1175558927 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-2860.adsl.interware.hu 1175558940 Q * b0c1 1175560417 J * lylix ~eric@dynamic-acs-24-154-33-9.zoominternet.net 1175560517 Q * Piet_ Quit: Piet_ 1175564752 Q * duckx resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * Wonka resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * brcc_ resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * doener resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * teukka resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * boci^ resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * ex resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * mjt resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * Johnnie resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * TrueBrain resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564752 Q * FloodServ resistance.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1175564766 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1175564766 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de 1175564766 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@c-67-163-247-109.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1175564766 J * ex ex@81.219.196.129 1175564766 J * mjt ~mjt@81.13.94.2 1175564766 J * boci^ ~boci@smtp.dk.hu 1175564766 J * teukka ~teukka@193.65.190.29 1175564766 J * doener ~doener@host.magicwars.de 1175564766 J * brcc_ bruce@i.am.someasshole.com 1175564766 J * TrueBrain truelight@openttd.org 1175565405 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1175566644 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net 1175570321 Q * ruskie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175570437 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net 1175570487 Q * sladen Remote host closed the connection 1175571002 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1175571773 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: OS-level virtualization. 1175571901 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: thanks 1175572769 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175573136 Q * glut Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175573393 J * softi42 ~softi@p549d5042.dip.t-dialin.net 1175573709 J * rodolfo ~rodolfo@r190-64-221-121.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy 1175577114 Q * rodolfo Remote host closed the connection 1175577407 J * Aiken ~james@ppp250-73.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1175578509 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1175578523 M * Bertl okay, off to vacation ... cya folks! have fun! 1175578537 N * Bertl Bertl_vV 1175578675 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann 1175578902 M * daniel_hozac have a great time Bertl_vV! 1175579067 N * zLinux_ zLinux 1175579145 J * glut glut@no.suid.pl 1175579157 J * meandtheshel1 ~markus@85-124-37-82.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1175580220 J * grzegorz ~grzegorz@80.50.86.62 1175580419 M * grzegorz hello, i have one question is there any solution (patch) to setup quota inside vserver on partition mounted with --bind options? 1175580640 M * grzegorz if its important my distro is debian etch 1175581174 M * daniel_hozac are you bind mounting an entire filesystem, or a part of it? 1175581236 M * grzegorz I mount lvm volume 1175581322 M * grzegorz that volume is only using by this vserver 1175581402 M * daniel_hozac so how are you mounting it, exactly? 1175581410 M * daniel_hozac from the guest's fstab as the / mount? 1175581501 P * grzegorz Leaving 1175581506 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1175581531 J * grzegorz ~grzegorz@80.50.86.62 1175581614 P * grzegorz Leaving 1175581641 J * grzegorz ~grzegorz@80.50.86.62 1175581688 M * grzegorz i mount it by guest fstab 1175581710 M * daniel_hozac with what line? 1175581817 M * grzegorz "/data /data ext3 rw,bind 0 0" 1175582131 M * daniel_hozac and you mount the LVM volume at /data? 1175582209 M * grzegorz yes, host fstab is 1175582213 M * grzegorz /dev/mapper/vg00-data /data ext3 defaults,nosuid,nodev,grpquota 0 2 1175582580 M * daniel_hozac so, the usual procedure should apply. 1175582648 M * grzegorz I get thist message from repquota -a 1175582654 M * grzegorz repquota: Cannot stat() mounted device /data: No such file or directory 1175582719 M * grzegorz the same if i mount that volume in guest fstab like 1175582737 M * grzegorz /dev/mapper/vg00-data /data ext3 defaults,nosuid,nodev,grpquota 0 0 1175582761 M * grzegorz repquota: Cannot stat() mounted device /dev/mapper/vg00-data: No such file or directory 1175583188 M * daniel_hozac http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Standard+non-shared+quota 1175583193 M * daniel_hozac you followed those steps, right? 1175583622 J * jdhore1 ~jd@pool-71-163-74-30.washdc.east.verizon.net 1175583683 P * jdhore1 Leaving 1175583703 M * grzegorz not exactly, i dont use vroot device, i will try this now, thanks 1175583729 M * daniel_hozac vroot is what makes it secure... 1175584041 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org 1175584048 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de 1175584049 M * waldi hi 1175584064 M * waldi this looks like debugging code: ++ memset(tty, 0xDEADDEAD, sizeof(struct tty_struct)); 1175584089 M * daniel_hozac somewhat. 1175584124 M * waldi i currently dig through 2.2.0 and see some occurances of such changes 1175584142 M * daniel_hozac while we think the issue is fixed, we need the debug code in case it occurs again (as it's _really_ hard to trigger). 1175584442 Q * mattzerah Quit: mattzerah 1175585816 M * mjt vroot? What's that? 1175585825 A * mjt reads... 1175586224 J * dna ~naucki@225-231-dsl.kielnet.net 1175586312 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_)) 1175586322 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54b4ebef.dip.t-dialin.net 1175586748 M * mjt hmm. So what IS vroot, anyway? :) 1175586923 M * daniel_hozac a proxying device that only allows quota ioctls. 1175586974 M * mjt so it's vquotaproxy, not vroot ;) 1175587007 M * mjt man setattr 1175587008 M * mjt er 1175587514 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1175587604 J * prae ~benjamin@foxhound.sherpadown.net 1175587967 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1175588023 J * chand ~chand@212.99.51.254 1175588712 M * matti Morning. 1175588936 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-16-9.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr 1175589035 Q * DoberMann[PullA] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175590096 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.222.55 1175590841 Q * mattzerah Remote host closed the connection 1175591014 J * mattzerah ~matt@121.50.222.55 1175592096 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175593087 M * nou hmm it seems it's useless to monitor a vserver with munin-node as the stats are the same than for the root system, is it correct ? 1175593489 M * daniel_hozac there are munin plugins to monitor a guest. 1175593532 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1175594255 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1175594396 M * yarihm good morning everyone. i'm trying to lift up the max open files before starting a given vserver. i put a script pre-start in /etc/vservers/VID/scripts ; chmod 755 said file and it has rlimit -HS -n 8192 running. doesn't take effect though? touch /tmp/foobar is being executed, so the script is run. are these scripts run in a special context so the settin does not take effect? 1175594425 M * yarihm uh, ulimit that should be 1175595069 Q * nou Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175595145 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175595510 J * dghill dghill@office.mel.illuminate.com.au 1175595969 Q * dghill resistance.oftc.net saturn.oftc.net 1175596192 J * dghill dghill@office.mel.illuminate.com.au 1175596547 J * SoftIce ~psmith@dsl-242-123-186.telkomadsl.co.za 1175596548 M * SoftIce hi 1175596562 M * SoftIce hmm, any idea why my vserver doesn't execute what is stored in /etc/rc.local ? 1175596568 M * SoftIce even if I run /etc/init.d/rc.local start ? 1175596584 M * SoftIce this is the permission set on /etc/rc.local 1175596584 M * SoftIce -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 388 Apr 3 12:35 rc.local 1175596592 M * SoftIce and I will paste the /etc/init.d/rc.local script 1175596669 M * SoftIce http://www.pastebin.ca/422257 1175596872 M * dghill it should be 755 1175596887 M * dghill chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.local 1175596894 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1175597522 M * SoftIce great, seemed to have worked 1175597577 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org 1175598149 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: the parent doesn't inherit the ulimit from the child... 1175598173 J * DoberMann[PullA] ~james@AToulouse-156-1-36-192.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr 1175598278 Q * DoberMann_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175598636 M * harry SoftIce: or you could change the /etc/init.d/rc.local to line 10: . /etc/rc.local 1175598643 M * harry then it doesn't need to be 755 1175598786 M * doener harry: won't work ;) the check on line 8 would still fail 1175598808 M * harry doener: isn't -x the "exists"? 1175598816 M * harry flag/test 1175598829 M * doener no, it's eXecutable (or searchable for directories) 1175598840 M * harry ah, you're right 1175598847 M * harry so make that -f too then ;) 1175598869 M * doener how about -r? 1175598873 M * harry readable? 1175598874 M * SoftIce thing is why is it like that 1175598876 M * harry sure :) 1175598883 M * SoftIce i've not changed the flags, and thats a default debian install 1175598883 M * SoftIce :P 1175598890 M * SoftIce and strangly enough it was working 1175598895 M * harry debian has rc.local file??? 1175598896 M * harry odd... 1175598897 M * SoftIce guess i must have changed perm some how 1175598914 M * SoftIce harry why is that odd? 1175598941 M * doener harry: since Etch 1175598944 M * harry none of my debian systems have /etc/init.d/rc.local or /etc/rc.local files 1175598947 M * harry aaaaaaaaaaaah 1175598951 A * harry doesn't have etch :) 1175599022 M * harry lol 1175599030 M * harry SoftIce: is that script really a debian script? 1175599034 M * harry unmodified??? 1175599047 M * SoftIce its an ubuntu script unmodified 1175599053 M * SoftIce well I did modify the /bin/bash it was /bin/sh 1175599065 M * SoftIce but was just testing due to the fact it never ran 1175599065 M * harry why? 1175599068 M * SoftIce err that wasn't the script 1175599072 M * SoftIce that was the /etc/rc.local file 1175599086 M * SoftIce harry: never knew in a vserver if it created the sh shell by default 1175599092 M * SoftIce I could have 'sh' 1175599096 M * SoftIce but I never :) I just modified the line 1175599124 A * harry allways leaves the /bin/sh 1175599135 M * harry anyway, kinda "stupid" script imho, the init.d part :) 1175599140 M * harry # 1175599141 M * harry restart|reload|force-reload) 1175599141 M * harry # 1175599141 M * harry echo "Error: argument '$1' not supported" >&2 1175599141 M * harry # 1175599143 M * harry exit 3 1175599146 M * harry # 1175599146 Q * harry Killed (FloodServ ((FloodServ) Warning, you have triggered a network protection. Stop flooding!)) 1175599153 M * SoftIce heh 1175599155 M * SoftIce bonjour 1175599183 J * harry ~harry@d54C2508C.access.telenet.be 1175599188 M * SoftIce welcome back 1175599191 M * SoftIce ye, but I get what you saying 1175599194 M * doener 403 Forbidden Paste :) 1175599200 M * harry wiiiiii :) 1175599213 M * harry stupid flood stuff 1175599224 M * harry anyway... if it only has a start/stop function 1175599243 M * harry then don't specify a restart/reload/force-reload option imho 1175599260 M * harry especially not if it's just gonna say: error arg not supported! 1175599529 M * SoftIce heh 1175599530 M * SoftIce :) 1175599541 M * SoftIce im sure the script is advanced enough to work something else out 1175599734 Q * Radiance Quit: changing servers 1175600215 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1175600403 M * daniel_hozac harry: you're required to implement them. 1175600438 M * harry well... not me :) 1175600446 M * harry i won't be part of it! :) 1175600468 M * harry then again... i rule :) 1175600481 M * harry *ahum* 1175600518 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: well, the intention was the other way around: pre_start is executed in the parent and thus being set to the new value, then the vserver is started and inherits the value from the host, no? 1175600523 M * SoftIce well I focking love vservers :) 1175600527 M * SoftIce well done 1175600548 M * SoftIce breezy edgy feisty hoary.buildd sarge sarge.fakechroot warty woody 1175600549 M * SoftIce dapper etch hoary potato sarge.buildd sid warty.buildd woody.buildd 1175600566 M * SoftIce why is their no vserver build for ubuntu or for fedora, etc etc ? 1175600570 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1175600573 M * SoftIce why do I only have the debian/ubuntu ones ? 1175600584 M * SoftIce let me guess, I installed it with apt-get ? :P 1175600590 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1175601012 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: but you made the script executable, which means the utils will run it, not source it 1175601027 M * daniel_hozac yarihm: chmod -x it and you should get the desired effect. 1175601037 M * daniel_hozac of course, you could just use /etc/vservers//ulimits instead... 1175601092 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce: if you use the ubuntu debootstrap, you should be able to install those. 1175601103 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce: for Fedora/CentOS, you need to install yum and use that build method. 1175601206 Q * kir Read error: Operation timed out 1175601301 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: but what happens if I want to install gentoo as a vserver? 1175601312 M * SoftIce daniel_hozac: I don't see them in the debootstrap ? 1175601372 J * starcode ~starcode@host-82-135-57-200.customer.m-online.net 1175601519 M * starcode Hi 1175601569 M * starcode I get a kernel oops @ tty_devnum on several servers since switching to 2.6.20.3/vs2.2.0-rc19 1175601650 M * starcode The oops message is here: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1380 1175601655 M * harry that's fixed in rc20 :) 1175601664 M * harry (and rc21 and the release ;)) 1175601664 M * yarihm daniel_hozac: ah ... didn't know that one with the chmod -x ... should use ulimits anyway 1175601691 M * starcode But it's not in the changelog... 1175601705 M * harry ? 1175601713 M * harry not everything is in the changelog :) 1175601725 M * starcode Ok, I'll give it a try :-) 1175601763 M * harry try the 2.6.2-.4 with 2.2.0 then :) 1175601772 M * harry 2.6.20.4 off course 1175601831 M * yarihm cu guys 1175601832 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1175601833 M * SoftIce : Currently it requires an additional patch, but the functionality should be available in 2.3+ soon. ((IPv6)) has more information 1175601836 M * SoftIce what version are we on now ? 1175601943 M * grzegorz I still have a problem with quota, my config is 1175601943 M * grzegorz host fstab 1175601943 M * grzegorz /dev/mapper/vg00-data /data ext3 defaults,nosuid,nodev,usrquota,grpquota 0 2 1175601943 M * grzegorz mtab: 1175601943 M * grzegorz /dev/hdv0 /data ufs rw,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 1175601945 M * grzegorz prepre-start script 1175601946 M * grzegorz rm -f /srv/vservers/VS1/dev/hdv1 1175601948 M * grzegorz vrsetup /dev/vroot0 /dev/mapper/vg00-data 1175601950 M * grzegorz cp -fa /dev/vroot0 /srv/vservers/VS1/dev/hdv1 1175601954 M * grzegorz postpost-stop script 1175601956 M * grzegorz vrsetup -d /dev/vroot0 1175601957 M * harry 4583 root 39 0 160 48 28 R 99.9 0.0 5648:23 login 1175601958 M * grzegorz mount list filesystem as is mounted with quota suport 1175601960 M * grzegorz /dev/hdv1 on /opt type ufs (rw,usrquota,grpquota) 1175601961 M * harry wtf is this? 1175601962 M * grzegorz but its not really mounted: 1175601964 M * grzegorz repquota -a 1175601966 M * grzegorz repquota: Quota file not found or has wrong format. 1175601968 M * grzegorz quotacheck -maugv 1175601970 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Scanning /dev/hdv1 [/data] done 1175601972 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Cannot stat old user quota file: No such file or directory 1175601974 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Cannot stat old group quota file: No such file or directory 1175601976 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Cannot stat old user quota file: No such file or directory 1175601978 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Cannot stat old group quota file: No such file or directory 1175601980 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Checked 1 directories and 0 files 1175601983 M * SoftIce *SLAPT* 1175601984 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Old file not found. 1175601986 M * grzegorz quotacheck: Old file not found. 1175602001 M * SoftIce use a dam pastebin 1175602025 M * harry nicklamers tend to not really care what people think, SoftIce ... 1175602050 M * SoftIce ;/ 1175602148 M * grzegorz mount list from vserver is "/dev/hdv1 on /data type ufs (rw,usrquota,grpquota)" 1175602160 M * grzegorz mistake is above 1175602198 M * SoftIce hmm, anyone have any idea why I get all these lang warnings 1175602208 M * SoftIce everyime I try do something, they just warnings I know, but still :P 1175602238 M * SoftIce http://www.pastebin.ca/422338 1175602260 M * harry SoftIce: i had those oto 1175602272 M * harry just ignore them 1175602285 M * harry it's just... they use locales for installation 1175602290 M * harry before locales are installed 1175602296 M * harry ==> falling back to default "C" 1175602299 M * harry as it says 1175602306 M * SoftIce I see 1175602318 M * harry normally when base install is done (and locales are installed) those "errors" wills top 1175602341 M * SoftIce weird why mine never went away 1175602363 M * harry then you should install the locales it wants :) 1175602498 M * SoftIce :D 1175602559 M * doener daniel_hozac: was the ttydev_num fix in rc20? I thought that one had the poisoning and rc21 had the fix? 1175602620 M * harry doener: you could be right 1175602631 A * harry a bit confused now that you mention it :) 1175602643 M * harry anyway... one should use 2.2.0 now, in which that bug is definately fixed :) 1175602748 M * doener oh oops, I really thought daniel_hozac had answered the question... 1175602756 A * doener goes for another cup of coffee... 1175602835 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1175602916 Q * starcode Quit: starcode 1175602937 J * starcode ~starcode@host-82-135-57-200.customer.m-online.net 1175602959 Q * starcode 1175603549 Q * kir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175603673 M * daniel_hozac SoftIce: you build Gentoo guests with -m template, and the stage4. 1175603743 M * SoftIce ahh I see 1175603782 M * daniel_hozac doener: rc21 had the do_each_task_pid (i.e. believed fix) reversion. 1175603878 M * doener daniel_hozac: yeah, and rc20 only had the poisoning, right? (which would not do anything at all if the do_each_task_pid fix is correct, AFAICT) 1175604221 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1175604427 Q * infowolfe Quit: Leaving 1175604449 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1175604548 Q * dghill synthon.oftc.net saturn.oftc.net 1175604633 M * daniel_hozac doener: yeah. 1175604681 J * dghill dghill@office.mel.illuminate.com.au 1175604820 Q * infowolfe Remote host closed the connection 1175604832 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1175605421 J * kajko ~grzegorz@80.50.86.62 1175605513 Q * kajko 1175605578 J * kajko ~grzegorz@80.50.86.62 1175605745 Q * grzegorz Quit: Leaving 1175605818 Q * kajko 1175606049 Q * SoftIce 1175607691 J * HKWH HKWH@124244250020.ctinets.com 1175607701 M * HKWH hi hi captin 1175608283 Q * HKWH Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175609260 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection 1175610883 Q * marl Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919] 1175611540 J * gypsymauro ~Io@84.18.151.77 1175611544 M * gypsymauro hello 1175611613 M * gypsymauro I moved a vserver tree fom /var/lib/vservers to a fs on a partition mounted on it, but it seems that when the machine starts it takes some minutes fixing permission on so on, it's possible? 1175612086 M * matti gypsymauro: Did you preserverd permission while moving/copying? 1175612145 M * gypsymauro uhm..cp -r? 1175612220 M * gypsymauro there is a way to re-adjust them? 1175612318 M * matti If you have old tree as a backup, then you can run rsync on it ;] 1175612349 M * matti gypsymauro: cp -r is not very wise ;) 1175612353 M * matti gypsymauro: cp -ar 1175612363 M * matti gypsymauro: Or move stuff by using rsync. 1175612374 M * matti gypsymauro: Or tar -vcpjf. 1175612383 M * gypsymauro no I've not , well is not a problem to recreate the machines, just wondering if I can restore it propely 1175612392 M * gypsymauro matti: hem *blush* 1175612397 M * matti What? :) 1175612422 M * gypsymauro I've not the old tree 1175612444 M * matti OK I am confused :) 1175612446 M * gypsymauro so the question is, can I manage permissions 1175612447 M * gypsymauro ? 1175612462 M * matti My english is a crap, but I don't get what you just said :) 1175612467 M * gypsymauro well 1175612484 M * matti "I've not the old tree" - you do not have old backups? 1175612496 M * gypsymauro nope 1175612512 M * matti OK, so put a , where is should be ;p 1175612515 M * matti ;D 1175612516 M * matti Sorry :) 1175612521 M * gypsymauro I done a cp -r /var/lib/vservers/* /mnt/vservers 1175612533 M * gypsymauro then I changed links where needed 1175612540 M * matti Yes. 1175612542 M * matti But? 1175612557 M * gypsymauro but when I restart my server (physical) it takes a lot to come up 1175612581 M * gypsymauro so I think vserver takes long time to do something that I ignore:) 1175612611 M * matti Hm... 1175612624 J * Curus ~Curus@10.8.185.213.dk-amb.res.sta.perspektivbredband.net 1175612654 M * Curus I have a reproducible kernel BUG at kernel/vserver/context.c:198 every time I add a vserver 1175612674 M * Curus Kernel is 2.6.19-1.2908.fc6.vs2.2.0.0.rc12.2 1175612749 M * Curus (From dhozac's repository) 1175612773 M * matti gypsymauro: I don't have any resonable thing in mind regarding your issue. Please stay on the channel, and maybe someone else will be able to help you later or so ;) 1175612781 M * matti daniel_hozac: PING 1175612831 M * matti Curus: Can you paste whole error? http://paste.linux-vserver.org/ 1175612920 M * Curus Sure. Number 1327 bears a remarkable resemblance to my problem actually 1175612950 M * Curus Mine is 1382 1175612962 M * gypsymauro there are debian etch binaries for latest vserver? 1175613030 M * Curus I added the command line I use to reproduce it 1175613091 M * matti gypsymauro: I don't have a clue ;] 1175613122 M * matti Curus: Give us and daniel_hozac URL pointing to your paste ;] 1175613200 M * Curus Sorry http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1383 1175613203 M * matti ;] 1175613228 M * matti Thanks :) 1175613243 M * matti It seems, that daniel_hozac is afk. 1175613246 M * matti Currently. 1175613249 M * matti ;] 1175613257 M * matti Curus: Stay put :) 1175613282 M * Curus I have 47 vservers so far, I hope I haven't hit a limit here... 1175613295 M * matti I don't thing so. 1175613318 M * matti s/thing/think/ 1175613323 M * matti Sorry I was distracted ;p 1175613374 M * Curus I'm not at the very latest kernel by the way, I'd make too many people unhappy if I rebooted to reproduce with that 1175614124 Q * gypsymauro Quit: leaving 1175614193 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1175615846 M * dghill why not use openvz ? 1175615852 M * dghill it kicks ass 1175615872 M * waldi and? 1175615876 M * arachnist what's the difference between openvz and vserver anyway? 1175615883 M * Curus Sure it does, but it has quirks too 1175615890 M * waldi virtualization vs. isolation 1175615913 M * dghill it's similar to vserver and xen 1175615924 M * dghill ie. not like vmware 1175615938 M * arachnist xen is more like vmware than vserver... 1175615939 M * dghill control for one arachnist 1175615957 M * dghill i can set about 20 different limits on ve's 1175615987 M * dghill arachnist: well openvz uses one kernel to service the hardware node and the ve's 1175616019 M * dghill each ve uses the same filesystem that the hardware node does 1175616023 M * Curus openvz is quite similar to vserver, but very different from vmware and xen 1175616031 M * dghill i thought xen was quite similar? 1175616038 M * dghill i've not tried it, only read about it 1175616046 M * dghill i use virtuozzo for paying clients 1175616047 M * Curus xen has a kernel pr virtual server 1175616060 M * dghill and use openvz on a couple of boxes and have set it up for customers on their hardware 1175616078 M * Curus We have both openvz and vserver in production 1175616092 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-61-136-122.bhm.bellsouth.net 1175616095 M * Curus Reasonably happy with both, overall 1175616170 M * Curus It's great that the kernel gets a unified approach though, it makes life easier every time both projects agree 1175616189 M * dghill totally 1175616205 M * dghill virtuozzo is really nice 1175616222 M * dghill but it's nothing you couldn't really do with openvz plus some scripting know how 1175616224 M * Curus Hopefully it will just be two sets of tools for the same kernel, just like racoon vs. openswan these days 1175616243 M * dghill i dunno if it'd ever get to that point 1175616285 M * Curus It will, once virtualization has stopped being cool and sexy 1175616421 M * sid3windr andrew morton said he way prefers containerization over virtualisation ;) 1175616431 M * sid3windr @fosdem 1175616471 M * Curus Heh, tomahto 1175616532 J * Term_ ~user1@189.131.143.159 1175616548 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.201 1175616554 J * Beuc ~yo@LAubervilliers-151-11-71-202.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1175616617 M * Term_ quit 1175616620 Q * Term_ 1175616658 M * Beuc Hi. What version would you recommand for a "security-critical" machine? For example, the old stable is based on 2.6.17.3 while there's a security fix in 2.6.17.4. 1175616681 M * Beuc To put it another way, do you need to use the latest version instead of the stable one if you need to keep up with security? 1175616707 M * Beuc Or maybe should I apply the kernel.org security fixes myself on the latest vserver stable? 1175616746 M * Beuc I don't know really what's the best security practice with Linux kernels in general - that is, when you're not using your distros' standard kernel :) 1175617044 M * Curus Generally the best practice is to use the distro kernel... But it's a good question, whether vserver kernels get updated with security fixes 1175617376 M * Beuc Curus: do you know if the kernel.org guys have a security "policy" written somewhere. I remember hearing that Linus would recommend using a distribution's kernel so that the kernel.org would not have to maintain stable releases. On the other hand they appear to update several 3rd-decimal versions of their kernel wrt security issues at a point of time. 1175617443 M * Curus No sorry, I don't know 1175617812 M * arachnist Curus: virtualisation won't stop being cool and sexy (for me) until linux gains freebsd/dragonfly binary emulation 1175617825 M * arachnist (kinda like bsd's have linux binary emulation 1175617899 M * arachnist but for that i can use qemu + kvm 1175617899 M * arachnist :> 1175619120 M * daniel_hozac Curus: please test the latest kernel... 1175619147 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1175619248 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175619269 M * daniel_hozac Beuc: the latest stable is 2.6.20.4-2.2.0. 1175619400 M * daniel_hozac Beuc: as for updates, there's pretty much always at least one patch that applies to a recent kernel. 1175619423 M * daniel_hozac and in most cases the .y releases don't change too much, so it's generally just the Makefile that fails to apply if you use an older patch. 1175619470 M * daniel_hozac (that is, for the same x.y.z kernel) 1175619674 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175620228 M * matti daniel_hozac: Did you saw Curus paste? 1175620231 M * matti daniel_hozac: Hello! 1175620231 M * matti ;] 1175620253 M * daniel_hozac yep, should be fixed in the latest kernel. 1175620270 M * daniel_hozac (hopefully i'll get around to doing the final 2.2.0 tomorrow) 1175620289 M * matti Superb. 1175620293 M * matti daniel_hozac: Thanks for help. 1175620445 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection 1175620457 M * Beuc daniel_hozac: Ok, thanks. I guess the question is "how many time does kernel.org provide security fixes for a given release?" => for lkml 1175620593 M * daniel_hozac usually x.y.z gets updates until x.y.z+1 has been out for a week or two. 1175620607 M * daniel_hozac i believe it depends on whether people submit patches though. 1175620643 M * daniel_hozac (notable exception is 2.6.16, which is still getting updates. but that's an experiment, IIUC) 1175620677 M * Beuc apparently that's described at http://kerneltrap.org/node/6930 1175620768 M * Beuc daniel_hozac: the thing is that there no vserver 'stable' release for each kernel.org .z release - though as you say thsi should be easily patchable 1175620831 M * daniel_hozac well, there are for most of them- 1175620941 M * Beuc My problem is that I followed vs2.2 a bit too closely and got my machine crashed a couple times, heh :) Not everybody liked it :) 1175621153 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-0070.adsl.interware.hu 1175624012 J * Term_ ~user1@189.131.143.159 1175625726 Q * infowolfe Remote host closed the connection 1175625929 Q * Piet_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175625961 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1175626311 M * daniel_hozac Beuc: and you reported those bugs and they are fixed now, no? 1175626384 M * Beuc daniel_hozac: sure, but there's still a downtime during the moment it crashes and the moment it's rebooted on the previous kernel 1175626423 M * daniel_hozac well, we felt it was good enough to release... 1175626470 M * Beuc it was my own fault running something marked 'testing' 1175626532 M * daniel_hozac well, it's very much appreciated... if nobody would run it, we could never do releases. 1175626581 Q * chand Quit: chand 1175626606 M * daniel_hozac (or the releases would probably be worse than the rcs today) 1175626611 M * Beuc Sure - well, anyway running vs2.2 crashed less for me than running Debian backports', heh :) 1175626639 M * daniel_hozac not too unexpected, i guess :) 1175626701 M * Beuc I have to admit I don't know which VS version backports is using, is there a way to check that? 1175626712 M * Beuc uname says "2.6.18-4-vserver-k7" 1175626721 M * daniel_hozac that should be 2.0.2.2-rc9. 1175626803 M * Beuc I have "VCIVersion: 0002:0002" in /proc/virtual/info 1175626997 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1175627180 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175627578 Q * Beuc Quit: Bye and thanks :) 1175627595 Q * duckx Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175627695 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1175627841 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1175628013 J * Radiance d093f95bf2@halt.1984world.eu 1175628203 Q * infowolfe Remote host closed the connection 1175628243 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1175629289 M * mjt should a VS be able to ping 127.0.0.1? 1175630098 M * bXi only if you have a lo interface if i'm right 1175630634 M * Term_ fixxxer 1175630650 P * Term_ 1175631136 M * mjt I do have lo interface.. only ;) 1175631165 M * mjt 1: lo: mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue 1175631165 M * mjt link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 1175631165 M * mjt inet 192.168.11.5/32 scope global lo 1175631684 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175632483 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-97-207.dclient.hispeed.ch 1175633100 M * mjt wug. 1175633108 M * mjt vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'ns'; returned value was '' 1175633121 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1175633127 M * mjt vserver ns stop 1175633127 M * mjt vserver 'ns' is not running 1175633144 M * mjt wtf? 1175633612 M * mjt fsck 1175633631 M * derjohn mjt, checking you fs ? 1175633642 M * mjt vserver-stat shows one vserver, with ctx=101 but w/o a name 1175633659 M * mjt how to enter this vs? how to shut it down? 1175633665 M * derjohn ctx ? Wich VS Version are you running on ? 1175633676 M * derjohn vserver 101 stop ? 1175633693 M * mjt tried that already 1175633700 M * mjt Possible solutions: 1175633700 M * mjt * fix the spelling of the '101' vserver name 1175633722 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175633724 M * derjohn ah, "vserver" doesnt accept contexts as arg 1175633730 M * mjt yup 1175633740 M * derjohn mjt, what do you want to do with the server? stop it ? 1175633752 M * derjohn (I assume you cant reboot the box) 1175633753 M * mjt something.. anything 1175633781 M * mjt well, rebooting just in order to fix this messy-brain-damaged-scripts is silly 1175633811 M * derjohn hm, what OS has the guest ... eh what distri? debian? gentoo ? 1175633820 M * mjt it doesn't matter 1175633825 M * derjohn (-> differnt init style) 1175633842 M * mjt it's busybox 1175633849 M * mjt not a distro 1175633863 M * derjohn and it did work before? 1175633888 M * mjt it worked before i tried to clone /etc/vservers/$NAME thing and forgeting to change context 1175633936 M * mjt now the vserver IS working, i can connect to squid proxy running there 1175633948 M * derjohn you are aware that you might try vps vkill chcontexz vnamespace etc ? 1175633952 M * mjt but it's the only process running (as it should be) 1175633967 M * derjohn vps and vtop show the context ids 1175633978 M * derjohn you might also want to check syslog if anything went wrong 1175634008 M * mjt nothing in syslog. just a messed-up /var/run/vservers* 1175634039 M * derjohn mjt that is created during install of the util-vserver 1175634049 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1175634050 M * derjohn and each context create its run within 1175634064 J * noU799 ~noU@208.182.56.10 1175634090 Q * noU799 1175634121 J * Aiken ~james@ppp194-30.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net 1175634122 M * mjt ok, it killed the vs 1175634128 M * mjt vps+vkill 1175634132 M * derjohn it? 1175634138 M * mjt it=vps+vkill 1175634143 M * derjohn ah, the command fine. 1175634152 M * derjohn does vserver-stat show anything ? 1175634164 M * derjohn (for that context= 1175634165 M * derjohn ) 1175634185 M * mjt the vs is killed == nothing's shown by vserver-stat 1175634198 M * mjt and nothing's in /proc/virtual/, either 1175634208 M * derjohn mjt, thats what you wanted in the 1st step, right ? 1175634215 M * mjt yes 1175634217 M * derjohn and now: why did the start fail? 1175634232 M * mjt and thank you for the help with this 1175634249 M * derjohn be welcome here :-) ! 1175634260 J * noU020 ~noU@208.182.56.10 1175634311 P * noU020 1175634344 M * mjt good question ;) 1175634364 M * derjohn did you choose a unique context id ? 1175634365 M * derjohn ah 1175634391 M * derjohn maybe you can try vserver --debug foo start 1175634394 M * mjt well after i changed context, new vserver does not clash with old one anymore 1175634425 M * derjohn and does it boot ? 1175634429 M * mjt +++ /usr/sbin/vserver-info /etc/vservers/ns CONTEXT false 1175634429 M * mjt ++ xid= 1175634429 M * mjt ++ warning 'vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver '\''ns'\''; returned value was '\'''\''' 1175634453 M * derjohn cat /etc/vservers/ns/context ? 1175634463 M * mjt 103 1175634470 Q * wenchien Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175634515 M * mjt strace /usr/sbin/vserver-info /etc/vservers/ns CONTEXT false 1175634518 M * derjohn hm, maybe a invisible special char in? A wrong linefeed? no "r" permissions for root ? 1175634520 M * mjt open("/etc/vservers/ns/run", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 1175634526 M * mjt read(3, "103\n", 5) = 4 1175634530 M * mjt vserver(0x2e050000, 0x67, 0xbfbdf6a0, 0xbfbdf6d0, 0) = -1 ESRCH (No such process) 1175634555 M * mjt lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-04-04 00:39 /etc/vservers/ns/run -> /var/run/vservers/ns 1175634614 M * derjohn you changed all symbolic links in the dir ? 1175634622 M * mjt sure 1175634625 M * derjohn but anyway, strace shows it reads the 103 .... 1175634640 M * derjohn but it doesnt want to chance conext 1175634667 M * derjohn you could try vserver --xid 103 ns start 1175634769 M * mjt okay 1175634773 M * derjohn or try without config file 1175634774 M * derjohn chcontext --xid 103 ps 1175634778 M * derjohn like that 1175634781 M * daniel_hozac vserver --xid doesn't work. 1175634785 A * mjt goes off to re-write all this stupid braindead scripts. 1175634788 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. there's no such option) 1175634800 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, ah, someone more enlightened! :) 1175634801 M * daniel_hozac mjt: the scripts can't fix your broken guests :) 1175634813 M * daniel_hozac that error message means the guest stopped before it started. 1175634823 M * daniel_hozac i.e. whatever process you're starting isn't hanging around. 1175634840 M * mjt lovely meaning for that error message 1175634894 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, what would be the right way to kill a "ghost-guest" that has no name in vserver-stat ? 1175634909 M * derjohn vkill all processes ? 1175634941 M * daniel_hozac or just the context 1175634956 M * mjt vserver enter is equivalent to chcontext, right? 1175634962 M * derjohn how? 1175635008 M * daniel_hozac mjt: no. 1175635010 M * daniel_hozac mjt: not at all. 1175635024 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: pid 0 or -1 means all processes (except init) 1175635035 M * derjohn hm, no really, but maybe like starting a bash in chcontext. But there might be namespace stuff to do, to. 1175635037 M * derjohn *too. 1175635067 M * mjt namespace should be cleaned up automatically once all processes has exited 1175635085 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, hm, "vkill -xid 42 0" will kill the "rest" ? 1175635142 J * wenchien ~wenchien@59-105-176-11.adsl.static.seed.net.tw 1175635148 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: --xid 42, but yes. 1175635168 M * derjohn ok, good to know if need arises ;) 1175635170 M * mjt aha. vserver enter does the same stuff as vserver create does -- chbind, ulimits, vcontext... 1175635199 M * derjohn is 2.2.0 released ? was -21 the last one ? 1175635283 M * harry yes 1175635301 M * daniel_hozac mjt: as it should. 1175635307 M * derjohn harry, and grsec is merged! cool, i might try grsec branch now 1175635332 M * harry i'm running the grsec one without any problems :) 1175635341 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@125-225-99-37.dynamic.hinet.net 1175635370 M * harry Linux bilbo 2.6.19.7-grsec2.1.10-vs2.2.0 #2 SMP Mon Apr 2 12:06:03 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux 1175635388 M * harry don't want a 2.6.20 kernel yet... for 2 reasons 1175635393 M * derjohn no 2.6.20 ? 1175635395 M * harry there is no "official" grsec patch 1175635411 M * harry 2. (most important) with all the KVM etc... which is NEW in the kernel 1175635413 M * derjohn 2.= ? 1175635415 M * harry i don't trust new stuff in the kernel 1175635430 M * derjohn generally ? or 2.6.20 in special ? 1175635431 M * harry they tend to make a LOT of security bugs in there 1175635452 M * harry they introduced KVM and some other new stuff in 2.6.20 1175635466 M * mjt kvm is optional 1175635472 M * harry so i'll wait for 2.6.21 for a merge of grsec 1175635476 M * harry mjt: i know 1175635485 M * harry but if it's there, you'll want it :) 1175635499 M * mjt no i wont ;) 1175635501 M * derjohn harry, yes, 2.6.21 would be nice, when will it come ` 1175635514 M * harry derjohn: don't know... but i think it's not gonna be long 1175635519 M * harry (not sure tough) 1175635526 M * derjohn but gernerally .0 is always a bad choice .... .5 sounds nice :) 1175635548 M * harry you can see how "bad" 2.6 kernels are, when you look at the 2.6.16 series 1175635560 M * harry they said: ENOUGH features, lets make this one better first 1175635571 M * harry and they added all security stuff from the next kernels 1175635580 M * harry i think the latest one is 2.6.16.38 or so 1175635592 M * mjt 41 or 42 ;) 1175635598 M * harry 46 1175635607 M * mjt wug ;) 1175635611 M * harry http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.16.46 1175635641 M * mjt either way, 2.6.18 was the first one which worked correctly on some of our machines (sata stuff) 1175635651 M * mjt (fsvo "correctly") 1175635658 M * harry mjt: since i don't trust "newest" kernel material 1175635674 M * harry i tend to stick to the "oldest" latest version :) 1175635682 M * harry which is 2.6.19.7 for now 1175635685 M * derjohn .20 has new sata stuff IIRC. 1175635699 M * mjt ditto (preferring ol'good kernel) 1175635722 M * harry i'll make that too... i probably won't be able to wait for a patch update as soon as grsec for 2.6.20 comes out 1175635728 M * harry there is one in spenders dir atm... 1175635730 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175635733 M * harry but i'm not in a hurry :) 1175635747 M * mjt but with current kernel development model, if you NEED recent-enough kernel, you have to stuck with latest-n-greatest, OR backport all the security stuff 1175635760 M * harry mjt: or run 2.6.16 1175635772 M * mjt as i mentioned above, 2.6.16 doesn't run here 1175635821 M * harry uhu 1175635822 M * mjt i tried to backport sata stuff to it a while back. partially successeful 1175635822 M * derjohn mjt, hm, sata in 2.6.17+ ? 4 Port via sata chipset 8251 ? 1175635850 M * mjt but next they changed all the interrupt handlers, and i gave up 1175635899 M * mjt 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01) 1175635902 M * mjt 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01) 1175635984 M * mjt hah 1175636031 M * mjt there's another machine, runnung 2.6.18 still, also with sata issues. And now i can't connect to it - looks like the harddisks are gone *again* 1175636059 M * matti harry: Hi. 1175636067 M * matti harry: How are you? 1175636068 M * harry because the developers make such a mess... i run a hardened 2.6.19 :) 1175636069 M * mjt 2.6.20 works on it, anything <= 2.6.19 locks up 1175636075 M * harry matti: pretty bad... but good ;) 1175636084 M * matti harry: Over-worked I pressume. 1175636091 M * matti harry: I need job description for you. 1175636096 M * harry matti: i tend to... not really care :) 1175636104 M * derjohn mjt, i had similar prods with sata. My favorite is SiL , which causes pain stince the label exists ;) 1175636140 M * matti harry: Oh well. It's your call. As you wish :) 1175636151 M * harry matti: nono... about the stress :) 1175636155 M * matti harry: Oh. 1175636157 M * harry i know i have a lot of work 1175636158 M * matti harry: Sorry ;] 1175636166 M * harry but i just... don't care... i'll see where i'll get 1175636173 M * matti Good. 1175636174 M * harry just gonna do my best 1175636184 M * matti You can't make miracles. 1175636187 M * matti :) 1175636195 M * harry i was lying btw... it's not 150k students, it's only 100k :) 1175636205 M * harry the other ones are still... in the pipeline :) 1175636214 M * matti ;-p 1175636284 M * harry it's only 4 racks full of machines and 1 rack with blade and netapps ;) 1175636305 M * harry ow, and 1 rack at DR site :) 1175636323 A * harry bed now! 1175636369 M * matti Sleep well harry :) 1175636369 M * mjt ok, it finally started... 1175636385 M * matti jkl: 42U? 1175636391 M * matti s/jkl/harry 1175636408 M * matti Whop.s 1175636411 M * matti Low battery, 1175636418 M * matti After 7 h of work. 1175636907 J * fatgoose ~samuel@206-248-161-176.dsl.teksavvy.com 1175636909 M * fatgoose hi 1175636982 M * fatgoose i'm stuck with centos 64 4.0 as a vserver host 1175637006 M * fatgoose anyone known if pre-built kernel exist for that distro? 1175637079 M * mjt you can build your own 1175637114 M * fatgoose yes 1175637139 M * fatgoose any bad experience with centos as a host (we are using debian)? 1175637158 M * mjt funny. 127.0.0.1 doesn't work from a vserver, but any other address in 127/8 works ;) 1175637195 M * mjt i guess any distribution will work 1175637443 M * hardwire mjt: it doesn't know itself. 1175637448 M * hardwire lets put it that way 1175637456 M * hardwire that why /etc/hosts is such a great help with vservers 1175637638 M * mjt what do you mean "doesn't know itself"? 1175637669 M * mjt i don't use names. `ping 127.1' doesn't work from a vserver, while `ping 127.2' works 1175637729 M * mjt ha 1175637748 M * mjt tcpdump on loopback, ping 127.1: 1175637753 M * mjt 02:01:49.850980 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: ICMP echo reply, id 20018, seq 2, length 64 1175637756 M * mjt 02:01:50.851405 IP 127.0.0.1 > 127.0.0.1: ICMP echo request, id 20018, seq 3, length 64 1175637765 M * mjt ditto, ping 127.2: 1175637770 M * mjt 02:01:59.606472 IP 192.168.11.6 > 127.0.0.2: ICMP echo request, id 20274, seq 1, length 64 1175637773 M * mjt 02:01:59.606533 IP 127.0.0.2 > 192.168.11.6: ICMP echo reply, id 20274, seq 1, length 64 1175637842 M * mjt it uses the wrong source IP address when pinging 127.1. I wonder who does that - ping or kernel... 1175638046 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1175638074 M * sid3windr mjt: kernel 1175638095 M * sid3windr at least I'd think so 1175638169 M * mjt it's ping 1175638184 M * mjt well.. both ;) 1175638216 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1175638252 M * mjt socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 4 1175638252 M * mjt connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.2")}, 16) = 0 1175638255 M * mjt getsockname(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(33468), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.11.6")}, [16]) = 0 1175638292 M * mjt so ping does connect() over udp socket to a destination address. In order to see which SOURCE address kernel will choose 1175638315 M * mjt but for 127.1, kernel chooses 127.1 1175638350 M * mjt while for the rest of 127.*, it chooses vserver's IP 1175638369 M * mjt so yes, it's the kernel 1175638752 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1175639814 M * mjt why there are two separate things: virtnet and virtual? 1175639825 M * mjt NID and XID 1175640025 Q * DreamerC_ Quit: leaving 1175640041 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@125-225-99-37.dynamic.hinet.net 1175640101 J * slack101 ~root@cpe-71-65-58-25.insight.res.rr.com 1175640121 M * slack101 this dude has let me down once again 1175640283 M * hardwire dudes are like that 1175640287 M * hardwire try asking a chick to help. 1175640317 M * slack101 lol 1175640337 M * slack101 i am paying this guy good money to setup a server and hes jus messing with me 1175640856 J * rollsnds ~rollsnds@113.sub-70-209-197.myvzw.com 1175640877 M * rollsnds hello 1175640896 M * rollsnds is anyone online 1175641078 M * rollsnds q 1175641085 M * rollsnds ok 1175641123 P * rollsnds 1175641631 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-105-85.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr 1175641733 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175641806 Q * b0c1 Quit: Távozom 1175642235 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1175643243 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)