1168560074 M * daniel_hozac so what features do people want to see in 0.30.213? i'm thinking build -m urpmi/clone and vdevmap configuration...
1168560080 M * daniel_hozac in addition to what's already there, i mean.
1168560099 M * derjohn ah, that is a bug! :80:80 appeas on a std-debian ?
1168560150 M * derjohn *appears
1168560202 M * orzel it might be a mismatch during updating
1168560228 M * orzel daniel_hozac:  i want ipv6 , although i dont know recent dev on this matter :)
1168560239 M * daniel_hozac IPv6 is supported since 0.30.212.
1168560253 M * daniel_hozac (if you're using bonbons' patch)
1168560285 M * orzel bonbon ?? :) what a name
1168560292 M * orzel is that a guy ?
1168560324 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, is auto-choose-free-context-id something for 213 ?
1168560360 M * derjohn orzel, no need to flirt, he is a guy :)
1168560364 M * daniel_hozac i.e. dynamic contexts in userspace? i've got that on my TODO, so i guess i could schedule that for 0.30.213.
1168560384 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: I'd like a runit init scheme please :)
1168560395 M * orzel derjohn: is he french or something not too far  ?
1168560397 M * daniel_hozac patches accepted :)
1168560404 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: but if persistent contexts could be made to work reliably, that'd be a start
1168560414 M * daniel_hozac should work fine in 0.30.213-pre1 already.
1168560434 M * derjohn orzel, i think on belgium or such .... check out his webpage ...
1168560435 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: well, I can submit how I do runit inside vservers on the wiki, can you suggest where I should put it?
1168560437 M * daniel_hozac # vserver-stat
1168560438 M * daniel_hozac CTX   PROC    VSZ    RSS  userTIME   sysTIME    UPTIME NAME
1168560438 M * daniel_hozac 8010     0     0      0    0m00s73   0m00s50   1d04h11 fc6
1168560497 M * daniel_hozac Guy-: somewhere in the util-vserver: namespace, i guess.
1168560515 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, dynamic contexts in userspace, yes, but the term is misleading, as the context is surely not _in: userspace. but we mean the same thing ;)
1168560538 M * daniel_hozac well, userspace generated dynamic contexts then.
1168560628 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: in initstyle plain, what PID does the init process inside the vserver appear to have?
1168560637 M * daniel_hozac 1, of course.
1168560637 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, ah, do we already have a way to run script after a "build" mit a template ? Or is the intended way " && myscript.sh ?
1168560645 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: wow, I missed that somehow
1168560658 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, userspace generated dynamic context sounds fine.
1168560689 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: -d X will automatically invoke a /etc/vservers/.distributions/X/initpost after building it by default.
1168560702 M * daniel_hozac (if it exists, that is)
1168560853 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, ok, thx, nice to know. but for the distribution or "templates" accross several servers , I think the script should be "attached" to the template somehow, not the servers config dir. besides that the scripts could differ between different templates of the same distri.
1168560897 M * derjohn say "fc5 with typo3" vs. "fc5 with aolserver" or so ...
1168560945 M * daniel_hozac so, create multiple distributions.
1168560956 M * daniel_hozac -d fc5typo3 and -d fc5aol
1168560957 M * Bertl fc5_typo3 :)
1168561044 M * derjohn ok, you convinced me :) 
1168561061 M * derjohn if there also a recommended dir for putting the templates to ?
1168561098 M * daniel_hozac doesn't really matter as you need to specify the path to them anyway.
1168561175 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, isnt there a switch where I specify the initpost's path, too *g* ?
1168561318 M * daniel_hozac well, if you'd want to do that it's just easier to do && script yourself, no?
1168561810 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, yes, I am convinced. I'll do ot that way !
1168561835 M * derjohn bye folks, /me now zZZZzzzz
1168561842 M * Bertl good night derjohn!
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1168563924 J * DavidS ~david@chello062178045213.16.11.tuwien.teleweb.at
1168564413 J * Adrien-modulis ~root@hvmoduli.enter-net.com
1168564430 P * Adrien-modulis 
1168564633 J * dna_ ~naucki@44-236-dsl.kielnet.net
1168565021 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1168565571 Q * dna_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1168565997 M * Guy- daniel_hozac: I added my stuff to http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:InitStyles, feel free to move it around
1168566162 M * Bertl okay, tx
1168566202 M * Guy- hey, it's the least I could do
1168566230 M * Bertl well, none of the developers like to write wiki pages ...
1168566252 M * Bertl we prefer to focus on coding and such :)
1168566284 M * Guy- why does this sound familiar? :)
1168566299 M * Bertl no idea *G*
1168566300 M * Guy- I'm happy to write documentation, but I can only document things I understand
1168566400 M * Bertl well, what do you like to understand next? :)
1168566482 M * Guy- I'm afraid that's not how it works with me :)
1168566519 M * Guy- however, I'm starting to use vserver more and more, so I expect the number of things I fancy I understand to grow :)
1168566530 M * DavidS Guy-: read your page, understood it. => very good :)
1168566535 M * DavidS 'night
1168566545 M * Guy- DavidS: thanks, good night :)
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1168566570 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax7-049.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168566644 M * Bertl morning Aiken_!
1168566758 M * Aiken_ hi
1168566768 M * hardwire bleh
1168566772 M * Aiken_ did you get anywhere with the reaper?
1168566873 M * Bertl not really, I did postpone it as the pid spaces are slowly getting in
1168566899 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168566924 M * Bertl i.e. nothing to test on 2.6.20 atm, but new 2.6.19 versions
1168566931 M * Aiken_ ok
1168566988 M * Aiken_ the only 2.6.19.X I have been using is 2.2.0-rc6 on this machine (athlon) and have been happy
1168567096 M * Bertl -rc7 and new tools are there, with a new vserver-stat
1168567118 M * Bertl (utilizing some of the new kernel interfaces)
1168569972 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@2001:5c0:84dc:1:211:9ff:feca:b042
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1168575194 J * glut glut@no.suid.pl
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1168576708 J * _ ~hollow@styx.xnull.de
1168576766 Q * ruskie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1168576766 Q * Hollow Read error: Connection reset by peer
1168576766 N * _ Hollow
1168576832 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net
1168581080 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya!
1168581086 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1168581581 M * Radiance night BertI
1168583255 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax6-197.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1168591373 J * eyck_ ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1168591853 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-4-53-242.bhm.bellsouth.net
1168592213 J * miller7 ~999@213.5.62.33
1168592233 M * miller7 Hello everyone
1168592343 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@125-225-104-70.dynamic.hinet.net
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1168593074 M * miller7 Anyone here running vserver under a 64bit environment?
1168593083 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1168593148 J * prae ~benjamin@82.226.30.230
1168593199 M * miller7 daniel_hozac: what host OS are u using?
1168593217 M * daniel_hozac FC5.
1168593224 M * miller7 and guest OS?
1168593227 M * miller7 the same?
1168593238 M * daniel_hozac i think so, i haven't updated them for a while.
1168593254 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1168593320 M * daniel_hozac why do you ask?
1168593335 M * miller7 cause I want to make a new installation on an Intel 64bit CPU
1168593342 M * miller7 and I want to see what I should do
1168593351 M * miller7 I prefer Gentoo or Debian though
1168593355 M * miller7 I dislike RH stuff
1168593395 M * daniel_hozac should work fine regardless of your distribution...
1168593415 M * miller7 would 32bit installations work inside a 64bit host?
1168593421 M * miller7 32bit clients
1168593423 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1168593435 M * daniel_hozac as long as you enable the 32-bit compat support in the kernel.
1168593441 M * miller7 ic
1168593582 J * eyck ~eyck@nat.nowanet.pl
1168594100 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-149-109-85.hive.is
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1168595414 M * djrise hello everyone
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1168598674 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
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1168601814 J * dreamind ~dreamind@p54A7A789.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1168601897 M * dreamind Hi folks
1168601913 M * dreamind I just got a very strange kernel oops when stopping all vserver guests on a debian machine...
1168601945 M * daniel_hozac as expected. the current Debian kernel is broken.
1168601974 M * dreamind http://paste.linux-vserver.org/868
1168601983 M * dreamind no its a self compiled 2.6.19.2 + vserver
1168602005 M * dreamind but I used the same config as the debian kernel
1168602016 M * dreamind maybe somehow related to a strange config option, they use?
1168602091 M * daniel_hozac any config should work
1168602116 M * daniel_hozac 2.2.0-rc7 is the most recent patch, but i don't think it fixes anything like this.
1168602125 M * daniel_hozac do you have the vmlinux around?
1168602137 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: yep
1168602142 M * daniel_hozac (and did you enable CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO?)
1168602206 M * daniel_hozac addr2line -e vmlinux ffffffff80260b31 ffffffff8823d468 ffffffff8824ecdb ffffffff802c90f8 ffffffff802d1286
1168602213 M * Loki|muh btw: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net there is a new kernel which has no oopses
1168602245 M * daniel_hozac i assume you have an NFS mount in your guest's fstab?
1168602516 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: nope
1168602525 M * daniel_hozac but you have one on the host?
1168602528 M * dreamind didn't enable config_debug_info
1168602545 M * daniel_hozac so addr2line doesn't give anything usable?
1168602546 M * dreamind yep I think there is some nfs mount
1168602576 M * dreamind addr2line: vmlinuz-2.6.19.2-vs2.2.0-rc6-dgx-amd64: File format not recognized
1168602588 M * daniel_hozac vmlinux, not vmlinuz
1168602600 M * dreamind oh well...
1168602602 M * daniel_hozac the giant file at the top of the source tree.
1168602610 M * dreamind that orginal vmlinux got deleted
1168602624 M * dreamind I have a build script which cleans the source after a kernel build
1168602779 M * dreamind well I build the vmlinux again and prevent cleaning, lets see what happens ;)
1168603273 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1168603318 M * cryptronic  hi all
1168603397 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_))
1168603406 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4E533.dip.t-dialin.net
1168603517 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: well just build the kernel and it didn't print out any correct information
1168603523 M * dreamind just ??:0 lines
1168603544 M * dreamind so I'll build with config_debug_info - trigger the bug again and use addr2line
1168603555 M * daniel_hozac ok.
1168603676 M * dreamind the strange thing is, it only happens when stopping a vserver
1168603704 M * daniel_hozac i.e. not when unmounting the NFS in the namespace manually?
1168603852 M * dreamind when umounting the nfs mount, it doesn't oops
1168603877 M * dreamind but when stopping that vserver with the nfs mount point the kernel still oopses
1168603903 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1168603916 M * daniel_hozac i guess i have an idea... i'll have to investigate some more though.
1168603920 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, I have a strange situation here: i have created a vserver with several limit's and in the guest i wanted to start apache but apache doens't start because of "no space left on device" but disk isn't full and none of the limits get hit
1168603963 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: df -h? small /tmp where apache expects a bigger one?
1168604008 M * daniel_hozac strace'ing httpd would probably be a good idea, to get some clues.
1168604012 M * cryptronic i have removed the tmp in fstab df -h says that there is 8,1 GB remainig
1168604070 M * cryptronic vs v2.1.1 on kernel 2.6.18 and util-vserver 211
1168604144 M * daniel_hozac ok, try the strace then.
1168604154 M * cryptronic ok
1168604191 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1168604393 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, are these lines of interest? http://paste.linux-vserver.org/870
1168604419 M * daniel_hozac not especially, i guess.
1168604433 M * daniel_hozac anything returning ENOSPC would be though.
1168604534 M * cryptronic there is no ENOSPC at all
1168604559 M * cryptronic these are the last lines of strace: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/871
1168604629 M * daniel_hozac did you remember to use the -fF options to strace?
1168604636 M * cryptronic now sry
1168604672 M * cryptronic semget(IPC_PRIVATE, 1, IPC_CREAT|0600)  = -1 ENOSPC (No space left on device)
1168604701 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: ok, so i guess i know what happens... i'm not quite sure how to proceed though. seems like this should be triggerable on mainline as well.
1168604712 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: oh, bad
1168604713 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-218-032.pools.arcor-ip.net
1168604732 M * dreamind or good, depends ;)
1168604810 M * daniel_hozac i'll create a test-case to see if i can reproduce it.
1168604887 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: ok
1168604959 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, now i removed all limits and restarted the guest but it shows again only my limited diskspace
1168605005 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: hmm? you mean the disk limit is still there?
1168605016 M * cryptronic yes
1168605034 M * cryptronic i removed dlimis in /etc/vserver/guest/
1168605048 M * daniel_hozac that's expected, i guess.
1168605056 M * daniel_hozac IIRC we don't remove disk limits when stopping the guest.
1168605069 M * daniel_hozac but i suppose we should.
1168605082 M * cryptronic is there a possibility to remove the limit by hand?
1168605084 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: do you need that addr2line output?
1168605108 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: vdlimit --remove --xid <guest> <path> or something like that. consult --help if that doesn't work.
1168605118 M * cryptronic thx just a moment
1168605137 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: i guess that'd confirm my suspicions, at least.
1168605142 M * dreamind ok
1168605147 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: still compiling
1168605155 M * dreamind should have enabled ccache on that machine :(
1168605225 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, limit is now removed, but nothing changed same error, there are df -h
1168605236 M * cryptronic there are 246 GB available
1168605257 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: right. seems to be a problem with the semaphores, not disk space.
1168605360 M * cryptronic what are semaphores?
1168605395 M * cryptronic and how could i prevent that?
1168605493 M * daniel_hozac semaphores are used for synchronization between processes.
1168605565 M * cryptronic a thx
1168605570 M * daniel_hozac how to fix it... i'm not sure.
1168605586 M * daniel_hozac i think there should be some configuration in /proc/sys.
1168605615 M * cryptronic i have running on that machine several other guests and in each apache working fine
1168605658 M * daniel_hozac maybe you've run out of semaphores?
1168605663 M * daniel_hozac how many guests are you running?
1168605670 M * daniel_hozac with apache, i mean.
1168605698 M * cryptronic 12 and the 13th did not work
1168605702 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: ok, seems i can reproduce it.
1168605735 M * daniel_hozac that'd mean 36 semaphores... doesn't sound like a reasonable limit to me. you should poke around in /proc/sys to see if you can find something.
1168605817 M * Hollow i had ipc problems with apache as well, even without limits.. ipcs showed a lot of semaphores, i removed them with ipcrm and all was fine again .. *shrug*
1168605877 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: oh nice
1168605880 M * cryptronic Hollow, how do i have to use ipcrm?
1168605908 M * Hollow use ipcs to get a list of semaphores, then ipcrm -s <semid>
1168605930 M * cryptronic in guest or host?
1168605935 M * Hollow but be carefull with deleting semaphores ;)
1168605948 M * Hollow ehm.. not sure, try both :)
1168605957 M * Hollow but guest i think it was
1168605969 M * daniel_hozac with 2.6.19+, you'll need to do it in the guest.
1168605980 M * Hollow indeed
1168605986 M * daniel_hozac i don't think there's any visibility stuff done for that at least.
1168606067 M * cryptronic ipsc and ipcrm doesn'T show me anything :( so i think i have to reboot?
1168606083 M * Hollow nah, you only reboot for kernel updates
1168606111 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: how is that reproducable?
1168606115 M * cryptronic ok ;) but i have to get this apache running ;)
1168606116 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168606128 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: the NFS oops?
1168606136 M * Hollow the ENOSPC thing
1168606144 M * daniel_hozac oh, i don't know.
1168606152 M * daniel_hozac ipcs should list them.
1168606166 M * Hollow ah yeah.. you told "i can reproduce it" to dreamind ;)
1168606173 M * daniel_hozac yep ;)
1168606194 M * Hollow cryptronic: you tried ipcs on the host?
1168606200 M * cryptronic ipcs -a
1168606208 M * Hollow yep ..
1168606223 M * cryptronic but have a 2.6.18 kernel
1168606235 M * daniel_hozac try chcontext --xid 1 ipcs -a then.
1168606256 M * cryptronic nothing :(
1168606262 M * Hollow same here
1168606282 M * Hollow actually on my vserver box i have no semaphores at all.. but i have plenty of apaches running
1168606304 M * Hollow well.. neither xid=0 nor xid=1 see semaphores
1168606311 M * daniel_hozac maybe there's some module/configuration option/whatever required?
1168606311 M * Hollow but inside it works
1168606320 M * Hollow ah wait.. this is 2.6.19
1168606322 J * Quicky ~Marine@LPuteaux-151-41-43-212.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1168606337 M * Quicky Hello
1168606347 M * daniel_hozac xid 0 can see them all on my 2.6.17-based host.
1168606350 M * daniel_hozac hi
1168606375 M * cryptronic xid 0 says: vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): No such process
1168606376 M * Quicky Could someone tell me please, how to create a new vserver from a template, under Debian Sarge ?
1168606377 M * cryptronic hi Quicky 
1168606398 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: xid 0 means just running it in the host.
1168606406 M * daniel_hozac i.e. no chcontext necessary.
1168606411 M * cryptronic Quicky, skeleton and unpack the tar inside the guests root dir
1168606414 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: btw, on 2.0.1 i got vc_set_namespace() operation not permitted during "vserver ... start" but with 2.2.0-rc6 (at least) it works (0.30.212 this is)
1168606432 M * Hollow is this expected?
1168606433 M * daniel_hozac Quicky: do you have the template already? vserver ... build -m template ... -- -t <path to template> should do it then.
1168606443 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: no, i have no idea where it's coming from.
1168606465 M * cryptronic I try all ipcs but i didn't get any semaphores
1168606467 M * daniel_hozac IMHO the only thing that would cause it is if there was already a namespace set.
1168606469 M * Quicky Yes, I installed a new server, configured it and then I did a "tar xzvf" of it
1168606478 M * Hollow me neither, i just updated the kernel since it is a production box
1168606497 M * daniel_hozac but that doesn't make sense, as vnamespace --set is _right_after_ vcontext --create.
1168606521 M * daniel_hozac i must've messed something up with the spaces, but i can't figure out what.
1168606523 M * Hollow yeah, it really makes no sense..
1168606542 M * daniel_hozac i've been over the code a couple of times already, i don't see anything seriously wrong.
1168606549 M * Quicky Thanks daniel_hozac and cryptronic, I will try that way
1168606550 Q * cdrx Remote host closed the connection
1168606562 M * Hollow so i'm not the only one seeing this error?
1168606574 M * daniel_hozac no, i've had at least 2 other reports.
1168606612 M * daniel_hozac i'll have to dig up an older kernel myself one of these days and see what's causing it.
1168606614 M * Hollow i see.. it also happend on two differnt boxes at the same time (update to 0.30.212)
1168606640 M * Hollow yeah .. if you need some help to track it down, just drop a note
1168606646 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1168606654 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1168606699 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, Hollow on other guests with a running apache i get semaphores but not in the guest where i want to start the apache
1168606709 M * daniel_hozac right.
1168606731 M * Quicky daniel_hozac: I got following message : Unknown build-method 'template'
1168606733 M * daniel_hozac do you have a lot of semaphores in any of the other guests?
1168606751 M * daniel_hozac Quicky: older utils then, you'll have to use cryptronic's manual method instead.
1168606784 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, normaly 10 sema. in one 30
1168606800 M * cryptronic Quicky, maybe you want to test openvcp?
1168606805 M * Quicky OK, thanks
1168606826 M * Quicky cryptonic: Heu.. maybe ? I don't know openvcp
1168606833 M * cryptronic www.openvcp.org
1168606911 M * Quicky cryptronic: Thanks, I'll have a look at this
1168606920 M * cryptronic Quicky, np ;)
1168607101 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, are this to much semaphores?
1168607120 M * daniel_hozac cryptronic: i guess that depends on what your settings are.
1168607163 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: ok, got it reproduced on a vanilla-ish (i.e. non-vserver) kernel. i'll read over the code and see if i can come up with a solution.
1168607203 M * cryptronic daniel_hozac, these are my semaphores in /proc: 250     32000   32      128 how can I change these?
1168607280 M * cryptronic oh mom this was sem and there are also shm files shmall is smaler than shmmax
1168608260 M * cryptronic ok i think this is a problem of mine not a util vserver or kernel problem right?
1168608294 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-117.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168608611 M * daniel_hozac i think it's a configuration problem, but i wouldn't bet on it.
1168608614 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1168608661 M * cryptronic which configuration could that be or which setting?
1168608683 M * daniel_hozac i don't know.
1168608722 M * cryptronic ok i#ll think i ask bertl later ;)
1168608777 M * cryptronic but thanks for help daniel_hozac 
1168608821 J * DavidS ~david@www.heureka.co.at
1168609021 M * daniel_hozac dreamind: this delta does it for me, and i don't _think_ it should have any unwanted side-effects: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-exit-fix01.diff
1168609354 Q * phedny charon.oftc.net venus.oftc.net
1168609354 Q * nou charon.oftc.net venus.oftc.net
1168609365 J * ruskie_ ruskie@goatse.co.uk
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1168609370 M * daniel_hozac is it just me, or is kernel.org slower than usual?
1168609394 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-232-82.hive.is
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1168609442 J * phedny ~mark@phedny.vps.van-cuijk.nl
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1168610595 J * dna ~naucki@39-226-dsl.kielnet.net
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1168610604 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net
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1168613023 M * Quicky A question again please : is there an option like "--vsroot" to tell Vserver where to put files for a new virtual server, instead of default /var/lib/vservers/ directory (under Debian)
1168613067 M * daniel_hozac --rootdir, you mean?
1168613160 M * Quicky I will try this
1168613210 M * Quicky daniel_hozac: Yes, it works !! Thanks a lot.
1168613248 M * Quicky But I don't understand, I couldn't find this option in vserver help...
1168613290 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1168613322 M * Quicky hum... It is not very clear for me
1168613331 M * Quicky I see 2 derctories :
1168613347 M * Quicky /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/  and  /var/lib/vservers/
1168613366 M * Quicky These 2 directories seem to contain the same things
1168613383 M * daniel_hozac the first is a symlink to the latter, so that's rather expected...
1168613435 M * daniel_hozac and --rootdir is mentioned on vserver ... build --help
1168613510 M * Quicky OK, I understood !! Thanks again
1168614550 J * fcbarcelona ~fcbarcelo@82.198.125.154
1168614564 Q * fcbarcelona 
1168614569 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: Linux-VServer supports any architecture the pristine kernel tree does - right?
1168614577 M * daniel_hozac that's the goal, yes.
1168614627 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1168614691 M * meandtheshell "goal" by now are all supported or are there any arch mainline supports and Linux-VServer does not - /me is currently not up-to-date about this issue ... 
1168614726 M * meandtheshell *does not?
1168614767 M * meandtheshell sure, I'am not talking about Linux-VServer on iPod or so just "real" computers
1168614831 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: ok I'll try
1168614850 M * daniel_hozac me neither... a quick peak makes me think xtensa and avr32 aren't supported.
1168614898 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: I see ...
1168614923 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: where did you look this information up? URL?
1168614934 M * meandtheshell *look up
1168614950 M * daniel_hozac lsdiff patch-2.6.19.2-vs2.2.0-rc7.diff | grep arch and ls arch ;)
1168614961 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: hehe - I see 
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1168615052 M * dreamind daniel_hozac: kernel builds ;)
1168615893 J * marcfiu ~mef@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
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1168616774 J * dna ~naucki@39-226-dsl.kielnet.net
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1168617035 J * dna ~naucki@39-226-dsl.kielnet.net
1168617161 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-55-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
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1168620068 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1168621038 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1168621596 M * Quicky exit
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1168624441 J * fcbarcelona ~fcbarcelo@82.198.125.154
1168624490 Q * fcbarcelona 
1168625038 J * DavidS ~david@chello062178169039.13.14.vie.surfer.at
1168625293 J * fcbarcelona ~fcbarcelo@82.198.125.154
1168625295 J * yakker ~yakker@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1168625334 M * yakker is vserver expected to run inside user-mode linux? 
1168625386 M * yakker (i tried and all the tools segfault)
1168625415 M * hardwire yes
1168625435 M * hardwire but I think its rather silly personally
1168625472 M * yakker hardwire, just for testing
1168626057 Q * fcbarcelona Remote host closed the connection
1168627113 Q * yakker Remote host closed the connection
1168627399 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1168627403 M * Bertl morning folks!
1168627457 M * Bertl meandtheshell: yes, it is supposed to run on any arch we can get our hands on, and it runs fine on embedded systems too, like my ipaq :)
1168627549 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: interesting, what 'symptoms' do you see without the delta-exit-fix01?
1168627710 M * cehteh mhm .. Bertl in looking at the map, picking me up in karlsruhe would be a really big 'umweg' on the way to oldenburg.. unless you are in the very west of austria, bregenz or such
1168627734 M * cehteh (but thats not the case iirc)
1168627749 M * meandtheshell Bertl: first of all >mornig< to you too :)
1168627749 M * meandtheshell second: thank you for answering and 
1168627749 M * meandtheshell third another question o:-)
1168627749 M * meandtheshell http://linux-vserver.org/Paper#File_Attributes can you explain the meaning of the characters in the first column e.g. "s", "u" and so on to me ... the rest is is clear but I've got no idea about those single characters 
1168627797 M * Bertl the first letter should be a separate column
1168627819 M * meandtheshell ok - telling me what?
1168627821 M * Bertl it is the 'option' you use to chattr and which is used to show the attribute in lsattr
1168627830 M * meandtheshell ahhh ...
1168627834 M * meandtheshell :)
1168627861 M * Bertl the second 'column' is the name used by the kernel
1168627875 M * meandtheshell sure - macro
1168627886 M * Bertl (usually something like FL_ATTR_IMMUTABLE or MS_IMMUTABLE or so)
1168627955 M * meandtheshell another thing would be fine to know .... so every file system uses _some_ of them - where can I finde a listing or so of all possible attributes for _all_ file systems?
1168627956 M * Bertl would be nice if you could add the column separator and a heading for col 2- (plus a note, what the first column is) 
1168627974 M * meandtheshell Bertl: sure - will do that right now
1168627984 M * Bertl the note best be placed below the table as a heading would make that single char column too wide
1168628013 M * Bertl meandtheshell: only in the kernel sources
1168628034 M * Bertl in general the following is true:
1168628051 M * Bertl - the listed attributes are defined
1168628066 M * Bertl - _many_ filesystems use _some_ of them
1168628084 M * meandtheshell but none all - right?
1168628107 M * Bertl ext2 at some point did use/plan to use all of them#
1168628116 M * meandtheshell ok
1168628120 M * Bertl but here is the next truth:
1168628146 M * Bertl - many _defined_ and _understood_ attributes have no effect
1168628218 M * Bertl if you want to do some kind of attribute overview
1168628224 M * meandtheshell so why are they there then if no effect?
1168628232 M * Bertl the best way is to grep through the kernel in the following way
1168628251 M * meandtheshell Bertl: sure - in the curse of makein the first column I might add this information to the wiki
1168628268 M * Bertl most filesystems define those flags in a specific header file
1168628280 M * meandtheshell s/curse/course/ :)
1168628289 M * Bertl they also define a so called User Modifiable Mask
1168628309 M * Bertl those are the flags the user can change with the ioctls 
1168628330 M * Bertl the flags have partially different meaning depending on the node type
1168628343 M * Bertl (i.e. dir, inode, fifo, pipe, device)
1168628349 M * meandtheshell "node type" means?
1168628353 M * meandtheshell ok
1168628356 M * meandtheshell sure
1168628400 M * Bertl and it's not trivial to say if a filesystem makes use of any user modifiable flag
1168628422 M * Bertl things like immutable are easy to verify (from userspace)
1168628438 M * Bertl but e.g. NOTAIL?
1168628492 M * Bertl usually only source code review will show if it is used/implemented
1168628514 M * meandtheshell I see 
1168628592 M * meandtheshell so _defined_ and/or _understood_ is not enough to tell if it is supported/used - rather that one needs to take a look in the source - right?
1168628625 M * Bertl yes, for example, if that didn't change, the COMPR is defined, and well understood by ext2/3
1168628639 M * Bertl but there is no implementation there, i.e. nothing is compressed
1168628685 M * Bertl I think you can still set/query that flag with lsattr/chattr ..
1168628757 M * meandtheshell not bad ... I will add this information to the wiki within the next 1-3 hours or so 
1168628763 M * meandtheshell Bertl: thank you 
1168629045 M * Bertl you're welcome! and thanks for improving the wiki!
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1168631929 M * meandtheshell Bertl: http://linux-vserver.org/Paper#File_Attributes you may check again ... tell me if you want something changed
1168632024 M * Bertl yeah, as I said before, please move the col #1 heading to a note below the table
1168632043 M * Bertl we do not want to have a 2" column for a single character :)
1168632061 M * meandtheshell ok
1168632199 M * Bertl rest looks fine, tx
1168632211 M * meandtheshell no problem 
1168633069 M * cehteh does someone of you offer managed typo3 hosting .. prolly inside vserver, small site
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1168634705 J * dreamind ~dreamind@p548A9E34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1168634712 Q * dreamind 
1168636318 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.37.103
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1168636738 J * Action ~action@am1-nat-136-13.planetsky.com
1168636934 J * weasel weasel@asteria.debian.or.at
1168637018 M * Bertl welcome Action!
1168637154 P * Action 
1168637229 J * yakker ~yakker@aegis.CS.Princeton.EDU
1168637233 M * yakker hullo
1168637288 M * Bertl hey yakker! :)
1168637291 M * marcfiu welcome yakker.
1168637303 N * yakker er
1168637330 M * er looks like i didn't succeed in staying under the radar :)
1168637340 M * Bertl nope, failed terribly :)
1168637373 M * er so - I have VServer running inside UML 2.6.17.3 and it works fine
1168637393 M * Bertl okay, as expected, but 2.6.18+ gives issues, yes?
1168637401 M * er it was crashing under 2.6.19, but it wasn't the only thing that was
1168637418 M * Bertl I heard Jeff is inestigating?
1168637420 M * er there have been issues in UML 2..18+
1168637424 M * Bertl *investigating
1168637464 M * er yes, he's been trying to track down a hangup on 2.6.18-FC
1168637483 M * Bertl did you try with vanilla 2.6.19.2 yet?
1168637497 M * Bertl i.e. does UML work or fail there?
1168637503 M * er failed for me
1168637515 M * er (vanilla 2.6.19.2 running on a 2.6.19-skas3)
1168637524 M * Bertl i.c. and without skas?
1168637548 M * er Didn't try that - I could if it'd be useful
1168637549 M * Bertl btw, what toolchain? (compiler/binutils)?
1168637559 M * er hm. just a second.
1168637569 M * Bertl we encounter the stranges issues with 4.1.1/4.1.2 here
1168637576 M * Radiance hmm any one encountered an issue with compiling 2.6.19.x vanilla + vserver(grsec) patch ? I noticed when i compile 2.6.19.x without any patch then it builds fine. The moment i apply a patch i see alot of warnings about Missing initializers causing the build to fail with about 153 error ...
1168637580 M * Bertl (depending on distro and version)
1168637593 M * er gcc version 4.1.1 (Gentoo 4.1.1)
1168637605 M * Bertl Radiance: could you try with the mainline vserver aptch?
1168637630 M * Radiance ok i will try that now heh
1168637632 M * Bertl Radiance: I'd be interested in _any_ warning you get with that (which is not in vanill)
1168637641 M * Bertl *vanilla
1168637645 M * er binutils  2.16.1-r3
1168637671 M * Radiance i have a feeling it should compile fine but i will try it to be sure. I suspect the grsec part is using some flags which throw up too many warnings or so
1168637674 M * Radiance brb bud
1168637678 M * Bertl er: if UML without skas fails too, I'd suggest to try to compile UML with a 3.3.x toolchain
1168637728 M * er Bertl, ok, have you encountered problems with gcc 4.1?
1168637778 M * Bertl yes, with one version util-vserver (the alternate syscall stuff) breaks horribly
1168637797 M * Bertl on x86_64 I have a lot of issues with qemu not running as expected
1168637808 M * Bertl (all that with 4.1.x)
1168637825 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
1168637831 M * Bertl wb gerrit!
1168637858 M * er Bertl, ok - i had to recompile util-vserver (with gcc-4.1) to get it to work
1168637866 M * er otherwise the tools just segfaulted on startup
1168637940 M * gerrit rehi Bertl
1168638447 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: when there's an NFS mount in the namespace, fs/lockd/svc.c:lockd_down will cause an oops in spin_lock_irq(&current->sighand->siglock); since exit_notify seems to call release_task which sets current->sighand to NULL.
1168638477 M * Bertl ah, ic, was that reported upstream yet?
1168638491 M * Bertl (I assume that is an upstream issue too, no?)
1168638713 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i haven't reported it yet.
1168638785 M * Radiance BertI, it compiles fine with the vserver patch. So the issue is with grsec added to the patch heh
1168638807 M * Radiance i remember something about -Wextra being responsible for alot of warnings but not sure 
1168638859 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure if moving exit_task_namespaces to before exit_notify is a good idea though.
1168638876 M * daniel_hozac especially not with the pid spaces in 2.6.20 (which still has the problem, AFAICT).
1168638999 M * Bertl please send a note to lkml, describing the issue (cc: me, eric, andrew)
1168639050 M * daniel_hozac okay.
1168639123 Q * er Quit: Leaving
1168640187 P * marcfiu 
1168642508 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1168642908 J * tompet ~Tom@85.135.175.155
1168642940 M * tompet helloooo everybody
1168642941 M * tompet :D
1168642993 M * daniel_hozac hi
1168643085 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-206.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1168643143 J * kick ~kick@84.77.6.60
1168643162 M * Bertl welcome tompet! kick! morning Aiken!
1168643172 M * kick hi everbody
1168643179 M * Aiken hi
1168643180 M * tompet hellooo,
1168643352 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: seems to be even worse on 2.6.20-rc4-git6, i get oopses in a seemingly infinite loop.
1168643370 M * hardwire loopses
1168643371 M * hardwire :)
1168643451 M * Bertl nice ...
1168643459 Q * tompet Quit: Leaving
1168643492 M * daniel_hozac i've got minicom in capture mode now, so i'll be able to get the first few at least.
1168644067 J * mountie ~mountie@CPE0080c6fe323f-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1168644275 M * Bertl welcome mountie!
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1168645191 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@jdlewis.org