1154824382 Q * AndrewLee Server closed connection 1154824387 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw 1154827692 Q * gerrit_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154828041 J * lilo2_ ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1154828099 Q * lilo2 Remote host closed the connection 1154828313 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A07DB7.dip.t-dialin.net 1154828521 J * gerrit_ gerrit@66.46.95.230 1154828558 Q * Belu_zZz Server closed connection 1154831678 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1154832100 M * Nam hey guys 1154832107 M * Bertl hey Nam! 1154832122 M * Nam hey Bertl, how's it going? 1154832135 M * Bertl fine, tx, and for you? 1154832150 M * Nam i'm good 1154832153 M * bj does anyone know if it is possible to have a "127.0.0.1" lo interface inside each virtual server additional to a already given eth0 10.0.0.x e.g ? 1154832160 M * Nam wondering something about the vservers... 1154832174 M * Nam can you assign new ip's without having to reboot the vserver? 1154832189 M * Bertl bj: yes, no problem, but a) no actual need for that, and b) you lower security this way 1154832202 M * Bertl Nam: yes, you can, with recent devel kernels 1154832245 M * bj Bertl: hm, lower security ? Well its just that a lot of installed applications refer to localhost and 127.0.0.1 directly which gives me headache because I have to change it to the eth0 address everywhere 1154832282 M * Bertl bj: no, no sane app refers to 127.0.0.1 directly, and localhost is advised to point to the first ip assigned 1154832299 M * bj Bertl: could you give me a hint where I can configure an additional lo interface ? 1154832314 M * bj Bertl: mail apps are all insane ;/ 1154832332 M * Bertl no, postfix works for example perfectly fine 1154832340 M * Bertl (without adding any lo or such) 1154832364 M * Bertl same is true for sendmail and exim, ah, and qmail of course 1154832384 M * Nam 2.6.17.7-vs2.0.2-rc27 would work with that? 1154832392 M * bj hm, well just for the sake of tweaking and learning, where would I add such an lo interface Bertl ? 1154832410 M * Bertl bj: simple, to the /etc/vservers//interfaces 1154832420 M * Bertl Nam: dynamic adding of ips? no 1154832430 M * Nam which version do? 1154832435 M * bj hm, I'll think a bit about it, thanks Bertl ! 1154832525 M * Bertl Nam: most of the 2.1.x releases 1154832562 M * Nam ahh.... 1154832610 M * Nam any idea on when that's going to be out of devel? or... what level of development it's at? 1154832659 M * Bertl yes, we will 'soon' have a new stable branch (i.e. 2.1.x will get out of developemnt) 1154832693 M * Bertl as the 'stable' release was somewhat delayed (rc28 says it all), the devel got pretty stable 1154832727 M * Nam months? weeks? ... Just wondering, because I'm basing a product off of vserver support, so, this would greatly make things easier ;) 1154832751 M * Bertl I'd say a few months at most 1154832766 M * Nam once we get going, i'll talk my boss into donating hardware/bandwidth/money btw 1154832777 M * Bertl sounds good 1154832781 M * Nam we are starting a data center 1154832835 M * Nam I'm using the vserver+grsec patches by harry right now 1154832868 M * Nam you guys have been doing good work *gives two thumbs up* 1154832954 M * Bertl thanks a lot! (in the name of the linux-vserver folks) 1154832981 M * Nam np, I really hope that our company takes off, and helps you guys out as much as possible 1154833224 Q * starlein Server closed connection 1154833262 J * starlein star@fo0bar.de 1154833569 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1154833574 M * Nam you ever seen this before Bertl? http://www.levanta.com/ 1154834078 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.01, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0, exp 2.{0.2,1.1}-rc28, stable+grsec 2.0.2-rc27 | util-vserver-0.30.210 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1154834078 T * Bertl - 1154834092 M * Bertl micah: excellent 1154834096 M * Nam it's a huge project, so, I really don't know where it ends yet 1154834106 M * Nam we are possible even going into home automation as well with it 1154834115 M * Nam so it could manage an entire office building 1154834213 M * micah Bertl: how are things going with you? I've been seeing the new wiki developing, that looks really nie 1154834219 M * micah Nam: sounds like a big project! 1154834224 M * Nam totally 1154834236 M * Nam i've been working on it alone, for about 2 years now 1154834252 M * Nam we are just finally getting close to ready production state, and bringing on more people to help 1154834333 M * Bertl micah: things are fine here, although I need to reserve more time for linux-vserver in the near future ... 1154834336 M * Nam the problem i'll have with opensourcing it... is figuring out an install procedure, which the average person can understand 1154834337 M * Nam hehe 1154834349 M * micah sounds interesting... there needs to be a good free software cpanel that can handle vservers 1154834353 M * Nam well.. average linux user 1154834368 M * Nam totally 1154834370 M * Bertl Nam: well, that is not a problem or a reason for not open sourcing it .. 1154834393 M * Bertl Nam: if somebody cannot handle whatever you release, so be it, no harm done 1154834403 M * Nam well. personally, when I want to release a opensource project with my name one it, I want it to be worthy 1154834410 M * Nam by my standards 1154834415 M * Nam right now... it ain't there 1154834432 M * Nam yea, i know 1154834454 M * Nam i may just opensource parts of it 1154834470 M * Nam it's a large project with many parts 1154834479 M * micah Bertl: good to hear, you are lucky you haven't been here the past few weeks, the weather has been horrible 1154834500 M * Nam oh hey... you'll probably both like this feature... 1154834544 M * Bertl micah: how so? 1154834565 M * Nam we have built a custom content management system, which allows you to make a website which controlls ALL of the system features,... so you could essentually make your own control panel for your users instead of requiring them to use the control panel we built into the system 1154834622 M * micah Bertl: its been up to 46 degrees celsius for many days the last few weeks, all night never being nice by cooling down 1154834635 M * Nam anyone can make a hotmail/yahoo site with a few clicks, or a what ever things people can come up with, full control of everything from dns, email, websites, voip accounts/events, what ever ;) 1154834666 M * Bertl micah: 46C is indeed somewhat extreem, we had around 35/36C here 1154834678 M * Nam humidity? 1154834700 M * Bertl most of the time not very high 1154834701 M * Nam is it a dry heat? 1154834706 M * Nam ah 1154834714 M * Nam man, i tell ya, your lucky for that 1154834718 M * Nam here, it's sooo humid 1154834729 M * Nam it gets 30, it feels like 45+ 1154834748 M * Bertl yeah, that's true, higher humidity makes it worse 1154834758 M * Nam totally 1154834763 M * Nam makes you sweat like a pig 1154834779 M * Bertl do you know how pigs sweat? 1154834785 M * Nam no 1154834793 M * Nam i was thinking about that "saying" myself 1154834797 M * Bertl hehe :) 1154834816 M * Nam do pigs even sweat? 1154834822 M * Nam maybe they are like dogs 1154834824 M * Nam they pant 1154834842 M * Nam or they roll in their poo 1154834921 M * micah Nam: sounds like fun :) 1154834933 M * Nam that wouldn't make sense though... isn't it hot when it comes out?.... or maybe they wait for it to cool down 1154834935 M * Nam hehehe 1154834948 M * micah the humidity has been something like 65%, so it could be worse, but 46 degrees is a lot 1154834958 M * Nam hehe, submit it to mythbusters 1154834977 M * micah anyways, I'm off to bed now, just wanted to say hi! 1154834984 M * Nam hi! 1154834988 M * Nam bye! 1154834990 M * Bertl micah: have a good night then! 1154834991 M * Nam ;) 1154835000 M * Nam have a good sleep 1154837039 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.105.126 1154837261 J * nammie ~nam@S0106001195551ff0.va.shawcable.net 1154837281 M * Bertl wb Zaki! nammie? 1154837302 M * Zaki thanx Bertl 1154837446 M * Zaki Bertl, what does "nammie" mean? (english is not my main lang) 1154837483 M * nammie he was talking about me 1154837496 M * Zaki nammie, oh hehe =) 1154837505 M * Bertl yeah, I just wondered about the second? nick 1154837516 M * nammie i'm Nam 1154837523 M * nammie my other host will time out in a few 1154837527 M * Zaki Bertl, :) 1154837544 M * nammie i think my dlink switch rebooted itself 1154837579 M * Bertl well, all those devices are equipped with a watchdog, to work around software bugs :) 1154837677 Q * Nam Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154837726 N * nammie Nam 1154837882 M * Bertl but nammie sounds cute :) 1154838057 M * Nam hehe 1154838248 M * Skram has anyone gotten SNMP to work _inside_ or outside a vps? 1154838258 M * Skram for example.. gathering data PER VPS/IP? 1154838273 M * Bertl well, outside is probably trivial 1154838283 M * Skram I am doing bandwidth graphing via iptables.. which is kind of weird and i need to make sure its actually correct 1154838310 M * Bertl iptables and/or rtacct is quite fine for that 1154838345 M * Bertl having snmp inside a guest will not help you here 1154838359 M * Skram well, can it run outside the guest but track the network traffic to it? 1154838364 M * Skram rtacct? ill look that up 1154838368 M * Skram sounds familiar 1154838379 M * Bertl that's route based accounting 1154838389 M * Skram hmmm 1154838423 M * Bertl any simple iptables target should suffice to get proper accounting 1154838434 M * Skram I am doing like -j RETURN 1154838450 M * Skram then dumping data to a db (per IP).. and then graphing via rrdtool 1154838451 M * Skram meh 1154838453 M * Bertl for example .. or any simple -j ACCEPT will do too 1154838459 M * Skram Yeah 1154838501 M * Skram hmm 1154838501 M * Bertl or alternatively you could use the socket accounting 1154838511 M * Skram could you explain? 1154838513 M * Bertl which is done per guest, and graph that 1154838556 M * Skram Sorry.. I dont totally understand 1154838572 M * Bertl check /proc/virtual//cacct 1154838607 M * Bertl with recent kernels, that should show you lines like this: 1154838618 M * Bertl Type recv #/bytes send #/bytes fail #/bytes 1154838618 M * Bertl UNSPEC: 0/0 0/0 0/0 1154838618 M * Bertl UNIX: 0/0 0/0 0/0 1154838621 M * Skram yeah 1154838623 M * Skram i see that 1154838627 M * Skram so.. INET 1154838633 M * Bertl that is a breakdown of the socket packets 1154838636 M * Skram is there a wiki page for this.. 1154838650 M * Skram http://linux-vserver.org/HowTo+Read+ProcFS 1154838656 M * Bertl doesn't directly map to the 'network' traffic as e.g. retransmitts are not handled 1154838664 M * Skram oh 1154838665 M * Skram hrm 1154838667 M * Bertl s/handled/listed 1154838675 M * Bertl it is basically the userspace side 1154838693 M * Bertl i.e. when you actually sent a packet over a socket, then this will be accounted 1154838708 M * Bertl regardless what is required to get the data over the network 1154838714 M * Skram oh 1154838716 M * Skram hrmph 1154838728 M * Skram whats the three columns? 1154838739 M * Bertl recv, send and fail 1154838759 M * Bertl i.e. packets/size received, or sent, or failed to transmit 1154838777 M * Skram okay 1154838795 M * Skram size in bytes, I assume? 1154838799 M * Bertl yep 1154838809 M * Bertl wraps around at uin32 or so 1154838812 M * Bertl *uint 1154838821 M * Skram INET: 2451814/42473594 1154838839 M * Skram So.. 2451814 packets received, to total 42473594bytes? 1154838845 M * Bertl so that has already wrapped several times, I'd say 1154838860 M * Skram wrap meaning reset? 1154838862 M * Skram *shrug* 1154838877 M * Bertl means it goes over 2^32 and the higher bits are cut off 1154838881 M * Skram oh 1154838887 M * Skram well.. not so accurate, eh? 1154838890 M * Skram heh 1154838892 M * Bertl as with the interface counters 1154838902 M * Bertl same happens for eth0 or similar 1154838911 M * Skram well... 1154838916 M * Skram what do you suggest then? 1154838919 M * Bertl it's not a problem if you collect the data on a regular basis 1154838939 M * Bertl rrd even has special types for wrapping counters 1154838949 M * Skram 2^32 = 4 294 967 296 1154838960 M * Skram is that the packet count or byte count (for each column) 1154838973 M * Bertl both counters wrap at 2^32 1154838992 M * Skram so.. one could wrap (reset to 0) before the other? 1154839017 M * Bertl yes, but it will not just reset to 0, it will 'jump' from e.g. 1154839021 M * Skram so theoritically.. i could see 7678678/0 1154839028 M * Bertl 4 294 967 290 to 120 1154839034 M * Skram to 120? 1154839044 M * Bertl when 126 bytes are transmitted 1154839049 M * Skram thats assuming 120 packets were received/transmitted/whatever 1154839061 M * Skram okay 1154839081 M * Bertl look, don't worry too much about wrapping counters, they're quite common with network accounting :) 1154839123 M * Bertl for example, check your ifconfig for lo (loopback) 1154839128 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154839135 M * Skram okay, i know 1154839156 M * Skram it just means (which wouldnt be a good idea anyway) that I cant show data in realtime.. 1154839170 M * Bertl sure you can, why not? 1154839187 M * Skram well... if it wraps.. it will need to be logged to mysql or something, then reported 1154839216 M * Bertl what you actually do (or what folks usually do :) is the following: 1154839222 M * Skram alright, listening 1154839232 M * Skram thank you so much for all the info thus far, Bertl.. !! 1154839260 M * Bertl have some periodic check running (e.g. every 10-600 seconds) and add the 'current' value to some rr database 1154839298 M * Bertl the collect tool simply checks if the value changed from very high to very small, then adds 2^32 to the value 1154839329 M * Skram hmm 1154839341 M * Bertl this immediately gives the proper results, assumed that you do check in intervals so that wraparounds cannot occur more than once 1154839356 M * Skram who do you know that does this.. or is this theoretical 1154839358 M * Skram Bertl: right 1154839382 M * Skram i doubt a vps would transfer enough data/packets in a minute to wrap 1154839387 M * Bertl as I said, the rrdtool for example does this (for several values) 1154839395 M * Skram thats 4 billion packets 1154839396 M * Skram hehe 1154839414 M * Bertl and all the accounting folks around the world do with/for vservers work with that too 1154839429 M * Skram hmm okay 1154839437 M * Skram so.. i need to write my own program to do this 1154839441 M * Skram weee 1154839459 M * Bertl probably not, just using rrd tools/programs would suffice 1154839483 M * Skram but the standard wont know how or to look in the virtual/cacct 1154839490 M * Skram Hmm 1154839496 M * Bertl for example, we tested (more than a year ago) with rrdcollect and cacti (with lycos) 1154839533 M * Skram so with rrdcollect, you specify the format the data in the /proc/ folder is in? 1154839536 M * Bertl works quite nicely and you can collect all kind of data, like cpu usage and memory and whatever 1154839567 M * Skram hmm okay 1154839616 M * Skram hm i will look into it 1154839618 M * Skram thanks 1154839677 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1154840270 Q * Zaki Read error: Operation timed out 1154840400 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.105.126 1154840804 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Atlantica.Tcldrop.US 1154840914 Q * Zaki Read error: Operation timed out 1154840986 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.105.126 1154841458 Q * Zaki Read error: Operation timed out 1154842008 M * Skram im not seeing anything going on with rrdcollect 1154842012 M * Skram ill let it sit for a while but.. 1154842016 M * Skram Aug 6 01:19:21 hermes rrdcollect[13747]: We just started 1154842017 M * Skram Aug 6 01:19:21 hermes rrdcollect[13747]: Update method: print 1154842017 M * Skram Aug 6 01:19:21 hermes rrdcollect[13747]: Update method: pipe 1154842038 M * Skram but no files are made in /var/lib/rrdtool as specified, etc 1154842047 M * Skram Bertl: thanks.. ill get it working and maybe publish a wiki entry 1154842409 Q * harry Server closed connection 1154842410 J * harry ~harry@d54C2508C.access.telenet.be 1154842415 M * Bertl Skram: excellent! 1154842438 M * Bertl Skram: let me know if you need some help with the wiki page :) 1154842479 M * Skram what do you mean 1154842480 M * Bertl regarding rrdcollect, did you create the rrd databases? 1154842482 M * Skram like writing it? 1154842490 M * Skram Bertl: i didnt think i needed to 1154842495 M * Skram i am stuck with rrdcollect right now, lol 1154842500 M * Skram i am trying out a simple config 1154842509 M * Skram but am new to rrdtool pretty much as it is too 1154842521 M * Bertl read the manual/help for rrdcollect 1154842542 M * Skram so.. it doesnt make the rrd file for you? 1154842558 M * Bertl the files very much depend on your config 1154842564 M * Bertl and what you want to collect where 1154842569 M * Skram right 1154842581 M * Skram file:///proc/meminfo 1154842581 M * Skram "Mem: %*d %d %d %d %d %d" memory.rrd:mem_used,mem_free,mem_shared,mem_buffers,mem_cached 1154842584 M * Skram "Swap: %*d %d %*d" memory.rrd:swap_used 1154842588 M * Skram okay 1154842593 M * Skram so i need to make memory.rrd 1154842595 M * Bertl see that assumes a memory.rrd with some entries 1154842596 M * Skram alrighty 1154842663 M * Skram --step is... 1154842676 M * Skram bah this is a small learning curve to do all at once 1154843213 M * Beave 3 1154843247 M * Bertl 3 as in <3 :) 1154843256 M * Skram hehe 1154843524 M * Skram it seems to be logging 1154843539 M * Skram i just used an example somewhere and did hermes_host_memory.rrd 1154843554 M * Skram hermes, of course is the name of one of my nodes, if that makes more sense :) 1154843623 Q * lilo2_ Quit: brb 1154843737 J * lilo2 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1154844082 M * Skram Bertl: since the webserver is running in a vps.. i guess it would be best to collect data on the host (duh) but graph and serve the graphs on the webserver vps.. so mount /var/lib/rrdtool on the vps 1154844087 M * Skram sounds good! 1154844123 M * Bertl yes, with --bind mounts you can even provide the database read only to the guest :) 1154844130 M * Skram well 1154844135 M * Skram i did r/w 1154844148 M * Skram this is a trusted vps.. doesnt run ssh and is kept pretty secure 1154844153 M * Skram well, i try :) 1154846103 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-110.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1154846114 M * Bertl hey Aiken! LTNS! 1154846161 M * Skram isnt there a way with cacti.. to graph from a .rrd, not necessarily traffic.. 1154846162 M * Aiken hello 1154846216 M * Aiken have had no reason to complain :) 1154846229 M * Bertl good to hear! 1154846494 M * Aiken is there much difference between 2.1.1-rc24 and rc28? 1154846505 M * Aiken still at 2.6.17-vs2.1.1-rc24 1154846513 M * Bertl well, I added quite some stuff lately (to devel) 1154846536 M * Bertl could even be that the entire switch change falls into that period 1154846548 M * Bertl IIRC, derjohn maintains a changelog now 1154846711 M * Aiken grabbed all needed patches 1154846810 M * Bertl I'm currently hacking on improved privacy for the guests 1154846846 M * Bertl i.e. a compile time option to decide between fascist admin and reasonable guest privacy :) 1154847053 M * Aiken what does the reasonable guest privacy entail? um maybe better put as what kind of privacy can the guest expect from the admin? 1154847104 M * Bertl well, in the final version almost perfect privacy 1154847117 M * Bertl almost means, modulo modified kernels of course 1154847125 M * Skram cacti is a PITA 1154847126 M * Skram heh 1154847135 M * Aiken so host root won't be able to cd /vservers/hoppy and poke around? 1154847138 M * Skram ill just graph em myself 1154847148 M * Bertl Aiken: for example 1154847237 M * Bertl Aiken: but it starts with much simpler things ... like /dev/pts (which is already private) and things like loop or device mapper stuff 1154847388 Q * micah Server closed connection 1154847403 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1154848263 M * Aiken compiling a new kernel for the alpha to see how it goes for me 1154848276 M * Hollow morning folks! 1154848302 M * Bertl morning Hollow! 1154848308 M * Bertl Aiken: excellent! TIA! 1154848317 M * Skram shit, it is morning and i am still awake from saturday 1154848341 M * Bertl yeah, same here (except for the shit :) 1154848357 M * Skram sorry for cursing, Bertl 1154849365 M * Hollow Bertl: could you also send me your tavi config.php? 1154849371 M * Hollow for the old wiki 1154849399 M * Bertl yes, but you also need the patches I added to tavi, I guess 1154849432 M * Hollow you can also tar the complete htdocs 1154849437 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-219.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1154849451 M * Bertl will pack everything together and send it to you later today ... 1154849457 M * Hollow ok, thanks 1154849461 M * Bertl (i.e. after I got some sleep :) 1154849469 M * Hollow sure, no problem ;) 1154849487 M * Hollow will try to setup the redirect map today 1154849498 M * Hollow but mod_rewrite is always a pita, so we'll see ;) 1154849777 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154849858 Q * meandtheshell Quit: bye bye ... 1154850471 M * Aiken_ it boots and the guest starts 1154850485 M * Bertl sounds good to me :) 1154850567 M * Aiken_ these lines seem to have finally stopped -> vxW: !!! limit: f7ba2048[DENTRY,22] = 114 on exit. 1154850581 M * Bertl yep, that was worked around 1154850797 Q * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Server closed connection 1154851155 M * Hollow http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/How_to_participate ;) 1154851182 M * Skram Cool, Hollow 1154851333 M * Aiken_ looks good 1154851359 A * Aiken_ assumes me trying to blow my alpha is the Test new releases section :) 1154851373 M * Hollow heh 1154852143 M * Nam hey Bertl, the current configuration scheme... is it going to be changing much in the future... or is it pretty much going to remain the way it is? 1154852167 M * Skram there would be no fun if it stayed the same 1154852169 M * Bertl for util-vserver it is not likely to change 1154852187 M * Bertl for Hollow's tools, IIRC, a database is providing the info 1154852213 M * Nam i'm just talking the configurations in /etc/vserver 1154852215 M * Hollow sqlite3 to be exact :) 1154852219 M * Nam +s rather 1154852223 M * Skram Hollow: how's that going? 1154852268 M * Hollow Skram: quite good so far, just need to implement some more commands, and clean stuff up a little, wait for new accounting syscalls, probably rename it :) 1154852278 M * Hollow vserver-utils is just so confusing to all of us ;) 1154852280 M * Skram right on 1154852288 M * Skram whats the url again? 1154852296 M * Skram gentoo-vps one or is it seperate? 1154852310 M * Hollow seperate.. http://dev.croup.de/proj/vserver-utils 1154852352 M * Skram ok 1154852355 M * Skram one sec 1154852363 M * Skram this the same as the VCD project 1154852364 M * Skram yes, okay 1154852392 M * Hollow indeed 1154852400 M * Nam i'm developing all my stuff for slackware 1154852402 M * Hollow and i plan o just name it vcd :) 1154852407 M * Nam slack/slamd64 1154852409 M * Skram Hollow: Good idea! 1154852488 M * Nam i am planning on having the entire system work with gentoo/redhat/debian as well 1154852496 M * Nam first things first though, hehe 1154852898 J * zkbrsnie ~zkbrsnie@83-64-146-226.klosterneuburg.xdsl-line.inode.at 1154852902 Q * zkbrsnie 1154852918 J * zkbrsnie ~zkbrsnie@83-64-146-226.klosterneuburg.xdsl-line.inode.at 1154852933 M * Bertl welcome zkbrsnie! 1154853971 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. back later ... 1154853976 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1154854540 J * mnemoc ~amery@kilo105.server4you.de 1154855398 J * pisc1 ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154857674 M * Nam umm... anyone around? 1154857686 M * Nam ran into a compiling error with util-vserver 1154857716 M * Nam http://pastebin.ca/118320 1154858061 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154858211 M * Nam when i uninstalled beecrypt, reconfigured so it disables vhashify, it compiles fine 1154859402 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1154859498 M * waldi hmm, I can't mount the / of a vserver in the vserver specific fstab? vserver start seems to try to open a pty before they are mounted 1154859523 M * Nam where is vserver-build.copy? 1154859642 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154860167 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-230-240.pools.arcor-ip.net 1154860462 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154861176 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154861447 Q * gerrit_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154861936 Q * Aiken_ Quit: Leaving 1154862941 J * tioan ~Mattheus_@pD9545162.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154862945 M * tioan hello 1154863013 M * tioan vserver-new webhosting --hostname hosting-technology.com --context 1255 --interface name-suffix=1 eth0:85.25.253.110/32 stage3 /stage3-amd64-20060317.tar.bz2 amd64 1154863014 M * tioan * Selected target not supported 1154863016 M * tioan * Type vserver-new --help for details 1154863024 M * tioan can someone help me with the target error 1154863107 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1154863379 Q * fs Server closed connection 1154863388 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863388 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863397 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154863479 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863479 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863569 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863569 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863660 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863661 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863748 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863749 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863780 Q * cohan Server closed connection 1154863802 J * cohan ~cohan@koniczek.de 1154863839 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863839 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154863929 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154863929 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154864019 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154864019 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154864108 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154864108 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154864115 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154864167 M * tioan no one here? 1154864200 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154864201 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154864290 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154864291 Q * fs Max SendQ exceeded 1154864379 J * fs fs@213.178.77.98 1154865557 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154865558 M * tioan how i can setup the vservr interface with vserver-new to eth0:1 instead of eth0 ? 1154865670 M * mnemoc tioan: since linux 2.3 (?) the interfaces can have more than one ip address without any funny 'interface alias' 1154865686 M * tioan mnemoc: i need this alias 1154866263 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154867102 P * pisco 1154868778 J * Savvy ~SavvyChat@85.104.46.224 1154868971 Q * mugwump Server closed connection 1154868979 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz 1154869437 Q * maharaja Server closed connection 1154869439 J * maharaja maharaja@ip52.ipax.at 1154869811 Q * Loki|muh Server closed connection 1154869811 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1154871287 Q * tioan Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814] 1154872407 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154873411 Q * x03 Quit: leaving 1154874000 J * s0undt3ch ptqmiop@bl7-251-232.dsl.telepac.pt 1154874007 Q * s0undt3ch 1154874019 J * s0undt3ch ltfgeudc@bl7-251-232.dsl.telepac.pt 1154874976 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, as Bertl_zZ is zZ: could you tell we what the delta between rc27 and rc28 incorporates? 1154875055 Q * s0undt3ch Remote host closed the connection 1154875240 J * s0undt3ch dnjzjjy@bl7-251-232.dsl.telepac.pt 1154875966 J * bondovy bondovy@AC807884.ipt.aol.com 1154876022 P * bondovy 1154876462 J * pisco ~pampel@p5087C16D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154876997 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1154877001 M * Bertl morning folks! 1154877021 M * FaUl morning bertl 1154877022 M * Bertl derjohn: plz check the irc logs, I listed the changes there 1154877181 Q * yang Server closed connection 1154877241 J * yang ~yang@cpe-213-157-253-172.dynamic.amis.net 1154877515 M * derjohn Bertl, is there a problem with the wiki currently? 1154877707 M * Bertl which one? 1154877853 P * pisco 1154878291 Q * blizz Server closed connection 1154878292 J * blizz ~blizz@evilhackerdu.de 1154878398 M * Bertl derjohn: everything fine? 1154878615 Q * micah Remote host closed the connection 1154878629 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1154878810 Q * bubulak Remote host closed the connection 1154878828 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-38-135.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1154878851 J * bondovy bondovy@AC807884.ipt.aol.com 1154878881 M * derjohn Bertl, i wasnt able to save (timeout), but now it worked. changelog updated. 1154878935 M * Bertl excellent, tx! 1154879115 M * bondovy bert.... 1154879123 M * Bertl hey bondovy! 1154879137 M * bondovy Whats up? 1154879163 M * Bertl sunday 'morning' so not much atm :) 1154879218 M * bondovy :) 1154879258 M * bondovy Aww man i almost forgot 1154879364 Q * bondovy 1154879373 M * Bertl lol 1154879565 Q * s0undt3ch Quit: leaving 1154881160 M * Hollow derjohn: http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/ChangeLog ;) 1154881165 M * Hollow just completed it 1154881174 Q * lilo2 Remote host closed the connection 1154881224 J * lilo2 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1154881467 M * derjohn Hollow, what's the status about the wiki transition? Where should we add new stuff? 1154881505 M * Hollow until the redirection is in place (probably in the next few days) please still add things to the "old" wiki 1154881548 M * derjohn Hollow, why did you add the changes to the new wiki? wont everything be converted??? 1154881551 M * Hollow although you are welcome to update it in both places if appropriate :) 1154881584 M * Hollow yeah, at some day in the future all information should be migrated.. 1154881612 M * Hollow but until then we will redirect old pages to the old wiki, and new pages to the new one (stupid sentence ;) 1154881626 M * derjohn Hollow, I am not even eager to write changeslogs (as the person(s) releasing the rc's could do that within seconds). But on the other hand: It makes /me up to date ;) 1154881671 M * Hollow well, with git we could generate the changelogs automagically ;) 1154881683 M * Hollow it's already setup 1154881684 M * Bertl derjohn: was that a swing in my direction? 1154881709 M * Hollow derjohn: http://git.linux-vserver.org (i hope dns already works) 1154881717 M * derjohn Hollow, git? Are ther still plans to git-zie the vserver developemnt? 1154881772 M * Hollow also see http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Archives 1154881789 M * derjohn Bertl, well, as noone even pings me after releases, I might be the wrong person to write the changelog. 1154881862 M * Bertl derjohn: ah, k, I _thought_ you checked for topic changes, but np, saves me time _not_ to explicitely list the changes 1154881901 M * FaUl ah, ic, its unbelivable slow^W^Wmedia-wiki ;-) 1154881921 M * Hollow it's not slow (yet ;) 1154881938 M * derjohn Bertl, without that information I will be complete lost ;) (I tried to diff patch rc27 and rc28 ... -> I am lost in diff ;)) 1154881961 M * Bertl that's why I listed the changes, no? 1154881963 M * Hollow especially interdiff based on different vanillas is hard to do.. 1154881994 M * Hollow but well, i understand Bertl, it took me a whole day to even get the idea how git works :p 1154882011 M * derjohn Bertl, I check topic from time to time, but sometimes I am several days behind. I wondered if there is even interest in the web-based changelog, but today it showed, there is. 1154882048 M * Bertl Hollow: the idea is very familiar here (doing basically the same already) but I do not trust a tool like git (out of the blue) .. trust has to be earned :) 1154882048 M * derjohn Bertl, you proposed to "....saves me time _not_ to explicitely list the changes...". 1154882071 M * Bertl derjohn: means it saves me time if you do not write the changelogs :) 1154882150 M * derjohn Bertl, without the explicit listing of the changes, I wont be able to write the logs. As there is (public) interest in the information, I will be happy to put it to the wiki. 1154882151 M * Bertl derjohn: it's sunday 'morning' and my reasoning might not be as sharp as usual ... bottom line is: of course everything would be simpler and easier if I do it myself, but unfortunately that doesn't scale well ... 1154882215 M * derjohn Bertl, so please after releases, list the changes here on the wiki and ping me .. is that convenient fot you? 1154882252 M * Bertl no problem with that ... 1154882260 M * Hollow derjohn: are you interested in consolidating the currently about 18 pages listing FAQs? 1154882292 M * Bertl derjohn: although I'd expect that you do a little more for the changelog than 'just' copying my lines over 1154882333 M * derjohn Bertl, sure if there is need, I'd like to comment it (But beware: I might ask what the changes really do ;)) 1154882342 M * Bertl that's the idea 1154882365 M * Bertl because I think the three lines are probably as useful as the interdiff right now :) 1154882371 M * Hollow heh 1154882403 M * Hollow popy&caste is so boring 1154882430 M * Hollow but we're getting somewhere ;) 1154882443 M * derjohn Hollow, would you like to iron my shirts? You mean: Taleing care of transferring the FAQ to the new wiki and restructure them? 1154882459 M * Bertl derjohn: note: I do not expect you to do the changelogs, but if you do them, I'd expect them to be useful and worth the time I invest ... no offence meant here 1154882472 M * Hollow derjohn: exactly, i even have sorted out the FAQ pages already :) 1154882480 M * Hollow http://home.xnull.de/misc/lv.org/Documentation/FAQs/ 1154882681 M * derjohn Hollow, huh, I would lose my own FAQ page then. That's pretty uncomfortable for adding new stuff :) 1154882711 M * Hollow well, add it to the one and only FAQ in the future ;) 1154882769 M * derjohn Bertl, stuff like "utsname fix" doesnt IMHO need to be commented. As I get the information about new features or important stuff I'll a line. 1154882807 M * derjohn Bertl, like I did e.g. here: "minor fix: removed a harmful BUG_ON() (reaper-fix03): strace works again in a guest" 1154882812 M * Bertl well, it might be interesting what got fixed, and _how_ the bug affects running systems ... 1154882836 M * Bertl derjohn: precisely, that is how it should look like 1154882869 J * Hurga nobody@p508A9949.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154882877 M * Bertl welcome Hurga! 1154882897 M * Hurga Hiya. 1154882931 M * FaUl Bertl: is it normal that i can't edit the main-page? 1154882944 M * derjohn Bertl, about daniel's mountstat fixes i'll ask daniel_hozac , what about the new (?) flags? the "restructuring of acc for stat syscall commands" is only interesting for developers, so the hint itself shoulf be enought from them to look into the code. 1154883048 M * Bertl FaUl: which wiki? 1154883068 M * FaUl wiki.linux-vserver.org 1154883088 M * Bertl that's Hollow's domain for now 1154883089 M * Hollow FaUl: yep, that's normal, you can however edit the version table and the news 1154883097 M * Hollow they are templates 1154883295 N * Skram SkramX 1154883299 N * SkramX Skram 1154883345 M * FaUl ah, ok ;-) 1154883782 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1154885100 M * Bertl wb Blissex! 1154885115 M * Blissex hi! 1154887683 M * Skram im back! 1154888294 M * Bertl wb Skram! 1154888919 Q * insomniac Read error: Connection reset by peer 1154888926 J * insomnia1 ~insomniac@slackware.it 1154890175 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1154890850 J * Hurga- nobody@p508AA580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1154891222 Q * Hurga Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154893095 M * Nam hey guys 1154893282 M * Bertl hey Nam! 1154893377 M * Nam hey Bertl 1154893381 M * Nam i need some help 1154893412 M * Nam last night I was trying to get a new vserver setup 1154893442 M * Nam i just did a fresh install of everything, but I can't seem to figure out the new method of getting a vserver created and working properly 1154893604 M * Nam when I type "vserver testing start" this is what I'm getting 1154893614 M * Nam INIT: version 2.84 booting 1154893621 M * Nam mountie: permission denied 1154893629 M * Nam mountie: rather 1154893635 M * Bertl lol 1154893637 M * Nam two damn auto complete 1154893638 M * Nam hehe 1154893656 M * Nam then I get "Testing root filesystem status: read-write filesystem" 1154893683 M * Nam and then I get "ERROR: Root partition has already been mounted read-write. cannot check" 1154893693 M * Bertl well, your guest is trying to do things is isn't supposed to do 1154893706 M * Bertl like checking the filesystems and such 1154893724 M * Bertl you probably want to remove or simplify those scripts 1154893749 M * Bertl (or if you are using sysv init style, disable the hardware related init scripts) 1154893777 M * Nam hmm... ok, I think I have a set of older scripts which where setup that way... 1154893783 M * Nam i'll copy them over and try 1154893812 M * Nam i have to reboot everytime i try 1154893820 M * Bertl hmm, why? 1154893822 M * Nam it like majorly effect the system performance 1154893840 M * Nam i have to start hitting keys like 10 times before they show up on screen 1154893868 M * Bertl very interesting .. and vkill doesn't solve that issue? 1154893971 M * Nam maybe if i could run it 1154893972 M * Nam hehe 1154894206 M * Nam hmm... i copied scripts i used on an older system which worked... and same thing 1154894241 M * Nam how does fstab have to be setup? 1154894252 M * Bertl inside the guest it should not be used at all 1154894278 M * Bertl in the config file (fstab) you specify all filesystems required for your guest to run 1154894299 M * Nam do you require specifying the / device? 1154894319 M * Bertl only if you want to mount something there 1154894351 M * Bertl default looks like this: 1154894352 M * Bertl none /proc proc defaults 0 0 1154894352 M * Bertl none /tmp tmpfs size=16m,mode=1777 0 0 1154894352 M * Bertl none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 1154894389 M * mnemoc and a /dev if the root is nodev ? 1154894413 M * Hollow doener: ping? 1154894435 M * Bertl mnemoc: well, if you need devices other than the /dev/pts, yes 1154894446 M * mnemoc /dev/null ? :) 1154894592 M * mnemoc there is any problem on sharing a minimalistic /dev between different guests? 1154894665 M * Bertl if read only, I don't think so 1154894682 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1154894691 M * Bertl read write would probably lead to inter-guest issues 1154894726 M * mnemoc can i write to /dev/null if /dev is ro? 1154894759 M * Bertl yes, sure, it's a device node 1154894776 M * mnemoc ah, nice :) 1154894871 M * mnemoc so i'll start sharing a single /dev instead of one per guest :p 1154895328 M * Hollow xplanet fun http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Image:Devmap.png ;) 1154895514 M * doener Hollow: pong 1154895523 M * Hollow doener: mind sharing your coords? :) 1154895560 M * doener if I knew them... 1154895591 M * Hollow well, i can lok them up if you want.. where are you located? 1154895629 M * doener Bielefeld - Großdornberg 1154895753 M * Hollow 52°01'N 8°32'E ;) 1154895888 M * doener if you say so ;) 1154895915 M * Hollow well, google earth should know :) 1154895966 M * Nam hey Bertl: btw, I'm using the same scripts I used in legacy mode... they worked in legacy mode, but now I'm having trouble getting a new vserver going 1154895968 M * doener well, maybe someone created spam-cities to manipulate google's coordinate ranking? *lol* 1154896013 M * Hollow confirm yourself, the image should be updated :p 1154896096 M * doener according to my non-existing geographic knowledge it is probably correct... maybe ;) 1154896511 M * Bertl Nam: please provide a complete --debug run with legacy and current to compare them 1154896588 M * Bertl Hollow: you are where exactly? 1154896627 M * Nam well.. fittling around with it, I can not get it to start, but I have a bunch of tweaking to do on the boot scripts 1154896633 M * Hollow 48° 9' 8.44"N 11° 32' 24.47"E 1154896647 M * Hollow this should point exactly at my roof :) 1154896660 M * Bertl Hollow: looks like the middle of austria if my location is correct :) 1154896688 M * Hollow on the map? 1154896707 M * Bertl yup, but hey, I was never good at geography either :) 1154896726 M * Hollow no, it is correct :) 1154896749 M * mnemoc some projects use frappr for that :p 1154896758 M * Hollow you see the alps, right? that's where austria starts in the south of munich ;) 1154896804 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection 1154896823 M * Bertl and daniel_hozac is on vaccation .. so no idea where that would be atm :) 1154896836 M * Hollow mnemoc: well, i thought about using google maps, but it's not easily embeddable in mediawiki, and a bit overkill for 5 devs ;) 1154896853 M * mnemoc :) 1154896854 M * Hollow Bertl: well, it should show ~ 1154896855 M * Hollow :) 1154896872 M * Hollow i assumed laaben for your side? 1154896886 M * Bertl is correct atm ... 1154896904 A * Bertl checks for ion gun movements ... 1154897021 M * Savvy hi, not a vserver question, is there a way to load kernel without restarting it? 1154897094 M * waldi hmm? 1154897240 M * Nam i know there is a way... i just don't remember 1154897247 M * Nam and it's not considered the best thing to do 1154897261 Q * lilo2 Remote host closed the connection 1154897318 J * lilo2 hiddenserv@tor.noreply.org 1154897446 M * Bertl Savvy: kexec 1154897470 M * Bertl Savvy: but it _will_ do all the init stuff and lose all the processes/running stuff 1154897488 M * Bertl Savvy: it just won't reboot/restart 1154897533 M * Savvy I recently get a dedicated server, and try to install vserver, I compiled kernel, then I want to configure grub to boot with vserver patched kernel and i see that http://pastebin.ca/119384 (some info about system is also provided) 1154897564 M * Savvy can i get a huge vps instead of a real server? 1154897607 M * Bertl hmm? 1154897665 M * Bertl you mean, you 'think' you got a virtual server instead of a real one, is that it? 1154897693 M * Savvy yes 1154897714 M * Bertl ah, and the grub message led you to that conclusion, right? 1154897770 M * Savvy yes, it made me to think this... 1154897773 M * Bertl let me tell you that I'm pretty sure (about 99.9%) that this is a real machine .. 1154897804 M * Bertl nobody would be crazy enough to virtualize a GeForce4 :) 1154897840 M * Bertl and the grub message is normal, as you do not rerun anything with grub (as you do with lilo) 1154897843 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154897899 M * Bertl this is very likely some AMD/VIA board, check /proc/cpuinfo for more hints 1154898025 M * Savvy heh, you are right :) But i really didn't understand why they installed both lilo & grub :) 1154898040 M * Bertl probably to give you the choice 1154898094 M * doener Savvy: uhm, /etc/grub.conf? 1154898097 J * bubulak ~bubulak@whisky.pendo.sk 1154898109 M * doener AFAIK you should rather look at /boot/grub/menu.lst 1154898115 M * Savvy may be.., thank you 1154898154 M * Savvy doener : it is a symlink to /boot/grub/menu.lst 1154898162 M * doener ok 1154898292 M * Nam umm... what does this message mean? 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"/dev/vc/2: No such file or directory" when typing "vserver enter" 1154898344 M * Bertl can mean a lot of things ... 1154898354 M * Nam i still enter the vserver, but I get that message 1154898361 M * Bertl first, it could be a terminal you try to 'bring' into the guest 1154898377 M * Bertl second, it could be older tools without the vlogin addon 1154898433 J * michal` ~michal@81.169.139.228 1154898480 M * Nam well... the only change that has happened, is I installed ssh and a couple other pieces of software... then I did "vserver testing start" and "vserver testing enter" like i have done 50 times today, and all of a sudden that message now comes up 1154898494 M * Nam 10 minutes ago, it wasn't doing that 1154898534 M * Bertl well, then I'd say the secret lies within the 'couple other pieces of software...' 1154898552 M * Bertl anyway, have to leave now ... will be back later ... 1154898565 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1154898610 M * Nam well, the rest of the software shouldn't have effected anything since it was mostly libs... ssh is the only thing which was different at the boot precedure 1154898862 Q * nebuchadnezzar Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154899489 J * kir_home tis-7066f7@213.152.157.70 1154899548 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1154899555 Q * Savvy Quit: Download IceChat at www.icechat.net 1154899777 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-116-108.dclient.hispeed.ch 1154900382 J * mkhl mkhl@200-148-40-149.dsl.telesp.net.br 1154900789 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1154901199 J * Savvy ~SavvyChat@81.215.93.174 1154902413 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-159.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1154902590 P * kir_home Ухожу я от вас 1154904159 J * Savvy_ ~SavvyChat@81.215.80.52 1154904316 Q * Savvy Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1154904695 N * Savvy_ Savvy 1154904818 J * s0undt3ch truoug@bl7-251-84.dsl.telepac.pt 1154905830 Q * mkhl 1154905868 M * s0undt3ch hello ppl 1154905879 M * s0undt3ch I wonder if anyone using lvm can give me a hand 1154905895 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1154905900 M * Bertl evening folks! 1154905911 M * s0undt3ch want to remove an LVM logical drive, but I keep getting: 1154905919 M * s0undt3ch Can't remove open logical volume "P4Backup" 1154905929 M * s0undt3ch lvchange -a n /dev/vg/P4Backup LV vg/P4Backup in use: not deactivating 1154905940 M * s0undt3ch but I don't have that mounted anywhere 1154905940 M * Bertl well, as the message says, it's open/in use :) 1154905952 M * s0undt3ch Bertl: how can I find out by what? 1154905960 M * s0undt3ch it's un mounted 1154905970 M * Bertl depends on your system, setup and kernel 1154906004 M * s0undt3ch uname -a 1154906006 M * s0undt3ch Linux vserver 2.6.16-vs2.0.2-rc21-gentoo-mail #1 SMP Sun Jun 4 21:31:31 WEST 2006 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor GNU/Linux 1154906031 M * Bertl did you mount it at some point? 1154906036 M * s0undt3ch yes 1154906046 M * Hurga- s0undt3ch: did you use the vroot device? 1154906048 M * s0undt3ch reboot without mounting it? 1154906050 M * Bertl did you start a guest after you mounted it? 1154906060 M * Bertl *mounting 1154906064 M * s0undt3ch several, but they don't use that mount 1154906083 M * Bertl s0undt3ch: they will still have that mount open 1154906120 M * s0undt3ch k, so, reboot without mounting that, or shuting down all guest will do it? 1154906134 M * Bertl or simply unmounting it in the various namespaces 1154906153 M * s0undt3ch Bertl: I havent mounted it in any guest 1154906167 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de 1154906169 M * Bertl but it _was_ mounted on the host, so it was inherited 1154906177 M * s0undt3ch oh, ok 1154906230 M * s0undt3ch brb 1154906233 Q * s0undt3ch Quit: leaving 1154906255 M * Bertl hey [PUPPETS]Gonzo! 1154906497 M * Aiken Bertl vxW: !!! limit: fffffc0009b73070[NOFILE,6] = 18 on exit. 1154906506 M * Aiken good, bad, indifferent? 1154906528 M * Bertl strange ... it means that _something_ left 18 file handles to the kernel 1154906572 M * Bertl could be some kernel thread you started inside a guest or devices you mounted or something like that 1154906578 M * Aiken at the moment not sure if I was running a cow or none cow guest at the time 1154906614 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1154906615 M * Aiken in each guest all I did was ./configure && make && make install type stuff 1154906633 M * Bertl that should not use up file handles 1154906667 M * Bertl what about testme.sh -L ? does it report any 'losses' too? 1154906771 J * s0undt3ch igxmjvdf@bl7-251-84.dsl.telepac.pt 1154906824 M * s0undt3ch Thanks! Shuting down all guests was the easy way out ;) 1154906889 M * Aiken just ran testme.sh-0.15 -L no losses reported 1154906938 M * Bertl how did you 'enter' the guest with the 18 file handles? 1154906961 M * Bertl I mean, could it be that you brought that 18 fhs with you? 1154906972 M * Aiken I forget is I vserver hoppy enter or if I ssh from this machine 1154907021 M * Aiken during the course of last night I had done both 1154907371 M * Aiken vxW: !!! limit: fffffc000362d070[NOFILE,6] = 6 on exit. 1154907380 M * Aiken I started then stopped a new cow guest 1154907427 M * Bertl okay, so then we are losing file handles on cow creation ... 1154907459 M * Bertl question now is why that isn't accounted properly ... because it all should happen _inside_ this specific context 1154907465 M * Aiken just copying the files from my master image so I can try stop/start a non cow guest 1154907475 M * Bertl okay 1154908359 M * Aiken seems to be cow related 1154908368 M * Aiken my cow test script http://paste.linux-vserver.org/227 1154908382 M * Aiken chcontext --xid 100 ./cow-test 1154908389 M * Aiken vxW: !!! limit: fffffc000734a070[NOFILE,6] = 1 on exit. 1154908412 M * Aiken the non cow guest does not trigger that message 1154908743 M * Bertl thought so .. you might give daniel's patch a try (if you find the time) just to double check ...