1158019856 J * symtab ~symtab@193.230.207.150 1158019872 Q * serving Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158021218 J * spq_ ~spq@dslb-084-063-002-004.pools.arcor-ip.net 1158021241 M * spq_ hi there, i have problems getting opensuse and gentoo running as vservers 1158021324 M * spq_ http://www.ampaste.net/3691 1158021330 Q * Piet Quit: :tiuQ 1158021371 M * spq_ debian and fedora core run fine 1158021410 M * spq_ (all images are from http://lylix.net/vps+templates/func,select/id,1/orderby,2/page,3/) 1158021444 M * spq_ except thegentoo one, its a stage3 from http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/x86/vserver/ 1158021453 M * spq_ any ideas? 1158022035 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1158022074 M * daniel_hozac spq_: what initstyle is your Gentoo guest usign? 1158022090 M * spq_ i dont know 1158022097 M * spq_ howto determine? 1158022103 M * daniel_hozac spq_: so the default, it needs plain. 1158022108 M * spq_ ok 1158022110 M * daniel_hozac echo plain > /etc/vservers/v5/apps/init/style 1158022112 M * spq_ how to switch? 1158022121 M * spq_ thx 1158022127 M * spq_ can i switch the others too? 1158022141 M * daniel_hozac ? Debian and Fedora? 1158022171 M * spq_ nice, thx 1158022172 M * spq_ yes 1158022178 M * spq_ debian and fedora run fine 1158022182 M * spq_ gentoo now also 1158022188 M * spq_ suse is left 1158022196 M * daniel_hozac OpenSUSE looks like the guest isn't starting any services, so it won't stay on for long enough for the start process to finish. 1158022208 M * daniel_hozac (could also be solved by setting the initstyle to plain) 1158022219 M * daniel_hozac s/solved/"solved"/ 1158022278 M * spq_ ok, works also 1158022292 M * spq_ hm, what is the differencebetween these two modes? 1158022367 M * daniel_hozac sysv just executes /etc/{rc,init}.d/rc inside the guest, while plain starts an init inside. 1158022381 M * daniel_hozac the init then handles starting the correct processes and such. 1158022404 M * spq_ i dont see the normal apps running 1158022435 M * daniel_hozac in which guest? 1158022443 M * daniel_hozac and what's a "normal app"? 1158022472 M * spq_ http://www.ampaste.net/3692 1158022582 M * daniel_hozac so that guest doesn't have any services running. 1158022623 M * spq_ hm ok, for gentoo this is okay 1158022660 M * daniel_hozac yes, expected even 1158022740 M * spq_ even? 1158022841 M * spq_ error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied 1158022842 M * spq_ hm 1158023227 M * daniel_hozac sounds like SELinux or similar. 1158023342 M * spq_ hm yea 1158023354 M * spq_ the suse probably has it enabled 1158023360 M * spq_ or is it a kernel thing? 1158023379 M * daniel_hozac it's a kernel thing. 1158023396 M * spq_ so it must be grsec 1158023405 M * spq_ causeim using the vserver+grsec thing 1158023413 M * daniel_hozac there you go then. 1158024261 M * DaCa spq_: yes, its PaX's MPROTECT, either disable it completely or fix affected libraries with execstack -c or binaries with chpax -m 1158024558 M * spq_ thx! 1158024562 M * spq_ i will disable it 1158024568 Q * spq_ Quit: spq_ 1158025765 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158026592 J * serving ~serving@86.108.78.0 1158026952 Q * olilo Quit: bbiab 1158027757 J * olilo hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158028005 J * lylix ~eric@dynamic-acs-24-154-53-234.zoominternet.net 1158028946 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1158031219 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19 1158033364 Q * ruskie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1158033479 J * ruskie ~ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net 1158035128 Q * olilo Remote host closed the connection 1158035269 J * olilo hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158035477 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 485 seconds 1158037366 Q * Zaki Remote host closed the connection 1158037738 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.110.224 1158038378 Q * symtab Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158038960 Q * olilo Remote host closed the connection 1158039931 J * olilo hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158041230 M * sid3windr heh, I only just noticed the big vserver article in linux mag of september :o 1158041945 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158042961 J * balbir ~balbir@125.22.43.188 1158043681 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-37-162.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1158044637 J * dna_ ~naucki@232-221-dsl.kielnet.net 1158044659 J * id23 ~id@p50813961.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1158045479 J * cdrx ~legoater@242.32.96-84.rev.gaoland.net 1158045568 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158045974 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1158045993 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158046856 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1158047224 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81 1158047292 M * nayco Hello, all ! 1158047422 J * prae ~Benjamin@5-63.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr 1158048498 J * mire_ ~mire@46-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net 1158049908 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-204-173.pools.arcor-ip.net 1158052346 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-149-109-85.hive.is 1158052623 Q * _are_ Quit: bbl 1158053273 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1158053302 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1158054203 M * cdrx hello 1158055735 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend 1158056105 M * daniel_hozac Guest155: i'll start merging my patches to SVN now. 1158056235 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158056508 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1158058675 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de 1158058883 M * phreak`` daniel_hozac: gooooood :) 1158059276 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1158059280 M * Bertl morning folks! 1158059306 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl! 1158059671 M * phreak`` morning Bertl & daniel_hozac of course 1158059686 M * daniel_hozac hehe, morning phreak`` 1158059780 M * prae phreak``: ;) 1158059862 M * phreak`` oi. senor Benjamin :P 1158059972 M * prae Senor daPhreak ;) 1158060363 M * Bertl hmm, somehow I got a feeling that we have to move the mailinglist soon, we get a lot of repetitive/useless spam and we do _not_ get the messages which should get there ... *sigh* 1158060462 M * daniel_hozac heh. 1158061368 Q * olilo Quit: brb 1158062039 J * olilo hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158062046 M * Bertl wb olilo! 1158062185 M * olilo heya Bertl 1158062196 A * olilo changes nicks 1158062401 J * somegeek ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1158062436 A * olilo waves to somegeek 1158062449 A * somegeek waves to olilo 1158062462 M * somegeek Bertl: new nick :) 1158062466 Q * olilo Quit: leaving 1158062505 Q * somegeek 1158062631 M * sid3windr Bertl: how about making it only-members-can-post ? 1158062638 M * sid3windr (and add some external people into a whitelist) 1158063346 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54B4EF74.dip.t-dialin.net 1158063379 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1158063463 Q * Guest155 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158063927 M * marcfiu hello 1158063959 M * daniel_hozac hi 1158064020 Q * mire_ Remote host closed the connection 1158064075 J * somegeek hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158065319 Q * somegeek Quit: brb 1158065365 J * somegeek hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158065772 M * Bertl sid3windr: well, yes, there are many options, just that marlow doesn't seem to care/have time for that 1158065792 M * sid3windr :) 1158065814 M * Hollow Bertl: mailman? ;) 1158065819 M * sid3windr he can't just give you the list's administrative password or something? 1158065819 M * sid3windr :) 1158065923 M * Bertl we'll see, I'll contact him again ... 1158066015 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158066886 J * balbir ~balbir@125.22.43.188 1158070244 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1158070622 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1158072169 J * dna_ ~naucki@p54BCDDD8.dip.t-dialin.net 1158073095 Q * dna_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158073164 J * dna_ ~naucki@p54BCDDD8.dip.t-dialin.net 1158074047 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection 1158074187 N * nokoya _nokoya 1158074192 N * _nokoya nokoya 1158074739 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54977688.dip.t-dialin.net 1158074945 M * id23 greetings #vserver 1158074956 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what was the patch/fix for the dm changes? 1158074975 M * daniel_hozac just a fix for my 2.6.17.13 rebase. 1158074981 M * id23 Bertl, what is libvserver for ? 1158074992 M * daniel_hozac i must've been sleeping when i checked the rejects the first time. 1158075008 M * Bertl well, I'm looking at the rejects right now too 1158075008 M * id23 lib for vserver-utils ? 1158075024 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: and I wonder if mainline is doing the right thing there? 1158075025 M * daniel_hozac id23: a syscall wrapper library. 1158075030 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm? 1158075031 M * id23 ah ok 1158075049 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: well, I did do a delta between .11 and .13, sec 1158075069 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/366 1158075080 P * Viper0482 und weg 1158075087 M * daniel_hozac ah. 1158075091 M * Bertl and I see a dm_get_md() with no dm_put() there 1158075103 M * Bertl (which might be a bug fix :) 1158075107 M * daniel_hozac right, but i think the idea was that you wanted to keep the reference. 1158075111 M * daniel_hozac so the module can't be unloaded. 1158075122 M * Bertl okay, is that mentioned somewhere? changelogs? 1158075155 M * daniel_hozac yeah 1158075158 M * daniel_hozac http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.17.12 1158075178 M * daniel_hozac i think it's commit 659a8ced33c4e01ff0807ba42ca6697a81fd26eb 1158075219 M * Bertl and you do something like this, in your patch, right? 1158075221 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/367 1158075244 M * daniel_hozac ah, no it's commit 6731637067000c92d8957ddec764f31720c89c15 1158075246 M * Bertl well, + md test on put maybe 1158075279 M * daniel_hozac oh damn, no, i forgot about that. 1158075324 M * daniel_hozac that's certainly what i should've done though :) 1158075357 M * Bertl okay, what about this one: 1158075365 M * Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/368 1158075370 M * Bertl (only upper part valid) 1158075583 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1158075914 J * derjohn2 ~aj@dslb-084-058-253-249.pools.arcor-ip.net 1158076554 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: is there a way to seach for file changes/commits in the kernel.org gitweb? 1158076571 M * daniel_hozac i haven't found one yet. 1158076573 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: no problem in this case, as I already had the commit from you 1158076586 M * Bertl *commit id 1158076601 M * Bertl okay, tx 1158076700 M * doener Bertl: what kind of search? 1158076727 M * Bertl well, for example, I'd like to get all changes in a git repository for file sound/usb/usbaudio.c 1158076752 M * doener select the "tree" link for the repo 1158076753 M * daniel_hozac history should work for that. 1158076758 M * doener then browse to that file 1158076773 M * daniel_hozac IMHO it needs some sort of blame/annotate feature though. 1158076811 M * Bertl ah, okay, seems I missed the history links :) 1158077098 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org 1158077368 Q * prae Quit: Quitte 1158077509 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.36.236 1158077741 M * Bertl welcome stefani! bonbons! 1158077749 M * stefani hola 1158077766 M * gdm Bertl: hello. i did all the stuff as suggested the other day, but couldn't update bios on that machine as there is no floppy drive (duh! forgot to check that). the sysrq kind of works, but not quite.. couldnt' really figure out why 1158077770 M * gdm hola stefani :-) 1158077776 M * stefani hey. 1158077796 M * Bertl gdm: what doesn't work with the sysrq? 1158077829 M * gdm the nmi watchdog works 1158077835 M * Bertl excellent! 1158077847 M * gdm Bertl: well, i can't seem to send a break, at least from what i can tell, from another computer 1158077868 M * Bertl did you try a terminal emulation like minicom? 1158077868 M * gdm but the /proc stuff all says it is working, and the kernel says it is configured 1158077899 M * Bertl it should be able to 'send a break' over the line 1158077901 M * gdm unfortunately, i could only use a windows machine to connect to the serial (via hyperterminal thanks to stefani) 1158077913 M * gdm when i did alt-sysrq-h there was nothing 1158077924 M * Bertl well, not that unexpected :) 1158077942 M * Bertl on a linux machine, you would have entered the magic sysrq state :) 1158077958 M * gdm oh, ok. i thought that was meant to provide some help menu or something. but maybe i misunderstood 1158078013 M * Bertl search your hyperterm for 'break' or 'sending break' 1158078101 M * gdm ok, just rebooting that computer as well 1158078937 M * gdm Bertl: i got it working :-) 1158078954 M * Bertl great! 1158078993 M * gdm so now, i guess, should install the machine on teh web again? 1158079005 M * gdm or should i adjust some limits to the vservers, etc? 1158079197 M * Bertl no, just monitor the accounting for unusual resource usage 1158079210 M * Bertl also keep a close eye on the the swap space and kernel log 1158079452 M * matti Bertl: ;) 1158079553 M * Bertl gdm: ah, have you checked that kernel logging/oopses go to the serial console? (just checking) 1158079605 M * gdm yes, they do 1158079635 M * Bertl good, then let's wait and see 1158079641 M * gdm so connect to the web? 1158080142 M * Bertl yup 1158080238 M * Bertl ah, a few things I do not remember if I checked them/told you 1158080253 M * Bertl (has been quite some time to get there :) 1158080264 M * Bertl - check that the kernel has debug info included 1158080268 M * gdm (yes! but appreciated) 1158080274 M * gdm we did that, i believe 1158080281 M * Bertl - enable the VSERVER_HISTORY debug stuff 1158080321 M * Bertl CONFIG_VSERVER_HISTORY=y 1158080321 M * Bertl CONFIG_VSERVER_HISTORY_SIZE=64 1158080335 M * Bertl CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y 1158080335 M * Bertl CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y 1158080374 M * gdm ahh, ok, need to do that stuff 1158080375 M * Bertl if the history is missing right now, no need to recompile, just prepare one for the next round (if we need one) 1158080420 M * Bertl the others are more important, especially that you can use addr2line or gdb to get line numbers from the oops/trace 1158080438 M * gdm oh, i actually got pretty quick at compiling now, it's not a problem. and i don't think i can get it on the net for a few days anyway, probably 1158080441 M * gdm we shall see about that 1158080855 J * comfrey ~comfrey@static-64-65-140-161.dsl.pdx.eschelon.com 1158080935 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1158081557 M * daniel_hozac ensc: hmm, it seems i can't really do anything productive in the bug tracker, like closing/assigning bugs/patches. 1158081861 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later! 1158081868 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1158082112 J * nyu ~rmh@62.57.141.138 1158082114 M * nyu hi 1158082160 M * daniel_hozac hello 1158082173 M * nyu I've read in the FAQ that there are some problems with the version of vserver that shipped with debian sarge. How severe are these problems (it doesn't say what the problems are) ? 1158082204 M * nyu also, if I have to upgrade, do I have to upgrade everything, just userland component or just kernel component? 1158082208 M * daniel_hozac what versions are shipped in sarge? 1158082263 M * daniel_hozac you really should prefer the latest of both. 1158082292 M * nyu daniel_hozac: http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#On_Debian_Sarge_.28stable.29_only_util-vserver_is_0.30-204_available.2C_which_has_been_reported_to_be_buggy_.28I_didnt_check_the_version_for_longer_time.29_How_do_I_compile_a_local_version_of_alpha_util-vserver_.210_on_Debian.3F 1158082338 M * nyu daniel_hozac: I know, but much more convenient for me to stick with the stock Linux builds in a production system 1158082356 M * nyu util-vserver is 0.30-204 1158082376 M * nyu I don't know if upgrading the util package implies keeping the kernel in sync 1158082404 M * daniel_hozac and kernel? 1158082413 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.210 is in backports.org though. 1158082456 M * daniel_hozac (and jesus, who created that URL...) 1158082673 J * starlein star@fo0bar.de 1158082867 M * nyu grmble 1158082879 M * nyu never mind, it seems vserver-enabled linux-image is only in backports as well :) 1158082996 M * daniel_hozac heh. 1158083462 Q * somegeek Remote host closed the connection 1158083482 J * somegeek hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158084095 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158084214 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1158084270 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158084503 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1158084845 J * mire ~mire@11-166-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net 1158085060 M * nayco quit 1158085062 Q * nayco Quit: leaving 1158085128 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1158085145 J * Pazzo ~thomas@dialin-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1158085323 J * Piet hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1158085463 J * nayco ~nayco@proxy2.laroche.univ-nantes.fr 1158085474 M * nayco 'llo again :-) 1158085706 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat 1158085859 M * nayco test 1158086115 M * doener 1 2 test, test 1158086239 M * daniel_hozac ensc, phreak``, Hollow, micah, Bertl, doener, etc: i've merged all my (final) patches to the svn repo now. 1158086256 M * nyu I don't understand the FAQ about networking very well (http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_can.27t_do_all_I_want_with_the_network_interfaces_inside_the_guest.3F). does this CAP_NET_RAW capability allow guests to bind their sockets to a network interface of the host? or I will need to handle routing between eth0 and tun0 myself? 1158086278 M * nyu best would be to give a public IP to the guest 1158086283 Q * nayco Quit: leaving 1158086299 M * daniel_hozac CAP_NET_RAW gives guests the ability to use raw sockets. 1158086318 M * daniel_hozac i.e. they can create whatever packets they please, as well as read every packet. 1158086338 M * nyu ah, ok. tcpdump, nmap, sniffing, etc? 1158086350 M * nyu I just need standard tcp/ip networking 1158086354 M * daniel_hozac right. 1158086376 M * micah daniel_hozac: i'm hoping I will have reliable internet tomorrow, been moving the last few weeks so haven't been able to be online 1158086400 M * micah daniel_hozac: can you give me the repo URL(s)? 1158086402 M * nyu the FAQ says this is likely to change with "ngnet". what is this ngnet thing? 1158086430 M * daniel_hozac micah: http://svn.linux-vserver.org/viewvc.py/util-vserver/trunk/ http://svn.linux-vserver.org/svn/util-vserver/trunk/ 1158086436 M * micah daniel_hozac: thanks 1158086445 M * micah btw. the new website looks really great everyone! 1158086482 M * micah I saw some of the discussion of that movement, but I didn't see it go live until today :) 1158086513 M * nyu is there some way to give a public IP to a guest, other than firewalling in your host? 1158086557 M * micah nyu: yes through configuring the vserver to have one 1158086589 M * micah nyu: either in the initial creation, or by changing the /etc/vserver//interfaces//{ip,prefix,dev} etc. 1158086693 M * nyu micah: ah, that is good 1158086740 M * nyu does the host have to "claim" this IP (e.g. eth0 + eth0:1) or is it only used by guest? 1158086758 M * daniel_hozac all networking happens on the host- 1158086768 M * daniel_hozac guests are just limited to a subset of the networking resources. 1158086775 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: awesome :) 1158086801 M * nyu I see 1158086874 M * nyu looks very interesting. I'll have to try this once i sort out the linux image issue 1158087118 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54977688.dip.t-dialin.net 1158087118 Q * Viper0482 1158087985 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: the vshelper fix is not commited yet? 1158088035 M * Hollow and btw, what about adding testme/testfs to util-vserver? 1158088293 M * daniel_hozac no, no vshelper fixes yet. 1158088315 M * daniel_hozac yeah, testme/testfs would make sense. 1158088425 M * Hollow ok, sory for my impatience :) 1158088440 M * daniel_hozac Bertl_oO: opinions? 1158088449 M * daniel_hozac hehe, i'm the same way ;) 1158088523 M * Hollow imo it would also be worth to add vcmd to util-vserver 1158088815 M * daniel_hozac vcmd is more of a developers tool though. 1158088848 M * Hollow yeah, but it could help with debugging... maybe just putting it in /usr/lib/util-vserver would make sense 1158089251 J * comfrey ~comfrey@c-24-21-190-237.hsd1.or.comcast.net 1158090332 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1158090664 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-123-221.dclient.hispeed.ch 1158094211 Q * meandtheshell Quit: bye bye ... 1158094662 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1158094921 J * dna___ ~naucki@p54BCDDD8.dip.t-dialin.net 1158095072 Q * dna___ 1158095202 Q * Blissex Read error: Connection reset by peer 1158095315 Q * dna_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1158095751 Q * comfrey Quit: Lost terminal 1158095753 Q * cdrx Quit: Leaving 1158095800 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-097.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1158095942 Q * marcfiu Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ 1158098791 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1158101407 M * Bertl_oO evening folks! 1158101445 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1158101494 M * Bertl Hollow: well, I think I will do a testme2.sh (or so) which is based on vcmd (probably part of the vcmd package) 1158101514 M * Bertl which is more intended for automated testing and verifications of the various ports 1158101525 M * Bertl i.e. it will be a testme++ 1158102343 M * matti :)