1159228929 J * mire ~mire@97-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net
1159231087 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
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1159234428 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
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1159235483 J * brc_ ~bruce@200.97.68.21
1159235524 M * Zaki anyone awake?
1159235543 M * Zaki if i set prefix of the tools to /usr/local is this ok?
1159235554 M * Zaki ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-vrootdir=/vservers
1159235557 M * Zaki oops
1159235565 M * Zaki that's the suggest by the how-to
1159235573 M * Zaki what if i make it --prefix=/usr/local ?
1159235984 M * cehteh depends on your setup .. you need to be sure that installs the startscripts in /etc (likely) and that /usr/local is mounted when the tools are needed at boot .. prolly likely too, just depends on your setup
1159236822 Q * ensc Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ensc_))
1159236831 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4F311.dip.t-dialin.net
1159237922 Q * Zaki Remote host closed the connection
1159240927 J * kamper ~sitcom@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1159240929 M * kamper x𒍅񥐴񖞅񦍥񸥅񧕨)
1159241712 Q * kamper Quit: Leaving
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1159245623 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
1159247193 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A07ED2.dip.t-dialin.net
1159247199 M * coocoon morning
1159247223 M * daniel_hozac morning
1159248510 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1159248519 M * Bertl morning?! folks!
1159248529 M * coocoon morning bretl
1159248534 M * coocoon bertl
1159248539 M * Bertl hey coocoon!
1159248560 M * coocoon Bertl: have u seen have tried to make a vcd how to ;-)
1159248562 M * coocoon http://linux-vserver.org/VServer_Control_Daemon_HowTo
1159248582 M * Bertl nope, not yet ...
1159248594 M * Bertl btw, did you get around testing the 2.6.18 stuff on sparc?
1159248621 M * coocoon for installation and creating a guest, starting vserver fails at this moment dunno why 
1159248628 M * coocoon no but i can start it
1159248630 M * coocoon mom
1159248649 M * Bertl would be interesting, 2.6.18 changed quite a lot
1159248666 M * coocoon ok will start 
1159249159 Q * mnemoc oxygen.oftc.net strange.oftc.net
1159249159 Q * litage oxygen.oftc.net strange.oftc.net
1159249159 Q * nebuchadnezzar oxygen.oftc.net strange.oftc.net
1159249246 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1159249246 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de
1159249246 J * litage ~nick@203.220.55.70
1159249577 M * coocoon Bertl: for what stands t8
1159249674 M * Bertl test-8
1159249686 M * Bertl or try-8 :)
1159249690 M * coocoon ah ok i will use t1 from experimental
1159249705 M * Bertl yep, that would be interesting
1159249787 M * cehteh when i copy a filesystem from reiser to xfs then the link-immutable attributes get lost or?
1159249814 M * Bertl very likely, but it actually depends on the tool used to copy it
1159249844 M * cehteh (well yes) .. but the question is, how can i reconstruct them would hashify be enough .. do i have to clear out the cache before that?
1159249848 M * cehteh using rsync
1159249874 M * cehteh rsync with the -H option .. preserving hardlinks
1159249976 M * Bertl the safest way would be to rsync one by one and hashify that with the existing pool
1159250015 M * Bertl but probably ensc or daniel_hozac knows more about the hashification process
1159250072 M * ray6 Bertl in the morning?!? *checking my ntp*, is this true?!?
1159250085 M * Bertl ray6: trust me, it was an accident :)
1159250110 M * ray6 Bertl: you wanted the alarm clock at 19:00 and forgot the PM?
1159250281 M * Bertl yeah, something like that ...
1159250707 M * coocoon bertl:something went wrong with testing patch, because of i think it will not patch stable on is working fine here
1159250749 M * coocoon Bertl: with patch-2.6.18-vs2.1.1-rc35-t1.diff there is no output which files should be patched
1159250809 M * Bertl hmm?
1159251075 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159251317 M * coocoon -should +will
1159251814 M * Bertl are you sure you downloaded the diff completely? it's about 900k
1159251829 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-36-90.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1159251892 M * coocoon Bertl: u r right sorry
1159251900 M * Bertl np
1159252112 Q * derjohn2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159252145 J * derjohn2 ~aj@dslb-084-058-215-032.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159252159 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159252296 Q * eyck Remote host closed the connection
1159252300 J * eyck eyck@ghost.anime.pl
1159253126 M * coocoon Bertl: which test is much more interesting for u stable or experimental, i am asking because of i am compiling at this moment the stable patched kernel, but it takes longer u know, so if experimental is more intersting to know i will stop and start the other patched kernel
1159253305 M * Bertl both are interesting, so no need to change anything
1159253318 M * coocoon ok
1159253659 J * dna_ ~naucki@239-227-dsl.kielnet.net
1159254821 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81
1159255236 J * cdrx ~legoater@242.32.96-84.rev.gaoland.net
1159255316 M * Bertl welcome dna_! _are_! cdrx!
1159255323 M * dna_ moin
1159255508 M * cdrx hello bertl
1159255560 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
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1159255982 M * cdrx bertl, i like your map on the wiki. how did you guys do that ? 
1159255988 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1159256035 M * Bertl cdrx: the google map?
1159256063 M * cdrx yep
1159256074 M * Bertl it's a plugin
1159256118 A * cdrx looking at the source
1159256262 M * Bertl cdrx: if you need details, please contact Hollow 
1159256305 M * cdrx ok thanks,
1159256956 M * matti :)
1159257068 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159257359 J * prae ~Benjamin@5-63.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr
1159257754 M * Bertl welcome prae!
1159257770 M * matti Eh.
1159257872 M * prae hi Bertl 
1159257878 M * prae hi matti 
1159258397 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159258433 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-164.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1159258739 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159258741 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.Atlantica.US
1159258765 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-17-70.dclient.hispeed.ch
1159258946 M * coocoon Bertl: have it Linux freya 2.6.18-vs2.0.2.1-t8 #2 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 26 10:03:19 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux, but testme.sh failled http://paste.linux-vserver.org/408
1159258960 M * Bertl ah, checking, sec
1159258979 M * coocoon Bertl: look also at sudo vserver-stat
1159259031 M * Bertl hmm, seems like 'vserver' was not found by the testme.sh?
1159259059 M * Bertl try to run the testme.sh as root ...
1159259112 M * coocoon Bertl: works fine ;-) http://paste.linux-vserver.org/409
1159259134 M * Bertl yeah, that's more like :)
1159259139 M * Bertl *like it
1159259161 J * Borg- ~borg@217.97.139.162
1159259198 M * coocoon Bertl: u need more tests for this kernel, with testfs, or shall i start the other kernel
1159259389 M * Bertl testfs would be fine, if you have it ready (i.e. a test disk/loop)
1159259443 M * coocoon Bertl: yes have one volume for testing, but sorry bertl need some infos for doing this it takes too long time after i have done it the last time
1159259465 M * Bertl you need a mountpoint, e.g. /test
1159259487 M * Bertl and a partition or loopback, then you do
1159259549 M * Bertl testfs.sh -D /dev/some -M /test -tx
1159259563 M * Bertl where /dev/some is the device/partition/loop
1159259581 M * Bertl be careful, as the /dev/some will be formated several times
1159259729 N * phedny_ phedny
1159259973 M * coocoon Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/410 file system entries http://paste.linux-vserver.org/411
1159260006 M * coocoon Bertl: have formatted /dev/sde with xfs
1159260055 M * Bertl for some reason the userspace tools are missing
1159260090 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-220-246.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159260091 M * Bertl check with bash  testfs.sh -D /dev/sde -M /test -vvx 
1159260163 M * coocoon Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/412
1159260412 M * Bertl well, it is mounted :) try to unmount it first :)
1159260418 M * coocoon ok
1159260423 J * mire ~mire@97-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net
1159260744 M * coocoon Bertl: have made both tests looks fine ;-) i think so http://paste.linux-vserver.org/413
1159260786 M * Bertl yep, excellent! looks good! thanks a lot!
1159260805 M * coocoon Bertl: ok the other kernel is compiling at this moment
1159262165 M * ay_ Does vserver have a *all* function to exec?
1159262172 M * ay_ So you can run apt-get on all servers?
1159262193 M * Bertl IIRC, you can do that with some v* wrappers
1159262225 M * ay_ yes. It's easy with a "for i in vserver stat | awk...." But I was just wondering if it was anything inbuilt.
1159262272 M * Bertl vapt-get --help
1159262272 M * Bertl Usage: /usr/sbin/vapt-get <vserver-name>* [--all] -- <params>+
1159263103 M * matti Bertl: :)
1159263111 M * matti Hi prae :)
1159264078 M * ay_ Anyone got fedora core 5 vserver images?
1159264110 M * coocoon ay_: look at lylix.net
1159264159 M * coocoon ay_: or here http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Downloads#Guest images
1159264212 M * coocoon Bertl: good work everything works fine i think so http://paste.linux-vserver.org/414
1159264292 J * itsme ~itsme@cpe-66-8-253-53.hawaii.res.rr.com
1159264300 M * Bertl coocoon: yep! thank _you_ for testing!
1159264308 M * coocoon Bertl: np
1159264312 M * Bertl welcome itsme!
1159264360 M * coocoon Bertl: do u know when hollow will be back/ on
1159264401 M * Bertl he said something about a few weeks, but he will show up every now and then and read email, IIRC
1159264426 M * matti Eh.
1159264459 P * litage Leaving
1159264526 M * coocoon Bertl: ah ok so i can reach him with email, heh good to know
1159264534 M * coocoon Bertl: thanx for infomation
1159264983 J * bad_flash ~evg@89.105.144.9
1159265285 M * bad_flash http://magegame.ru/?rf=5375706572446f67 it is COOL !!! =)
1159265397 M * bad_flash http://magegame.ru/?rf=5375706572446f67
1159265399 Q * bad_flash Quit: pIRC v2.0 < Personal IRC Team > http://xirc.ru/
1159265405 Q * itsme Quit: Leaving
1159266058 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back in the evening ...
1159266065 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1159267239 Q * mire Quit: Leaving
1159267967 J * mire ~mire@227-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.Verat.NET
1159271564 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving
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1159272192 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-17-70.dclient.hispeed.ch
1159273386 M * Borg- hmm
1159273396 M * Borg- what was the option for vserver to debug?
1159273410 M * Borg- because vserver test1 start fails
1159273591 M * harry fail with what message?
1159273648 M * Borg- http://paste.linux-vserver.org/415
1159273649 M * mnemoc http://paste.linux-vserver.org/ please :)
1159273653 M * mnemoc :)
1159274915 M * Borg- wtf
1159274931 M * Borg- http://paste.linux-vserver.org/416
1159274950 M * Borg- this one fails... why its sooooooo huge? I dont like it... its look bad.. like it is broken
1159274971 M * Borg- looks like it got concatenated from serveral different commands
1159274979 M * Borg- any clues?
1159275394 M * Borg- GUUYS... WHY the fuck you dont prefix commands outputs at all?
1159275574 M * sid3windr it's not likely you'll get much help by swearing
1159275614 M * Borg- yeah... seems I'll have to RTFS then.. 
1159276222 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159278338 M * Borg- okey..
1159278354 M * Borg- I fixed a bit util-vserver sources to display CMD prefix in errors
1159278355 M * Borg- [root@titanium] vserver test1 start
1159278355 M * Borg- vcontect: No command given; use '--help' for more information.
1159278367 M * Borg- vcontext of course it is :)
1159278378 M * Borg- damn typo.. this done in hurry
1159278432 M * Borg- not good.. vcontext is the one of early commands in chain.
1159278553 M * harry whaaaa... 
1159278560 M * harry is Enable Legacy Kernel API really necessary???
1159278571 M * harry i disabled it, and now:  15:48:52 up 8 min,  2 users,  load average: 108.44, 79.27, 37.51
1159278577 M * harry look @ that load
1159278681 M * harry bloody hell... machine totally dead! :(
1159278809 J * Ben81 ~Ben81@tipi0e.lri.fr
1159278821 M * sid3windr oops.
1159278866 M * harry  15:54:21 up 13 min,  3 users,  load average: 115.43, 102.25, 60.11
1159278869 M * harry still going up
1159278874 M * harry and it won't even reboot :(
1159278897 M * harry off to the computer room then... :S
1159279132 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1159279237 M * daniel_hozac harry: i doubt that is in any way related.
1159279251 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: well, that error message is pretty descript.
1159279265 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: it doesn't find anything to execute to start the guest for your selected initstyle.
1159279274 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: so you'll probably have to use plain.
1159279335 M * Borg- hmm straaaange :) look at this
1159279345 M * Borg- /usr/local/sbin/chbind --silent --ip 192.168.65.129/24 -- /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/exec-ulimit /etc/vservers/test1/ulimits /usr/local/sbin/vcontext --create --silent -- /bin/bash
1159279366 M * Borg- I run this command.. and vcontext switching works.. im at different context :) (at leaast ps axc says so ;)
1159279386 M * daniel_hozac so?
1159279408 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: nothing.. just trying to figure out whats wrong..
1159279416 M * daniel_hozac i just told you...
1159279423 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: thx! :) lets try..
1159279521 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: you really should specify an xid for that guest too.
1159279535 M * daniel_hozac dynamic xids are deprecated an will be removed soon.
1159279639 J * click click@ti511110a080-6047.bb.online.no
1159279822 Q * Ben81 Quit: Leaving
1159280696 M * _are_ how can I get a new IP inside a vserver without restarting it?
1159280800 J * soatola ~soatola42@82.153.18.114
1159280824 Q * soatola 
1159281440 M * Borg- derjohn2: thank you very much :)
1159281442 M * Borg- ups
1159281455 M * Borg- daniel_hozac: thank you very much :) finaly sth works
1159281844 M * daniel_hozac _are_: does the guest have one IP address currently? if so, there is no way to add another address without restarting your services.
1159281938 M * daniel_hozac _are_: if not, you should be able to use chbind6 (will need a devel+ipv6 patched kernel to build it though), or vcmd.
1159281993 M * daniel_hozac Borg-: np.
1159282074 M * harry daniel_hozac: i sould be able to disable that option, right?
1159282127 M * daniel_hozac harry: yep, the only thing that should fail is guest initiated reboots, i.e. reboot -f won't restart it.
1159282149 M * harry and networking ?
1159282156 M * harry disable that too? or not yet?
1159282174 M * daniel_hozac legacy networking isn't used as of util-vserver 0.30.210.
1159282186 M * daniel_hozac (the reboots can be fixed by using 0.30.211-rc2)
1159282215 M * harry i'm running 0.30.210 everywhere
1159282221 M * harry so i can safely remove that one ? :)
1159282227 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1159282231 M * harry wiiii
1159282271 M * harry Remap Source IP Address (NEW) ==> is that a feature i would want?
1159282344 M * daniel_hozac i don't know, is it?
1159282373 M * harry not really sure what the alternative is :)
1159282382 M * harry having NO loopback, or having a not-working loopback ?
1159282391 M * daniel_hozac neither.
1159282411 M * harry then what's the use of it? :)
1159282413 M * daniel_hozac packets will just look like they're from the guest's first IP address.
1159282421 M * daniel_hozac (with that option turned off)
1159282436 M * daniel_hozac if it's turned on, they'll look like they're from 127.0.0.1
1159282440 M * daniel_hozac (IIRC)
1159282456 M * harry so how will you get communication if packets seemingly come from 127.0.0.1 ?
1159282484 M * daniel_hozac this just applies to packets destined for 127.0.0.1, obviously.
1159282495 M * harry no decent router will ever pass those packets... so if you're right, that would mean you can't do any outside-host networking
1159282505 M * harry ah...
1159282525 M * harry so basicly: it enables a loopback interface on the hosts
1159282539 M * harry if i turn it off, it's also loopback, but over physical interface?
1159282548 M * harry so what would be the reason NOT to turn it on?
1159282634 M * harry hmm.. general silence :S
1159282855 M * harry Daniel Hokka Zakrisson dude!!!!!!! :)
1159282904 M * harry damn
1159282955 M * harry daniel_hozac: where are you all of a sudden?
1159283079 J * Zaki ~newcentos@212.118.109.243
1159283081 M * Zaki hi
1159283091 M * harry heya
1159283099 M * Zaki hi harry 
1159283157 M * Zaki "C. Adding CentOS 4 Support into the tools" 
1159283163 M * Zaki what does this step mean?
1159283181 M * harry dunno
1159283198 M * Zaki it's from this how to: http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1159283202 M * harry daniel_hozac suddenly left, just when i was about to ask for a conclusion :)
1159283212 M * harry oldwiki? why would you want to use the old wiki?
1159283212 M * Zaki :)
1159283230 M * Zaki is there documentation in the new wiki?
1159283244 M * harry i think so
1159283331 M * Zaki see by yourself
1159283455 Q * gerrit_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159283805 Q * weasel Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159283875 J * weasel weasel@asteria.debian.or.at
1159284642 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1159284680 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-220-246.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159285098 M * Zaki how to "build my first vserver" but without downloading anything?
1159285114 M * Zaki just by using the Host OS
1159285177 M * harry build a vserver with skeleton option
1159285186 M * harry copy your entire system to your vserver hostdir
1159285191 M * Zaki man vserver-build ?
1159285196 M * harry clean out startup scripts, and start your host
1159285198 M * harry now
1159285202 M * harry s/now/no/
1159285215 M * harry vserver x build --help or so ?
1159285243 M * coocoon Zaki: if u tar all folders without dev proc, then do a vserver foo build -m skeleton and then untar the created tar archive to /vservers/foo folder
1159285251 M * Zaki oh
1159285282 M * harry     copy        ...  the copy-all-from-host method which uses the recent
1159285283 M * harry                      configuration scheme
1159285642 M * Zaki thanks although i didn't understand yet
1159285659 M * Zaki i'll be back later and read and try to understand
1159285660 M * Zaki bye
1159286054 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1159286073 M * Bertl short visit
1159286201 M * Borg- arfghgh :///
1159286211 M * Borg- I was able to start vserver once.. now I cannot..
1159286247 M * Borg- [root@titanium] vserver test1 start
1159286247 M * Borg- vcontect: execvp("/etc/rc.d/rc"): No such file or directory
1159286258 M * Borg- okey.. I understand why it bother I think..
1159286278 M * Borg- the /etc/rc.d/rc is #!/bin/sh file.. so it cannot be started via execvp I guess.. right?
1159286297 M * phreak`` Bertl: harry: heya you people :)
1159286304 M * harry hellow
1159286309 M * Bertl hey phreak``! what's up?
1159286328 M * phreak`` Bertl: not much :) reading something about SELinux
1159286340 M * harry Bertl: i enabled Remap Source IP Address..
1159286348 M * harry what do i have to do to make it work?
1159286355 M * phreak`` Bertl: by the way I bumped Gentoo's vserver-sources to 2.0.2-r8 (thats 2.0.2.1-try8)
1159286360 M * harry or... what's the advantage/disadvantage in enabling that?
1159286725 M * Borg- okey.. going home.. cu
1159286727 Q * Borg- Quit: leaving
1159286731 Q * prae Quit: Quitte
1159286770 Q * brc_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159286895 M * Bertl harry: nothing, it just works ...
1159286919 M * Bertl and as the name says, it remaps the source ip addresses for localhost (127.0.0.1) ip
1159287043 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.36.111
1159287049 M * Bertl welcome bonbons!
1159287068 M * bonbons Hey Bertl!
1159287080 M * Bertl bonbons: what's your plans for the next month?
1159287113 M * bonbons try to get some work done on my range-patch at week-ends when possible
1159287132 M * bonbons during wee time is simply too rare... very much to do at work
1159287141 M * bonbons s/wee/week/
1159287159 M * Bertl ah, sounds good, I plan to start integrating your work early/mid next month
1159287164 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
1159287185 M * Bertl bonbons: i.e. would we great if we could have a regular chat on the weekends or so ...
1159287201 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159287206 M * bonbons that should be relatively easy
1159287239 M * bonbons next saturday I won't be available at afternoon/evening, but for the rest I should at least be passively online
1159287251 M * Bertl cleanup of 2.1.x is planned for this week, so no problem there
1159287329 M * bonbons ok, if you want to take a look at the patch-part I already have regarding ip address range/nets for guest I can provided, but it's really work in progress!
1159287472 M * Bertl I'm always interested in work in progress :)
1159287483 J * rob_ ~rob@Q734f.q.strato-dslnet.de
1159287547 M * bonbons ok :)
1159287740 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159287795 M * bonbons let's see if I can get the diff using this box... lots of RAM is really useful for development and diffs on bigger trees!
1159288063 M * Zaki Bertl, hi how are you?
1159288103 M * Bertl fine, fine, and you?
1159288123 M * Zaki until now i don't know how to create my first vserver using the existing host server wthout need to download big files again
1159288152 M * Zaki Bertl, fine too since the first steps has succeeded without problems :)
1159288164 M * Bertl vserver - build --help
1159288170 M * Zaki i have reached: buliding your first vserver
1159288173 M * Zaki ok
1159288187 M * Bertl check the 'possible methods'
1159288203 M * Bertl basically you have a bunch of options to get there
1159288218 M * Bertl besides the 'copy' method, you could do the following:
1159288226 M * Bertl - create a directory for your new guest
1159288239 M * Bertl - copy everything you want there (with e.g. dump/restore)
1159288250 M * Bertl - create a skeleton config
1159288279 M * Bertl - replace the /dev dir of your 'copy' with the skeleton one
1159288285 M * Bertl - exchange the two directories
1159288331 M * Bertl you will have to cleanup the 'new' guest somewhat to avoid having a bunch of error messages everytime the guest starts or shuts down (i.e. remove hardware configurations and such)
1159288359 M * Zaki so the easiest is to use the 'copy' method?
1159288361 M * Bertl another option would be to build the guest from a list of existing rpms (locally)
1159288378 M * Bertl yes, usually I'd expect that to be the simplest
1159288402 M * Zaki i am more interested in saving diskspace now
1159288432 M * Bertl a guest can be reduced to a few megabytes of data
1159288445 M * Bertl and guests can be unified/hashified on a shared partition
1159288454 M * phreak`` just like Bertl demonstrated :)
1159288464 M * phreak`` what was it ? 4M ?
1159288471 M * Bertl (note: for security reasons, it's not suggested to unify/hashify a guest with the host system)
1159288496 M * Bertl phreak``: yeah, well, that might be a little extreme, but yes, it's possible
1159288526 M * Bertl typical distros (in server setup) when cleaned up, will consume about 80-300 MB
1159288554 M * Bertl (excluding user data of course)
1159288560 M * Zaki Bertl, ok it's my first vserver while i'm learning, so i'm gong to try copy
1159288591 M * Zaki Bertl, vserver-build -m copy -n test1 <-- is this enough?
1159288617 M * Bertl nope, use the vserver too
1159288619 M * Bertl *tool
1159288621 M * Zaki well disk storage is cheap now anyway :)
1159288635 M * Bertl i.e. 'vserver test1 build -m copy ....
1159288649 M * Bertl and add things like --interface and --context !!
1159288667 M * Bertl i.e. you want to use a fixed context id (between 2 and 49151)
1159288669 M * Zaki ok
1159288676 M * Bertl and you probably want to have an ip too
1159288682 M * coocoon Zaki: http://mirrors.sandino.net/vserver/images/ for a guest 25 MB is not so much for download isn't it ;-)
1159288685 M * Bertl check the wiki page for examples
1159288734 M * Bertl http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1159288740 M * doener morning!
1159288751 M * Bertl and a good one 2u2!
1159288764 M * Bertl eh, I mean, 1.2u2 :)
1159288773 M * Zaki coocoon, nice :)
1159288783 M * doener :)
1159288837 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81
1159288879 J * pisc1 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159288892 M * Bertl wb _are_! welcome pisc1!
1159288970 M * Zaki [root@linux src]# vserver test1 build -m copy
1159288970 M * Zaki /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build: line 130: /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build.copy: No such file or directory
1159289069 M * Zaki i'm confused
1159289125 M * Zaki isn't it like this:  vserver [ options ] [vserver name] [options] ?
1159289146 Q * Skram Remote host closed the connection
1159289185 M * phreak`` Bertl: got a second ? got a rough time when readonly bind-mounts where introduced to vserver/bundled with the patch ?
1159289249 M * phreak`` ok, bundled with vserver since 2.0.2 and available as seperate patch since <=2.0.1
1159289431 M * Zaki Bertl, why i don't have that file?!
1159289467 J * Skram ~Mark@hermes.sentiensystems.com
1159289475 M * Zaki i have installed version 0.30.210 of util-vserver
1159289492 M * Zaki and testme.sh worked successfully
1159289537 M * _are_ daniel_hozac: thanks, yes, the vserver has 1 IP aleady, so bad luck for me. However, in the meantime, I have a serious hardware problem on that very box, so a reboot is no longer the problem.
1159289590 M * Bertl Zaki: get the .211-rc2 from daniel_hozac, it probably includes that
1159289610 M * Bertl phreak``: yep
1159289694 M * Bertl Zaki: it is not the build option folks usually use (as it seems) but it is supposed to work nevertheless, so if that fails with that version, I'd file a bug report
1159289745 M * phreak`` !rdep vserver-sources
1159289755 M * phreak`` bah :)
1159289784 N * Belu_zZz Belu
1159289957 M * daniel_hozac harry: sorry, fell asleep.
1159290149 M * daniel_hozac Zaki: -m copy is not supported anymore.
1159290169 M * daniel_hozac (hasn't been for a really long time, AFAICS)
1159290259 M * Bertl hmm, so we should remove it from the options/help then?
1159290276 M * daniel_hozac yes, indeed.
1159290281 M * Bertl but IMHO it should be trivial with a cp or tar/rsync, no?
1159290306 M * Bertl all the 'setup configuration' stuff would not change
1159290318 M * daniel_hozac right, but you already have skeleton for that ;)
1159290346 M * Bertl yeah, but it misses the copy/replace/swap dirs part :)
1159290365 M * daniel_hozac meaning /dev? true.
1159290385 M * daniel_hozac but if you create a template with tar and then use -m template, that should work too.
1159290413 M * Bertl which requires twice the disk space, right?
1159290428 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1159290458 M * Bertl okay, I have to leave now ... back later this evening!
1159290460 M * Bertl have fun!
1159290464 M * daniel_hozac you too!
1159290467 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1159290952 Q * Bertl_oO Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159291591 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1159292507 J * Borg- ~borg@cube.benet.uu3.net
1159292510 M * Borg- evening
1159292515 M * Borg- guys.. I found weird thing :>
1159292522 M * Borg- [root@titanium] chroot /home/vservers/test1
1159292522 M * Borg- chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
1159292543 M * Borg- htf is could be possible? test1 is a fresh install.. /bin/bash exist!..
1159292742 M * doener plain vanilla+vserver kernel?
1159292756 M * Borg- screw it.. init 6
1159292762 M * Borg- doener: yep
1159292780 M * Borg- it worked today.. but I played too much w/ vserver.. might I got trapped w/ some vcontext or sth
1159292793 M * Borg- let see if after reboot I could do chroot
1159292900 M * Borg- UPS.. I forgot to attach serial cable.. damn.
1159292950 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-75.sttnwaho.covad.net
1159292968 Q * comfrey 
1159293023 M * Borg- okey.. sth is seriously screwed.. box didnt came up.... w/o serial cable I cannot do anything.. damn..
1159293027 M * Borg- enough work for today..
1159293042 M * Borg- time to relax.. and watch some TV..
1159293045 M * Borg- take care folks
1159293046 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-75.sttnwaho.covad.net
1159293231 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159295777 M * Zaki how to create a vserver from a local rpm files?
1159295800 M * Zaki from a cd mount as /mnt
1159295805 M * Zaki mounted*
1159296022 M * daniel_hozac -m rpm
1159296038 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, hi :)
1159296047 M * daniel_hozac hello
1159296054 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, and how to specify the path to rpms?
1159296062 M * daniel_hozac see the help output, -b IIRC.
1159296066 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, is it going to prompt me or what?
1159296151 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, can't see it in the help
1159296167 M * Zaki     rpm     ... -- [-d <distribution>] --empty|([--force] [--nodeps] <manifest>)+
1159296167 M * Zaki                 ...  installs lists of rpm-packages
1159296177 M * daniel_hozac hmm, indeed.
1159296188 M * Zaki sorry i didn't understand
1159296203 M * daniel_hozac it is -b <directory> though.
1159296274 M * Zaki vserver test1 -m rpm -b /mnt/CentOS/RPMS 
1159296275 M * Zaki ?
1159296279 M * Zaki like this?
1159296312 M * daniel_hozac no, more like vserver test1 build -m rpm --context ... --hostname ... --interface ... -- -b /mnt/CentOS/RPMS -d centos42
1159296330 M * Zaki i see
1159296358 M * Zaki but i think the documentation is not clear :(
1159296395 M * Zaki well i think vserver command itself is too complicated :/
1159296428 M * daniel_hozac what is not clear?
1159296446 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1159296456 M * Zaki it's just too complicated 
1159296468 M * Zaki far from simplicity
1159296476 M * Zaki that's what i mean
1159296528 M * daniel_hozac how is it too complicated?
1159296584 M * Zaki probably the man pages and the help is
1159296592 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-220-246.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159296609 M * Zaki and not written in clear wa
1159296618 M * daniel_hozac so how would you improve it?
1159296642 M * Zaki i need to understand first and then i'll try to answer your question
1159296655 M * Zaki it's the firt time for me to install vservers
1159296664 M * Zaki and it's the first vserver that i'm going to create!
1159296948 M * Zaki centos42 means 4.2 ?
1159296957 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1159296976 M * Zaki what if i'm running 4.4 as the host os?
1159296993 M * daniel_hozac the host doesn't matter at all, it's just for the guest.
1159297008 M * daniel_hozac and since you're using the rpm build method, there shouldn't be any differences between 4.2 and 4.4.
1159297024 M * daniel_hozac (0.30.211-rc2 has renamed it to centos4)
1159297043 M * Zaki [root@linux src]# vserver test1 build -m rpm --hostname test1 --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.8 -- -b /mnt/CentOS/RPMS/ -d centos42
1159297043 M * Zaki -b /mnt/CentOS/RPMS/ -d centos42 --
1159297043 M * Zaki No rpm-lists specified and no list found for distribution 'centos42'.
1159297043 M * Zaki When this is really indented, please use the '--empty' option.
1159297067 M * daniel_hozac what util-vserver version are you using?
1159297109 M * Zaki util-vserver-0.30.210
1159297124 M * daniel_hozac hmm, and how did you install it?
1159297129 M * Zaki and testme.sh succeeded 
1159297165 M * Zaki i set the prefix to /usr/local
1159297179 M * daniel_hozac so manually.
1159297203 M * daniel_hozac what does ls /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/distributions/ show?
1159297223 M * Zaki there is centos42 there
1159297231 M * Zaki i am aware of it already
1159297243 M * Zaki [root@linux distributions]# pwd
1159297244 M * Zaki /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/distributions
1159297244 M * Zaki [root@linux distributions]# ls
1159297244 M * Zaki centos42  defaults  fc1  fc2  fc3  fc4  redhat  rh9  suse91  template
1159297256 M * daniel_hozac hmm, ah, centos lacks the files required for the rpm build method.
1159297260 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection
1159297290 M * Zaki so what can i do?
1159297301 M * Zaki i'd like to test vserver for the first time in my life
1159297306 M * Zaki with the easiest method
1159297315 M * Zaki my net connectionn is just slow adsl
1159297320 M * daniel_hozac -m yum would be the easiest method.
1159297341 M * Zaki even for a bandwidth limited dsl connection?
1159297362 M * daniel_hozac how does that affect the easyness?
1159297385 M * Zaki hmm :)
1159297425 M * daniel_hozac you could create a manifest for centos4 and use that too.
1159297427 M * Zaki i should have said: i'd like to tet vserver for the first time in my life 
1159297441 M * Zaki with the most straight forward methods to start with 
1159297445 M * Zaki while having a slow connection
1159297452 M * Zaki :)
1159297519 M * Zaki any suggestion?
1159297545 M * daniel_hozac -m yum _is_ the easiest and most straight forward method.
1159297559 M * Zaki does it need losts of downloading?
1159297562 M * daniel_hozac a slow connection just means that you have to wait longer for it to build.
1159297565 M * Zaki lots*
1159297572 M * Zaki ok
1159297593 M * Zaki is this howto ok?
1159297594 M * Zaki http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1159297600 J * fosco fosco@konoha.devnullteam.org
1159297603 M * fosco re
1159297604 M * Zaki i have used this how to to install
1159297678 M * daniel_hozac C isn't needed as of 0.30.210, at least.
1159297745 M * Zaki C?
1159297765 M * daniel_hozac step C.
1159297773 M * daniel_hozac "C. Adding CentOS 4 Support into the tools"
1159297786 M * daniel_hozac and D seems to contain lots of bad things...
1159297790 M * Zaki yes i didn't do it
1159297795 M * Zaki because i saw centos42 there
1159297817 M * Zaki is there a better how to for centos currently?
1159297838 M * daniel_hozac i don't think so.
1159297840 M * Zaki and is this ok: 
1159297843 M * Zaki vserver min-centos4 build -m yum --hostname domain.com --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.136/24 --initstyle sysv \
1159297843 M * Zaki  --context 500 --force -- -d centos4
1159297855 M * daniel_hozac replace centos4 with centos42.
1159297858 M * Zaki sure
1159297860 M * Zaki what else?
1159297873 M * Zaki vserver test1 build -m yum --hostname test1hostname --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.136/24 --initstyle sysv --context 500 --force -- -d centos42
1159297881 M * Zaki is this ok?
1159297912 M * daniel_hozac looks fine.
1159297933 M * Zaki /bin/rpm: error while loading shared libraries: libvserver.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1159297965 M * daniel_hozac do you have /usr/local/lib in your ld search path?
1159298004 M * Zaki i don't remember
1159298021 M * Zaki i'll check now
1159298077 M * Zaki oh i forgot where is the ld search path 
1159298112 M * daniel_hozac /etc/ld.so.conf*
1159298116 M * Zaki isn't it /etc/ld.so.conf
1159298167 M * Zaki [root@linux src]# grep -ri local /etc/ld.so.conf.d
1159298168 M * Zaki /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libshout.conf:/usr/local/lib
1159298175 M * Zaki so it's there, isn't it?
1159298185 M * daniel_hozac i suppose.
1159298194 M * daniel_hozac did you run ldconfig?
1159298198 M * Zaki [root@linux src]# more /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libshout.conf
1159298198 M * Zaki /usr/local/lib
1159298198 M * Zaki [root@linux src]#
1159298227 M * Zaki how to do that?
1159298233 M * Zaki ldconfig and hit enter?
1159298261 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1159298267 M * Zaki then ?
1159298277 M * daniel_hozac huh?
1159298278 M * Zaki it is taking long time
1159298286 M * Zaki oh done
1159298299 M * Zaki it has taken awhile, normal but i thought it was going to be forever
1159298313 M * Zaki now i should run our vserver command ?
1159298318 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1159298340 M * Zaki btw, thanks alot for your great help and sorry for being so dumb !
1159298429 M * daniel_hozac np, it's what we're here for ;)
1159298444 M * Zaki it seems that yum haven't been able to work
1159298454 M * daniel_hozac oh?
1159298463 M * Zaki well unfortunately the command failed :(
1159298466 M * Zaki sorry for that
1159298476 M * Zaki [root@linux src]# vserver test1 build -m yum --hostname test1hostname --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.136/24 --initstyle sysv --context 500 --force -- -d centos42
1159298476 M * Zaki error: can't create transaction lock on /vservers/test1/var/lock/rpm/transaction
1159298489 M * Zaki You are using a version of yum which is insecure and broken in chroot
1159298489 M * Zaki related operations; either apply the patches shipped in the 'contrib/'
1159298489 M * Zaki directory of util-vserver, or ask the author of yum to apply them
1159298489 M * Zaki (preferred).
1159298498 M * Zaki In the meantime, 'vyum' will continue with dirty hacks which might not
1159298498 M * Zaki work when the vserver is running and local DOS attacks are possible.
1159298498 M * Zaki Execution will continue in 5 seconds...
1159298498 M * Zaki http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4.2/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found
1159298498 M * Zaki Trying other mirror.
1159298498 M * Zaki Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: update
1159298500 M * Zaki failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1159298502 M * Zaki Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1159298510 M * Zaki oops, i didn't know that it will take too much text
1159298537 M * Zaki sorry for flooding, next time i'll try to make it shorter or use pastebin
1159298628 M * daniel_hozac heh, looks like 4.2 is deprecated.
1159298670 M * Zaki so i better copy centos42 to centos44 and modfiy it to work?
1159298675 M * daniel_hozac you could try using http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/uv/experimental/util-vserver-0.30.211-rc2.tar.bz2 and then -d centos4
1159298742 M * Zaki i prefer to stick with the stable one
1159298770 M * Zaki and create non-centos vservers
1159298773 M * Zaki to try
1159298781 M * daniel_hozac sure, that should probably work too.
1159298794 M * Zaki which one is most likely to work?
1159298800 M * Zaki fc3 ?
1159298815 M * daniel_hozac fc4 is more likely.
1159298815 M * Zaki or fc4 ?
1159298819 M * Zaki yep
1159298868 M * Zaki error: can't create transaction lock on /vservers/test1/var/lock/rpm/transaction
1159298870 M * Zaki is this normal?
1159298877 J * benj0r ~benjamin@foxhound.sherpadown.net
1159298885 M * Zaki what permissions should be the /vservers directory?
1159298887 M * Zaki 000 ?
1159298904 N * benj0r bgigon
1159298908 M * Zaki oh it seems it's working
1159298909 M * Zaki but not sure
1159298947 M * daniel_hozac ah, right, you're using CentOS 4.4.
1159298956 M * Zaki yes i am
1159298988 M * Zaki Execution will continue in 5 seconds... <--- after this it looks like it's going to stay forever
1159299013 M * Zaki but at least this time it has created /vservers/test1 directory and the sub directories 
1159299018 M * Zaki lol
1159299021 M * daniel_hozac you'll need 0.30.211-rc2 or http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200609/0001.html
1159299175 M * Zaki ok i'll add mkdir -p "$vdir" /var/lock/rpm
1159299301 M * Zaki now i can return to our prevoius command with "centos42" instead of fc4 ?
1159299336 M * daniel_hozac no.
1159299344 M * Zaki ok fc4 then
1159299372 M * Zaki ok no errors
1159299382 M * Zaki then: "Execution will continue in 5 seconds..."
1159299388 M * Zaki and i'm waiting
1159299389 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: hello daniel - now it seems to me that you're the one who is doing util-vserver development. Isn't it Enrico Scholz? I'm asking because I'm not sure where to get the most up-to-date source of util-vserver?
1159299406 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: i've taken over it, for now at least.
1159299424 M * daniel_hozac http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/trunk/ is the SVN repo.
1159299425 M * meandtheshell ok - I see - so that will be it also in the future?
1159299487 M * daniel_hozac well, at least until ensc has the time/interest required again.
1159299509 M * meandtheshell I see - thank you for the information
1159299573 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, thanks alot , i'm going to wait for it to finish
1159299599 M * Zaki (will go for a snack :))
1159299611 M * Zaki bbl
1159299622 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome.
1159299845 M * Zaki Total download size: 22 M
1159299846 M * Zaki :)
1159299850 M * Zaki bbl
1159299857 M * daniel_hozac that's probably just the first step.
1159300127 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: to overlook things let me ask you another question - looking at http://svn.linux-vserver.org/ we see all projects that somehow related to Linux-VServer except the kernel patches - is that correct? If not may you be that gentle to point me to all other URL's that lead to Linux-VServer developer stuff - TIA :)
1159300179 A * meandtheshell and yes I already searched the wiki etc. :)
1159300254 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: well, i believe OpenVCP has their own thing.
1159300279 M * daniel_hozac and the kernel patches are intended to be imported into the git repository at git.linux-vserver.org.
1159300465 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: http://openvcp.org/svn/trunk seems to be OpenVCP's SVN.
1159300477 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: ok - I see - fine that you've mentioned OpenVCP as well I didn't had that in mind - I was the more thinking of all except stuff for Webfrontend admin stuff.
1159300477 M * meandtheshell In short - mentioning the git and the svn URL that should be it (all source available that is somehow Linux-VServer related).
1159300502 M * daniel_hozac i'd say so, but git isn't used yet.
1159300507 M * meandtheshell oh - fine - thank you - I'll put all that info in the wiki then - you know - one site to get it all :)
1159300516 M * meandtheshell ok 
1159300723 M * meandtheshell so for now, Herbert is maintaining the kernel patch source on that 13thfloor URL until git is in place - right? 
1159300754 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1159300791 M * meandtheshell there's no other place than the 13thfloor - right?
1159300808 M * daniel_hozac git is in place already, Bertl just isn't using it yet ;)
1159300817 M * daniel_hozac but yeah, for now they're on 13thfloor.
1159300818 M * meandtheshell lol
1159300824 Q * Skram Remote host closed the connection
1159300830 M * meandtheshell eb
1159300836 M * meandtheshell evil bertl :)
1159300840 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1159301468 P * pisc1 
1159301738 Q * yang Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1159301837 M * cryptronic derjohn?
1159301841 M * cryptronic derjohn2?
1159303113 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1159303226 M * Zaki re
1159303233 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, it has finished
1159303243 M * daniel_hozac Zaki: there you go.
1159303274 M * Zaki daniel_hozac, with a warning:
1159303284 M * Zaki warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2
1159303291 M * Zaki Public key for glibc-common-2.3.6-3.i386.rpm is not installed
1159303310 M * Zaki can i do now: vserver enter 
1159303310 M * Zaki ?
1159303312 M * daniel_hozac hmm, but it worked?
1159303321 M * Zaki still didn't test it
1159303322 M * daniel_hozac vserver test1 start, and then vserver test1 enter.
1159303365 M * Zaki oh
1159303474 M * Zaki vserver test2 start
1159303529 J * Skram ~Mark@hermes.sentiensystems.com
1159303597 M * Zaki i get: Cannot find vserver-setup at '/etc/vservers/test2'
1159303634 M * Zaki and worse than that the directory /vservers/test2 has disappeared !!!
1159303638 M * daniel_hozac what command did you run to build it?
1159303644 M * daniel_hozac what output did the build command give you?
1159303651 M * Zaki although it was created while the vserver build command was running
1159303655 M * daniel_hozac (use paste.linux-vserver.org)
1159303763 Q * derjohn2 Server closed connection
1159303773 J * derjohn2 ~aj@dslb-084-058-215-032.pools.arcor-ip.net
1159303884 M * Zaki http://paste.linux-vserver.org/417
1159303917 M * Zaki the directory /vservers/test2 was created while the build command was working
1159303929 M * Zaki but after it finished it dissapeared!
1159303943 M * Zaki disappeared
1159304022 M * daniel_hozac well, yes.
1159304026 M * daniel_hozac building the guest failed.
1159304038 M * daniel_hozac so it cleaned up.
1159304043 M * Zaki hmm
1159304131 M * Zaki what if i try it on debian?
1159304148 M * Zaki would be easier since it is included in debian?
1159304158 M * Zaki would it*
1159304176 M * daniel_hozac looks like you'll have to copy the Fedora keys to /usr/local/lib/distributions/fc4/pubkeys
1159304187 M * daniel_hozac well, building a Debian guest is certainly the easiest.
1159304225 M * daniel_hozac -m debootstrap ... -- -d sarge for instance.
1159304242 M * Zaki i mean to use a debian host 
1159304305 M * daniel_hozac well, your utils and kernel are already working.
1159304310 M * Zaki which would be the best linux distro for the guest with ready to use vservers and supported?
1159304319 M * Zaki supported by the distro
1159304331 M * daniel_hozac what?
1159304336 M * Zaki ok i'll try to make a debian guest now
1159304343 M * Zaki ooops
1159304344 M * Zaki sorry
1159304348 M * Zaki meant:
1159304357 M * Zaki Zaki which would be the best linux distro for the HOST with ready to use vservers and supported?
1159304380 M * Zaki but now i'll also try to create a debian guest on my current installation on centos 
1159304405 M * daniel_hozac as i told you yesterday, it depends on your requirements.
1159304443 Q * Borg- Quit: leaving
1159304615 M * Zaki i don't have debian in /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/distrobutions !!!
1159304626 M * daniel_hozac nope.
1159304630 M * daniel_hozac you shouldn't.
1159304633 M * Zaki oh ok
1159304638 M * Zaki but why? :D
1159304646 M * daniel_hozac debootstrap downloads everything on its own.
1159304649 M * Zaki and how to create a debian guest?
1159304668 M * daniel_hozac i told you already.
1159304684 M * daniel_hozac 22:57 < daniel_hozac> -m debootstrap ... -- -d sarge for instance.
1159304696 M * Zaki ok
1159304764 M * Zaki  vserver test2 build -m debootstrap --hostname test1hostname --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.9/24 -- -d sarge
1159304778 M * daniel_hozac you should also specify --context.
1159304877 J * murdoc ~anything@wsip-70-169-163-40.dc.dc.cox.net
1159304983 M * Zaki what about gentoo?
1159305003 M * daniel_hozac what do you mean?
1159305016 M * Zaki for a guest
1159305072 M * daniel_hozac with 0.30.211-rc2, build -m template ... -- -d gentoo -t stage3...tar.bz2 should do it.
1159305100 M * Zaki hmm
1159305108 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@61-224-135-165.dynamic.hinet.net
1159305472 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 481 seconds
1159305645 Q * murdoc 
1159305898 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1159306284 M * derjohn2 daniel_hozac, -m template is in the 211 edition, also  -m clone ?
1159306461 M * derjohn2 daniel_hozac, well, i'll simpy try ... but if there are still delta for 211 left, pls tell me ...
1159306555 M * daniel_hozac -m clone isn't in yet.
1159306583 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-011.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1159306592 M * daniel_hozac basically all of http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/p/uv/ and additional fixes...
1159306609 M * daniel_hozac derjohn2: ChangeLog contains all the commit messages though.
1159306628 J * matled ~matled@85.131.246.184
1159306662 M * daniel_hozac hmm, or did i misparse that second sentence?
1159307113 A * Belu is away (i�ll be back later...)
1159307115 N * Belu Belu_zZz
1159307361 M * derjohn2 daniel_hozac, perfect, i'll try to build a deb from it ...
1159307831 M * matled hi, is there some good documentation about using vservers?  for example I did not find documentation for the vserver command yet
1159307856 M * harry why is Remap Source IP Address an option??? why is it not "per default there"?
1159307931 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159307938 J * Bertl_oO herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at
1159307958 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1159307978 M * Bertl evening folks! ... looks like splitting is in again :/
1159308143 M * doener :(
1159308169 M * harry Bertl!!!!!!1
1159308170 M * harry why is Remap Source IP Address an option??? why is it not "per default there"?
1159308173 M * harry ;)
1159308614 M * Bertl because we have different behaviour, and for years now, it was not default
1159309389 Q * bgigon Quit: Pwet
1159309552 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1159309571 J * gcj ~chris@cpc1-cmbg7-0-0-cust497.cmbg.cable.ntl.com
1159309658 M * daniel_hozac matled: vserver --help?
1159309704 M * matled daniel_hozac: what I was looking for was vserver build build --help (strange syntax)
1159309814 M * Bertl welcome gcj!
1159309856 M * harry so, Bertl , there is no reason for me to disable that?
1159309875 M * daniel_hozac well, if you want the old behaviour, you should.
1159309887 M * harry what's the difference in behaviour then??? i don't get it?
1159309900 M * daniel_hozac the rewriting of the source address.
1159309916 M * daniel_hozac for packets destined for 127.0.0.1.
1159309926 M * harry yes i know
1159309933 M * harry but: 00:31 < harry> what's the difference in behaviour then???
1159309949 M * harry why should i care what the sourceaddress is when i use loopback
1159309952 M * daniel_hozac the different address.
1159309954 M * harry it just returns anyway
1159309970 M * harry yes... but again... why should i care what my sourceaddress is when i use loopback?
1159310008 M * daniel_hozac if you don't care, why are you even asking?
1159310013 M * daniel_hozac just pick one and be happy.
1159310022 M * harry because there must be a reason to put that option in there
1159310039 M * harry so... what's the reason? why did you/... put it in there?
1159310050 M * harry are there any programs that don't work/do crazy stuff?
1159310102 M * harry if there is none: then why not send all packets twice? especially the FIN packets, that way you're surer that all packets get delivered
1159310114 M * harry does it help? no , does it still work? yes
1159310121 M * harry but: why should you want that?
1159310144 M * daniel_hozac sending them twice would incur serious overhead....
1159310150 M * harry sorry for asking questions on why certain options are implemented
1159310174 M * harry yes, but if 1 fin packet in the end would get lost in transfer, the second one will close the connection for sure
1159310183 M * harry anyway, it's just an example...
1159310191 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159310197 M * harry there must be a reason to implement this... i want to konw what the reason is
1159310207 M * daniel_hozac it's a change in behaviour.
1159310213 M * harry and i know.. it's to rewrite the source address...
1159310219 M * daniel_hozac there you go then.
1159310229 M * harry mkay: so again, my question: whats the difference in behaviour?
1159310238 M * harry what the hell changes???
1159310244 M * daniel_hozac the different source address. which word is it you're not getting?
1159310245 M * harry (don't say: the source address...)
1159310268 M * harry who... in a service, cares about the source address???
1159310285 J * Piet_ hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159310286 M * harry you care about your destination, and wether your connections get established
1159310291 M * daniel_hozac have you seen the problematic programs page?
1159310294 M * harry not what source address ?
1159310298 M * harry no
1159310302 M * harry not for some time...
1159310320 M * daniel_hozac well, programs with hardcoded assumptions about localhost have been on there for quite some time.
1159310369 M * harry ahaaaaaaa... NOW i get an answer i can work with, thank you
1159310383 M * harry i didn't see the problem at first]
1159310393 M * daniel_hozac firewall rules are also affected.
1159310434 M * harry aaaaaah, to make a more "logical" use of localhost
1159310454 M * harry so this is just something you allways want, normally ?
1159310488 M * harry so, for most people, you want to enable the remap of the source address if you want to reach lo
1159310493 M * daniel_hozac unless you have broken programs or firewall rules depending on the old behaviour, yes.
1159310503 M * daniel_hozac local traffic _always_ uses lo.
1159310509 M * harry indeed
1159310538 M * harry that's why i didn't understand what the reason was, to make it a feature, and not a default option
1159310612 M * harry but, after a difficult discussion: thanks for the answer :)
1159310636 M * harry didn't konw there were programs that rely that much on the source address in loopback
1159310670 M * daniel_hozac how else would they determine that it's loopback?
1159310678 M * harry a related q: if i ping with a source address, an alias or so, on a real interface, and i ping to 127.0.0.1
1159310687 M * harry what interface does that go to?
1159310694 M * harry lo afaik, right?
1159310698 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159310715 M * harry daniel_hozac: they don't ... just check the destination
1159310737 M * harry if the destination is 127.0.0.1, it's loopback, and you reroute it to it's sourceaddress, no matter what that is
1159310751 M * harry you can even conntrack that! ;)
1159310756 M * daniel_hozac how would they check the destination of an incoming packet?
1159310769 M * harry ?
1159310786 M * harry by it's ip header???
1159310797 M * daniel_hozac since when does userspace get IP headers to parse?
1159310804 M * harry where it says: sourceaddr: bleh, dstaddr: blah
1159310812 M * harry it doesn't
1159310824 M * harry since when does userspace care about it?
1159310834 M * harry as long as it gets there, and gets returned correctly
1159310834 M * daniel_hozac ...
1159310852 M * daniel_hozac did you miss the whole problematic programs thing, or what?
1159310866 M * harry no
1159310889 M * harry some programs CAN check the sourceaddress... but why???
1159310907 M * harry if it arrives on lo, send it back out on lo...
1159310918 M * harry why would you hard code a check for 127.0.0.1
1159310918 M * daniel_hozac that's the kernel's job.
1159310927 M * harry hell, 127.2.3.4 is loopback too
1159310950 M * daniel_hozac if you want to check that something is local from userspace, how would you do that, without checking the source address?
1159310967 M * harry check destination address
1159311006 M * mugwump 127.0.0.1 was never defined as _the_ loopback address
1159311021 M * mugwump 127.0/8 was defined as being for host-local addresses, though
1159311034 M * mugwump in IPv6 ::1 is defined as being localhost
1159311042 M * daniel_hozac right, i'm not saying these programs are doing the right thing.
1159311049 M * harry thank you :)
1159311059 M * daniel_hozac harry: and how would you do that?
1159311059 M * mugwump glibc has some hardcoded 127.1's in it, particularly in the resolver
1159311067 M * harry that's what i was trying to say... normally you don't NEED to care about that
1159311075 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: btw, would you like fai support in util-vserver 0.30.211?
1159311102 M * mugwump ooo, you're thinking of merging my patch?
1159311104 M * harry if dst is 127.0.0.0/8, then it's loopback
1159311108 M * daniel_hozac well, i couldn't find the patch :)
1159311114 M * daniel_hozac (basically why i'm asking ;)
1159311115 M * mugwump it was on savannah
1159311124 M * daniel_hozac i just saw a link to alioth?
1159311148 M * daniel_hozac oh damn, lol, it's attached.
1159311148 M * daniel_hozac sorry.
1159311166 M * daniel_hozac i don't know how i missed it...
1159311170 M * mugwump I'll make an up to date one
1159311176 M * mugwump there have been some bugfixes
1159311178 M * daniel_hozac harry: and how do you get the destination address?
1159311206 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: ok, cool. ping me when it's ready.
1159311207 M * harry daniel_hozac: how do you get the source address?
1159311218 M * harry the same way, but the other way around ;)
1159311256 M * harry checking the sourceport, is, imho, like checking the source port in an ssh connection
1159311272 M * harry you don't care about the sourceport, as long as your destination (service) is reached!
1159311310 M * harry same for lo imho... if you reach lo, send it on, and reply to the address it came from, it will get back
1159311328 M * harry there's no absolute need to check the sourceaddress
1159311331 M * meandtheshell mugwump: what is it about this "fai" patch thing? Is it planned to integrate some sort of utilization with util-vserver?
1159311349 M * daniel_hozac it stands for fully automatic installation.
1159311362 M * daniel_hozac it's a new build method.
1159311366 M * daniel_hozac (that's about all i know :))
1159311376 A * meandtheshell knows fai but is just considering what the integration with util-vserver is
1159311393 M * mugwump well, basically so you can go : vserver xxx build -m fai ...
1159311397 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: well then I know more I guess :)
1159311401 M * harry if the patch fixes stuff to more "normal" behaviour, it's ok, and i will enable
1159311423 M * harry but it doesnt justify why the problematic programs have source addresses hardcoded imho
1159311434 M * daniel_hozac so could either of you elaborate on what fai is and what it does and why i'd want to use it? :)
1159311453 M * harry these programs should be fixed to work with any sourceaddress/port
1159311462 A * harry likes the sound of fai btw ;)
1159311482 M * meandtheshell daniel_hozac: because it doesn't scale linear to the number of pc's to install but it scales in O(1)
1159311482 M * meandtheshell or
1159311483 A * harry will stop rampaging about the option, and just enable it on all servers :)
1159311483 M * mugwump fai is at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
1159311496 M * meandtheshell it can be used from disaster recovery 
1159311525 M * mugwump ok, so basically you define your server profile in a small-ish amount of files,
1159311560 M * mugwump just specifying things like the packages you want, and adding scripts to run at install time
1159311576 M * mugwump on a per-class basis, where the classes are what you customise per-host
1159311598 M * mugwump eg, you break the functionality into logical units like MAIL_SERVER or FIREWALL
1159311605 M * daniel_hozac hmm, how does it actually differ from (say) using a custom distribution with the debootstrap build method, other than being usable for non-guests?
1159311612 M * mugwump it uses debootstrap
1159311632 M * mugwump well, one advantage is that you can take the same profiles and build "real" hosts with it
1159311639 M * harry daniel_hozac: it doesn't stop every 5 seconds to ask silly questions, afaik
1159311644 M * mugwump yeah that too
1159311653 M * daniel_hozac hmm, debootstrap asks questions?
1159311657 M * mugwump it should
1159311666 M * daniel_hozac i've never had it do that.
1159311666 M * mugwump you have to go in afterwards and run base-config etc
1159311669 M * harry just say : this is my config, this is my network/packageslist, password
1159311675 M * harry daniel_hozac: you have to enter rootpasswd?
1159311685 M * harry ip address of some stuff
1159311692 M * harry list what packages you want installed
1159311697 Q * AndrewLee Server closed connection
1159311698 M * harry (or install them manually afterward)
1159311700 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
1159311701 M * meandtheshell mugwump: sorry for interrupt - so, with the integration into util-vserver it is possible to install VPS (guest's) or would you use it to setup a FAI environment?
1159311715 M * harry the entire baseconfig indeed... you don't need that with fai
1159311715 M * mugwump it's for building guests
1159311768 M * meandtheshell mugwump: ok - I see - but in fact both should be doable - http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_VServers
1159311807 A * mugwump looks at that
1159311807 M * daniel_hozac meandtheshell: check the author of that page ;)
1159311824 M * mugwump right, the second part of those instructions, which I should really update :-}
1159311833 M * meandtheshell mugwump, daniel_hozac: anyway, that integration approach sounds very good to me!
1159311861 M * meandtheshell mugwump: ;-)
1159311871 M * harry anyway... /me off to bed now
1159311879 M * harry thanks for the info, daniel_hozac 
1159311886 M * harry and the rest, for the fai stuff etc;)
1159311965 M * mugwump you'll still need the modified FAI package, but if this gets into util-vserver, I can make a stronger case to getting the vserver changes merged into trunk
1159311974 M * gcj Bertl, thanks :-) sorry i was busy in another window
1159311988 M * gcj been thinking about how to increase the stability of my vserver box
1159311999 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: well, we sort of require a modified yum too, so i don't think that's unreasonable.
1159312006 M * gcj swap storm this morning made it almost unusable, and was pretty hard to debug
1159312033 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: does it check if the installed FAI is modified, or will it fail with some obscure message?
1159312067 M * mugwump it will fail horribly ;)
1159312080 M * meandtheshell mugwump: "modified FAI package" - can you elaborate that please?
1159312087 M * daniel_hozac hehe, well, that would probably be nice to fix :)
1159312095 M * mugwump true that
1159312116 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1159312286 M * gcj well, too late to deal with it now, will try tomorrow
1159312289 M * gcj goodnight all
1159312297 Q * gcj Quit: bbl
1159312408 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: hmm, any reason you're parsing SETUP_INTERFACES manually?
1159312436 M * mugwump that depends, are you after a _good_ reason?  ;)
1159312439 M * daniel_hozac after setup_writeOption, you should be able to use _generate*.
1159312451 M * daniel_hozac hehe, preferably ;)
1159312470 M * mugwump that entire script is something of a hack.. esp. that  huge vnamespace commadn
1159312481 M * mugwump though it's a testament to the flexibility of the scripts
1159312518 M * mugwump note the use of a FIFO to sync. some external vattribute/vuname changes
1159312521 M * daniel_hozac and why is it generating a context?
1159312546 M * mugwump because it's using chcontext itself.  it's a throw-away context.
1159312546 M * daniel_hozac shouldn't the xid be specified on the command line?
1159312558 M * daniel_hozac why can't it use the xid already allocated for the guest?
1159312568 M * daniel_hozac i.e. the one the user specified.
1159312608 M * mugwump tbh this is the first time somebody other than me or my collegues have reviewed the implementation
1159312614 M * daniel_hozac and i guess ensc would shoot me if we made the utils depend on perl :)
1159312629 M * mugwump oh, where's that...
1159312642 M * daniel_hozac sorry it took me so long to find the patch.
1159312650 M * mugwump oh, yeah, parsing the SETUP_INTERFACES
1159312659 M * daniel_hozac and killing processes.
1159312689 M * mugwump well I'm sure that's simple enough for awk, if you know it
1159312711 M * daniel_hozac should just be able to use vkill -c <xid> 0, no?
1159312729 M * mugwump you'd think
1159312740 M * daniel_hozac but?
1159312772 M * mugwump oh, yeah, I wanted to show them, that's all
1159312785 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1159312828 M * mugwump ok, I'll send this change to the list as a patch?  or can you give me a commit bit?
1159312845 M * meandtheshell mugwump: above you used the term "modified FAI package" - what is it about?
1159312873 M * mugwump you need the people/mugwump/vserver branch from alioth
1159312875 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i think Hollow is the only one with user creation capabilities.
1159312890 M * meandtheshell mugwump: I see
1159312929 M * mugwump however, that branch needs some refactoring: things are added into the 'example' profile, where they should go into files in /usr/lib/fai
1159312956 M * mugwump right, well, this patch is going to the list, then
1159312970 A * mugwump starts preparing the e-mail, now's your chance to veto :)
1159313013 M * daniel_hozac well, i can't veto it before i've seen the updated patch :)
1159313049 M * mugwump oh, I mean sending a dev. e-mail to the users list
1159313068 M * daniel_hozac well, we only have the one list, so where else would it go?
1159313108 M * Bertl .o( hmm, maybe a general veto :)
1159313113 J * mire ~mire@239-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.Verat.NET
1159313127 M * Bertl .o( or generic veto which can be adapted later :)
1159313139 M * daniel_hozac i'm curious though, should we run the entire build process in its own namespace? certainly FAI isn't the only one that mounts things?
1159313388 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1159313420 M * Bertl wb mire! Piet!
1159313426 M * mire hi :)
1159313467 M * Piet hey
1159313490 M * Piet was about time for the hourly disconnect
1159313544 M * meandtheshell mugwump: http://alioth.debian.org/people/mugwump does not exist ... so?
1159313561 M * mugwump http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/fai/people/mugwump/vserver/
1159313576 M * meandtheshell mugwump: ok
1159313581 M * mugwump I'm a "guest" because I don't know the debian secret handshake yet
1159313596 M * mugwump I couldn't stomach the circle jerk bit
1159313602 M * meandtheshell mugwump: I see - so that was why ...
1159313708 M * mugwump daniel_hozac: it's mounting stuff all over the place, lots of bind mounts.  didn't want to pollute the calling namespace, and make sure that it gets cleaned up on context stop
1159313783 Q * Piet_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1159314047 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: yeah, i'm just wondering if that shouldn't be done for all the build methods.
1159314071 M * mugwump right
1159314094 M * mugwump ok, I sent the branch detection separately
1159314100 M * Bertl sidenote: don't confuse filesystem/mount namespaces with contexts :)
1159314130 A * meandtheshell is off to bed - good night all ...
1159314136 M * daniel_hozac good night!
1159314139 Q * meandtheshell Quit: exit (0);
1159314163 N * DreamerC_ DreamerC
1159314231 M * daniel_hozac mugwump: btw, what are all the pluses for in the getopt command?
1159314235 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection
1159314240 M * daniel_hozac i couldn't find it in the man page.
1159314255 A * daniel_hozac has never really used getopt in bash before.
1159314308 M * mugwump argument specification
1159314316 M * daniel_hozac multiple arguments?
1159314329 M * daniel_hozac or optional?
1159314347 M * daniel_hozac because just argument is :, isn't it?
1159314374 M * Bertl the only getopt use of '+' I know of is the first character
1159314387 M * daniel_hozac yeah, that's all i could find too.
1159314391 M * Bertl which means POSIXLY_CORRECT
1159314505 M * mugwump oh right.  well, my bad, but it works ;)
1159314621 M * daniel_hozac is hardcoding the path to fai really such a good idea? :)
1159314640 Q * rob_ Quit: Verlassend
1159314724 Q * Zaki Remote host closed the connection
1159314821 M * daniel_hozac and why are you using expr for string comparisons (or will REAL_ROOTDIR/VDIR evaluate to patterns?)?
1159314906 Q * cryptronic Quit: changing servers
1159314919 J * cryptronic crypt@mail.openvcp.org