1168736014 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-61-147-216.bhm.bellsouth.net
1168736833 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1168737488 J * agryppa1 ~kb2qzv@cab-dr-cvx1-100.dial.airstreamcomm.net
1168737531 M * agryppa1 good evening, I need help in network setup
1168737545 M * daniel_hozac what's the problem?
1168737557 M * agryppa1 guest gentoo has empty resolve.conf, don't know why
1168737594 M * daniel_hozac probably because you didn't put anything in it yet?
1168737603 M * agryppa1 that's true
1168737615 M * agryppa1 but how is it supposed to be populated?
1168737628 M * daniel_hozac echo nameserver x.y.z.w > /etc/resolv.conf?
1168737634 M * agryppa1 I'd like dhcp do that, how?
1168737645 M * Bertl that is a little trickier
1168737673 M * Bertl you have to request the stuff via dhcp, providing a specific client identifier
1168737685 M * Bertl (and that has to be done on the host)
1168737771 M * agryppa1 my guest's /etc/conf.d/net is still empty. Is that to stay that way then?
1168737789 M * Bertl typically yes, you set up the stuff from the host
1168737805 M * Bertl where you also do the NAT stuff and firewalling
1168737819 M * agryppa1 from the host and ON the host? within host's filesystem?
1168737883 M * Bertl from the host (probably in one of the guest start scripts), on the host (as ip config there), within the hosts filesystem? not necessarily  
1168737943 M * Hollow the net service in gentoo is a complete dummy, it wonÄt do anything ..
1168737950 M * Hollow at least for baselayout-vserver
1168738006 M * agryppa1 hm... I am still clueless. How about daniel_hozac's suggestion? Would resolv.conf on a guest keep the setting?
1168738042 M * daniel_hozac unless you change it, yes
1168738044 M * agryppa1 across reboot, that is...
1168738072 M * Hollow probably the easiest way is to: cp -L /etc/resolv.conf /vservers/<name>/etc/resolv.conf (on the host)
1168738277 M * agryppa1 Now then, the startup script net.eth0 on a guest shouldn't ever be started? At this moment my guest has an IP of 192.168.0.3 but it got it at "build" time
1168738384 M * Hollow if you look at /etc/init.d inside, you will see that most init scripts a re linked to dummy
1168738403 M * Hollow i.e. also the net.* scripts are dummy
1168738416 M * Hollow they are just around to satisfy the dependency for other init scripts
1168738470 M * agryppa1 OK, thank you
1168738504 M * Hollow yw!
1168739111 M * agryppa1 I need answers on syslog-ng within guest ?
1168739175 M * Bertl hmm, what's the probelm there?
1168739213 M * agryppa1 in the gentoo-vserver howto an example shows the command "ps ax" revealing syslog-ng running an a guest. My guest cannot start it. It is a very fresh gentoo install from stage3
1168739236 M * Bertl does it say something _why_ it doesn't start?
1168739252 M * agryppa1 /etc/init/syslog-ng says permission denied or so
1168739273 M * agryppa1 let me see once more
1168739273 M * daniel_hozac on what?
1168739314 M * agryppa1 /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start                                            [ ok ]
1168739314 M * agryppa1  * Starting syslog-ng ...
1168739314 M * agryppa1 Error opening file /proc/kmsg for reading (Operation not permitted)
1168739314 M * agryppa1 Error initializing configuration, exiting.
1168739315 M * agryppa1  * Failed to start syslog-ng  
1168739326 M * agryppa1 this happens on guest
1168739357 M * daniel_hozac either enable the virtualized syslog, or comment/remove /proc/kmsg from your syslog-ng configuration.
1168739366 J * sladen_ paul@starsky.19inch.net
1168739368 Q * sladen Remote host closed the connection
1168739399 M * agryppa1 how to enable virtualized syslog?
1168739437 M * daniel_hozac VXC_SYSLOG
1168739578 M * agryppa1 that's beyond me. How about the other solution. the line in syslog-ng.conf says: 
1168739580 M * agryppa1 source src { unix-stream("/dev/log"); internal(); pipe("/proc/kmsg"); };
1168739611 M * agryppa1 Should I just remove pipe("/proc/kmsg");
1168739616 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1168739642 M * agryppa1 and the VXC_SYSLOG how do you eat it :-)
1168739699 M * daniel_hozac echo syslog >> /etc/vservers/<guest>/ccapabilities
1168739884 M * agryppa1 hm... I do not have the file ccapabilities in that directory. Am I to create it and put a line "syslog" in it? where is the VXC_SYSLOG ?
1168739958 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1168739996 M * agryppa1 I am gonna try it. thank you.
1168740008 M * daniel_hozac VXC_SYSLOG is what it's called in the kernel. while that name works for the utils too, traditionally the prefix isn't used and lowercase is just easier.
1168740084 M * agryppa1 I am gonna restart the guest right now and try to start syslog-ng
1168740149 M * agryppa1 You are good. Look at this:
1168740153 M * agryppa1 /etc/init.d/syslog-ng start                                            [ ok ]
1168740154 M * agryppa1  * Starting syslog-ng ... 
1168740178 M * agryppa1 there is an OK at the line's end.
1168740211 M * agryppa1 Fantastic. But what do I need it for :-) just kidding :-)
1168740226 M * Bertl lol
1168740379 M * agryppa1 I can imagine that such tricks wil somehow be included in future versions of util-vserver script...
1168740405 M * daniel_hozac unlikely.
1168740417 M * daniel_hozac IIRC syslog-ng isn't even in the stage3.
1168740618 M * agryppa1 I am an experimenter at this stage. My guest is being updated to the latest versions of packages. It is a bare minimal of a working system. I was wondering: can I install xdm in guest and see the guest in the chooser of the host?
1168741123 M * Bertl sure
1168741349 M * agryppa1 that's good. I'll work on it.
1168741381 Q * DavidS Read error: Connection reset by peer
1168742385 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-120.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168742704 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168743328 Q * agryppa1 Quit: Leaving
1168743614 M * hardwire Aiken_: does AoE support partitions?
1168743636 M * Bertl I would assume so ...
1168743667 M * hardwire I would to
1168743677 M * hardwire thinking that may be the least invasive method of supporting loopback partitions :)
1168743706 M * hardwire it would be steller if linux could boot and root via AoE easily, even via an initrd
1168743768 M * hardwire don't even start if you are gonna say I am totally lame :)
1168743772 M * hardwire cause I sorta am
1168743783 M * hardwire just don't waste your breath is all
1168744853 M * hardwire aoe works beautifully!
1168744859 M * hardwire dear lord its sexy
1168744873 M * hardwire as long as you don't mind some asshole in your server room unconnecting your hard drives
1168745069 J * agryppa1 ~kb2qzv@cab-dr-cvx1-100.dial.airstreamcomm.net
1168745220 M * agryppa1 Hi, I was unaware that there exists a baselayout-vserver-1.11.14-r4 for use WITHIN vservers. When building a guest from stage3 (vserver guest build ... stage3 /path/to/stage3) I set initstyle plain. Is there a way I can convert it into --initstyle gentoo without too much hassle?
1168745252 M * daniel_hozac i thought initstyle gentoo required baselayout 1.13.
1168745314 M * agryppa1 I haven't emerged baselayout yet. what is my system then? 
1168745325 M * agryppa1 my guest, that is.
1168745347 M * daniel_hozac depends on which stage3 you used, i suppose.
1168745373 M * agryppa1 the one that was linked from gentoo howto site.
1168745411 M * agryppa1 stage3-amd64-20060317.tar.bz2
1168745451 M * agryppa1 the thing is that I have used (--initstyle plain) I didn't know what it meant at that time.
1168745469 M * daniel_hozac you'll still need it then.
1168745579 M * agryppa1 Can I convert to initstyle gentoo using baselayout-vserver in the guest?
1168745615 M * hardwire heh.. so all the AoE tools are shell scripts
1168745617 M * hardwire this should be easy
1168745689 M * daniel_hozac i don't think so, i'm not sure what the exact status of initstyle gentoo is.
1168745740 M * agryppa1 OK, so with my current setup what did I get. A gentoo vserver with what kind of startup scripts?
1168745762 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1168745772 M * agryppa1 never mind. I am lost.
1168745835 M * agryppa1 You see the gentoo vsever howto ends on that part of the vserver installation process where the real work should begin. 
1168745877 M * daniel_hozac what real work?
1168745943 Q * Zaki Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168745963 M * Bertl setting up apache? psotfix?
1168745972 M * agryppa1 I mean the installation of a vserver. Alas the command "vserver myguest build" is not the final stage of the installation is it?
1168745994 M * daniel_hozac well, you have a guest after that, no?
1168746003 M * daniel_hozac what you do with it depends entirely on your needs.
1168746029 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1168746032 M * agryppa1 this baselayout-vserver thingy in the portage, for whom is it? 
1168746050 M * daniel_hozac hmm? it's for guests.
1168746088 M * daniel_hozac if you got a vserver stage3, it will already have it installed.
1168746116 M * agryppa1 would it show if I emerge -s baselayout in the guest?
1168746130 M * daniel_hozac i have no idea.
1168746139 M * daniel_hozac i'm not a Gentoo person.
1168746152 M * daniel_hozac and i broke my Gentoo guest the last time i played around with the baselayouts.
1168746194 M * agryppa1 Again, you are good. Look at this and sorry for the hassle:
1168746196 M * agryppa1 emerge -s baselayout-vserver
1168746197 M * agryppa1 Searching...
1168746197 M * agryppa1 [ Results for search key : baselayout-vserver ]
1168746197 M * agryppa1 [ Applications found : 1 ]
1168746197 M * agryppa1 *  sys-apps/baselayout-vserver
1168746197 M * agryppa1       Latest version available: 1.11.14-r4
1168746199 M * agryppa1       Latest version installed: 1.11.14-r4
1168746203 M * agryppa1       Size of files: 139 kB
1168746205 M * agryppa1       Homepage:      http://dev.croup.de/proj/gentoo-vps
1168746207 M * agryppa1       Description:   Filesystem baselayout and init scripts for Linux-VServer
1168746209 M * agryppa1       License:       GPL-2
1168746227 M * Bertl agryppa1: we have a pastebin for pasting more stuff
1168746236 M * Bertl (paste.linux-vserver.org)
1168746239 M * agryppa1 OK, sorry
1168746245 M * Bertl np, now you know
1168746324 M * agryppa1 with this baselayout-vserver in place in my guest how does that relate to the fact that I set --initstyle plain? Am I ok?
1168746391 M * daniel_hozac AFAIK baselayout-vserver still requires initstyle plain.
1168746448 M * agryppa1 Thanks for the info.
1168746479 M * daniel_hozac you might want to ask someone authoritative on the subject though, but i think Hollow is sleeping.
1168746501 M * agryppa1 Oh, ok.
1168746503 M * Bertl Hollow, phreak`` both should know the ugly details :)
1168746625 M * agryppa1 the machine I am using is an amd63 3000+ and the stage3 from which I started is outdated. Pity there are not more current ones. How about if I wanted to install a different distro on my gentoo host? Is that easy? I found almost no howtos on the subject.
1168746646 M * Bertl debian should be trivial
1168746659 M * daniel_hozac Fedora/CentOS should just require that you install yum.
1168746694 M * agryppa1 really? and the rest will go from the net? Are the any links?
1168746747 M * agryppa1 on linux-vserver.org there are howtos I know
1168746753 M * daniel_hozac usually there are instructions on the distro specific pages.
1168746768 M * daniel_hozac e.g. http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/VServer+installation+Fedora+Core+5
1168746783 M * agryppa1 but nothing of type GentooHost + FedoraGuest
1168746795 M * agryppa1 Thanks.
1168746800 M * daniel_hozac because the guest build procedure is the same regardless of the host.
1168746810 M * daniel_hozac you just need to make sure you have the needed tools installed.
1168746823 M * daniel_hozac i.e. rpm and yum in the case of Fedora/CentOS.
1168746890 M * agryppa1 oh, ok. Sounds good.
1168746992 M * Bertl the debian will install without any prerequisites ...
1168747007 M * Bertl that's why I suggested it, not because I prefer it :)
1168747118 M * agryppa1 Yeah. thank you guys for bearing with me. I appreciate you help. It's getting late here in Wisconsin. I'l see you next time. thank you very much
1168747131 M * Bertl you're welcome! have fun!
1168747201 Q * agryppa1 Quit: Leaving
1168748327 J * h3x ~renix@cpe-76-171-107-85.socal.res.rr.com
1168748348 M * h3x hello
1168748384 J * FireEgl Atl-NA@adsl-61-147-216.bhm.bellsouth.net
1168748402 M * h3x can someone help plz
1168748411 M * h3x I run vserver vserver1 build -n vserver1 --hostname vserver1.renix.org --interface eth0:192.168.1.31/24 -m debootstrap -- -d sarge
1168748417 M * h3x but it seems to do nothing
1168748847 M * daniel_hozac so it finished but doesn't leave you with a guest, or what?
1168748862 J * Zaki ~Zaki@88.213.59.176
1168748931 M * h3x nope, I run vserver vserver1 start  and gives me ...
1168748947 M * h3x Can not find a vserver-setup at '/usr/local/etc/vservers/vserver1/'
1168748988 M * daniel_hozac so what does the build command output?
1168749013 M * h3x nothing actually
1168749043 M * daniel_hozac nothing at all?
1168749054 M * daniel_hozac debootstrap is really verbose.
1168749065 M * h3x nope
1168749093 M * h3x doesn't do anything just returns to the shell after I execute it
1168749117 M * daniel_hozac what's your host distribution?
1168749129 M * h3x slackware
1168749158 M * daniel_hozac what does vserver --debug ... say?
1168749195 M * h3x its pretty verbose output
1168749201 M * h3x want me to paste it?
1168749204 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1168749215 M * daniel_hozac at paste.linux-vserver.org, that is.
1168749302 M * h3x awesome =)
1168749392 M * h3x daniel, mind if I bug u later?
1168749401 M * h3x I'm on my way out
1168749437 M * daniel_hozac if i'm still here, not at all.
1168749479 M * h3x thx =)
1168750238 Q * Radiance Remote host closed the connection
1168755082 J * phormix ~nobody@S0106004063da6463.ok.shawcable.net
1168755091 M * Bertl welcome phormix!
1168755124 M * phormix Danke. Please excuse me if I'm a little off, I think the last time I used IRC was around the beginning of the decade
1168755159 M * phormix Was wondering if anyone around here can tell me if it's doable to run x.org from within the vserv
1168755160 M * Bertl np, not much changed since ... IIRC :)
1168755191 M * Bertl Xorg as the hardware part or Xorg as X11 in general, as 'server' for a client?
1168755232 M * phormix X11 in general, and to actually run an X session within the vserv of a machine
1168755248 J * Radiance 2644ca0f46@halt.1984world.eu
1168755255 M * phormix so "vserver myvs enter" and then starting GDM or just startx, whatever
1168755273 M * Bertl that works perfectly fine, for the hardware access, you need to give certain 'insecure' permissions
1168755293 M * Bertl e.g. running a headless Xorg with xdmcp over network is no problem
1168755293 M * phormix Yeah, I've heard part of that
1168755305 M * Radiance hmm any one encountered mysql and clamav complaining about not finding directories or unable to create socket within a vserver ? Despite that directories are there and have the correct permissions.
1168755320 M * Bertl phormix: ssh-ing to a guest and forwarding X11 is no problem either
1168755332 M * phormix Radiance: What happens if you try to access the directories manually?
1168755341 M * Radiance it just works, no errors
1168755355 M * phormix Hmmm. weird
1168755362 M * Radiance this is for clamav:
1168755364 M * Radiance Starting ClamAV daemon: LibClamAV Error: cl_loaddbdir(): Can't open directory /var/lib/clamav
1168755364 M * Radiance ERROR: Unable to open file or directory
1168755370 M * Radiance and this is mysql:
1168755378 M * Radiance /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
1168755378 M * Radiance error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
1168755379 M * Radiance Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
1168755381 M * Bertl do you try as root?
1168755384 M * phormix Is clamav running as an alternate user?
1168755397 M * Radiance yes, tried to run clamav as root but it keeps giving those errors
1168755419 M * Bertl nah, what I meant is, do _you_ try to access those dirs as root?
1168755422 M * Radiance yes clamav is running as clamav, permissions are all set in passwd/group, including those of the dir
1168755447 M * Radiance BertI, yes, you want me to try as a normal user ? like clamav ?
1168755452 M * Bertl yep
1168755457 M * Radiance ok hold on :)
1168755464 M * phormix Anyhow, my situation is that I've got a NAT'ing server that runs my little network here, and a USB-phone adaptor (that runs in X with Skype) that I want to be running constantly, but not within the environment of my normal server...
1168755518 M * Radiance hmm, it says No Shell
1168755525 M * phormix Oh, I had that
1168755527 M * Bertl phormix: you will have to 'copy' the USB devices into the guest, except for that, it should work, unless the USB driver/device needs special permissions
1168755533 M * Radiance despite that i changed false to bash in passwd and removed "!"
1168755535 M * phormix If your vserver is running from /home, check the permissions on /home
1168755549 M * Radiance it's running from its own partition
1168755560 M * phormix No weird permissions on the partition?
1168755561 M * Bertl Radiance: yes, not only that, also the permissions of the entire guest root dir
1168755576 M * Bertl 000 is _not_ a good mask :)
1168755583 M * Radiance like this: /vserver/test 
1168755589 M * Radiance BertI, ok lemme check heh
1168755616 M * phormix I think the thing creates an ALSA device, one sec I'll see if it comes up within the vserv
1168755637 M * Bertl it wont create the device in the guest
1168755654 M * Bertl but you can probably copy those devices to the guest and use them there
1168755686 M * phormix I was thinking about that. 1 moment I'll see if I can find out what they are
1168755725 M * Radiance permissions in guest root look normal, (running the same vps on a different server, compared them to that)
1168755783 M * phormix What happens if you (outside of guest root) su jdoe and then cd /path/to/guestroot/
1168755789 M * Radiance i tried to google about that clamav error and although it occured to alot of ppl at times they usually fixed it by permissions or creating missing directories. Yet in my case permissions and directories are all there, compared them to the same vps running on another server.
1168755804 M * Radiance lemme try
1168755879 M * Radiance works just fine
1168755948 M * daniel_hozac have you checked the permissions on all of the directories?
1168755955 M * Radiance ah fuck
1168755957 M * Radiance got it
1168755991 M * Radiance i had /vserver/test  <---- the permissions on vserver were o-rwx
1168756010 M * Radiance i mean for test
1168756022 M * Radiance test was o-rwx
1168756036 M * Radiance i set o+rx test and now it works
1168756076 M * Radiance for /vserver i did o-rwx to prevent a few ppl from accessing the vserver from the host
1168756116 M * phormix :-) I did a similar thing not too long ago so that message was a bit familiar to me
1168756133 M * phormix It's those things that you spend about 5 min screwing up and 2hours fixing that make you go DOH
1168756143 M * Radiance i didn't know it would cause this issue actually, by doing o-rwx on the mountpoint of the guest
1168756191 M * Bertl  well, the 'mount point' becomes the 'root dir'
1168756201 M * Radiance i thought since the vserver is started as root that it would not be an issue hehe
1168756210 M * Bertl and when you ever changed the permission of / you know the effects :)
1168756217 M * Radiance :-)
1168756228 M * phormix I did mine with just a changeroot (no vs) but same result and error messages
1168756229 M * Radiance well got a bit wiser tonight :)
1168756246 M * Radiance thanks for the quick input hehe
1168756258 M * Radiance i hate to admit it but it i spend about 3 hours on this
1168756265 M * Radiance checking and tripple checking
1168756270 M * phormix I did the same thing last night so it was fresh in my mind (and yeah, about 1.5 to 2h time spent figuring it)
1168756295 M * phormix I have my vserv in /home (no space elsewhere) and when I did a chmod o-rwx /home/* it did that to me
1168756304 M * phormix well /home/vserver/
1168756314 M * Radiance well at least i read almost all possible situation where clamav goes haywire on a normal system (and mysql) lol
1168756325 M * Radiance nasty hehe
1168756507 M * phormix Hmmm, now what do I need to allow SSH X-forwarding to work in the vserv. I remember adding "X11UseLocalHost no" to sshd_config, but there was something else...
1168756512 M * phormix About the loopback I think it was
1168756535 M * phormix Anyone remember what that might be?
1168756579 Q * FireEgl Read error: No route to host
1168756636 M * Radiance phormix, didn't try that myself else i'd help ya bud hehe
1168756661 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-17-137-63.bhm.bellsouth.net
1168756673 M * phormix ah well, I figured it out once before so I'll give 'er a shot again
1168756687 M * phormix right now running an X app while SSH'ed just sits and spins
1168756963 M * Bertl who spins?
1168756983 M * phormix Sorry, I mean that it just sits there not actually doing anything
1168756995 M * Bertl check that you have a DISPLAY set
1168757008 M * Bertl also check that the guest has xauth installed
1168757023 M * Bertl and of course, ssh/d x11 forwarding is enabled
1168757032 M * phormix That is, I don't get any errors
1168757056 M * Bertl must not give an error if DISPLAY points to localhost:0.0 e.g.
1168757125 M * phormix taviss@maestro-vs:~$ set | grep DISPLAY
1168757125 M * phormix DISPLAY=maestro-vs:10.0
1168757166 M * Bertl that looks at least fine
1168757180 M * Bertl is maestro-vs in /etc/hosts?
1168757193 M * phormix Yes, as 127.0.0.2
1168757207 M * daniel_hozac and that address is assigned to the guest?
1168757210 M * phormix Which is what I configured lo as for the vserv
1168757248 M * Bertl you should not use 127.x addresses for guests
1168757267 M * Bertl also double check X11UseLocalhost in sshd config
1168757291 M * phormix X11UseLocalhost no
1168757334 M * Bertl change that to yes
1168757364 M * phormix k one sec
1168757920 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168758005 M * phormix well, I get errors now at least :)
1168758018 M * phormix X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
1168758018 M * phormix X connection to localhost:11.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
1168758058 M * Bertl what is localhost bound to?
1168758099 M * Bertl (should be the first ip assigned to the guest)
1168758118 M * phormix I tried it is as both 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.2 (lo is still 127.0.0.2)
1168758146 M * Bertl ahem, you should definitely assign a non 127.x ip to your guest
1168758157 M * Bertl also make that the first ip of your guest
1168758172 M * Bertl (unless you are testing 2.3.x of course)
1168758201 M * phormix nope, 2.1.9 at the moment
1168758209 M * Bertl take a private ip, e.g. 10.0.0.1 for that, and put it on dummy0 if you like
1168758218 M * daniel_hozac 2.1.9?
1168758229 M * Bertl yeah, interesting :)
1168758271 M * phormix sorry, v.2.1.1, grsec is 2.1.9
1168758278 M * Bertl ah, grsec :)
1168758281 M * phormix erm, 2.2.0
1168758299 M * phormix and I'm not using the grsec stuff just yet, just in there for later use
1168758326 M * Bertl well, if all else fails, try with a mainline patch (without grsec)
1168758341 M * phormix OK, in regards to the IP's of the guest
1168758387 M * phormix Let's say the main machine has an IP (eth1) of 192.168.253.1, and I also run SSH from within the vserver (different port), how would I be configuring these interfaces then?
1168758395 J * comfrey_ ~comfrey@70.91.185.84
1168758413 M * Bertl depends on what you want to accomplish
1168758427 M * Bertl a typical setup as I would do it would look like this:
1168758438 M * phormix Allow SSH'ing to 192.168.253.1 with X11 forwarding..
1168758440 M * Bertl - host 192.168.253.1/22 sshd
1168758450 M * Bertl - guest 192.168.253.2/22 sshd
1168758464 M * Bertl that will allow you to reach both of them via ssh
1168758474 M * Bertl on the local lan as well as one from the other
1168758500 M * phormix OK. Right now I have host 192.168.253.1/2222 sshd, and guest 192.168.253.1/22
1168758501 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168758504 M * Bertl to do that, you simply need to restrict the host sshd to /
1168758513 M * Bertl 192.168.253.1
1168758534 M * phormix one moment
1168758535 M * Bertl well, sharing the ip between guest and host might lead to complications
1168758570 M * phormix I thought it would be safe with different ports but perhaps not, 1 moment I'll change my host config and then redo the guest as well
1168758595 M * Bertl it might lead to complications with the xauth, that is :)
1168758603 M * phormix I think that might be the case
1168759047 M * Bertl okay, I guess I'm off to bed now ...
1168759055 M * phormix alrighty. Thanks for the pointers
1168759067 M * daniel_hozac good night!
1168759082 M * Bertl phormix: you're welcome! and good luck (note, it works here, so it should be no biggie :)
1168759085 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: thanks!
1168759090 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1168759330 M * phormix Ahh, for the record, I also had to add a little section to my firewall rules for the 192.168.253.2 interface, works now.
1168759424 M * phormix ah well, I'm off
1168759435 M * phormix g'night all
1168759437 Q * phormix Quit: I am going away
1168760071 J * juggo ~lemur@h-68-166-181-4.sttnwaho.covad.net
1168760111 M * juggo does anyone know a fast way to monitor the disk usage of vservers?
1168760127 M * daniel_hozac use disk limits?
1168760154 M * juggo could you explain how?
1168760171 M * daniel_hozac http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Disk+Limits
1168760364 M * juggo reading
1168760472 M * juggo any known issues with using tagxid on xfs?  or if the mount point is not the vservers directory but its parent?
1168760479 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168760516 M * daniel_hozac tagxid should work fine on xfs.
1168760542 M * daniel_hozac you have your guests on the same filesystem as /?
1168760574 M * juggo no, on an encrypted disk, mounted as /crypt so /crypt/vservers
1168760590 M * daniel_hozac ok, that should be fine then.
1168760645 M * juggo ok, and if I go through the steps to do this where would the disk limits and usage be available, /proc/virtual/???
1168760677 M * daniel_hozac no, vdlimit --xid <guest> <mount point>
1168760693 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax7-199.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168760797 M * juggo ok, is it possible to set up such a system and not set limits, just use it to monitor usage?
1168760826 M * daniel_hozac make the "limit" the size of your filesystem.
1168760852 M * juggo ok thanks, I think that's what I needed to know
1168760874 M * juggo I was looking at my vserver sizes with du, which takes a while to run, and some were much bigger than I realized
1168760891 M * juggo so I want to get a munin plugin for disk usage
1168760902 M * juggo to keep a better eye on things
1168761004 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168761031 M * juggo but du takes too long to run, almost 10m on the last system I ran it on, and while I wouldn't set the size to be the filesystem I might set something arbitrarily high like 100GB
1168761049 M * daniel_hozac makes sense.
1168761078 M * daniel_hozac note that (v)du will still need to run to calculate the guest size in some circumstances.
1168761083 M * daniel_hozac (the page explains that)
1168761145 M * juggo I'm not seeing that
1168761169 M * daniel_hozac first sentence in the fourth section.
1168761203 M * juggo ok, but that's automatic right?
1168761219 M * daniel_hozac automatic, yes. but it might delay the startup.
1168761231 M * juggo ok, good to know
1168761238 M * daniel_hozac but under normal circumstances, it shouldn't be necessary.
1168761267 M * juggo right, just non-graceful stops, someone knocks the power cable out of the box in the rack
1168761293 M * daniel_hozac exactly.
1168761321 M * juggo ok thanks for the help I think that's what I'm looking for, now I just need to schedule the time to bring down the vservers on one of my boxes to try it, maybe later tonight
1168761683 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-17-137-63.bhm.bellsouth.net
1168761878 J * Nam ~nam@S0106001195551ff0.va.shawcable.net
1168761925 M * Nam has the code for vservers network changes without reboot gone stable yet?
1168761935 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1168761946 M * Nam as in, the vserver can have new ip's added/removed without restarting the vserver
1168761956 M * daniel_hozac that has been possible since 2.0.
1168761962 M * daniel_hozac before that too, i imagine.
1168761980 M * Nam Bertl said it was in the dev three, but going stable within the next 2-3 months like 4-5 months ago
1168761984 M * daniel_hozac however, if your guest only has one IP address, you'll need to restart all the services.
1168762022 M * Nam from my talks with Bertl, 2.0 didn't have that, it was i believe 2.1 he said that was coming
1168762024 M * daniel_hozac he must've misunderstood what you were asking.
1168762035 M * Nam we had some big long talks about it
1168762039 M * daniel_hozac 2.0 _does_ have the entire net API.
1168762042 M * Nam and i checked back multiple times with him
1168762067 M * Nam hmm...
1168762078 M * daniel_hozac $ grep -c vc_net_add ../patch-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.diff
1168762078 M * daniel_hozac 3
1168762100 M * Nam so, with 2.0+, when making changes to the IP's, do you just change the config file and it's done? or do you have to apply it somehow?
1168762153 M * daniel_hozac _if_ your guest has 2+ IP addresses already, and you have util-vserver 0.30.212+, naddress --nid <guest> --add --ip <IP address>/<prefix> would let the guest use it.
1168762175 M * daniel_hozac you'd have to add it to the host manually first.
1168762190 M * daniel_hozac to use the configuration files, you'd have to restart the guest.
1168762348 M * Nam naddress added in 212?
1168762354 M * daniel_hozac right.
1168762364 M * Nam i have 204 on one of my servers, no naddress there
1168762365 M * Nam ok
1168762382 M * Nam that's good to know, thx
1168762392 M * Nam your guys really support this project well, appreciate it
1168762415 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome!
1168762425 M * Nam i'm developing a CPanel replacement right now
1168762438 M * Nam which includes this project for the vserver capabilities
1168762464 M * Nam when we go public, hopefully it gives a lot of credibility to this project and it's capabilities
1168762623 M * daniel_hozac btw, 2.3 will remove the first part of the requirement, i.e. you'll be able to add addresses to guests that have just one IP.
1168762674 M * Nam ahh... so right now, if a guest has only one ip address in the configuration, that command will not work?
1168762684 M * Nam only once multiple addresses are added?
1168762703 M * daniel_hozac the services will need to be restarted for the change to take effect.
1168762717 M * daniel_hozac there's an optimization that triggers whenever a guest just has one IP address.
1168762748 M * Nam the services within the guest? or the entire guest?
1168762755 M * daniel_hozac the services within the guest.
1168762770 M * Nam ah, well that would depend on the service wouldn't it?
1168762773 M * daniel_hozac but since you're restarting them all after adding the address, you might as well just restart the whole thing.
1168762780 M * daniel_hozac how so?
1168762807 M * Nam for instance, apache, you need to add it to the config file so that it responds, unless * is used, but regardless, the applications need to redetect the ip addresses
1168762835 M * daniel_hozac usually apps bind to 0.0.0.0 though.
1168762845 M * daniel_hozac so as to not have you hardcode the addresses in tons of configuration files.
1168762896 M * Nam i'm automating all the services, so restarting them will be simple
1168762914 M * Nam just rebooting an entire guest just to add a new ipaddress is a bit excessive
1168762924 M * Nam disconnects people and stuff
1168762935 M * daniel_hozac well... restarting all the services has basically the same effect.
1168762984 M * Nam depends on the service doesn't it, apache can do a restart which waits for all connection to finish, then restarts very quickly
1168762991 M * Nam same with email
1168762997 M * Nam postfix and other applications
1168763017 M * daniel_hozac right, but what's stopping them from doing the same thing on a reboot?
1168763071 M * Nam well, rebooting causes everything to shut down and then restart, and not done gracefully waiting for connections to finish
1168763114 M * daniel_hozac but why don't you make the reboot gracefully wait on the connections?
1168763135 M * daniel_hozac (though that seems like a bad idea, what if someone's downloading a giant file over a dialup connection?)
1168763229 M * Nam that's why instead of restarting the entire guest, i'd rather just restart the required services
1168763242 M * Nam for instance, if the IP is only used in apache, why restart all services?
1168763267 M * daniel_hozac normally when you add an IP address to a server, you want it to be used by all the services.
1168763277 M * daniel_hozac IMVLE, of course.
1168763279 M * Nam because it's a hosting panel, customers can lease ip's and assign them to what ever services they want
1168763299 M * Nam well, the main IP is access by all services
1168763305 M * Nam the other IP's are configurable
1168763333 M * Nam they could be strictly for websites, or for websites and FTP, or whatever else
1168763378 M * Nam the most likely scenario is customers setting up SSL HTTPS sites
1168763394 M * Nam since it requires an IP for each domain/port
1168763407 M * daniel_hozac right.
1168763426 M * Nam https://joeblow.com:443/ can only be accessed via on ip address
1168763441 M * Nam so, if he has like 5 sites, he needs seperate IP's for each
1168763446 M * daniel_hozac i know.
1168763453 M * Nam FTP won't change though, unless they want to
1168763470 M * Nam but there is no reason for it since it's already accessible via another IP and dns entries
1168763473 M * Nam ;)
1168766939 J * Aldo ~Aldo@pD957D935.dip.t-dialin.net
1168767007 M * Aldo hi
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1168774284 M * FaUl weha
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1168785199 J * Aldo ~Aldo@pD957D935.dip.t-dialin.net
1168785363 M * Aldo hi
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1168792107 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: you around?
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1168793312 M * matti Hi Hollow.
1168793318 M * Hollow heya matti
1168794248 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: pong
1168794309 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: when using vserver-build without an network device given to --interface it always warns to set nodev, is there a reason why vserver-build does not automagically set nodev then?
1168794376 M * daniel_hozac maybe to make sure it's intentional? i don't know actually.
1168794770 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: personally, it's annoying since i always use gentoos net scripts to setup all interfaces .. 
1168794781 M * Hollow but maybe it makes sense for other setups
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1168795919 J * nayco ~nayco@lns-bzn-59-82-252-133-14.adsl.proxad.net
1168795944 M * nayco hello, all :-) !
1168796230 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1168796234 M * Bertl morning folks!
1168796383 M * Bertl hey nayco! :)
1168796875 J * FireEgl Proteus@2001:5c0:84dc:1:211:9ff:feca:b042
1168796953 M * meandtheshell Bertl: morning! 
1168796953 M * meandtheshell Question: Since POSIX Capabilities do not need 32bit of the Capability bitmap it was/is possible to incorporate (into the POSIX bitmap which comes with vanilla) the bitmap/bitmask in order to introduce and control per-context limits - right? So a portion of the original POSIX bitmap is now used by Linux-VServer to store the per-context information. Not sure I got this right ... 
1168796999 M * daniel_hozac uh, the usual capabilities are using 31 bits.
1168797026 M * daniel_hozac the 32nd is used for CAP_CONTEXT, which basically lets you call sys_vserver.
1168797051 M * Bertl yep, the CAP_CONTEXT is now the _only_ one added by Linux-VServer
1168797076 M * Bertl all other capabilities are 'per guest' so they use a separate 64bit field
1168797089 M * Bertl (which is of course stored elsewhere)
1168797093 M * meandtheshell hm - ok - I see - and this one (only one) allows for all per-context limits to be managed - right?
1168797106 M * meandtheshell ah ... hm ...
1168797108 M * Bertl nope, it allows to send management syscalls
1168797121 M * Bertl sys_vserver() is a multiplexor
1168797144 M * Bertl it allows for _many_ different commands, some of them are classified as management commands
1168797152 M * Bertl for those, you require the CAP_CONTEXT
1168797233 M * meandtheshell ok - /me got smarter now but what I still not understand is: where are these 64bit fields located/keept to allow all the per-context limit shebang?
1168797260 M * daniel_hozac in the context structure.
1168797261 M * Bertl we have a structure per context
1168797282 M * meandtheshell ah - structure like structures in C?
1168797282 M * Bertl it is created when a context is created, and it will live until the last reference to it is dropped
1168797317 M * Bertl yes, it contains all the ugly details, like scheduler info, accounting data, limits, etc
1168797337 M * meandtheshell ok - I see 
1168797358 M * Bertl the context structure is hashed once it is active, so that it can be looked up via the syscall commands by a reference handle (xid)
1168797420 M * meandtheshell so O(1) - fine ...
1168797433 M * Bertl typically, yes
1168797443 M * meandtheshell 64bits ... that's a lot 
1168797459 M * Bertl well, we saw that 32bit (posix) is not that much :)
1168797478 M * meandtheshell right - sure - why not - doesn't hurt :)
1168797499 M * Bertl we not only have the 64bit capability set
1168797513 M * Bertl we also have a capability mask (for the posix caps)
1168797525 M * Bertl and a flag word (for on/off features)
1168797596 M * meandtheshell can you elaborate that please? especailly a word about the capabity mask. Has it something to do with the POSIX bitmap that comes with vanilla?
1168797627 M * Bertl yep, it 'masks' exactly that bitmap, restricting the capability set
1168797647 M * Bertl in earlier versions, we applied that mask to all posix capability ops
1168797670 M * Bertl this, for example, made bind (which is broken in the way it uses capabilities :) fail
1168797688 M * Bertl since some time now, we apply that mask on checks only
1168797727 M * meandtheshell ah - so "MASK & CAPSET" like usual masking in C?
1168797728 M * Bertl so broken apps like bind 'think' they have the capability they are looking for, despite not being able to excersice it
1168797777 M * Bertl yes, but the posix capability system is a little more complex
1168797834 M * meandtheshell sure - I was just asking about the basic principle :)
1168798170 J * juggo ~lemur@h-68-166-181-4.sttnwaho.covad.net
1168798190 M * Bertl welcome juggo!
1168798195 M * juggo thanks
1168798201 M * juggo so I setup some disk limits last night
1168798214 M * Bertl congrats!
1168798233 M * juggo but vdlimit doesn't seem to track the live usage
1168798261 M * Bertl how did you test?
1168798261 M * juggo is it supposed to or did I not do something right
1168798275 M * juggo vdlimit --xid monitor3 /var/lib/vservers/monitor3/
1168798276 M * juggo 2348 /var/lib/vservers/monitor3/
1168798276 M * juggo space_used=892220
1168798276 M * juggo space_total=52428800
1168798276 M * juggo inodes_used=26803
1168798277 M * juggo inodes_total=1000000
1168798277 M * juggo reserved=5
1168798286 M * juggo it's had the same values for the last several hours
1168798295 M * juggo vdu --xid monitor3 --space /var/lib/vservers/monitor3/
1168798296 M * juggo /var/lib/vservers/monitor3/ 863100
1168798305 M * Bertl okay, did you enable xid tagging for the partition the guest is on?
1168798310 M * juggo yes
1168798326 M * Bertl what tools do you use?
1168798341 M * juggo although... would a symlink screw things up
1168798370 M * juggo the vservers are actually on /crypt/vservers and /var/lib/vservers is a symlink to that
1168798399 M * Bertl should not cause a problem, as long as /crypt/vservers is tagged
1168798404 M * juggo right it is
1168798424 M * juggo not sure about tools, just the stuff on the wikipage chxid, lsxid, vdlimit, vdu
1168798450 M * juggo if there are tools to debug further they would be useful to know about
1168798455 M * Bertl I mean, what version of the tools do you use?
1168798460 M * juggo ah
1168798514 M * Bertl also, what filesystem is /crypt/vservers ?
1168798517 M * juggo using the pre-packaged debian kernel 2.6.18-3 util-vserver: 0.30.210
1168798525 M * juggo xfs
1168798546 M * Bertl hmm, not sure we added the disk limits for xfs .. let me check
1168798592 M * juggo thanks
1168798720 M * Bertl nope, jfs, reiser, ext2 and ext3
1168798732 M * juggo ah, well that would explain it then
1168798772 M * Bertl are you especially attached to xfs?
1168798773 M * juggo i guess that's what happens when you don't stick with ext3
1168798808 M * juggo well performance is nicer than ext3, but have disk limits is more important
1168798849 M * Bertl you might also utilize the xfs specific project quota
1168798881 M * juggo yeah I had looked into that
1168798948 M * Bertl and if you are interested in testing new stuff, we can also implement the missing dlimit accounting for xfs
1168798999 M * juggo possibly, I have 1 box that is for testing vserver stuff
1168799005 M * juggo though, our vserver boxes might be rebuilt int he not too distant future
1168799031 M * juggo so we may revisit the filesystem choices
1168799247 M * juggo looks like project quota for xfs isn't supported in sarge
1168799406 M * Bertl as I said, just let me know if you are sure you want that feature and you are willing to test it :)
1168799635 M * juggo ok I'll keep in mind, seems like a good feature to add for the sake of completeness, but we may choose another route before it sees the light of day
1168799640 M * juggo thanks for the help though
1168800277 M * Bertl you're welcome!
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1168802986 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later ...
1168802992 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1168803051 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1168803175 J * Aldo ~Aldo@pD957D935.dip.t-dialin.net
1168803180 M * Aldo hi
1168803533 M * DavidS hey Aldo
1168803538 M * Aldo hi
1168803562 M * Aldo CAn yozu say me, how I can change the Hostname of a Linux-vServer?
1168803579 M * FaUl Aldo: hostname foo
1168803595 M * Aldo in the Linux-vServer?
1168803629 M * FaUl or - if you whish to change it permanently - in /etc/vservers/<vserver-name/uts/nodename
1168803633 M * FaUl yes
1168803715 M * Aldo you are the best
1168803718 M * Aldo Thank you
1168803720 M * Aldo :)
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1168804409 M * Aldo every body here?
1168805982 M * Aldo hi
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1168806256 P * Aldo Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org
1168806540 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1168806544 M * Bertl back now ...
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1168814144 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-121.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168814914 M * Bertl morning Aiken!
1168814942 M * Aiken is it?
1168814954 M * Aiken good morning
1168814959 M * Bertl ah, well, I thought you got up :)
1168815049 M * Aiken the body is moving, I'll decide if it is good or not after my 1st cuppa  :)
1168815102 M * Bertl point taken :)
1168815111 M * meandtheshell Aiken: well, you either live in Japan or you prefer AMT (Aiken Mean Time) :-)
1168815131 M * Aiken a little bit south of Japan
1168815136 M * Bertl lol
1168815138 M * Aiken east coast Australia
1168815167 M * meandtheshell Aiken: ah - really - great! so no AMT then :)
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1168817077 J * dna ~naucki@144-239-dsl.kielnet.net
1168817155 Q * dna 
1168817466 M * meandtheshell Bertl: sys_vserver is the only system call used to send commands from user to kernel space - right?
1168817485 M * Bertl nope, but the only syscall used by Linux-VServer :)
1168817498 M * meandtheshell ok :)
1168817509 M * Bertl userspace also makes extensive use of existing interfaces
1168817524 M * Bertl e.g. ioctl, affinity and cpuset
1168817539 M * meandtheshell I see 
1168817543 M * Bertl ah, and of course, the rlimits
1168817562 M * Bertl (the per process version usually referred to as ulimits)
1168817584 M * meandtheshell I see 
1168817772 M * meandtheshell so, who if not util-vserver uses other system calls than sys_vserver (might be a rather stupid question I know ...) - util-vserver uses them all - no?
1168817827 M * Bertl hmm, basically every tool uses syscalls to get things done
1168817838 M * Bertl typically via the *libc*
1168817867 M * Bertl e..g if you open a file with open() then that will result in a syscall sys_open() doing the kernel part
1168817921 M * meandtheshell ok - so the above was a merely generic statement about system calls ... not just vserver specific
1168817926 M * Bertl various tools exist to control things like process affinity, cpusets and other stuff
1168817950 M * Bertl also, util-vserver is not the only tool using Linux-VServer specific interfaces (API)
1168817978 M * Bertl e.g. Hollow's tools use them too, and the vcmd hack tool as well
1168817980 M * meandtheshell hollows daemon uses it too ...
1168817982 M * meandtheshell :)
1168818021 M * Bertl there are a bunch of development tools (before vcmd was created) which implement the various aspects of the userspace interface
1168818050 M * meandtheshell thats funny - the vcmd - what's the difference compared to util-vserver
1168818053 M * Hollow actually you get a command line interface for all syscalls with libvserver only ..
1168818078 M * Hollow it includes tools similar to vcmd.. vcd is much more abstract ..
1168818096 M * meandtheshell Hollow: I see 
1168818114 M * Bertl vcmd is intended as qick hack and test tool, not suited for production
1168818115 M * meandtheshell is there a wiki page about vcmd
1168818117 M * meandtheshell ?
1168818126 M * meandtheshell Bertl: I see 
1168818154 M * Bertl it might become the heart of a test harnish at some point, but only the future can tell
1168818155 M * meandtheshell all I found about vcmd in the wiki is just some one liner examples
1168818169 M * Bertl yes, that's kind of intentional
1168818190 M * Bertl whoever wants to use it, should get most of the info from the sourcecode
1168818205 M * meandtheshell Bertl: ok - I understand
1168818348 M * meandtheshell well, thanks for telling me all this stuff - /me is writing his personal cheat sheet - I will but all that in the wiki during the next two weeks or so ... maybe I'll write the first and only Linux-VServer book :)
1168818375 M * meandtheshell s/will but/will put/
1168818471 M * Bertl excellent! 
1168818487 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have to get up early today
1168818496 M * Bertl have a good one everyone! cya!
1168818500 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ