1173052843 Q * the-me Remote host closed the connection 1173053659 J * ard_ ~ard@goatse.kwaak.net 1173053664 Q * ard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173053664 J * spy6 ~bombadil@bofh.lx.se 1173053676 Q * spion Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173053731 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173053789 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-147-90-140.bhm.bellsouth.net 1173058074 Q * ruskie Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server. 1173058276 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net 1173059093 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173059688 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D76F8.dip.t-dialin.net 1173061829 J * dmax ~semaj@81.193.56.181 1173066422 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173066787 J * infowolfe_ ~infowolfe@c-67-164-195-129.hsd1.ut.comcast.net 1173066802 Q * infowolfe Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173067507 Q * Johnnie Remote host closed the connection 1173067549 J * click click@ti511110a080-0949.bb.online.no 1173067648 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173068440 M * micah i'm having a problem with a vserver that occasionally is loosing network connectivity on one of its interfaces 1173068453 M * micah the host can ping 10.0.1.2 fine, but the vserver cannot, at some later time it returns 1173068477 M * micah i'm really baffled by it 1173068566 M * micah this is using 2.0.2.2-rc9 on 2.6.18, i've been using a number of kernels previously with different patches with the same result 1173068967 M * micah when I ping from the vserver to 10.0.1.2 I can see with tcpdump that 10.0.1.2 gets the ICMP echo request and sends a reply 1173069052 M * daniel_hozac have you checked the ARP table on 10.0.1.2, to make sure it's going to the correct host? 1173069076 M * micah doing a tcpdump on the host that houses the vserver in question, it only sees the ICMP echo request, and no reply 1173069082 M * micah i'll look 1173069129 M * micah no, it thinks 10.0.1.7 ether 00:30:6E:5D:BD:1E C eth2 1173069150 M * micah but the mac address of the host that has 10.0.1.7 is 00:30:6e:5d:bc:56 1173069169 M * daniel_hozac so it looks like you have another host claiming to be 10.0.1.7. 1173069170 M * micah that seems like maybe people are fighting over the ip 1173069207 M * micah now to find the culprit, not easy to do 1173069673 M * micah i found you!! 1173070822 Q * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173071646 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de 1173071657 J * DoberMann_ ~james@AToulouse-156-1-174-157.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr 1173071846 Q * m`m`h Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173071850 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173071851 N * Loki|muh_ Loki|muh 1173072184 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@jdlewis.org 1173073197 J * m`m`h ~simba@deb30.mgts.by 1173075656 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-231-108.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1173078941 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F9BA.dip.t-dialin.net 1173079367 N * DoberMann_ DoberMann 1173079913 Q * grobie Remote host closed the connection 1173080960 J * Fire_Egl ~FireEgl@adsl-147-79-141.bhm.bellsouth.net 1173081007 J * gab ~gab@158.36.45.236 1173081300 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173082077 N * spy6 spion 1173082531 Q * cdrx Quit: Leaving 1173082533 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1173082549 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1173084693 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1173085739 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCD158.dip.t-dialin.net 1173085893 Q * Greek0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173086359 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1173088139 Q * ||Cobra|| Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173088301 Q * fs cation.oftc.net galapagos.oftc.net 1173088402 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204 1173088544 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1173089942 J * dlezcano_ ~dlezcano@blueice2n1.uk.ibm.com 1173089947 M * dlezcano_ hi all 1173090184 M * daniel_hozac hi 1173090624 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1173090641 M * Bertl morning folks! 1173090734 M * Bertl that was and adventure :) first our plane caught fire :) then the baggage was lost in action (probably sent to the wrong destination :) 1173090768 M * Bertl all-in-all 20+ hours travelling/waiting/whatever 1173090788 M * sid3windr heh 1173090790 M * sid3windr where did you go? :) 1173090810 M * Bertl well, I returned from Boston (home to Vienna) 1173090826 M * sid3windr aha 1173090829 M * sid3windr american airlines? 1173090849 M * Bertl British Airways 1173090865 M * sid3windr :) 1173090868 M * sid3windr terrorist act! 1173090940 M * Bertl well, I made it ... that's at least something 1173091141 M * sid3windr :) 1173092201 M * derjohn Bertl, fire inside or outside ? Have you been in the plane during "Light my fire" ? 1173092589 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.41.2 1173092924 Q * mire Quit: Leaving 1173093414 M * Bertl derjohn: no, we were queued up for departure, cabin crew was already on board ... then the fire fighters sealed the area/plane and got rid of 'a fire in the back of the plane' 1173095348 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173095603 Q * Fire_Egl Remote host closed the connection 1173096436 J * cdrx ~legoater@blueice1n1.uk.ibm.com 1173097078 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-147-79-141.bhm.bellsouth.net 1173097177 Q * fs osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * spion osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * ard_ osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * nou osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * DoberMann osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * transacid osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * tamitall osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * doener osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * Guy- osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * bXi osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * Roey osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * mountie osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097177 Q * baldy osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * DreamerC osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * phedny osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * virtuoso osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * neuralis osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * AndrewLee osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * TrueBrain osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * Bertl osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * dmax osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * sid3windr osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * sladen osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * bj osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * nox osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * mnemoc osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * s0undt3ch osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * Adrinael osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * fosco_ osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * matti osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * micah osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * brcc_ osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * jkl osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * cohan_ osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * ex osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * click osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * shedi osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * phreak`` osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097178 Q * Hunger osmotic.oftc.net cation.oftc.net 1173097187 J * dmax ~semaj@81.193.56.181 1173097187 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@80.69.34.154 1173097187 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1173097187 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de 1173097187 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net 1173097187 J * bj ~bj@insanefactory.com 1173097187 J * fosco_ fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org 1173097187 J * Adrinael adrinael@st12-127.tky.hut.fi 1173097187 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1173097187 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1173097187 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1173097338 J * DoberMann ~james@AToulouse-156-1-174-157.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr 1173097338 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de 1173097338 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@125-225-101-249.dynamic.hinet.net 1173097338 J * baldy ~baldy@pptp.dial.ipv6-network.de 1173097338 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com 1173097338 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net 1173097338 J * neuralis ~krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu 1173097338 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk 1173097338 J * Guy- DHSVGMWjSQ@chardonnay.math.bme.hu 1173097338 J * phedny ~mark@ip56538143.direct-adsl.nl 1173097338 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251 1173097338 J * TrueBrain truelight@openttd.org 1173097338 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw 1173097338 J * doener ~doener@host.magicwars.de 1173097338 J * Bertl herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at 1173097338 J * tamitall ~tam@gw.nettam.com 1173097387 J * brcc_ bruce@i.am.someasshole.com 1173097387 J * jkl 3VCgv8fEI1@c-67-173-253-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1173097387 J * cohan_ ~cohan@koniczek.de 1173097387 J * ex ex@81.219.196.129 1173097407 J * click click@ti511110a080-0949.bb.online.no 1173097407 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1173097407 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org 1173097407 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1173097489 J * spion ~bombadil@bofh.lx.se 1173097500 J * ard_ ~ard@goatse.kwaak.net 1173097500 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org 1173097603 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1173098903 J * _Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1173099022 Q * Hunger Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173099608 Q * spion Remote host closed the connection 1173099657 M * Bertl now I know why I do not use Ubuntu on my desktop! most of the apps I use every day are not even available there :) 1173099847 M * waldi *prust* 1173100600 M * sid3windr Bertl: did you add universe and multiverse repositories? :) 1173100612 M * sid3windr stuff like "joe" isn't even available unless you use multiverse :) 1173101361 M * Bertl sid3windr: yep 1173101398 M * Bertl sid3windr: but check for yourself: multi-gnome-terminal, nedit, sawfish/metacity 1173101414 M * Bertl sid3windr: was feisty, IIRC 1173101446 M * sid3windr oh :) 1173101697 A * Wonka needs nvi, midnight commander (incl. mcedit), rxvt-unicode, fluxbox 1173101705 M * Wonka at least. 1173101714 M * Wonka links2, firefox, wget too 1173101973 M * eyck I saw more failures caused by admins using mcedit then caused by hardware problems, or any other single cause of failures 1173101977 M * eyck hmm 1173101985 M * eyck or should it be 'I have seen' 1173102406 M * Wonka there are some things which i just find more comfortable with mcedit 1173102428 M * Wonka but yes, there are too many PEBCAK errors 1173103296 Q * m`m`h Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173103909 J * dreamind ~dreamind@p54A79966.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1173103922 M * Bertl welcome dreamind! 1173103937 M * dreamind Hi Bertl :D 1173103940 M * dreamind hi folks :) 1173104268 J * m`m`h ~simba@deb30.mgts.by 1173104793 M * Bertl nap attack .. back later ... 1173104798 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1173105847 Q * lylix Remote host closed the connection 1173106069 Q * _Hunger charon.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net 1173106069 Q * shedi charon.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net 1173106069 Q * click charon.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net 1173106069 Q * phreak`` charon.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net 1173106222 Q * gab Quit: Leaving 1173108245 M * meandtheshell Bertl_zZ: DebianGNU/Linux has them all - (just looked around in SID aka unstable) 1173108262 M * meandtheshell testing and stable may have them as well ... 1173108285 M * sid3windr ... :) 1173108380 M * meandtheshell Bertl_zZ: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages if you don't want to use the CLI interface to lookup packages 1173108574 M * meandtheshell about Ubuntu I can't tell - I never used (tried it a few times but why when there is debian) it and probably never will 1173108666 M * meandtheshell hint - use emacs and you don't need nedit and gnome-multi-terminal anyways :) 1173108962 M * ruskie or vim :) 1173109360 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173109435 M * sid3windr "why when there is debian" ? more than enough reasons I switched my desktops ;) 1173109508 A * ruskie can't stand debian... 1173109634 M * sid3windr are you the fedora or the gentoo type then? :> 1173109647 M * sid3windr good news is, linux-vserver works on all of them! 1173109648 M * sid3windr :) 1173109857 M * ruskie I already run it on all my boxen :) 1173109877 M * ruskie I don't like either fedora or gentoo as well :) 1173109893 M * ruskie for binary give me slackware for source give me source mage 1173111654 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: what reasons? by the way - I think everybody should use the software he likes/considers best/superior ... 1173111698 M * sid3windr less broken default configs, ease of use, newer versions without being broken all the time in sid, etc :) 1173111788 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: do you know 1173111788 M * meandtheshell mar@pc1:~$ dpkg -l apt-lis* | grep ^ii 1173111788 M * meandtheshell ii apt-listbugs 0.0.73 Lists critical bugs before each apt installation 1173111788 M * meandtheshell ii apt-listchanges 2.72.5 Display change history from .deb archives 1173111788 M * meandtheshell mar@pc1:~$ 1173111793 M * meandtheshell ? 1173111812 M * sid3windr what about it? 1173111818 Q * cdrx Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173111821 M * sid3windr you think all brokenness is in the bts? :) 1173111860 M * meandtheshell lol - do you think everything in ubuntu comes without bugs :) 1173111894 M * meandtheshell and the above is to "look in both direections before crossing the street" :-) 1173111937 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: ubuntu and bugs - I just remember the xorg package - oh my god it still hurts :) 1173112023 M * meandtheshell well, as I said, I am not saying X is better than Y ... just asking why you switched your desktops to ubuntu 1173112054 M * meandtheshell there may be less manual work with ubuntu - I agree on that 1173112110 M * meandtheshell but the "newer versions" statement? hm ... 1173112174 M * sid3windr well, ofcourse ubuntu has bugs, I didn't even run it when they broke Xorg ;) 1173112196 M * meandtheshell lucky you I tell you ;) 1173112213 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1173112220 M * sid3windr (I still run debian on all my servers btw) 1173112228 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: I see 1173112234 M * sid3windr I ran sid for a few years 1173112241 M * sid3windr and it was way more b0rken all the time than ubuntu will ever be 1173112268 M * nebuchadnezzar debian sid more broken than ubuntu ? 1173112272 M * nebuchadnezzar I don't agree 1173112272 M * sid3windr yup :) 1173112285 M * meandtheshell well, that's it's nature - therefore I said using the above packages makes sense 1173112292 M * sid3windr indeed 1173112308 M * sid3windr but before the bug gets into the BTS, 250 people will no longer have functioning evolution 1173112312 M * sid3windr for example :) 1173112325 M * sid3windr and i've been within those first 100 quite a few times 1173112329 M * meandtheshell mostly you just have to delay your upgrade two days or so 1173112346 M * sid3windr which upgrade? in those 2 days a bunch of new bugs for which you have to delay the upgrade appear =) 1173112353 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: that is why you also have a stable debian running besides 1173112364 M * sid3windr or you just run ubuntu dapper and be done with it ;) 1173112370 M * sid3windr to each his own! :) 1173112378 M * meandtheshell yes 1173112504 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1173112604 A * sid3windr bbl 1173112615 M * meandtheshell sid3windr: running just one release or one OS is tricky anyway - no ball back - no redundancy :) so if your ubuntu blows like hell you are gone as well :) 1173112628 M * meandtheshell s/ball/fall/ 1173113106 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1173114815 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.38.146 1173114978 J * bootdisk ~bootdisk@90-227-193-59-no77.tbcn.telia.com 1173115013 Q * dlezcano_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1173115052 P * bootdisk 1173116561 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1173117218 J * ema ~ema@lart.galliera.it 1173117404 Q * stefani Quit: I Quit! 1173118575 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann 1173119488 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1173119492 M * Bertl back now ... 1173119731 J * adssad ~adssad@host86-147-31-23.range86-147.btcentralplus.com 1173119733 M * adssad hi 1173119747 M * adssad Which iptables rules are required between two IPSEC enabled gateways? 1173119800 M * daniel_hozac how is that related to Linux-VServer? 1173119819 M * adssad i thought maybe you know 1173119822 M * adssad =) 1173119858 M * daniel_hozac so, not at all then? 1173119877 M * adssad Okay 1173120039 M * Bertl adssad: probably you have two Linux-VServer guests communicating over IPSEC? 1173120088 M * adssad yea 1173120106 M * adssad how could i let the two communicate 1173120110 M * adssad which iptables rule do i use 1173120126 M * Bertl the question is, why do you need any iptables stuff at all? 1173120153 M * adssad thats what i have installed 1173120166 M * adssad do i need to open packet transfer at port 500 or what? 1173120212 M * Bertl IP protocol 51 and 51, and UDP port 500 1173120234 M * daniel_hozac 51 _and_ 51? you sure? ;) 1173120250 M * Bertl nah, just a copy paste from a microsoft page :) 1173120268 M * nadim hi 1173120283 M * adssad what is the iptables rule 1173120288 M * nadim do I need a partition for vserver? 1173120303 M * daniel_hozac nadim: it's recommended. 1173120305 M * Bertl nadim: no, but it is advised 1173120321 M * nadim I have no space left 1173120342 M * Bertl that is why we have a howto for remote server repartitioning :) 1173120377 M * Bertl adssad: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ipsec.html 1173120441 M * Bertl adssad: http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2002-August/000598.html 1173120448 M * Bertl adssad: and next time use google :) 1173120475 M * Bertl adssad: and ahve a deep look at Linux-VServer as it might be interesting for you :) 1173120577 M * Bertl nadim: http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Remote+Server+Repartitioning 1173120601 M * nadim already reading it :) 1173120680 M * Bertl it was done at least three times (the first time by the author himself) 1173120702 M * Bertl (well, I walked him through :) 1173120722 M * nadim I'm not sure my IT boss is going to like this at all :) 1173120790 M * nadim is there a way to NOT have a dedicated partition? 1173120807 M * nadim and what does a dedicated partition add? 1173120961 M * ray6 partitioning is so 90s... use lvm :) 1173121002 M * ray6 resizing / using online ext3fs-resizing rules... watch your system grow live while it's resizing :) 1173121005 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1173121138 M * nadim I run reiser 1173121194 M * ray6 is reiser still running BTW? :) 1173121207 M * ray6 or did they find his wife in the cellar? %-) 1173121288 M * nadim yeap, under a heap of empty bottles ;) 1173121300 M * Bertl nadim: thing is, you will not be able to use xid tagging on a shared partition 1173121323 M * nadim ok, I'll find some room first then 1173121335 M * Bertl nadim: so features like the disk limits or inter guest access restrictions will not work there 1173121374 M * nadim OK, it seems it's better to take time repartitioning first. It would be a pitty to have a crippled test vserver 1173121461 M * ray6 "All avenues led us to Mr. Reiser being responsible for the death and disappearance of Ms. Nina Reiser" huh, in october already? Time to switch to an other filesystem? :) 1173121643 M * nadim damit! it's not a joke. 1173121661 M * nadim Now, that's good news (except for the poor wife) 1173121669 M * ray6 nadim: oh you didn't know? Was on all mailinglists last september or so 1173121679 M * nadim I live in a cave :) 1173121687 M * nadim but as I said, good news. 1173121735 M * adssad how do i secure email a .tar.gz 1173121757 Q * adssad 1173122128 M * Bertl seems like he finally got it :) 1173122384 J * dlezcano_ ~dlezcano@AToulouse-252-1-70-16.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr 1173122676 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1173122840 M * Bertl welcome stefani! 1173122850 M * stefani salut 1173122965 M * Bertl stefani: how's going? how are the Linux-VServers? 1173123002 M * stefani Bertl: kernel oops' perhaps i need an upgrade 1173123018 M * Bertl hmm, do you have a dump/log to upload? 1173123041 M * Bertl (or maybe a photo :) 1173123356 J * prae ~benjamin@foxhound.sherpadown.net 1173123392 M * Bertl welcome prae! 1173123412 Q * ex charon.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net 1173123412 Q * cohan_ charon.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net 1173123412 Q * jkl charon.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net 1173123412 Q * brcc_ charon.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net 1173123495 J * brcc_ bruce@i.am.someasshole.com 1173123495 J * jkl 3VCgv8fEI1@c-67-173-253-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1173123495 J * cohan_ ~cohan@koniczek.de 1173123495 J * ex ex@81.219.196.129 1173123599 J * Aiken ~james@ppp216-125.lns2.bne1.internode.on.net 1173123900 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1173123916 M * Aiken hi 1173124372 Q * Roey Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173124387 M * nadim morning? 1173124395 M * nadim what tz are you in? 1173124414 M * nadim california? 1173124493 M * Bertl nadim: I'm in CET, Aiken which one are you in? 1173124517 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1173124517 M * nadim that's what I thought yesterday :) 1173124571 M * nadim I'd guess CET too 1173124572 M * Aiken EST, utc+10 1173124576 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1173124585 M * nadim what's EST? 1173124588 M * Aiken a cool foggy Tuesday morning 1173124593 M * Bertl AEST, I assume 1173124600 M * Aiken eastern standard time for Australia 1173124602 M * nadim that would be what country? 1173124607 M * Bertl http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-australia12.php 1173124636 M * nadim you don't need to be in australia do have cool foggy days 1173124663 M * nadim though cool might mean different things down under 1173124683 M * Aiken on that map I am about 100km inland from Brisbane 1173124751 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1173124761 M * daniel_hozac but not on other maps? ;) 1173124790 M * Bertl LOL 1173124857 M * nadim arff! Brisbane, Queensland 73 °F / 23 °C 1173124864 M * nadim poor you! 1173124939 M * nadim Lund 39.4 °F / 4.1 °C, more like 'cool' 1173124951 M * Aiken where I am the prediction is 28C and thunderstorms 1173124969 M * nadim We really feel for you. 1173124982 M * nadim most would kill to get over 10C over here 1173125006 M * Aiken we need it to rain, this is how try it is http://www.users.on.net/~boddingt/yard-feb2007.jpg 1173125019 M * nadim but let's not complain too much, this is warm for the season 1173125048 M * Aiken anyway, now all my machines have changed distro maybe time to start compiling some vserver kernels again 1173125136 M * Bertl Aiken: hmm, yeah ... looks quite dry ... 1173125185 M * nadim it's as green here as it is brown at your place 1173125225 M * nadim you don't need to mown the lawn, that's a good thing :) 1173125258 M * Aiken I have not mowed that area this summer, last summer was doing it every week 1173125436 M * phedny can I configure a vserver to allow it to attach to any IP? 1173125454 M * phedny or a specific IP, which has not been assigned to a device 1173125461 M * phedny like multicast address 239.255.255.250 1173125471 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1173125498 M * daniel_hozac you can assign any address to a guest. if the kernel allows listening on it normally, it should work. 1173125532 M * phedny but it should not be assigned to eg. the eth0 device 1173125541 M * daniel_hozac to let it use any address, assign 0.0.0.0. 1173125547 M * daniel_hozac just use nodev. 1173125569 M * phedny is it ok to have this assigned besides the interface I already assigned? 1173125577 M * phedny or must 0.0.0.0 be the only interface? 1173125587 M * phedny owh, I get it 1173125616 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net 1173125637 M * Bertl welcome Roey! 1173125758 M * phedny daniel_hozac: thanks, it seems to work :) 1173126124 M * Roey hey Bertl! 1173128220 J * arachnist arachnist@088156185052.who.vectranet.pl 1173128604 M * Bertl welcome arachnist! 1173128933 M * arachnist hi 1173129694 Q * bj Quit: leaving 1173130037 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA] 1173130426 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-102-37.dclient.hispeed.ch 1173130902 J * PowerKe_ ~tom@d54C13E4B.access.telenet.be 1173131160 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173131390 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1173131720 N * PowerKe_ PowerKe 1173132220 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1173132300 J * prae ~benjamin@foxhound.sherpadown.net 1173132437 M * mjt where -grsec stuff comes from? It's some stripped-down (partial?) thing from grsecurity, but maintained locally? 1173132571 M * Bertl no, it is the actual grsec stuff, slightly adapted to go along with Linux-VServer 1173132595 M * mjt adapted.. how? Have an 'adoption' patch somewhere? :) 1173132625 M * Bertl adapted in such way, that security checks which are done by both patches do not overlap 1173132665 M * hardwire no vserver feisty packages damnit 1173132696 M * Bertl mjt: i.e. the patches are merged to produce compiling and hopefully working code ... details can probably be retrieved from harry, who does this 1173132721 M * Bertl hardwire: well, you know who you have to complain t, I supposed? 1173132725 M * Bertl *suppose 1173132784 M * hardwire not really 1173132791 M * hardwire I bitched in the past I believe 1173132814 M * hardwire I am not a huge fan of how the ubuntu restricted modules package supposedly builds itself, its a pain to set it up for vserver 1173132833 M * Bertl well, there is nobody maintaining the stuff for ubuntu ... so you should try to raise awareness by the ubuntu folks to get packages for that too, like debian does 1173132852 M * hardwire you would think they would be just as aware as the debian folk 1173132857 M * Bertl (or start maintaining packages yourself) 1173132860 M * hardwire seriously. it appears like something they wouldn't like to support 1173132912 M * Bertl hardwire: on the contrary, even Mark Suttleworth was quite interested ... I guess they mainly lack the manpower 1173132985 M * hardwire weird 1173133025 M * Bertl there is even an ubuntu project (MoreUbuntu) based on Linux-VServer technology :) 1173133046 M * hardwire I love multiseat 1173133121 M * Bertl hmm, as a matter of fact, it seems somebody is/was maintaining something ... 1173133131 M * Bertl https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VServer 1173133226 M * derjohn Bertl, that was "zeng" maintaining it IIRC. Havent heard long time from him. 1173133246 M * Bertl no actually it's somebody from Austria :) 1173133287 M * Bertl Gerald Hochegger 1173133518 M * derjohn multiseat != vserver multiseat .... at least not necessary 1173133764 M * arachnist what do i need to do to get dhcpd working in vserver? i always get 'Open a socket for LPF: Operation not permitted'; my host ip is 192.168.17.1; my vserver ip is 192.168.17.2; my dhcpd.conf |> http://88.156.185.52/dhcpd.conf ; i'm running 2.6.20.1-vs2.2.0-rc15 1173133801 M * Bertl you need raw network access for a dhcpd to work 1173133829 M * Bertl i.e. dhcpd does not work on the ip layer, it works below that 1173133843 M * arachnist so no way to make dhcpd work inside vserver? 1173133857 M * Bertl yes, you can give raw network access to this specific guest 1173133867 M * arachnist how? 1173133881 M * Bertl it will reduce the guest security, but if you allow a dhcpd to run, you need to lower that anyway 1173133909 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags 1173133924 M * Bertl NET_RAW is what you want 1173133950 M * arachnist thanks, will try 1173133953 M * Bertl just add it to /etc/vservers//bcapabilities 1173133961 M * Bertl (and restart the guest) 1173133993 N * ard_ ard 1173134515 M * arachnist thanks, it works :) 1173134562 M * Bertl arachnist: you're welcome! btw, we have a page of 'problematic programs' and I didn't chck if that is listed there, could you do that for me and add it if not? 1173134569 M * Bertl *check 1173134576 M * arachnist ok 1173134590 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs 1173134652 M * Bertl also mention that this will lower security, basically it will allow processes to forge packets (which is the same for normal Linux servers, but less secure as a default guest :) 1173134654 M * arachnist yeah, yound it 1173134673 M * arachnist found* 1173134721 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1173135472 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1173135674 M * hardwire feisty is feisty 1173135855 M * fs pokemon? 1173135987 M * hardwire ubuntu 1173136034 Q * ema Quit: leaving 1173136324 M * arachnist http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs#Dhcpd 1173136500 J * phreak``_ ~phreak``@deimos.barfoo.org 1173136500 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1173136500 J * click click@ti511110a080-0949.bb.online.no 1173136500 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is 1173136515 M * Bertl arachnist: tx! 1173136521 M * sid3windr rx ! 1173136581 M * arachnist n/p 1173137570 M * brcc_ Bertl.. some off-topic help . :) I have 4GB ram , kernel configured with high memory support (4GB). At free i just get a total of 3281. any hints 1173137572 M * brcc_ ? 1173137623 M * Bertl hmm, at least interesting ... can you upload dmesg output? 1173137788 M * brcc_ pastebin is not working. 1 sec.. 1173137794 Q * meandtheshell Quit: Leaving. 1173137840 Q * matti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1173137861 M * Bertl brcc_: hmm, seems to work ehre :) 1173137866 M * ray6 brcc: might be some DMA PCI devices stealing some or something like that 1173137875 M * brcc_ http://paste.uni.cc/13470 1173137976 M * Bertl looks like a bug to me 1173138000 M * brcc_ hardware? 1173138025 M * ray6 hardware suxx :) especially 32bit when reaching 4G 1173138026 M * Bertl not sure what is going wrong, but it first detects all the memory 1173138037 M * Bertl then decides only to use part of it 1173138056 M * brcc_ i'ev tried 2.6.19 and now 2.6.20 1173138065 M * Bertl maybe the ACPI information is borked 1173138077 M * brcc_ btw, same happens on windows.. since i never use windows, i dont even know if it supports 1173138085 M * Bertl (well, it is very likely to be borked anyways :) 1173138147 M * sid3windr do you have a 32bit cpu&kernel brcc_ ? 1173138157 M * Bertl brcc_: could you upload /proc/cpuinfo too please? 1173138160 M * brcc_ yes, 32 bit 1173138162 M * brcc_ core 2 duo 1173138165 M * sid3windr this issue is there at least with windows 1173138171 M * sid3windr 3.25G of ram available 1173138171 M * brcc_ mobo is a intel wich p965 chipset 1173138174 M * ray6 I have a 3ware stealing me 256MB or something of my 4G 1173138176 M * sid3windr the rest eaten by video & pci cards 1173138190 M * sid3windr they don't have to steal all of it 1173138198 M * sid3windr if they sit at the wrong place they block the rest as well 1173138198 M * Bertl brcc_: I'd suggest to compile a 64bit kernel on that machine :) 1173138201 M * sid3windr indeed 1173138201 M * brcc_ this mobo has an onboard video controller. i dont have any cards attached to it 1173138208 M * sid3windr core2duo is nicely 64bit capable :) 1173138212 M * brcc_ bertl is core 2 duo 64 bits ? 1173138217 M * ray6 sure 1173138218 M * brcc_ hmm i though it was 32 bits 1173138219 M * brcc_ hehehe 1173138224 M * Bertl yes, but the cpuinfo will confirm this :) 1173138233 M * ray6 it can run 64bit, EMT64 that's called 1173138282 M * brcc_ this is going to be a nice server.. core 2 duo with 4gb ram. :) 1173138299 M * brcc_ 64 bits is new for me. lemme check it 1173138325 M * ray6 you need a 64bit linux distribution (or at least kernel) for that but that's pretty standard today 1173138451 M * brcc_ i am compiling the kernel myself 1173138460 M * brcc_ tryng to figure out what options to change 1173138498 M * ray6 running a 64bit kernel with your installed 32bit OS isn't perfect but I guess it should work. Module loading could be a problem though, not sure 1173138499 M * Bertl well, you want to change the arch, not the options :) 1173138562 M * brcc_ i am not an expert, so that is an option for me :) 1173138590 M * Bertl first step is to get a cross compiler for x86_64 1173138602 M * Bertl second step, to configure the kernel for that arch 1173138621 M * Bertl then building it and installing it as usual, booting and that's it 1173138635 M * brcc_ hmm. cross compiler. didnt know about that. 1173138649 M * Bertl if you want to use hotplug or similar, you also need 64bit userspace (at least rudimentary) 1173138655 M * derjohn brcc_, but there are many pitfalls in compiling a x64 kernel on a 32 bit system. take care not only to change the compiler options! 1173138669 M * brcc_ Is it stable to use a 64bit kernel with linux-vserver ? 1173138675 M * Bertl of course! 1173138677 M * derjohn brcc_, yes 1173138713 M * brcc_ great 1173138721 M * derjohn brcc_, which distro are you using? there may be a prepatched kernel out ... debian has such kernels ! 1173138731 M * brcc_ fedora core 6 1173138739 M * ray6 brcc: basically go and get a 64bit version of your distro and install that 1173138748 M * derjohn brcc_, i bet daniel_hozac has a kernel for you 1173138777 M * derjohn ray6, yes, then it gets easy :) 1173138799 M * ray6 brcc: or just boot the CD and see if you have all your memory then :) 1173138835 M * brcc_ booting the cd i get the same :( 1173138843 M * brcc_ is it that hard to compile? I usually prefer to compile the kernel myself 1173138845 M * Bertl brcc_: the 64bit CD 1173138855 M * brcc_ ah.. ok.. hehehe :) 1173138866 M * ray6 brcc: you can compile your own kernel on the installed 64bit OS much easier then 1173138881 M * Bertl Mandriva is the only one (AFAIK) which has DVDs for both archs (ATM) 1173138905 M * brcc_ got it.. gona do it 1173138907 M * Bertl but I guess that will become quite common RSN 1173138914 M * derjohn Bertl, does mandriva auto-discover which arch to choose ? 1173138915 M * brcc_ will i be able to run 32bit guests on this 64bit host ? 1173138917 M * ray6 because that has the 64bit compiler with it :) the right fedora version should be called x86_64 or something like that, it's a different set of CDs 1173138924 M * Bertl derjohn: yep 1173138932 M * Bertl brcc_: yep 1173138937 M * derjohn brcc_, yes you can run 32 but guests on a 64 bit host OS. 1173138954 M * ray6 brcc: the kernel is always 64bit then, but it can execute 32bit binaries. Some restrictions, but I don't think they matter a lot in a vserver 1173138957 M * brcc_ Great.. i see i am the only one still stuck with 32 bit processors .. time to change :) 1173138961 M * derjohn brcc_, but you need to have ia32 emulation activated on the host kernel (see: make menuconfig) 1173138989 M * Bertl brcc_: no, you _have_ 64 bit processors, you're stuck with 32bit distros :) 1173139054 M * brcc_ i just bough this processor. i am making 2 new servers. i was planning to buy a p4 dual core for the other one.. Is core 2 duo much better ? 1173139082 M * Bertl the Core2Duo is quite nice IMHO 1173139082 M * ray6 Pentium D basically needs more power and is slower :) 1173139119 A * ray6 just bought a new Xeon 3060 - basically a core2duo and not really more expensive 1173139128 M * hardwire I want one 1173139134 M * hardwire I have a dual Xeon here at work 1173139142 M * hardwire no dual cores 1173139143 M * hardwire :)