1159401650 M * garo if the guest would use the same kernel as the host it would be rather hard to restore the kernel state from a snapshot... 1159401677 M * Bertl well, this brings you down to one then (Xen) 1159401697 M * Bertl an alternative (but somewhat slower) would be QEMU 1159401791 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159401803 M * Bertl OTOH, that would give you optimal control over the test system 1159401873 M * garo i never tried it, but qemu, bochs and vmware seem rather heavy for this machine (P3 500mhz 128MB) 1159401931 M * Bertl I don't think that is a problem for qemu, but of course, you have some (significant) performance overhead 1159401976 M * Bertl the advantage of QEMU would be that you can actually emulate a variety of systems (including other archs and multi cpu systems) 1159401978 M * garo so it is a problem... 1159402105 M * garo i'm only gonna use linux (a very small chance for openbsd), so i don't have a advantage there 1159402108 Q * Crackstar Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de ) 1159402131 M * Bertl garo: well, linux currently supports 12 base archs and 25 variants 1159402134 M * garo but first some sleep... syl 1159402147 M * Bertl k, good night then! 1159402250 M * garo btw, don't you need some sleep, it's also in .de 2:10 ! :) (or is it already 3:10) 1159402267 M * Bertl 2am, yep :) 1159402288 M * Bertl but don't worry, I'll get my sleep :) 1159402437 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what do you think of the following 'idea' regarding swapping (are you still awake?) 1159402700 M * Bertl ah, well, remind me of it tomorrow then ... :) 1159402710 M * Bertl guess I'm off to bed now too ... 1159402722 M * Bertl have a good one everyone ... cya tomorrow! 1159402731 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1159402803 Q * meandtheshell Quit: exit (0); 1159403608 J * _node node@wireless-168-226.umbc.edu 1159404476 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I am too stupid to find the proper docs ... I am looking for the way to enable icmp access for vservers (raw icmp?) - in which file to I write which statement? :-( 1159404645 M * doener if you need more icmp than what ping needs, you probably need cap_net_raw (ccapabilities, ask the flowerpage about the right thing to add there) 1159404660 M * doener but be aware that the vserver can sniff the network traffic then 1159404778 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo its my own guest, so I am fine with the security 1159404784 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I'll re--look, thx 1159404800 Q * vasko Server closed connection 1159404801 J * vasko ~vasko@unreal.rainside.sk 1159404801 A * vasko is gone. Gone since Wed Sep 20 15:44:00 2006 1159404817 M * doener the ccapabilities entry on the flowerpage has a link to some C file that lists the possible values IIRC 1159404848 M * daniel_hozac ccapabilities is for ccaps, i.e. raw_icmp, CAP_NET_RAW needs to go into bcapabilities. 1159404864 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo and how do I enable them? 1159404929 M * daniel_hozac echo CAP_NET_RAW >> /etc/vservers/.../bcapabilities; vserver ... restart 1159404964 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo argh, ich merke schon, ich bin zu muede um noch sinnvoll informationen zu verarbeiten :-| 1159405119 M * daniel_hozac speaking of tiredness, i should be going to bed. good night! 1159405147 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo baba and thanks 1159405458 M * doener daniel_hozac: d'oh 1159405471 M * doener guess we're all tired ;) 1159405513 M * _node you guys are in germany? 1159405535 M * doener gonzo and myself, daniel is in sweden 1159405594 M * _node ahh, so it is pretty late for you then 1159405622 M * doener 3am... what's the time in Maryland? 1159405630 M * _node 8pm 1159405633 M * _node er, 9 1159405636 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax6-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1159405839 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159405935 M * doener wow, another 10 messages on (L)GPL on lkml, after the long time of silence, I did not expect such a huge discussion "out of nowhere" 1159406359 Q * _node Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159406565 J * Brianlight ~brian@216-67-193-92.nas1.kgm.az.frontiernet.net 1159406693 J * _node node@wireless-168-226.umbc.edu 1159406724 P * Brianlight Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org 1159407124 Q * Aiken__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159407439 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1159408388 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax6-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1159408388 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer 1159409136 Q * _node Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159409619 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_)) 1159409629 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4DB48.dip.t-dialin.net 1159409821 J * ScoobyD00 ~foo@82-44-80-99.cable.ubr08.newm.blueyonder.co.uk 1159409914 M * ScoobyD00 hello 1159410755 M * ScoobyD00 can anybody help me with a problem? 1159411005 Q * ScoobyD00 1159411658 J * _node ~node@69.143.148.254 1159413218 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer 1159415183 Q * s0undt3ch Quit: leaving 1159415191 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-243-185.dsl.telepac.pt 1159417527 Q * _node Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159418534 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159419363 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A064B6.dip.t-dialin.net 1159419514 Q * coocoon 1159422600 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1159423275 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159424364 Q * _are_ Quit: bbl 1159424479 M * matti :) 1159424942 Q * derjohn2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159424976 J * derjohn2 ~aj@dslb-084-058-223-178.pools.arcor-ip.net 1159426520 J * dna_ ~naucki@p54BCF9F9.dip.t-dialin.net 1159428782 J * id23 ~id@p50810A25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1159428791 M * id23 good morning #vserver 1159429660 P * garo 1159429926 Q * tokkee Remote host closed the connection 1159430145 M * harry vi .signature 1159430149 M * harry hmm... sry! 1159430275 J * prae ~Benjamin@5-63.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr 1159430359 M * matti Hi harry. 1159430364 M * matti Eh. 1159430411 M * prae hi * 1159430421 M * matti Hi prae. 1159430427 M * nayco_work hello, all ! 1159430435 M * harry hey matti 1159430449 A * matti feels ignored :< 1159430465 J * tokkee tokkee@casella.verplant.org 1159430567 M * harry ? 1159430574 M * harry i say hi, and eveyone ignores you?\ 1159430590 A * harry slaps matti around a bit with a large "HI MATTI"-sign 1159430594 M * prae :) 1159430594 M * harry moehaha 1159430611 M * matti harry: No, no. I do not have you in mind. 1159430630 M * harry mkay then :) 1159430642 M * matti harry: But, since I am in England now... I feel to be ignored by some of my friends... Strange feeling. 1159430645 M * matti :< 1159430646 A * matti is unhappy. 1159430651 M * harry btw, matti , i don'tput 2.6.17.13 patch online, if you're interested 1159430679 M * matti harry: Em? You mean the 2.6.18 one? 1159430687 M * harry nope 1159430701 M * matti harry: .13 really? 1159430710 M * harry i don't make the patch for 2.6.18 yet... i'll wait until it gets "more stable/secure" 1159430712 M * matti harry: I am using it for quite some time right now. 1159430722 M * harry which one? 1159430739 M * matti harry: Yeah... spender says, that .18 is badly fsck-uped a bit. 1159430750 M * harry i know 1159430756 A * harry seen the changelogs... 1159430763 M * matti Hehe. 1159430770 A * matti seen it too. 1159430787 M * harry you patched 2.6.17.13 yourself? or used mine? 1159430791 M * matti Honestly, I was reading it for almost half of hour ;p 1159430794 J * serMax ~evg@89.105.144.9 1159430803 M * matti harry: Yours. 1159430832 M * harry ah... let me know if you run into any probs... /me running it on 6 servers now... no problems so far... 1159430836 M * matti harry: Works like a charm for now. 1159430851 M * matti harry: Yep, I didn't noticed any glitches also. 1159430853 N * serMax krash 1159430868 M * harry me neither... seems to work all fine :) 1159430872 M * matti harry: We can assume, that this patch is stable/good for production usage so far. 1159430892 M * harry i did , however, change my .config for vserver 1159430900 M * matti You did? 1159430902 M * matti What kind? 1159430966 M * harry # CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY is not set 1159430966 M * harry CONFIG_VSERVER_NGNET=y 1159430967 M * harry CONFIG_VSERVER_REMAP_SADDR=y 1159430980 M * harry those switched from not set, to yes, and the other way around :)) 1159431297 M * krash http://magegame.ru/?rf=5375706572446f67 cool :) 1159431384 M * matti harry: Oh, so... this is not really an issue :) 1159431397 M * matti harry: Just little Kconfig changes... I can live with that :) 1159431408 M * matti harry: Thanks - good work as usual. 1159431417 A * matti sends virtual beer to harry. 1159431644 M * harry hehe 1159431653 A * harry put a changelog online too... makes more sense :) 1159431690 M * harry changing it on the wiki as we speak... if i get on it ;)) 1159431741 M * matti ;] 1159431769 M * harry damn, doesn't work here :S 1159431773 A * harry will do it later 1159432043 M * matti harry: ;p 1159432346 J * brc_ ~bruce@201.19.169.9 1159432388 M * harry done 1159432395 M * harry but it doesn't seem to work here... 1159432398 M * harry will try again later :) 1159432829 Q * brc_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159432958 M * Borg- w 3 1159432960 M * Borg- ups ;) 1159432961 M * Borg- moin 1159434032 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-149-109-85.hive.is 1159434121 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-206-215.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1159434546 P * krash 1159434654 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-209-103.pools.arcor-ip.net 1159436806 M * harry is there a reason why i can't access http://people.linux-vserver.org/~harry/ ? 1159436832 M * sid3windr probably 1159436834 M * sid3windr (i can) 1159436893 M * harry can you get to that page??? 1159436898 M * sid3windr yes. 1159436902 M * harry bloody hell 1159436907 M * harry why doesn't this work over here :S 1159436920 M * sid3windr blame herman! 1159436944 M * harry herman: i blame you! 1159436948 M * harry there... now what? 1159436950 M * sid3windr dunno 1159436960 M * harry but... i just blamed herman! 1159436961 M * sid3windr oh you're on telenep 1159436962 M * sid3windr :p 1159436965 M * sid3windr that explains a lot ;) 1159436970 M * harry no i'm not 1159436980 M * harry well... yes i am... at least, my irc is :) 1159436982 M * sid3windr :p 1159437384 Q * id23 Remote host closed the connection 1159437489 M * daniel_hozac harry: can you access just people.linux-vserver.org, or anybody else's people account? 1159437492 M * harry works again! 1159437503 M * harry no, ftp.linux-vserver.org didn't work either 1159437509 M * harry now it works again :)) 1159437584 M * harry question: is there a need for an updated version of 1.2.10 for 2.4 kernels? 1159437590 M * harry (maybe even with grsec for that?) 1159437609 M * daniel_hozac i hope not, as 1.2.11-rc1 is the latest version. 1159437629 M * daniel_hozac and isn't eyck the only one still using 2.4? :) :P 1159437639 M * harry don't know 1159437653 M * harry i was looking at the site, and saw that 2.4.30 was the latest patch update :) 1159437666 M * daniel_hozac 1.2.11-rc1 is for .31. 1159437667 M * harry or 2.4.31 for the prepatch 1159437678 M * harry yes, but that's not the latest stable version :) 1159437688 M * daniel_hozac i think we've had _one_ request to update the patches to something more recent. 1159437698 M * harry anyway, if there is a need for 2.4.33.3 update, i will make one :) 1159437716 M * harry if noone uses it, then i won't bother 1159437783 M * daniel_hozac one request in over a year... 1159437795 M * harry so no... i won't bother 1159437816 M * daniel_hozac i wouldn't, but i'm extremely lazy ;) 1159437836 M * harry you've got the same devine powers as me :) 1159437911 Q * nayco_work Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159438679 Q * Wonka Server closed connection 1159438681 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de 1159439594 J * brc_ ~bruce@201.19.169.9 1159439630 Q * nib-nico Server closed connection 1159439631 J * nib-nico ~nico@nibweb.net 1159441556 Q * cohan Server closed connection 1159441568 J * cohan ~cohan@koniczek.de 1159441853 J * Hollow_mobile ~bene@217.110.45.98 1159441874 M * Hollow_mobile morning #vserver :) 1159442000 M * daniel_hozac good morning Hollow_mobile! 1159442129 M * daniel_hozac oh, while i remember it, does http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/trunk/svnusers.map look ok to you? 1159442261 M * Hollow_mobile daniel_hozac: well, does svn even support it? 1159442268 M * daniel_hozac yes, svn2cl supports it ;) 1159442272 M * daniel_hozac see the -rc2 ChangeLog. 1159442281 M * Hollow_mobile ah ok... yeah, looks ok 1159442883 Q * derjohn Quit: by(t)e 1159443673 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19 1159444371 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159444624 Q * Aiken__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159444783 M * Hollow_mobile daniel_hozac: i just read the vsmon thread on the ML... did Bertl add new syscalls for uptime, threads, etc lately? 1159444923 M * daniel_hozac not yet, AFAIK. 1159444937 M * Hollow_mobile ok.. 1159445008 M * daniel_hozac i can't find it in the latest patch anyway. 1159445472 J * nayco ~nayco@proxy2.laroche.univ-nantes.fr 1159445885 M * Hollow_mobile off again.. cu all 1159445886 Q * Hollow_mobile Quit: Leaving 1159445891 M * sid3windr freak. 1159445891 M * sid3windr : 1159445892 M * sid3windr p 1159445898 M * sid3windr just coming online from mobile to ask that ;) 1159446146 P * Roey Leaving 1159446161 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159446664 Q * nayco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159447805 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159448011 M * Borg- ;) 1159448403 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159448474 J * nayco ~nayco@proxy2.laroche.univ-nantes.fr 1159448479 M * nayco 1159448508 M * daniel_hozac 1159451566 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1159451806 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1159451845 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159453303 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1159453850 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159454202 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1159454205 M * Bertl morning folks! 1159454272 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl! 1159454382 M * matti Hi Bertl :) 1159454390 M * Borg- afternoon :) 1159454410 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: what was that swap idea you had last night? 1159454414 M * doener morning Bertl 1159454592 M * Bertl ah, good that you remind me :) 1159454619 M * Bertl well, I thought about the basic problem, that we cannot tell which page is associated with what context 1159454630 M * Bertl (without tagging each page) 1159454661 M * Bertl but, I thought we can probably do something better instead 1159454695 M * doener tagging breaks for shared pages anyway, doesn't it? (unless you want to introduce a linked list, bye bye last bit of performance ;) 1159454742 M * Bertl what if we check (at certain times, e.g. on scheduling a context task) for the soft limit (RSS) and if a context is above that limit, we start to walk the vma/mm and free up pages similar to the page out mechanisms? 1159454781 M * Bertl that would implicitly add a penalty for that context and use the time to free up context specific pages 1159454857 M * daniel_hozac right... 1159454866 M * Bertl we do not even have to free up all pages which are above the limit, just a few of them, maybe only a single one each time 1159454894 M * Bertl basically that would use context time slices for doing page outs 1159454895 M * matti Eh. 1159454911 M * Bertl okay, dinnertime ... back shortly 1159454929 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i think it makes sense. 1159455125 M * ay Ok. I you happend to delete /etc/vservers.... 1159455134 M * ay And want to stop a instance.... 1159455162 M * ay You see it in vservers-stat, but it does not have a name..... 1159455170 M * ay Reboot only option? 1159455232 M * daniel_hozac vkill 1159455269 M * ay using what pid? The CTX? 1159455378 M * daniel_hozac vkill -c 1159455425 M * ay vkill --xid 49154 1159455428 M * ay That worked. 1159455543 M * ay Thanks. 1159456025 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, hollow's missing interfaces are already in my tree here, just not published yet 1159456053 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: ah, ok. 1159456072 M * Bertl well, have to finalize and test them ... 1159456091 M * Bertl (will probably happen this weekend together with the 2.1.1 cleanups) 1159456126 M * daniel_hozac sounds good. 1159456291 M * matti Ehh. 1159456594 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1159456936 M * Bertl okay, translocating now ... back in a few hours ... 1159456941 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1159457693 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1159457986 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159458595 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1159458616 M * Borg- hmm interesting :) 1159458617 M * Borg- [root@test1] netstat -an | grep 8080 1159458617 M * Borg- tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1159458626 M * Borg- I have 2 ifaces in guest.. 1159458643 M * Borg- and everything works fine.. :) 1159458739 M * nox 2.6.16.16-vs2.1.1-rc20 <-- i seem to have udp routing problems. any ideas? 1159459170 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1159459181 M * daniel_hozac nox: hmm? 1159459194 M * daniel_hozac nox: and have you tried with a more recent kernel, like 2.6.17.13-vs2.1.1-rc35? 1159459513 M * nox daniel_hozac: hoped to fetch .18 with next reboot 1159459712 M * nox but really seems to be forward problem, over vpn it works. iptables is correct afaik 1159459745 M * nox iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -s ! 10.0.0.0/8 --dport 8768 -j DNAT -i eth0 --to-destination 10.9.9.178:8768 1159459748 M * nox iptables -A FORWARD -p udp -i eth0 --dport 8768 -j ACCEPT 1159460037 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.36.111 1159461043 J * r_marvin ~r_marvin@83.166.220.142 1159461100 M * r_marvin the muni wiki says i should ask here for a vserver plugin for munin, where can i get it? 1159461854 Q * bubulak Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159461875 M * stefani r_marvin: there are at least two, probably more in development. 1159461883 M * stefani lemme ping somebody 1159461959 M * r_marvin thanks 1159462091 J * bubulak ~bubulak@whisky.pendo.sk 1159462542 Q * prae Quit: Quitte 1159462640 Q * Borg- Quit: leaving 1159463030 J * Borg- borg@cube.benet.uu3.net 1159463166 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159463325 M * gdm r_marvin: it will be available soon 1159463329 M * gdm i mean, publicly 1159463565 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159463653 J * rohan ~rohan@67.70.253.226 1159463744 J * Piet__ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159463880 M * r_marvin gdm: cool, are there some broken halves i can toy with in the meantime? 1159463964 Q * Piet_ Remote host closed the connection 1159464443 J * coocoon ~coocoon@dslb-084-056-205-065.pools.arcor-ip.net 1159464450 M * coocoon hello 1159464537 Q * trippeh Quit: dumme irssi! 1159464710 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1159464739 M * daniel_hozac r_marvin: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-vserver/people/holger/munin-plugins/?rev=0&sc=0 1159464743 M * daniel_hozac wb Bertl! 1159464752 M * Bertl nox: forwarding is not affected/changed by Linux-VServer code 1159464760 M * r_marvin daniel_hozac: thanks a lot 1159464928 Q * Loki|muh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159465305 M * gdm r_marvin: hey 1159465309 M * gdm one sec 1159465320 M * r_marvin ? 1159465330 M * gdm r_marvin: https://munin.tachanka.org/mayfirst.org/shadow.mayfirst.org.html#Vserver <== dual cpu (cpu0 anc cpu1) vsmultcpu_ example 1159465347 M * gdm r_marvin: https://munin.tachanka.org/indymedia.org/kompost.indymedia.org.html#Vserver <== single processor vscpu example 1159465352 M * r_marvin nice, but i use single cpus 1159465362 M * gdm second examploe 1159465373 M * gdm i can send you that... /msg me your email or something 1159465387 M * r_marvin i would have been interested in configs to monitor specific services inside vservers 1159465406 M * r_marvin so i don't install munin-node in each one 1159465416 M * gdm they are all run from te host 1159465422 M * gdm all of those plugins 1159465438 M * gdm i mean, both shadow.mayfirst.org and kompost.indymedia.org are hosts 1159465442 M * gdm and not guests 1159465458 M * r_marvin i mean mail queue for the mailserver, web stuff for the webserver, etc 1159465478 M * gdm well, you'll have to hack them yourself, i guess ;-) 1159465485 M * r_marvin yea 1159465489 M * gdm and let us know when it's done! 1159465495 M * r_marvin i just discovered munin, and i'm hooked 1159465502 M * gdm yeah, it's really great 1159465507 M * r_marvin it's too easy to set it up 1159465512 M * gdm i need to learn more and proper scripting tho 1159465517 M * r_marvin cacti was a real pain i the *** 1159465519 M * gdm ok, gotta get back to cooking 1159465526 M * gdm lol - /me had same problem 1159465529 M * r_marvin thanks a lot 1159465541 M * r_marvin now i'm working on the nagios integration 1159465557 M * r_marvin if it works out right, i'll make a howto 1159465589 M * r_marvin but it'll take a while, as it's "toy-priority" :) 1159465638 M * r_marvin anyway, it looks great, thanks :) 1159465843 J * VxJasonxV ~jason@ip70-162-146-217.ph.ph.cox.net 1159466060 M * doener Bertl, mugwump: this might be interesting for you, it's a patch series to implement a "token-based CPU controller". http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/28/236 1159466062 M * meandtheshell what does "BME" stand for looking at http://ftp.linux-vserver.org/pub/kernel/ 1159466068 M * doener bind mount extensions 1159466082 M * meandtheshell doener: I see - thank you 1159466089 M * daniel_hozac included in 2.1.0+ and 2.0.2+ 1159466099 M * meandtheshell ok 1159466207 M * Bertl doener: well, have to check what they are doing, but at the first glance it looks very hackish 1159466290 M * doener I just found it in my inbox and just wanted you to know, didn't read it yet 1159466349 M * Bertl yeah, thanks a lot, probably would have missed it 1159466350 M * matti Hi doener, Bertl. 1159466406 M * doener Bertl: actually the "V2" in the subject caught my eye. At first I thought it was another GPLv2/v3 thing *g* 1159466590 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, seems i can reproduce the NFS mount failures. 1159466732 M * matti Eh. 1159466800 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm. 1159466803 M * daniel_hozac vfs_kern_mount 1159466807 M * matti Hi daniel_hozac. 1159466813 M * daniel_hozac hi matti 1159466818 M * matti :-))))) 1159466833 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: isn't that capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) the problem? 1159466836 M * matti Finally! One person not mad on me :) 1159466870 N * Piet__ Piet 1159466871 M * daniel_hozac hehe, why would people be mad at you? 1159466932 M * meandtheshell Bertl: as of now experimental stuff can be reached via the 13thfloor.at/Experimental - if I recall correctly daniel told me yesterday you're going to use git.linux-vserver.org in the future for patches. What is going to happen to all the other stuff below 13thfloor.at/* e.g. 13thfloor.at/Stuff? 1159467241 M * VxJasonxV Anybody here (and active) using Gentoo for their linux-vserver (as host and vserver)? 1159467267 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1159467268 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1159467531 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: could be, didn't check the code yet 1159467549 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: but IIRC, the binary mount flag should override that 1159467558 M * Bertl (at least it did when I checked( 1159467561 M * Bertl )) 1159467680 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159467992 J * s0undt3ch_ ~s0undt3ch@bl6-69-107.dsl.telepac.pt 1159467995 J * h01ger ~holger@socket.layer-acht.org 1159468058 M * h01ger hi 1159468069 M * Bertl hey h01ger! 1159468078 M * h01ger heyhey Bertl :) 1159468169 M * Bertl meandtheshell: the 'old' repositories will still remain, some parts of them will be moved somewhere else though 1159468196 N * Piet_ Piet 1159468334 M * meandtheshell Bertl: I see 1159468397 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1159468421 M * Bertl btw, I already tried to switch to git, but that try failed ... but no worries, I'll try again shortly 1159468426 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159468433 M * meandtheshell :) 1159468450 M * doener Bertl: plain git, or sth. like stgit? 1159468469 M * Bertl I was trying to master git, with some help from cogito 1159468505 M * Bertl but it's not git who was to blame here, I think I confused myself with the various branches 1159468579 M * doener well, my expectation is that it will be easier to maintain a patch series on top of the linus branch, and from what I've heard, that's a lot easier with eg. stgit, thus I'm asking 1159468582 Q * s0undt3ch_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159468614 M * Bertl yeah, the stgit is probably a way to go at some point 1159468638 M * Bertl but I don't want to use that before I _exactly_ know what git itself does 1159468643 M * doener although the rebase stuff is said to have improved a lot 1159468668 M * Bertl I'm currently cleaning up my devel system 1159468698 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: no, binary_mount isn't checked for there. 1159468713 M * Bertl will take a few days until this is done, then I'll probably start to 'check in' existing releases and kernels, just to get a better feeling 1159468740 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, but shouldn't that affect all other mounts too? 1159468766 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: well, it only affects non devpts/tmpfs, non-block device mounts. 1159468768 M * daniel_hozac AFAICT. 1159468788 M * Bertl hmm, so the classical network mount candidates 1159468810 M * Bertl okay, then it should be easy to fix, by extending that capable check with a vx_capable() right? 1159468829 M * daniel_hozac i think so. 1159469124 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl6-69-107.dsl.telepac.pt 1159469386 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1159469601 M * matti daniel_hozac: I don't know :| 1159469640 A * doener pretends to be mad at matti 1159469676 M * doener matti: you did ... and ... and then you ... at ... and finally ...! 1159469703 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1159469869 J * hardwire ~sspencer@209.112.165.133 1159469873 M * hardwire yo 1159469876 A * hardwire cries a little 1159469887 M * daniel_hozac why? 1159469901 M * hardwire I am using debian vserver tools 1159469908 M * hardwire I made a new vserver.. no problem 1159469923 M * hardwire but it seems that its restricted somehow not obvious to me 1159469933 M * hardwire if I install boa/apache/etc.. it can't write log files for some reason 1159469954 M * hardwire this is all on debian-etch w/ etch binary kernel 1159469969 M * matti doener: Yoyx. 1159469971 M * matti doener: :) 1159469988 M * Bertl hardwire: sounds interesting, what was the command to create the guest? 1159470007 M * hardwire well I think boa is failing due to the host machine using port 80 1159470012 M * hardwire but I can't figure out zope for the life of me 1159470016 M * hardwire lemme snag a cmdline 1159470030 M * hardwire newvserver -v --hostname anc-www-01 --domain icrcsolutions.com --ip 192.168.50.7/24 --dist etch --mirror http://192.168.50.3/debian/ 1159470053 M * doener hardwire: the vserver's directory is /vservers/foo or /var/lib/vservers/foo, right? 1159470057 M * matti Bertl: What's up? 1159470063 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-75.sttnwaho.covad.net 1159470082 M * hardwire yeh.. boa was a bind issue 1159470084 M * doener matti: Yoyx? 1159470087 M * Bertl hardwire: don't know why the debian folks still insist on this funny tool, in any case you should set a static context, otherwise you will runn into funny issues every now and then 1159470096 M * hardwire doener: /var/lib/vservers/anc-www-01 1159470099 M * doener ok 1159470121 M * hardwire Bertl: I rather like it.. but doesn't vserver have helper monkeys for installing certain distros? 1159470138 M * hardwire this is the first time I have ever used the tool 1159470148 M * Bertl yes, basically the vserver command does all what you want/need 1159470159 M * hardwire I can just never remember the frelling context 1159470162 M * doener let's check the barrier anyway... showattr -d /{,var/{,lib/{,vservers/{,anc-www-01}}}} 1159470174 M * hardwire and the lack of documentation w/o heading off to the debian grimoire site hurts 1159470179 M * hardwire showattr! 1159470183 M * hardwire I was looking for that damnit 1159470184 M * doener hardwire: only the line for /var/lib/vservers should have a B, the others should have a b 1159470187 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: vserver - build --help 1159470187 M * hardwire I assumed it was getattr 1159470220 M * hardwire its barrier set 1159470223 M * hardwire big B right 1159470231 M * doener only that line? 1159470234 M * hardwire daniel_hozac: that doesn't describe the debootstrap options 1159470240 M * hardwire ---Bui- /var/lib/vservers 1159470244 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: what debootstrap options? 1159470247 M * doener ok 1159470260 M * doener hardwire: the same with "ls -ld" instead of "showattr -d" please 1159470280 M * hardwire drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2006-09-28 02:30 /var/lib/vservers 1159470285 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I think, he refers to --dist eth --mirror? 1159470294 M * hardwire indeed 1159470298 M * hardwire and --exclude 1159470307 M * doener hardwire: do _all_ have 755 permissions? 1159470317 M * daniel_hozac well, that's not really options related to vserver build. 1159470326 M * hardwire drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 2006-09-28 01:55 /var/lib/vservers/anc-www-01 1159470331 M * doener ok 1159470338 M * hardwire drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-09-28 01:34 /var/lib/vservers/anc-www-01/bin 1159470380 M * doener hardwire: do you use the tagxid mount option? (is it still called that way?) 1159470381 M * hardwire yeh.. this is just a zope issue at this point I believe.. but it works outside of a vserver 1159470392 M * daniel_hozac doener: it is in stable ;) 1159470403 M * hardwire doener: on the host fs? no 1159470416 M * doener on the mount the vservers are on ;) 1159470421 M * hardwire newp 1159470453 M * doener ok, could we get the error messages you see? 1159470457 M * Bertl doener: easy way to check that with lsxid :) 1159470474 M * doener Bertl: I still have no idea about the whole disklimits thingy ;) 1159470495 M * hardwire !!ERR!! 1159470496 M * hardwire :) 1159470507 M * Bertl good :) 1159470519 M * hardwire I actually appreciate the debian tool 1159470537 M * hardwire its easy to snag from the feeds and includes a primary amount of the excludes 1159470541 M * Bertl yeah, no problem with that, just add the --context unconditionally :) 1159470542 M * hardwire less to document/remember/etc.. 1159470547 M * hardwire wtc is --context? 1159470551 M * hardwire wtf 1159470556 M * phreak`` hrm, so why the heck is the Makefile-files in script/ skipping the gentoo files :| 1159470564 M * Bertl hardwire: the one you are missing right now 1159470567 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: no autoreconf? 1159470568 M * doener does newvserver create non-legacy guests by now? 1159470576 M * hardwire *sigh* 1159470576 M * Bertl hardwire: your guest has an xid >49152 1159470583 M * daniel_hozac doener: i think someone updated it to use vserver build. 1159470584 M * hardwire it what? 1159470587 M * daniel_hozac i.e. it's just a wrapper. 1159470594 M * Bertl hardwire: check with vserver-stat 1159470595 M * doener daniel_hozac: wow :) 1159470604 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: I didn't touch Makefile.* :) just Makefile-files and that nothing autotooled iirc 1159470606 M * hardwire 49159 3 5.5M 1.9M 0m00s00 0m00s00 22m20s81 anc-www-01 1159470612 M * Bertl see 1159470620 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: those are included from $(top_srcdir)/Makefile.am 1159470627 M * hardwire Bertl: I just don't grok the point I guess 1159470628 M * Bertl hardwire: that xid will change every time you start the guest 1159470632 M * hardwire ok 1159470642 M * hardwire but I am not using xid enabled anything 1159470648 M * Bertl which might cause all kind of issues 1159470661 M * hardwire Bertl: I don't see how 1159470672 M * Bertl not right now maybe, but at some point you will encounter issues, trust me 1159470689 M * daniel_hozac like when dynamic context support is removed :) 1159470697 M * Bertl you can easily add that context id to a configured guest 1159470699 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: yeah, its included. but why are entries like the ones added by http://dev.croup.de/proj/gentoo-vps/browser/util-vserver/patches/0.30.211/210_all_gentoo-tools.patch skipped ? *g* 1159470742 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: did you regenerate the files? 1159470811 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: define "regenerate". you mean running autoreconf ? 1159470816 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1159470821 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159470824 M * daniel_hozac or at least automake. 1159470844 M * hardwire hmm 1159470853 M * hardwire I had some questions about hashify/unify as well 1159470892 M * Bertl well, let's hear 1159470899 M * hardwire mainly.. it may hard link like files.. I don't have a problem there.. but when it writes to a file that is a hard link on the host filesystem does it replace the linked file somehow? 1159470924 M * Bertl with CoW link breaking (part of the devel branch) yes 1159470933 M * hardwire thats not what I am using :) 1159470945 M * Bertl then no :) 1159470958 M * hardwire I don't see the benifit of like files will be updated throughout each vserver 1159470972 M * daniel_hozac speaking of which, will you include the link breaking on chmod/chown/etc. patch? 1159470982 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: that's not the point. 1159470986 M * daniel_hozac the point is to save space and RAM. 1159470989 M * phreak`` hrm, autotools isn't liking me *grml* 1159470991 M * Bertl the benefit of unification is a smaller memory footprint 1159470992 M * hardwire actually it kinda freaks me out that updating a default sshd config would update every vserver its linked to 1159470994 M * daniel_hozac by sharing the files among many guests. 1159471004 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: url? 1159471007 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: the file is immutable. you can't write to it. 1159471020 M * hardwire so it is a cow? 1159471026 M * hardwire and Bertl is on crack? 1159471029 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/k/delta-cow-feat04.diff, but i haven't updated it for a while. 1159471037 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/LC3bBg10.html thats what I get when trying to run autoreconf :) 1159471039 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: no, it's not COW. 1159471054 M * hardwire if its immutable then how to I update it? 1159471058 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: wrong version? 1159471062 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: that's the point. you don't. 1159471072 M * Bertl hardwire: remove (unlink) then update 1159471084 M * hardwire so I am replacing ram savings with admin time 1159471085 M * hardwire woo1 1159471086 M * Bertl hardwire: removal is permitted on unified links 1159471103 M * Bertl hardwire: works with 99% of all package tools 1159471118 M * Bertl (which naturally remove and replace stuff, instead of writing over it) 1159471130 M * hardwire so I unify two machines 1159471135 M * hardwire and I make a change to sshd_config in /etc 1159471140 M * hardwire and.. I can't 1159471142 M * daniel_hozac no, you don't. 1159471149 M * daniel_hozac /etc isn't hashified nor unified. 1159471153 M * Bertl without CoW, you won't unify configuration files 1159471165 M * hardwire daniel_hozac: that helps :) 1159471206 M * hardwire I hate to ask but I think I started using this at a bad time as far as documentation and the wiki is concerned 1159471285 M * Bertl no, it's actually a good time to help moving stuff >:) 1159471338 M * doener heh :) 1159471346 M * hardwire actually it kinda creeps me out thinking that a default ssh key or something to that sort would be updated one 1159471347 M * hardwire :( 1159471355 M * hardwire crap.. thats the wrong paste buffer 1159471364 M * hardwire anc-www-01:/etc# netstat -nlp 1159471364 M * hardwire (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info 1159471364 M * hardwire will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.) 1159471379 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: ok, eautoreconf wasn't working (no clue why), but eautomake works, and now the gentoo-tools are getting installed. but why do I need to (re)run automake, when _not_ touching a autotools related file ? 1159471382 M * hardwire am I missing something? or is something just missing from proc 1159471393 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: that file is autotools related. 1159471396 M * daniel_hozac phreak``: it's included. 1159471436 M * doener phreak``: it's included at automake time, not configure time 1159471465 M * Bertl hardwire: don't know, what _are_ you missing there? 1159471568 M * hardwire augh.. you know in some channels I am not a newb. 1159471605 M * hardwire its frustrating initiating myself into a new channel without feeling overly helpless and at the mercy of completely unkown people. 1159471649 M * hardwire anyways I have no clue what I am missing, except I remember most of proc represented quite differently than on a standard host 1159471692 M * phreak`` doener: daniel_hozac: thanks :) now I got it! 1159472026 M * Bertl hardwire: ah, okay, that's called procfs security 1159472041 M * Bertl hardwire: and don't worry, you are here among friends 1159472110 M * Bertl hmm, my grammar sucks today ... 1159472172 M * doener hm, yummy... hot water with condensed milk... seems call 0xc0ffee returned -EINVAL... 1159472331 M * daniel_hozac lol 1159472382 M * doener If I had actually looked into the cup before taking a sip I'd also laugh... :/ 1159472399 M * daniel_hozac eww. 1159472687 A * hardwire is a coffee mate person 1159472768 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1159473084 M * h01ger micah, now i'm mostly at dinner... 1159473214 A * micah points gdm at h01ger 1159473217 Q * transacid Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159473340 M * hardwire I need to go home 1159473354 M * hardwire this zope madness is annoying 1159473365 M * Bertl hmm, any logs? 1159473378 M * daniel_hozac hardwire: btw, that error is probably due to a sysv initstyle. 1159473389 M * daniel_hozac (the netstat warning) 1159473449 M * hardwire ok 1159473455 M * hardwire so make it go to runlevel 2? 1159473464 M * hardwire hehe 1159473488 M * hardwire hmm.. I made a 15 meg strace dump of zope 1159473505 M * Bertl 'sysv' init style avoids starting an init for each guest 1159473517 M * Bertl instead it 'reuses' the host init as blend through 1159473535 M * Bertl (only starting the sysv runlevel scripts) 1159473558 M * Bertl the netstat probably sees that init but cannot access process details 1159473571 M * daniel_hozac yeah, /proc/1/fd to be specific. 1159473582 P * rohan 1159473639 M * hardwire hmm.. it appears the part of zope responsible for file storage is failing 1159473672 A * h01ger waves at gdm 1159473761 M * Bertl hardwire: no idead about zope, but maybe it is trying to store large files in /tmp ? 1159473775 M * hardwire why would that be an issue.. just so I know 1159473790 M * hardwire ah 1159473791 M * hardwire 16m limit 1159473792 M * Bertl we mount an tmpfs of 16MB on /tmp 1159473795 M * hardwire thats where I stored booger 1159473798 M * hardwire the strace dump file 1159473815 M * meandtheshell hardwire: you're running your zope installation within a guest - interessting /me planned to do that too ... 1159473839 M * hardwire well it worked once 1159473842 M * hardwire with sarge 1159473844 M * Bertl IIRC, some folks are already doing that 1159473847 M * Borg- hardwire: umount it :) and remove from fstab 1159473850 M * hardwire it works on a host with etch 1159473857 M * hardwire it works not very much in an etch vserver 1159473870 M * meandtheshell hardwire: hm ... 1159473877 M * hardwire hm.. indeed.. 1159473901 M * meandtheshell but within a sarge guest it worked? 1159473906 M * hardwire yup 1159473910 M * meandtheshell I see 1159473916 M * hardwire but like.. sarge is the new oldstable here in a few months 1159473955 M * hardwire I get a really neat error accessing the zope web interface 1159473967 M * Bertl aren't there any logs with zope? 1159473985 M * hardwire http://pastebin.ca/185261 1159473987 M * hardwire Bertl: yup 1159473993 M * hardwire and the part of zope that writes them is broken 1159474002 M * hardwire somehow 1159474004 M * hardwire under this vserver 1159474011 M * hardwire otherwise I would be happily debugging 1159474037 M * Bertl does the mentioned file exist and is reachable as the zope user? 1159474060 M * hardwire hell yes 1159474085 M * Bertl did you verify that? 1159474103 M * hardwire -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4054 2006-07-19 21:31 /usr/lib/zope2.9/lib/python/App/dtml/zope_quick_start.dtml 1159474121 M * Bertl as whatever user zope is running as? 1159474127 M * hardwire so I just did strace -o /tmp/booger -f /etc/init.d/zope2.9 start 1159474132 M * hardwire and it kinda slowly died 1159474135 M * hardwire just like it always does 1159474140 M * hardwire who wants a 5 million meg file 1159474172 M * Bertl 5 million meg file, impressive :) 1159474222 M * Bertl maybe zope chroots somewhere? 1159474253 M * hardwire it may 1159474267 M * Bertl then maybe the path is wrong after that? 1159474273 M * hardwire it doesn't 1159474293 M * hardwire otherwise there would be a chroot call in the strace right 1159474321 M * hardwire nope 1159474332 M * Bertl this can be assumed, do you see the failing open/stat? 1159474346 M * hardwire chroot("/") 1159474348 M * hardwire yup 1159474350 M * hardwire there will be. 1159474353 M * hardwire thats from strace chroot 1159474395 M * hardwire and I cannot find the open for that file 1159474404 M * hardwire but I didn't try to access it either 1159474409 M * hardwire brb 1159474602 M * hardwire no chroots 1159474622 M * hardwire no opens to that file 1159474644 M * hardwire I assume its attempting to call a generic call to open a file.. which it can't because the other thread died 1159474653 M * hardwire that thread is responsible for file io 1159474685 M * Bertl hmm, are you using guest limits? 1159474742 M * hardwire I assumed the vserver.start script was 1159474750 M * hardwire whats an exampel of a guest limit? 1159474763 M * Bertl start script? 1159474788 M * hardwire /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver.start 1159474790 M * Bertl no, what I meant was stuff in /proc/virtual//limits 1159474830 M * hardwire PROC: 4 13 -1 0 1159474830 M * hardwire VM: 1943 14936 -1 0 1159474830 M * hardwire VML: 0 0 -1 0 1159474830 M * hardwire RSS: 593 4288 -1 0 1159474830 M * hardwire ANON: 152 949 -1 0 1159474831 M * hardwire FILES: 50 135 -1 0 1159474832 M * hardwire OFD: 31 41 -1 0 1159474834 M * hardwire LOCKS: 1 6 -1 0 1159474836 M * hardwire SOCK: 1 2 -1 0 1159474838 M * hardwire MSGQ: 0 0 -1 0 1159474839 M * doener argh! 1159474840 M * hardwire SHM: 0 0 -1 0 1159474842 M * hardwire ooh shit 1159474851 M * Bertl so no limits there :) 1159474855 M * hardwire shoulda pastebin'd sorry 1159474861 M * doener we have a pastebin ;) http://paste.linux-vserver.org 1159474892 M * Bertl hardwire: np, so no idea _why_ your zope threads die 1159474913 M * Bertl hardwire: try with strace -fF if not done so already 1159474939 M * hardwire vforks eh 1159474940 M * doener you can also use -ffF to get one file per process 1159474951 M * hardwire ohnice 1159474953 M * doener (if you use it with -o) 1159474994 M * hardwire indeed 1159474997 M * hardwire doener: are you married 1159474999 M * hardwire cause I love you 1159475038 M * doener uhm... At the moment I'm married to a flu 1159475066 M * hardwire 18 threads 1159475294 M * hardwire jsut reverified that it works 100% on an etch host. 1159475372 M * Bertl could you try (after disabling the guest) with a chroot() into the guest filesystem? 1159475431 M * hardwire sure 1159475553 M * hardwire doesn't do shit 1159475559 M * hardwire it won't even pull up the error 1159475592 M * hardwire ok 1159475595 M * hardwire time to use vserver bui;d 1159475597 M * hardwire build 1159475604 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de 1159476142 M * Bertl wb transacid! 1159476169 M * hardwire its turkey chili day for my tummy 1159476338 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1159476417 A * hardwire wiggles his magic fingers 1159476635 J * xdarw ~XircUser@host167-84-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it 1159476677 M * Bertl welcome xdarw! 1159476700 Q * stefani Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159476715 M * hardwire Bertl: crapola 1159476731 M * hardwire vserver build of a debian etch system failed as well 1159476748 M * hardwire same error.. different build technique 1159476790 M * hardwire I am going to try it on a different vserver host 1159476796 M * hardwire vserver-copy away 1159476821 M * Bertl the build failed? with what error? 1159476840 M * hardwire no the build was 100% 1159476844 M * hardwire and then some 1159476875 M * hardwire but zope was still restarting a thread several times before failing completely 1159476885 Q * derjohn Remote host closed the connection 1159476893 M * hardwire brb 1159476895 Q * hardwire Quit: Ex-Chat 1159476963 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159477516 J * hardwire ~sspencer@209.112.165.133 1159477524 M * hardwire wb me! 1159477537 M * Bertl wb hardwire! 1159477617 M * hardwire well 1159477618 M * hardwire wtf 1159477633 M * hardwire I moved it to another install of edgy and its working fine 1159477659 M * hardwire I mean.. I had it on one server.. then moved it to another and started it up.. and its fine 1159477666 M * hardwire confuse of doom 1159477686 M * hardwire both were identically installed systems except one has desktop environment packages on it 1159477692 M * hardwire which shouldn' 1159477697 M * hardwire t effect the vserver 1159477728 M * hardwire wtf 1159477736 M * hardwire now it doesn't even show zope as running but its responding 1159477786 M * hardwire oh 1159477788 M * hardwire I am an idiot 1159477793 M * hardwire I am running zope on that servers host 1159477795 M * hardwire shoot me 1159477800 M * Bertl *peng* 1159477809 M * Bertl :) 1159477819 M * hardwire I really deserved that 1159477837 Q * r_marvin Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ 1159477839 M * Bertl so what did the strace -ffF give? 1159477840 M * harry you even deserve a mass gangrape! :) 1159477859 M * hardwire oh sweet mother of god 1159477869 M * harry not by her, no :) 1159477869 M * hardwire I stoped zope on the host.. and now its working on the vserver as well 1159477880 M * hardwire it even has log files 1159477882 M * hardwire why ! 1159477884 M * hardwire WHY! 1159477888 M * Bertl so your host's zope is not limited to host IPs 1159477890 M * hardwire what did I ever do to deserve this! 1159477904 M * harry hardwire: be born? 1159477908 M * hardwire no my host zope was just a 30 minute test 1159477924 M * hardwire to see if zope and edgy were working and it wasn't a package issue for the day 1159477924 A * harry shuts up 1159477928 M * hardwire harry: its true 1159477930 M * hardwire life is so cruel 1159477979 M * hardwire brb.. 1159477994 M * harry Bertl: you there? 1159478012 M * harry is linux-mm.org a good place to start learning about the internals of linux memory managemant and vmm ? 1159478031 M * harry i think so, but you may have "better" places ;) 1159478149 M * Bertl yeah, it's a good start 1159478183 M * hardwire Bertl: I rebooted 1159478185 M * hardwire its working 1159478188 A * hardwire hangs head 1159478241 M * hardwire that seems a wee bit strange to me 1159478261 M * meandtheshell hardwire: rebooted what - host or guest? 1159478268 M * hardwire the troubled host 1159478271 M * meandtheshell ok 1159478274 Q * xdarw Quit: Xirc - MacOSX 1159478282 M * hardwire after moving it to the other host and testing things I just assumed that the original host was having special issues 1159478293 M * hardwire no idea how special at this moment.. we will keep you posted so stay tuned.. 1159478489 M * matti :) 1159478531 M * doener hardwire: hm, edgy or etch? 1159478545 M * hardwire etch 1159478555 M * hardwire I have edgy on the way soon.. 1159478559 M * doener ok 1159478580 M * hardwire I was using a dapper desktop for a bit at this new job 1159478593 M * hardwire then I got the etch itch.. and as of a few days ago thats my new desktop :) 1159478601 M * hardwire I gotta say I dig it.. its nice to be back to debian 1159478612 M * hardwire but.. alas.. I will install edgy eft soon and be right back into ubuntu 1159478619 M * hardwire its a real vicious circle 1159478669 M * doener I couldn't use Ubuntu without universe anyway, so I stay on debian... 1159478684 M * hardwire I use universe like crazy 1159478692 M * hardwire meh 1159478721 M * hardwire I am populating sarge/sid/etch feeds atm to transfer over to a local ISP 1159478733 M * doener universe gets no support, no security updates... 1159478743 M * hardwire Anchorage Alaska is kinda stuck with crappy feeds 1159479039 M * hardwire I am dangerously low on peanut butter crackers 1159479122 M * Bertl no secret stash? 1159479149 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1159479158 M * Bertl wb gerrit! 1159479371 M * hardwire Bertl: it was my secret stash 1159479393 M * Bertl ohw, very bad ... 1159479720 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1159479753 M * Bertl wb stefani! 1159479764 M * stefani Bertl: well sorta. 1159479770 M * stefani system crashed bad. 1159479785 M * Bertl hardware? 1159479831 M * stefani was compiling a library called "midas" 1159479873 M * stefani from Triumf/PSI it is one of those nuclear physics control-system libraries. 1159479907 M * Bertl sounds good 1159479921 M * doener I'm not sure about that... crash + nuclear ;) 1159479939 M * stefani some apps not starting 1159479956 M * Bertl disk failure? 1159479982 M * stefani hope not. 1159480014 M * Bertl well, last time some apps were not starting the /usr filesystem was gone :) 1159480050 M * Bertl (which leaves you with whatever is cached :) 1159480064 M * hardwire what a totally odd issue I had this morning eh 1159480147 M * stefani mozilla-tb is not starting. claims it is already running, but is not. no lockfile present. 1159480167 M * stefani wants me to reboot, but have done that > 5x 1159480194 J * dreamind ~dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de 1159480198 M * daniel_hozac stefani: are you sure about the lockfile? 1159480207 M * Bertl ah, so it's X apps, maybe gnome/kde? 1159480229 M * stefani the "lock" in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/blahblah 1159480250 M * stefani same for firefox. only mozilla apps 1159480253 M * Bertl stefani: double check filesystems, if they reached full status 1159480272 M * Bertl and try as a different user if possible 1159480296 M * Bertl (sometimes those apps manage to mess up their config, especially when a filesystem is full) 1159480316 M * stefani exists space. not full. 1159480331 M * dreamind Hi folks 1159480333 M * dreamind :) 1159480342 Q * hardwire Quit: Ex-Chat 1159480405 M * dreamind hm, I dunno where to ask but maybe somebody here can help me... 1159480425 M * dreamind does anybody know if there exists a server for webdav which behaves simliar to an ftp server? 1159480465 M * dreamind which means, some users (which are allowed to) can write to their homes through webdav (with ssl) - and do that not as user www-data 1159480476 M * stefani ah. file .parentlock 1159480879 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-127.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1159480980 M * doener dreamind: if you use apache and compile it with -DBIG_HACKER_HOLE (or sth. like that, it's been some time since I read about it) 1159481000 M * doener needs some mods as well IIRC 1159481025 M * doener maybe there's some other way, but I know none 1159481036 M * dreamind doener: I didn't want to use apache for this. 1159481052 M * dreamind I know there is some priviledge separation patch for at least apache 1.3 1159481060 M * dreamind but I doubt this code is useable. 1159481089 M * brc_ /quit 1159481090 Q * brc_ Quit: [BX] Tony the Tiger uses BitchX. Its Grrrrrrrrreat! 1159481108 J * brc_ ~bruce@201.19.169.9 1159481194 Q * meandtheshell Quit: exit (0); 1159482182 Q * stefani Remote host closed the connection 1159482214 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1159482807 J * _node ~node@c-69-143-148-254.hsd1.md.comcast.net 1159483066 M * dreamind nite .) 1159483074 Q * dreamind Quit: dreamind 1159483186 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81 1159483992 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159484264 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1159484296 A * gdm waves at h01ger 1159484307 M * gdm sorry, was having friends for dinner 1159484312 M * gdm they were tasty ;-) 1159485439 M * doener that gives "don't play with your food" a whole new dimension 1159485510 M * gdm hahah, if only you knew... 1159486281 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1159487638 J * dna___ ~naucki@p54BCD350.dip.t-dialin.net