1168214936 M * Bertl blino: great! 1168214973 M * Bertl blino: btw, the apt(rpm?) installation you were talking about? 1168214999 M * Bertl this would be a good choice until there is a special urpmi install method 1168215028 M * Bertl could you pass the necessary info to daniel_hozac to get that working? 1168215057 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-147-90-220.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168215823 Q * Johnnie Remote host closed the connection 1168215860 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@jdlewis.org 1168216109 M * dreamind nite folks ;) 1168216113 M * dreamind hi Bertl btw ;) 1168216185 M * Bertl good night dreamind! 1168216200 M * dreamind thanks :) 1168216224 M * blino Bertl: actually, we already have an urpmi install method 1168216634 M * Bertl ah, even better :) 1168216659 M * Bertl care to share the details, as I'm using mandriva in some places :) 1168217180 A * Belu is away (bye bye) 1168217182 N * Belu BeLu_zZZz 1168217189 M * blino Bertl: we have a patch in our util-vserver package that adds urpmi support 1168217202 M * blino Bertl: I'll talk about it tomorrow then, good night :) 1168217218 M * Bertl okay, tx, have a good one! 1168218868 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168219404 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-17-177-48.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168220751 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1168220756 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1168220757 Q * dreamind 1168223550 Q * micah_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168223805 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1168224299 Q * micah Read error: No route to host 1168224537 J * micah ~micah@208.99.202.72 1168224870 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1168225033 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168227015 J * FireEgl Proteus@adsl-17-177-48.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168227371 N * AndrewLe1 AndrewLee 1168227845 Q * meandtheshel1 Quit: Leaving. 1168232032 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1168232669 Q * hardwire Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1168232728 N * hardwirea hardwire 1168232941 Q * mugwump Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168234640 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-17-177-48.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168236080 Q * Zaki Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168237301 Q * FireEgl Quit: ... 1168237825 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@adsl-17-177-48.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168240263 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-225.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1168240588 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168240948 Q * WorkRoey Remote host closed the connection 1168241476 J * duckx ~Duck@tox.dyndns.org 1168241538 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya! 1168241543 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1168243783 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-55-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1168243783 Q * ntrs__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1168244589 J * lcabrera ~lcabrera@34.Red-213-96-178.staticIP.rima-tde.net 1168246006 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1168247589 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1168248838 J * dna ~naucki@202-193-dsl.kielnet.net 1168249131 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168249741 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D7B9A.dip.t-dialin.net 1168250674 M * borgfish hmm 1168250718 M * borgfish problem: i cannot make my drbd secondary. its still in use i guess by the stopped vservers namespace 1168250746 M * borgfish vnamespace -e testvs1 umount /vservers/testvs1 -- with running testvs1 it tells its busy 1168250780 M * borgfish with stopped testvs1 it tells vnamespace: vc_xidopt2xid("testvs2"): no such file or directory 1168250788 M * borgfish where to put this line ? 1168250836 M * borgfish testvs1:/# mount 1168250848 M * borgfish . /dev/hdv1 on / type ufs 1168250877 M * borgfish can u unmount this when all services are stopped but the context isnt destroyed yet ? 1168252163 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-149-109-85.hive.is 1168253099 J * cdrx ~legoater@242.32.96-84.rev.gaoland.net 1168253354 M * borgfish this is indeed uglsy 1168253370 M * borgfish no vservers running, no drbd mounted. but i cannot go into secondary 1168253387 M * borgfish where to delete the namespace copies ? i did a manual vnamespace unmount 1168254235 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1168254475 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-38-26.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1168255730 M * borgfish ok the mounts were not written in mtab i found them in /proc 1168256892 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax6-103.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1168257213 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168257783 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_)) 1168257793 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4DB06.dip.t-dialin.net 1168258303 N * BeLu_zZZz Belu 1168258350 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-195-116.pools.arcor-ip.net 1168258803 Q * SiD3WiNDR Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168258954 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1168259162 A * Belu is away (bye bye) 1168259281 A * Belu is away (bye bye) 1168259779 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1168259827 J * bandsaw me@host217-45-242-181.in-addr.btopenworld.com 1168259843 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1168260259 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168260873 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-195-116.pools.arcor-ip.net 1168261210 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1168261349 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-195-116.pools.arcor-ip.net 1168261563 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1168261799 Q * Aiken__ Quit: Leaving 1168262042 J * nayco ~nayco@proxy2.laroche.univ-nantes.fr 1168262051 M * nayco hello, all ! 1168262095 M * daniel_hozac hi 1168262677 M * cohan hi everybody - i finally found the screen session running irsii again ;) (after >4 months...) 1168262726 M * daniel_hozac hello 1168262746 M * cohan where does vserver-stat gather its runtime (usr-time, sys-time etc) information from? 1168262789 M * daniel_hozac it sums up the values of the currently running processes. 1168262799 M * cohan i need a method to get exact runtimes (not human-readable forms with lower accuracy) 1168262824 M * daniel_hozac /proc/virtual//sched 1168262873 M * cohan ah, okay - thx, thought the stats per context are kept somewhere else 1168265833 Q * Greek0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168266103 Q * SiD3WiNDR Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168266256 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1168266296 M * m4z Belu: darn you! 1168267359 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1168268565 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: hi daniel - considering of the term "binary compatible" only referes to having the same set of libraries on two physical machines - right? Or does it include anyting else but libraries? 1168268901 P * lcabrera 1168269065 J * Jani ~mail@vpngw.de.callforcenetwork.eu 1168269068 M * Jani Hi all 1168271280 J * chand ~chand@m815f36d0.tmodns.net 1168271351 Q * chand 1168271364 J * chand ~chand@m815f36d0.tmodns.net 1168271739 J * independence independen@blinkenshell.org 1168271757 J * chris_h ~chris@198.200.181.204 1168271783 M * chris_h does anyone know what's required to get resource limits working ? 1168271812 M * independence /proc/virtual/*/sched always shows Token: 0, doesn't this mean that there are no more tokens? 1168271827 M * independence the wikipage doesn't explain that value :/ 1168271832 M * independence I'm using vs 2.0.1 1168273504 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1168273511 Q * chris_h Quit: Leaving 1168273707 M * daniel_hozac independence: it does. 1168273786 M * independence hm, but that makes no sense 1168273815 M * independence the vserver doesn't use much resources at all, and no processes seems to be getting hold up 1168273907 M * TrueBrain do you have scheduling enabled at all? 1168274029 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1168274034 M * Bertl morning folks! 1168274059 M * TrueBrain morning Bertl 1168274084 M * Belu hello Bertl 1168274147 M * Jani Heya 1168274620 M * blino hi Bertl 1168274737 M * Bertl hey blino! so mandriva already has an urpmi build method? 1168274763 M * Bertl blino, daniel_hozac: can we get that upstream, or any issues with it? 1168274801 M * Bertl or am I 'just' behind :) 1168275101 M * independence TrueBrain: probably not, since I thought it was enabled by default :) 1168275134 M * independence I really try and read stuff on the wiki, but it's hard to get any useful information out of there sometimes 1168275139 M * blino Bertl: there are some issues, it has been submitted 2 years ago actually: http://www.paul.sladen.org/vserver/archives/200502/0105.html 1168275143 M * blino Bertl: I'll work on it 1168275163 M * independence not only because some things are just left out, but most of the info seems to be for the development version rather than for the stable version 1168275204 M * TrueBrain independence: I agree with you there. I say: update it! :) 1168275222 M * TrueBrain but then again, who am I :) 1168275225 M * independence TrueBrain: but I don't know anything, I'm just guessing my way around.. 1168275249 M * independence but to enable the scheduler, I can add the line "sched_hard" to /etc/vservers/name/flags ? 1168275295 M * Bertl blino: TIA, please keep in touch with daniel_hozac ... 1168275363 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, what interfaces are you missing in 2.2.x (vc_get_sched() and some vc_get_cacct()?) 1168275386 M * Bertl (for the 'new' vserver-stat, I presume) 1168275436 M * blino Bertl: I've tested my kernel-vserver package together with guests created with "vserver foo build -m urpmi", it seems to work fine 1168275453 M * blino Bertl: I just had to make sure dynamic context IDs are enabled in the kernel for rpm_fake to works 1168275944 M * Bertl eek 1168275959 M * Bertl dynaimc contexts are depreciated for two years now 1168275969 M * Bertl they will not be present in the upcoming releases 1168276007 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: vc_get_sched() is all i can think of, what would vc_get_cacct return? 1168276029 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, I thought to move the ticks there 1168276046 M * daniel_hozac ah, okay. well then, that's what i want ;) 1168276090 M * Bertl okay, so I think I have an idea what you need ... feel free to give specific hints though, otherwise you'll get an API tonight ... 1168276107 M * Bertl (implementation should follow shortly after) 1168276136 M * blino Bertl: well, I couldnn't make rpm_fake.so work without dynamic context IDs 1168276169 M * daniel_hozac blino: well, did you specify a static ID? 1168276222 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: msecs of user/systime should suffice. 1168276424 M * Bertl yeah, right, we planned to move to msecs for the scheduler too ... but I guess that will be post 2.2.0 stuff 1168276508 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.37.103 1168276517 M * Bertl welcome bonbons! 1168276527 M * bonbons Hey Bertl! 1168276560 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168276641 M * meandtheshell Bertl: hi Herbert - saying two machines are "binary compatible" actualy states the do have the same set of libraries (I do not presume it includes all binaries such as CLI stuff etc.) - so just libs? 1168276670 M * meandtheshell *they do have 1168276688 J * Ben81 ~Ben81@tipi0e.lri.fr 1168276710 M * Bertl meandtheshell: in the Linux-VServer guest sense, it just means that the one can execute the binaries of the other 1168276745 M * Bertl meandtheshell: so if you are referring to one of my 'binary compatible arch' statements, that means e.g. ppc and ppc64, x86 and x86_64 ...etc 1168276826 M * meandtheshell I see - so I presumed it right 1168276943 M * Bertl not sure, i.e. it is not related to libraries on the host at all 1168277002 M * Bertl you can build an x86 guest (32bit) on a K6 AMD (assumed it doesn't use K6 specific binary code) you can later move it to an intel EMT64 with 64bit userspace 1168277033 M * Bertl (given that the 64bit kernel has ia32 emulation turned on) 1168277432 J * Fire_Egl ~FireEgl@adsl-61-147-155.bhm.bellsouth.net 1168277718 M * blino daniel_hozac: should the static ID be passed by the vserver-build scripts? 1168277753 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168277760 M * daniel_hozac to rpm-fake? yeah. 1168277791 M * daniel_hozac assuming you specify it when calling vserver ... build. 1168277992 M * Bertl okay, back shortly ... 1168278410 Q * Ben81 Quit: Leaving 1168278820 M * nebuchadnezzar Hello here 1168278829 M * daniel_hozac hello there 1168278847 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: I'm making a mail to the 403332 bug, do you want a copy ? 1168278873 M * daniel_hozac i'm already getting copies. 1168278886 M * daniel_hozac i'm subscribed to all the util-vserver bugs. 1168278901 M * nebuchadnezzar ok 1168278940 M * nebuchadnezzar I explain your point of view about the --disable-alternative-syscalls, I include the diff of my debian package with the changefile 1168279352 M * Bertl back now, ah, btw, what was the final result of the syscall testing without shiny? 1168279439 M * nebuchadnezzar it fails 1168279463 M * Bertl so we have the same issue with dietlibc without shiny? 1168279467 M * nebuchadnezzar well, the tool does not works if it's the question 1168279601 M * Bertl hmm, no, actually the question is: does the dietlibc syscall have similar issues as the shiny, because that would be a good argument for a gcc issue :) 1168279601 M * nebuchadnezzar IIRC dietlibc+alternative-syscalls => fails 1168279601 M * nebuchadnezzar dietlibc+alternative-syscalls+shiny11(b) => fails 1168279601 M * nebuchadnezzar dietlibc+traditional-syscalls => ok 1168279601 M * nebuchadnezzar libc6+alternative-syscalls => ok 1168279647 M * Bertl ah, so 'traditional' has no issues with the gcc ... 1168279666 M * nebuchadnezzar yes 1168279849 M * Bertl guess I'm going to 'bite the bullet' and hardcode the syscall wrappers, as gcc seems to get more and more inline asm hostile ... 1168279959 M * Borg- Bertl: howdy... 1168279973 M * Borg- unfortunely I could not reporduce the vserver name stop thingie... 1168279994 M * Borg- suddenly everything works now... I can stop all vserver w/o problems.. every process is correctly killed... weird 1168280027 M * Bertl hmm, strange ... I'm still not sure that the current (that was 2.3.x on 2.6.20, right) implementation is perfect 1168280071 M * Bertl (in regard of the child reaper) 1168280096 M * Bertl s/of/to/ 1168280634 Q * tamitall Quit: . 1168280661 J * tamitall ~tam@gw.nettam.com 1168281363 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1168281593 M * Bertl wb shedi! 1168281604 M * shedi thank you Bertl 1168282843 M * doener Bertl: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/8/183 -- seems dave forgot to add you to CC... 1168282854 M * doener (somewhat BME related) 1168282885 M * Bertl ah, tx, yeah, they always forget :) 1168283153 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: glibc+alternative-syscalls didn't work. 1168283187 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-195-116.pools.arcor-ip.net 1168283202 Q * chand Quit: chand 1168283213 M * daniel_hozac basically, the alternative syscalls fail. 1168283246 M * Bertl yes, and always because gcc doesn't figure that the result is in a register which is overwritten by the errno call, right? 1168283262 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1168283288 M * Bertl and we also know that it doesn't happen with mainline 4.1.1 gcc 1168283295 M * doener alternative == shiny? 1168283299 M * daniel_hozac right. 1168283319 M * Bertl 4.1.2 should be out soon, no? or is it already? 1168283342 M * daniel_hozac doesn't look like it. 1168283378 M * doener daniel_hozac: with 0.30.212? 1168283412 M * daniel_hozac i guess it'd happen with older ones too, but yes. 1168283550 M * doener is the generated assembler code available? 1168283557 M * Bertl yes 1168283594 M * daniel_hozac http://www.asgardr.info/~nebu/vserver/lib_libvserver_la-checkversion.S and i guess most of the other recent files in http://www.asgardr.info/~nebu/vserver/ 1168283644 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/830 (example) 1168283699 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/831 (C code) 1168283762 M * Bertl note, %o0 is the syscall return code, assigned to a register type variable called __ret 1168283785 M * Bertl while the error condition is store in a similar register variable called __err 1168284303 M * doener ok, guess I've sorted the __err thing out now, my brain didn't like the shadowing... 1168284373 M * Bertl yeah, we thought gcc would have similar issues :) 1168284397 M * Bertl but that wasn't the case, making the register variables volatile did change the result here, but not for nebuchadnezzar 1168284427 M * doener hm, yeah, the local __err is optimized away, replaced by __ret and gcc blows up... 1168284617 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: were you compiling the same function? utilvserver_checkCompatVersion is a bit special in that it'll use errno even in the success case. 1168284823 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: arf yes for glibc+alternative, it was a configure bug which made it works 1168284829 M * daniel_hozac exactly. 1168284857 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: probably not, I do not remember _what_ I compiled, but it likely was a modified syscall test 1168286353 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1168286422 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz 1168286525 M * Bertl welcome mugwump! 1168286558 M * mugwump heyhey 1168287019 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-115.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1168287230 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1168287286 M * Aiken hi 1168287359 M * Jani *hmms* Perhaps someone can point me here to the right documents. I have run now over a year sucessfull a system with vserves (SuSe as Basisinstallation, Debian on the vserves). Now I have a new server with Debian as basis, would it be possible to use a Gentoo as vserver? When yes, should I just untar the stage3 as basis for the vserver? 1168287397 M * daniel_hozac use something like vserver ... build -m template ... -- -t stage3... -d gentoo 1168287398 M * Bertl recent tools (0.30.212+) should support gentoo guest installation 1168287449 M * Jani *hmms* So it's easier as I expected :) 1168287456 M * Jani Will try it right now :) 1168288350 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1168288417 Q * dreamind 1168288420 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1168288684 Q * nou Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168289929 M * Jani *hmms* I have create the vserver with the command http://pastebin.ca/310515, when I do 'vserver test enter' I get for few seconds the prompt, but then I get 'kicked' with the response 'Died', vserver is still showing started in 'vserver-stat' 1168289941 M * Jani What was again the commands for debugging a vserver process? 1168289976 M * Bertl Died is interesting ... 1168290000 M * Bertl maybe you did set some obscure limits? 1168290039 M * Bertl you can get debugging info by adding --debug 1168290147 M * Jani Moment, will try it 1168290204 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1168290267 M * Jani *hmms* 1168290641 J * DavidS ~david@217.19.46.18 1168290646 M * Jani *hmms* Short after I do 'vserver anbor start' I get the following in my ps output: http://pastebin.ca/310533 1168290654 M * DavidS hi Bertl! 1168290746 M * daniel_hozac Jani: what stage3 did you download? 1168290750 M * daniel_hozac are you sure you got the vserver one? 1168290815 M * Jani *hmms* Sorry, I think I have misread it... 1168290843 M * Jani I thought that I can use a normal stage3 for that. 1168290848 M * daniel_hozac no, not yet. 1168290858 M * daniel_hozac baselayout 1.13 needs to be released first. 1168290922 M * Jani Ahh ok. 1168290933 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1168290945 M * Jani I have browse a little around and found the note that I found the fitting stage3 in the experimental dir. 1168291038 M * Jani *hmms* Many ands and fount in one sentence... 1168291042 M * Jani *found 1168291257 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org 1168291314 M * Jani *cheers* Yeah daniel_hozac, works now :) Thanks 1168291437 M * daniel_hozac np 1168291717 M * Bertl hey DavidS! how's going? 1168292070 M * DavidS Bertl: yo, i'm back in vienna :) 1168292136 M * Bertl welcome back then :) 1168292794 J * Piet__ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1168293149 Q * Piet_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168293520 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168295101 Q * bandsaw Quit: The computer fell asleep 1168295912 M * matti Bertl: :-D 1168295929 M * Bertl hey matti! 1168295971 M * matti How are you? 1168296119 M * Belu I am sad, the best one play in linux it is not further produced any more... 1168296773 M * Bertl matti: fine so far .. a little busy ... 1168296777 M * Bertl Belu: hmm? 1168296832 M * Belu the last update of planet penguin racer was no more than 7 months ago 1168297057 J * Zaki ~Zaki@88.213.59.68 1168297151 M * hardwire planet penguin racer? 1168297153 Q * DavidS Quit: Leaving. 1168297160 M * matti Bertl: Whops, sorry for disturbing. 1168297161 M * hardwire heh 1168297256 Q * m`m`h Remote host closed the connection 1168297545 M * hardwire ppracer 1168297546 M * hardwire haha 1168297547 M * hardwire cute 1168297550 M * hardwire wrong.. but cute 1168298080 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1168298170 Q * Jani Quit: Joa, so ist das mitn Leben! 1168298423 J * m`m`h ~simba@deb30.mgts.by 1168299102 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1168299699 J * comfrey_ ~comfrey@70.91.185.84 1168299811 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1168300758 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend