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1166932894 M * Bertl I'm off to bed now .. have a merry xmas (or whatever you might celebrate)! cya!
1166932902 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1166959638 M * m4z merry commerce-mas
1166960172 M * matti Thanks.
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1166962577 M * trippeh Is it possible to bind-mount a directory from the outside of a guest into it, without shutting it down?
1166962587 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCFF46.dip.t-dialin.net
1166963127 M * bonbons trippeh: only if the original mount is available in the guest's namespace...
1166963374 M * trippeh I guess I'll have to kill my friends IRC-client then ;)
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1166965355 M * matti trippeh: hehe.
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1166983913 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1166983926 M * Bertl morning folks! and a merry xmas!
1166984005 M * Bertl trippeh: yes, you should be able to do so with secure-mount
1166985451 M * matti Bertl: Morning, and you too!
1166985742 M * Bertl hey matti! everything fine?
1166985961 M * matti Yes, as far as I can tell. And you?
1166986005 M * Bertl yeah, everything fine (and quiet :) here ...
1166988049 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection
1166988649 M * eyck Bertl: do you have a list of bugs still left in vs1.2.11rc?
1166988690 M * Bertl hey eyck! merry xmas?
1166988745 M * Bertl eyck: I remember we wanted to update a few things, but I do not have a list ... but I can take a look at the last patch, and see ... maybe I have some clues
1166988812 M * eyck would be nice, if you have the time
1166988832 M * Bertl sure, so did you decide to take over maintaining it?
1166988901 M * eyck I don't see anyone else volunteering ;) 
1166988915 M * Bertl hehe, good argument :)
1166988947 M * eyck besides, I will be using vs1.2.x for another year anyways, 
1166989046 M * matti Hi eyck, Marry Christmas.
1166989075 M * eyck Hi matti, marry x-mass
1166989089 M * matti Thanks.
1166989120 M * Bertl eyck: looking through the code:
1166989135 M * Bertl - vroot could benefit from some more testing/cleanup
1166989158 M * Bertl - networking (especially the loopback stuff)
1166989202 M * eyck TODO list is growing nicely... ;) 
1166989215 M * Bertl - some utsname virtualizations are missing, I thinl
1166989218 M * Bertl *think
1166989303 M * Bertl that's it from the 'todo'
1166989322 M * Bertl on the 'feature' side, the following things could be backported relatively easily:
1166989338 M * Bertl - the capability masking (bind9 without modifications)
1166989354 M * Bertl - the source IP rewriting for 127.0.0.1
1166989381 M * Bertl - some of the newer accounting stuff
1166989465 M * eyck noted, thanks.
1166989476 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1166989521 M * Bertl if you really start maintaining it, feel free to ask specific queststions regarding the code ... I'll try to answer them as good as I can
1166989618 M * eyck ok
1166992610 M * nebuchadnezzar hi
1166992649 M * Bertl merry xmas nebuchadnezzar!
1166992669 M * nebuchadnezzar itto
1166992957 M * m4z itto = i think of tits only? (;
1166993051 M * nebuchadnezzar arf
1166993093 M * m4z that must be "all right fella" ^^
1166993103 M * nebuchadnezzar arf, I french we say itoo, dito in english IIRC
1166993150 M * m4z yeah. but i think english is ditto (not the latin dito) which i find awful
1166993835 M * neuralis it doesn't come from dito. it comes from dictus, via dicere, iirc.
1166993977 M * Guy- the Hungarians say dettó :)
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1166994128 M * Guy- but I've seen it spelt 'dito' in English more often than 'ditto'
1166994157 J * dna ~naucki@p54BCEDEB.dip.t-dialin.net
1166994240 M * Bertl well, it originates from the italian detto, which is a modification of dictus (as neuralis said)
1166994291 M * m4z neuralis: oic
1166994334 M * m4z Guy-: i have the urge to correct ppl whenever they say ditto but i looked it up just to be sure and it really exists
1166994368 M * m4z Bertl: oic, i thought it was adapted from latin "directly"
1166994422 M * Guy- m4z: oh, there are far worse misspellings that are a lot more common... 'compatable' and 'priviledge' spring to mind immediately :)
1166994479 M * m4z yeah, *atable is the usual suspect
1166994866 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-195.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1166995180 M * Bertl morning Aiken!
1166995185 M * Bertl (and a merry xmas)
1166995221 M * m4z this stuff bugs me all the time... maybe because i have an eye for it... i see great university papers that suck because of grammar and (whats the english word?) thesaur/spelling
1166995297 M * Aiken hi Bertl
1166995378 M * Aiken at the moment I am prepared to say my crash the other night was hardware
1166995472 M * Bertl haven't found any obvious either
1166995501 M * tamitall Any gotchas when installing a different distribution on a guest than on the host?
1166995508 M * Aiken until I get better cooling I have under clocked my machine
1166995511 M * tamitall i.e. a debian guest on a centos host?
1166996031 M * m4z tamitall: none i know of
1166996063 M * m4z tamitall: that is, if your guest os is availablefor the host kernel
1166996078 M * m4z damned be my space bar
1166996172 M * Bertl tamitall: yeah, although certain guest distros are simpler to install on certain host distros
1166996213 M * Bertl tamitall: e.g. under debian, it is a little trickier to isntall an rpm based distro, while debian guests can be installed on any distro
1166996216 M * m4z debian shouldn't be a problem, though
1166996250 M * tamitall sweet.
1166996430 J * mire ~mire@150-167-222-85.adsl.verat.net
1166997012 M * tamitall Any hints on a vserver build command to get a debian guest on a centos host? :)
1166997287 M * Bertl http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1166997303 M * Bertl check out the creation section and the examples
1166997361 M * tamitall That's the page i couldn't locate on the oldwiki. thank you!
1166997363 J * mediator ~mediator@59.178.34.175
1166997382 M * Bertl merry xmas mediator!
1166997390 M * m4z ^^
1166997414 M * mediator merry xmas to u too bertl
1166997433 M * mediator I want some help on ftp
1166997447 M * Bertl let's hear ...
1166997448 M * mediator can u help?
1166997450 M * mediator k
1166997461 M * mediator I'm having some passive mode problem
1166997479 M * mediator I type the ls command but it says nothing then
1166997494 M * mediator whats the problem?
1166997494 M * Bertl in a Linux-VServer guest?
1166997505 M * mediator as a client
1166997514 M * tamitall Are you FTP'ing through NAT?
1166997537 M * mediator i dont know
1166997545 M * virtuoso I'd join the 'merry xmas' part.
1166997549 M * m4z does your firewall support passive ftp?
1166997551 M * mediator but i can correctly ftp through windows
1166997565 M * mediator I'm not able to do the same from linux
1166997593 M * mediator any ideas?
1166997619 M * Bertl mediator: hmm, so just to verify, how is that Linux-VServer related?
1166997648 M * mediator I have no idea about Linux-Vserver
1166997664 M * mediator I'm just trying to ftp to load some of my website pages
1166997676 M * mediator and i'm doing it through linux
1166997719 M * Bertl ah, well, I guess you did choose the wrong channel then
1166997735 M * Bertl but as it is christmas ... here are some ideas:
1166997742 M * m4z heh
1166997754 M * Bertl - get lftp, use the set passive=yes/no
1166997782 M * m4z mediator: read this one, too: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
1166997783 M * Bertl - check that your NAT/FW does handle your ports
1166997808 M * mediator well thats the pag I got thru google
1166997815 M * mediator thats the first page
1166997912 M * m4z mediator: behind what kind of router/NAT are you?
1166997941 M * mediator dat doesn't matter coz I can do ftp from windows easily from the same router/nat
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1166997970 M * Bertl mediator: not a good argument, could be pnp firewall piercing
1166998035 M * m4z mediator: 1st, are you behind a router/nat/box of some kind?
1166998037 M * mediator but if it wud have been so, then wudn't it be having the same effect on windows?
1166998065 M * m4z 2nd, is your linux firewalled by itself?
1166998067 M * mediator so I dont see any nat/fireall/router problem
1166998082 M * mediator u mean by default?
1166998128 A * harry back from berlin
1166998139 M * m4z i mean "does your box dialup/isdn/modem by itself or is it just (plugged into a router|behind another box)
1166998143 M * harry someone said my name... (highlight ;)) but i can't scroll back far enough
1166998150 M * Bertl mediator: there is userspace support for UPnP (how the firewall piercing feature is called) in linux too, so it should be possible if that is the reason for your issues, but have you tried lftp with the beforementioned options yet?
1166998157 M * m4z s/itself/itself"/
1166998173 M * mediator means?
1166998182 M * Bertl harry: check out the realtime logs ...
1166998250 M * m4z harry: was just phr eak (avoiding unnecessary hilite ^^) telling you "btw, I found it :) thanks anyway :D"
1166998268 M * mediator hmmm.....thanx guys my problems solved from the same 1st page that is found thru google
1166998272 M * harry aha
1166998277 M * harry nothing specific :)
1166998281 M * m4z mediator: hehe
1166998287 M * mediator yeahe
1166998291 M * mediator its passive
1166998301 M * mediator "passive" that turns off/on the mode
1166998311 M * Bertl mediator: have fun! :) and maybe have a look at Linux-VServer, it's really cool stuff ...
1166998319 M * tamitall linux-vserver & #vserver rocks!  I just got a debian guest running on a centos host in only a few minutes.
1166998334 M * mediator but any idea what "passive mode on" does?
1166998337 M * m4z heh, thats kind of surprising, right, mediator? (((;
1166998347 M * mediator yeah
1166998352 M * m4z Bertl: it is <3 ^^
1166998362 M * Bertl mediator: it doesn't use the active mode, where you need a mapped port 21
1166998367 M * mediator I dunno why is it off by default when accessed from  linux
1166998378 M * m4z tamitall: grats
1166998381 M * Bertl mediator: because the active mode is the default
1166998434 M * mediator hmmm, but when i access from windows I'm able to do everything without any changes and turning off the mode
1166998439 M * m4z mediator: ftp is one of those legacy protocols you only want to use if the data is really public
1166998469 M * mediator but why the difference of access from windows and linux?
1166998471 M * m4z mediator: yes, windows does a lot of stuff without asking/informing the user first
1166998473 M * Bertl mediator: probably the windows ftp folks did choose a different default?
1166998490 M * mediator yea thats very probable
1166998500 M * Bertl mediator: I'm pretty sure you can enable active mode in windows too, at which point it will fail (in your case)
1166998516 M * Bertl mediator: note, there are other cases too, where passive mode will fail
1166998532 M * mediator like?
1166998616 M * m4z mediator: your problem is really host-related. (afaik) win will try beth methods while you have to tell your client explicitly to do so. if this is a problem of the os/policy/program, you have to decide for yourself
1166998644 M * mediator neways why doesn't things work from passive mode?
1166998645 M * m4z "host" as "your box", not a vserver host
1166998778 M * m4z mediator: the offical default (as of rfc) is active. windows does "invisible" dont-ask-dumb-user stuff when trying both active and passive. linux (at least your ftp client) assumes the user to know the ftp protocol and expects him/her to explicitly state the type
1166998818 M * m4z s/invisible/invisibly/gc ...far too drunk to know that (;
1166998892 M * mediator hmmm....yeah thats becoming clear now....and I know how "closed" source windows is
1166999045 M * mediator but my last question is still unanswered
1166999068 M * mediator  why doesn't things work from passive mode?
1166999094 M * Bertl mediator: you are behind a NAT-ing firewall
1166999115 M * Bertl mediator: that means, _outgoing_ connections are 'mapped'
1166999118 M * m4z well, that (windows thingie) doesnt have to be a problem in this context. the problem is that windows assumes a "i just want to use it, not know what it does" user and doesnt provide a way to say "i am skilled and want to know what you do"
1166999132 M * Bertl mediator: and _incoming_ connections are _blocked_
1166999189 M * Bertl look here: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html#active
1166999204 M * Bertl you'll see that the (3) connection comes from the server
1166999215 M * mediator hmmm.... thanx guys for helping me to understand that
1166999377 M * Bertl you're welcome
1166999441 M * m4z mediator: people of your kind, who really want to understand, are always welcome (;
1166999461 M * matti :>
1166999906 M * mediator yea man, I wanted to know this passive thing from a long time, but didn't have time to read long manuals
1166999982 M * mediator so i'm really thankful to u guys for letting me know these things in short
1167000148 M * matti mediator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol
1167000167 M * matti mediator: More detailed explanation.
1167000169 M * matti ;]
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1167004356 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Merry virtual christmas to all of you :)
1167004373 M * Bertl tx, &2u2
1167004380 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I love U2 :)
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