1177113654 M * newz2000 Have you guys seen documented someone who has done this before? Something to use as an example or howto?
1177114178 M * newz2000 another problem with the separate filesystems (this is just sinking in) is that you lose unification
1177114194 Q * mjt Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177114284 M * newz2000 does the filesystem used for the quotas have to be root mounted for the vserver, or could you have /vservers/srv{1,2,3} and for each of those, have a separate fs mounted as /vservers/srv{1,2,3}/home that has quotas enabled?
1177114407 J * dev-0 ~TizianoMu@gw.ptr-80-238-131-13.customer.ch.netstream.com
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1177114575 M * daniel_hozac newz2000: separate fs works too.
1177114668 M * newz2000 I'm used to older 2.4 vserver, so I don't know whats changed. But before, iirc, vserver wasn't really aware of the underlying filesystems.
1177114696 M * newz2000 I'm trying to come up with something that would allow unification, quotas and a configuration that could be re-arranged later if needed.
1177115745 M * bzed daniel_hozac: ext2/3/4 is resizeable
1177115763 M * bzed daniel_hozac: not a big problem. jsut make sure you use lvm or so to be able to resize the underlying device
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1177117730 M * Bertl_vV evening folks!
1177117757 M * Bertl_vV daniel_hozac: everything finalized with princeton?
1177118015 M * tanjix hi bertl!
1177118041 M * Bertl_vV hey tanjix! how's going?
1177118057 M * tanjix Bertl_vV: everything fine, thx!
1177118079 M * tanjix Bertl_vV: are you a little bit familiar with debian? 
1177118199 M * tanjix Bertl_vV: maybe you can give me a hint or anything.... as you maybe know, the debian etch repository includes a precompiled kernel for vserver usage. but this kernel does only support RAM p to 4 GB - i need exaclty this kernel with 64 GB support. Do you know how to do so?
1177118207 M * Bertl_vV well, somewhat .. thus I usually stay with mandrake :)
1177118252 M * Bertl_vV tanjix: some of the debian folks probablyhave a good advice on that
1177118272 M * Bertl_vV tanjix: but what you probably want is a 64bit kernel, which doesn't have those issues at all
1177118309 M * tanjix hmm but those do not include the vserver patches
1177118332 M * Bertl_vV I think there should be kernels for x86_64 which support Linux-VServer ...
1177118341 M * tanjix no :(
1177118455 M * Bertl_vV http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.20-1-vserver-amd64 ?
1177118594 M * tanjix hmm
1177118598 M * tanjix i will give it a try
1177118600 M * tanjix thank!
1177118603 M * tanjix thanks! :)
1177118606 M * Bertl_vV you're weclome!
1177118644 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-122-123.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1177118817 M * tanjix this kernel cannot apply for my machine
1177118850 M * tanjix getting error that i use i386 and cannot use amd64 architecture
1177119013 M * Bertl_vV couly you upload 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' somewhere, e.g. paste.linux-vserver.org?
1177119068 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1538
1177119092 M * tanjix problem is, that this server has 4 gb ram, but only showing 3 with this kernel :(
1177119162 M * Bertl_vV fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
1177119182 M * Bertl_vV this machine is perfectly capable of 64bit kernel and userspace
1177119206 M * Bertl_vV i.e. I'd suggest to install an amd64 host system there, even if you have only 32bit guests
1177119216 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1539
1177119252 M * Bertl_vV yeah, I guess you have to 'upgrade' or reinstall with debian for amd64 to do that
1177119274 M * Bertl_vV but at least in theory, booting the 64bit kernel should work fine too
1177119283 M * tanjix hmm, do you know how i could do an upgrade?
1177119358 M * Bertl_vV no, sorry, no idea ... but one way to 'reinstall' the machine would be to setaside some disk space, and basically debootstrap an amd64 system there, then change the bootloader entries and boot that instead
1177119478 Q * Gennady2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177119711 M * tanjix hmmm.. i think i will use a debian 4.0 etch amd64 netinstall cd - let's hope that it works :)
1177119726 M * Bertl_vV that should do the trick too
1177119760 M * tanjix bad that there is no bigmem kernel in the etch repo, this would be muach easier :)
1177119769 M * tanjix much
1177119777 M * Bertl_vV well, not really, it would be much slower :)
1177119784 M * tanjix mh why?
1177119796 M * Bertl_vV because of the mapping ..
1177119816 M * Bertl_vV 32bit archs are not designed for more than 4GB address space
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1177122492 J * mstrobert ~mstrobert@wkstn.wycliffe.ca
1177122503 M * Bertl_vV wb mstrobert!
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1177123311 J * Aiken ~james@121.45.222.137
1177123557 M * Bertl_vV hey Aiken! how's going?
1177123679 M * Aiken good
1177123681 M * Aiken now I am home
1177123691 A * Aiken hates saturday morning shopping
1177123701 M * Aiken how is life over there?
1177123790 M * Bertl_vV quite fine actually ...
1177124926 Q * newz2000 Quit: If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
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1177148719 J * neonx_ ~node@d57-2-134.home.cgocable.net
1177149184 M * Dorowan Hello!
1177149209 M * Dorowan I'm stuck and need help setting up a new ubuntu guest on a gentoo host.
1177149220 M * Dorowan I have another guest that was build some time ago on another host that run quite well. 
1177149266 M * Dorowan Anyone able to give me some guidance?
1177149325 M * Dorowan I tried: # vserver scalix build --context 23143 -m debootstrap --hostname scalix --interface eth0:192.168.23.143/16 -- -d breezy -m ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/ubuntu/
1177149498 M * Dorowan I use util-vserver-0.30.212-r2
1177149586 Q * phedny Quit: kernel upgrade
1177149737 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl
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1177150496 J * gnutered ~tony@235.170.233.220.exetel.com.au
1177150532 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: and what's the problem?
1177150568 M * Dorowan Hello daniel!
1177150581 M * Dorowan At the end of the debootstraping I get:
1177150586 M * Dorowan "I: Base system installed successfully."
1177150596 M * gnutered Hey folks, I want to set up a vserver as a print server to share my USB printer.  I can't quite figure it out.  I've seen this post on the mailing list: http://www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/archives/200610/0053.html but the penny hasn't dropped.  Can anyone shed some light?
1177150597 M * Dorowan "/bin/rm: cannot remove directory `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/scalix/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy"
1177150607 M * Dorowan "rm: cannot remove directory `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/scalix/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy"
1177150675 M * Dorowan On #gentoo-vserver "Hollow" said I could use the --no-dev-sanity option but this option is not rcognized by the vserver-command
1177150711 M * Dorowan `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/scalix/' is the link to '/vserver/scalix'
1177150739 M * Dorowan On my host '/vserver' is a link to '/data/vserver/'
1177150801 M * daniel_hozac it would be better to modify the /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase symlink to move the guests...
1177150821 M * daniel_hozac but, that should be solved in recent util-vserver rcs.
1177150845 M * daniel_hozac also, that shouldn't be a real problem.
1177150850 M * daniel_hozac the guest should still have been created.
1177150884 M * Dorowan Could it be a problem that I linked /data/vserver to /vserver with "ln -s"?
1177150886 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: where is it that the penny gets stuck?
1177150897 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1177150907 M * gnutered I don't quite grok vprocunhide, and how to use it effectively
1177150910 M * daniel_hozac but that's not related to that warning.
1177150965 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: i don't think you can effectively use vprocunhide to get usbfs mounted.
1177150985 M * sladen gnutered: you somehow need to create devices and ensure that they are visible within the vserver
1177151028 M * daniel_hozac sladen: libusb/usbfs is special, as they don't use device nodes.
1177151078 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: you've seen http://www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/archives/200610/0054.html, yes?
1177151085 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: right - I got the impression from the above thread that vprocunhide was the way to go
1177151146 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: yes, but that was the penny sticking moment.  Do I run these commands in the host?  How do these commands tell which context / guest I want to have access to USB devices?
1177151162 M * daniel_hozac they don't.
1177151207 M * daniel_hozac you run them on the host, which will unhide /proc/bus/usb, and you can then mount usbfs on /proc/bus/usb.
1177151223 M * gnutered unhide USB for all guests?
1177151232 M * daniel_hozac the part that gives access to the USB devices is adding the mount to /etc/vservers/<guest>/fstab.
1177151250 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1177151259 M * gnutered OK, I'll give it a go now
1177151295 M * Dorowan By the way: Should I add to the wiki, that LIRC has to be patched in order to work on a host with a vserver-kernel?
1177151308 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: it does? why?
1177151344 M * Dorowan It's the same problem you get with the OpenAFS (? - not really sure) modules.
1177151382 M * daniel_hozac do you have the patch/logs/whatever?
1177151389 M * Dorowan When you try to load the LIRC-modules you get a message about unresolved symbols
1177151404 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: which ones?
1177151424 M * daniel_hozac Bertl_vV: not quite finalized, still have to submit the application on monday...
1177151425 M * Dorowan Not sure anymore 'cause I already changed my LIRC sources.
1177151438 M * daniel_hozac how?
1177151441 M * daniel_hozac from what to what?
1177151461 M * Dorowan But you have to include #include <linux/vs_cvirt.h>  in the sources of "lirc_dev.c"
1177151476 M * Dorowan I made no patch for this single line
1177151476 M * daniel_hozac umm, what kernel are you using?
1177151500 M * Dorowan  2.6.17-vs2.0.2.1
1177151511 M * Dorowan but it was the same on 2.6.15
1177151514 M * daniel_hozac okay, really old stuff.
1177151524 M * daniel_hozac that's been fixed for months.
1177151537 M * Dorowan It's the default kernel in gentoo for vserver
1177151562 M * daniel_hozac that's unfortunate.
1177151571 M * Dorowan By the way, I just tried to make a debian guest instead of a ubuntu guest.
1177151589 M * Dorowan I used: vserver scalix build --context 23143 -m debootstrap --hostname scalix --interface eth0:192.168.23.143/24 -- -d sarge
1177151617 M * Dorowan This worked without problems
1177151643 M * Dorowan The sarge-guest is up and running.
1177151657 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: Doesn't appear to have worked.  I did the vnamespace commands as per the post, and added the following to the fstab on the guest:
1177151660 M * daniel_hozac do the error messages when building Ubuntu really cause problems?
1177151678 M * gnutered usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0
1177151680 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: /etc/vservers/<guest>/fstab, right? not the /etc/fstab inside the guest.
1177151689 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: correct
1177151694 M * daniel_hozac and you restarted the guest?
1177151700 M * gnutered restarted the vserver, and I have no /proc/usb
1177151702 M * gnutered sorry
1177151705 M * gnutered /proc/bus
1177151707 M * Dorowan @daniel: Yes they do. The guest won't start
1177151716 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: why not?
1177151731 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: ah, i guess you'll have to unhide /proc/bus as well.
1177151745 M * gnutered k, will tru
1177151746 M * gnutered try
1177151755 M * Dorowan Can't tell right now. I have to try to build a new one and try it again.
1177151849 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: great! I can see the printer in /proc/bus/usb/devices
1177151875 M * gnutered so I assume that's it?  Do I have to do anything to persist this across reboots of the physical server?
1177151897 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1177151914 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: yeah to which question?
1177151921 M * daniel_hozac both ;)
1177151948 M * daniel_hozac adding the steps to /etc/vservers/<guest>/scripts/pre-start seems like a good idea.
1177152015 M * gnutered ahh, good idea.  If I'm doing this, including a umount of /proc/bus/usb, will that mess with any other guests using USB devices (in the future)?
1177152035 M * gnutered sorry, "this" being the vnamespace scriptlet
1177152119 M * daniel_hozac (note that putting it in a script will require modifying it to use bash -c "..." etc.)
1177152144 M * gnutered yup, ta
1177152150 M * daniel_hozac no, vnamespace -n creates a new namespace precisely so that it _doesn't_ interfere.
1177152162 M * daniel_hozac and if anything, it would be interfering with the host.
1177152220 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177152290 M * gnutered if it does that in a new namespace, how does that affect my existing guests' namespace?
1177152350 M * daniel_hozac you're only creating the new namespace and unmounting usbfs to get access to /proc/bus/usb on procfs. it's the setattr that does all the magic.
1177152401 M * gnutered so when I umount from the new namespace, it only umounts it there, but that is enough to allow setattr to work?
1177152407 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1177152463 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1177152483 M * gnutered OK, I might put that into the wiki
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1177152780 M * Dorowan @daniel_hozac: I just finished debootstraping the ubuntu guest with the already known error message.
1177152802 J * goon ~goon@211.95.166.57
1177152809 M * Dorowan When I try to start it it says "Can not find a vserver-setup at '/etc/vservers/alfresco/'." so it is a real show-stopper.
1177152903 Q * goon 
1177153392 M * doener Dorowan: sounds like udev is activated by the debootstrap script.
1177153436 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: you might want to try util-vserver 0.30.213-rc6 then, which has a fix for that.
1177153467 M * Dorowan @doener: Shouldn't the option "--exclude=udev" be the solution in that case? I saw s.th. about that in the wiki.
1177153506 M * doener never heard of that option, but sounds good ;)
1177153619 M * Dorowan It's in the FAQ and there is the info: "[UPDATE] Currently there are problems in building breezy under unclear circumstances, which seems to have to do with udev. If the above didnt work, try:"
1177153642 M * Dorowan The problem is that it does not help. I have the same results
1177153655 M * daniel_hozac so, try 0.30.213-rc6.
1177153720 M * doener btw, isn't Feisty out? I remember some flood of Ubuntu news ;)
1177153720 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: Does this seem right? http://linux-vserver.org/USB_Devices
1177153731 M * gnutered Note, I haven't tested the bash -c part yet
1177153742 M * gnutered doener: yes feisty is out'
1177153782 M * Dorowan @daniel: I am going to try 0.30.213-rc6
1177153801 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: looks good, thanks!
1177153888 M * Dorowan @daniel: You said it might be a problem that I used "ln -s /data/vserver /vserver" should I just leave the s-option away?
1177153909 M * daniel_hozac given that you can't hardlink directories, no.
1177153914 M * gnutered whoops, forgot to credit sources... done now
1177153923 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: thanks for your help
1177153938 M * Dorowan @daniel: So I should leave it as it is, right?
1177153968 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: what you should've done was to modify the /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase symlink.
1177153992 M * Dorowan Ah, OK. I will do that. Thanks!
1177155305 P * Dorowan "I have to reboot."
1177155447 J * Dorowan ~Dorowan@port-87-234-79-92.dynamic.qsc.de
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1177156645 J * mjt ~mjt@nat.corpit.ru
1177157320 J * SoftIce ~phil@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za
1177157340 M * SoftIce hi! anyone have any news if ubuntu feisty is going to actually have support for vservers?
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1177158573 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177158742 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1177158793 M * gnutered SoftIce: no, it doesn't appear so
1177158854 M * gnutered if you're keen, you could try running the Debian Etch kernel with feisty userspace
1177159032 M * SoftIce gnutered: what about backward kernel, like the edgy one here
1177159042 M * SoftIce http://dpkg.u32.net/ubuntu/ ?
1177159081 M * Dorowan Or you could hope that Uniklu or u32 will come up with a feisty package (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VServer)
1177159100 M * gnutered sure, would probably work.  Your issues are more with the support that the packager will provide
1177159146 M * SoftIce i actually starting to hate ubuntu :)
1177159154 M * SoftIce its very nice for basic stuff
1177159158 M * SoftIce apt this and that
1177159170 M * SoftIce do you know how frustrating just building a clean kernel is?
1177159176 M * SoftIce it just doesn't work
1177159186 M * SoftIce let me move that kernel to another linux box it boots up great
1177159231 M * gnutered SoftIce: IMO they've tidied up the the kernel build process a lot with Edgy - making it easier for us mere mortals to replicate the build process.  Not that I've done it for a production environment though
1177159238 M * gnutered Kernel is voodoo
1177159251 A * gnutered toffs hat to all kernel hackers
1177159322 M * gnutered what version of kernel are you "clean" building
1177159344 M * SoftIce 2.19 with grsec
1177159348 M * SoftIce dam hell
1177159355 M * SoftIce 90% of things start to seg fault
1177159371 M * SoftIce cant even use any vserver tools
1177159379 M * SoftIce even if I disable grsec
1177159393 M * SoftIce if i compile from source or use util-vserver packages from ubuntu they seg fault
1177159405 M * SoftIce and this has only been an issue on feisty
1177159411 M * gnutered disable grsec at boot time, or compile time?
1177159416 M * SoftIce so something along the way has changed
1177159425 M * SoftIce gnutered: compile, its compiled only with a few pax features
1177159433 M * SoftIce but grsec itself totally disabled at compile even
1177159464 M * gnutered have you tried on any other distro that is built for 2.6.20?
1177159472 M * SoftIce at that time i couldnt gdb 
1177159484 M * SoftIce but i should look again
1177159486 M * gnutered I wonder if something major changed in the kernel pre .20?
1177159488 M * SoftIce gnutered: no ?
1177159495 M * SoftIce thats why I don't like this 'built for kernel' shit
1177159509 M * SoftIce I prefure compiling and not pre-compiled
1177159544 M * SoftIce im going to backup all my ubuntu boxes im maintaining and move right back to dapper
1177159553 M * gnutered not me.  I'd rather leave kernel-space to the gurus.  
1177159568 M * SoftIce and not touch the kernel at this time
1177159586 M * SoftIce rather use some other OS like gentoo
1177159595 M * SoftIce if i want to continue using linux at all
1177159602 M * SoftIce right now im actually quite over it!
1177159616 M * SoftIce the only thing i like about linux is vserver :)
1177159626 M * SoftIce otherwise id much prefure using bsd anyday 
1177159657 M * gnutered did you know Debian Etch has a supported kernel with vserver+xen built in?
1177159665 M * SoftIce nope ?
1177159674 M * SoftIce how long is debian etch supported for?
1177159690 M * gnutered you could use that on your host, and use vservers merrily in your guests (probably even feisty), and even *BSD under Xen
1177159692 M * SoftIce before one is forced to upgrade to continue getting supported packages
1177159716 M * SoftIce i don't much about xen is it similar to uml ?
1177159721 M * gnutered until some time after the next release.  Seeing as they are ~2-3 years between releases, you should be fine for a while
1177159796 M * gnutered Xen is kinda halfway between vservers and VMware - it virtualises the kernel (you get a diff kernel for each domU ("guest")) and network virtualisation
1177159834 M * gnutered but it requires "cooperation" from the guest (the guest kernels must be Xen-aware), *or* your CPU must be VT-enabled
1177159837 M * daniel_hozac hmm? i'd say Xen and VMware are in the same category.
1177159859 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac so its like uml and vserver ?
1177159865 M * SoftIce a bit of both
1177159878 M * daniel_hozac no.
1177159881 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: no, VMware virtualises hardware more - it presents a virtual video card, virtual devices and so on
1177159888 M * gnutered it's more like QEMU
1177159891 M * gnutered (VMware)
1177159898 M * daniel_hozac yes, i'm well aware of that.
1177159912 M * daniel_hozac but IIRC, as does Xen.
1177159933 M * daniel_hozac it certainly isn't sharing the video card with the host.
1177159952 J * bragon ~bragon@ACaen-152-1-15-94.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr
1177159960 M * bragon Hello *
1177159966 M * bragon i have a question
1177159975 M * gnutered don't think so - not video cards.  For video IIRC you need to set up VNC and maybe Xvfb.
1177159986 M * gnutered not really sure how it works for Windows though
1177159997 M * bragon i just compiled a 2.6.20.4 with ipv6 patch, and i enable proc security in my kernel
1177160008 M * bragon but when i want to start sshd in a vserver
1177160019 M * bragon cat: proc/kmsg: Operation not permitted
1177160037 M * bragon i don't manage to start syslog-ng and sshd :(
1177160045 M * gnutered anyway, SoftIce: I am running a box on Etch, but tend to use dapper in the guests.  I *did* use the vserver+xen kernel, but am now just using the vserver kernel
1177160048 M * daniel_hozac bragon: why on earth does sshd want to use /proc/kmsg?
1177160055 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac :)
1177160059 M * daniel_hozac hey matti
1177160084 M * gnutered (I need to do this so I can run VMware for the rare times I or my wife need Windows)
1177160087 M * SoftIce I was just about to ask that
1177160088 M * SoftIce :)
1177160129 M * bragon daniel_hozac http://paste.geeknode.org/8ah7kk-826
1177160147 M * gnutered but when I was using the vs+x kernel, it was nice - there are some nice Xen scripts for Debian that make creating guests easy
1177160171 M * gnutered I only wish Xen+VMware (or Xen+VirtualBox) would run.  But oh well
1177160172 M * Dorowan @daniel: My problem about building the ubuntu guest was solved by updating util-vserver.
1177160178 M * daniel_hozac bragon: what distro is that?
1177160181 M * Dorowan Thanks!
1177160185 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: ok, good.
1177160198 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: hmm? why do you need VMware if you have Xen?
1177160263 M * bragon daniel_hozac a gentoo
1177160279 M * daniel_hozac bragon: and you used the stage4 from Hollow, right?
1177160291 M * bragon daniel_hozac i used a stage4 yep
1177160298 M * daniel_hozac Hollow's stage4?
1177160310 M * bragon daniel_hozac i follow the linux-vserver.org tutorial
1177160317 M * bragon so it's the good stage4 i guess
1177160340 M * bragon daniel_hozac: this stage4-amd64-20070322.tar.bz2
1177160346 M * daniel_hozac that sounds odd, it should be fixed.
1177160418 M * bragon it's not the good stage4 ?
1177160433 M * daniel_hozac it should be.
1177160445 M * daniel_hozac i guess you might have to wait for Hollow.
1177160451 M * bragon :(
1177160463 M * bragon my server must be ready for 27 april
1177160476 M * bragon because my old serveur will be stop by my provider at this date
1177160478 M * bragon :-)
1177160496 M * gnutered SoftIce: note, though, the most annoying thing is that any guest that uses NPTL will have trouble running on any of your VS or X guests.
1177160505 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: my server is not VT-enabled
1177160527 M * bragon Hollow are you here ?
1177160618 M * bragon daniel_hozac no idea of my issues ?
1177160759 J * SzekiXP SzekiXP@coyote.loom.hu
1177160787 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: hows fedora core 7 ?
1177160791 M * SoftIce do you likeit
1177160975 M * SzekiXP daniel_hozac: quota and vserver again. Maybe I miss something: I got Operation not permitted if I run quotaon -a. It is important to mount the FS before running vrsetup? Originally I want to mount it when vserver starts, form /etc/vservers/alpha/fstab.
1177161236 M * SzekiXP deniel_hozac: This is the steps, what I am trying now: 1. vrsetup -d /dev/vroot0 2. e2fsck -p /dev/XYZ 3. rm -f /var/lib/vservers/alpha/dev/XYZ 4. vrsetup /dev/vroot0 /dev/XYZ 5. cp -fa /dev/vroot0 /var/lib/vservers/alpha/dev/XYZ 6. vserver alpha start 7. repquota -aug reports quota usage 8. quotaon -a say Operation not permitted...
1177161270 M * SzekiXP deniel_hozac: the vserver mounts the partition now, not me, before the vrsetup.
1177161299 M * SzekiXP daniel_hozac: so I run vrsetup on an unmounted device (partition).
1177161623 M * phedny "Under normal conditions, the kernel will always enable DMA support for any and all drives and controllers that support the feature (which is basically everything that shouldn't be in a museum by now)."
1177161931 M * SoftIce who here is using gentoo with vserver?
1177161934 M * SoftIce and do they like it
1177161953 M * SoftIce gnutered: you running any dapper boxes as the host?
1177162092 M * SoftIce someone tell me, what linux OS in their opiniun has the most up to date packages?
1177162101 M * SoftIce gentoo ?
1177162474 M * gnutered SoftIce: yes, I have another two boxes running dapper on the host, with the Unilku kernel.  The uniklu kernel is out of date, so I'm keen to migrate the host to etch
1177162546 M * gnutered one is in a co-lo, and it costs to access or power cycle, so ironically, I'm going to test the upgrade procedure in a VMware box that models the physical box
1177162897 M * gnutered SoftIce: you could track the new debian unstable repo (unstable != crash)
1177162914 M * gnutered that's a reasonable mix of up-to-date + support
1177162980 Q * SoftIce Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177162993 M * gnutered daniel_hozac: still struggling with the USB printer.  I can see the printer with lsusb.  Do I need to do anything in the guest to get it into a /dev node?
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1177163043 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@125-225-98-66.dynamic.hinet.net
1177163598 M * daniel_hozac SzekiXP: that should be fine.
1177163627 M * daniel_hozac SzekiXP: have you given the guest the quota_ctl ccap?
1177163694 M * daniel_hozac gnutered: if all you wanted was a device node, you'd just have to copy the appropriate one from the host...
1177163727 M * gnutered would udev be a more generic way to go?
1177163863 M * daniel_hozac depends on your definition of generic, i guess.
1177163896 M * gnutered :-) so in the future if there are more USB devices, it would be more "plug and play"
1177163969 M * gnutered update: trying to get udev running means adding lots of capabilities.  However, it's working now, and now adds the dev node automatically.  However, now NX to my vserver desktop isn't working, so I can't use that to use KDE'
1177163973 M * gnutered KDE's admin console
1177163988 Q * arachnist Read error: Connection reset by peer
1177164040 M * daniel_hozac well, uh, you really don't want to run udev on the guest.
1177164065 M * daniel_hozac seems much saner to add some rules on the host to also create devices on the guest, IMHO.
1177164198 M * gnutered rules, being more pre-start script stuff?
1177164308 M * daniel_hozac well, i meant more along the lines of /etc/udev/ type stuff.
1177164338 M * gnutered so that it creates a node in /vservers/blah/dev/* as well as /dev/* ?
1177164376 M * daniel_hozac right.
1177164405 M * gnutered so what's the harm in runnin udev in a guest?
1177164469 M * daniel_hozac well, the guest can do whatever it wants.
1177164504 M * gnutered will running two udevs break device availability on the host?  E.g. USB disks?
1177164516 M * daniel_hozac i doubt it, but i'm not sure.
1177164563 M * gnutered I wonder: if udev on the host can/will create the dev node on the guest, is there any need for the whole USB setattr thing?
1177164577 M * daniel_hozac if you're not using libusb, no.
1177164610 M * gnutered right, but cups talking to a USB printer will use libusb I assume
1177164687 M * daniel_hozac well, no idea.
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1177166342 J * mattzerah_ ~matt@121.50.222.55
1177166783 M * SzekiXP denial_hozac: Ahhh, gut the error, I think. All the how-tos say echo "quota-ctl" to /etc/vserver/XYZ/ccapabilites, after i have revritten it to ccapabilities, quotaon say no errors.
1177166813 M * daniel_hozac good!
1177167087 M * bragon in order to host bind in a vserver witch context can i use to build a good vserver ?
1177167568 M * SzekiXP daniel_hozac: Thanks for the help!
1177167595 M * Dorowan I am back again with new (?) problems...
1177167600 M * daniel_hozac bragon: what?
1177167604 M * SzekiXP denial_hozac: where to send the beer ? :)
1177167623 M * Dorowan I think I have a common one. Maybe someone can pointme to a solution I did not find.
1177167662 M * Dorowan I have problems upgrading my guest from ubuntu breezy to dapper because of the initscripts
1177167711 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: oh?
1177167726 M * daniel_hozac Dorowan: i take it this is an old guest?
1177167769 M * Dorowan Not really an old guest. On my Gentoo box I can only build a breezy guest.
1177167781 M * Dorowan ... and upgrad - well try to - later.
1177167798 M * daniel_hozac why didn't you build a dapper guest initially?
1177167841 M * Dorowan I had a fresh breezy guest and die apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, changed th sources.list ... and then dist-upgraded
1177167858 M * daniel_hozac you'd want to run the apt-get update after changing sources.list.
1177167872 M * Dorowan @daniel_hozac: Because I do not know how?
1177167903 M * daniel_hozac just point util-vserver at Ubuntu's debootstrap.
1177167911 M * Dorowan Sure. I did the normal way of dist-upgrading.
1177167982 M * Dorowan Hm, how can this be done? I am not really familiar with debootstraping.
1177168011 M * daniel_hozac e.g. mkdir -p /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/debootstrap; echo http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.2ubuntu3_all.deb > /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/debootstrap/uri
1177168236 M * Dorowan Ok, I did that. Shouldn't "vserver test build --context 23111 -m debootstrap --hostname test --interface eth0:192.168.23.111/24 -- -d dapper" work after that?
1177168256 M * daniel_hozac uyp.
1177168272 M * Dorowan 'cause I get the response: "E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/dapper"
1177168311 M * daniel_hozac hmm? do you have debootstrap installed on your host?
1177168316 M * Dorowan breezy, etch, hoary, hoary.buildd, potato, sarge, sarge.buildd,
1177168316 M * Dorowan sarge.fakechroot, sid, warty, warty.buildd, woody, woody.buildd
1177168330 M * Dorowan breezy, etch, hoary, hoary.buildd, potato, sarge, sarge.buildd,
1177168330 M * Dorowan sarge.fakechroot, sid, warty, warty.buildd, woody, woody.buildd
1177168334 M * Dorowan breezy, etch, hoary, hoary.buildd, potato, sarge, sarge.buildd,
1177168334 M * Dorowan sarge.fakechroot, sid, warty, warty.buildd, woody, woody.buildd
1177168345 M * Dorowan Sorry, problem with my client
1177168356 M * Dorowan I am not used to IRC anymore
1177168391 M * Dorowan Those were the scripts I have on my Gentoo box
1177168403 M * daniel_hozac you might want to remove the debootstrap package.
1177168421 M * daniel_hozac otherwise util-vserver will just use that.
1177168440 M * daniel_hozac rather than downloading it from the specified URL.
1177168524 M * Dorowan Just did that. Looks alright. Thank you! I think I should write this down in the gentoo wiki.
1177168601 M * Dorowan My main reason to use vserver was to have a gentoo host for things that are closely related to hardware and ubuntu or debian guests for web related things.
1177168632 M * Dorowan ... but on most distributions they only explain how to make a guest that is the same distri as the host.
1177168706 M * daniel_hozac we intend to work on that.
1177168810 M * Dorowan I think I should talk to hollow about adding a passage about guest with other distris to the gentoo article
1177168832 J * johnny ~urr@ip70-160-117-211.hr.hr.cox.net
1177168834 J * boci^ ~boci@pool-1834.adsl.interware.hu
1177168842 Q * SzekiXP 
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1177169059 J * mire ~mire@133-169-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1177169351 M * johnny hi
1177169354 J * flyper ~felipe@81.202.10.179.dyn.user.ono.com
1177169362 M * johnny once again my server isn't happy on reboot :)
1177169367 M * johnny err vserver
1177169380 M * flyper hi!
1177169537 M * flyper i have some strange problem with bind9 under a vserver machine, bin9 run ok and are correctly configured but it only respond to tcp request and ignore all the udp traffic
1177169575 M * daniel_hozac flyper: what kernel?
1177169582 M * flyper i am  turnning crazy googling but i can't found the problem
1177169584 M * daniel_hozac johnny: hmm?
1177169600 M * flyper 2.6.20-1-vserver-686 #1 SMP 
1177169611 M * flyper its a debian etch machine
1177169622 M * johnny yesterday my server was rebooted and now the vserver will not come back on perfectly
1177169633 M * johnny it won't start ssh or many services, and i get odd errors
1177169648 M * johnny twain init.d # /etc/init.d/sshd start
1177169648 M * johnny  * Starting sshd ...
1177169648 M * johnny start-stop-daemon: open pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid: No such file or directory         
1177169656 M * gnutered flyper: FYI, there are later debian etch kernels.  Not sure if that's the cause of your problems
1177169672 M * Hollow johnny: stop the vserver, rm /var/lib/init.d/ inside, and try again
1177169683 M * johnny aha.. now it speaks :)
1177169705 M * johnny Hollow, i'm using 1.13 btw, due to not being able to get 1.12 to work anymore
1177169707 M * johnny howdy :)
1177169716 M * johnny that's not recent tho
1177169725 M * johnny that was like 4 months ago..
1177169728 A * johnny tries to remember
1177169738 M * johnny it's the only way i made my vserver work again last time
1177169752 M * Hollow yeah, the whole situation is a mess, i have to test baselayout-2 (baselayout-1.13 is now baselayout-2) and fix the remaining vserver issues...
1177169768 M * johnny what are the remaining issues?
1177169776 M * Hollow i don't know, i didn't test it yet ;)
1177169780 M * johnny oh :)
1177169785 M * johnny well i'd be willing to help you
1177169794 M * johnny since i'm already stuck and broken anyways
1177169811 M * johnny so what's the deal with /lib/rcscripts/init.d vs /var/lib/init.d ?
1177169831 M * Hollow hm, i'm not even sure which one is used nowadays .. ;)
1177169839 M * johnny so uhmm
1177169839 M * Hollow i think the former
1177169845 M * Hollow if >= 1.12
1177169851 M * Hollow the latter if < 1.12
1177169852 M * johnny should i try to remove /var/lib/init.d altogethr ?
1177169861 M * Hollow yes, you can completely remove it
1177169867 M * flyper gnutered: nop, i have the last version from unstable branch, linux-image-2.6.20-1-vserver-686 - Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
1177169868 M * Hollow both of them
1177169895 M * flyper debian etch came with 2.6.18 but i need the 2.6.20 by hardware compatibility
1177169912 M * gnutered flyper: sorry, I misread.  You're (probably) right
1177169926 M * johnny so it will recreate it ?
1177169944 M * Hollow yep
1177169954 M * johnny ok.. i'm manually killing it now
1177169973 M * johnny let me know if you want to to try out -2
1177170049 M * flyper i recompiled bind9 but everything goes equeals
1177170144 M * johnny ok.. so it didn't like it if i kill that init.d dir :)
1177170574 M * flyper any recomendation to continue investigation with the bind9 issues?
1177170612 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: surely /var/lib/init.d and /lib/rcscripts/init.d aren't the same?
1177170638 M * johnny Hollow, thanks.. my vserver is almost alive again
1177170645 M * johnny metalog failed to start, but otherwise it's up
1177170652 M * johnny now i just have to fix courier
1177170654 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: they are the same, just location changed between versions
1177170656 M * daniel_hozac flyper: have you tried a vanilla kernel with the patch?
1177170666 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: that's... awful.
1177170694 M * Hollow well, /var was a bad choice, since it might be mounted read-only during boot, therefore the change
1177170726 M * Hollow actually, i is mounted via tmpfs on host systems now
1177170726 M * flyper no daniel, i can't because i need at least 2.6.20 kernel to handle my sata2 disk
1177170736 M * Hollow but this is not possible from inside
1177170743 M * daniel_hozac flyper: umm, vanilla has 2.6.20 too you know.
1177170769 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: /var should never be read-only.
1177170850 M * flyper daniel_hozac: i didn't know that, where i can found more information about vanilla kernels?
1177170863 M * johnny kernel.org
1177170863 M * johnny lol
1177170887 M * johnny vanilla kernels are the one put out on kernel.org by linus
1177170948 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: that's just what i remember ..
1177170999 M * flyper ok ok but i need to compile and path those kernel to run properly with vserver doesn't it?
1177171008 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1177171038 Q * matti Server closed connection
1177171042 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net
1177171055 M * flyper there isn't any configuration over the vserver machine that i could configure
1177171132 M * flyper i prefere use compiled kernel because my machine it's on a CPD and i doesn't like recompile the kernel of that machines
1177171149 M * daniel_hozac CPD?
1177171239 M * flyper uhmm isp data center
1177171258 M * flyper in spanish "centro de proceso de datos" sorry
1177171424 M * daniel_hozac well, i don't even know what kernel you're running now.
1177171474 M * flyper daniel_hozac: 2.6.20-1-vserver-686 
1177171490 M * flyper from debian package
1177171491 M * daniel_hozac yeah, but that means nothing.
1177171592 M * flyper uhmm why?
1177171606 M * daniel_hozac because it tells me nothing about what version it is.
1177171639 M * daniel_hozac even the changelog doesn't say anything about the vserver version.
1177171721 M * daniel_hozac so, i have no way to investigate. i guess you could try using nc and see if that works.
1177171746 M * flyper wait, i'm looking for that information
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1177172071 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-127-023.pools.arcor-ip.net
1177172140 J * flyper ~felipe@81.202.10.179.dyn.user.ono.com
1177174106 P * gnutered 
1177174313 Q * flyper Quit: flyper
1177174325 J * flyper ~felipe@81.202.10.179.dyn.user.ono.com
1177174366 M * flyper anyone knows how to rapair it?
1177174410 M * daniel_hozac how to repair what?
1177174441 M * flyper http://pastie.caboo.se/55575
1177174443 M * flyper that
1177174463 M * flyper daniel_hazac: i can repair the problem with the dns
1177174471 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1177174480 M * flyper i delete de vps and reinstall all
1177174486 M * flyper and now run
1177174487 M * daniel_hozac and now it works?
1177174493 M * flyper yep
1177174505 M * flyper but i don't know where was the problem
1177174529 M * daniel_hozac about your new error message, just ignore it.
1177174538 M * daniel_hozac it simply means that your guest's stop scripts kill itself.
1177174552 M * flyper i think that not a problem with vserver, should be a configuration mistake
1177174567 M * flyper oks thanks again by all
1177174572 M * flyper ;-)
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1177175548 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw
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1177179961 M * Bertl_vV daniel_hozac: okay, if you need anything, I will be in the office (princeton) on tuesday ... i.e.just let me know
1177179979 M * daniel_hozac okay, cool.
1177180121 Q * baldy Read error: Operation timed out
1177180155 Q * johnny Quit: Ex-Chat
1177181513 P * Dorowan "Time to meet some people in real life. Thanks for your help!"
1177181834 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1177182445 J * DuckMaster ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org
1177182673 Q * duckx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1177184888 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: are you around?
1177184892 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1177184897 M * tanjix nice :)
1177184899 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1540
1177184910 M * tanjix do you have an idea on that?
1177184925 M * tanjix the problem is, that the network interface is active for a few seconds and then drops
1177184943 M * daniel_hozac what distro is that?
1177184953 M * tanjix debian
1177184979 M * daniel_hozac that's odd. the rc script should do the right thing there.
1177185031 M * tanjix hm there is no /etc/rc.d/rc
1177185035 M * tanjix in this vserver?
1177185035 M * daniel_hozac might want to do echo exit 0 >> /etc/init.d/rc
1177185076 M * daniel_hozac not sure if that'll fix it though, but i think it should.
1177185081 M * tanjix i will try
1177185153 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1541
1177185158 M * tanjix and what is the problem here? :(
1177185187 M * tanjix the other issue is solves with that "exit 0" thanks!
1177185248 M * daniel_hozac interesting.
1177185279 M * daniel_hozac looks like something is changing the runlevel.
1177185289 M * daniel_hozac or you have the halt script configured for your default runlevel.
1177185374 M * tanjix was this regarding the 1540 or 1541 pastebin thing? :)
1177185392 M * daniel_hozac 1541.
1177185399 M * daniel_hozac 1540 was solved, no?
1177185437 M * tanjix 1540 is solved, yeah - thanks again. but what has runlevel to do with an error about netmask and networking? or do i missunderstand?
1177185465 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1177185477 M * daniel_hozac 1541 is a guest that stops right after starting it, no?
1177185520 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1177185554 M * tanjix 1541 is the shutown of a guest which was running
1177185577 M * daniel_hozac oh, sorry.
1177185581 M * daniel_hozac i completely misread that...
1177185684 M * daniel_hozac what does tail /etc/vservers/vs4624/interfaces/*/* output?
1177185725 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1542
1177185768 M * daniel_hozac mv /etc/vservers/vs4624/interfaces/0/{mask,prefix}
1177185840 M * tanjix hmm what's that doing?
1177185870 M * daniel_hozac not sure if that's what's causing your problems, but 32 is not a mask, it's a prefix.
1177185971 M * tanjix hmm i did that command and the error disappered npw when stopping this guest
1177185990 M * tanjix just this one is remaining:
1177185991 M * tanjix [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
1177186032 M * daniel_hozac i'm not quite sure where that might be coming from.
1177186037 M * daniel_hozac you only get it on stop?
1177186086 M * tanjix as far as i can see this now, yes - shall i test a restart?
1177186106 M * daniel_hozac well, if it's just on stop, i imagine echo >> /etc/fstab inside the guest would do the trick.
1177186183 M * tanjix hm no
1177186187 M * tanjix still there
1177186226 M * daniel_hozac really?
1177186230 M * daniel_hozac that's interesting...
1177186265 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1543
1177186269 M * tanjix see yourself
1177186543 J * oliwel ~chatzilla@ppp-62-245-163-250.dynamic.mnet-online.de
1177186565 M * daniel_hozac well, i guess you could try adding it to the other fstabs.
1177186569 M * daniel_hozac see which one does the trick.
1177186584 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. /etc/vservers/<guest>/fstab* and /etc/fstab on the host)
1177186604 M * oliwel Hi
1177186627 M * oliwel knockknock
1177186629 M * oliwel Hi daniel_hozac 
1177186655 M * daniel_hozac hello
1177186674 M * oliwel daniel_hozac: a general question - is the Mailinglist down ?
1177186695 M * oliwel I postet two msg yesterday and didnt receive any mails since 2 or 3 days 
1177186705 M * oliwel  and I hav aurgent problem :(
1177186719 M * oliwel have an urgent problem....
1177186728 M * oliwel keyboard is a bit unresponsive....
1177186756 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i received mail as recently as this morning.
1177186762 M * oliwel hm
1177186779 M * oliwel did you rememer if there was one from me about probls with fsat/mounts
1177186787 M * oliwel fstab....
1177186799 M * oliwel grml - wireeless keyboard on low battery
1177186841 M * daniel_hozac no.
1177186910 M * oliwel Hmm - seems like Thunderbird 2.0 is not that stable - all list messages are in teh spam folder but actually I cant find my own - seems they didnt make it....
1177186925 M * oliwel hm but perhaps you have an idea on the problem
1177186934 M * oliwel you have a minute ?
1177186954 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1177186957 M * oliwel ok
1177186977 M * oliwel I upgrade kernel / util yesterday to recent 2.20 stable from an older 2.6.15 - 2.1 devel
1177187001 M * oliwel I have a data partition in my guests that is a sole hysical partiton per guest
1177187011 M * oliwel this one os mounted via the guests fstab 
1177187028 M * oliwel so like "/dev/drbb/mail /data ext3 auto "
1177187036 M * oliwel nothing spectacular
1177187039 M * oliwel Now the Problem
1177187057 M * oliwel the old setup showed me the mounted disk when I used a call to
1177187066 M * oliwel "vnamespace -e mail mount"
1177187070 M * oliwel the new one doesnt
1177187078 M * daniel_hozac you sure vnamespace did that?
1177187095 M * daniel_hozac you need to chroot for mount to show it.
1177187096 M * oliwel I do a lot of monitoring with nagios based on this feature and thats broken now....
1177187101 M * oliwel no i didnt
1177187111 M * daniel_hozac vnamespace -e mail cat /proc/mounts will work though.
1177187124 M * oliwel will try
1177187156 M * oliwel ok you are right
1177187169 M * oliwel so I guess I have to patch the nagios sources :(
1177187220 M * oliwel but I guess I can work around now - thx a lot!
1177187237 M * oliwel just for interest - where is the difference ?
1177187302 M * daniel_hozac between what? chroot and vnamespace?
1177187315 M * oliwel no between mount and cat /proc/mount
1177187323 M * oliwel actually it should do the same
1177187333 M * daniel_hozac mount reads /etc/mtab.
1177187347 M * oliwel ah damn - you are right
1177187351 M * daniel_hozac /proc/mounts is the actual view according to the kernel.
1177187352 M * oliwel than I now the problem :(
1177187376 M * oliwel I guess that I killed a link
1177187394 M * oliwel the vserver disk is read only and mtab was linked to proc/mounts
1177187398 M * oliwel in the odl setup
1177187404 M * oliwel perhaps I killed this
1177187407 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@125-225-100-122.dynamic.hinet.net
1177187443 M * oliwel will check this tomorrow -gotta go - thank you a lot for saving my time ;=) and nice eveining
1177187447 M * tanjix daniel_hozac: another interesting thing: on some guests the clients can do a reboot and guest reboots.. on others it fails with: init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory  - any idea?
1177187460 M * daniel_hozac oliwel: you're welcome, and you too!
1177187471 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: different initstyles.
1177187498 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: on guests using the sysv/gentoo initstyle, there's no init inside the guests, so you need to use reboot -f/halt -f to ask the kernel to reboot/stop it.
1177187499 M * tanjix how must the style look like to work?
1177187518 M * daniel_hozac on guests using the plain initstyle, a simple reboot/halt will work.
1177187599 M * tanjix so i should put a file style with "plain" to the vserver config in "apps" folder?
1177187610 J * avi_ ~avi@openbsd.org.il
1177187613 M * avi_ hey
1177187628 M * avi_ Bertl_vV 
1177187629 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1177187630 M * avi_ there?
1177187650 Q * avi_ 
1177187658 M * daniel_hozac wow
1177187663 M * tanjix hehe
1177187683 M * daniel_hozac tanjix: in the apps/init directory, yes.
1177187704 M * tanjix hm but we deleted that style file yesteday becuase of another problem
1177187708 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1177187709 N * Loki|muh_ Loki|muh
1177187722 Q * cdrx Quit: Leaving
1177187744 M * daniel_hozac right.
1177187754 J * SoftIce ~phil@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za
1177187762 M * tanjix so what should i do ? :)
1177187777 M * daniel_hozac probably better to alias reboot="reboot -f"; alias halt="halt -f"
1177187801 M * SoftIce yo, please somebody tell me, i've been trying to get this answered for days, what linux distro has the most up to date packages in ones opinion here?
1177187814 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1177187857 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce: when it comes to what?
1177187873 M * SoftIce well all round stuff?
1177187886 M * SoftIce pretty much who keeps the best up to date packages?
1177187912 M * daniel_hozac Gentoo, i guess.
1177187924 M * sid3windr or debian unstable/experimental? :)
1177187926 M * daniel_hozac maybe Debian unstable.
1177187936 M * daniel_hozac or Fedora development.
1177187939 M * sid3windr exactly
1177187951 M * SoftIce but gentoo isn't dev ?
1177187951 M * sid3windr or mandrake develthingy
1177187952 M * sid3windr hehe
1177187956 M * SoftIce you just have the option to install later packages
1177188083 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: is gentoo packages up to date with util-vserver, etc?
1177188108 M * daniel_hozac yeah, Hollow and phreak`` are very good at keeping up to date.
1177188129 M * phreak`` yessir, we are :P
1177188143 M * SoftIce try keeping ubuntu up to date :)
1177188157 M * phreak`` wh000t
1177188186 M * daniel_hozac IMHO Ubuntu is somewhat broken by design.
1177188198 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: in what sense?
1177188213 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: haha, thanks for speaking my thoughts :S
1177188231 M * daniel_hozac in the "import all packages from Debian and rebuild them and call it stable" sense...
1177188266 M * virtuoso Don't forget funny wallpaper images.
1177188282 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: but they not as newer packages as debian
1177188289 M * sid3windr Yes, Fedora Desktop 7 is much better :]
1177188292 M * SoftIce ubuntu is said to be tested that much better thats why they have older packages
1177188310 M * daniel_hozac hahaha, that's the funniest thing i've heard all day.
1177188321 M * daniel_hozac isn't it Ubuntu that ships a broken dietlibc? :)
1177188324 A * sid3windr is very happy they got rid of "Core" and put "Desktop" in place - that'll teach all the kiddo's putting FC on their "servers" :)
1177188336 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: there'll be a Fedora Server too ;)
1177188341 M * sid3windr there better not be
1177188353 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver is supposed to be inclueded.
1177188354 M * sid3windr or I'll have to saturate all their mirrors
1177188365 M * sid3windr and make sure noone can ever download it at >0.01kB/sec
1177188366 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: well as far as i'm aware, what powers ubuntu over debian in that fact it can be used in enterprise
1177188369 M * SoftIce and has support
1177188385 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce: so you claim that Debian cannot be used in enterprises?
1177188396 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: well you dont have the support factor
1177188402 M * SoftIce you can phone ubuntu at any time of day or night
1177188406 M * SoftIce thats what i'm getting at
1177188418 A * sid3windr has never utilised his SLES support
1177188430 M * daniel_hozac i'm quite certain it's cheaper to just get someone knowledgable on staff.
1177188433 M * sid3windr (40 debian servers, 1 suse)
1177188441 M * sid3windr (for oracle)
1177188441 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: ofcourse
1177188453 M * SoftIce and ofcourse it can be used in enterprise, but thats how its marketed on some sites ive read
1177188464 M * sid3windr welp, ubuntu has the "LTS"
1177188474 M * SoftIce i was about to ask
1177188474 M * daniel_hozac how long is Ubuntu's LTS?
1177188478 M * sid3windr 5 years
1177188480 M * SoftIce till 2011
1177188483 M * sid3windr but if debian keeps their schedule up like they have in the past their support for "this and previous" will be longer
1177188485 M * SoftIce for server
1177188487 M * sid3windr :p
1177188496 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: hehe, indeed ;)
1177188524 M * SoftIce 5 years is quite nice in that sense
1177188530 M * sid3windr anyway
1177188532 M * SoftIce and i do see packages being released under dapper still
1177188536 M * sid3windr what is it with this channel and distro wars :p
1177188544 M * SoftIce :)
1177188547 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: we loooovvve them ;)
1177188547 M * SoftIce sorry, my mistake
1177188559 M * sid3windr hehe
1177188563 M * SoftIce all i actually was asking was what distro has the most up 2 date packages
1177188573 M * SoftIce and doesn't need to get changed every couple of days
1177188578 M * sid3windr you haven't been on irc for long have you
1177188581 M * SoftIce and daniel_hozac sugested gentoo what i thought it might have been
1177188587 M * sid3windr everything remotely related to linux ends up in distro wars :P
1177188604 M * SoftIce naa, i've been, i try avoid them :)
1177188614 M * SoftIce normally i'm not the most educated as to speculate with facts
1177188626 M * SoftIce so i kind of use my theory what isn't normally the complete truth :)
1177188662 M * SoftIce anyway, its bed time :) night!
1177188664 Q * SoftIce Quit: .
1177188731 M * virtuoso Funny thing, a colleagues of mine migrated from gentoo he's been using for several years to ubuntu just this week.
1177188766 M * sid3windr I know a few who upgraded from fedora core and gentoo to ubuntu as well
1177188773 M * sid3windr and yes, sorry, I call it upgrading not migrating :p
1177188799 M * virtuoso He happened to enjoy the picture on my desktop, the one that's imitating ubuntu logo with 4 girls standing in a circle in a funny pose. :)
1177188967 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: you really think Ubuntu is an upgrade?
1177189050 M * daniel_hozac i've put it in the same category as Slackware, i.e. distributions i'd rather not touch with a 10-foot-pole.
1177189069 M * sid3windr :-)
1177189206 M * virtuoso At least ubuntu simplifies matters compared to gentoo. Or even fedora.
1177189229 M * daniel_hozac does it really?
1177189252 A * virtuoso hopes so.
1177189260 M * virtuoso Saves time, doesn't it?
1177189269 M * daniel_hozac in what area?
1177189292 M * virtuoso Installing applications, for one thing.
1177189308 M * daniel_hozac well, that assumes they work.
1177189329 M * virtuoso Figuring out 'where did I screw up this time or was that ebuild maintainer's fault again'?
1177189338 M * virtuoso s,\?,.,
1177189352 M * daniel_hozac Fedora doesn't have ebuilds :)
1177189374 M * daniel_hozac i'm not a big fan of Gentoo either, but at least things aren't generally broken there.
1177189383 M * virtuoso They have loads of screwed packages and a screwed package manager, don't they? :)
1177189411 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1177189440 M * virtuoso That last one was about fedora, sorry.
1177189469 M * daniel_hozac a recent anecdote: in one of the classes i'm taking, we had to install apache with mod_ssl. i had to yum install mod_ssl, while the Ubuntu users needed to fiddle for hours before it even sort of hackishly worked...
1177189505 M * daniel_hozac and i mean, surely an SSL-enabled Apache server isn't that uncomon that nobody has noticed it yet...
1177189531 M * virtuoso Which is strange given that they indeed copy things from debian.
1177189546 M * daniel_hozac so i question Ubuntu's ability to, well, do anything.
1177189563 M * virtuoso However, I'm not sure if ubuntu has quite the target audience who's interested in apache at all.
1177189623 M * daniel_hozac so what you're saying is that people who want a webserver or who create websites shouldn't use Ubuntu?
1177189647 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: did you use gentoo a lot? :)
1177189655 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: i've never used it.
1177189660 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: because "things aren't generally broken there" is not what I'm hearing from many people :)
1177189662 M * virtuoso daniel_hozac: Likey.
1177189667 M * virtuoso Likely, that is.
1177189694 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: seems to be the only distro with sane Linux-VServer support.
1177189710 M * sid3windr unfortunately, linux-vserver does not run your desktop nor server :)
1177189727 M * Wonka i prefer debian testing with selfbuilt kernel
1177189732 M * sid3windr by the way, apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl gets you apache with ssl on ubuntu
1177189732 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: and i think that's more because Gentoo users tend to be, umm, not so bright.
1177189750 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: not a working one.
1177189757 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: does fine for me
1177189760 M * Wonka and i prefer apache 2.2 over apache 2.0 over apache 1.3
1177189765 M * daniel_hozac Wonka++
1177189769 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: the people I have in mind are quite bright and using linux for years++ :)
1177189793 M * Wonka aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 apache2
1177189796 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: well, i don't remember which version it was on, but it for sure didn't work there.
1177189799 M * sid3windr :)
1177189803 M * sid3windr yeah well.
1177189804 M * sid3windr :)
1177189823 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: it required hackery in the initscript for apache to start at all after enabling mod_ssl.
1177189827 M * Wonka or leave the libapache2-mod-php5 away - even better :)
1177189831 M * virtuoso Does ubuntu support powerpc hosts btw? :)
1177189836 M * sid3windr yes, it does
1177189880 M * virtuoso And you even don't have to bootstrap it yourself from debian? Cool.
1177189886 M * sid3windr lol :)
1177189904 M * sid3windr well
1177189912 M * sid3windr the last one had powerpc iso's
1177189916 M * sid3windr 7.04 doesn't seem to
1177189920 M * sid3windr i386 amd64 and sparc only o_O 
1177189938 M * virtuoso iso is not everything.
1177189942 M * sid3windr yes, ofcourse
1177189947 M * virtuoso Like that mod_ssl support. :)
1177189953 M * sid3windr :)
1177189990 M * matti Damn.
1177190004 M * virtuoso I'd be actually interested in multiarch-enabled ppc, but I'll better shut up.
1177190005 M * daniel_hozac yeah matti, you missed the whole distro war.
1177190009 M * matti Upgrading from 2.6.11 to 2.6.20.7 is a real pain in the ass.
1177190022 M * daniel_hozac haha, i bet.
1177190032 M * matti daniel_hozac: I don't care about who is using what.
1177190032 M * sid3windr did you boot without disksupport perhaps? ;)
1177190040 M * matti daniel_hozac: I am using Gentoo and Ubuntu.
1177190053 M * matti daniel_hozac: In work Fedora Core 6, CentOS and Gentoo Hardened.
1177190083 M * matti daniel_hozac: I hate Fedora Core and CentOS, but I do not have a choice.
1177190098 M * matti :(
1177190117 M * matti daniel_hozac: And over time I just stop taking care who is using what... same shit.
1177190155 M * sid3windr I hate yum as well. :P 
1177190161 M * matti :-)
1177190165 M * sid3windr it really gives me a big headache when used to apt
1177190166 M * sid3windr :/
1177190173 M * daniel_hozac why's that? same thing, no?
1177190176 M * sid3windr i've never seen a slower package manager in my life
1177190183 M * matti Inded.
1177190197 M * daniel_hozac well, apt doesn't quite solve the same problems.
1177190202 M * matti And downloading haders every single f* time takes ages...
1177190204 M * sid3windr on current hardware it's almost as fast to just compile it
1177190213 M * sid3windr matti: yes, lethal ;/
1177190230 M * daniel_hozac or does apt do file deps now too?
1177190238 M * sid3windr file deps?
1177190263 M * matti File deps?
1177190268 M * virtuoso Like you depend on /bin/sh instead of a package.
1177190275 M * sid3windr why would you want that? :)
1177190279 M * virtuoso Wicked thing to have.
1177190282 M * matti Yeah.
1177190288 M * matti Well.
1177190291 M * matti As I said.
1177190299 M * daniel_hozac because files move between packages.
1177190311 M * sid3windr they do?
1177190312 M * sid3windr eww.
1177190315 M * matti All distributions are slowly becoming to be more filled withh shit than usable.
1177190324 M * daniel_hozac coreutils you know?
1177190329 M * daniel_hozac that used to be a bunch of separate packages.
1177190337 M * matti I really cannot understand, why minimal installation of Fedora takes 2 GB
1177190339 M * matti :)
1177190346 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: how many years ago?
1177190349 M * daniel_hozac matti: uh? minimal install needs 500 MiB.
1177190355 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: 2 i think.
1177190363 M * matti daniel_hozac: I was doing network install today.
1177190364 M * sid3windr well, in sarge it's 1 package
1177190369 M * sid3windr and that's 2 years old :)
1177190372 M * matti daniel_hozac: And it takes 2 GB ;(
1177190383 M * sid3windr matti: you probably didn't click on "disable everything" :p
1177190387 M * daniel_hozac matti: it all depends on what you select...
1177190397 M * sid3windr daniel_hozac: DEselect :)
1177190397 M * matti sid3windr: Good point ;p
1177190412 M * daniel_hozac sid3windr: it's one selection, "minimal install".
1177190419 M * sid3windr hmm :)
1177190447 M * matti That's why I resally like Gentoo Hardened. It takes less than 100 MB to run :)
1177190453 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1177190454 J * newz2000 ~matt@12-210-150-228.client.mchsi.com
1177190456 M * matti With everything I need on server.
1177190459 M * daniel_hozac surely you can't fit a toolchain in there.
1177190472 M * matti And it's far more secure than Fetora.
1177190474 M * matti ;]
1177190489 M * daniel_hozac i assume you have proof of that?
1177190490 M * matti Well.
1177190501 M * daniel_hozac because AFAIK, Fedora has pretty much all of those features OOTB...
1177190520 M * matti Yeah, the useless SELinux especially ;]
1177190525 M * matti ;-p
1177190554 M * matti Fedora do not have PaX, do not have SSP, do not have PIE, etc.
1177190561 M * daniel_hozac umm, yes they do
1177190566 M * matti Where?
1177190568 M * matti :)
1177190580 M * daniel_hozac PaX is called ExecShield and... something i can't remember.
1177190584 M * daniel_hozac PIE is enabled for all binaries.
1177190584 M * matti LOL
1177190591 M * matti Exec Shiled is a toy.
1177190610 M * daniel_hozac all of the gcc protections are used.
1177190615 M * matti I remember nice conversation on #grsecurity about Exec Shiled :)
1177190632 M * matti Well, not important.
1177190649 M * matti Personally I hate all RedHat alike creatures.
1177190649 A * virtuoso remembers one things about exec shield: exec_shield=0
1177190661 M * virtuoso s,things,thing,
1177190662 M * matti Especially CentOS :)
1177190675 M * daniel_hozac matti: yeah, these OOTB features must kill you!
1177190693 M * matti daniel_hozac: No. I don't care.
1177190720 M * matti :-)
1177190851 M * matti daniel_hozac: But there's one thing.
1177190876 M * matti daniel_hozac: RedHat is making a hell of a god job with FC and RHEL.
1177190890 M * matti daniel_hozac: Especially when it comes to Virtualization and stuff.
1177190906 M * daniel_hozac it's just F now :)
1177190930 M * virtuoso F.Core? :)
1177190941 M * matti daniel_hozac: It is just me... I don't like them... :(
1177190952 M * matti Bertl_vV: But I am stubborn old and grumpy nerd.
1177190983 M * matti Ops.
1177191000 M * daniel_hozac virtuoso: the Core has been dropped.
1177191018 M * matti :)
1177191028 M * virtuoso daniel_hozac: Just kidding.
1177191033 M * virtuoso I didn't know though.
1177191040 M * matti daniel_hozac: Oh, it seems, that you're 100% right.
1177191050 M * matti daniel_hozac: Mea cupla.
1177191060 M * matti daniel_hozac: FC is indeed on the top with security. Nice.
1177191106 M * matti Hehe, and some Fedora developers are complaining that Gentoo is not upgrading their patches.
1177191109 M * matti Heheh :)
1177191110 M * matti Damn.
1177191110 M * matti ;p
1177191119 M * matti I really need to go on MSCE course ;p
1177191143 M * matti After that, world will become a simple and nice place to live ;p
1177191177 M * daniel_hozac really?
1177191186 M * matti Yeah.
1177191194 M * matti After brain wash :)
1177191459 Q * boci^ Quit: Távozom
1177191512 A * matti will install Fedora 7 on his desktop for testing when it will be released.
1177191523 M * matti BTW. Xen is not working under VirtalBox.
1177191525 M * matti Damn...
1177191531 M * matti I need to install VMWare.
1177191550 M * matti Latest VMWare don't like my HPET.
1177191564 M * matti And I need to switch to pmtmr
1177191573 M * matti Because something else do not like my TSC
1177191577 M * matti Damn...
1177191582 J * Jomep ~jomep@p50841143.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1177191596 M * matti :)
1177191605 M * matti It is a trully bad day...
1177191606 M * matti :)
1177191689 M * Jomep Hi, i need help. Since a reboot, I cannot start a daemon anymore, neither on vserver host nor guest. error message: "Couldn't bind server socket! Cannot assign requested address". strace shows: "bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(14667), sin_addr=inet_addr("86.214.65.99")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address)"
1177192031 M * sid3windr does "since a reboot" indicate a kernel upgrade?
1177192110 M * Jomep no
1177192154 M * daniel_hozac what kernel?
1177192155 M * Jomep I can try rebooting and not starting the vserver under 86.214.65.99 automatically...
1177192164 M * Jomep 2.6.18-4-vserver-686 
1177192167 M * Jomep debian etch standard
1177192196 M * daniel_hozac what does chcontext --xid 1 netstat -nlp show for port 14667?
1177192270 M * Jomep nothing for 14667. I tried that already, thinking the port may be already occupied.
1177192356 M * daniel_hozac and the IP address 86.214.65.99 is assigned to the host?
1177192362 M * daniel_hozac i.e. ip a shows it?
1177192367 M * Jomep yes
1177192382 M * Jomep host and guest, wheres SSH is split onto two ports
1177192401 M * daniel_hozac your guest is sharing the IP address with the host?
1177192419 M * Jomep yes, is that a problem?
1177192458 M * daniel_hozac it shouldn't be.
1177192462 M * daniel_hozac that's the only bind the program does, right?
1177192474 M * daniel_hozac it's not doing something silly like trying to bind the same port twice?
1177192541 M * Jomep Hmm I dont think so. It's a game server, and it used to run on the host for a week without any problems. Now I copied it into the guest (wanted to have nothing on the host, only on guests, for backup reasons), and after that the error came, even the host does not start it anymore
1177192569 M * daniel_hozac and you assigned 86.214.65.99 to the guest, right?
1177192579 J * onox ~onox@kalfjeslab.demon.nl
1177192589 M * daniel_hozac ip a inside shows it too?
1177192601 M * Jomep jcls:~# cat /etc/vservers/jclv1/interfaces/0/ip
1177192601 M * Jomep 85.214.65.99
1177192604 M * Jomep yes
1177192612 M * daniel_hozac 85?
1177192616 M * daniel_hozac isn't it 86?
1177192626 M * Jomep thanks daniel
1177192638 M * Jomep that may be it.
1177192650 M * Jomep omg, i spend whole afternoon on that.
1177192652 M * Jomep ;)
1177192795 M * daniel_hozac it's always the little things ;)
1177192844 M * Jomep yep, that was it. I compared the IP a few times, but only the last digits, coz USUALLY the problem lays there. Anyway, thanks again.
1177192944 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome!
1177193247 Q * Jomep 
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