1176511688 J * _jthm_ ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1176511885 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: still awake? 1176511976 Q * infowolfe_ Read error: No route to host 1176512020 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: i have not traced it yet, but using -rc6, using vservers-default during init fails to start them properly (no ip assigned), and screams about /dev/log :\ .... using it later works just fine 1176512589 J * marcfiu ~mef@c-68-39-177-97.hsd1.nj.comcast.net 1176513895 J * Vudu ~vudumen@217.20.138.14 1176513896 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176516146 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176516580 Q * boci^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176517141 Q * bzed Quit: Leaving 1176517803 Q * DreamerC_ Quit: leaving 1176517819 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@125-225-96-96.dynamic.hinet.net 1176518205 P * marcfiu 1176521119 Q * zLinux Remote host closed the connection 1176525530 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176526140 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D4F3B.dip.t-dialin.net 1176530677 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1176535976 J * dna ~naucki@252-201-dsl.kielnet.net 1176536985 J * DavidS ~david@chello062178045213.16.11.tuwien.teleweb.at 1176537617 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.38.145 1176538424 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85.124.174.163 1176540796 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1176541500 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1176541970 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176542159 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54b4f6a8.dip.t-dialin.net 1176544483 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann 1176544518 J * jolie- ~sdsa@212.156.188.80 1176544522 Q * jolie- Excess Flood 1176546853 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: hmm? that's strange. 1176548568 Q * b0c1 Quit: Távozom 1176549253 J * bzed ~bzed@dslb-084-059-120-061.pools.arcor-ip.net 1176549355 J * boci^ ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176549598 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1176549940 Q * boci^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176551358 J * boci^ ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176552111 M * blizz moin 1176552780 Q * boci^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176553639 J * boci^ ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176556430 Q * boci^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176556876 J * boci^ ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176557553 M * dos000 anyone has idea why i am getting ... 1176557578 M * dos000 ncontext: vc_net_create(): Invalid argument 1176557592 M * dos000 this is on the latest .20 kernel 1176557601 M * dos000 i never got this before 1176557753 M * daniel_hozac dos000: you didn't specify a static xid. 1176557761 M * daniel_hozac and you didn't enable dynamic ones on your kernrel. 1176557809 M * dos000 care to explain where i needed to specify on the kernel menu ? 1176557860 M * daniel_hozac LEGACY -> DYNAMID_IDS 1176557880 M * daniel_hozac you really should use static xids anyway though. 1176557928 M * dos000 daniel_hozac: i just took the default .config 1176557961 M * daniel_hozac exactly. 1176557965 M * daniel_hozac LEGACY is disabled by default. 1176558041 M * dos000 so where do you specify the xid for the guest ? 1176558047 M * dos000 at creation ? 1176558053 M * daniel_hozac /etc/vservers//context 1176558063 M * daniel_hozac that works too, use the --context option. 1176558104 M * dos000 was this supported in the old kernels ? the --context option ? 1176558130 M * dos000 hmm ... that is utils .. now that i think about 1176558185 M * dos000 so the context is just any random number ? 1176558190 M * daniel_hozac yes, --context has been supported since at least 1.2. 1176558205 M * daniel_hozac a unique number between 2 and 49151. 1176558499 M * dos000 is there a command to just say give me the next available xid ? 1176558677 M * dos000 The context-name of the vserver. This file is listed for completeness only; the 'context' name is used and set internally by the util-vserver tools and can *not* be modified 1176558688 M * dos000 this is from the documentation page 1176558706 M * dos000 under /etc/vservers/vserver-name/uts 1176558841 M * daniel_hozac you're looking at the wrong file. 1176558853 M * daniel_hozac there's no uts in the path i gave you, is there? 1176558902 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver 0.30.213+ will assign static xids on its own if you don't specify one. 1176559305 M * dos000 wait ... 1176559328 M * dos000 ah .. i am using 0.30.212 1176559625 M * dos000 daniel_hozac: are you familiar with vrrpd ? how (well) would it work on vaservers ? 1176559647 M * daniel_hozac what is it? 1176559700 M * dos000 its an ip sharing mechanism 1176559746 M * dos000 so if one machine ip goes down it will take over that ip on the standby machine. it also sends the appropriate arps i think as well 1176559769 M * daniel_hozac sounds like something you'd have to run on the host. 1176559806 M * dos000 yes 1176559830 M * dos000 but he problem is that the guests need to magically bind to that new interface 1176559913 M * dos000 if i have application running on a guests i want to change or add another inetrface to the guest without restarting all the applications on the guest 1176560008 M * dos000 any idea how or if that can even be done ? 1176560204 M * daniel_hozac naddress --nid --add --ip 1176560211 M * daniel_hozac that assumes your guest already has 2 addresses though. 1176560247 M * dos000 how do you remove later ? 1176560290 M * dos000 this works on all kernels ? 1176560310 Q * ktwilight_ Quit: dead 1176560331 M * daniel_hozac naddress --nid --remove --ip . 1176560352 M * daniel_hozac well, i'm not sure if removal works on all kernels yet. 1176560390 M * daniel_hozac in fact, i think single IP removal doesn't work on any kernel without the IPv6 patch. 1176560418 M * daniel_hozac but you can use naddress --nid --set --ip / --ip / --ip /... to work around that. 1176560463 M * dos000 and i can can specify any number of ips ? 1176560481 M * daniel_hozac up to 16 per guest by default. 1176560486 M * dos000 very nice .. i like. 1176560511 M * dos000 now what happens to applications ? 1176560546 M * daniel_hozac if your guest has more than 1 IP address at all times, they won't notice anything. 1176560560 M * daniel_hozac (unless they're broken and bind to each IP address invidually) 1176560571 M * dos000 daniel_hozac: nice.. vrrp requires more than one ip anyway 1176560657 M * dos000 daniel_hozac: actually the applications bind to the shared ip all 1176560679 J * ktwilight ~ktwilight@4.117-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1176560711 M * dos000 the thing you have one shared ip . so one machine starts up and uses this ip as its main ip. plus a secondary for heart beats with the standby machine 1176560780 M * dos000 if the main machine goes down the standby machine which was already listening on a separate ip just get modded to master so it has to make all its apps bind to the master ip. 1176560823 M * dos000 now when the master comes back to life .. he likes to get his ip back. 1176560844 M * dos000 so the slave has to be told to let go of the master ip. 1176561127 M * dos000 hmmm ... the app seems to bind to the ip:port individually :( 1176561148 M * daniel_hozac tell it to bind to 0.0.0.0 instead then. 1176561181 M * dos000 ok 1176561380 M * dos000 btw the nid is the actual context we were talking about ? 1176561396 M * dos000 or just guest name 1176561397 M * daniel_hozac you can just use the guest's name if you want. 1176561400 M * daniel_hozac either one works. 1176561411 M * dos000 very nice ... 1176561464 M * dos000 one more thing .. if you may ... 1176561491 M * dos000 i have this process monitoring deamon called monit ... 1176561626 M * dos000 does it make a difference if the monit is running in host and the monitored process is running in a guest. given the process pid. does it make a diff ? 1176561690 M * daniel_hozac i guess so, as IIRC the host cannot kill guest processes without using vkill. 1176561778 M * dos000 he actully never kills the process .. just makes sure its still tunning 1176561791 M * dos000 and if it dies .. restart it 1176561807 M * daniel_hozac but how does it determine that? 1176561810 M * daniel_hozac and how does it restart it? 1176561825 M * dos000 it runs the init sript 1176561868 M * daniel_hozac you have initscripts in the host to start things in the guest? 1176561894 M * dos000 not yet ... the init srcipts are all on the guest 1176561917 M * daniel_hozac so... 1176561921 M * dos000 i am just trying to figure how am i going to do it 1176561937 M * dos000 i was thinkging calling vserver exec 1176561982 M * dos000 the monit deamon looks for the generated pid file and starts montoring that process 1176561993 M * dos000 so i think 1176562014 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1176562150 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU 1176563324 J * ktwilight_ ~ktwilight@95.103-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1176563513 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-3861.adsl.interware.hu 1176563737 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176563954 Q * boci^ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176564029 Q * nebuchadnezzar Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) 1176564751 M * Guy- dos000: I wrote something about using runit on the host to monitor and control guest processes 1176564758 M * Guy- dos000: it's in the linux-vserver wiki 1176564772 M * Guy- dos000: it may be useful for monit too 1176564907 M * Guy- dos000: http://linux-vserver.org/Running_runit-supervised_services_inside_a_vserver 1176564926 M * dos000 Guy-: i was just there ! 1176565176 M * dos000 man ... this thing just just keep getting involved 1176565227 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1176565244 M * Guy- actually, I'm under the impression that runit can do a lot more than monit 1176565255 M * Guy- so perhaps the monit setup could be somewhat simpler 1176565400 M * Guy- but I found that the runit scenario described there works very well 1176565650 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1176565900 M * dos000 monit has a nice deal of logic that keeps amazing me 1176566219 M * Bertl_vV greetings folks! 1176566232 M * daniel_hozac hey Bertl_vV! 1176566369 M * doener hi Bertl_vV 1176566382 M * doener daniel_hozac: hm, didn't you have a patch for the ctrl+c issue? 1176566452 M * Bertl_vV doener: it seems it is a non-issue with vlogin 1176566496 M * doener hm? I though it was a non-issue _without_ vlogin, as a util-vserver downgrade solved it? Or do I misremember that mail? 1176566552 M * doener ah, it was an upgrade to an ancient version, nvm 1176566588 M * doener those ancient version always automatically trigger "downgrade" here ;) 1176566793 M * daniel_hozac doener: yeah. 1176566947 M * daniel_hozac the joys of Debian :) 1176567113 A * doener is quite happy with Debian sid being fun again 1176567125 M * doener I'm just afraid of upgrading X.org... 1176567220 M * daniel_hozac hehe 1176567232 Q * Greek0 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176567308 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1176567928 M * marcfiu does anyone know approximately how many VPS hosting centers use Linux-VServer today? 1176569203 Q * Greek0 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176569366 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1176569785 M * marcfiu Without necessarily opening up a can of worms, can anyone tell me the difference between Linux-VServer and FreeVPS? Were they once based on the same code and the forked? 1176569816 Q * Greek0 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176569896 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1176571129 Q * Greek0 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176571196 M * daniel_hozac marcfiu: yeah, IIUC FreeVPS branched very early on 1176571264 J * zLinux ~zLinux@88.213.62.190 1176573005 M * marcfiu daniel_hozacray6: thanks 1176573114 Q * Nam Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176573780 Q * Curus Remote host closed the connection 1176573846 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1176574154 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176574194 Q * phreak`` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176574253 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-147-76-85.bhm.bellsouth.net 1176574742 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@p548BFD9F.dip.t-dialin.net 1176574746 Q * phreak`` 1176575723 J * Hollow ~Hollow@i577B7C31.versanet.de 1176575731 J * dna_ ~naucki@252-201-dsl.kielnet.net 1176575734 M * Hollow so .. 1176575737 M * Hollow *shrug* 1176575759 M * Hollow i can't even get into the rescue, it's weekend .. perfectly fine 1176576116 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-103-239.dclient.hispeed.ch 1176576139 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176576330 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection 1176576411 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1176576900 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@p548BFD9F.dip.t-dialin.net 1176579569 J * gr8linux ~debian.ir@80.75.15.208 1176579874 Q * gr8linux 1176580457 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-247-109.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1176580484 Q * Johnnie 1176580500 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-247-109.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1176580867 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1176584082 M * marcfiu daniel_hozacray6: you on? 1176584100 J * Nam ~nam@66.119.165.82 1176584114 M * marcfiu does anyone know whether the chroot barrier is unique to Vserver, or has this functionality made its way into mainline? 1176584298 J * toidinamai ~frank@84.19.199.64 1176584302 M * toidinamai Hi. 1176584320 M * toidinamai Is it possible to bind-mount a directory from one vserver into another? 1176584461 Q * Loki|muh Remote host closed the connection 1176584469 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1176584483 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1176585456 J * Aiken ~james@ppp194-30.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1176586844 Q * dna_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1176586870 J * dna_ ~naucki@252-201-dsl.kielnet.net 1176587147 Q * b0c1 Quit: Távozom 1176587196 Q * phreak`` Quit: leaving 1176587520 J * dna___ ~naucki@252-201-dsl.kielnet.net 1176587930 Q * dna_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1176587999 P * marcfiu 1176588010 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1176588464 M * daniel_hozac toidinamai: sure. 1176588497 M * toidinamai daniel_hozac: Is there anything I have to look for? 1176588499 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1176588506 M * toidinamai Won't the tags get mixed up? 1176588519 M * daniel_hozac well, if you're using xid tagging, it obviously won't work. 1176588675 J * Aiken ~james@ppp194-30.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1176589538 Q * Hollow Quit: Konversation terminated! 1176590013 Q * dna___ Quit: Verlassend 1176593056 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1176594933 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-4-188.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr 1176595040 Q * DoberMann[PullA] Ping timeout: 480 seconds