1179793578 P * click [IRSSI] 1179793616 J * click click@ti511110a080-0476.bb.online.no 1179793703 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179794125 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de 1179794783 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving 1179796166 M * slack101 why is bind taking 2-3 mins to start up ? 1179796175 M * slack101 it starts up but taking 2-3 mins is crazy 1179796216 M * slack101 maybe 4-5 mins 1179796315 M * daniel_hozac what is taking so long? 1179796332 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1179796390 J * Aiken ~james@ppp244-220.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1179798672 M * Bertl_oO mnemoc: well, first, you will see exactly what is mounted with 'mount', which is .. kind of unexpected behaviour :) 1179798723 M * Bertl_oO mnemoc: then, you will not be able to use quota, as most quota options do not have kernel side flags 1179798736 M * Bertl_oO (that is probably true for other 'special' mount flags too) 1179799144 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1179799201 J * Aiken ~james@ppp244-220.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1179799352 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1179799364 J * Hollow ~hollow@styx.xnull.de 1179800599 M * slack101 is their any web front end for Vserver? 1179800790 M * daniel_hozac openvcp, openvps. 1179800921 M * slack101 whihc one is best ? 1179800942 M * slack101 which one* 1179800978 M * daniel_hozac no idea. 1179801059 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1179801250 M * Bertl_oO slack101: test them, and let us know :) 1179801261 M * slack101 in your opinion which one is better Bertl_oO 1179801269 N * ensc Guest100 1179801279 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4EB33.dip.t-dialin.net 1179801317 M * Bertl_oO each of them has certain issues, and I haven't checked for a while now ... 1179801387 Q * Guest100 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179801442 M * slack101 whihc one d u like better at the time ? 1179801444 M * slack101 Bertl_oO: 1179801824 M * slack101 if you had to use one which would it be ? Bertl_oO :) 1179802260 M * lylix slack101: home grown ;) 1179802892 M * Bertl_oO slack101: if I had to use one, I'd download the latest versions and check them out ... the one more suited for my requirements would be the winner :) 1179804493 Q * ruskie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179804533 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net 1179805537 M * slack101 Bertl_oO: i wantt to download one and call it a day 1179805656 Q * blizz Remote host closed the connection 1179805658 J * blizz ~blizz@evilhackerdu.de 1179805690 Q * hardwire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179805719 M * slack101 openVPS loooks hard as hell to install Bertl_oO 1179806338 M * slack101 Bertl_oO: they look pretty cool 1179806579 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179807353 Q * _cob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179807722 J * _cob ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1179810403 Q * AndrewLee Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179810688 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-6313.wasilla.mtaonline.net 1179811582 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1179811743 J * dna ~naucki@233-230-dsl.kielnet.net 1179812887 M * slack101 man i really wonder which one is best 1179812930 M * lylix what functionality are you looking for? 1179813031 M * lylix if just ability to manage vps accounts (add/modify/remove), control (start/reboot/stop), traffic stats, and customer access, openvcp is good 1179813169 M * slack101 lylix: are you that dude that was suppose to setup my server? where did you go :) 1179813205 M * lylix ahhh, 1. i offered, never heard back... 2. im always around on IRC and i think you have my email 1179813222 M * slack101 well i was just on msn 1179813230 M * slack101 i am only on irc 1179813232 M * slack101 casue 1179813232 J * micah ~micah@204.13.164.72 1179813252 M * slack101 this guy did the vserver stuff 1179813258 M * lylix same for msn, yahoo, aol, icq... always on. 1179813278 M * slack101 but i wanted a control panel for them 1179813283 M * slack101 yea ive been away for 2 weeks 1179813294 M * slack101 the guy jus said you werent on 1179813309 M * lylix heh, well he didnt look hard enough :) 1179813345 M * lylix try openvcp... jut will need to install some dependecies, but its works well out of the box and you shouldnt need to modify your existing setup 1179813358 M * slack101 yea well he was a half partner so it was kinda like waitig on him 1179813360 M * slack101 but 1179813392 M * slack101 in about 2 weeks my boss needs a small company server setup 1179813395 M * slack101 hes more serious 1179813401 M * slack101 if you wanted to do it 1179813411 M * slack101 or else hes gonna get some random indian 1179813479 M * slack101 whats that other control panel like, they dont have any screens or anything 1179813520 M * lylix i think freevps is more than a control panel, appears to be patched kernel + panel , et. al. 1179813530 M * lylix never used it 1179813539 M * slack101 freevps? 1179813548 M * slack101 i thought it was openvps 1179813549 M * lylix yes, never used freevps 1179813563 M * slack101 freevps i think is a whole other project all around 1179813579 M * slack101 alternative too or break off of linux vserver 1179813583 M * lylix hrm... k, openvps also, never used 1179813617 M * slack101 http://www.openvps.org/ 1179813643 M * lylix yep, looks interesting 1179813652 M * slack101 you ever use ISPconfig ? 1179813725 M * lylix nope, just a co-developed control panel called phpmywebhosting 1179813755 M * lylix most of those panels are too obtrusive and screw around w/ apps too much 1179813860 M * slack101 hmmmm 1179813878 M * slack101 i dont like the daemon stuff they all run 1179813934 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179814055 Q * hardwire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179814536 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-6905.palmer.mtaonline.net 1179814606 J * micah ~micah@204.13.164.72 1179816282 Q * micah Quit: leaving 1179816287 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1179816500 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1179816596 P * cdrx 1179817421 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1179817478 Q * AndrewLee 1179817483 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1179817492 Q * AndrewLee 1179817560 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1179817751 M * slack101 hard decision and this openvps is being a biach 1179817784 M * daniel_hozac so, use the other one? 1179817949 M * slack101 i want to try them both ;) 1179818312 M * slack101 i think OpenVPS is more Advanced 1179818315 M * slack101 I could offer bothh 1179818323 M * slack101 i dont think they willl conflict 1179818425 M * Bertl_oO okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1179818431 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1179820469 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-101-055.pools.arcor-ip.net 1179821093 Q * Wuher Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179821099 J * Wuher Wuher@c-67-177-29-11.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1179821814 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1179824515 J * Spyke ~jonas@pc19.hip.fi 1179824708 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@240.70-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1179824791 J * ard ~ard@gw-cistron.kwaak.net 1179824855 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US 1179825127 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179825140 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@244.211-66-87.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be 1179825418 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179825570 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1179825620 J * Aiken ~james@ppp244-220.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1179826188 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179827989 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1179828021 N * dreamind Guest110 1179829747 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-39-210.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1179830273 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1179830804 Q * Guest110 Quit: Guest110 1179831180 J * Punkie ~punkie@235-105-207-85.bluetone.cz 1179831454 Q * Punkie 1179831479 J * Punkie ~punkie@235-105-207-85.bluetone.cz 1179832381 J * tam_ ~tam@gw.nettam.com 1179832436 Q * hardwire resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1179832436 Q * lylix resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1179832436 Q * Johnnie resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1179832436 Q * tam resistance.oftc.net charm.oftc.net 1179832463 J * hardwire ~bip@rdbck-6905.palmer.mtaonline.net 1179832511 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-247-109.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1179834410 M * weeble Hello all 1179834423 M * weeble How can one increase shmmax in a vserver? 1179834434 M * daniel_hozac with 2.6.19+? 1179834493 M * weeble 2.6.17.7 1179834494 M * weeble :/ 1179834544 M * daniel_hozac same way you'd increase it on the host. 1179834549 M * daniel_hozac it's a global setting. 1179834560 M * weeble echo 536870912 > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax 1179834560 M * weeble bash: /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax: Operation not permitted 1179834579 M * weeble I'm guessing that that's a vserver restriction 1179834608 M * weeble Also, there's no /etc/sysctl.conf in the Gentoo Vserver stuff, so I'm assuming that you can't change things like that from inside the vserver 1179834609 M * daniel_hozac you have to do it on the host 1179834627 M * weeble But I only want it to apply to one vserver 1179834640 M * weeble Or is it not possible to do it before 2.6.19? 1179834775 M * daniel_hozac indeed. 1179834893 M * weeble Not quite sure what your "indeed" means :) Indeed, it's not possible to do it per vserver before 2.6.19? Another question - if I raise it on the host, all the vservers will have it increased? Does this come from their "allotted" memory limit? And are there any security risks with shared memory? 1179834941 M * daniel_hozac you can't do it per-guest before 2.61.9. 1179834945 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.19 1179834976 M * weeble OK. 1179834986 M * weeble And if I change it on the host, it changes for all guests? 1179835026 M * daniel_hozac the host has a global limit 1179835043 M * daniel_hozac it applies to all of the guests, as a total. 1179835066 M * weeble So, sorry to not understand this - if I set the SHMMAX on the host to, say, 512MB - does this mean that if one vserver grabs all of that, another vserver can't have any? 1179835074 M * daniel_hozac yup 1179835078 M * weeble Aaah. 1179835104 M * weeble That doesn't sound too good :) 1179835117 M * weeble Time for an upgrade, methinks. 1179835169 M * daniel_hozac you can apply per-guest limits. 1179835236 M * weeble Aaah, OK. So if I have 10 guests, and 512MB, I can limit 9 of the 10 to 32MB each, and let the 10th have the rest? 1179835252 M * daniel_hozac sure 1179835258 M * Hollow ensc: ping? 1179835284 M * weeble daniel_hozac, Save me some hair pulling and tell me which conf option in which file sets the guest limit :) 1179835306 M * daniel_hozac i can't remember. 1179835308 M * daniel_hozac rlimits something 1179835310 M * weeble :) 1179835321 M * weeble OK, I'll check the flower page. 1179835343 M * weeble Hollow, How're the latest Gentoo Vserver kernels and utils looking? 1179835394 M * Hollow good :) 1179835400 M * Hollow baselayout-2 works great now 1179835426 M * Hollow and gentoo has never been integrated better into util-vserver ;) 1179835426 M * weeble vserver-sources-2.2.0 - what kernel ver is that? 1179835430 M * weeble Excellent :) 1179835431 M * Hollow 2.6.20 1179835453 M * weeble Hurrah. Any gotchas upgrading from 2.6.17.7 ? 1179835460 M * Hollow probably :) 1179835465 M * weeble Oh... :/ 1179835468 M * harry lol 1179835479 M * weeble I don't like driving 200 miles if possible.. :) 1179835480 M * harry very many plobrems! live is a caveat! 1179835503 M * Hollow very much depends on your config ... 1179835515 M * Hollow but at least the new sata drivers caused some headache in the first place here 1179835533 M * weeble Aaah, I'm SCSId here. 1179835539 M * Hollow of course you still use the old ones ;) 1179835544 M * Hollow ok.. 1179835605 M * weeble Hollow, Could you look at Gentoo bug 142669, as I've been bitten by that - do you use any hardened patches in the vserver-kernel now? 1179835693 J * cruser ~chatzilla@72.242.194.162 1179835697 M * Hollow i don't use hardened :) 1179835700 M * Hollow for good reason :) 1179835713 M * weeble OK, and none of the patches that they use either? 1179835714 M * weeble :) 1179835730 M * weeble Is vserver-sources just vanilla+vserver? 1179835742 M * Hollow no grsec, selinux, pax, ssp, pie or whatever here ;) 1179835751 M * Hollow vanilla+genpatches+vserver 1179835763 M * weeble OK - I'll go for the upgrade tonight. 1179835820 M * harry good reason not to use hardened? 1179835823 M * harry what might that be? 1179835840 M * harry you trust in goodness of computer users and the internet? 1179835924 M * Hollow o, i untrust the brokeness of the hardened stuff 1179835979 M * harry hmm... that's... wel... not good 1179835995 M * harry some things, like aslr, userland deref etc... do help 1179835995 M * Hollow just search in gentoos bugzilla: " This list is too long for Bugzilla's little mind" 1179836014 M * harry mkay, there may be bugs in there, but it does help against standard exploits 1179836018 M * weeble I must say, if I could trust the Pie,SSP,PIC Grsec stuff, I'd much prefer to use it. 1179836040 M * Hollow also compilation of ssp stuff seems to fail rather randomly 1179836051 M * weeble But it does b0rk stuff. And when I rebooted a server, and found that the latest hardened-sources didn't see the onboard net cards of a server, it wasn't good. 1179836078 M * weeble Opened: 2006-08-03 <-- Good job I'm not waiting on that. 1179836097 M * harry weeble: all depends on your config 1179836099 M * harry and... as usual 1179836104 M * harry if you dont know what it's doing 1179836107 M * harry don't use it 1179836108 M * weeble harry, hang on. 1179836111 M * weeble Stop that. 1179836120 M * harry i use grsec on ALL my servers, no problems AT ALL 1179836122 M * weeble Have you read the bug? 1179836126 M * harry rul 1179836127 M * harry url 1179836138 M * weeble http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142669 1179836159 M * Hollow harry: well, grsec/selinux are probably the not-so-broken stuff in the hardened universe ;) 1179836162 M * weeble From one version of hardened-sources to another, the e100.o module stopped seeing the NICs in a DL360 1179836172 M * Hollow but ssp, pie etc is horribly broken 1179836276 M * mjt grsec does not touch network drivers 1179836294 M * mjt nor does it touch pci/etc busses 1179836302 M * weeble mjt, Maybe - I'm not saying it's a problem with grsec or the hardened stuff 1179836312 M * weeble But rather with what Gentoo are doing with their patch sets 1179836323 M * harry it's a weird bug... that's for sure 1179836328 M * weeble I could patch and compile manually, sure 1179836339 M * weeble harry, I know. And I've verified it on other DL360s 1179836342 M * mjt we had probs with e100 on DL360 G1s 1179836353 M * weeble mjt, Oh yeah? What happened? 1179836359 M * harry i don't know gentoo, nor the hardened gentoo stuf 1179836359 M * mjt those G1s were... strange boxes 1179836363 M * harry f 1179836380 M * harry true, they have quite some bios bugs ;) 1179836384 M * weeble mjt, I've got G1s, G3s, and G4s here 1179836388 M * mjt some kernels worked, some not, without any apparent reasons. 1179836400 M * mjt since G3 (or maybe G2) - everything works as expected 1179836407 M * weeble The G4s have different cards 1179836420 M * harry mjt: there is however strangeness in: non-grsec stuff works allways, grsec stuff doesn't work after 2.6.11-bleh 1179836431 M * mjt it was some general - pci/chipset/whatever - problems 1179836473 M * mjt if memory serves me right, it wasn't always able to reserve pci config space or registers or somesuch 1179836501 M * mjt you boot it, all works. yuo reboot it, and it says "unable to reserve pci... -EBUSY" 1179836519 M * mjt but it was long time ago 1179836535 M * mjt we ditched that machine finally 1179836541 M * mjt 3 of them 1179836609 M * mjt maybe it depends on the phase of Moon, maybe something else - i don't know. 1179836615 M * weeble mjt, Hah 1179836618 M * weeble Maybe 1179836628 M * mjt those G1s are bad because of the fans controls in software 1179836629 M * weeble Annoying though. 1179836636 M * weeble I much prefer to use Grsec. 1179836645 M * brcc_ do you think it is worth it using cpanel 11 on a new server? Stability is the most im,portant point.. what do you think? 1179836649 M * weeble As it's quite an "open" server 1179836650 M * brcc_ oops, wrong channel 1179836670 M * mjt you don't load their binary-only driver, and all the fans on the case are rotating at the full speed all the time, producing VERY noisy sound. 1179836697 M * weeble So I was left with the choice - stick with GRsec@2.6.11, or ditch GRsec, and get a newer kernel. 1179836731 M * weeble Or faff around, patching, rebooting, trying, etc. 1179836749 M * mjt maybe some memory layout that changed, hitting some uninitialized variable or somesuch 1179836770 M * weeble I got the dmesg output from the working boot, and from the non-working boot 1179836778 M * mjt grsec DO change memory layout 1179836791 M * weeble And pretty much the only thing that was different was the bit that said "Found eth0: blah" 1179836834 M * weeble mjt, But the memory changes that grsec make, that wouldnt' usually affect kernel drivers though, would it? 1179836839 M * mjt no need for rebooting probably - but putting tons'o'prinks into e100 sources and reloading it 1179836855 M * weeble mjt, It's compiled statically 1179836861 M * weeble So yeah, rebooting. :/ 1179836873 M * mjt so un-compile it as a module ;) 1179836883 M * weeble Also, I admin it remotely, and it's a pain getting access to reboot it when it's booted with no network. 1179836884 M * mjt *alot* simpler to debug ;) 1179836898 M * mjt DL360s have remote console 1179836905 M * weeble Not the G1 1179836916 M * weeble Or G2, whatever the one I'm talking about is. 1179836923 M * mjt at least we always have serial console ;) 1179836928 M * weeble The LIghts Out came later. 1179836941 M * mjt yeah i remember now 1179836944 M * weeble mjt - We don't. 1179836973 M * weeble Plus the people using it get annoyed when it goes down, and doesn't come back for 10 minutes. 1179836975 M * mjt in any case it's almost impossible to find the prob without attempting some debugging first 1179836993 M * mjt and since noone else's complaining.... ;) 1179836997 M * weeble mjt, but the point is, is that it's something that has changed in the Gentoo patch set. 1179837019 M * weeble mjt, that sounds remarkably like "I'm OK, screw you, Jack." 1179837043 M * weeble :) 1179837045 M * mjt i for one just can not debug it - lack of hardware to start with 1179837082 M * weeble Well, it's too late anyway - I've just moved to non-hardened on that server. :( 1179837089 M * mjt so it's either "wait for someone else to hit it", or "do it yourself" 1179837120 M * weeble Well, I thought, seeing as it was the commonest network card, on one of the most common servers, that someone else would be suffering with it. 1179837170 M * mjt by the way, do you have other such boxes? 1179837183 M * weeble A few 1179837196 M * mjt and how about others wrt this very prob? 1179837212 M * weeble I don't run hardened on them 1179837242 M * mjt that's at least a possibility... ;) 1179837285 M * mjt 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) 1179837300 M * mjt -- on one of the "hardened" our boxes. works find. 1179837301 M * mjt fine 1179837330 M * mjt it's an old box, however 1179837331 M * sid3windr I have eepro's in all my boxies 1179837363 M * mjt eepro is deprecated and probably is gone in 2.6.21 (not sure about the latter) 1179837393 M * sid3windr you mean the driver, not the card, I assume :P 1179837399 M * mjt driver, yes 1179837405 M * sid3windr the card still is an ethernet express pro 100 ;) 1179837453 M * mjt there were two lines of drivers - eepro100 and e100 (and 1000) - former written by Donald and the latter is maintained by Intel. 1179837464 M * mjt Donald Baker i mean 1179837488 M * mjt attempts to remove eepro* from kernel has been made numerous times 1179837530 M * mjt ..no, it's still present in 2.6.21 1179837546 M * sid3windr yeh 1179837555 M * sid3windr I thought there was -something- that eepro100 did that e100 didn't (yet) 1179837557 M * sid3windr hehe 1179837633 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1179838708 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU 1179840536 J * {marcz} ~marc@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-187-30.adsl.proxad.net 1179840564 Q * {marcz} 1179840761 M * weeble I've just upgraded my host, and my vservers report that they're using a lot more memory now than they did before - is this something that's known about? 1179840819 M * daniel_hozac where are they reporting that? 1179840833 M * weeble free -m in the guest 1179840846 M * daniel_hozac so you have an RSS limit set? 1179840850 M * weeble Yep 1179840850 M * daniel_hozac but yes, that's expected. 1179840863 M * daniel_hozac anonymous pages are now counted against the RSS limit too. 1179840869 M * weeble Aaah, OK 1179840874 M * daniel_hozac (which they really should've been all along) 1179840911 M * weeble And just for a layman - what are anonymous pages used for/by? 1179840925 M * daniel_hozac that's memory allocated by the programs. 1179840956 M * weeble And before, that wasn't included in the count? 1179840961 M * daniel_hozac nope. 1179840961 M * weeble Weird.. :) 1179841094 M * weeble daniel_hozac, I'm assuming that the rlimits/shmem file is the shmmax one - would that be right? 1179841511 M * weeble Aaah, ignore me - I've seen the /etc/vservers/vserver-name/sysctl/x thing 1179841624 M * harry 14:23 < weeble> I much prefer to use Grsec. 1179841633 M * harry i have grsec + vserver patches if you want ;) 1179841639 M * harry well.... they're on the site ;) 1179841683 J * zLinux_ ~zLinux@88.213.42.121 1179841744 Q * zLinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179841963 M * weeble daniel_hozac, I can't work out from the flower page how it should be configured. /sysctl/0 should be a directory, and inside it, 2 files, called setting, and value? 1179841977 M * weeble Setting contains kernel.shmmax, and value 4194304 ? 1179842010 M * weeble Cos that doesn't work. :) 1179842203 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179842576 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@80.69.34.154 1179842621 J * thessy ~thomas@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 1179843356 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-202-151.pools.arcor-ip.net 1179843366 Q * thessy Remote host closed the connection 1179843561 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1179843700 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1179843782 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-202-151.pools.arcor-ip.net 1179844148 Q * Punkie Quit: Leaving 1179846206 M * daniel_hozac weeble: hmm? 1179846749 M * cruser daniel_hozac: Hi. I am subscribed to the kernel list and have not heard from anyone about that vanilla kernel compile I did which rebooted my box. Is there a "next" step? 1179846812 M * daniel_hozac i suppose filing it in http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ is about the only other thing you could do. 1179846892 M * cruser Do you think it is worth the effort? 1179847146 M * daniel_hozac i don't know. would certainly be nice to get it fixed, but i don't think anyone really cares about the memory split... 1179847179 M * weeble daniel_hozac, I've got the 2.6.20 kernel running, and I have tried to set the SHMMAX, but I'm not sure I've read the "flower" page right. Is it a dir called sysctl/0/ with 2 files in it - setting, and value? 1179847190 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1179847316 M * cruser daniel_hozac: Okay. I will file it in the next few days. 1179847358 M * weeble daniel_hozac, Was the yes to me, or cruser ? 1179847368 M * daniel_hozac you. 1179847383 M * weeble Because it doesn't seem to show when I cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax 1179847403 M * weeble I can set the setting file to any value, and it doesn't have any effect when the guest is rebooted. 1179847450 M * daniel_hozac and you have util-vserver 0.30.213? 1179847468 M * weeble sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.212-r2 1179847470 M * weeble Aaah, no 1179847509 M * weeble Just upgrading now 1179847511 M * weeble Sorry 1179847918 P * cruser 1179847974 M * weeble daniel_hozac, Sweet, it's working. Sorry for all the questions. 1179847997 M * daniel_hozac np. i'm just glad it's working. 1179848028 M * weeble /aol Me too! :) 1179848160 Q * doener Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179848696 J * doener ~doener@host.magicwars.de 1179849042 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu 1179849477 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179849868 Q * svenk Quit: leaving 1179849881 J * svenk ~sven@213.73.89.36 1179850004 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-111-215.adsl.restena.lu 1179850057 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179850256 J * nkukard ~nkukard@dsl-240-72-67.telkomadsl.co.za 1179850260 M * nkukard mailing lists down atm? 1179850284 M * nkukard i've spun an updated vyum patch for yum 3.0.6 1179851603 J * _nkukard_ ~nkukard@dsl-240-79-152.telkomadsl.co.za 1179851929 Q * nkukard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179852348 N * kaner_ kaner 1179852611 Q * _nkukard_ Quit: Leaving 1179853567 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F3FE.dip.t-dialin.net 1179853995 J * haxier ~haxier@eu85-84-174-73.clientes.euskaltel.es 1179854228 Q * haxier Remote host closed the connection 1179854781 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1179855184 M * slack101 still dont know whuich web UI to use 1179855673 J * bzed_ ~bzed@dslb-084-059-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net 1179855705 M * slack101 whats the difference between Admin Host serves ? 1179855817 M * slack101 i thought an admin and a host server is the same thing ? 1179856048 Q * bzed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179856056 N * bzed_ bzed 1179856164 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1179857022 M * Bertl slack101: hmm, 'admin' for me is the person doing the administrational stuff, as 'host' we refer to the physical machine 'hosting' the 'guests' (virtual private servers) 1179857068 M * slack101 so? 1179857079 M * slack101 i mean 1179857081 M * slack101 i dunno 1179857095 M * slack101 Bertl: that openvps has a package for admin and a host package 1179857568 M * Bertl I guess the admin machine is a separate (unrelated) machine 1179857584 M * Bertl where you (kind of) administrate the various host 1179857586 M * Bertl +s 1179858034 M * sid3windr ah 1179858058 M * sid3windr openvps thingy has a package you run on every vserver host you have 1179858064 M * sid3windr and the webinterface/admin part is just on one machine 1179858075 M * sid3windr from which you can admin them all 1179858273 M * slack101 sid3windr: so ? thee admin goes in the guest ? 1179858288 M * slack101 which goes on the guest ? 1179858301 M * slack101 and where does the host go ? 1179858310 M * slack101 obviously the common goes everywhere 1179858426 M * sid3windr none goes on the guest 1179858434 M * sid3windr the host goes on the host 1179858437 M * sid3windr and the admin goes on the admin box. 1179858442 M * sid3windr which I guess could be a guest. 1179858443 M * sid3windr or a host. 1179858448 M * sid3windr or neither, just a box. 1179858942 J * shedii ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1179859126 J * cruser ~chatzilla@72.242.194.162 1179859232 Q * shedii 1179859523 M * cruser Hi. I cloned a guest. The guest runs but ifconfig in the host does not show the aliased eth0 for the new guest. Plus ifconfig shows the eth0:alias of the source guest that this new guest was copied from. 1179860037 M * Bertl first, try with 'ip addr ls' to get a picture of what is actually configured :) 1179860054 M * Bertl (ifconfig is very old, outdated and does not show everything) 1179860065 M * cruser okay 1179860168 M * slack101 sid3windr: so admin can go on any box ? 1179860175 M * Bertl cruser: probably the new guest uses the same interface/alias than the old one, so only the first one will show up properly 1179860250 M * cruser Bertl: Thanks. I do not have an interface/alias file 1179860280 M * Bertl actually it is /interfaces/<>/name 1179860325 M * cruser That file show the corrrect name for the new guest. 1179860343 M * Bertl i.e. you have entries in /etc/vservers//interfaces//* 1179860378 M * Bertl check that those contain what you want, and as I said, double check with 'ip addr ls' what is set and what not 1179860391 M * Bertl on guest startup, also look out for warnings 1179860618 M * cruser Bertl: Okay. Thanks. Doing a "ip ip-number" does not work for me. I am only familiar with ifconfig. 1179860684 Q * dna Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179860714 M * cruser Bertl: on start up of the guest I get "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" and "Device lo" does not exist. 1179860718 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net 1179860782 J * dna ~naucki@233-230-dsl.kielnet.net 1179861263 M * slack101 sid3windr: the box im using :) ? 1179861271 J * rfeldbauer Wuher@c-67-177-29-11.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1179861610 Q * Wuher Read error: Operation timed out 1179861705 M * slack101 i dont want to waste an ip on that hmmmmmm 1179861728 M * slack101 could i maybe have it access my real ip on port 808080 have have it redirect to a local ip ? 1179861757 M * slack101 sid3windr: have you used openvps btw ? 1179861773 M * slack101 i jus want ot know what it looks like and what it has 1179861793 M * slack101 openvcp has screen i just wanted to compare 1179863164 M * slack101 i wish someone would tell me which one of these things is better to work with :) 1179863437 M * sid3windr ah hmm, I used openvcp 1179863439 M * sid3windr *confused* 1179863445 M * sid3windr but I guess it's the same setup 1179863546 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl 1179863572 M * onox phreak``: alive? 1179863730 M * phreak`` onox: kinda 1179863872 M * slack101 http://phpfi.com/236190 1179863876 M * slack101 whats the probelem here 1179863879 M * slack101 it wont build hmmmm 1179863996 Q * nebuchadnezzar Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179863999 M * Bertl cruser: sounds like you configured the ip elsewhere 1179864013 M * onox phreak``: when are you going to release a new vsgrsec-sources? 1179864030 M * cruser Bertl: how so? 1179864062 M * cruser I set in vserver-build if that is what you mean. 1179864095 M * phreak`` onox: once harry / spender releases a new stable version of their grsec / vsgrsec patches :) 1179864099 M * slack101 heh blah this crap the people dont even configure it right 1179864244 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1179864610 M * onox I get weird "SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied" and "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied" 1179864613 M * onox in vserver 1179864645 M * phreak`` I've seen these 1179864661 M * phreak`` but I can't remember otoh what they were about 1179864672 M * phreak`` onox: did you add ip addresses to it lately ? 1179864681 M * onox ip addresses to what? 1179864708 M * onox I only changed the gateway in the /etc/conf.d/net in the master server 1179864740 M * Bertl cruser: because that is what the error message means? 1179864789 M * slack101 this thing require s apache 2 to be installed 1179865529 M * cruser Bertl: Do mean this RTNETLINK answers: File exists" error message means the eth0:alias is being defined else where? 1179865633 M * onox and my services stopped working completely 1179865655 M * onox i think my eth0 was fubar 1179865662 M * onox reboot seems to fix this partially 1179865680 A * onox shoots his stupid speedtouch modem 1179866036 M * onox phreak``: how do I generate a configure script? 1179866038 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1179866057 M * phreak`` onox: for what ? 1179866071 M * onox util-vserver trunk 1179866082 M * onox just "autoconf" or with extra special params? 1179866088 M * phreak`` *shrug* 1179866112 M * phreak`` I think so, no clue actually; you'd have to ask the dudes w/ access to that repo (that being daniel_hozac and Hollow) 1179866170 M * onox phreak``: the repo is anonymous read-only :) 1179866192 M * phreak`` onox: I know ;) I meant you should ask the devs :) 1179866209 M * phreak`` onox: I'd just put it in an ebuild and run eautoreconf :-P 1179866231 M * phreak`` means autoconf, autoheader, automake, aclocal (in the right order though) 1179866287 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1179866516 M * onox phreak``: i'm gonna try that :) 1179866644 M * onox phreak``: do I need to inherit some cool ebuild stuff? (eautoreconf does not get highlighted) 1179866670 M * phreak`` onox: you'd need autotools for that (inherit autotools that is) 1179866695 M * onox damn 1179866699 M * onox automake fails 1179866756 M * onox Makefile.am:51: `initrd_SCRIPTS' is used but `initrddir' is undefined 1179866872 M * phreak`` *shrug* don't look at me :) 1179866886 M * onox you're my master :+ 1179866905 M * onox I remembered, I used some strange autoconf 1,5 month ago when using some older svn rev 1179867039 M * slack101 oh well 1179867044 M * slack101 i cant install no openvps 1179867060 M * slack101 i would like to see what its like though 1179867248 M * Hollow onox: make -f Makefile.svn 1179867462 M * Hollow phreak``: aprospos ebuild, there is an svn ebuild for util-vserver in out overlay :P 1179867467 M * Hollow *our 1179867482 M * phreak`` *shrug* 1179867483 M * phreak`` :P 1179867626 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1179867758 M * daniel_hozac onox: why do you want to build trunk? 1179867764 M * daniel_hozac there have been no commits since 0.30.213... 1179867807 M * onox daniel_hozac: there is no development going on? :S 1179867834 M * onox Hollow: svn ebuild? :p 1179867841 M * onox which overlay exactly? 1179867854 M * daniel_hozac gentoo-vps overlay 1179867887 M * daniel_hozac and no, there hasn't been much development since it was released. hopefully that'll change soon... 1179868200 Q * phreak`` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179868235 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1179868493 P * cruser 1179868959 J * Hollow ~hollow@styx.xnull.de 1179869024 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org 1179869236 J * mire ~mire@37-168-222-85.adsl.verat.net 1179870188 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1179870581 M * slack101 well well 1179870596 M * slack101 tip to anyone who installs OpenVPS its hard as hell to nstall 1179872125 P * marcfiu 1179872327 J * Aiken ~james@ppp233-152.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net 1179872354 Q * Aiken 1179872400 J * Aiken ~james@ppp233-152.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net 1179872481 A * mjt wonders how difficult is to install hell... 1179872574 M * sid3windr apt-get install hell 1179872580 M * sid3windr hmm, or atleast emerge hell 1179872584 M * sid3windr I bet gentoo has a package for it :> 1179872757 Q * onox Quit: leaving 1179872976 Q * besonen Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179873183 M * slack101 its hard to install that thing 1179873188 M * slack101 im about to give up 1179873257 M * slack101 i will be dissapointed if this shit sucks 1179873266 M * slack101 i hate how it requries apache man i cat stand that 1179873270 M * slack101 i never use apache 1179873290 M * daniel_hozac yeah, requiring a webserver for a web interface is just too much! 1179873299 M * slack101 lol 1179873310 M * slack101 requireing a specific one is 1179873312 M * slack101 ^^ 1179873322 M * slack101 lighttpd is great 1179873337 M * slack101 i might just use vcp but 1179873347 M * slack101 i jus wana see how it looks and operates 1179873959 J * besonen ~besonen@dsl-db.pacinfo.com 1179874094 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1179874520 Q * besonen Read error: Connection reset by peer 1179874619 J * besonen_ ~besonen@dsl-db.pacinfo.com 1179876233 M * slack101 jus got a demo of it from anther site 1179876244 M * slack101 not feeling openVPS openvcp it will be 1179876882 M * slack101 openvps tries to make it advanced but doesnt offer that much 1179876891 M * slack101 opevcp is straight to the poin 1179876891 M * slack101 t