535900 M * derjohn well, I didnt set any ulimit in /etc/vservers/foo/.... for that guest. 1180535902 M * mjt my 900MHz (overclocked to 1.1Ghz) via c3 isn't capable to play DVDs 1180535931 M * Baby yup, probably full-sized dvds might be too much resolution 1180535945 M * derjohn i simply commented out the ulimti -v line in the init script for now. 1180535950 M * mjt full-sized? I thought the resolution is standard 1180535951 M * derjohn mjt, thx for you help 1180535970 M * Baby the resolution of dvds yep, not of divx afaik 1180535972 M * mjt derjohn: *in* the initscript?? 1180536005 M * derjohn yup, courier (debian) ship with ulimit -v $ULI .... while that limit cones from the courier config file itself. 1180536010 M * Baby anyway dvd is mpeg2 isn'T it? it should be able 1180536055 M * mjt memory access speed is about 80Mb/sec only on this system (it's SIMMs still) 1180536062 M * mjt or 90 - dont remember 1180536081 M * mjt in any case, believe me - i tried hard, and it can't cope :) 1180536088 M * Baby i believe you :) 1180536103 M * mjt in 'doze it doesn't work at all. mplayer *almost* works, with -hardframedrop 1180536123 M * mjt no postprocessing etc ofcourse 1180536124 M * Baby we were decoding 4 divx cif-size 12.5 fps streams in a via 800 last year 1180536130 M * Baby that's why i'm a bit surprised 1180536177 M * Baby cif = 1/4 pal 1180536244 M * Baby but then again, it's muche more resolution and fps so it might not be comparable 1180536457 M * mjt in any way.. it all has nothing to do with vserver.. i guess.. ;) 1180536622 M * Baby yup, sorry for the offtopic :) 1180536825 Q * zLinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180536944 P * toom 1180537449 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1180537450 Q * dreamind Remote host closed the connection 1180537792 M * ard mjt : if you are talking about the 300MHz geode: stay away from it... 1180537838 M * ard if you are accessing the "virtual hardware", it wil emulate the hardware in software in something that's even deeper than a system management interrupt 1180537868 M * ard the software emulation is proprietary, and differs between vendors 1180537895 M * ard (i.e.: one vendor gives you a working soundblaster emulation, and the other vendor gives you a working vga emulation) 1180537908 M * DavidS|de ugggh 1180537986 M * ard if you are in text-mode, the blinking cursor can give you a 10ms latency depending on the vendor (because the blinking is done in virtual hardware interrupts) 1180537992 M * Baby ard: I'm not sure to understand 1180538006 M * Baby ard: you don't have direct access to the hardware? 1180538021 M * ard there is no real hardware... 1180538039 M * ard although the X server does access the real hardware 1180538058 M * ard I mean: it emulates known hardware so that you don't have to write drivers 1180538097 M * Baby who emulates it the? the chipset? 1180538105 M * ard The processor :-) 1180538141 M * ard in a system management interrupt like fashion: you don't know that it occured, except that you lost 10ms between one machine instruction and the next 1180538152 M * ard and you can't turn it off 1180538166 M * Baby so the processor itself is virtual? 1180538179 M * ard you mean what does the processor emulate? 1180538193 M * Baby i'm just asking, i'ma bit surprised 1180538217 M * ard it usually converts any I/O access to soundblaster I/O ports to VSA interrupts 1180538227 M * ard this is about the geode 1... 1180538270 M * Baby aha i see 1180538283 M * Baby does it make the system go slower? 1180538374 M * ard the problem is not that it makes it slower, it makes it undeterministically slower 1180538422 M * ard f.i.: you want to do some low-latency usb stuff, and you accidentally touch the "soundblaster", and p00f gone is your data 1180538454 M * Baby oh i see 1180538455 M * ard (the usb is fully functional though :-) ) 1180538456 M * Baby hmm 1180538474 M * ard I think I have met the geode GX1... 1180538478 M * Baby not valid even for mild real time stuff then 1180538499 M * ard unless you are certain you will never ever use the virtual hardware :-) 1180538519 M * ard they do have a very low power consumption 1180538554 M * Baby that's good :) 1180538716 M * ard things might have changed in the mean time... 1180538736 M * ard (I mean about making sure the VSA stuff is not touched etc..) 1180538747 M * ard I was working with that stuff around 2003 1180538755 M * ard capio X-terminals 1180538875 M * ard soekris probably also has some proprietary stuff inside their bios to support vsa 1180538954 M * ard Hmmm, there is linuxbios now available, that changes a lot I guess :-) 1180538997 M * Baby have u tried it? linuxbios i mean 1180539001 M * ard nope 1180539013 M * Baby me neither, i was just curious 1180539028 M * ard I am contracted at a different company now :-) 1180539043 M * ard so no thin-clients, only fat-servers :-) 1180539089 M * Baby XD 1180539122 M * ard first time of my life I saw hardware raid outperform software raid on a fat-server 1180539149 M * ard write-speed of 1 VCD /second, and 1.2 VCD/second read time 1180539154 M * arachnist since when does software raid outperform hardware raid? 1180539160 M * ard that *is* fat 1180539175 M * ard arachnist : it usually does... 1180539185 M * ard until I've met this areca raid controller 1180539192 M * ard pushing 800MB/s 1180539206 M * ard although software raid will probably do that also... 1180539207 M * arachnist probably depends on the loads 1180539219 M * sid3windr areca is da bomb 1180539244 M * arachnist if one gets a lot of cpu load, i doubt that software raid will be better 1180539263 M * ard We also have a 3ware raid controller, and you really don't want to use the raid. Softraid is faster 1180539268 M * sid3windr indeed 1180539279 M * sid3windr I have a few 3wares left in old old servers 1180539280 M * sid3windr hehe 1180539283 M * ard but usually the software has to wait for the raid controller :-) 1180539287 M * sid3windr the rest has been kicked out 1180539313 M * ard so I haven't really seen a case that hardware raid helped out 1180539319 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu 1180539374 M * ard and with real database access (multiple threads etc..), the caching of softraid is better 1180539424 M * Bertl okay, translocating ... so off for now ... back later! 1180539428 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1180539530 J * mstrobert ~mstrobert@wkstn.wycliffe.ca 1180541834 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.33.53 1180541930 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-111-168.adsl.restena.lu 1180542208 M * DavidS|de is there a canonical/best practice way to detect whether one is running on a vserver enabled kernel and in which context? 1180542236 M * DavidS|de (preferably from the shell) 1180542486 M * daniel_hozac not any definitive way. 1180542596 M * DavidS|de hm .. not even that I'm running in _any_ context? 1180542620 M * DavidS|de I can see that I'm running in the host context from /proc/virtual 1180542876 M * DavidS|de hmm .. guest contexts don't have a PID 2, which is a kernel thread. .. i could use that .. :-( 1180543073 J * zLinux_ ~zLinux@88.213.56.183 1180543193 Q * zLinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180543858 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-211-181.pools.arcor-ip.net 1180544163 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1180545013 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1180545143 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1180545603 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180545729 J * PowerKe ~tom@d54C13E4B.access.telenet.be 1180546030 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1180546043 Q * dlezcano Read error: Connection reset by peer 1180548317 J * marcfiu ~mef@200.211.176.2 1180549345 M * mjt ard: there are other devices available now. Most are on 500MHz geode, I've also seen 1GHz and 1.5GHz 1180549523 M * mjt for example -- Fujitsu-Siemens FUTURO A -- http://vilpublic.fujitsu-siemens.com/vil/pc/vil/datenblaetter/thin_clients/ds_futro_a.pdf -- a very nice box, based on 500MHz AMD LX800. But for such a thing, it's very expensive (about $400..$500) 1180550353 P * marcfiu 1180551771 M * slack101 my nigggas 1180551773 M * slack101 what it do 1180552538 J * FireEgl FireEgl@4.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.c.d.4.8.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 1180552968 M * baldy FireEgl: broken rdns? ;) 1180553126 M * FaUl look not to broken though ;-) 1180553324 M * slack101 man 1180553328 M * slack101 this openvcp 1180553335 M * slack101 i am still trying to use it 1180553343 M * slack101 i really do not want to use no Apache12 1180553346 M * slack101 apache2 1180554317 M * weasel FaUl: is broken. trying to be smart, or different. having A, AAAA, and MX records in .arpa. you should be ashamed :) 1180554349 M * weasel also, you have bogus MXes 1180554358 M * FaUl I? 1180554380 M * weasel ah 1180554386 M * weasel no, FireEgl 1180554413 Q * slack101 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1180554470 M * FireEgl =P 1180555587 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180555678 M * arachnist http://img.wklej.org/images/68003polish-criminal.jpg 1180555783 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@85.195-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be 1180555978 M * arachnist hmm 1180555986 M * arachnist damn, forgot to translate it 1180556192 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180556695 Q * besonen_mobile Read error: Connection reset by peer 1180556707 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net 1180556845 Q * DavidS|de Quit: Leaving. 1180556993 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1180559384 J * tuxmania ~bonbons@ppp-110-74.adsl.restena.lu 1180559658 Q * tuxmania 1180559767 Q * bonbons Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1180559949 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1180560277 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1180560318 M * ktwilight i'm getting a message from syslogd, would it relate to vserver? 1180560319 M * ktwilight localhost kernel: eax: dfb323a8 ebx: 00000000 ecx: 00000000 edx: 0000541b 1180560320 M * ktwilight that's the message 1180560345 M * daniel_hozac that's not all. 1180560361 M * daniel_hozac get the entire message from dmesg and paste it to paste.linux-vserver.org. 1180560539 M * ktwilight hm, it's way too large for tail 1180560569 M * daniel_hozac you know you can use tail -n 50 or so, right? 1180560598 M * ktwilight yea i do 1180560622 M * ktwilight ok maybe not. it's 693 lines 1180560636 M * daniel_hozac humm? 1180560664 M * ktwilight http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2102 1180560684 M * ktwilight is that about right? 1180560780 M * daniel_hozac interesting... 1180560807 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure what would cause the page allocation failures. 1180560813 M * ktwilight firefox maybe ;) 1180560817 M * ktwilight it crashed my firefox 1180560821 M * ktwilight or rather firefox crashed it 1180560850 M * daniel_hozac sure, but you have free RAM. 1180560877 M * ktwilight yup lots of it too 1180560907 M * daniel_hozac you might want to show it to waldi, but i guess it's not really a kernel problem per se 1180560937 M * ktwilight hm i see, any other suggestions? 1180561147 M * waldi its a typical OOM call 1180561160 M * waldi and tainted 1180561175 M * waldi and null dereg 1180561178 M * daniel_hozac ah yes, i missed that. 1180561180 M * ktwilight ah, there you are! was about to post it on the mailing list 1180561183 M * ktwilight what does that mean? 1180561201 M * waldi you want to stop filling your memory 1180561216 M * waldi you want to stop loading propietary modules if you want help 1180561230 M * ktwilight ? 1180561260 J * Aiken ~james@ppp233-152.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net 1180561260 M * ktwilight i guess proprietary modules would mean the wireless module i have got from the official website 1180561269 M * ktwilight the others are stock 1180561291 M * daniel_hozac official website == debian.org? 1180561295 M * ktwilight ralink? 1180561336 M * ktwilight i don't use ndiswrapper, so i don't see how i'm violating anything here 1180561458 M * waldi rt61? 1180561461 M * ktwilight yup 1180561514 M * waldi modinfo rt61? 1180561588 M * ktwilight http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2103 1180561603 M * waldi yeah, no license 1180561756 M * ktwilight oh right, so ralink is a bad boy? 1180561776 M * ktwilight should i email paul lin to fill him in, or what's a good solution around this? 1180561875 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1180562922 M * derjohn if i want to run a mail command in a chroot ... is there some ready made binary that is statically linked somewhere? of can I link the needed libs afterwards? I see them with ldd, but dont know how to link them "hard" 1180564192 Q * ktwilight Remote host closed the connection 1180564585 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)