1154908814 M * Bertl http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/delta-cow-feat04.diff
1154908833 M * Skram im back
1154909020 M * Bertl wb Skram!
1154909051 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1154909056 M * Skram :)
1154909064 M * Bertl wb anonc!
1154909163 M * anonc mornin' bertl
1154909417 M * Skram Bertl: still have your configs for using rrdcollect? anyone else? if not, ill work on it tonight
1154909493 M * Bertl is quite some time since back then, I could probably dig them out but I think it's not worth the efford, proc interfaces changed, and it isn't too hard
1154909504 M * Skram okay
1154909519 M * Skram hardest part is graphing and the rrd DS and bull!@#$
1154909541 M * Bertl php has rrdtool support IIRC :)
1154909552 M * Skram oh?
1154909567 M * Skram ill look that up in a sec
1154910519 J * bondovy bondovy@AC833748.ipt.aol.com
1154910527 M * Bertl welcome bondovy!
1154910557 M * bondovy .........and your a auto msg huh
1154910591 M * bondovy .Lusers
1154910594 M * Bertl unfortunately no ...
1154910611 M * bondovy Epp you scared me!
1154910611 M * Bertl otherwise I would care less about such comments :)
1154910653 M * bondovy when ever i get on no one ever talks so its like yah scary when some one dose becuse i dont know if its a bot or not...
1154910667 M * Bertl I'm a very smart bot trying to pass the turing test, wanna help?
1154910680 M * bondovy o yah sure
1154910702 M * Bertl so, do you believe me now that I'm no bot?
1154910713 M * bondovy yah
1154910714 M * Skram haha
1154910724 M * bondovy ?
1154910729 M * Bertl bondovy: excellent, so you consider me a human, right?
1154910808 M * bondovy i would hope so becuse if you where maybe a "robot" metal penis id might have some copatishion with keeping a 2 year long irection in full hardcore sex
1154910843 M * Bertl hmm, i.c. so that would have been to easy I guess :)
1154910869 M * Bertl bondovy: so what brings you here?
1154910876 M * bondovy to chat really
1154910886 M * Bertl with a bot?
1154910891 M * bondovy .......
1154910909 M * bondovy well if your a bot then atlest im doing some thing with my time
1154910936 M * Bertl ah, I'm honored ... so you know what this channel is about?
1154910983 M * bondovy hmm seems like its based of off linux
1154910994 M * bondovy or has the base subject
1154911021 M * Bertl yes, some 'variant' or 'modification' to the linux kernel (with some userspace tools)
1154911067 M * bondovy i wish to learn more about linux becuse i wish to add the OS for it on my xbox
1154911116 M * Bertl IIRC there is an #xbox-linux channel here (or at least it was)
1154911133 M * bondovy yah its there i saved it
1154911140 M * bondovy no one on it live anyways
1154911145 M * Hurga- strange... 
1154911148 M * Hurga- root@kabelmarder:/vservers/services# rmdir dev
1154911148 M * Hurga- rmdir: dev: Device or resource busy
1154911175 M * Hurga- been using newvserver, which failed...
1154911179 M * Bertl Hurga-: something could be mounted there or some process is actively using it
1154911193 M * Bertl (like for example udevd or so)
1154911205 M * Hurga- udev was my guess too... 
1154911248 M * bondovy and now im freaked out 
1154911255 M * Hurga- but I guess shutting down udev wouldn't be such a good idea.
1154911272 M * Hurga- (remote server)
1154911397 M * bondovy some how im able to hear what my next door neabors are saying on my pc...
1154911450 M * bondovy weard...
1154911517 M * Aiken Bertl still does it with that patch
1154911547 M * Bertl okay, tx, good to know .. will look into it shortly
1154912077 Q * lilo2 Remote host closed the connection
1154912135 J * lilo2 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1154912312 M * Bertl Aiken: do you see any way to check if the reported number correlates with the broken links?
1154912624 M * Aiken if I run my cow-test 21 times then I will get vxW: !!! limit: fffffc00090be070[NOFILE,6] = 21 on exit.
1154912629 M * Aiken seems to be a correlation
1154912682 M * Aiken run it 101 times and get fffffc000af2d070[NOFILE,6] = 101
1154912739 M * Bertl ah, cool, so what exactly does the cow-test do?
1154912797 M * Aiken http://paste.linux-vserver.org/227
1154912839 M * Aiken just a simple, create file, creat elink and setattr then trigger a cow break by modifying one of the files
1154912865 M * Hurga- is it supported to run two vservers with the same IP?
1154912880 M * Bertl Hurga-: yes
1154912916 M * bj I have a nice vserver running my mailer (amavis, db, greylisting, etc.) and want the other vserver cages to use it as relayhost but they can't see it (which is ok) but how to I solve the problem, when I want to send mails _locally_ not via masq/external ip ? Anyone got an idea for me ? 
1154912917 M * Hurga- ok... it just looks like newvserver fails in that case (if you run udev)
1154912920 M * Bertl Aiken: hmm hmm, where does the context get involved here?
1154912942 M * Aiken chcontext --xid 100 ./cow-test
1154912960 M * Hurga- bj: loopback? (127.0.0.1)
1154912993 M * Bertl bj: you can simply allow vertain guest to communicate over the 'public' ips
1154913005 M * Bertl bj: this traffic will not leave the host
1154913034 M * Bertl bj: example: guest A 200.0.0.1 guest B 200.0.0.2
1154913035 M * bj hm will not ? Oh ok, that solves it
1154913047 M * Bertl when they talk to each other, the traffic will go over lo
1154913067 M * bj thanks for the help ! :) I'll try that
1154913082 M * Bertl bj: you're welcome!
1154913796 M * bondovy AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   MONKEYS!!!!!!
1154913821 M * doener o.O
1154913861 A * doener has no monkey smiley at hand
1154913861 M * bondovy stupid monkey
1154913891 M * bondovy (takes shot gun out and shots wildly at stupid monkey)
1154913900 M * bondovy die damn you
1154913947 M * Bertl see folks, that happens when you take too much ...
1154913968 M * doener the poor mirror he shot... ;)
1154913985 M * bondovy Damn this html and flash coding ahh im seen the super stupid monkey!!
1154914037 M * doener maybe you want to try #bitching'n'whining?
1154914056 M * bondovy Waaaa waaa waaaaa waaaaaaa waaa stupid monkey waaaaaa
1154914068 M * bondovy it didnt work
1154914076 M * bondovy im fucking pissed off!
1154914085 M * bondovy and on prosack
1154914097 M * bondovy the fucking html isnt working
1154914101 M * Bertl good, maybe you can be that somewhere else too ...
1154914134 M * bondovy im so sick of every time i wright a html it never runs right
1154914164 M * Bertl html is no language, so it is not executed, so it doesn't actually 'run' ever ...
1154914177 M * Bertl s/language/programming language/
1154914416 Q * Greek0 Quit: brb
1154914443 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1154914525 Q * Greek0 
1154914949 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1154914972 M * bondovy sup Lgreek0
1154915317 Q * Hurga- Remote host closed the connection
1154916432 Q * bondovy 
1154919213 Q * meandtheshell Quit: bye bye ... 
1154920618 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-048.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1154920947 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154921465 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good one everyone, cya!
1154921471 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1154923346 N * Aiken_ Aiken
1154923684 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06D64.dip.t-dialin.net
1154923731 M * coocoon morning
1154924404 J * g0pher g0pher@c-71-57-132-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net
1154924407 M * g0pher hi
1154924624 Q * g0pher 
1154926158 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Atlantica.US.TO
1154926158 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection
1154927821 N * Savvy Savvy`zzZZ
1154928064 M * Radiance might sound stupid, but loading modules within a vserver is possible ?
1154929161 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154929383 M * Radiance ah nvm :)
1154929840 M * cehteh Radiance: yes, but you might not want that for ssecurity reasons
1154930306 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Atlantica.US
1154930703 Q * Radiance Remote host closed the connection
1154931045 J * Radiance 249e0d2211@halt.1984world.eu
1154931444 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1154931589 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06D64.dip.t-dialin.net
1154932029 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154932237 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1154934225 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976A20.dip.t-dialin.net
1154934308 Q * Hunger charon.oftc.net europa.oftc.net
1154934743 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1154935090 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Atlantica.US
1154935657 N * Skram SkramDaMan
1154935883 Q * Hunger charon.oftc.net europa.oftc.net
1154935947 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204
1154936027 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1154936901 Q * [PUPPETS]Gonzo oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1154937288 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1154937324 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1154937430 Q * Hunger arion.oftc.net europa.oftc.net
1154937593 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1154937722 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154937892 J * wei123 wei123@220-138-54-200.dynamic.hinet.net
1154937916 P * wei123 
1154939495 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1154939656 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1154939837 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.105.126
1154940998 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976A20.dip.t-dialin.net
1154941053 Q * Viper0482 
1154941553 Q * insomnia1 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154941898 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087976A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1154942227 Q * pisc1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154942491 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1154942532 J * Hollow ~hollow@2001:a60:f026::1
1154942656 J * pisc1 ~pampel@p50879F41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1154942922 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154943069 M * pisc1 hi, it is possile to share or apply scsi devices to vservers?
1154944188 N * Savvy`zzZZ Savvy
1154944198 M * phedny Philips Savvy?
1154944226 M * Savvy ??
1154944237 M * phedny maybe that's where you picked the name ;)
1154944244 M * phedny Philips Savvy is a mobile phone model
1154944300 M * Savvy no
1154944333 M * Savvy it is was "Sutekin away"
1154944995 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio48.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1154945477 Q * Milf Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154945536 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1154945807 Q * derjohn Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154946567 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-240-229.pools.arcor-ip.net
1154948145 J * WhataDUCK ~id@p508119F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1154948159 M * WhataDUCK good morning #vserver
1154948165 N * WhataDUCK id23
1154948599 M * Savvy good morning
1154948754 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154949219 J * _Kara ~Kashira@ip-80-226-182-141.vodafone-net.de
1154949223 M * _Kara good mornin
1154949251 M * doener morning
1154949253 J * renihs ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1154949588 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1154949713 M * renihs hmm any known problems using vserver-utils/sources with gcc-4.1.1? 
1154950237 J * Zaki_ ~Zaki@212.107.126.159
1154950398 Q * Zaki Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154951122 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154951207 M * Roey hi all
1154951227 M * Roey Zaki_:  ivrit?
1154951233 P * Zoiah 
1154951881 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1154952291 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio48.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1154952668 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154952817 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154953215 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1154953620 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1154954888 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-38-155.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1154955345 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1154955378 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06D64.dip.t-dialin.net
1154955615 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154956156 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1154959154 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976A20.dip.t-dialin.net
1154959738 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
1154960018 Q * lilo2 Remote host closed the connection
1154960053 J * lilo2 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org
1154960174 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1154960206 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154960903 Q * renihs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154960931 J * renihs ~penguin@83-65-34-34.arsenal.xdsl-line.inode.at
1154962175 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1154962887 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154963186 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1154964908 Q * id23 Quit: Leaving
1154965179 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154965338 Q * _Kara 
1154965585 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1154965596 M * SkramDaMan w
1154965993 J * rgl Rui@217.129.151.190
1154965996 M * rgl hello
1154966069 M * rgl I'm giving vserver a try after watching the vserver presentation (which as pretty cool, btw ;)
1154966167 M * rgl I'm on debian sarge, so I'm trying to use the backports.org repository, but when I try to apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-vserver-686 it seems to pull some weird dependencies, have a look at http://pastie.caboo.se/7546 and tell me if this is Ok :)
1154966205 J * _SCORPION_ ~Kacak-4-@85.99.158.58
1154966468 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1154966599 Q * renihs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154966693 Q * _SCORPION_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154967027 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154967106 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1154967112 M * doener morning Bertl 
1154967116 M * Bertl morning folks!
1154967203 M * Bertl rgl: well, those are somewhat weird, but I guess they are fine for debian :)
1154967222 M * Bertl rgl: the WTH video?
1154967276 M * rgl Bertl, they were not fine, maks from #debian-kernel explained to me what should I do :)    the new packages are more sane: http://pastie.caboo.se/7549 
1154967298 M * Bertl ah, and _what_ did you change?
1154967303 M * doener rgl: those packages are required to built the initramfs
1154967333 M * rgl Bertl, yup, the wth_linux_vserver_140.mp4 video :D
1154967338 M * doener ah yeah, that looks a bit better
1154967389 M * Bertl rgl: ah, so you actually didn't try to use the backports :)
1154967398 M * Bertl (in the first attempt)
1154967418 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A07E02.dip.t-dialin.net
1154967436 M * rgl Bertl, I did, but was unpinning the needed packages by hand, which resulted is few packages being unpinned :D
1154967476 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.36.236
1154967498 M * rgl Bertl, I just need to put http://pastie.caboo.se/7551 and use apt-get -t sarge-backports ...
1154967518 M * Bertl rgl: well maks should know .. so now you know too and it should work fine ...
1154967530 M * rgl I hope so heheh
1154967613 M * Bertl wb coocoon! bonbons!
1154967617 M * coocoon hey bertl
1154967657 M * rgl from were are you guys?   /me is from Portugal :D
1154967707 M * Bertl Austria here ...
1154967791 M * rgl so its not morning over there ;)
1154967814 M * Bertl ah, that's BUT (Bertl Universal Time) and I just got up :)
1154967846 M * rgl ehehe
1154967865 M * doener rgl: we have a dev-map ;) http://vwiki.croup.de/Developers
1154967893 M * Bertl ah, right, almost forgot that one ...
1154967916 M * rgl woah, I'm actually speaking with the guy that gave the talk *G*
1154967929 M * rgl nice talk Bertl ;)
1154967935 M * Bertl thanks! :)
1154967970 M * Bertl glad to hear that you liked it ...
1154968053 M * bonbons hey Bertl and everyone!
1154968176 M * SkramDaMan could I get some general kernel help?
1154968199 M * SkramDaMan Specifically: 
1154968200 M * SkramDaMan VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) 
1154968230 M * Bertl SkramDaMan: usually at #kenelnebies, but this basically means that your root fs was not specified/found
1154968248 M * SkramDaMan so, it needs to be specified in grub
1154968254 M * SkramDaMan root=/dev/sda3 isnt right?
1154968267 M * SkramDaMan should it be real_root=/dev/sda3? *shrug
1154968271 M * Bertl i.e. you specified (od didn't specify) a root=xy which doesn't exist when this is written
1154968283 M * SkramDaMan but..
1154968290 M * SkramDaMan it does, i tinkj
1154968292 M * SkramDaMan arg
1154968299 M * Bertl the problem is, you probably use (or want to use) an initrd or initramfs
1154968307 M * SkramDaMan i used to
1154968310 M * SkramDaMan this one I didnt..
1154968325 M * Bertl and the drivers for sda3 are probably on that very same initrd
1154968328 M * SkramDaMan how do I make the initramgs.. i used to use genkernel
1154968339 M * SkramDaMan how do i make a new initrd
1154968353 M * Bertl here I do: mkinitrd or mkinitramfs
1154968413 M * SkramDaMan cp linux-2.6.17.7-vs2.02-rc27/ linux-2.6.17.7-vs2.02-rc27-build -r
1154968415 M * SkramDaMan woops
1154968511 M * SkramDaMan Bertl: i think you are right..
1154968549 M * SkramDaMan i just dont know how to make an initrd.. ill see which i used, initrd or initramfs in a second when the backup of the kernel finishes and i will see
1154968572 M * Bertl btw, for the kernel it is more than sufficient to do:
1154968590 M * Bertl cp -la linux-2.6.17.7-vs2.02-rc27 linux-2.6.17.7-vs2.02-rc27.save
1154968597 M * SkramDaMan okay
1154968608 M * Bertl this will create hard links instead of a real copy
1154968612 M * SkramDaMan initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.14-vs2.0.1-gentoo
1154968616 M * SkramDaMan is what i did for the old kernel
1154968623 M * Bertl but be careful if your editor does not know how to break hard links
1154968628 M * SkramDaMan so i need to do that again
1154969177 J * insomniac ~insomniac@slackware.it
1154969184 M * Bertl wb insomniac!
1154969190 M * insomniac hi Bertl !
1154969316 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1154970108 M * doener Bertl: (OT) http://rafb.net/paste/results/k9Mvst89.html -- could you explain how that leads to half a minute of polling?
1154970399 M * Bertl doener: check out msleep() :)
1154970403 J * dna ~naucki@84-200-dsl.kielnet.net
1154970524 M * Bertl wb dna!
1154970577 M * dna hi
1154970778 M * doener I still end up around 1 second :(
1154971079 M * doener ... with HZ=100, with HZ=1 i get to about 2 minutes, but that doesn't look like an explanation ;)
1154971557 M * Bertl well, the msleep does not guarantee anything but a minimal sleep time
1154971606 M * doener which seems to be 2 jiffies for 10msecs at HZ=100
1154971637 M * Bertl which can be _any_ scheduling time actually
1154971725 M * Bertl we have so much rain atm, that a new river is forming between our garden and the neighbour's garden
1154971746 M * doener *lol*
1154971764 M * Bertl means, I'm somewhat distracted, as I ahve to check that we do not get water in the basement
1154971793 A * doener still has no idea how that could consume 60 jiffies (assuming HZ=100)
1154971795 J * debugger_ Rui@217.129.151.190
1154971831 M * Bertl doener: well, what if some process is scheduled
1154971840 M * meandtheshell Bertl: lol - same here in Vienna - atm I'm looking outside my window to a couple of pigeons. They're looking pretty pissed because of that nasty weather :)
1154971849 M * Bertl doener: when will this thread get back some cpu?
1154971968 M * doener at the first timer interrupt after the requested number of jiffies has passed? but maybe priority comes into play and breaks my assumption and the max timeslice is about 60 jiffies?
1154972008 M * Bertl something like that, could be a disk io thread or whatever doing some work, no?
1154972263 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154972413 N * debugger_ rgl
1154972479 M * rgl woah, finally got the vserver kernel running *G*
1154972482 M * rgl tho, some "odd" messages appear on the boot, can you look at http://www.ruilopes.com/tmp/linux-vserver-bootmessages.png and see the red "circles"?
1154972550 M * rgl meandtheshell, let them in ;)
1154972559 M * Bertl some udev issue, please report to the debian folks
1154972571 M * doener the first two are due to the debian udev config, the modules already loaded stuff is probably do to modules already loaded by your initramfs
1154972597 M * rgl Bertl, ah ok.  I'll thx :)
1154972607 M * doener and for the modules.d thing, updates-modules might help (just a wild guess)
1154972947 M * rgl doener, I see.  lemme try.  thx for the tips :)
1154973241 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl
1154973265 M * Bertl welcome matti :]
1154973273 M * matti Hello Bertl :-)
1154973308 M * matti How's thing going?
1154973323 M * Bertl fine fine, a lot of water actually but still fine
1154973452 M * matti Water?
1154973487 M * Bertl well, it's been raining here for over a week now, and we have a new river between the gardens :/
1154973511 M * matti :<
1154973519 M * matti Not really a good news.
1154973535 M * matti But, you're fine? I hope :)
1154973566 M * Bertl as I said, for now it's still fine, no water in the basement ... *knocking on wood*
1154973601 A * matti cross fingers.
1154973602 M * matti :)
1154973912 M * Hollow hey Bertl! do you have some minutes this evening to install redirects, change dns stuff and tar the current wikis htdocs for me?
1154973934 M * Bertl can't promise, but I will try
1154973978 M * Hollow ok, i will prepare things, and ping you later... i added some pages for the wiki relocation.. http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Wiki_Relocation
1154973985 M * matti Hi Hollow :)
1154973989 M * Hollow hey matti :)
1154973998 M * matti Wiki is on the move?
1154973999 M * matti ;]
1154974036 M * Hollow yep, i'm working on it :)
1154974049 M * matti ;]
1154974079 M * matti Hollow: Maybe you require some amount of coffee?
1154974079 M * matti ;]
1154974101 M * Hollow one or two cups can't hurt ;)
1154974107 M * matti :)
1154974123 A * matti hands a cup of fresh hot coffee to Hollow :)
1154974128 M * matti Enjoy!
1154974157 M * Hollow thanks!
1154974309 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1154974928 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1154974970 M * stefani hola
1154975008 M * rgl olá :)
1154975731 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A05EB9.dip.t-dialin.net
1154976127 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154976368 J * dos000 ~dos000@wsp05974758wss.cr.net.cable.rogers.com
1154976372 M * dos000 howdy
1154976412 M * dos000 i am following a tutorial http://www.telephreak.org/papers/vpa/ to create asteris inside vserver guests ...
1154976446 M * Bertl welcome dos000!
1154976455 M * dos000 i am wondering why they need to create /dev/vc in the guests ... i see there are /dev/vcs in there !
1154976459 M * dos000 Bertl, hey man
1154976500 M * dos000 anyone can explain if there is a diff between /dev/vcs and dev/vc ?
1154976630 M * dos000 hmmm .. there is no /dev/vcs in the guests ... where did  i see that !
1154976689 M * Bertl /dev/vc should be a dir containing the virtual consoles
1154976719 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-245.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1154976720 M * Bertl /dev/vcs is probably something else, but what's in a name :)
1154976727 M * Bertl welcome Aiken?
1154976780 M * dos000 Bertl, thanks .... merrrrzi meziio 
1154976788 M * Aiken good whatever
1154976858 M * micah Bertl: looks like ola has been busy: http://lwn.net/Articles/194259/
1154976913 M * micah Bertl: looks like openvz is getting another LARTing for another misleading press release *sigh*
1154976918 M * Roey oh
1154976928 M * Roey what the heck is up with openvz getting so much press lately
1154976989 M * dos000 Roey, the question is how come vserver does not get this many attention !
1154977018 M * Roey :)
1154977025 M * Roey openvz is essentially the same thing, right?
1154977028 M * Roey same approach rather
1154977030 M * micah what I want to know is why they use a windows characters set...
1154977040 M * micah Roey: they send out press releases?
1154977051 M * dos000 Roey, you are going to offend .. *some* ppl !
1154977052 M * Roey haha
1154977053 M * micah and spend money on promoting themselves (just like xen)
1154977059 M * Roey ok
1154977104 P * pisc1 
1154977865 M * rgl how can I make a guest that uses an existing debian installation that I have on a second harddrive?
1154977939 M * Bertl micah: well, you already know what OpenVZ is good at :)
1154977974 M * Bertl rgl: just copy it over somewhere
1154977998 M * rgl Bertl, I'm affraid I'm not following you :(
1154978006 M * Bertl rgl: and maybe remove the hardware related stuff
1154978020 M * Bertl rgl:  a linux-vserver guest is nothing more than a bunch of files
1154978035 M * Bertl rgl: the actual files you would have on a real system
1154978050 M * rgl I'm seeing that to create a guest I have to use vserver ... build ..., but so far all the example I've seen use debbootstrap :/
1154978058 M * Bertl so, what you basically do is create a skeleton (-m skeleton)
1154978076 M * Bertl (it's shown as example on the alpha util-vserver page)
1154978087 M * rgl http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Howtos_Linux-Vserver_Debian_Sarge
1154978102 M * rgl on that page there are some examples :D
1154978104 M * Bertl and copy those files (from your harddisk), excluding the /dev and /tmp dir to the newly created guest dir
1154978118 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1154978175 M * rgl ah thx :)
1154978217 M * Hollow Bertl: we will get better (even at PR :P)
1154978263 M * Hollow let's make a big announce for 2.2 and the new wiki ;)
1154978299 M * Bertl micah: what I wonder is that nobody from debian stated that they already have Linux-VServer for ages
1154978343 M * Bertl (and although the quality did take some time, it was really one of the first distros 'adopting' it :)
1154978406 M * Bertl but hey, Microsoft(TM,R,X) does also excellent PR and nobody sane or security aware would use it ...
1154978646 M * rgl how do I remove a vserver guest?  its enough to rm /etc/vserver/example?  but it doesn't seem so, because some files are at /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/ :/
1154978675 M * Bertl basically a guest consists of the 'contents' and the config
1154978686 M * Bertl the config is located in /etc/vservers/<NAME>
1154978700 M * Bertl the .defaults is valid for all guests
1154978757 M * rgl what is the 'contents'?
1154978806 M * rgl its the directory that contains all the binaries?  the one pointed by vdir?
1154978827 M * rgl eg, /etc/vservers/example/vdir/ ?
1154978830 M * Bertl yep, usually in /vservers/<NAME>
1154978847 M * Bertl (or wherever you did 'install' the guest)
1154978875 M * rgl ah, so I just have to copy all the distribution files to vdir/ :D
1154978883 N * Savvy Savvy`zZ
1154978910 M * Bertl yes, but as I said, save the /dev dir and remove the /tmp contents
1154978929 M * rgl and then override the copy with the contents of /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/example/, correct?
1154978934 M * Bertl you want the skeleton's /dev to make your guest secure
1154978962 M * Bertl (the/dev dir will be created by the skeleton method)
1154978998 J * debugger_ Rui@217.129.151.190
1154979014 M * Bertl wb rgl :)
1154979043 N * debugger_ rgl_
1154979047 M * rgl_ :D
1154979180 M * Bertl is that your provider?
1154979354 M * micah Bertl: I think someone is going to be saying that soon
1154979373 M * Bertl micah: okay, good to know, tx!
1154979448 Q * rgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154979491 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner now .. back later ...
1154979497 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1154979546 Q * dna Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154979705 N * _mcp mcp
1154979863 N * rgl_ rgl
1154979872 M * rgl Bertl_oO, my provider?
1154979909 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-72.dclient.hispeed.ch
1154980500 M * rgl Bertl_oO, woah, it worked :))
1154981812 Q * yarihm Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154982106 J * tatiane ~tatiane@201009109134.user.veloxzone.com.br
1154982145 Q * tatiane 
1154982528 Q * dos000 Quit: Leaving
1154982594 J * pisco ~pampel@p50879F41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1154982780 Q * rgl Quit: Fui embora
1154982836 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-72.dclient.hispeed.ch
1154983818 J * ZIP ~asdf@203.210.216.248
1154984184 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1154984287 J * Hurga nobody@p508A9220.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1154984298 M * Hurga Hiya.
1154984338 Q * ZIP 
1154984817 J * HomeRoey ~abc@207-172-89-19.c3-0.bth-ubr7.lnh-bth.md.cable.rcn.com
1154984819 M * HomeRoey hi all
1154984821 M * HomeRoey Bertl_oO:  hi!
1154984825 M * HomeRoey question for you all
1154984832 M * HomeRoey openvz does openvpn already.
1154984859 M * HomeRoey seriously, how long is it gonna take until VServer supports OpenVPN intrinsically?
1154984889 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1154984900 M * HomeRoey hey Bertl!!
1154985084 M * Bertl hey HomeRoey! 
1154985094 M * HomeRoey Bertl:  so what do you say about the above
1154985095 M * HomeRoey ?
1154985144 M * HomeRoey do apt-get update
1154985149 M * HomeRoey and then apt-cache policy konqueror
1154985166 M * HomeRoey apt-cache policy shows you the latest version installable
1154985169 M * HomeRoey doh
1154985174 M * HomeRoey wrong chan, my bad
1154985564 M * Bertl HomeRoey: http://lxc.sourceforge.net/bench/
1154985610 M * Bertl HomeRoey: Linux-VServer is mainly about performance and flexibility, complete (system) virtualization has a lot overhead we do not want for several reasons
1154985644 M * HomeRoey arggg :(
1154985654 M * HomeRoey I'm considering just going to vmware.
1154985665 M * Bertl HomeRoey: complete network virtualization as OVZ does it is not something 'we' really want ... but that doesn't mean we will not make the current system _more_ convenient
1154985677 M * HomeRoey xen is annoying, openvz has similar issues to VServer and VServer, whiel great, is also a hassle to administer 
1154985683 M * HomeRoey esp. with openvpn.
1154985691 M * HomeRoey in my experience anyway
1154985702 M * HomeRoey (I don't mean to dictate to people what to think)
1154985704 M * Bertl in addition, mainline kernel is 'working' on proper network virtualization at a very low layer
1154985712 M * HomeRoey working
1154985716 M * Bertl (and we are working with them :)
1154985719 M * HomeRoey I've heard this "working" word for over a year now
1154985720 M * HomeRoey :(
1154985729 M * Hurga Bertl: I have some kernel errors here...
1154985730 M * HomeRoey this feature is always somehow on the horizon
1154985734 M * HomeRoey I'll see ya later
1154985735 M * HomeRoey bbiab.
1154985737 M * HomeRoey ciao.
1154985740 M * Bertl well, good things take time, get a compiler and do something yourself ...
1154985748 M * brc_ people come here just to complain
1154985749 M * brc_ they should pay :P
1154985756 M * Bertl HomeRoey: or pay somebody to do so if you cant :)
1154985775 M * brc_ i dont see XEN nor UML on that graphics
1154985791 M * brc_ hard to understand it should be turned 90 degrees
1154985811 M * Bertl that's because it was of no real interest (xen or uml are much slower in many regards)
1154985814 M * Hurga hassle to administer? Hey, the folks at my workplace like it so much that they want me to consolidate more servers on vserver indeed.
1154985843 M * Bertl Hurga: yes, that happens all over ...
1154985861 M * Bertl Hurga: doesn't mean that we cannot make it simpler and/or better :)
1154985886 M * brc_ having openvpn to work would really be nice. After quota and iptables :) 
1154985912 M * Hurga Bertl: kernel errors. Badness in dst_release at include/net/dst.h:153. pastebin?
1154985937 M * Bertl brc_: well, to repeat myself once again, quota is not really an issue iif somebody is going to test it extensively
1154985957 M * Bertl brc_: iptables imho could be worked around by a little helper
1154985966 M * Hurga brc_: I need quota myself :)
1154985993 M * Hurga What's the problem with iptables?
1154985996 M * Bertl brc_: vpn and tunneling requires low level networking, which is a kind of security issue
1154986009 M * Bertl Hurga: brc_ means per guest iptables
1154986018 M * Hurga ah, ok
1154986024 M * Bertl Hurga: have seen that some time ago, but please uplaod
1154986025 M * Hurga Not so important for me.
1154986034 M * brc_ Bertl i will have that script ready. I'm really with lot of work but that is one of my priorities
1154986044 M * brc_ I just have not done it yet cause i wouldn't have money to eat :P
1154986065 M * Bertl brc_: np, I'm not urging you .. it's the uther way round :)
1154986070 M * brc_ :)
1154986070 M * Bertl *other
1154986085 M * brc_ You will see how linux-vserver will spread aroung after having iptables+quota
1154986093 M * brc_ it will be the ideal environment for commercial hostings.
1154986103 M * Bertl well, we had quota on 2.4, and it was basically unmaintained
1154986115 M * Bertl s/unmaintained/unused/
1154986121 M * brc_ I don't see many commercial VPS provider using linux-vserver
1154986123 M * brc_ that's why
1154986134 M * brc_ they basically choose the easiest options which are virtuozzo or xen
1154986154 M * Hurga Bertl: http://pastebin.ca/121274
1154986173 M * Bertl brc_: http://linux-vserver.org/VServer+Hosting
1154986191 M * Hurga Bertl: quota in 2.4 worked for me... somewow. Sometimes :)
1154986214 M * Hurga It worked from the shell, but ftp was circumventing it... 
1154986232 M * brc_ Bertl: i know, but the "biggest" ones use the other tecnolgoies
1154986238 M * Bertl Hurga: interesting ...
1154986251 M * brc_ it is sometimes hard for vps customers to manage their clients without quota and iptables
1154986263 M * brc_ And without those commercial webhosting panels i told you 
1154986274 M * Bertl brc_: well, I don't care about the 'biggest' ones, they have other criteria ... they usually do not work well with free software
1154986290 M * brc_ I will stop talking and start the quota script
1154986291 M * brc_ hehehe
1154986297 M * brc_ but i tell you that page is gonna be 3 times bigger..
1154986299 M * Bertl brc_: for them it is important to have somebody to sue if something goes wrong
1154986302 A * Hurga is in the process of moving everything to Ubuntu Dapper, vserver on LVM, and gives quota another try.
1154986310 M * brc_ i don't know if you got what i mean
1154986334 M * brc_ I am just trying to say that for a hosting company it is hard to manage clietns without those tools
1154986346 M * brc_ but if you are not on a commercial environment that is not a problem
1154986354 M * Bertl brc_: trust me, I got it .. not sure if that is mutual
1154986415 M * brc_ hehehe :)
1154986422 M * Bertl brc_: lycos for example did their tools themselves, naturally as they do not want to pay a lot of royalties and/or use other commercial products
1154986538 M * brc_ got it
1154986586 M * Bertl but let me state that once again too, we are not against those commercial admin/frontend/management platforms
1154986611 M * Bertl on the contrary, we try to support them wherever possible and reasonable
1154986652 M * Bertl and very often, those tools, while there is usually no source code :) available, can easily be tweaked into working quite fine
1154986664 M * Hurga We should have vserver working nicely, that's all what matters... there definetely are people who like it and use it.
1154986669 M * Bertl (by just adding a few script wrappers and such)
1154986673 M * brc_ cpanel is nice, you try it yourself :)
1154986694 M * brc_ should
1154986702 M * Bertl url for the source package?
1154986726 M * Hurga Bertl: did you manage to have a look at the errors? (I'd prefer not to have my server kernel panicing on me, it's some 250 km away)
1154986778 M * Bertl which kernel is that?
1154986784 M * brc_ www.cpanel.com
1154986822 M * brc_ yes i find vserver nice too. it is my favorite virtualization tecnologi
1154986869 M * Hurga Bertl: The one from http://www2.uni-klu.ac.at/support/VServer
1154987331 M * Bertl Hurga: okay, maybe try with 2.6.17.7 or so?
1154987356 M * Bertl (reminds me of some issues with 2.6.13 or 14, no idea what kernel you actually have)
1154987400 M * Bertl brc_: I don't see any link thee to download the source :)
1154987480 M * Hurga Bertl: It's not easy to switch kernels... this is the Ubuntu semi-supported one (original Ubuntu kernel patched to vserver)
1154987493 M * brc_ Bertl: they don't offer the sources. It is a commercial web hosting panel. You should also check www.directadmin.com , www.ensim.com
1154987501 M * brc_ and www.plesk.com
1154987507 M * brc_ those are the most famous commercial web hosting control panels
1154987508 M * Hurga And I'n not sure what my server does if I put something entirely different on it.
1154987514 M * Bertl brc_: so why would I install potential spyware?
1154987565 M * Bertl Hurga: no problem with that, as far as I remember it was harmless but annoing
1154987566 M * brc_ Bertl: those are well known companies, people trust them. :) Anyway, they are just frontends for most services configurations, so they would just spy what you codnigure
1154987605 M * Hurga Bertl: ok, thanks for the info :)
1154987633 Q * Savvy`zZ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154987701 M * Bertl brc_: well, they could send everything you do somewhere, like M$ does :)
1154987735 M * brc_ they don't patch apache, sendmail, etc. Just offer a frontend for configurations, bandwith management, quota management, etc
1154987738 M * brc_ no sniffers
1154987839 M * Bertl well, I'm not trying to make them bad, I'm just trying to communicate to you that this kind of software is not acceptable for me :)
1154987879 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1154987886 M * brc_ hhehe i also prefer not to use them, and there are many people like us. But there is also the other side. Anyway, if i had a hosting company i would have to use them
1154987906 M * brc_ There is no opensource project that would offer half of the functionalities it has
1154987937 M * brc_ I don't need them, but customers like them. Since they can choose, they would go for the one that has :)
1154987963 M * Bertl well, IIRC, webadmin does a lot
1154987971 M * brc_ webmin ?
1154987996 M * Bertl yep
1154988011 M * brc_ that is different. the purpose of those panels are:
1154988017 M * brc_ Administrador creates users or resellers
1154988029 M * brc_ Users log in and are able to create e-mails, ftp accounts, databases, monitor theyr usage, etc
1154988037 M * brc_ Resellers with limited access can create users
1154988038 M * brc_ ---
1154988063 M * brc_ All that is done in a nice and easy gui. So anyone can use it easily
1154988099 M * SkramDaMan hey, brc_ 
1154988143 M * brc_ Skram! Sup bro :)
1154988148 M * SkramDaMan Hiya :)
1154988166 M * SkramDaMan www.impulsecorp.com
1154988172 M * SkramDaMan wrong window-- sowwy
1154988178 Q * yarihm Read error: Connection reset by peer
1154988181 M * brc_ ok
1154988188 M * SkramDaMan Sup?
1154988194 M * Bertl brc_: have you checked usermin or virtmin from the webmin family yet?
1154988197 M * brc_ So, did you suceed geting vserver to work on centos ?
1154988204 M * SkramDaMan brc_: Indeed
1154988239 M * brc_ Bertl: i really don't remember. Those panels are created mainly for hosting. i will give you access when i get one up so you can check it yourself
1154988246 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-119-72.dclient.hispeed.ch
1154988268 M * Bertl brc_: or http://www.vhcs.net/new/
1154988308 M * Bertl (not sure how good or bad it actually is)
1154988311 M * brc_ Some of my clients use vhcs or syscp (www.syscp.de) Both of them are nice panels
1154988315 M * brc_ VHCS is really good
1154988329 M * brc_ but doesn't support mail quota and lot of other stuff
1154988355 M * brc_ when i say mail quota i mean per user and per domain mail quota, which can be managed and monitored by the panel :)
1154988385 M * SkramDaMan I know a lot about the hosting industry.. ill chime in some day, just is very frustrating considering some of the people out there
1154988398 M * SkramDaMan :)
1154988476 M * SkramDaMan Especially the shared hosting market sector
1154988549 M * brc_ Do you work with hosting ?
1154988630 M * SkramDaMan Used to do more with Shared Hosting.. do some VPS hosting these days
1154988634 M * SkramDaMan nothing major
1154988669 M * brc_ Did you work with any control panel ?
1154988677 M * SkramDaMan CPanel briefly... 
1154988694 M * brc_ what do you think about the opensource panels ?
1154988707 M * SkramDaMan A company a do A LITTLE work with these days (like onehour a day doing catch-up support stuff) has their own custom one
1154988711 M * SkramDaMan brc_: *sigh*
1154988719 M * SkramDaMan I like working with clients directly
1154988728 M * SkramDaMan never really used VHCS
1154988749 M * SkramDaMan webmin is good for administering a server.. webhosting? I dont think so.. but I never even tried it for that
1154988765 M * SkramDaMan I also like the CLI... so I dont use it at all except when I tried installing it just to make sure I could, etc.
1154988828 M * brc_ that's what i think about webmin
1154988878 M * brc_ skram, gimme a little shellscript help
1154988888 M * SkramDaMan im no guru
1154988890 M * SkramDaMan heh
1154988892 M * brc_ Is it possible to know when a proccess in bg is finished ?
1154988903 M * SkramDaMan i.e., never done that
1154988912 M * brc_ i am going to spawn the same proccess three times and want to go on when all those are finished
1154988912 M * brc_ ok
1154988913 M * brc_ :)
1154988924 M * SkramDaMan say what
1154988925 M * SkramDaMan one sec
1154988930 M * SkramDaMan o ok
1154988935 M * SkramDaMan spawn them all at the same time?
1154988944 M * brc_ no
1154988946 M * brc_ i want to know when they are all finished
1154988947 M * brc_ just found a way
1154988950 M * SkramDaMan okay
1154988954 M * SkramDaMan well, i was gonna check some code
1154988955 M * SkramDaMan but oaky
1154988956 M * SkramDaMan :P
1154988960 M * brc_ :)
1154988976 M * Bertl it's 'wait', btw
1154988994 M * SkramDaMan :)
1154988999 M * brc_ thanks bertl
1154989040 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1154991397 M * Bertl Roey: to answer your questions from the 'other' channel:
1154991410 M * Bertl - you probably can convert guest quite easily
1154991426 M * Bertl - you cannot have both vitualizations in the kernel
1154991876 M * Hurga is it possible to bind ntpd to a specific IP address?
1154991917 M * Bertl yep
1154991959 M * Hurga Which one? I just found a web page telling me it isn't possible :)
1154991968 M * Bertl OpenNTPD IIRC
1154991977 M * Hurga thx!
1154992147 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1154994571 Q * s0undt3ch Quit: leaving
1154994763 M * FaUl Bertl: have you considered to commit the ipv6patch into developement-sources?
1154994879 A * Hurga perks his ears. "ipv6? What does the patch do?"
1154994932 M * FaUl Hurga: enables vserver to get ipv6-virtualisation like the v4-virtualisation if I got that right
1154994973 M * Hurga ah... so there's no ipv6 inside the vservers yet?
1154994995 M * FaUl nope
1154994998 M * FaUl unfortunatly not
1154995007 M * Hurga aw, that's a pity....
1154995012 M * Bertl well, there was no real need yet
1154995025 M * Bertl and you _can_ have ipv6 on the host
1154995043 A * Hurga was looking forward to have ipv6 on his vserver now, after the upgrade...
1154995066 M * Bertl you can check bonbons patches for now
1154995080 M * Bertl we will integrate this kind of functionality pretty soon
1154995110 M * Bertl i.e. right after the upcoming stable release(s)
1154995118 M * FaUl Bertl: ah, excellent ;-)
1154995164 M * FaUl where are these patches - seems that i'm to blind to find the link in the wiki though i was sure that i've seen it before
1154995196 M * Bertl http://homepage.internet.lu/brunop/vserver/