1175385655 J * phycho ~phycho@217.151.105.79 1175385656 M * phycho gah 1175385658 M * phycho power ran out 1175385659 M * phycho heh 1175385687 M * Bertl laptop? 1175385694 M * phycho no, the mains ran out 1175385708 M * phycho really need to replace the UPS battery, its almost completely dead 1175385946 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1175386240 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1175387027 J * Aiken ~james@ppp250-73.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1175387051 M * Bertl wb Aiken! 1175387076 M * Aiken hi 1175387216 M * slack101 Bertl: what is your occupation ? 1175387224 M * slack101 anything to do with servers ? 1175387252 M * Bertl well, yes, I'm doing IT consulting :) 1175387299 M * phycho <-- good for nothing student here :-) 1175387353 M * slack101 << -- failing entrepreneur 1175387376 M * slack101 its funny how you can go from making so much money ...........to close to zero 1175387449 M * phycho heh 1175387455 M * phycho ouch 1175387460 M * slack101 yes very 1175387470 M * Bertl maybe something wrong with the business model? 1175387473 M * phycho ive recently started my business. its providing LAN parties for the local community. 1175387485 M * phycho theres a little money in it, but not much. enough to cover my girlfriends habits ;-) 1175387489 M * slack101 Bertl: things change 1175387512 M * phycho slack101 - what services is it that you offer? 1175387528 M * slack101 so now since i got like 10 people lined up for a VPS ........atleast thats 50 x 10 a month 1175387533 M * phycho heh 1175387538 M * slack101 well i was involved in shoe distrbution 1175387541 M * slack101 distro 1175387546 M * phycho ah k 1175387557 M * slack101 distribution 1175387559 M * slack101 * 1175387562 A * phycho does some work for a company that make quite a bit on VPS 1175387574 M * phycho well, compaired with what they are paying for the host node :-) 1175387585 M * Bertl there is good money in shoes :) 1175387587 M * phycho shame i dont get paid. heh. 1175387589 M * slack101 vps is the most profitable seems in the hosting area atm 1175387593 M * phycho yep it is 1175387595 M * slack101 Bertl: there *was* 1175387660 M * trippeh Come over here, where the IT job market is superhot nowadays ;) 1175387707 M * slack101 ey phycho i could use you maybe ............money involved too ........ ;) 1175387714 M * slack101 i stilll got quite a bit of money saved up 1175387717 A * trippeh has about one good job offer every week - and I'm not even available for hire. 1175387722 M * phycho heh 1175387734 M * slack101 if you work for a VPS company that is 1175387738 M * phycho i do. 1175387744 M * slack101 *cries* 1175387771 M * phycho they use openvz. 1175387781 A * phycho has no knowledge of vserver 1175387787 M * phycho played with it once a few years ago, thats about it really 1175387815 M * slack101 i am paying someone 3,500 usd .......to setup my server ........... 1 month passes and hes still not done 1175387826 M * phycho ouch! 1175387831 M * phycho what sort of server is it? 1175387848 M * slack101 just a server with linux vserver and php mysql and a few other things installed 1175387855 M * slack101 thats all i asked 1175387858 M * phycho shit lol 1175387862 M * slack101 30 days later 1175387864 M * slack101 nothing 1175387870 M * slack101 so i attempted to do a little myself 1175387881 M * phycho hah, i do a lot more than that with these guys i do work for, and dont get paid lol 1175387890 M * slack101 no money ? 1175387893 M * phycho put together slim custom distro templates etc 1175387895 M * Bertl slack101: bad investment of money, for 3.5k you would probably have gotten a deluxe install here :) 1175387915 M * slack101 Bertl: heinsight is always better ;) 1175387916 M * phycho slack101 - i get as many vps's and what not on the host node as i like 1175387918 M * phycho but thats about it. 1175387927 M * slack101 wow 1175387938 M * phycho they make a packet. ill bet on it 1175387944 M * slack101 how many people do they get ? 1175387945 M * phycho like 60+ people on a host node 1175387953 M * slack101 and they charge ? 1175387956 M * trippeh Paid in services, thats nearly always a bad sign :) 1175387961 M * phycho $15 for the cheapest plan 1175387966 M * phycho yeah transacid 1175387971 M * phycho *trippeh even 1175387976 M * slack101 heh ...........i think its a lil cheap for a vps 1175387985 M * phycho heh, not really 1175387993 M * phycho theres uk based ones now that run openvz and are £5 each 1175387999 M * slack101 i was looking to do around 35 1175388000 M * phycho for 300g xfer and 256MB ram 1175388004 M * slack101 lol 1175388009 M * slack101 hardware cost more then that 1175388014 M * phycho and thats UK.. colo/bandwidth is expensive here 1175388025 M * phycho yeah, but its made back in a few months through oversubscription 1175388052 M * slack101 you get more reliable people when you charge more 1175388056 M * Bertl slack101: you can put quite a number of guests on a moderate machine with this technology (200-300) 1175388071 M * slack101 200 - 300 what ? 1175388077 M * phycho guests per host node 1175388081 M * slack101 wow 1175388092 M * phycho the overhead is pretty small 1175388094 M * slack101 i was thinking more like 25 1175388101 M * phycho tbh, i prefer vserver over openvz for stability 1175388106 M * phycho openvz is easier to use though 1175388123 M * Bertl phycho: interesting .. could you elaborate on that? 1175388139 M * phycho Bertl - ive seen openvz guest nodes run out of ram with nothing running inside them. 1175388143 M * phycho memory leakage 1175388147 M * phycho kernel panics etc 1175388159 M * Bertl ahem, no, I actually meant the 'easier to use part' :) 1175388163 M * phycho ah 1175388172 M * phycho i dunno, i just find openvz's tools a lot easier to work with 1175388199 M * Bertl i.c. well, would be interesting to know what makes them easier to work with 1175388201 M * phycho better documenentation from what ive seen too (although i know you guys are working on the wiki) 1175388207 M * phycho *documentation 1175388216 M * Bertl okay, that is a good point 1175388221 M * slack101 how old are you phycho? 1175388225 M * phycho slack101 - almost 22 1175388230 M * slack101 ah 1175388244 M * slack101 << 19 here 1175388247 M * phycho slack101 - dont let the age fool you, ive been messing with networking kit since the age of 16. 1175388256 M * slack101 of course 1175388264 M * phycho :P 1175388270 M * slack101 i was doing the shoe thing throughout highschool 1175388275 M * phycho hehe 1175388283 M * slack101 almost failed 1175388289 M * phycho ouch 1175388301 A * Bertl has been messing with 'computers' at the age of 10 ... and that was 1980 :) 1175388308 M * phycho :) nice 1175388324 M * phycho at that age i was into electronics, got into computers at the end of primary school (14 or so) 1175388330 M * slack101 you live in the UK too ? 1175388335 M * phycho yeah, ayrshire. 1175388339 M * slack101 ah 1175388344 M * slack101 never been to UK 1175388347 M * slack101 well 1175388352 M * slack101 on vacation 1175388356 M * phycho heh, well ive never been out of it :-) 1175388364 M * Bertl (not yet) 1175388365 M * slack101 i was only in london 1175388373 M * phycho never been there 1175388388 M * slack101 i dont go out of miami to much either 1175388420 M * phycho ah 1175388426 A * phycho hates setting up damned gameservers 1175388432 M * slack101 south usa to be exact 1175388435 M * slack101 far south 1175388497 M * phycho zh 1175388498 M * phycho *ah 1175388509 M * phycho my gf has visited USA 1175388513 M * phycho went there last year 1175388514 M * slack101 nice place if you ever decide to visit 1175388522 M * slack101 what part? 1175388527 M * phycho will do when ive got the money to do so :-) 1175388539 M * phycho your guess is as good as mine on that one, i didnt know her that well 6months ago 1175388548 M * slack101 ah 1175388556 M * slack101 i dont mess with northern usa to much 1175388564 M * phycho havent been going out long - this will be the 4th month ;-) 1175388572 M * slack101 take me days to get to NY by car 1175388576 M * phycho heh 1175388585 M * slack101 4 months is pretty long really lol 1175388600 M * phycho yeh 1175388608 M * phycho not one arguement yet 1175388609 M * phycho its weird 1175388610 M * phycho lol 1175388621 M * phycho although im about £750 worse off :x 1175388634 M * slack101 only 12 months in a year ....... 1175388637 M * phycho yep 1175388638 M * slack101 things go by fast 1175388651 M * phycho sure do 1175388657 M * slack101 i got a new gf myself .........but about to drop it 1175388695 M * slack101 i got a girl who i really like ish ...... 1175388755 M * phycho heh 1175388865 M * slack101 plus i need to focus on setting this ting up for another month 1175388920 M * phycho yeah 1175388927 M * phycho i hope u didnt pay that guy b4 he did the job 1175388941 M * slack101 i always pay in advance 1175388957 M * slack101 i can get it back 1175388964 M * phycho ah 1175388981 M * slack101 the hope of mine was to pay good get doe in like 3-4 days 1175388985 M * slack101 done* 1175388987 M * phycho id never pay anyone in advance for shit ike that 1175388988 M * phycho yeh 1175388994 M * phycho its not a big job tbh 1175389001 M * slack101 now we are going on 30 days 1175389006 M * slack101 and he says it will be done tom 1175389013 M * slack101 yet i am sure i will get another excuse 1175389018 M * phycho took me a few hours to do my webserver, its lighttpd, mysql/php, etc, all chrooted, suexec,fastcgi.. tightened up to hell 1175389021 M * slack101 and hes avaliable like half the time 1175389060 M * phycho shitty 1175389070 M * slack101 sorry quarter of the tme 1175389078 M * slack101 wont pick up my calls anymor 1175389078 M * slack101 e 1175389082 M * phycho :/ 1175389090 M * slack101 yea i know 1175389091 M * phycho sounds like hes done a bunk with your cash tbh 1175389109 M * slack101 i know but i jus imed him and he said its almost done 1175389122 M * phycho k 1175389132 M * slack101 hopefully it is 1175389184 M * slack101 i really jus need to get off the computer and irc .......i am beginning to hate this thing 1175389198 M * phycho heh 1175389237 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1175389258 M * slack101 phycho: i am jus going to uuse this money to fund my future projects and save a little money up 1175389282 M * slack101 50 customers payiing 35.00 a month atm sounds great for not having to do all to much 1175389301 M * phycho yea 1175389329 M * slack101 and summer time is coming up here in miami 1175389347 M * slack101 and i really jus wanna have fun this summer and not worry about money 1175389389 M * Bertl slack101: hope your 'future customers' are not going to read the channle log :) 1175389495 M * slack101 lol 1175389504 M * slack101 im just a person 1175389550 M * trippeh 50*35 barely covers rent here :P 1175389665 M * phycho heh 1175390289 Q * cehteh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175390394 Q * sc0tt Server closed connection 1175390395 J * sc0tt ~scott@209.51.169.84 1175390409 M * Bertl wb sc0tt! 1175390588 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org 1175390790 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-55-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1175393867 M * slack101 trippeh: serious ? 1175394167 Q * ntrs Quit: Leaving 1175394868 M * trippeh slack101: After 30-40% income tax, yep, that would cover a small to medium sized apartment 1175394904 M * trippeh But then again, average income levels compensates for it 1175396356 M * slack101 trippeh: where you live ? 1175396824 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1175397096 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1175397101 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1175398424 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175398533 M * slack101 phycho: you still up ? 1175398951 J * softi42 ~softi@p549d4b58.dip.t-dialin.net 1175399351 Q * pflanze Quit: [x]chat 1175400561 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175405550 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4E8A8.dip.t-dialin.net 1175407616 Q * besonen_mobile Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175408970 J * besonen_mobile ~besonen_m@71-220-225-182.eugn.qwest.net 1175412843 J * dna ~naucki@191-243-dsl.kielnet.net 1175413023 Q * dna 1175416131 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-137-78.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr 1175416151 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.201 1175416238 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175416603 J * |gerrit| ~|gerrit|@dslb-084-060-228-090.pools.arcor-ip.net 1175417371 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175419199 J * id23 ~id@213.155.87.73 1175419205 M * id23 hi #vserver 1175419360 M * daniel_hozac hello 1175419668 J * ema ~ema@rtfm.galliera.it 1175419791 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-230-213.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1175421579 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1175422970 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1175423359 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-2860.adsl.interware.hu 1175424516 J * mattzerah_ ~matt@121.50.222.55 1175424516 Q * mattzerah Remote host closed the connection 1175424881 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann 1175425182 J * b0c1k4 ~boci@pool-2860.adsl.interware.hu 1175425614 Q * b0c1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175425640 J * jmcaricand ~kvirc@d90-144-84-88.cust.tele2.fr 1175426583 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175428624 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection 1175432075 M * matti ROTFL 1175432076 M * matti http://xkcd.com/c242.html 1175432979 M * trippeh Hmm, sometimes when I create a new vserver guest, I get a runaway login process in the guest 1175433006 M * trippeh In vtop it shows up with process name vcontext, in vps as login 1175433064 M * daniel_hozac trippeh: that should hopefully be fixed in util-vserver trunk 1175433166 M * trippeh Ah, right, so when is the release due? :-P 1175434836 J * Asmodeo ~chatzilla@151.66.6.251 1175435834 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1175435837 M * Bertl morning folks! 1175436027 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-61-136-122.bhm.bellsouth.net 1175436044 M * softi42 hi Bertl 1175436950 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-release-vs2.2.0.diff 1175436967 M * Bertl (final changes, should not affect anything) 1175437405 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175437763 J * click click@ti511110a080-4806.bb.online.no 1175438354 J * Asmodeo_ ~chatzilla@151.66.2.101 1175438485 Q * Asmodeo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175438487 N * Asmodeo_ Asmodeo 1175438753 J * Asmodeo_ ~chatzilla@151.66.6.251 1175438953 Q * waldi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175438964 J * Asmodeo__ ~chatzilla@151.66.4.1 1175439084 Q * Asmodeo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175439097 N * Asmodeo__ Asmodeo 1175439380 Q * Asmodeo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175439501 M * Bertl Asmodeo: troubles with your client? 1175439572 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: looks good to me. 1175439815 M * slack101 Bom Dia! 1175440143 J * Asmodeo__ ~chatzilla@151.66.2.69 1175440224 Q * Asmodeo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175440231 N * Asmodeo__ Asmodeo 1175441995 M * id23 bye #vserver & Bertl gotta go.... 1175442026 M * Bertl id23: cya! 1175442030 Q * id23 Quit: Leaving 1175442585 Q * matti Quit: 8-X 1175442901 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-20-183.dclient.hispeed.ch 1175443616 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1175443869 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1175444104 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1175444256 J * dna ~naucki@61-235-dsl.kielnet.net 1175444336 J * b0c1 ~boci@pool-2860.adsl.interware.hu 1175444592 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, if nothing went terribly wrong, we have a release ... 1175444673 M * matti Hi B. 1175444679 M * Bertl hey matti! 1175444732 T * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.2.0, 2.0.3-rc2, devel 2.3.0.12, stable+grsec 2.0.2.1, 2.2.0-rc21 | util-vserver-0.30.212, 0.30.213-rc5 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the Wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1175444774 Q * b0c1k4 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175444813 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: great! thanks a lot! 1175444827 M * Bertl thank you for your help! 1175444944 M * daniel_hozac i haven't done much recently though ;) 1175444974 M * matti daniel_hozac: Don't be so shy tho. 1175444975 M * matti ;] 1175445038 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, the cleanup for the release seems to be missing from 2.6.19.7-vs2.2.0? 1175445230 M * Bertl ah, from the patch maybe, it should be in the split 1175445235 M * Bertl will fix that up in place 1175445274 M * daniel_hozac okay, great! 1175445310 M * Bertl yeah, I copied the wrong one :) 1175445326 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1175445537 M * cehteh hey vserver got $93 dontated :P 1175445574 M * matti Yeaah! 1175445590 M * matti Now we can buy Bertl ice creams ;] 1175445595 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, should all be updated by now 1175445595 M * matti ;-) 1175445603 M * daniel_hozac okay, i'll redownload them to helios. 1175445614 M * Bertl tx 1175445619 M * daniel_hozac was the 2.6.20.4 patch updated as well? 1175445623 M * Bertl yep 1175445656 M * Bertl I would ask somebody to go throuhg the feature matrix and update that as wel 1175445687 M * Bertl +l and add 2.3 there too :) 1175446084 M * daniel_hozac does http://linux-vserver.org/index.php?title=Template:CurrentPatchTable&curid=1440&diff=2427&oldid=2425&rcid=1146 look sane to you? 1175446102 M * daniel_hozac (i moved 2.2 up) 1175446197 M * Bertl looks sane to me 1175446395 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175446855 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back in a few hours ... 1175446860 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1175447667 J * dna ~naucki@105-197-dsl.kielnet.net 1175447734 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175449412 J * harti ~Hartmut@85-124-100-151.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1175449560 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175450047 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1175452101 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1175452104 M * Bertl back now 1175452370 J * Jaffa Jaffa@89.136.73.182 1175452404 P * Jaffa 1175452945 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175453347 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175453367 J * ard ~ard@goatse.kwaak.net 1175453437 Q * harti Quit: Client exiting 1175454111 Q * jmcaricand Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/ 1175454298 Q * slack101 Quit: Leaving. 1175454354 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175454961 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: is there anything wrong with the util-vserver specfile that means it can't build on mandriva? 1175455455 M * Bertl hmm, good question, I can check if you like :) 1175455499 M * daniel_hozac sure, i was just somewhat confused about the versioning you used :) 1175455541 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1371 1175455599 M * daniel_hozac ah, okay. 1175455637 M * daniel_hozac what are the packages named instead? 1175455675 M * Bertl the tex/doc is not installed 1175455693 M * daniel_hozac so --without doc should disable that check. 1175455730 M * Bertl iproute2 and lib(64)beecrypt6-devel 1175455923 M * daniel_hozac hmm, your spec has some rather odd changes. 1175455939 M * Bertl I think they are _very_ historical :) 1175455964 M * Bertl i.e. I do not spend much time on the spec, I just take the old one, check for changes in your spec files and update if appropriate 1175456016 M * Bertl so I'm perfectly fine with a working upstream spec file 1175456029 M * Bertl usually the problem is that it doesn't work on my systems :) 1175456055 M * daniel_hozac IMHO the only thing that needs changing is the BuildRequires. 1175456080 M * Bertl let's see on one of the older systems :) 1175456122 M * daniel_hozac don't your packages overwrite the configuration files? 1175456135 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1372 1175456154 M * Bertl second one is now building with --nodeps 1175456451 M * matti B as Bertl 1175456455 M * matti d as daniel! 1175456456 M * matti ;] 1175456474 A * matti loves Sesame Street ;] 1175456478 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1373 1175456493 M * daniel_hozac i think you create the /etc/vservers/.defaults/cachebase link incorrectly (pointing to /var/run/cache/vservers). 1175456495 M * matti Who will be the Big Bird? 1175456496 M * matti ;] 1175456508 M * daniel_hozac and handling of the util-vserver initscript is missing. 1175456518 M * matti Sorry folks... ;/ 1175456543 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, mandriva's rpm doesn't know %check? 1175456566 M * daniel_hozac that seems... really weird. 1175456585 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: obviously not on Mandrake 8.2 :) 1175456602 M * daniel_hozac ah, old system, that explains it :) 1175456616 M * Bertl as I said, the rpms have to work on a broad range 1175456631 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure they work at all ;) 1175456660 M * daniel_hozac but really, that should be easily fixed by adding || : to the %check line. 1175456719 M * daniel_hozac but you don't seem to change that in your spec. how does that work on the same system? 1175456789 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1175456795 M * daniel_hozac hmm, the %check already has || :. 1175456872 M * Bertl but I'm always open to testing alternatives 1175456891 M * Bertl I'm not very fond of maintaining those rpms :) 1175456939 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175456982 M * daniel_hozac IMHO the only functional difference between the two specs are the BuildRequires. 1175457003 M * Bertl and the disabled doc, and the disabled check 1175457015 M * daniel_hozac --without doc disables the docs. 1175457021 M * daniel_hozac at least, it should. 1175457030 M * daniel_hozac AFAICT you don't do anything to disable the check. 1175457178 M * Bertl checking 1175457359 M * daniel_hozac is that util-vserver-devel package of yours installable? 1175457433 M * Bertl I just found out that I'm obviously missed a few patches 1175457455 M * Bertl to make it compile on older versions ... will check it shortly 1175457480 M * daniel_hozac IMHO --without doc --define 'check exit 0' should do the trick with the vanilla spec. 1175457567 M * daniel_hozac (after fixing the BuildRequires, that is) 1175457810 M * Bertl okay, let me try that 1175457868 M * Bertl it that works, can this be put into the spec easily? 1175457878 M * Bertl i.e. with a sed script or so? 1175457881 M * daniel_hozac the BuildRequires? 1175457901 M * Bertl and the build options 1175457930 M * daniel_hozac i suppose s/!?_without_doc/?_with_doc/ should invert the logic. 1175457978 M * daniel_hozac and adding %global check exit 0 somewhere near the top of the spec shouldn't be that hard either. 1175458009 M * Bertl looks good! thanks! 1175458057 M * Bertl so I will adjust the spec file to have the proper mdv/k signature and the given defaults 1175458089 M * Bertl how can the 'check exit 0' be implemented? %check='exit 0' or so? 1175458123 M * daniel_hozac what do you mean? 1175458260 M * Bertl how can I move the options --without doc --define 'check exit 0' into the spec file 1175458280 M * Bertl (with a minimum of changes) 1175458291 M * daniel_hozac 22:06 < daniel_hozac> and adding %global check exit 0 somewhere near the top of the spec shouldn't be that hard either. 1175458294 M * daniel_hozac ;) 1175458296 M * Bertl I'll fix up the (Build)Requires too 1175458300 M * Bertl ah 1175458396 P * b0c1 Távozom 1175458536 M * Nam is there a way to stop a vguest without having it deactivate ip addresses it's using?... if two vguests are both using the IP, and one of them is shut down, i don't want the ip to be shut down for the other vguests 1175458544 M * Nam i haven't actualy tried that yet 1175458562 M * Bertl vkill? 1175458593 M * Nam but I do know that when I stop a vguest, it deactivates the interface for the host system, so I have to re-dhcpcd when stopping a vguest right now 1175458607 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1175458632 M * daniel_hozac have you given the guest the host's IP address, and not set nodev? 1175458710 M * Nam i ran vserver build with "--interface eth0:ip.add.re.ss/mask" 1175458733 M * daniel_hozac with what address? the host's? 1175458748 M * Nam yup, the one assigned by dhcp 1175458759 M * Nam which is actually static 1175458761 M * Nam just for testing 1175458871 M * daniel_hozac so, you tell the utils to handle the address, yet you're surprised when it does? 1175458962 M * Nam where does it say that i'm surprised?... hehehe, I'm asking for a solution 1175458973 M * daniel_hozac tell the utils not to handle the address. 1175459001 M * daniel_hozac i.e. rm -f /etc/vservers//interfaces//dev; touch /etc/vservers//interfaces//nodev. 1175459102 M * Nam thx, i'll try that once the current vserver is finished building 1175459116 M * Nam mind if i ask a few questions about that while i'm waiting? 1175459131 M * daniel_hozac no. 1175459180 M * Nam in removing /etc/vservers//interfaces//dev , is each ip added to a "eth0" device within the virtual host? 1175459217 M * daniel_hozac the dev file just tells the utils where they should add the address. 1175459264 M * Nam so if I have two ip addresses say... /etc/vservers//interfaces/0/ip and /etc/vservers//interfaces/1/ip when the vguest is started, would they appear as eth0 ..... ahhh. ok, so what ever it is setup on the host, it would be in the guest 1175459268 M * Nam correct? 1175459303 M * daniel_hozac whatever IP addresses are present on the host and the guest is permitted to use will show up inside it. 1175459320 M * Nam excellent, makes sense 1175459362 M * Nam thx for the answers :) 1175459404 M * Nam i love your guys project, and as i've told Bertl, as soon as our company has gotten our product released, i'm going to make sure my boss donates some money to you guys 1175459429 M * Nam we are using this project in a CPanel/Plesk replacement 1175459441 M * Asmodeo Hello 1175459450 M * Bertl Nam: sounds good :) 1175459470 M * Asmodeo I have a question about sound 1175459486 M * Bertl Asmodeo: yes? 1175459495 M * Asmodeo There is way into a guest vserver to have sound working? 1175459506 M * daniel_hozac "sound" meaning ALSA? 1175459507 M * Bertl sure, many ways I would assume ... 1175459524 M * Asmodeo yes ALSA 1175459538 M * Asmodeo and in the host it works fine 1175459564 M * Asmodeo but into the guest it doen't work 1175459598 M * Bertl did you copy the alsa devices into the guest? 1175459598 M * daniel_hozac have you copied the required device nodes into the guest? 1175459604 M * daniel_hozac e.g. /dev/snd/* 1175459629 M * Asmodeo frankly speaking ... no 1175459644 M * Nam hm... one thing i've wondered about this.... can you run X in a guest... perhaps run X in multiple guests at the same time? Don't know if I could ever actually use it... but just wondering 1175459650 M * Asmodeo I didn't know at all what to do :-) 1175459655 M * Bertl Asmodeo: well, then it is not too unusual that it doesn't work :) 1175459665 M * daniel_hozac Nam: yes, see e.g. http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/MoreUbuntu 1175459683 M * Bertl Asmodeo: try to copy devices which are related to alsa (check with strace -fF) 1175459693 M * Nam cp -frap /dev/snd /vservers//dev/ 1175459701 M * Nam that would work right? 1175459724 M * Asmodeo I will try 1175459728 M * Nam wait 1175459735 M * daniel_hozac well, -a implies -r and -p, so cp -fa should be fine. 1175459737 M * Nam get verification of that 1175459749 M * Nam there ya go ;) 1175459754 M * Nam i just wanted to make sure 1175459784 M * Nam yea, -r/-p are taken care of by -a... i do it out of habit 1175459899 M * Nam cool daniel_hozac, thx for the info on that... i might try that out one day... when I have a powerful enough system to take advantage of it, hehehe 1175459920 M * Nam one instance of KDE running at a time is enough as it is, hahaha 1175460036 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: is that soemthing you can live with? http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/MANDRAKE/util-vserver-0.30.213-rc5.spec 1175460044 M * Asmodeo it works great now. Thanks ! 1175460176 M * Bertl Asmodeo: excellent! 1175460205 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: IMHO the 1mdv should be at the end of the release, but it looks fine to me. does it work too? :) 1175460255 M * Bertl the problem with at-the end is that it doesn't allow to use - in the version 1175460279 M * daniel_hozac hmm? 1175460280 M * Bertl so that would be 0.rc5.1mdv or so, which is _very_ strange 1175460309 M * Bertl IMHO it _should be 0.30.213rc5-1mdv 1175460320 M * daniel_hozac that's not upgrade safe. 1175460329 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.213 < 0.30.213rc5. 1175460338 M * Asmodeo sorry but I have another "probably silly" question 1175460361 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: well, man, then release 0.30.213 :) 1175460370 M * daniel_hozac that's the reason the release is the way it is now. 1175460386 M * daniel_hozac to create proper upgrade paths across pre/rcs to release, etc. 1175460408 M * daniel_hozac haha, yeah, i really should. i need to take some time and really look at the helper issues though. 1175460422 M * Asmodeo I'm installlig misterhouse into a vserver and when I try to run the init script to start it up 1175460425 M * Bertl do you know how I test for 64bit? 1175460432 M * Bertl (that was for daniel_hozac) 1175460454 M * daniel_hozac no, how do you? 1175460458 M * Asmodeo it's telling me that the lo network interface doesn't exist 1175460476 M * Bertl not at all, atm, but I would like to test for 64bit in the spec file, because of the libraries 1175460490 M * Bertl Asmodeo: which is true and fine, so? 1175460498 M * daniel_hozac oh, haha. i misunderstood the question. 1175460522 M * daniel_hozac i suppose %ifarch x86_64 ia64 ppc64 ppc64iseries... %endif would do the trick. 1175460544 M * Asmodeo Bertl: should I then simply modify the script taking out the dependancy to the net? 1175460568 M * daniel_hozac Asmodeo: seems like the path of least resistence at least. 1175460629 Q * |gerrit| Quit: Loqui 1175460658 M * Asmodeo daniel_hozac: sorry but what do you mean? I'm not sure I understood your suggestion 1175460671 M * daniel_hozac Asmodeo: that was my fancy way of saying yes ;) 1175460717 M * Asmodeo sorry! I still need to learn English better :-) 1175460754 M * daniel_hozac nah, i just have a tendency to overcomplicate my sentences. 1175460910 J * dna ~naucki@80-222-dsl.kielnet.net 1175460993 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: nice one :) 1175461001 M * Asmodeo ok now misterhouse start but the script it's telling me that it doesn't 1175461042 M * Bertl many scripts are strange .. e.g. the debian sshd start scripts tell you that it started regardless of the actual state :) 1175461139 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1175461264 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1175461359 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1175461481 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1175461531 J * [VASCO]D1eg0_ ze_pequeno@201-25-210-134.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br 1175461542 Q * [VASCO]D1eg0_ 1175461598 Q * arachnist Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175461728 J * arachnist arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl 1175461927 A * FaUl allways reads anarchist instead of arachnist 1175461956 Q * Asmodeo Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007032112] 1175462213 M * Bertl FaUl: wishful thinking? 1175462223 M * FaUl Bertl: maybe ;-) 1175462529 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1175462786 J * slack101 ~root@cpe-71-65-58-25.insight.res.rr.com 1175463116 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1175463451 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1175463512 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I updated the spec once again, the current seems to compile on all my systems (checking now) 1175463716 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do we have recent fc6 packages? 1175463725 M * Bertl i.e. kernel and tools? 1175463815 M * daniel_hozac kernel is at rc19 right now, will update to the final tomorrow. 1175463823 M * daniel_hozac tools are still at 0.30.212. 1175463862 M * Bertl okay, can you give me a link to the kernel packages? 1175463877 M * daniel_hozac http://rpm.hozac.com/dhozac/fedora/6/vserver/ 1175463881 M * Bertl tx 1175463927 M * Bertl do you keep older kernels around too? 1175463946 M * daniel_hozac no, just the two most recent ones. 1175463960 M * daniel_hozac why? 1175463964 M * Bertl but you have them archived somewhere? 1175463973 M * daniel_hozac well, i can rebuild them... 1175463983 M * daniel_hozac i've got the sources in CVS. 1175463988 M * Bertl hmm, sec ... 1175464262 M * Bertl ah, okay, and util-vserver for fc6? 1175464290 M * daniel_hozac http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/extras/6/ 1175464311 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. available from Fedora Extras) 1175464329 M * Bertl perfect, tx, a friend of mine wants to give it a try ... 1175464367 M * daniel_hozac cool! 1175464376 M * Bertl hmm, spec file fails with this: 1175464384 M * Bertl Could not open %files file /usr/src/rpm/BUILD/util-vserver-0.30.213-rc5/debugfiles.list: No such file or directory 1175464397 M * Bertl strange, I think it worked before ... 1175464470 M * daniel_hozac hmm, that must be created/added by your rpm. 1175464502 M * Bertl do the fc6 tools have the ubuntu fix? 1175464514 M * Bertl i.e. the changes required for ubuntu to install? 1175464514 M * daniel_hozac the namespace thing? no. 1175464527 M * daniel_hozac they're pretty much vanilla 0.30.212. 1175464529 M * Bertl can he get a version which has that fix? 1175464586 M * daniel_hozac that fix is only in trunk right now, so he'd have to build from that. 1175464601 M * Bertl he doesn't know/want to build stuff ... 1175464622 M * Bertl do you have a test package you could upload or so? 1175464732 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1175464919 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1175465299 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/uv/experimental/ 1175465307 M * daniel_hozac built on FC5, but they should work fine on FC6 too. 1175465414 M * Bertl okay, tx 1175465464 M * Bertl hmm, i386? 1175465493 M * Bertl and rc6?! 1175465523 M * Bertl should I update the rpms to rc6 too? 1175465543 M * Bertl btw, the devel file list issue remains even with a -tb build 1175465617 M * Bertl (that is on mandriva 2007 now) 1175465621 M * trippeh daniel_hozac: Is there a tarball available somewhere os rc6? 1175465625 M * trippeh of, even 1175465677 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i've only got i386 on my workstation ;) 1175465690 M * daniel_hozac tarball is in the usual place, i.e. http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/ 1175465730 M * daniel_hozac not much has changed since rc5, mostly debootstrap stuff (e.g. ubuntu, remove guest in case of failure) 1175465731 M * Bertl ah, great, will try now, maybe the develfiles issue is gone 1175465762 M * daniel_hozac what develfiles issue? i thought it was debugfiles? 1175465773 M * Bertl debugfiles, yep, sorry 1175465789 M * Bertl rpm -tb --without doc --define 'check exit 0' --nodeps util-vserver-0.30.213-rc6.tar.bz2 1175465797 M * Bertl (trying now) 1175465809 J * Aiken ~james@ppp250-73.lns2.bne4.internode.on.net 1175465818 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1175465865 M * Aiken hi 1175465910 M * daniel_hozac well, IMHO nothing is touching debugfiles.list, and the generation works quite fine here on FC6... will look at it tomorrow though. 1175465940 M * daniel_hozac i need to get some sleep though, so good night and have fun! 1175465951 M * Bertl okay, have a good night! 1175466488 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@2001:5c0:84dc:1:211:9ff:feca:b042 1175467015 M * mnemoc how does vserver react to sysrq? can sysrq umount things from namespaces? 1175467019 M * mnemoc (hi ,-) 1175467311 M * Bertl interesting question ... 1175467334 M * Bertl mnemoc: where do you make the sysrq? 1175467863 M * mnemoc i would like to use http://marek.terminus.sk/prog/ipt_sysrq.shtml to be able to restart remote servers 1175467918 M * mnemoc i'm not sure yet if it just triggers kernel's SYSRQ or implement it's own 1175468829 M * mnemoc kernel's 1175468950 M * Bertl well, give it a try 1175469068 M * mnemoc on my next vserver i'll try it, but i don't know how to see after the reboot if the partitions on the namepsaces of the guest were umount-ed or not :\ 1175469254 M * mnemoc i also wonder if /proc/sysrq-trigger is available on guests or not :p 1175469681 M * Bertl ahem? 1175469696 M * Bertl no, by default is is _not_ visible inside a guest 1175469773 M * mnemoc i have never enabled sysrq before, i'm pretty newbie on that 1175469824 M * mnemoc great to know, i also saw comments on some slides from enrico so i have big hopes in ipt_sysrq to work properly :) 1175469838 M * mnemoc comments about normal sysrq i mean 1175470239 Q * slack101 Quit: Leaving. 1175470587 M * Bertl http://www.google.com/tisp/ 1175470727 M * mnemoc .oO 1175470779 M * mnemoc "Google has formed an international consortium of utility companies, sewage system experts, toilet manufacturers, and plumbers to develop solutions to the many problems facing all "dark porcelain"-based data-delivery innovators." 1175470837 M * arachnist http://iobsd.org/ <| lol 1175470992 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1175471051 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1175471052 N * _mcp mcp 1175471059 Q * dannf Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1175471677 M * Bertl hehe, ThinkGeek is funny too :) 1175471838 M * Bertl I like that one: 1175471842 M * Bertl http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/lebedev.shtml