1178582756 J * goon ~goon@211.95.166.57
1178582791 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving
1178583000 J * DarkGlow ~someone@modemcable108.201-56-74.mc.videotron.ca
1178583080 M * Bertl_oO welcome goon! DarkGlow!
1178583093 M * DarkGlow Hi all, I have a question regarding partitions : can I create LVM volumes as such : vserver1-slash vserver-tmp vserver-var and mount them in the vserver instead of having 1 big partition inside my vserver ?
1178583191 M * DarkGlow all I could find on partitions was related to quotas... not exactly what Im looking for I think.
1178583192 M * Bertl_oO sure you can ...
1178583213 M * Bertl_oO the main question is wheter you really want to do that ...
1178583244 M * Bertl_oO i.e. what do you expect to gain from e.g. vserver-tmp?
1178583308 M * DarkGlow same as with a system with seperate tmp,var,slash partitions I guess... var for example could fill up with logs... if it fills it my vserver, my DB could crash severly no ?
1178583362 M * DarkGlow tmp can be mounted with defferent rights that other partitions too, like no exec...
1178583396 M * DarkGlow Im open to suggestions :-) Im just starting to use vserver... very cool stuff
1178583400 Q * goon Read error: Connection reset by peer
1178583412 M * Bertl_oO yes, e.g. /tmp inside a guest is mounted as tmpfs
1178583421 M * Bertl_oO (at least that is the default :)
1178583439 M * DarkGlow yes, but it uses ram in this case right ?
1178583450 M * Bertl_oO how many 'guests' do you plan to put on your 'host'?
1178583465 M * DarkGlow some apps need more /tmp than I can offer with ram.
1178583487 M * Bertl_oO and how will they look like, e.g. very different ones, or many similar ones?
1178583495 M * DarkGlow not sure yet... I have a dual 4-core box. not enough ram yet but it should go to 16G soon...
1178583514 M * Bertl_oO ah, so you plan for quite a number of guests then :)
1178583522 M * DarkGlow :-)
1178583539 M * Bertl_oO lycos is running 150+ guests on dual cpu machines with 4GB IIRC
1178583563 M * DarkGlow nice :-) 
1178583573 M * Bertl_oO so it looks like you are either aiming for cpu bound apps like java or for quite a number of guests
1178583613 M * DarkGlow for now, some individual web services with their own apache/mysql.
1178583632 M * Bertl_oO anyway, if you have several similar guests, then you probably want to use what we call 'unification'
1178583659 M * DarkGlow yes I read about that too... does it only save disk space ? or cpu,etc... ?
1178583666 M * Bertl_oO which is basically hard links between the guests (for identical files) which get copied on demand (CoW link breaking)
1178583686 M * Bertl_oO it saves quite a lot of resources actually, not just disk space
1178583702 M * Bertl_oO actually the disk space is nowadays the cheapest resource
1178583728 M * DarkGlow so doing unification not only saves disk.... Ill have to re-read that part ;-)
1178583747 M * Bertl_oO for a hard linked file, you get only one inode cache entry, and thus, only a single mapping, regardless how often it is used
1178583765 M * Bertl_oO i.e. you save quite a lot of memory
1178583803 M * DarkGlow ohh. so disk caching is a lot more efficient... nice
1178583810 M * DarkGlow makes sense..
1178583835 M * Bertl_oO yes, especially as typical distros consist of 90% shareable files
1178583907 M * DarkGlow I guess my question then was more how do I make sure logs don't fill up my vserver (like on a real server with a real /var) and how to have a real /tmp with diff perms on it.
1178583951 M * Bertl_oO as I said, the default is to put /tmp on tmpfs with a 16MB limit
1178583968 M * Bertl_oO this is typically fine from the memory PoV
1178583995 M * Bertl_oO but yes, if you like you can put whatever you want on a separate filesystem
1178584011 M * Bertl_oO and you can have per filesystem per guest limits too
1178584030 M * Bertl_oO i.e. you can make a vserver-var and share it between all guests
1178584039 M * Bertl_oO setting different limits for each of them
1178584067 M * DarkGlow nice... what would they each see in this case ? would they have a common /var or just a /var on the same part ?
1178584086 M * Bertl_oO if you do it like this:
1178584112 M * Bertl_oO /mnt/vserver-var/guest{A,B,C,...}
1178584134 M * Bertl_oO then --bind mount the dirs to /vservers/guest{A,B,C,...}/var
1178584183 M * Bertl_oO then each guest will only see their subdir, and you can limit the space per guest (and total disk space showed will be adjusted for this partition)
1178584191 M * Bertl_oO *shown
1178584227 M * DarkGlow limiting space per guest requires quotas and changing the context of the files 
1178584234 M * DarkGlow ?
1178584267 M * Bertl_oO it requires file tagging, yes, so you need to mount the partition with tagxid
1178584278 M * Bertl_oO it doesn't use the normal quota system though
1178584284 M * DarkGlow k... (concepts are starting to sync in ;-)
1178584310 M * Bertl_oO basically the kernel keeps track when files of a context are created or deleted
1178584329 M * Bertl_oO and adjusts the offset of the disk limit/space
1178584380 M * DarkGlow I use Debian Etch... I used newvserver command to create vservers... I guess Ill have to use a more manual approach since I will probably need to mount partitions and do other stuff before I debootstrap the systems right ?
1178584409 M * Bertl_oO newvserver is just a wrapper around the very powerful util-vserver tools
1178584463 M * DarkGlow got it. Now, will I be able to monitor the disk space available to each context on a given part ? to trigger alarms if they are almost full ?
1178584516 M * Bertl_oO yes, there are interfaces to query all the kernel values
1178584577 M * DarkGlow ok so a couple of nagios scripts should do the trick.
1178584586 M * Bertl_oO I'd say so
1178584604 M * Bertl_oO you probably just want to monitor that every 5-15 minutes or so
1178584633 M * Bertl_oO but even if you decide to do it every 3 seconds, it is not really a problem :)
1178584640 M * DarkGlow hehe
1178584650 M * Bertl_oO the values are present in the kernel at any time
1178584686 M * DarkGlow sounds very promessing :-) I am going to have fun tomorrow at work :-)
1178584748 M * Bertl_oO k, if you need anything (Linux-VServer related) feel free to ask, sooner or later somebody will help you ...
1178584760 M * DarkGlow well, thanks a LOT :-), you just saved me a day of reading/testing ;-) 
1178584937 M * Bertl_oO you're welcome!
1178585375 Q * DarkGlow 
1178587467 J * independence independen@blinkenshell.org
1178587689 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is
1178589084 M * brcc_ Night bertl
1178589142 J * besonen_ ~besonen@dsl-db.pacinfo.com
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1178591153 M * Bertl_oO night everyone!
1178591162 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1178591744 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178591857 M * neuralis Bertl_zZ: already disappeared or still around by chance?
1178592015 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
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1178594633 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4E87C.dip.t-dialin.net
1178596057 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.mn.comcast.net
1178596066 J * stefani_ ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.mn.comcast.net
1178596449 J * Xepher ~xepher@208.117.40.191
1178596482 M * Xepher anyone around that could perhaps help me figure out a problem?
1178596522 M * doener if you don't mind telling us about your problem
1178596524 M * Xepher any network service I run on my vserver can't be accessed from that machine
1178596547 M * Xepher that is, I run dns, and any query from that machine will just timeout
1178596561 M * Xepher if I query it from another physical machine on my network, it works just fine
1178596562 M * doener how do you test that?
1178596574 M * Xepher I've tried a webserver too, running apache
1178596599 M * Xepher tried telnet from the vserver to port 80
1178596602 M * Xepher tried by name, and by IP
1178596619 M * Xepher works just fine from another physical machine
1178596628 M * Xepher but from the host, or inside the vserver, it doesn't connect... just times out
1178596666 P * stefani_ parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1178596671 M * doener could you paste the output of "ip a", "ip r" and "netstat -tnlp" on http://paste.linux-vserver.org?
1178596686 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1178596691 M * Xepher from inside the vserver or on the host?
1178596708 M * doener (obscure the ip addresses as required)
1178596711 M * doener vserver
1178596731 M * doener hm, actually, for the "ip" part, the host might be better
1178596785 M * Xepher what package is "ip" part of? I don't have it yet
1178596791 M * doener iproute
1178596829 M * Xepher ah... I've got it on the host, not inside the vserver
1178597031 M * Xepher okay, it's pasted
1178597140 M * doener and neither on the host, nor on the guest does "telnet xxx 80" work?
1178597161 M * doener did you try "telnet 127.0.0.1 80" in the guest yet?
1178597246 M * Xepher in the guest, it doesn't have access to the lo adapter
1178597255 M * Xepher so it doesn't work
1178597286 M * Xepher and no, telnet doesn't work from host OR guest, but just fine from another physical machine
1178597298 M * Xepher same with a simple ping even
1178597304 M * Xepher I can ping from another workstation
1178597305 M * doener 127.0.0.1 is rewritten within vservers
1178597315 M * Xepher but the guest/host can't ping themselves or each other
1178597348 M * doener hm, could you also paste "ip r s t 0"?
1178597349 M * Xepher when I try 127.0.0.1 I get "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Invalid argument"
1178597373 M * doener which kernel on which arch is that btw?
1178597403 M * Xepher done... paste updated with new bit
1178597411 M * doener (the command means "ip route show table 0" btw, I should stop abbreviating so much...)
1178597438 M * Xepher 2.6.20-vs2.3.0.11-gentoo
1178597450 M * Xepher amd64 arch
1178597458 M * Xepher core2 duo in the kernel
1178597481 M * doener hm, the local routing table looks broken, no 127.0.0.1 at all, is lo up?
1178597534 M * Xepher no, it's not
1178597549 M * Xepher it never has come up... I honestly thought that was some "security" feature :-p
1178597612 M * Xepher I get "SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied; SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied" if I try and bring lo up manually
1178597619 M * doener on the host?
1178597628 M * Xepher no, it's up on the host
1178597640 M * Xepher err
1178597647 M * doener your post doesn't say so
1178597648 M * Xepher it WAS last time I looked
1178597650 M * Xepher it's not now
1178597656 M * Xepher lemme try bringing it up again
1178597708 M * doener loopback not being available probably breaks all host-local traffic (never tried that)
1178597730 M * Xepher I'm betting you're right
1178597743 M * doener it's responsible for all local traffic, not just 127.0.0.1
1178597799 M * Xepher yeah, it works now
1178597804 M * doener great :)
1178597806 M * Xepher is lo supposed to show up in the host at all?
1178597814 M * Xepher err
1178597816 M * Xepher guest
1178597827 A * Xepher has been too long in front of a monitor :-)
1178597842 M * Xepher that is, should "ping localhost" work from inside the guest?
1178597844 M * doener not sure how that is currently handled, IIRC it was hidden in the past, but it's still available
1178597875 M * doener not sure about that, might work with the full 127.0.0.1 rewriting, IIRC it failed in older versions
1178597875 M * Xepher telnet localhost 80 gets me to my guest apache (from guest) but ping localhost fails
1178597918 M * Xepher well, now I just have to go find why my init scripts decided to stop bringing up net.lo
1178597939 M * Xepher thanks for your help, I knew it had to be something stupidly obvious that I was missing
1178597943 M * doener good luck :)
1178597945 M * doener you're welcome
1178597964 M * doener (and I didn't immediately see it in the "ip a" output either)
1178598068 M * Xepher This is a brand new machine, so I've been troubleshooting dozens of little problems with it lately... and I wouldn't be surprised if half the weird software quirks I ran into weren't because of the missing lo
1178598096 M * doener quite likely
1178598284 M * Xepher well, thanks again, and g'night!
1178598296 Q * Xepher Quit: squirrel induced cable-fade
1178599255 M * independence /proc/virtual/<xid>/sched has two numbers for fillrate and interval, what does the second number mean?
1178599822 M * daniel_hozac it's the idle time values.
1178600057 Q * waldi charon.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1178600057 Q * zLinux charon.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1178600057 Q * ||Cobra|| charon.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1178600057 Q * lilalinux charon.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1178600070 M * independence Okay, so I don't have to care about them since I'm using sched_hard?
1178600590 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1178600598 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1178600681 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.63.82
1178600715 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.3
1178600756 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1178601920 M * daniel_hozac independence: that depends on your kernel configuration. did you enable idle time advancement?
1178601979 M * daniel_hozac (obviously also depends on whether you want the guest to get a part of the idle time or not)
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1178608645 J * jesse_ ~wenchien@59-105-176-11.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1178608720 N * jesse_ wenchien
1178608965 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-104-005.pools.arcor-ip.net
1178609172 J * dna ~naucki@44-195-dsl.kielnet.net
1178612280 J * thessy WsX6lgiT@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
1178613691 J * ml ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1178613707 Q * ml 
1178613756 J * ml ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1178615064 J * sharkjaw ~gab@216-211-89.0503.adsl.tele2.no
1178615554 J * weeble ~weeble@81.52.144.1
1178615615 M * weeble Hey all. Long time, no speak
1178615656 M * daniel_hozac hello
1178615886 M * weeble Hello Daniel-san
1178615894 M * weeble What's new in the world of vserver?
1178615914 M * daniel_hozac 2.2.0 of the kernel patch and util-vserver 0.30.213.
1178616008 M * weeble :) I can see that :) I meant any new features, etc?
1178616067 M * daniel_hozac yes, both of those come with quite a few new features.
1178616105 M * weeble I think I'm still running 2.6.16.24-vs2.1.1rc22-ipv6
1178616119 M * weeble Is ipv6 in mainline now? Or still a patch?
1178616242 M * daniel_hozac still a patch.
1178616248 M * daniel_hozac but it should be merged into 2.3 RSN.
1178616264 M * weeble OK. Well, the actual thing I came in to ask was... :)
1178616304 M * weeble My Gentoo installs are starting to tell me that I need to change to a newer profile
1178616321 M * weeble And currently, I use non nptl
1178616341 M * weeble What is the current standing with vserver + nptl - is it 100% fine?
1178616342 J * bavi foobear@193.30.161.200
1178616346 M * bavi loool
1178616352 M * bavi daniel_hozac: hey
1178616361 M * bavi Good day to all you vserverz
1178616380 M * daniel_hozac weeble: yes, why wouldn't it be?
1178616415 M * bavi I have a tiny little question: when I start a vserver and use lets say dummy0 as iface, the vserver automatically adds a route for it
1178616421 M * bavi can i tell him not to 
1178616421 M * bavi ?
1178616427 M * weeble daniel_hozac, No idea, just wanted to check. I thought I read a while ago that there were problems with NPTL + vserver, but maybe I'm mistaken.
1178616428 M * bavi daniel_hozac: hey lord
1178616439 M * daniel_hozac weeble: generally, anything that works with mainline will work with vserver, anything else is a bug.
1178616449 M * weeble daniel_hozac, OK :)
1178616457 M * daniel_hozac bavi: hmm?
1178616481 M * bavi daniel_hozac: can you plz help ?
1178616577 M * daniel_hozac only if you describe your problem. you don't want a route for the network you've specified for the guest, or what?
1178616663 M * bavi yeah
1178616695 M * bavi once u add an address on an interface in linux the system add a route for it, i dont want it to happend
1178616739 M * Loki|muh what sense makes the ip without a route?
1178616767 M * bavi makes a lot of sense if you dont want it to send anything
1178616774 M * bavi just answer locally to the box
1178617073 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1178617201 M * Loki|muh ah okay, so why don't you take 255.255.255.255 as netmask?
1178618039 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann
1178619727 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34
1178622801 J * phedny_ ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
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1178624282 J * cruser ~chatzilla@72.242.194.162
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1178626865 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
1178626948 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1178626952 M * Bertl morning folks!
1178626959 M * Bertl neuralis: pong!
1178626963 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl!
1178627020 M * Bertl hey daniel_hozac! how's going?
1178627072 M * daniel_hozac quite alright. you?
1178627087 M * renihs morning Bertl 
1178627206 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: quite okay ... tx
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1178627455 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it
1178627535 J * DavidS ~david@85.125.165.34
1178627568 M * Bertl wb ema! DavidS!
1178627576 M * DavidS Bertl: !
1178627711 M * ema hey Bertl :)
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1178627811 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.222.55
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1178627900 M * mattzerah daniel_hozac: ping
1178627974 M * daniel_hozac pong
1178628055 M * mattzerah hey :)
1178628060 M * mattzerah thankyou for your advice a few weeks ago
1178628068 M * mattzerah i have a working X setup in my guest :)
1178628091 M * mattzerah i'm going to add it to the wiki probably this weekend (going to go over the steps from the start again, cause i've changed many things so i want to clean up the process)
1178628306 J * chand ~chand@vau75-3-82-224-128-66.fbx.proxad.net
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1178628404 M * mattzerah :)
1178628410 M * mattzerah anyway, though i'de say thanx
1178628412 M * mattzerah off to bed now
1178628415 M * mattzerah :)
1178628420 N * mattzerah mattzerah_zzz
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1178629241 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de
1178630338 M * cruser Hi. I am trying to figure what is giving me the "guest is messing with procfs". Anybody have any tips on how to find out?
1178630459 M * Rich_Estill morning
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1178631046 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net
1178631067 Q * chand Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178631658 M * Bertl cruser: well, some process inside the guest is trying to access a hidden entry (most likely)
1178631713 J * chand ~chand@vau75-3-82-224-128-66.fbx.proxad.net
1178631748 M * cruser Bertl: As a first step I thought it could be one of the daemons the guest is running.
1178631777 M * cruser Bertl: Are there some that should not be run on a guest?
1178631815 M * cruser Like if have xfs, iptables, messagebus, sysstat
1178631907 M * Bertl no, it most likey just a weir tool or script which tries to change some system settings or so
1178631936 M * Bertl the simplest way to track that down would be to start the processes manually and/or look for crontab entries/time matches
1178632007 M * cruser Bertl: Thanks, I will have a play.
1178632124 Q * sharkjaw Quit: Leaving
1178632538 M * bavi Bertl: Do you love me as I love you !?!?!
1178632553 M * bavi There is no excuse in here, we are both gays
1178632558 M * bavi can we say It out loud ?
1178632664 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1178632865 M * Bertl bavi: sorry, I'm hetero :)
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1178633926 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1178633935 M * Rich_Estill Weird.  
1178633941 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178633942 M * Bertl hmm?
1178634016 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1178634329 J * spoi ~asdf@p54AD1757.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1178634337 M * Bertl welcome spoi!
1178634496 Q * ml Quit: leaving
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1178634637 M * spoi hi
1178634873 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1178635281 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1178635676 Q * ensc Read error: Connection reset by peer
1178638106 M * yang Hey Bertl, did you maybe connect over New York wireless, when you were in the USA?
1178638546 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
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1178638656 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
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1178640136 J * stefani ~stefani@flute.radonc.washington.edu
1178640959 M * Bertl yang: no, we actually tried to get some connection on the airport, but they wanted to charge something like 20 USD, which was simply too much for half an hour (which we had left :)
1178640975 M * Bertl wb stefani!
1178640986 M * stefani hola/salut.
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1178641145 M * yang Bertl: next time, you might want to use "ozyman" DNS
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1178641671 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-111-111.adsl.restena.lu
1178641720 J * janq ~chatzilla@vpn-80-034.rhrk.uni-kl.de
1178641731 M * janq Hi at all
1178641746 M * janq does anybody speak german
1178641776 M * daniel_hozac definitely, but the channel language is English.
1178641808 M * janq ok, let's try in english :-)
1178641840 M * janq we're a hosting company using linux-vserver and have got a problem with rlimits
1178641866 M * janq Can anybody explain what is the difference between "as" and "rss"
1178641964 M * daniel_hozac have you already seen http://linux-vserver.org/Memory_Limits?
1178641992 M * janq yes, we have already seen this page, but the function isn't quite clear
1178642203 M * svenk janq: you can also find explanations of RSS and AS on the setrlimit man page
1178642209 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1178642302 M * janq where can I find this page
1178642315 M * svenk man setrlimit
1178642333 M * janq doesn't work
1178642352 M * janq Debian-31-sarge-32-minimal:~# man setrlimit 
1178642353 M * janq No manual entry for setrlimit  
1178642382 M * daniel_hozac you have a very strange system, but that's Debian for you...
1178642400 M * daniel_hozac anywho, AS doesn't correspond to any physical resource. it's just a sum of all the mappings.
1178642420 M * daniel_hozac while RSS is basically the amount of pages the guest has in RAM.
1178642447 M * svenk janq: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/setrlimit.2.html
1178642485 M * janq ok, thank you very much.
1178642507 M * janq in detail, we're restircting the rss value for customers up to 128 MB 
1178642517 M * janq what is a good value for the as
1178642530 M * daniel_hozac personally, i'm not sure it makes sense to limit AS.
1178642581 M * doener daniel_hozac: probably no manpages-e
1178642588 M * doener /-e/-dev installed/
1178642593 M * daniel_hozac but if you feel the need to, something like 10 x RSS would be a good start.
1178642605 M * daniel_hozac doener: yeah, i guess so. just weird to not have man pages :)
1178642635 M * doener well, if you don't do development, the -dev ones can probably be omitted just fine
1178642670 M * janq ok, I will test this now without any as value set.
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1178644231 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1178644741 M * derjohn bonbons, till now my kernel with the larger percpu memory runs without any troubles.
1178644990 M * meandtheshell I've forgotten how to pass a prefix command to a subsequent command on the CLI with bash e.g. I want to get `cd ..'  executed twice but I don't want to do `cd .. RET cd .. RET' but `<the prefix I forgot> cd .. RET' 
1178645045 M * meandtheshell and no, I am talking about cd ../../ or !! or && :-)
1178645098 A * meandtheshell should have make a note on his cheat sheet :-/
1178645284 M * Bertl meandtheshell: maybe cd ..;!# ?
1178645304 M * meandtheshell Bert: let me check 
1178645359 M * meandtheshell what does !# do again?
1178645372 M * Bertl repeat the entire command line so far
1178645397 M * meandtheshell ah no wounder !# alone just created a new line :)
1178645429 M * meandtheshell ok - that works
1178645449 M * meandtheshell but what if I want to say repeat cd .. seven times?
1178645467 M * meandtheshell I know this is possible with that prefix thingy ...
1178645484 M * Bertl maybe, I always use a for loop for that
1178645523 M * meandtheshell sure, but the prefix is a fraction to type compared to a loop
1178645528 M * meandtheshell hm ...
1178645539 M * meandtheshell damn - why do humans forget things
1178645540 M * Bertl well, if you figure, please let me know :)
1178645548 M * meandtheshell :)
1178645555 M * meandtheshell I will!
1178645592 M * meandtheshell by the way - why does your nick not show up in my status bar - just within the chat window ... hm ... strange
1178645623 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later
1178645628 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1178645637 M * meandtheshell bye
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1178645986 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85-124-36-241.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
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1178646036 M * meandtheshel1 ha! - pidgins body bounce made Bert invisible - not that it should cause the opposite but ... :)
1178646230 M * arachnist WTF!?
1178646299 M * meandtheshel1 s/body/budy/
1178647221 J * Darkglow ~pdesnoyer@208.71.184.41
1178647306 M * Darkglow Hi, im trying to vserver build a new vserver guest in a directory where I have premounted a /tmp on a LVM disk. But it conplains that the directory needs to be empty to install a new vserver... 
1178647884 M * Darkglow can you vhashify even if the vservers are not in the same filesystem ?
1178648965 M * waldi no
1178648989 M * Darkglow no.... of course... they don;t have the same inode...
1178650008 M * dafrog i have tried to use tar, rsync/ssh trying to transfer a vserver from guest A to B. always preserving permissions of course. everything seems ok and it will start, apache, cron, other basic things will run. but mysql always fails. and its always an unable to connect to localhost, cannot create/connect to mysql.sock. when i look at /var/run/mysqld/ where the .sock lives, the permissions are always hosed. what gives?
1178650047 M * ex dafrog, are you using --numeric-ids rsync option?
1178650118 M * ex without this option, rsync can change uid/gid of guest filesystem and map it to destination host uids/gids
1178650127 M * dafrog i tried two things, the first was this one
1178650130 M * dafrog rsync -ea "ssh -l user -i /<path to key>" -r /source user@<target-machine>:/destination/
1178650152 M * dafrog the second thing i thought of was cd /var/lib/vservers/foo && tar cf - . | ssh -l root@<target> "( cd /var/lib/vservers/foo && tar xpf - )"
1178650170 M * ex rsync -av --delete --numeric-ids works fine for me
1178650209 M * ex also, destination user should be root to have access to setting user/groups and permissions
1178650237 M * dafrog and yeah, its always uid/gid info getting screwy. i did make sure the mysql uid/gid stuff was the same on both systems, but i still need to specify that?
1178650645 M * derjohn ex, dafrog: from the host side , pls use -H in the rsync line (just in case there is some kinde of hardlink ... )
1178650743 M * ex derjohn, thx for tip :)
1178651005 Q * spoi 
1178651307 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178651478 J * awk ~bongo@vc-196-207-45-254.3g.vodacom.co.za
1178651488 M * awk hi, hmm, kernel-patch-vserver on ubuntu dapper
1178651511 M * awk is this patched and stable enough?
1178651816 M * daniel_hozac no.
1178651833 M * awk dapper is supported till 2011
1178651840 M * awk so I wanted a way to utalize their kernel
1178651844 M * awk what is older yes, but patched
1178651847 M * daniel_hozac good luck.
1178651848 M * awk with kernel-patch-vserver
1178651857 M * awk in what sense?
1178651864 M * daniel_hozac kernel-patch-vserver doesn't have any patches for the Ubuntu kernels whatsoever, AFAIK.
1178651869 M * daniel_hozac it's just a rebuild of the Debian package.
1178651874 M * daniel_hozac (which isn't maintained)
1178651889 M * awk isn't maintained
1178651939 M * awk hmm, ok
1178651939 M * awk ca you explain a bit how the patch works
1178651939 M * awk all it does it patches what ever kernel you are currently using?
1178651957 M * awk with the vserver patches, eg: capabilities, etc
1178652208 Q * gerrit Remote host closed the connection
1178652272 M * awk hmm, i was told that after the import of the packages from debian ubuntu supports the packages
1178652376 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net
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1178652745 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1178653462 Q * independence Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178653581 M * bonbons derjohn: had no time yet to analyse...
1178654717 Q * awk Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1178655260 M * brcc_ Daniel, you there ?
1178655886 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1178656780 J * independence independen@blinkenshell.org
1178656802 M * derjohn bonbons, n.p. ... i just wanted to report
1178656878 M * bonbons did you compare percpu memory usage for vanilla, vserver-only, vserver+ipv6 and complete patch sets?
1178657641 J * rel ~slutmuck@152.105.167.92
1178657646 M * rel lol you clowns
1178657649 M * rel you FUCKING clowns
1178657654 M * rel now you've done it
1178657658 M * rel you've FUCKED IT ALL UP
1178657709 M * daniel_hozac oh really? why's that?
1178657751 M * rel don't play the innocent with me you little bag of whore
1178657757 M * rel you know exactly what you've done
1178657929 P * cruser 
1178657983 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@72.76-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1178658033 M * rel oh here he is
1178658036 M * rel the ringleader
1178658044 M * rel happy with yourself, are we?
1178658052 M * rel ktwilight, is that the name you're using now eh?
1178658079 M * ktwilight ?
1178658103 M * rel you piece of shit
1178658111 M * rel you don't even know what you've done do you
1178658116 M * rel you have NO FUCKING IDEA
1178658194 M * ktwilight i do actually.
1178658207 M * rel O RLY?
1178658233 M * ktwilight yup
1178658239 M * rel SRSLY?
1178658244 M * ktwilight you have no clue do you
1178658247 M * ktwilight see, you're confused.
1178658258 M * rel tbh i only caught the end of a conversation
1178658262 M * rel so a little confused yeh
1178658274 M * ktwilight ah k
1178658291 M * ktwilight it's best not to know, so don't worry about your confusion. ;)
1178658339 M * mjt wtf
1178658392 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1178658406 M * rel thats right run away
1178658409 M * rel RUN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH
1178658417 M * mjt .ignore rel
1178658418 M * mjt er
1178658434 M * rel we both know you won't do it.
1178658456 P * Darkglow Konversation terminated!
1178658601 J * Aiken ~james@121.45.222.137
1178658606 Q * Aiken 
1178658662 J * Aiken ~james@ppp222-137.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net
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1178658898 M * brcc_  /ignore
1178658900 M * brcc_ :)
1178660626 M * doener good crack I guess
1178660650 M * blizz could be poisoned doener
1178661034 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1178661866 M * Solver but which truth, that's the question.  There are so many to choose from :)
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1178662205 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1178662256 M * blizz !truth or truth? ;-)
1178662687 J * mire ~mire@168-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1178662930 M * Solver :)
1178662956 M * blizz of course there's also the fuzzy trouth: fuzzy_truth = floating_value * truth
1178662981 M * blizz </boredom>
1178666921 J * toidinamai_ ~frank@i59F76418.versanet.de
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