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1172795629 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1172795632 M * Bertl back now
1172795819 M * cehteh $ host p549E6713.dip.t-dialin.net
1172795820 M * cehteh p549E6713.dip.t-dialin.net has address 127.0.0.1
1172795971 M * Bertl that's at least interesting :)
1172795985 M * cehteh do you get the sameß
1172795987 M * cehteh ?
1172795990 M * Chainsaw_ nope
1172795995 M * Chainsaw_ * Dns resolved p549E6713.dip.t-dialin.net to 84.158.103.19
1172796013 M * cehteh mhm maybe my DNS freaked out?
1172796039 M * Bertl well, it knows that your ip is local :)
1172796102 M * cehteh huch ... hashify reduced my vservers from 13GB to 3.3GB ... i hope it did the right thing
1172796151 M * Bertl well, if not, you can always restore the backup ... you ahve a backup, yes?
1172796157 M * cehteh mhm data seems to be still there :)
1172796197 M * cehteh yes i have .. but my server is soooo slow .. and i only backup important stuff, not *everything*
1172796219 M * Chainsaw_ anyone worked with xen over here?
1172796220 M * cehteh (which would mean that i had about 10GB waste in my backup)
1172796225 M * Chainsaw_ if so,how's the general impression?
1172796246 M * cehteh i heared it works :) ... but i dont use it
1172796267 M * Chainsaw_ im going to try tomorrow the following:
1172796271 M * cehteh recently tried kvm on a desktop machine .. works too .. with minor problems
1172796275 M * Bertl Chainsaw_: ray6 has, and he does use it together with Linux-VServer if I'm not completely wrong
1172796291 M * cehteh so ... hashified .. restarting vservers
1172796294 M * Chainsaw_ a physical w2k3 server with acronis ,make bare metal backups...
1172796297 M * Chainsaw_ now
1172796304 M * Chainsaw_ i will run a vmware server (to test)
1172796307 M * cehteh brb .. my bouncer restarts too
1172796319 M * Chainsaw_ make a bootable recovery media,and restore the machine in a vmware enviroment
1172796324 M * Chainsaw_ and see what happens :)
1172796350 M * Chainsaw_ Bertl > okay,ill ask him when i see him then
1172796381 M * cehteh mhm shutdown takes ages  too
1172796389 M * cehteh my server is awfully slow
1172796400 M * cehteh lala :)
1172796428 M * Chainsaw_ kick it in the silicone!
1172796441 M * Chainsaw_ what if...
1172796454 M * Chainsaw_ you guys had a spare 500mhz machine,512 ram and 20 gig
1172796460 M * cehteh hehe 
1172796461 M * Chainsaw_ what would you guys do with it?
1172796468 M * cehteh thats my server :P
1172796469 M * Chainsaw_ besides the obvious
1172796477 M * cehteh still shutting down
1172796486 Q * cehteh Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5
1172796522 M * Chainsaw_ Bertl.what would you do widdit
1172796547 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org
1172796552 M * Chainsaw_ wb :)
1172796565 M * cehteh at least the bouncer restarts fast
1172796582 M * Bertl Chainsaw_: put Linux-VServer on it, of course!
1172796587 M * cehteh i wanted to say 500mhz are not true ... 1Ghz ViaC3
1172796588 M * Chainsaw_ besides the obvious
1172796593 M * Chainsaw_ *cough*
1172796599 M * Chainsaw_ :)
1172796610 M * cehteh well i would throw the old machine away
1172796622 M * Chainsaw_ aww
1172796635 M * cehteh usually i am against such .. but they need too much energy for what they can do
1172796662 M * Chainsaw_ someone else pays the power bill
1172796674 M * cehteh well then maybe ... 
1172796679 M * cehteh but still
1172796723 A * cehteh recently measured his wifes old 1ghz thunderbirds vs her new dualcore Athlon64 ... 
1172796741 M * Chainsaw_ you wife has a dualcore athlon 64
1172796744 M * Chainsaw_ r
1172796748 M * Chainsaw_ heh
1172796767 M * Chainsaw_ stereotype (now googling for shoe's is really fast!)
1172796770 M * cehteh the thunderbird takes 120Watts, the Athlon64 only 110 .. for more than 5 times the speed
1172796795 M * cehteh well she wants to do video editing .. and i use it for clustering stuff :)
1172796808 M * Chainsaw_ ah
1172796818 M * Chainsaw_ if the wife wants,the wife gets
1172796839 M * cehteh she uses my desktop as render cluster too (at least she could .. if she ever finds time for it)
1172797021 M * Chainsaw_ heh
1172797025 M * Chainsaw_ meh wife uses it for google
1172797030 M * Chainsaw_ oo,and word
1172797041 M * Chainsaw_ (because openoffice is so 'weird',dont ask)
1172797070 M * lylix daniel_hozac: will test delta utime later tonight, tnx!
1172797119 M * cehteh no word here ... she had a option either windows without any in-house-support or linux with in-house-support :)
1172797139 M * Chainsaw_ :)
1172797263 M * cehteh hashify is a nice speed-cure for a server :)
1172797382 M * hardwire hash usually slows me down
1172797386 M * hardwire like whoa man
1172797407 M * cehteh yeah not so with vserver ... 
1172797422 M * cehteh maybe that was the intention for the Great Flower page ;)
1172797446 M * hardwire yeh thats odd isn't it
1172797470 M * hardwire interesting decoration on that page :)
1172797473 M * cehteh thats good design :)
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1172800548 N * Piet_ Piet
1172803006 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-63-200-58.bhm.bellsouth.net
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1172804744 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1172805732 M * jkl Is there anyone around here running vservers in debian-etch  ?
1172805742 M * jkl I'm having locale issues, it's annoying
1172805774 M * Bertl did you try to either disable your host locale, or setup guest locale properly?
1172805800 M * jkl hey bertl!
1172805801 M * Bertl (it is perl which is complaining if you bring in non-existing locales, IIRC)
1172805809 M * Bertl hey jkl! :)
1172805846 M * jkl yeah, it's perl that's complaining. I've tried a few tricks, but they don't seem to be vserver-minded
1172805860 M * jkl how does one setup a guest locale correctly?
1172805866 M * Bertl first, _when_ do you get complaints?
1172805878 M * jkl oh, during apt-get commands
1172805890 M * Bertl from inside the guest?
1172805893 M * jkl yes
1172805900 M * Bertl how did you get into the guest?
1172805911 M * jkl via vserver GUEST enter
1172805919 M * Bertl aha, see there is the problem
1172805924 M * jkl did that bring my enviornment along with me?
1172805937 M * Bertl you bring a configured locale setting from outside into the guest
1172805950 M * jkl ah, never seemed to be a problem in gentoo
1172805950 M * Bertl try the following before entering the guest
1172805966 M * Bertl export LC_ALL=C LANG=C
1172805981 M * Bertl (double check with locale)
1172806008 M * Bertl alternative solutions are:
1172806008 M * jkl yep, that worked
1172806012 M * micah hi all!
1172806017 M * Bertl - enter the guest via ssh
1172806029 M * jkl hello micah
1172806032 M * Bertl - install the same locale as on the host (inside the guest)
1172806038 M * Bertl micah: hey! how are you?
1172806045 M * micah (to do that: dpkg --reconfigure locales)
1172806072 M * micah Bertl: i have been depressingly overwhelmed with work, but starting to see the light
1172806083 M * Bertl micah: sounds good :)
1172806105 M * jkl hmm, i had them both set to use en_US.UTF-8 and i was getting those errors
1172806106 M * micah Bertl: the light is good, the overwhelmed with work has not been
1172806130 M * Bertl well, you know, I'm focusing on the positive part :)
1172806164 M * jkl ok, thanks I'm going to mess around with this for a minute
1172806189 M * Bertl jkl: because you are probably missing the locale inside the guest
1172806275 M * jkl Bertl: yeah, but it appeared after i was thrashing around somehow - i just killed this vserver. I'm going to rebuild another one to figure out what i did to get en_US.UTF-8 set
1172806285 M * jkl I imagine it's  the dpkg --reconfigure locales
1172806286 M * micah Bertl: seems like you are working with some folks I know ATM 
1172806304 M * micah jkl: once you set the right en option with dpkg --reconfigure locales, that error goes away
1172806312 M * Bertl micah: if they are in the Boston area, then yes :)
1172806320 M * micah Bertl: in the olpc offices even
1172806337 M * micah jkl: although its dpkg-reconfigure not dpkg --reconfigure ;)
1172806349 M * micah jkl: try en_US ISO-8859-1
1172806390 M * jkl micah: use the ISO version on the host?
1172806419 M * micah jkl: in the guest, if you run dpkg-reconfigure and then select en_US ISO-8859-1 that error will go away I am pretty sure
1172806427 M * micah i did it once today already
1172806517 M * jkl ok, i have to get locales installed first
1172806534 M * jkl micah: do you know how to modify debootsrap so that certain packages get installed when you build a vserver?
1172806607 M * micah jkl: you can set a shell environment variable to do that
1172806643 M * micah or rather just do it on the command line with --include
1172806648 M * micah for example, I will often do:
1172806657 M * micah REMOVE_PACKAGES="sparc-utils,dhcp-client,lilo,makedev,pcmcia-cs,ppp"
1172806663 M * micah vserver kea build -m debootstrap --context 10 --hostname kea --interface eth0:69.90.134.201/32 -- -d sarge -- --exclude=$REMOVE_PACKAGES 
1172806691 M * micah you dont really need to set a variable
1172806787 M * jkl ah, i would assume there is an --include as well?
1172807230 M * jkl hm, it was not happy with trying to install syslog-ng and syslogd at the same time!
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1172808635 M * jkl seems like /etc/locale.gen and locale-gen are my best friends now =)
1172810500 M * micah jkl: those packages conflict with each other, you would find any debian system unhappy with that
1172811093 M * jkl yeah,  i know - the 'newvserver' tool is actually a better way to go about the whoel deal it seems
1172812447 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-63-200-58.bhm.bellsouth.net
1172813150 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4E50A.dip.t-dialin.net
1172813169 Q * Piet Quit: Piet
1172814738 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1172814745 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1172819518 M * lylix daniel_hozac: delta utime patch seems to fix the situation... all gentoo guest emerges have completed this time around.  tnx!
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1172841882 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1172842413 J * gwar ~root@26.172.110-65.q9.net
1172842423 M * gwar hello
1172842433 M * gwar Anybody know anything about using vserver+grsec on gentoo?
1172843089 M * daniel_hozac what's the problem?
1172843112 M * daniel_hozac note that IRCing as root is still a bad idea, even if you're using grsec :)
1172843569 M * beuss huhu
1172843590 M * harry daniel_hozac: !!!!!
1172843621 M * beuss does anyone know where I can find some documentation on using vserver on a system with a separate /usr partition ?
1172843640 M * harry t
1172843646 M * harry Enable Hard CPU Limits
1172843646 M * harry Avoid idle CPUs by skipping Time
1172843647 M * harry Limit the IDLE task
1172843648 M * beuss I tries 3 days ago but it wasn't working so I gave up and put everything on the same partition
1172843652 M * harry which ones should i enable?
1172843674 M * harry ?
1172843684 M * harry beuss: just put it in the fstab of the guest
1172843714 M * harry etc/vservers/<guest>/fstab
1172843714 M * beuss ça fait 2 jours qu'il est là dessus I tried but secure-mount was complaining about unauthorized mount
1172843725 M * beuss sorry messed up with two sentences
1172843728 M * harry hehe
1172843770 M * harry daniel_hozac: do you know what i should enable... and why? what's the advantage of which choise?
1172843809 M * harry Enable Virtualized Guest Time ==> enable or disable? and why?
1172843896 J * chand ~chand@m167.net81-64-156.noos.fr
1172844190 M * harry hmm... silence
1172844209 M * harry it would be nice to have a clue wether it's best/normal to put it ON or OFF
1172844221 Q * mire Quit: Leaving
1172844226 M * harry This option allows the scheduler to artificially advance time (per cpu) when otherwise the idle task would be scheduled, thus keeping the cpu busy and sharing the available resources among certain contexts.
1172844234 M * harry is this a good thing, to artificially do that?
1172844245 M * harry i'd say... how the hell should i know
1172844260 M * harry does it make my system go faster/slower/more reliable?
1172844279 M * harry Limit the idle slices, so the the next context will be scheduled as soon as possible. This might improve interactivity and latency, but will also marginally increase scheduling overhead. ==> what should one do... for "normal" systems
1172844288 M * harry when on, when off
1172844289 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection
1172844317 M * harry gwar: i use grsec + vserver kernels on all my machines
1172844321 M * harry but no gentoo :)
1172844357 M * beuss gwar: an article has been published in a french journal, it seemed to be pretty simple
1172844390 M * beuss you just have to patch the kernel and emerge util-vserver iirc
1172844406 M * beuss (not sure of the ebuild name)
1172844430 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1172844436 M * harry i put the latest patch online only yesterday... that one probably isn't in ebuild things yet :)
1172844762 M * beuss for utils-vserver?
1172844795 M * harry for the kernel
1172844868 M * gwar hmm, I wish there was just some ebuild I could use
1172844877 M * beuss gwar: http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=vserver
1172844911 M * beuss you can just try an emerge vserver-sources vserver-sources and a genkernel all
1172844945 M * beuss if you *really* don't want to do the patch process
1172844955 M * gwar How will that install grsec?
1172844967 M * beuss I guess it wouldn't
1172844979 M * gwar ok, I thought I misunderstood something :)
1172844992 M * beuss oh sorry
1172845003 M * beuss I missed the +grsec part of you question
1172845019 M * gwar The vserver part is easy
1172845027 M * beuss why don't you get a vanilla kernel and patch it ?
1172845145 M * gwar I guess because I don't know what the side effects of not using the gentoo patches are
1172845154 M * gwar That might be a sensible plan though
1172845208 M * beuss gwar: it seems that grsec integration is part of the hardened gentoo project
1172845229 M * gwar right, but that misses the vserver part of my question :-)
1172845270 M * gwar I'm going to install the hardened profile and toolchain, but I need a kernel
1172845280 M * beuss yep but can't you get hardened-sources and patch it ?
1172845287 M * beuss (with vserver)
1172845304 M * gwar I'm too lazy (or not enough masochist)
1172845327 M * gwar I really need a solution that can be maintained easily
1172845331 M * beuss are the hardened-sources gentoo-sources+grsec+xxx or is it a simple vanilla kernel with grsec?
1172845354 M * gwar It's a lot of patches
1172845399 M * gwar vanilla-kernel + vserver-grsec patch will probably work well until I find out what the official gentoo way of doing this is
1172845459 M * gwar A big thank you to whoever maintains that
1172845474 M * beuss according to the gentoo kernel project, only (gentoo|hppa|mips|sparc)-sources are patched by gentoo
1172845520 M * beuss so basically even if you were using hardened-sources you'll just get a vanilla kernel with grsec and some other patches
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1172845535 M * gwar ok, cool
1172845546 M * gwar I'll patch vanilla then and not worry about it
1172845627 M * gwar oh wait, 'gentoo-sources' is the default kernel
1172845639 M * beuss yes
1172845643 M * gwar So they do have a bunch of custom patches
1172845648 M * beuss yes
1172845666 M * gwar You were just saying that hardened-sources does not seem to have the gentoo patches
1172845669 M * gwar ok
1172845688 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1172845845 M * beuss but you could try a vanilla kernel and so how it's working, maybe you're not concerned by gentoo's patches
1172845985 M * gwar ok, I'm going to do that.  One of the gentoo vserver devs just told me that there is no official vserver+grsec in gentoo atm
1172846065 M * beuss you have an overview (maybe not complete) of applied patches in gentoo-sources here : http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches/patches-2.6.19-5.htm
1172846065 J * shedi ~siggi@ftth-237-144.hive.is
1172846116 M * gwar ok cool, I was looking for that
1172846558 J * bXi bluepunk@irssi.co.uk
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1172846658 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1172846666 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1172846790 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I'm doing a breakdown for the 2.2/2.3 kernels, and I stumbled about some hunks we should definitely have a look at for 2.6.20+
1172846856 J * chand ~chand@m167.net81-64-156.noos.fr
1172846868 M * Bertl one groups is the ipc stuff, which I think we want to keep, but maybe in a slightly modified version
1172846940 M * Bertl *group
1172846963 M * Bertl the other is basically kmod/in/mount.h includes, where I'm not sure we actually need them
1172846971 M * Bertl (will test that today I guess)
1172847054 M * Bertl off to the shower for now ...
1172847114 M * harry Bertl: http://pastebin.ca/378435
1172847116 M * harry dammit
1172847118 M * harry too late :(*
1172847145 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1172847361 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1172847670 M * transacid hey there, is it right that guest's are not allowed to "kill -HUP 1" ?
1172847975 M * harry btw. /me running ...
1172847981 M * harry Linux aleph10 2.6.19.5-grsec2.1.10-vs2.2.0-rc15 #2 SMP Fri Mar 2 16:01:02 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
1172848267 M * Bertl transacid: I'd say that depends on the setup. guests with an actual init process should be able to do so, those with a fake blend through init not
1172848304 M * transacid sry, how do i find out which setup i have
1172848337 M * Bertl if your init style is 'plain' you have a real init running
1172848355 M * Bertl if your initstyle is sysv or gentoo, then the init is probably a fake
1172848390 M * transacid it's a debian guest
1172848409 M * Bertl you can have both variants with most distros
1172848427 M * transacid ok so how do i set it ti use a real init?
1172848427 M * Bertl check /etc/vservers/<name>/app/init/style
1172848444 M * transacid ok
1172848450 M * Bertl if you put 'plain' there, it will get a real init on startup
1172848457 M * transacid thx Bertl 
1172848658 M * harry Bertl: can you pls answer my q? ;)
1172848677 M * harry i don't really know how to config that stuff, and why i should make which decision
1172848680 M * beuss and my btw if you have an idea...
1172848794 M * harry beuss: what was your q?
1172848813 M * harry aha, seperate thingy
1172848818 M * harry /usr stuff
1172848823 M * beuss about secure-mount complaining when /usr is on another partition
1172848830 M * beuss on the same pastebin btw :)
1172848858 J * dreamind ~dreamind@p54A7C1AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1172848868 M * transacid root@nookieman:/$ kill -HUP 1
1172848869 M * transacid bash: kill: (1) - No such process
1172848898 A * harry off to the small room of great relief
1172848969 M * dreamind Hi folks
1172849518 M * Bertl harry: what's the question?
1172849544 M * Bertl transacid: did you enable the 'plain' init now and restart the guest?
1172849586 M * transacid yes
1172849612 M * Bertl beuss: I didn't get your question either :)
1172849640 M * Bertl transacid: what kernel/patches?
1172849660 M * transacid 2.6.20-vs2.2.0-pre4
1172849960 M * harry 14:54 < harry> which ones should i enable?
1172849988 M * Bertl the kernel configs?
1172849994 M * harry yes
1172850001 M * harry #
1172850002 M * harry 14:54 < harry> Avoid idle CPUs by skipping Time
1172850002 M * harry #
1172850003 M * harry 14:54 < harry> Limit the IDLE task
1172850007 M * harry especially those 2 :)
1172850019 M * Bertl well, read the help provided there, and if you still don't know _what_ you want, take the default :)
1172850040 M * harry mkay, i don't understand why i would choose one or the other
1172850045 M * Bertl it wouldn't be an option if it would only have one optimal choice :)
1172850052 M * harry sure
1172850060 M * harry but what's the advantage of choosing one or the other
1172850075 M * harry when should you choose to avoid idle cpus by skipping time?
1172850076 M * Bertl did you read the help text?
1172850079 M * harry yes
1172850093 M * harry i don't understand why one would be better
1172850127 M * Bertl without the idle time skip, the cpu will go idle once the TB are used up
1172850145 M * Bertl with that enabled, you can distribute the idle time among contexts
1172850157 M * harry so why shouldn't you ALLWAYS enable it?
1172850165 M * harry i think that's a guaranteed win win situation
1172850181 M * Bertl because you might actually want hard limits without idle time skipping
1172850196 M * harry aha, so it's only useful when using hard limits?
1172850212 M * Bertl sure, the option depends on that (see help/dependancies)
1172850222 M * harry i enabled both now... but the problem is i don't know which is best :)
1172850243 M * harry i enabled hard limits, but i don't use them
1172850246 M * harry (yet)
1172850309 M * harry so it's better to NOT limit the idle task... especially if you don't use hard limits
1172850310 M * Bertl let me ask you a question: what do you think is better, a glass or a bottle?
1172850331 M * transacid Bertl: do i have to restart the host aswell?
1172850342 M * Bertl transacid: nope, testing, give me a minute
1172850351 M * transacid ok
1172850354 M * harry the question here is: on or off, and why should i choose on, why off? what should i take into account
1172850372 M * harry when is it "better" to skip idle time, when is it worse
1172850387 M * harry so: glass or bottle: if ... then glass, else: bottle
1172850411 M * transacid Bertl: in case you need the kernel conifg: http://phpfi.com/210811
1172850418 M * Bertl harry: if fair scheduling; then idle time skip; :)
1172850927 M * harry wiiiiiii... i chose right! ;)
1172850981 M * Bertl transacid: yep, I can confirm this, it's a bug ...
1172851221 M * transacid mkay thx
1172851235 M * Bertl here is the test which should succeed, but fails:
1172851237 M * Bertl vcmd -i 100 -BC ctx_create .flagword=^34^33^32^4 -- vcmd -i -1 -BC set_cflags .mask=^33 -- bash -c 'kill -HUP 1'
1172851265 M * Bertl I have to leave shortly, but it should be trivial to fix, so expect a patch this evening and a fixed release tomorrow
1172851278 M * transacid thx so much
1172851359 M * transacid the djbdns install script needs it
1172851464 M * Bertl yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised that nobody stumbled about that earlier
1172851771 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later ..
1172851778 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1172866204 M * harry daniel_hozac: on a mailingspreeeeeee? ;:)
1172867050 M * daniel_hozac no, just catching up on email...
1172867057 M * harry ;)
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1172871976 M * xp_prg hi all, I want to mount a directory inside my debian sarge vserver, I am curious if I can install samba to accomplish this, any ideas?
1172872219 M * cehteh for mounting, you nees cifs / smb  support in the kernel
1172872269 M * xp_prg to mount it from outside of the vserver?
1172872279 M * xp_prg I need cifs/smb support in the kernel of the host?
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1172873703 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1172874027 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1172874090 M * xp_prg it worked
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1172874527 J * neuralis ~krstic@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu
1172875995 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1172876013 M * Bertl evening folks!
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1172877527 M * gwar anybody know why this might happen:
1172877528 M * gwar /etc/vservers/testserver/fstab:1:1: failed to mount fstab-entry
1172877528 M * gwar secure-mount: mount(): Operation not permitted
1172877562 M * gwar It might be grsec related, but nothing is being logged
1172877663 M * Bertl looks like, permission denied for secure mount is definitelz outside the scope of Linux-VServer
1172877674 M * gwar ok
1172877693 M * Bertl i.e. secure-mount is called as root on the host, what would give permission denied if not some security framework :)
1172877716 M * gwar is there something I could strace?
1172877739 M * Bertl you can run the guest start with --debug
1172877747 M * gwar ok
1172877749 M * Bertl which will give you a bash trace of what gets executed
1172877762 M * Bertl then you can try to execute the failing command manually
1172877773 M * Bertl guess that should give the same fail case then
1172877791 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-102-37.dclient.hispeed.ch
1172877928 M * gwar I was randomly disabling some grsec features and I think it started
1172877956 M * gwar but now I can't stop it
1172878046 M * Bertl hehe how so?
1172878081 M * gwar I'll get it figured out. It either started working because I disabled some grsec flags or because I ran it with debug
1172878095 M * gwar I'm going to reboot to get into a consistent state
1172878113 M * Bertl okay :)
1172878198 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
1172878336 M * gwar It works perfectly with --debug :-(
1172878343 M * gwar but not without
1172878355 M * Bertl really? that sounds weird ...
1172878388 M * gwar oh wait, no that's wrong
1172878401 M * gwar I misunderstood the debug output
1172878755 M * gwar ok, it's grsec capability restrictions in chroot
1172878767 M * gwar I should just turn off all the grsec chroot() protections
1172878769 M * Bertl perfect ...
1172878789 M * Bertl yeah, well, you can add a proper policy for those too
1172878800 M * Bertl but probably turning them off is much easier ...
1172878880 M * gwar I have no plan to put anything into chroot anyways
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