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1163835320 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1163835326 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1163849122 J * Torsti76 ~irc@gate.iwm-kmrc.de
1163849134 J * niobos ~niels@70.199-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1163849192 M * niobos I'm trying to get my USB-printer to work with CUPS inside a vserver
1163849207 M * niobos I found a post on the mailinglist about a month old
1163849216 M * niobos and I'm wondering what the status on this is currently?
1163849626 M * oo Hm. I try to copy vserver A to vserver B. However, when I start vserver B /etc/vserver/B/vdir is set to point to /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/A again. Does anone have the slightest clue as to why?
1163850605 M * oo What is this /etc/vserver/.defaults/run.rev ?
1163850644 A * oo deletes it and sees what happens.
1163850755 M * oo Nothing happened. I still have 2 vservers using the same file system.
1163851007 M * daniel_hozac how did you copy the guest?
1163851168 M * oo daniel_hozac: cd /etc/vservers; cp -a A B; cd /etc/vservers/.default/vdirbase ; cp -a A B ; cd /etc/vservers/B; <fix all symlinks and look in all files for A and change that to B>
1163851185 M * daniel_hozac so you fixed the vdir symlink?
1163851203 M * oo daniel_hozac: yep. And it got reset when I started the vserver B :)
1163851225 M * daniel_hozac nothing will reset the symlinks.
1163851233 M * oo wrong! It got reset when I start A!
1163851238 M * oo wow.
1163851276 M * oo uhm.
1163851348 M * oo daniel_hozac: you are right. I am unable to use ln -sf to overwrite the old symlink, for some reason. I had to rm it and do ln -s afterwards.
1163851371 M * oo That was unexpected. My mistake, sorry for making so much noice.
1163851377 M * oo noise.
1163851386 M * daniel_hozac np.
1163851481 M * oo Whee, it worked like a charm. Great.
1163851664 M * daniel_hozac has anyone ever used the ncontext file or can see a reason for it to exist?
1163851968 M * doener is the flower page down?
1163851977 M * daniel_hozac worksforme.
1163852014 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/uv/experimental/configuration.html is a slightly more updated version if you can't reach the regular one though.
1163852082 M * doener hm, doesn't mention ncontext... what does that thing do?
1163852097 M * daniel_hozac indeed, i must've forgot to add it.
1163852100 M * daniel_hozac it sets the nid.
1163852113 M * daniel_hozac so you can have a nid that isn't the same as the xid.
1163852144 M * daniel_hozac (which i think would just be confusing, and i'm inclined to remove it)
1163852208 M * doener could simplify the setup for vservers that share ip restrictions... one needs to know what he's doing though ;)
1163852252 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i think that was my original idea too.
1163852274 M * doener (assuming that util-vserver handles that in the way I expect it too ;)
1163852285 M * doener s/too/to/
1163852287 M * daniel_hozac which would be? :)
1163852316 M * doener that it recognizes an existing network context on vserver start and doesn't mess with it
1163852335 M * daniel_hozac right, that's how it works.
1163852360 M * daniel_hozac primarily because chbind doesn't really give you a way to specify create/migrate.
1163852370 M * daniel_hozac so it tries to do the Right Thing(tm).
1163852431 M * daniel_hozac but wouldn't it be just as easy to share IP restrictions by symlinking the interfaces directories?
1163852500 M * doener until you want to change the restrictions on the fly
1163852510 M * daniel_hozac hmm, true.
1163852533 M * doener say 5 vservers share addresses A, B and C. then you want to remove C. One call with shared nid, five without
1163852551 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1163852571 M * daniel_hozac but a shared nid would have security implications too, no?
1163852585 M * daniel_hozac like sockets from one guest would be visible from another.
1163852594 M * daniel_hozac so i'm not sure we want to promote that use-case.
1163852683 M * doener yeah, it has a number of downsides, but one should know that if he plans to use it. I'd keep the file, as a possibility, not as a recommended thing
1163852759 M * daniel_hozac thing is, it requires a whole new suite of functions to be written.
1163852772 M * daniel_hozac for the name->nid conversions.
1163852790 M * doener ah, the comfy stuff... hmhm...
1163852846 M * daniel_hozac or maybe we just ignore the shared nid case for those?
1163852861 M * daniel_hozac after all, it's not a really supported feature due to the security problems.
1163852902 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: isn't ncontext also usable to run xid=0 processes in a network context?
1163852917 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1163852933 M * daniel_hozac you usually don't have an entire /etc/vservers tree for those services, do you?
1163852935 M * doener bonbons: does the vserver script support xid 0 at all?
1163852949 M * daniel_hozac i'd expect it not to, as vc_ctx_create should fail...
1163852952 M * doener and the nid is equal to the xid if ncontext is not there
1163852968 M * doener so you still know how to add a process into the network context
1163853014 M * bonbons no, not sure what's the way to start the processes that always bind 'any' within a network context (but not in a guest)
1163853053 M * daniel_hozac just chbind [--nid <nid>] --ip ... -- ... is the common usage, i think.
1163853080 M * bonbons ok, than it's the ncontext from vserver-utils I remember
1163853107 M * daniel_hozac oh, you meant the program?
1163853165 M * bonbons yep
1163853205 M * daniel_hozac ah, well, i was talking about /etc/vservers/.../ncontext.
1163853244 M * daniel_hozac but util-vserver will soon have an ncontext as well ;)
1163853292 M * daniel_hozac so do you guys think it would be ok to only have the name-to-nid conversions for unshared nids, i.e. where nid==xid?
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1163853363 M * bonbons ah ok... maybe with 2.6.19 will also make ucontext (utscontext), ?context files potentially useful, thinking about all those namespaces that (will) appear in mainline
1163853425 M * daniel_hozac i think the mainline spaces will be handled with a single function and a mask, so probably something like vspace with options for the spaces would be better.
1163853428 M * bonbons for name conversion, I would think concersion only for non-chared nids unless there is a name specific for the nid (but that association has yet to be defined)
1163853470 M * bonbons sure, that makes things much easier to handle, and much more efficient if more spaces can be changed at same run
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1163855355 M * Torsti76 daniel_hozac: thanks again, the 2.1.1-r1 runs nice and stable, now on both my hosts
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1163856040 M * oo Are there any finished versions of this article somewhere? http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Vserver+DRBD
1163856629 P * Torsti76 
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1163863855 M * daniel_hozac oo: what's missing from it?
1163864019 M * doener probably the part that would come after "To be continued..." ;)
1163864025 M * oo Yes :)
1163864033 M * daniel_hozac yes, but what would that be? :)
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1163864062 M * doener I guess only the author can tell that
1163864071 M * daniel_hozac doener: opinions on what to name the program adding/removing IP addresses?
1163864086 M * doener vip?
1163864093 M * oo Ah. finish configuration
1163864094 M * oo sync the configuration to the other node
1163864112 M * daniel_hozac hmm, v? i've been using ncontext and nattribute so far.
1163864133 M * oo According to the steps on the top
1163864137 M * doener was just a pun on "ip"
1163864151 M * daniel_hozac ah, hehe.
1163864164 M * daniel_hozac nip is also not that good...
1163864178 M * doener Very Important Program
1163864186 A * oo goes to clean the house befor the wife goes ballistic.. *poff*
1163864202 M * daniel_hozac yeah, but i imagine we might have some clashes with that.
1163864307 M * doener probably... I have no good idea though...
1163864497 J * bronson ~bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
1163865368 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1163865373 M * Bertl morning folks!
1163865954 J * beehive ~michael@pool-71-246-201-205.washdc.fios.verizon.net
1163866139 Q * samuel Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1163866313 M * Bertl welcome beehive!
1163866530 Q * bronson Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1163866541 M * beehive Thanks Bert
1163866855 M * beehive Bert1: Is there an 'easy' way to get vserver up and running?  I've tried following 'step-by-steps' and apparently I don't have enough brain power to follow directions.  I don't see any ISOs out there so I suppose that avenue is closed.  Know of any *good* how to docs?
1163867071 M * doener ISOs?
1163867122 M * beehive Install CD
1163867145 M * beehive (the lazy man's install method)
1163867227 M * doener well, Linux-VServer is just kernel(-patch) + tools, not a distro...
1163867228 M * beehive I'm looking at yet another tutorial... perhaps this is 'The One': http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/VServer+installation+Fedora+Core+4
1163867236 M * beehive thanks
1163867251 M * doener any specific step you failed at in the step by step guide?
1163867314 M * beehive I got to the point where I issued the make menuconfig... and it wouldn't ... now the drive won't boot (no boot filename received)
1163867368 M * beehive (this is my usual method of instaling OSs ... try one how-to... when it fails... wipe the drive and move on to the next :0
1163867433 M * doener hm, make menuconfig does nothing critical... I don't see how it could break a working setup
1163867464 M * beehive I am sure your right... I must have broken it in some other way.
1163867804 M * Bertl what distro do you use?
1163867862 M * beehive I tried Centos 4.4
1163867963 M * beehive and followed one of the how-to's linked from the linux-vserver.org site
1163867984 M * Bertl centos on the host?
1163867991 M * beehive yes
1163868005 M * Bertl and you do not really care what distro you use there?
1163868029 M * beehive Well... at this point no... though I would perfer centos
1163868045 M * Bertl okay, what distros do you want to put in the guests?
1163868062 M * beehive several instances of centos as well.
1163868086 M * Bertl i.c. so you probably want centos after all :)
1163868111 M * beehive yes... its the distro with which I am most familiar.
1163868124 M * Bertl well, there are distros which get you started faster, mostly because they provide packages with the kernel and tools
1163868134 M * beehive which ones?
1163868156 M * Bertl but it should not be a big problem to get it running on centos too, at least I know a few folks running it on centos
1163868160 M * beehive (no gentoo please)
1163868169 M * Bertl well, debian and gentoo have it :)
1163868205 M * Bertl but as I said, centos is fine
1163868224 M * beehive hmm... debian as host and centos as guest.  I guess that would work.  Is there a lot of prep work needed to install guest OSs?
1163868225 M * Bertl what you need to do there though is compile your kernel yourself
1163868241 M * beehive yes... that is the rub.
1163868256 M * Bertl with debian, the main problem is that installing rpm based guests is (was?) non trivial
1163868272 M * beehive I've never compiled a kernel and it looks like I must have screwed up it up this last attempt.
1163868296 M * Bertl best would be to start without Linux-VServer to minimize possible issues
1163868309 M * Bertl i.e. get a recent kernel (e.g. 2.6.18.2)
1163868319 M * beehive OK... so do a fresh install and make sure its running?
1163868328 M * Bertl configure and compile that according to your needs
1163868341 M * Bertl make sure it boots/works as expected, then
1163868357 M * Bertl simply add the patch (nothing should change then)
1163868366 M * Bertl and you get the additional functionality
1163868410 M * beehive when you put it that was it sounds so easy.
1163868420 M * beehive I'll try to follow that advice
1163868459 M * Bertl if you encounter issues (or have doubts that you are doing the right thing), do not hesitate to ask here ...
1163868480 M * beehive Thanks Bert.  I'll do that.
1163868495 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1163868539 M * beehive Perhaps I'll have my irc client running while I do the install.  Kind of a live help resource... if that's ok.
1163868589 M * beehive Bye for now.
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1163868790 M * maharaja re
1163868928 M * Bertl wb maharaja!
1163869439 M * matti Bertl: ;]]
1163869652 M * Bertl hey matti!
1163869924 M * daniel_hozac beehive: you might want to try Fedora too.
1163870274 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: vip, nip or something else? (re: IP address adder/remover tool name)
1163870394 M * daniel_hozac or hmm, maybe i should just put that in nattribute.
1163870817 M * Bertl maybe something like vnet or vnetctl or so?
1163871570 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i'd like to use the same prefix for all of the network context related tools. i suppose changing the prefix to vnet and then using vnetctl might work though...
1163871615 M * Bertl vnetaddr vnetattr vnetwossname :)
1163871700 M * daniel_hozac naddress?
1163871790 M * daniel_hozac i like that the ncontext and nattribute names directly correspond to their v* siblings.
1163871806 M * Bertl whatever you choose, it's fine with me
1163872085 M * daniel_hozac hmm, we don't output the network flags/caps anywhere in /proc?
1163872654 M * Bertl maybe not yet
1163872668 M * Bertl but you can assume that it willo be like for context
1163872715 M * daniel_hozac well, i was mostly wanting to check if setting the flags worked.
1163872732 M * daniel_hozac though i suppose we haven't used the flags/caps at all until now.
1163873720 Q * beehive Quit: Until We Meet Again
1163874036 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-nflags-fix01.diff
1163875042 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-216-085.pools.arcor-ip.net
1163875071 M * daniel_hozac thanks.
1163875174 M * Bertl np
1163875643 J * Infrastructure ~mna@MAX-TNT-ISDN-30.nexlinx.net.pk
1163875781 M * Bertl welcome Infrastructure!
1163875803 M * Infrastructure thnks
1163875825 M * Infrastructure bertl i want to talk u something 
1163875840 M * Bertl well, go ahead ...
1163875862 M * Infrastructure where r ircops
1163875875 M * Bertl probably at #oftc
1163875928 M * Infrastructure ur irop?
1163875945 M * Bertl nope, why?
1163875956 M * Infrastructure wanna be 
1163875979 M * Bertl well, then hurry there and ask them ...
1163876014 M * Infrastructure what 
1163876014 M * Infrastructure what u think who i am 
1163876117 M * Bertl somebody looking for something in the wrong channel maybe?
1163876148 M * Infrastructure what 
1163876425 M * Bertl but maybe I'm wrong ...
1163876561 Q * Infrastructure Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by love^_^me))
1163876621 M * doener o.O
1163876651 M * doener that was not the command I had expected to remove him...
1163876696 M * Bertl hehe
1163876951 J * rgl ~Rui@84.90.9.4
1163876955 A * rgl waves
1163876961 M * Bertl wb rgl!
1163876981 M * rgl whats an iki? ;)
1163877010 M * Bertl hmm, guess a wiki with a missing 'W' :)
1163877233 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US
1163877240 M * neuralis rgl: also a big finnish free internet services provider, iirc
1163877262 M * rgl hehe
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