1159488036 Q * dna_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159488151 M * h01ger gdm, no problem. i had dinner too but now its night here.. lets talk tomorrow :) is your work somewhere up (just the graphs to look at would be fine..)? i have some small updates to the plugins in svn, but they are not in svn yet...
1159488251 Q * dna___ Quit: Verlassend
1159488542 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection
1159489028 J * hardwire ~sspencer@209.112.165.133
1159489055 M * hardwire blah
1159489110 M * Bertl hmm?
1159489196 M * hardwire just blah
1159490225 M * hardwire anybody else here subjected to a bunch of support request from windows users?
1159490232 M * hardwire for some reason i have to help this guy sort his photos
1159490284 M * hardwire I would love to just have him place exif tags in related photos and have something sort it off to the filesystem with hard links and an original tree of date/time/photo.ext
1159490287 M * hardwire oh well
1159490715 M * Skram Hi all
1159491231 M * Bertl okay, I'm off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya tomorrow!
1159491238 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1159491268 M * Skram Peace
1159495012 Q * hardwire Quit: Ex-Chat
1159495212 J * ricardo ~Juanitos@static-200-105-142-19.acelerate.net
1159495291 P * ricardo 
1159495621 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1159495709 M * Skram 28 Sep 19:21:01 ntpdate[1422]: step-systime: Operation not permitted 
1159495714 M * Skram should that happen inside a vps?
1159495922 M * doener Do you want random guests to mess with your system time? ;)
1159496012 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_))
1159496022 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4D880.dip.t-dialin.net
1159497151 M * Skram so each user can't set their own time?
1159497167 M * Skram using the "date <value>" command, they can set their own clock.. right
1159497723 M * doener why should they want to set their own time?
1159497756 M * doener UTC is pretty much the same all over the world... I can't see why you would want a _wrong_ time
1159504341 Q * _node Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159504364 Q * nayco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159505216 J * nayco ~nayco@proxy2.laroche.univ-nantes.fr
1159506956 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1159508090 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1159510894 J * derjohn ~aj@dslb-084-058-232-198.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159511341 Q * derjohn2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159511512 M * wenchien is it possible to know whether i'm in a vserver or not?
1159511691 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-231-205.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1159511828 M * Loki|muh wenchien: there are several indicators, e.g. not all device nodes, no possibility to change network configuration
1159511849 M * Loki|muh but that differs
1159511860 M * wenchien humm...
1159511905 M * wenchien so i can't do something like this?   if [ -f /proc/i_am/in_vserver ] ; then blah blah blah ; fi
1159512034 M * wenchien I'm using debian sid in my vserver, and the initscripts got upgrade today.
1159512086 M * wenchien the new postinstall do "mount --rbind xxx"
1159512126 M * wenchien and fails...
1159512187 M * Loki|muh yeah initscripts suck. :/
1159512883 M * doener wenchien: you should see xid != 0 in /proc/self/status IIRC (unless privacy is enabled, I think)
1159513124 M * wenchien doener: i can't find xid in /proc/self/status
1159513179 M * Loki|muh ah, there is a "s_context: 106" in /proc/self/status
1159513245 M * Loki|muh i don't find this in my non-vserver host
1159513412 M * doener wenchien: should be s_context or VxID 
1159513446 J * Zaki ~fff@88.213.20.124
1159514084 M * Curus If mount --rbind xxx fails, you're in a vserver...
1159514090 M * Curus Isn't that a good way to tell?
1159514099 M * gdm h01ger: https://munin.tachanka.org/indymedia.org/kompost.indymedia.org.html#Vserver <== single processor vscpu example
1159514120 M * gdm h01ger: https://munin.tachanka.org/mayfirst.org/shadow.mayfirst.org.html#Vserver <== dual cpu (cpu0 anc cpu1) vsmultcpu_ example
1159514225 A * ay is happy someone is using his tool.
1159514332 M * gdm ay: which tool is that?
1159514409 M * ay munin.
1159514452 M * ay :-)
1159514737 J * id23 ~id@p50810DB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1159514769 M * id23 good morning #vserver
1159514772 M * Loki|muh gdm: you wrote a plugin for munin?
1159514775 M * Loki|muh moin id23 
1159514789 M * doener Loki|muh: wasn't that h01ger?
1159514792 M * doener morning id23 
1159514819 M * Loki|muh doener: I don't know, that is why I ask ;)
1159514870 M * mnemoc the plugin for vserver is not available at the website :(
1159514882 M * gdm we have been working on it together, i guess
1159514890 M * gdm h01ger, micah, myself
1159514891 M * Loki|muh there is no wiki entry containing munin *g*
1159514902 M * Loki|muh gdm: where can we find it?
1159514907 M * gdm it should be available in the next day or two
1159514927 M * Loki|muh nice :)
1159514928 M * gdm Loki|muh: we are just trying to make it available
1159514938 M * gdm ay: you wrote munin? :)
1159514944 M * gdm ay: it is a great tool!
1159514955 M * ay Thanks.
1159514970 M * mnemoc :D
1159514996 M * ay Someone else has taken over maintainership nowdays though.
1159515043 M * ay But he is sitting 10 meters from me at work though.
1159515062 M * gdm :)
1159515089 M * Wonka :)
1159515095 M * gdm ay: does he maintain thedebian package for it too?
1159515110 M * ay No. That's another guy at my office :-)
1159515140 M * gdm ah right, we were trying to contact him but the email seemed to bounce
1159515149 M * ay Ai.
1159515149 M * gdm could you /msg me his email or something?
1159515152 M * ay What addess?
1159515175 M * Wonka .oO( "small world phenomenom" at work )
1159515181 M * ay If you post a ticket on munin.projects.linpro.no he'll see it straight away.
1159515212 M * gdm ahh, ok
1159515284 M * ay What's the bouncing address?
1159515290 M * ay I gues he wants to know.
1159515311 M * ay Did you send to munin-deb-maint@linpro.no?
1159515939 Q * bubulak Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159516176 J * bubulak ~bubulak@whisky.pendo.sk
1159517588 Q * Loki|muh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159518014 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1159519234 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US
1159519373 Q * ||Cobra|| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1159519712 J * dna_ ~naucki@p54BCD350.dip.t-dialin.net
1159520351 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1159520858 M * wenchien http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390092
1159520954 M * wenchien if /lib/init/rw is a must-have, it can be add in /etc/vservers/xxx/fstab. but i don't know how to handle the script...
1159521038 M * h01ger isnt it fine if its a directory?
1159521088 M * h01ger ay, kudos & many thanks for writing munin! it completly r0x0rs! please also tell the other guys!
1159521097 M * h01ger ay, ilmari@linpro.no is the bouncing address
1159521107 M * h01ger +moin moin :)
1159521209 M * wenchien h01ger: no idea... I don't even know what it is for..
1159521286 M * h01ger ask in the report or ask "pere" on irc
1159521302 A * h01ger too has no real idea but i doubt we need another mountpoint
1159521687 M * ay h01ger: Thanks. I will :-)
1159522391 Q * brc_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159523729 M * matti :)
1159523731 M * matti Hello.
1159524392 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-149-109-85.hive.is
1159525042 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-196-082.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159526871 J * eyck eyck@ghost.anime.pl
1159527188 J * BeerGod ~BG@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1159527222 P * BeerGod Leaving
1159529778 J * brc_ ~bruce@201.19.213.26
1159531091 M * h01ger gdm, your graphs look much smoother than mine (all of them, not just the vserver stuff) - i wonder why..
1159531118 M * gdm h01ger: really?
1159531127 M * h01ger gdm, micah, ay: is there a munin channel somewhere? chould we switch over not to annoy this channel or are the people here fine with it?
1159531135 M * gdm h01ger: i'll be around to chat for a little bit in about an huour, if that is ok?
1159531136 M * h01ger gdm, yes. 
1159531147 M * h01ger gdm, sure. replying to your mails now
1159531156 M * h01ger i'll be around the whole day (european time)
1159531166 M * gdm h01ger: i didn't ever find a munin channel... ay might be able to reply to that one, or maybe we could just create one ;-)
1159531170 M * gdm see you in a bit
1159531175 A * h01ger waves
1159531266 M * h01ger gdm, do you have access to the pkg-vserver svn? then you commit your plugins and then we can merge them.. (i'm happy to do the merging..)
1159531303 Q * id23 Quit: Leaving
1159531550 M * daniel_hozac h01ger: i guess a lot of people in this channel are interested anyway ;)
1159531560 M * h01ger ok :)
1159531959 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: you're right :)
1159531980 A * meandtheshell makes interested_people +=1;
1159532460 Q * m4z Remote host closed the connection
1159532480 J * m4z m4z@bastard-operator.from-hell.net
1159532838 Q * nebuchadnezzar Remote host closed the connection
1159534830 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax8-228.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1159535153 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159535866 J * Kurt2 ~IRC-God@S010600e07dcfe0a4.wp.shawcable.net
1159536127 J * FaUl immo@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de
1159536129 M * FaUl weha
1159536133 M * FaUl Bertl_zZ: arround?
1159536261 M * FaUl where there some cow-fixes since 2.1.1-rc27 that fixed oopses?
1159536416 M * FaUl the changelog is unfortunatly incomplete
1159537103 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159537563 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1159537568 M * Bertl morning folks!
1159537619 M * Bertl FaUl: we did some CoW fixes back then, not sure it was after rc27, will check that shortly
1159537942 M * Johnnie Hey Bertl.
1159537972 M * Bertl hey Johnnie! what's up?
1159537981 M * wenchien hi Bertl 
1159538250 M * Johnnie Not much, just enjoying a day off!
1159538307 Q * Kurt2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159539122 M * nayco Hello, all !
1159539218 M * Bertl hey nayco! wenchien!
1159539242 M * gdm h01ger: ping
1159539314 M * gdm h01ger: /j #munin when you get a chance ;-)
1159539378 M * gdm micah: /j #munin on oftc when you got a chance 
1159539494 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159539717 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: oopses when doing what?
1159539782 M * gdm ay: you should no doubt /j #munin too!
1159540614 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1159540892 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-headers-fix85.diff
1159540947 Q * Aiken__ Quit: Leaving
1159541080 J * romke ~romke@acrux.romke.net
1159541088 M * romke Error: MM: mm:core: failed to set status of shared memory (Invalid argument): OS: No such fil
1159541092 M * romke e or directory
1159541118 M * romke anyone knows how to fix this ^^
1159541141 M * romke apache 1 after switching to 2.6.17.11-vs2.0.2
1159541182 M * daniel_hozac from?
1159541193 M * daniel_hozac and an strace always helps.
1159541207 M * romke daniel_hozac: strace: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/425
1159541232 M * nayco Bertl: "wenchien" ? What does it mean ? (I fell I'm gonna learn an austrian word here ;-))
1159541260 M * daniel_hozac nayco: look at your user list ;)
1159541264 M * romke from 2.6.15-vs2.0.1-gentoo-r5
1159541293 M * daniel_hozac romke: uh, tried touching that file?
1159541315 M * daniel_hozac seems like a very strange thing to get so upset about though...
1159541324 M * wenchien nayco: :P
1159541340 M * daniel_hozac romke: so you get that error immediately after starting httpd?
1159541377 M * daniel_hozac romke: and those getuid/getgid ENOSYS looks _very_ strange...
1159541405 M * romke daniel_hozac: yes, apache wont start, just gives this error
1159541452 M * romke daniel_hozac: touching like `touch /var/run/apache/mm.7100` ?
1159541459 M * daniel_hozac +.sem, yes.
1159541497 M * romke # touch /var/run/apache/mm.7100.sem; echo $?
1159541497 M * romke 0
1159541510 M * daniel_hozac does the 7100 change for each time you start httpd? i.e. is it the pid?
1159541517 M * romke yes
1159541556 M * daniel_hozac IMHO this looks like a problem in httpd.
1159541571 M * matti romke: Cheers mate :)
1159541596 M * matti Hi Bertl :)
1159541599 M * daniel_hozac failing because unlink returns ENOENT seems like a really bad idea.
1159541602 M * daniel_hozac hey matti
1159541608 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac :)
1159541608 M * romke hmm,
1159541609 M * romke Server version: Apache/1.3.34 (Unix)  (PLD/Linux)
1159541609 M * romke Server built:   Feb  8 2006 21:31:46
1159541712 M * daniel_hozac romke: i suppose it could just be a side-effect of those getuid/getgid calls failing.
1159541724 M * daniel_hozac which is a lot stranger.
1159541765 M * romke hmm, it's old system, maybe some incompatibilities in kernel-headers?
1159541806 M * daniel_hozac it's possible, i suppose.
1159541824 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: ping
1159541867 M * romke hmm, looks like I have to use old kernel till I get rid of that guest :(
1159541913 M * daniel_hozac i really don't see how getuid/getgid would return ENOSYS though.
1159541926 M * romke look:
1159541927 M * romke gemini ~ # vserver alioth enter
1159541927 M * romke @alioth / # id
1159541927 M * romke uid=4294967295 gid=4294967295id: memory exhausted
1159541948 M * daniel_hozac but your other guests work?
1159541973 M * daniel_hozac what arch is that?
1159541980 M * romke x86
1159542013 M * romke daniel_hozac: yes, other on gentoo, and pld2.0 work fine, this is pld1.0 unfortunatelly
1159542037 M * daniel_hozac and that guest worked fine with 2.6.15?
1159542083 M * romke yes
1159542098 M * romke gived some warnings about ulimits but worked fine
1159542101 Q * ex Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159542129 M * daniel_hozac hmm, well, i don't get it.
1159542146 M * daniel_hozac btw, you really want to use 2.0.2.1.
1159542225 M * romke ok.
1159542240 M * romke first I must get rid of that old guest...
1159542784 M * FaUl Bertl: still there? interested in what the oops said?
1159542811 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: yes please.
1159542816 M * FaUl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/426
1159542845 M * FaUl let me know if i can help you somehow
1159542857 Q * node Read error: Connection reset by peer
1159542862 Q * cdrx Quit: Leaving
1159542863 M * daniel_hozac could you do some addr2line conversions?
1159542871 J * node ~dwindsor@stanford.columbia.tresys.com
1159542933 M * daniel_hozac addr2line -e /path/to/vmlinux c03fc858 c015c3b7 c01510f1 c01512ae c015ed48
1159543004 M * FaUl immo@weltzentrale:~$ file /boot/2.6.17.7-vs2.1.1-rc27.a 
1159543005 M * FaUl /boot/2.6.17.7-vs2.1.1-rc27.a: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x900, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA
1159543008 M * FaUl immo@weltzentrale:~$ addr2line -e /boot/2.6.17.7-vs2.1.1-rc27.a c03fc858 c015c3b7 c01510f1 c01512ae c015ed48
1159543011 M * FaUl addr2line: /boot/2.6.17.7-vs2.1.1-rc27.a: File format not recognized
1159543013 M * FaUl wtf?
1159543020 M * daniel_hozac vmlinux, not vmlinuz.
1159543028 M * FaUl ah, have to unpack it?
1159543029 M * daniel_hozac it's at the top of the source tree.
1159543043 M * FaUl mh, i'm not quite sure if this exist, ill look for it
1159543081 M * daniel_hozac unpacking it doesn't work IIRC, since the bzImage is stripped and such.
1159543091 M * FaUl well then
1159543140 M * FaUl immo@weltzentrale:~$ addr2line -e /usr/src/linux-2.6.17.7/vmlinux c03fc858 c015c3b7 c01510f1 c01512ae c015ed48
1159543143 M * FaUl ??:0
1159543144 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: which version of the tools support cpusets?
1159543145 M * FaUl ??:0
1159543146 M * FaUl this seems not to work
1159543148 M * FaUl open.c:0
1159543150 M * FaUl ??:0
1159543153 M * FaUl ??:0
1159543153 Q * FaUl Killed (FloodServ ((FloodServ) Warning, you have triggered a network protection. Stop flooding!))
1159543162 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: 0.30.211+
1159543211 M * Bertl does it work with 211-rc2?
1159543214 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1159543232 M * Bertl is 0.30.211 already ouy?
1159543235 M * Bertl *out
1159543238 M * daniel_hozac no, not yet.
1159543239 J * FaUl immo@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de
1159543242 M * FaUl wah, that sucks
1159543247 M * daniel_hozac i'd like to get mugwump's fai build method in first.
1159543254 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: paste.linux-vserver.org ;)
1159543256 M * Bertl FaUl: yeah flooding sucks :)
1159543271 M * FaUl it where only 6 lines so I thought it would be ok ;-)
1159543297 M * FaUl anyway, did you got it?
1159543297 M * Bertl FaUl: if addr2line fails, ??, you have two options
1159543310 M * FaUl that would be?
1159543310 M * Bertl - get a fixed/patched version of binutils
1159543317 M * Bertl - use gdb instead
1159543324 M * FaUl i'll try gdb
1159543330 M * daniel_hozac and those both assume you have debugging information enabled in your kernel configuration.
1159543337 M * daniel_hozac CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO, right?
1159543342 M * Bertl right
1159543350 M * FaUl This GDB was configured as "i486-linux-gnu"...(no debugging symbols found)
1159543363 M * FaUl that may be the problem, right?
1159543370 M * Bertl gdb vmlinux 
1159543377 M * FaUl did that
1159543386 M * Bertl okay, then no debug info :(
1159543388 Q * node Remote host closed the connection
1159543394 Q * fosco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159543396 M * FaUl mh, i'll switch that on next time
1159543400 J * node ~dwindsor@stanford.columbia.tresys.com
1159543410 M * FaUl anything we can do right now without debugging-stuff?
1159543413 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: so just a simple touch caused that?
1159543420 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: do you know what file?
1159543425 M * FaUl i'm not quite sure
1159543441 M * daniel_hozac do you have vserver debugging enabled?
1159543444 M * daniel_hozac can you reproduce it?
1159543448 M * Bertl but the issue happened at the beginning of get_write_access
1159543457 M * FaUl neither the one, nor the other i guess
1159543458 M * Bertl probably when trzing to acquire a lock
1159543478 M * FaUl as this is some production maschine i didn't try to crash anoter vserver ;-)
1159543511 M * FaUl it happened when some user tried to do debian upgrade using this loop:
1159543531 M * FaUl apt-get -y upgrade; do if ls /bin/*.dpkg-tmp; then touch /bin/*.dpkg-tmp;fi; if ls /sbin/*.dpkg-tmp; then touch /sbin/*.dpkg-tmp;fi; if ls /usr/sbin/*.dpkg-tmp; then touch 
1159543534 M * FaUl              /usr/sbin/*.dpkg-tmp; fi; if ls /usr/bin/*.dpkg-tmp; then touch /usr/bin/*.dpkg-tmp; fi; done; 
1159543554 M * FaUl so i'm not quite sure which part of the loop exactly triggered the bug
1159543620 M * FaUl (that loop worked around the problem that upgrade failed with permission denied on access to some files)
1159543649 M * FaUl yea, it sucks, but it worked, anyway ;-)
1159543696 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1159543869 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1159543891 M * Bertl welcome stefani! wb node!
1159543912 M * node thank you.. sorry for the repeated quits/joins; i'm trying to isoloate a rogue dhcp server
1159543913 M * stefani hola.  
1159543936 M * stefani system is back up.  i will not try to compile that library again  :\
1159543942 M * node Bertl: also, i have some patches for modified selinux to work for vserver, i will most likely finish the this weekend
1159543961 M * node s/the/them
1159543964 M * Bertl sounds good ... make sure to post them to the list
1159544049 N * nayco nayco_work
1159544059 M * Bertl micah, waldi: could you give me a short notification what the latest debian kernels/tools are?
1159544088 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: changing the capable in vfs_kern_mount to vx_capable seems to allow the mount, but i seem to have some other problems too.
1159544104 M * Bertl like?
1159544124 M * daniel_hozac i'm not sure yet, the mount is hung.
1159544144 M * daniel_hozac hmm, works now...
1159544158 M * Bertl interesting, portmap name resolving?
1159544165 M * daniel_hozac yeah, probably.
1159544215 M * daniel_hozac but anyway, it seems to work fine now.
1159544380 M * Bertl okay, do you have a patch at hand? 
1159544432 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-nfs-fix01.diff
1159544509 M * Bertl tx
1159544523 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1159544561 M * Bertl welocme ex!
1159544666 M * ex hi
1159545119 J * Kurt2 ~IRC-God@S010600e07dcfe0a4.wp.shawcable.net
1159545132 M * Bertl wb Kurt2!
1159545731 M * wenchien humm... help is needed.. :)
1159545737 M * wenchien http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390092
1159545742 M * waldi Bertl: 0.30.210, 2.6.18-t8
1159545795 J * zkbrsnie ~zkbrsnie@83-64-146-226.klosterneuburg.xdsl-line.inode.at
1159545844 P * zkbrsnie 
1159545846 J * zkbrsnie ~zkbrsnie@83-64-146-226.klosterneuburg.xdsl-line.inode.at
1159546012 M * Bertl wenchien: hmm, how about just removing that one?
1159546035 M * Bertl i.e. run it without the script?
1159546102 M * Bertl welcome zkbrsnie!
1159546330 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1159546467 Q * VxJasonxV Quit: +++ OK ATH OK
1159546496 J * fosco fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1159546504 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@jdlewis.org
1159546582 Q * Kurt2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159546715 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later
1159546722 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1159546994 M * matti Bertl_oO: Have a good one.
1159547607 J * hardwire ~sspencer@209.112.165.133
1159547611 M * hardwire meh
1159548121 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159548147 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1159548910 J * restill ~restill@c-24-11-195-139.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1159549120 Q * micah Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159549954 J * zOrK ~eclipse@kday.undercraft.org
1159549961 M * zOrK what's the main channel of the server
1159550048 M * mnemoc the server?
1159550222 Q * zOrK Quit: changing servers
1159552280 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159552406 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1159552519 Q * node Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159552822 J * coocoon ~coocoon@dslb-084-056-130-227.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159552835 Q * coocoon 
1159552858 J * coocoon ~coocoon@dslb-084-056-130-227.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159552900 M * coocoon hello
1159553487 J * Kurt2 ~IRC-God@S010600e07dcfe0a4.wp.shawcable.net
1159553609 M * daniel_hozac hi coocoon.
1159553617 M * coocoon hi daniel
1159553670 M * meandtheshell does anybody know another option to figure out if a running kernel was compiled with smp support that cat /proc/version
1159553713 M * meandtheshell assume the config file is not present
1159553721 M * daniel_hozac uname?
1159553751 M * meandtheshell well uname is the more or less shorter version of cat /pros/version
1159553753 M * meandtheshell uname -r
1159553778 M * coocoon uname -a
1159553823 M * daniel_hozac well, sure, but what's wrong with that?
1159553847 M * meandtheshell coocoon: the uname thing only works if the guy that compiled the kernel supplied that info - no?
1159553868 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: no, SMP will always be in there if it's an SMP kernel.
1159553877 M * daniel_hozac same for /proc/version.
1159553898 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: ah ok  - well then ...
1159553938 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: where do you got that information from since that stuff should be bookmarked by /me
1159553963 M * meandtheshell what else than SMP is surely included?
1159554038 M * daniel_hozac PREEMPT.
1159554038 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
1159554047 M * FaUl ok, which debugging-stuff should I enable to trace down a problem like the one I experienced before?
1159554073 M * daniel_hozac FaUl: CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO CONFIG_VSERVER_DEBUG
1159554122 M * FaUl ok, well then ;-)
1159554271 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: so preemtation shows up as well ... ok but where to read about that behaviour (what is going to supplied at build time and can later be shown with uname for example)?
1159554434 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: no idea, sorry.
1159554464 M * daniel_hozac include/linux/compile.h contains the info though, so you should be able to figure out which scripts creates it ;)
1159554467 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: no need to feel sorry ... I don't know either 
1159554543 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: sure - walking the source always works ... but I'm sure there is a URL anywhere that tells something about this specific question - my Google help me :)
1159554557 M * meandtheshell *may
1159554614 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: looks like it's just SMP and PREEMPT right now.
1159554626 M * daniel_hozac (init/Makefile and scripts/mkcompile_h)
1159554647 J * samuel ~samuel@d154-20-170-153.bchsia.telus.net
1159554650 M * samuel hola
1159554653 M * daniel_hozac hello
1159554678 M * samuel hey, anyone known what is the CAP to access mknod ?
1159554684 M * daniel_hozac CAP_MKNOD
1159554697 M * samuel heh! thanks man
1159554712 M * daniel_hozac np.
1159554774 M * samuel hmm still get mknod: `loop4-': Operation not permitted
1159554785 M * samuel vattribute --set --xid 49154 --bcap CAP_MKNOD
1159554788 M * samuel is that right?
1159554793 M * daniel_hozac you can't assign bcaps dynamically.
1159554799 M * samuel oh...
1159554803 M * daniel_hozac with util-vserver anyway.
1159554815 M * daniel_hozac you have to restart it.
1159555139 M * daniel_hozac btw, you should use static xids.
1159555145 M * daniel_hozac dynamic xids will be going away soon.
1159555150 M * samuel really? why?
1159555202 M * samuel why are playing ping pong with the vservers in a couple of datacenter
1159555249 M * daniel_hozac because they're deprecated.
1159555251 M * samuel seem to work, thanks
1159555261 M * daniel_hozac they cause problems with xid tagging, etc.
1159555274 M * samuel daniel_hozac: oh, i'll fix that then
1159555328 M * Skram suexec root date 092911432006
1159555334 M * Skram how should i be setting the date for a user?
1159555344 M * daniel_hozac huh?
1159555368 M * Skram well, I want to set a VPS' time
1159555381 M * daniel_hozac so you have enabled the virtualized time?
1159555403 M * Skram Sorry, Wasn't aware that needed to be done
1159555408 M * Skram I don't think I have :\
1159555434 M * daniel_hozac why on earth do you want to have a different time for your guest?
1159555462 M * Skram shouldn't a vps have the same time as the host, by default? for some reason this one does not.
1159555485 M * daniel_hozac unless the timezone is different, yes.
1159555590 M * Skram okay
1159555592 M * Skram I fixed it
1159555593 M * Skram thanks
1159556915 M * doener Skram: use "date -u" to compare times ;)
1159556953 M * Skram right
1159556965 M * hardwire ok
1159556970 M * daniel_hozac ensc: ping
1159556972 M * hardwire who wants to give me the real beef on unify/hashify?
1159557080 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: what do you want to know?
1159557125 M * meandtheshell hardwire: do you know Bertl's paper http://www.linux-vserver.org/Paper#Unification ?
1159557136 M * hardwire yes I do
1159557363 M * hardwire at the moment I am helping a telephone company wrangle 400 domains per blade
1159557368 M * hardwire and using vserver and their netapp
1159557394 M * hardwire they don't have much problem at the moment with storage or the need to do resource merging since it will be potentially 2 vservers per machine
1159557410 M * hardwire but I am pretty sure the via epia 1.2ghz server I am making for personal use will 
1159557428 M * hardwire its odd finally seeing drbd on 2.6
1159557450 M * meandtheshell why that?
1159557476 M * hardwire I was using it while they were porting to 2.6
1159557502 M * hardwire it seemed like it took forever.. I actually changed jobs during that time and when I got a new one they finally implemented it..
1159557507 M * hardwire it would have made so many things so very easy.
1159557513 M * meandtheshell :)
1159557530 M * matti :>
1159557559 M * meandtheshell the funny thing about DRBD and Linux-VServer is that in booth cases the main developers are from Vienna :)
1159557573 M * hardwire wild man
1159557580 M * hardwire anybody here used NILFS?
1159557585 M * meandtheshell *both
1159557635 M * meandtheshell http://www.linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_Unification_.28vunify.29.3F if you didn't know anyway ...
1159557638 M * daniel_hozac never heard of it before.
1159557783 M * meandtheshell hardwire: NILFS sound like a FS with built in brain (can remember things ...)
1159557900 M * hardwire its smartish
1159557907 M * hardwire I like that I can snapshot it by itself
1159557916 M * hardwire but not exactly a block level snapshot
1159557925 M * hardwire and it can take a hefty power outage and remain calm
1159557948 M * meandtheshell hardwire: no UPS? :)
1159557962 M * hardwire I was using it on embedded equipment powered by the sun
1159557974 M * hardwire if the night batteries failed I wanted it to live
1159557988 M * hardwire however I ended up making a completely different strategy work 150% better
1159558023 M * hardwire I stored a squashfs of a root image on one partition.. moutned and booted.
1159558038 M * hardwire it would love any stored settings from another partition and rsync it to the live partition
1159558042 M * hardwire which was mounted via unionfs
1159558065 M * hardwire and whenever I wanted to save the settings as it is now.. I would just rsync the unionfs raw dir over to perm storage
1159558066 M * meandtheshell what kind of gadget was that?
1159558069 M * hardwire simple.. beautifull
1159558077 M * hardwire it was a pcengines wrap 2.1
1159558085 M * hardwire with a half gig CF
1159558090 M * hardwire and two 400mw radios
1159558094 A * meandtheshell ask google about pcengines
1159558105 M * hardwire little geode boards
1159558236 Q * FaUl Quit: The system is going down for reboot NOW!
1159558266 M * meandtheshell hardwire: what did you do with those pcengines - are a robot guy?
1159558278 M * hardwire no
1159558285 M * hardwire was using for wireless broadband relay 
1159558294 M * daniel_hozac would anyone happen to know how you install xen guests? (i'd like to get a Debian one on Fedora, if that matters)
1159558320 M * hardwire there is a groovy howto for debian and xen
1159558329 M * hardwire but debian guests are easy if you have debootstrap
1159558355 M * hardwire just set up the dom.. mount the filesystem.. and debootstrap to the mount point
1159558362 M * hardwire then boot.. kinda.. 
1159558368 M * hardwire after setting up fstab/hostname/etc...
1159558379 M * hardwire I usually chroot in and finish installing it the way I like.. then boot 
1159558464 M * hardwire hehe
1159558472 M * hardwire I am kinda tempted to boot a vserver using cowdancer
1159558516 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1159558534 M * hardwire its a copy on write wrapper
1159558544 M * daniel_hozac what's wrong with our COW implementation?
1159558559 M * hardwire which vserver revision uses it?
1159558574 M * daniel_hozac 2.1+
1159558600 M * hardwire how do I check revision?
1159558644 M * hardwire anc-fw-01:~# cat /proc/virtual/info
1159558644 M * hardwire VCIVersion:     0002:0002
1159558644 M * hardwire VCISyscall:     273
1159558644 M * hardwire VCIKernel:      03000016
1159558645 M * hardwire ?
1159558657 M * daniel_hozac 2.0.2 does not have it.
1159558669 M * hardwire well then.. thats whats wrong with it
1159558706 M * mugwump daniel_hozac: hello
1159558712 M * daniel_hozac hey!
1159558742 M * daniel_hozac did you have a chance to try the modified fai build?
1159558794 M * mugwump not just yet.  but I've nothing better to do right now, so I'll give it a go
1159558838 M * daniel_hozac hehe, thanks.
1159559152 M * mugwump where was the patch again?  
1159559172 M * daniel_hozac http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/uv/experimental/vserver-build-fai.patch
1159559179 M * mugwump cool
1159559240 J * micah_ ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1159559333 M * hardwire fai sounds interesting
1159559424 Q * zkbrsnie 
1159559489 N * micah_ micah
1159559776 Q * stefani Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159559786 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1159560094 Q * restill Quit: Leaving
1159560519 M * hardwire I kinda want pizza tonight
1159560587 Q * Kurt2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159560658 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.36.111
1159561063 J * tocsin ~tocsin@82.165.180.112
1159561077 M * mugwump http://vserver.utsl.gen.nz/patches/util-vserver/vserver-build-fai-rebase-r2338.patch  # what I'm actually testing
1159561089 M * daniel_hozac changes?
1159561099 M * mugwump nothing, just a rebase
1159561106 M * mugwump it didn't apply against trunk
1159561142 J * BeLu B.Lukas@mail.openvcp.org
1159561143 J * cryptronic crypt@mail.openvcp.org
1159561149 M * daniel_hozac hmm, strange.
1159561151 M * daniel_hozac oh, right.
1159561155 M * daniel_hozac i applied parts of the patch.
1159561164 M * mugwump yeah saw that :)
1159561168 Q * tocsin Quit: Leaving
1159561291 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@61-224-132-46.dynamic.hinet.net
1159561401 M * mugwump what's the automake incantation to get svn checkouts to build?
1159561419 M * daniel_hozac ?
1159561430 M * daniel_hozac make -f Makefile.svn should work.
1159561437 M * daniel_hozac autoreconf -fi should work as well.
1159561468 M * mugwump hmm
1159561494 M * samuel hey, not vservers related but what can lead to an infinite loop of gettimeofday (got that while stracing)
1159561507 M * mugwump a buggy program?
1159561524 M * samuel maybe, working on another os (fedora) but not on debian
1159561535 M * samuel java thing.. grr
1159561542 M * daniel_hozac there you go :)
1159561546 M * samuel heheheh
1159561625 M * mugwump perhaps that Makefile.svn could do with, eg, -1.9 added after the aclocal and automake command names
1159561666 M * daniel_hozac probably.
1159561699 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159562530 Q * stefani Quit: I Quit!
1159563059 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1159563872 Q * samuel Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's
1159563900 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159564365 M * mugwump hmm, there's no 'man' target anymore?
1159564553 M * daniel_hozac make man? or what?
1159564554 M * doener mugwump: debian?
1159564796 M * mugwump yeah, for debian
1159564814 M * mugwump oh, that's probably in a dpatch
1159564815 M * doener update-alternatives --config automake
1159564824 M * doener and switch to automake 1.9 as default ;)
1159564934 M * daniel_hozac make man works fine here :)
1159565238 J * samueltc ~samuel@d154-20-170-153.bchsia.telus.net
1159566166 J * dreamind apwdsl@p548AA8E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1159566397 M * mugwump oh, it's running make -C man
1159566427 M * mugwump grr, I'll have to go through the ~21 patches in the debian package and figure out which ones need to be applied
1159566434 M * daniel_hozac none, i think.
1159566444 M * daniel_hozac at least, that's the idea.
1159566460 M * daniel_hozac it's been a while since i checked the Debian package though.
1159566484 M * doener daniel_hozac: debian also replaces the init-scripts, so at least one patch is probably needed if you want the debian initscript
1159566498 M * matti :)
1159566502 M * daniel_hozac ah right, but i don't think that's done as a dpatch.
1159566509 M * dreamind Hi folks :)
1159566522 M * daniel_hozac hello dreamind
1159566530 M * dreamind hi daniel_hozac :)
1159566603 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: if you find any, please let me know.
1159566612 M * daniel_hozac (probably means i forgot something)
1159566619 M * mugwump will do.
1159566649 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159566884 M * daniel_hozac IMHO the only one is the vserver-build.functions_etc.dpatch, which i never understood.
1159566980 M * mugwump well, it's not an error to have a pre-existing vserver root, just one with contents.  that makes it a little easier to see what the test is
1159566991 M * mugwump as I interpret it
1159567012 M * daniel_hozac but it's not changing any test, just a message.
1159567014 M * daniel_hozac and the message is false.
1159567039 M * daniel_hozac isDirectoryEmpty isn't testing for just $VDIR/etc, it's making sure it's really empty (except for lost+found).
1159567047 M * mugwump oh right
1159567078 M * mugwump well, I've got a package out of this
1159567110 M * mugwump my workstation is on 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1, guess that'll do
1159567123 M * daniel_hozac it certainly should.
1159567165 M * mugwump wilber:~/src$ sudo vserver-stat
1159567165 M * mugwump vc_migrate_context(): Function not implemented
1159567168 M * mugwump :-/
1159567190 M * mugwump vserver(0xb010001, 0x1, 0, 0x403420, 0) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented)
1159567207 M * daniel_hozac doesn't look like a vserver kernel to me :)
1159567221 M * mugwump well, it's answering other syscalls OK
1159567222 M * mugwump vserver(0x2e010000, 0, 0, 0x403420, 0)  = 0
1159567225 M * mugwump vserver(0, 0x3f, 0, 0x403420, 0)        = 131073
1159567266 M * mugwump wilber:~/src$ sudo chcontext /bin/bash
1159567266 M * mugwump New security context is 49152
1159567300 M * daniel_hozac what vserver-stat is that?
1159567314 M * mugwump the one I just built, from r2338
1159567370 J * Kurt2 ~IRC-God@S010600e07dcfe0a4.wp.shawcable.net
1159567508 M * daniel_hozac hmm, oh shit.
1159567543 M * daniel_hozac i assume it works if you change lib/syscall_ctxmigrate-v13.hc to use _v0 instead?
1159567564 M * daniel_hozac i really need to start testing on older kernels as well...
1159567565 M * mugwump that system seems to be having some trouble...
1159567594 M * doener or force people to use recent kernels ;)
1159567602 M * mugwump or maybe it's just network
1159567612 M * daniel_hozac well, that sort of makes all the old APIs rather useless :P
1159567621 M * doener utopia!
1159567726 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1159567773 M * mugwump need a qemu harness or something
1159567808 M * hardwire rawr?
1159567932 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind
1159567983 A * daniel_hozac often fantasizes about an automated test suite run in qemu for a wide array of kernels.
1159568049 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: thanks a lot, that would've been a nasty bug.
1159568065 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1159568127 M * daniel_hozac i committed the fixes to svn (namespace has the same problem).
1159568168 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1159568514 M * hardwire anybody here fathom how XEN does a "live" migration?
1159568572 M * hardwire does it send data over to a new system.. while the OS is live.. then pause it.. migrate the delta.. and unpause it?
1159568717 M * samueltc data you mean ram and state?
1159568748 M * samueltc i think that both dom0 need access to the image
1159568796 M * hardwire I just assumed it would freeze the state.. since you can store that to a file right? and then thaw it once the image is verified after transfer
1159568864 M * samueltc I saw a demo, the guy was streaming a video from a domU, then he migrated domU to another dom0
1159568885 M * samueltc (domU image was hosted on a nfs share, both dom0 had access to the image)
1159568925 M * hardwire well thats just lame
1159568943 M * samueltc nothing stopped in the stream, just a small 200ms peak in the ping
1159568949 M * samueltc sorry
1159569034 M * hardwire creepy
1159569040 M * hardwire you think my method would work too?
1159569044 M * hardwire if I had a list of block deltas
1159569079 M * hardwire I supose thats the same as just moving a vserver.. only after you init 0 :)
1159569481 M * hardwire Bertl_oO: meh.. how did you say you could statically map an XID to a vserver?
1159569515 M * daniel_hozac /etc/vservers/<guest>/context
1159569537 M * hardwire just throw 49xxx in there as a one liner?
1159569551 M * daniel_hozac no.
1159569559 M * daniel_hozac the number has to be between 2 and 49151.
1159569653 M * hardwire and unique of course
1159569664 M * daniel_hozac of course.
1159569665 M * hardwire woot
1159569668 M * hardwire thanks daniel_hozac
1159569674 M * hardwire now collectd won't freak ouy
1159569693 M * hardwire I wish it would just resolve CTX to NAME and store things that way
1159569929 M * daniel_hozac using the xid is more flexible.
1159569980 M * hardwire yup
1159569985 M * hardwire this is mainly used for barriers?
1159569991 M * hardwire I don't really understand security contexts
1159569992 M * daniel_hozac what?
1159569998 M * hardwire obviously
1159570076 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Paper#Context_Separation for instance.
1159570135 Q * meandtheshell Quit: exit (0);
1159570170 M * hardwire ooooooooooooh
1159570175 M * hardwire its a cooontext!
1159570178 A * hardwire sighs
1159570651 J * node ~node@c-69-143-148-254.hsd1.md.comcast.net
1159570915 M * mugwump hardwire: note that openvz also supports live migration
1159570929 M * mugwump which is much more vserver-like than xen-like
1159570953 M * mugwump (openvz is more like vserver than xen, I mean)
1159570982 M * mugwump the containers support being merged into the kernel will no doubt end up with the best of both worlds...
1159571023 M * mugwump so, things like checkpointing and live migration will happen eventually, but for now you have to put up with a small pause :)
1159571093 M * hardwire openvz sounded interesting
1159571099 M * hardwire I just didn';t have a good approach path to it
1159571100 M * hardwire heh
1159571107 M * hardwire as in I was too lazy
1159571182 M * mugwump I haven't really looked at it in depth either
1159571270 M * hardwire oh nice
1159571275 M * hardwire my kernel froze last time I tried this
1159571293 M * hardwire moutned a checkpoint in time for the nilfs filesystem which is the root of a vserver I have running
1159571309 M * hardwire now I can test.. rsync.. revert
1159571338 M * hardwire I could earler.. but I like the down to the write checkpoints
1159571423 M * hardwire http://pastebin.ca/186451
1159571426 M * hardwire how cool 
1159571732 M * mugwump that sounds a little safer than lvm snapshots
1159571818 M * hardwire about the same I would imagine
1159571831 M * hardwire atleast as far as specific data is concerned.. sql files etc.. 
1159571860 M * hardwire put you could lock the sql server.. then make a checkpoint.. and unlock.. very fast
1159571879 M * hardwire the nilfs maintainers want to port nilfs to windows
1159571879 M * hardwire hehe
1159571954 M * hardwire I guess reiser4 has something interesting as well
1159572990 Q * hardwire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159573517 J * hardwire ~sspencer@209.112.165.133
1159573699 M * hardwire I .. love .. rsnapshot
1159573712 M * hardwire I can't seem to keep a machien running long enough to not need it daily
1159573712 M * hardwire hah