1152145183 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
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1152145705 Q * gerrit_ Read error: Operation timed out
1152148256 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
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1152149562 N * sarnold sars
1152150053 J * mire ~mire@104-166-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.Verat.NET
1152150876 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-111.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1152151189 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152153738 Q * SNy Read error: Connection reset by peer
1152153759 J * SNy ef3c1b08c8@bmx-chemnitz.de
1152159658 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
1152160538 J * doener_ ~doener@i577B9470.versanet.de
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1152162339 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@140.109.13.50
1152163606 N * otaku42_away otaku42
1152164622 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@67.160.146.170
1152165222 J * coocoon ~coocoon@84.160.110.171
1152165299 M * coocoon morning
1152165303 J * schimmi ~sts@port-212-202-73-176.dynamic.qsc.de
1152166397 J * Term ~PhAnATiC@201.144.210.22
1152166601 M * coocoon Hollow: ping
1152166872 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152166880 J * hallyn ~xa@75.0.153.103
1152167152 Q * hallyn_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152167257 Q * schimmi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152167387 J * cskarby ~cs@195.1.31.69
1152167426 J * coocoon3 ~coocoon@84.160.112.17
1152167483 M * Term hi
1152167619 M * daniel_hozac hello
1152167629 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152168013 M * Term hello Daniel , where are you from?
1152168051 M * daniel_hozac Sweden, why?
1152168152 M * Term well i am from Mexico, i want to know if someone write in spanish ?
1152168225 M * daniel_hozac probably, but this is an english channel.
1152168276 M * Term ill try to comuinicate then in english
1152168324 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152168378 M * Term which is the better software to make a vps over linux debian
1152168450 M * daniel_hozac well, it depends on your requirements.
1152168536 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio289.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1152168553 M * Milf Good yawning
1152168575 M * daniel_hozac heh, morning
1152168597 M * Term i have a debian woody version server , with kernel 2.4.26 and i need run tomcat but a wanna do this in a vps
1152168764 M * daniel_hozac Term: well, that's awfully ancient.
1152168800 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1152168894 M * Term what do you suggest me ?
1152168953 M * Skram Upgrade yo kernel
1152168954 M * Skram :)
1152168962 J * legoater_ ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1152168964 Q * legoater_ Quit: 
1152168978 M * coocoon3 u r here in linux vserver channel so this is the best choice ;-)
1152169016 M * Term there are people that believe that kernel 2.6 is a toy of linus
1152169038 M * Term is it true ?
1152169059 M * coocoon3 Term: maybe here u will find more answers to u r choice http://lxc.sourceforge.net/bench/
1152169075 M * Term thanks
1152169083 M * Skram i need to sleeeep
1152169238 J * schimmi ~sts@141.84.9.37
1152169410 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497581A.dip.t-dialin.net
1152169663 M * cdrx morning 
1152169838 M * Term where are you cdrx ?
1152169876 M * cdrx france
1152169899 M * Term what time is it ?
1152169931 M * cdrx 9 AM but a short night ;)
1152169962 M * Hollow coocoon3: pong
1152170033 M * coocoon3 Hollow: 
1152170039 M * coocoon3 Hollow: i solved
1152170049 M * Term here it's 2:00 am
1152170544 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204
1152170599 N * nokoya nokoyaz
1152170610 N * nokoyaz nokoya
1152170712 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-166-9.kielnet.net
1152171284 Q * Term Quit:  (-(PS)-) [v5.0.r02]  http://www.kalendas.net
1152173313 Q * coocoon3 Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1152174120 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1152174158 J * coocoon ~coocoon@84.160.112.17
1152174428 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.159.88
1152175476 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1152175808 J * melvin ~melvin@p54876839.dip.t-dialin.net
1152175917 Q * melvin_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152176438 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: around?
1152176916 J * s0undt3c1 ~s0undt3ch@bl7-253-223.dsl.telepac.pt
1152176916 Q * s0undt3ch Read error: Connection reset by peer
1152176924 N * s0undt3c1 s0undt3ch
1152177292 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: sure.
1152177309 M * Hollow i need an opinion for scheduler configuration..
1152177338 M * Hollow atm cpuid is madatory and i check the online processors, but i'm not sure if this is a good idea
1152177384 M * daniel_hozac why wouldn't it be?
1152177439 M * Hollow e.g. if a cpu is removed (or goes offline) you won't be able to read scheduler configuration from the database
1152177484 M * Hollow but on the other hand, if more schedulers than cpus are configured i'd have to ignore them..
1152177508 M * Hollow i.e. database and actual scheduler configs would differ
1152177516 M * Hollow and i#d like to prevent just that
1152177628 M * daniel_hozac i guess having the ability to do both would be best?
1152177662 M * Hollow i.e. still be able to read the config, but ignore cpuids where no cpu is online?
1152177671 M * daniel_hozac right.
1152177736 M * Hollow well, in reality the number of cpus won't change that often, but i tried to keep the database consistent as good as possible, but it seems we/the user has to live with this incosistency then
1152177768 Q * DreamerC Quit: leaving
1152178008 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@59.112.4.233
1152181546 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-059-003-102.pools.arcor-ip.net
1152182687 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1152182691 M * Bertl morning folks!
1152182771 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-75-128-166.dclient.hispeed.ch
1152182909 Q * schimmi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152183083 M * coocoon hello bertl
1152183425 M * Bertl hey coocoon! wb yarihm!
1152183577 M * coocoon bertl have compiled the kernel and now install it and then reboot
1152183607 M * Bertl excellent!
1152183675 Q * abi Killed (services.oftc.net (Too many invalid passwords))
1152183704 J * abi ~abi@213.155.82.133
1152183939 M * doener_ Bertl: discovered wikipediafs today, might be useful for you if the wiki will ever be converted to wikimedia
1152183942 M * doener_ http://wikipediafs.sourceforge.net/
1152184003 M * Loki|muh nice idea
1152184288 M * Bertl doener_: cool stuff!
1152184818 M * romke Bertl: morning ;)
1152184844 M * Bertl hey romke! got your email, tx!
1152185184 M * romke Bertl: n/p, comments are welcome ;)
1152185288 M * mnemoc Bertl: hi master :p.... what are your thoughts about using git for vserver ?
1152185329 M * Bertl mnemoc: we(I)'ll definitely do that in the (near?) future
1152185357 J * lilo2_ ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1152185388 M * Bertl wb lilo2_! seems like a lot of trouble lately :)
1152185434 Q * lilo2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152185512 M * mnemoc Bertl: ah, cool :) thanks
1152185530 M * Hollow hey Bertl
1152185566 M * Hollow JFYI, i will probably make a pre-release of vserver-utils-2.0 at the end of the month
1152185574 M * Hollow it already works quite good
1152185591 M * Hollow but i still lack disk limits and unification
1152185600 M * Hollow *it
1152185664 M * Hollow have we decided upon the new patch versioning yet?
1152185711 M * Bertl ad vserver-utils: great! ad versioning: nope, just talked trough a few ideas there :)
1152185732 J * mef ~mef@c-68-39-177-97.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
1152185741 M * mef hello
1152185758 M * Hollow ok.. if you need things tested (x86, amd64, ppc), i have plenty of time..
1152185789 M * Hollow i noticed some DENTRY -1 on exit in dmesg lately
1152185814 M * mnemoc is libvserver stable?
1152185833 M * Hollow mnemoc: yes, but for recent features you'll need svn trunk
1152185866 M * Hollow i'm just waiting for 2.{0.2,1.1} to be released..
1152185872 M * Hollow then libvserver-2.0 will be out
1152185935 A * mnemoc look at Bertl 
1152186080 M * Hollow since yesterday vserver-utils even has preliminary support for collecting stats in rrdtool dbs
1152186101 M * romke nice :>
1152186205 M * romke I had to write script collecting those myself ;P ( http://acrux.romke.net/rstats/ )
1152186262 M * Hollow heh.. we also make use of min/max accounting in 2.1 to get more accurate results
1152186317 M * coocoon bertl: Linux debsparc 2.6.17.3-vs2.1.1-rc25 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jul 6 12:32:32 CEST 2006 sparc64 GNU/Linux :-)
1152186344 M * Bertl great! could you run the testme.sh stuff, and maybe play with the testfs.sh stuff too?
1152186351 M * coocoon ok
1152186674 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152187432 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.159.88
1152187590 M * Bertl wb pisco!
1152187606 M * Bertl okay, I'm off now .. will be back later this evening
1152187612 M * coocoon ok
1152187612 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1152189469 Q * romke Quit: Reconnecting
1152189599 Q * balbir Remote host closed the connection
1152189666 P * mef 
1152190949 J * pisc1 ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152191214 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152191423 M * harry http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.18-rc1
1152191425 M * harry bwerk!
1152191665 M * cskarby harry: something special in the changelog?
1152191692 M * harry yes, it seems the previous one was crap too! (2.6.17)
1152191701 A * harry starting to REALLY dislike linux kernels!
1152191755 M * doener_ how do you deduce that from the shortlog?
1152191785 M * doener_ s/shortlog/changelog/
1152191787 M * doener_ oops :)
1152191869 M * harry because : it's a changelog which fixes bugs... a lot of bugs
1152191873 M * harry and bugs are not good
1152191919 M * cskarby well, there always is bugs, good programmers fix some of them ;)
1152191945 M * doener_ did you confirm that those bugs were in 2.6.17 and not introduced and fixed between 2.6.17 and 2.6.18-rc1?
1152192162 Q * melvin Quit: leaving
1152192653 M * harry my biggest problem is , that really bad code gets into the "stable" kenel
1152192654 M * harry kernel
1152192671 M * harry they should look more at the quality of the code, instead of only the features
1152192686 M * harry in 2.4, it was a lot harder to get something in the mainline kernel
1152192696 M * harry because it had to be "good" code
1152192704 M * harry now, the code needs to "work" to get in there
1152192806 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1152192860 Q * sladen Quit: 
1152193234 M * otaku42 wondering... is there a common reason for the following message: "vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'blandy'; returned value was ''"?
1152193332 M * otaku42 i just created this vserver from a (debian sarge) template, started it, uninstalled the cron-package inside the vserver, then i stopped it. when starting it again the above message shows up.
1152193352 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1152193367 M * coocoon otaku42: u use static or dynamic context
1152193395 M * otaku42 this problem is reproducable. strange enough another vserver, copied from the same template, treated similar (with the only difference being that i also installed some new packages in there) works fine.
1152193408 M * doener_ otaku42: is there any process in the vserver that actually keeps it running?
1152193408 M * otaku42 coocoon: is that a question or a statement? :)
1152193419 M * coocoon question
1152193423 M * coocoon ;-)
1152193430 M * otaku42 coocoon: how can i tell?
1152193494 M * otaku42 doener_: i think not. when the vserver is stopped, the usual "sending TERM signal", "sending KILL signal" procedure is applied.
1152193532 M * otaku42 doener_: is there a way to double-check whether there are processes left in the vserver context?
1152193554 M * otaku42 coocoon: means: how can i tell if i use a static or dynamic context? :)
1152193562 M * doener_ ls /proc/virtual; vserver xxx start; ls /proc/virtual
1152193584 M * doener_ if there's no change in the directory listing, the context was already destroyed while the vserver was started and thus the message
1152193621 M * doener_ otaku42: if there's a file called /etc/vservers/xxx/context you're using static context ids
1152193681 M * otaku42 doener_, coocoon: then all my vservers use dynamic contexts
1152193775 M * otaku42 doener_: regarding "ls /proc/virtual": rebooting the host, then giving it a try... hold on
1152193921 M * daniel_hozac otaku42: so you're not using tagxid then?
1152193974 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
1152194054 M * otaku42 daniel_hozac: i don't think i use that. what would be the advantage of it?
1152194121 M * coocoon u have the template
1152194129 M * coocoon otak
1152194134 M * coocoon otaku42: 
1152194135 M * daniel_hozac it can cause that kind of problem if you move guests between xids, such as dynamic contexts would.
1152194136 M * pisc1 hi
1152194163 M * pisc1 somebody experienced with openldap in vserver?
1152194228 M * pisc1 i read the article @ the wiki, the slapd does not start, i got also an ldap an the host
1152194469 M * daniel_hozac have you bound slapd in the host to the host's IP address(es)?
1152194557 M * pisc1 i've found no hint in man slapd.conf to do that, or i am blind
1152194593 M * pisc1 iv i shutdown the hosts slapd, than i can start the guest slapd
1152194726 M * otaku42 daniel_hozac: ah, ok. no, tagxid is not used, so should not be the cause of this problem.
1152194734 M * otaku42 coocoon: pardon me?
1152194785 M * otaku42 doener_: the "ls /proc/virtual" is one on the host, not in one of the vserver contexts. right?
1152194800 P * newz2000 Talk to you later
1152194831 M * daniel_hozac otaku42: right.
1152194965 M * otaku42 tried the recipe doener_ mentioned above. result: no change in the "ls" output before and after i tried to start the vserver. this was right after the host has been rebooted, and neither the template vserver nor the "problematic" vserver have been started before the test.
1152195006 M * daniel_hozac otaku42: so the guest isn't starting anything at all.
1152195034 M * otaku42 daniel_hozac: hmm, ok...
1152195080 M * daniel_hozac otaku42: you should probably start syslogd, at least.
1152195121 P * cskarby 
1152195121 M * otaku42 daniel_hozac: syslogging is done on the host via syslog-ng, using the /dev/log-sockets from the guests as input
1152195141 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1152195208 J * Shadow Shadow@195.251.212.90
1152195256 M * otaku42 oh well, i think i have the answer, let me check
1152195909 M * otaku42 ok, shoot me... of course the vserver didn't start any process after cron has been removed. cron was the only process started in the template by default.
1152195938 M * otaku42 the other package i've installed (subversion) did not start anything by default.
1152195959 M * otaku42 it seems that this is the solution, i'm going to fix that now. thanks for the help, guys!
1152196037 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1152196168 Q * Shadow Quit: 
1152196362 M * otaku42 yes, that's been it. added a dummy process (sleep 10000) to get the vserver starting again, and this helps.
1152196834 Q * pisc1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152197628 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152197801 N * Ben_zZz Ben_
1152198096 M * matti Hollow: ;-)
1152198098 M * matti otaku42: ;-)
1152198269 M * otaku42 hi-bye matti :)
1152198280 A * otaku42 leaves office now... have a nice evening, all
1152198293 N * otaku42 otaku42_away
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1152200649 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
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1152201871 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
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1152203384 J * schimmi ~sts@port-212-202-73-176.dynamic.qsc.de
1152203858 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-218-126.pools.arcor-ip.net
1152204008 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152204256 M * derjohn daniel_hozac,  could you point out changes between rc24 and rc25 ?
1152204367 M * daniel_hozac delta-reaper-fix03, refixing the oops when guests use strace.
1152204378 M * daniel_hozac at least that's what Bertl_oO said :)
1152204394 M * derjohn for stable and devel the same?
1152204413 J * balbir ~balbir@203.101.54.189
1152204451 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, something wrong with http://linux-vserver.org/ ?
1152204490 M * daniel_hozac yeah, same changes.
1152204531 M * daniel_hozac looks like it's down.
1152204554 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, well, thats what i meant with wrong ;) is Bertl_oO the maintainer?
1152204566 M * mnemoc anyone know a wiki with spam detection? :)
1152204573 M * cehteh i do
1152204588 M * derjohn mediawiki has blacklist plugins 
1152204605 M * cehteh moinmoin invented a central blacklist
1152204617 M * mnemoc ip based?
1152204620 M * cehteh some other wikis have plugins for that
1152204623 M * derjohn morrigan, could you tip on your Bertl_oO on the shoulder asking for the wiki?
1152204623 M * cehteh regex based
1152204653 M * derjohn today i just had pr0n spam on ISPMan wiki .... hey hide inside a 1px div
1152204659 M * derjohn *they
1152204678 M * cehteh since i have this blacklist running (about 2 years) i didnt get any spam
1152204686 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.166
1152204687 M * derjohn ah the wiki is back
1152204706 M * derjohn morrigan, wiki is back. forget my last inquiery :)
1152204757 M * derjohn but incredibly slow
1152204778 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, i'll do the changelog later
1152205180 J * Wido ~wido@kantoor-amersfoort.pcextreme.nl
1152205182 M * Wido hi
1152205197 N * sars sarnold
1152205209 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152205219 M * Wido anyone alive in here?
1152205254 M * mnemoc -_-
1152205258 M * Wido :)
1152205267 M * Wido i have some troubles with VServer over NFS
1152205295 M * Wido i want to make a central storage pool so that i can start my VPS on a new server within a few seconds
1152205313 M * Wido so i mounten /etc/vservers and /var/lib/vservers on a central storage
1152205320 M * Wido mounted
1152205331 M * Wido but i run into file locking problems
1152205376 M * Wido does this ring a bell?
1152205384 M * Wido My error: secure-mount: flock(): No record locks available
1152205399 M * Wido flock is not available over NFS, so i need fcntl()
1152205439 M * Wido got to go, dinner time!
1152205440 N * Wido Wido|afk
1152206006 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152206085 J * bonekeeper ~thehazard@h-64-105-59-18.miatflad.covad.net
1152206141 Q * lilo2_ Remote host closed the connection
1152206188 J * lilo2 ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1152206208 J * jonsmel ~jonsmel@209.33.206.33
1152206284 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1152207089 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152207886 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152208497 Q * lilo2 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1152208597 J * lilo2 ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1152209389 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152209392 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1152209467 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1152209470 M * Bertl evening folks!
1152209540 M * Bertl Wido|afk: try to contact me after dinner :)
1152209550 N * Wido|afk Wido
1152209553 M * Wido hi
1152209558 M * Wido just finished :)
1152209562 M * Bertl hey, good :)
1152209577 M * Wido you get my point?
1152209581 M * Bertl do you use xid tagging for nfs (on the client)?
1152209593 M * Wido xid tagging? never heard of it
1152209610 M * Bertl okay, so I assume you did not enable it then 
1152209626 M * Bertl what kernel/patches do you use on the client?
1152209639 M * Wido i run Ubuntu Dapper
1152209647 M * Wido there is a standard kernel for Ubuntu Dapper
1152209651 M * Wido that's what i used
1152209661 M * Wido i did not patch it myselfd
1152209664 M * coocoon hey bertl here is the testme.sh output http://paste.linux-vserver.org/155, but tetfs.sh failled, with the message i shall specify a device
1152209670 M * Bertl got the uname -a by any chance? :)
1152209682 M * Bertl coocoon: ah, great! tx!
1152209686 M * Wido http://www2.uni-klu.ac.at/support/Ubuntu
1152209691 M * Wido that's where i got it
1152209700 M * Bertl coocoon: yes, the testfs need some preparations, I'll explain them to you
1152209708 M * coocoon *testfs.sh
1152209720 M * coocoon ok are u stay9ng a longer time
1152209724 M * Wido https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VServer that's where i found it
1152209733 M * coocoon because of in half an hour i have more time
1152209736 M * Bertl coocoon: we'll see, when do you think you have time?
1152209739 M * Wido my NFS-server is a EMC Cellera, if important
1152209746 M * coocoon 30 min
1152209750 M * Bertl coocoon: okay, then in roughly 30mins :)
1152209755 M * coocoon ok
1152209804 M * Wido Bertl, it is possible to have all the VServer data on a NFS mount?
1152209806 M * Bertl Wido: hmm, so ubuntu has vserver patched in yb default now?
1152209812 M * Wido yes
1152209821 M * Bertl cool, didn't know :)
1152209873 M * Wido but my setup is possible? you think?
1152209895 M * Bertl well, Lycos is using Linux-VServer solely via NFS, so I think yes :)
1152209904 M * Wido ok :)
1152209918 M * Wido it is so easy if you want to build a failover
1152209925 M * Wido just start the VPS on a new server
1152209928 M * Wido and your done
1152209929 M * Bertl first 'idea' did you try to mount it with nolock? or do you need the locking?
1152209947 M * Wido firts i tried: defaults
1152209956 M * Wido then i tried: rw,hard,intr,lock
1152209966 M * Wido because i thought it needed lock
1152209976 M * Wido secure-mount: flock(): No record locks available
1152209981 M * Wido it uses flock()
1152209993 M * Wido but flock is not available on NFS, you need fcntl()
1152210053 M * Bertl it's on guest startup, right?
1152210057 J * romke ~romke@83.16.133.162
1152210061 M * Bertl wb romke!
1152210063 M * Wido yes
1152210066 M * romke ;)
1152210070 M * Wido when i try to start the guest
1152210086 M * Bertl Wido: is the (var/lib)/vservers the nfs mountpoint
1152210097 M * Wido yes
1152210112 M * daniel_hozac Wido: have you strace'd it to see what file it's failing on?
1152210114 M * Bertl okay, what about trying to make the 'guest' itself a mount?
1152210127 M * Wido well, that's not a real option
1152210136 M * Wido because i would have to make a seperate export
1152210141 M * Wido for every guest
1152210150 M * Wido and i would have to mount it on every host
1152210153 M * Bertl Wido: you could mount the nfs on /vservers and use --bind mounts :)
1152210185 M * Wido ok, just let me create a new NFS export :)
1152210185 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152210219 M * Bertl Wido: but try to check what file/method is called (as daniel suggested) so we can improve the tools too
1152210228 M * Bertl welcome pisco!
1152210234 M * Wido if you want to
1152210239 M * Wido i can give you SSH access
1152210241 M * Wido to trace
1152210246 M * daniel_hozac hmm, looks like the only way to get that error message is if locking the guest's mtab fails.
1152210252 M * pisco Hi Bertl
1152210255 M * Wido yes daniel_hozac
1152210259 M * Wido i get mtab errors
1152210288 M * Bertl Wido: I guess ssh is not required (we tend to recreate stuff and then fix it :)
1152210297 M * Wido ok, no problem
1152210336 M * Bertl btw, shouldn't flock work on recent nfs too?
1152210344 M * Wido i use NFSv3
1152210352 M * Bertl tcp or udp?
1152210355 M * Wido tcp
1152210458 M * Wido The NFS-server is a EMC Cellera, no Linux or BSD box
1152210465 M * Bertl yep, seems like a bug, interesting as it must have been introduced in later versions
1152210561 M * Wido in the kernel or VServer?
1152210579 M * Bertl obviously in the tools, if they use flock() for the mtab
1152210590 M * Wido let me re-create the error
1152210592 M * daniel_hozac they've been using flock forever.
1152210608 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, so how did that work out for lycos then?
1152210615 M * daniel_hozac 2003-10-09, to be specific.
1152210625 M * Bertl that could match
1152210723 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: any reason for using flock() over fcntl()?
1152210764 M * Wido so Lycos has changed the source-code, didn't they?
1152210778 M * Bertl well, they wrote 90% of the admin part themselves
1152210792 M * Bertl it's kind of integrated control daemon/web-interface
1152210804 M * Wido yes, that's what i am writing to
1152210809 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@59.112.0.210
1152210810 M * Wido auto-failover
1152210822 M * Wido when a server goes down another takes over its guests
1152210834 M * Wido and auto-reinstall
1152210835 M * Wido etc, etc
1152210844 M * Bertl we have a few failover setups with drbd, you might look into this (just to grab a few ideas)
1152210846 M * coocoon bertl. i am back
1152210872 M * Bertl Wido: but IMHO the simplest way is to do a small patch against the tools
1152210878 M * Wido ok
1152210882 M * Bertl (to get around the issues)
1152210889 M * Wido that's not a big problem
1152210916 M * Bertl coocoon: wb, the testfs.sh requires a device to test on, and the userspace tools for the various filesystems to be installed
1152210932 M * Bertl wb DreamerC_!
1152210961 M * Bertl Wido: so maybe double check with daniel_hozac, and 'try' to resolve that in a sane way?
1152211011 M * Wido ok
1152211011 M * Bertl Wido: btw, if you want disk limits for your guests, you have to have separate mounts and/or a linux-vserver aware server
1152211023 M * Wido no, the EMC fixes that for me
1152211032 M * Wido i can make directory based quota's
1152211038 M * Bertl ah, great!
1152211050 M * Wido really cool device
1152211069 M * Bertl how much capacity? and what price per GB?
1152211075 M * Wido 3.6TB
1152211087 M * Wido price per GB is around 10 euro's
1152211110 M * Bertl raid 5 or 10 or so?
1152211158 M * Wido raid-5
1152211164 M * Wido http://foto.pcextreme.nl/index.php?folder=/RedBus/EMC2/
1152211167 M * Wido that's the NAS
1152211176 M * Wido comments are dutch ;)
1152211198 M * coocoon bertl: userspace tools u mean util-vserver http://paste.linux-vserver.org/156 devices i have enought there 
1152211199 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152211209 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152211210 M * Wido daniel_hozac? are you still here?
1152211227 M * Bertl coocoon: userspace means e.g. reiserfs tools, jfs tools, etc
1152211227 M * Wido in src/secure-mount.c
1152211239 M * Wido i should change if (flock(fd, LOCK_EX)==-1) { to fnctl?
1152211246 M * Bertl coocoon: but we can check what fails and add that later ...
1152211260 M * coocoon ok i will install them
1152211263 M * Bertl coocoon: first we need an unused partition/device
1152211264 M * coocoon no probölem
1152211279 M * coocoon be4rtl: ok
1152211305 M * Bertl then you simply specify that, together with a mount point (e.g. /test) like this:
1152211420 M * Bertl testfs.sh -D /dev/something -M /test -tx
1152211441 M * Wido Bertl, i found the flock()
1152211444 M * coocoon ok
1152211448 M * Wido changed it to fcntl
1152211492 M * Bertl okay, with F_SETLK, F_WRLCK ?
1152211541 M * Wido did not touch the options
1152211562 M * daniel_hozac it won't be that simple.
1152211566 M * Bertl hmm, fcntl has slightly different syntax :)
1152211578 M * daniel_hozac might have more luck with lockf.
1152211581 M * Wido hmm, ok, i am not a real programmer
1152211626 M * Bertl ah, yes, lockf() should be quite similar
1152211644 M * Wido ok, so change flock into lockf?
1152211651 M * Wido without touching the syntax?
1152211663 M * coocoon bertl: the size isn't so important isn't it
1152211690 M * Bertl lockf(fd, F_LOCK, 0)
1152211693 M * Wido k
1152211710 M * coocoon because of i have here a partition with 19mb
1152211718 M * Bertl coocoon: no, it will be formatted (should be at least 32MB for reiser or so)
1152211719 M * coocoon all other will take me too much time
1152211731 M * Bertl coocoon: just make a file and use a loopback :)
1152211752 M * Bertl coocoon: i.e. dd if=/dev/zero of=/my/file bs=1M count=256
1152211762 M * Wido while (flock(*fd, op)==-1) {
1152211773 M * Bertl coocoon: then losetup /dev/loop0 /my/file
1152211781 M * Wido while (lockf(*fd, F_LOCK, op)==-1) {
1152211783 M * Wido like that?
1152211797 M * Bertl hmm, no, 'op' is the second
1152211802 M * Wido ok
1152211814 M * Bertl the third one should be 0, but be careful, the 'op' probably changed
1152211831 M * Bertl so better be nice to daniel_hozac and wait for a patch :)
1152211841 M * Wido hehe
1152211844 M * Wido daniel_hozac? :+
1152211970 M * Wido chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/reseller08
1152211979 M * Wido that's when i build a guest
1152212004 J * pisco ~pampel@80.135.181.4
1152212109 M * daniel_hozac http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/util-vserver-0.30.210-lockf.patch
1152212118 M * Wido no, that fast? :D
1152212127 M * Wido great
1152212137 M * daniel_hozac chattr is fixed already.
1152212156 M * daniel_hozac (http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/util-vserver/util-vserver-0.30.210-chattr.patch)
1152212167 M * Wido we are using VServer for a lot of things at the moment
1152212170 M * Wido really great :)
1152212250 M * Wido 0.3.209 is available?
1152212254 M * Wido http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/d_rel26/v2.1.0/
1152212257 M * Wido no .210
1152212289 J * shedi ~siggi@85.197.220.183
1152212334 M * daniel_hozac http://www.13thfloor.at/~ensc/util-vserver/files/alpha/
1152212337 M * Wido ok
1152212526 M * coocoon bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/157
1152212565 M * Bertl coocoon: so sdb3 is that 19M partition?
1152212571 M * coocoon bertl: right
1152212584 M * Bertl are tools for ext2/3 installed?
1152212606 M * Bertl ah, maybe try bash instead of sh ...
1152212658 M * Bertl and I would definitely suggest to use the loop approach, as I _know_ for sure that reiserfs and probably xfs will require larger partitions
1152212687 M * coocoon bertl: i have use it  
1152212711 M * Bertl well, then just specify the loop device instead of sdb3
1152212784 M * coocoon ok now it takes more time
1152213106 M * Wido nah, what i am doing wrong this time?
1152213115 M * Wido vserver reseller08 build --hostname reseller08 -n reseller08 --interface eth0:85.92.129.41/24 -m debootstrap -- -d sarge http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian
1152213122 M * Wido should work shouldn't it?
1152213155 M * daniel_hozac you don't need -n reseller08, and you need an -m before the URL.
1152213173 M * Wido yeah, i saw :)
1152213329 Q * pisco Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152213488 M * Wido You should check this out
1152213489 M * Wido https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VServer
1152213498 M * Wido that vserver-debiantools is really cool
1152213601 J * DreamerC ~dreamerc@59.112.1.234
1152213615 M * coocoon bertl: it takes too long bertl right it is checking ext2
1152213618 M * Bertl Wido: in what way?
1152213630 M * Wido the syntax is much easier
1152213632 M * Bertl coocoon: not sure, could as well be asking for some input
1152213645 M * Bertl coocoon: maybe try with -vv instead of -tx
1152213655 M * Wido and you can make some handy configs
1152213662 M * Wido just makes life easier
1152213674 M * Bertl Wido: could you give an example what IYO is simpler?
1152213700 M * Wido i create a file named: /etc/vservers/newvserver-vars
1152213709 M * Wido with the content
1152213710 M * Wido ARCH="i386"
1152213710 M * Wido INSTALL_PACKAGES="ssh"
1152213710 M * Wido INTERFACE="eth0"
1152213710 M * Wido MIRROR="http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian"
1152213717 M * Wido newvserver --dist sarge --hostname vps1 --domain "pcextreme.nl" --ip 10.0.0.82
1152213725 M * Wido and i have got a new vserver
1152213729 M * Wido and ssh is installed for me
1152213732 M * Bertl probably a bad one too :)
1152213735 M * Wido i386 arch
1152213744 M * Bertl first, it is missing a context id
1152213753 M * Bertl (I doubt the tools will choose one for you)
1152213765 M * Wido ok
1152213766 M * Bertl then it is missing the netmask
1152213777 M * Bertl maybe the tools will guess that somehow?
1152213789 M * Wido i don't know
1152213794 M * Wido daniel_hozac, you patch does not work
1152213797 M * Bertl and finally, what if you want to install a centos guest instead of a debian one?
1152213809 M * Wido i don't use CentOS ;)
1152213810 M * Wido lockfile: lockf(): Bad file descriptor
1152213835 M * Wido I: Installing core packages...
1152213835 M * Wido W: Failure trying to run: chroot /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/reseller08 dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb
1152213835 M * Wido mv: cannot stat `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/reseller08/etc/inittab': No such file or directory
1152213835 M * Wido lockfile: lockf(): Bad file descriptor
1152213835 M * Wido The following problem(s) were encountered while verifying vshelper
1152213837 M * Wido functionality:
1152213843 M * Wido that's what i get
1152213854 M * Bertl Wido: yeah, well, I don't use vserver-debiantools :)
1152213860 M * Wido ok
1152213870 M * Wido ok, it makes my life easier
1152213874 M * Wido fair enough?
1152213886 M * Bertl fair enough! no problem with that :)
1152213911 M * Bertl would be even better if it would create proper guests, but maybe debian folks will complain sooner or later :)
1152213956 M * Bertl hmm, EBADF sounds funny
1152213963 M * Wido little more spam
1152213964 M * Wido root@reseller08:~# chroot /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/reseller08 dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb
1152213964 M * Wido dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: No locks available
1152213964 M * Wido root@reseller08:~#
1152213973 M * Wido so locking is still the issue
1152213978 M * Wido but this time it is dpkg
1152213978 P * jonsmel 
1152213994 Q * DreamerC_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1152214001 M * Bertl Wido: well, did you try to debootstrap into the NFS share?
1152214008 M * Wido yes
1152214014 M * Bertl did that work?
1152214035 M * Wido yes, only dpkg failed on installing base-passwd
1152214041 M * Wido dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: No locks available
1152214065 M * Bertl it somehow looks to me like the NFS filer gives strange replies
1152214092 M * Bertl i.e. what I mean is, I'd expect EINVAL or so, but it probably returns ENOLCK
1152214122 M * Bertl i.e. looks to me like it's behaving 'slightly' different to 'normal' linux NFS
1152214134 M * Wido that is possible
1152214147 M * Wido but i can't change a thing about it :)
1152214154 M * Bertl would it be possible to compare that with a linux exported NFS?
1152214164 M * Wido i could
1152214174 M * Wido but i remounted with noloc
1152214176 M * Wido nolock
1152214178 M * Bertl it might be some tuning on the filer or in the way you mount it
1152214202 M * Wido and now dpkg doens't give an error
1152214208 M * Wido lets wait :)
1152214217 M * Wido brb, gonne get some water, hot in here
1152214277 M * Wido back
1152214434 M * Wido were are you guys from?
1152214464 M * Bertl the -n is a duplicate
1152214488 M * Bertl (just saw that in your command)
1152214490 M * Wido i know :)
1152214518 M * Bertl well, we are from all over the world :)
1152214526 M * Wido ok
1152214527 M * Bertl I'm from Austria :)
1152214535 M * Wido that's "close"
1152214540 M * Wido i am from Holland
1152214555 M * Wido well, i fixed the dpkg problem, but i think daniel_hozac made mistake
1152214564 M * Wido root@reseller08:~# vserver reseller08 start
1152214564 M * Wido lockfile: lockf(): Bad file descriptor
1152214564 M * Wido The following problem(s) were encountered while verifying vshelper
1152214614 M * Wido touch /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vshelper/warning-disabled
1152214621 M * daniel_hozac as Bertl said, EBADF is very strange.
1152214622 M * Bertl try to mount with the locking enabled
1152214625 M * Wido well, that suppresses the error
1152214638 M * Bertl i.e. with lock as nfs option
1152214642 M * Wido when i mount with locking enabled, dpkg can't work
1152214666 M * Bertl heh, should give a hint that something is wrong with the filer :)
1152214686 M * Wido well
1152214688 M * Bertl (at least I'd expect dpkg to handle nfs :)
1152214692 M * Wido my guest works :)
1152214698 M * Wido that's one thing
1152214707 M * Wido i supressed the error with: touch /etc/vservers/.defaults/apps/vshelper/warning-disabled
1152214712 M * Wido and now it is running
1152214716 M * Wido i can SSH to it
1152214731 M * Bertl well, I don't think the locking is that critical in your case
1152214732 M * Wido i am in :)
1152214749 M * Bertl no so many processes will try to modify the mtab
1152214782 M * Bertl but somehow it smells like interoperability issues
1152214807 M * Wido those EMC Cellera's are used all over the world
1152214830 M * Wido so i can't believe the filer is the problem
1152214851 M * Bertl the filer for itself, no, the filer together with a linux client and locking, maybe?
1152214862 M * Wido ok, that can be the problem
1152214941 M * Bertl does the Celera provide iSCSI too?
1152214944 M * Wido Yes
1152214971 M * Wido but i can't share iSCSI targets between hosts
1152214976 M * Wido so my failover won't work
1152214977 M * Bertl you might try that, maybe with a cluster filesystem like OCFS2
1152214979 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-251-1.dsl.telepac.pt
1152214988 M * Wido well, no, not really
1152214999 M * Bertl but if the rest works via NFS (except for the locking) you might be fine too
1152215008 M * Wido I prefer NFS
1152215016 M * Wido cluster filesystems go wrong a lot
1152215020 M * coocoon bertl: have mounted /dev/sdd3 wi 8GB http://paste.linux-vserver.org/158 it is the same
1152215024 M * Wido i read in differect mailinglists
1152215036 M * coocoon *with
1152215038 M * Wido http://85.92.129.41/ :)
1152215041 M * Wido the new guest
1152215049 M * Bertl coocoon: you mounted it?
1152215052 M * Wido it is running Apache 2, PHP5 and MySQL :)
1152215055 M * coocoon yes
1152215056 M * Wido no errors at all
1152215079 M * Bertl coocoon: no, just unmount and specify it, the script will try to format it (which will fail if mounted)
1152215095 M * coocoon ok
1152215102 M * coocoon good news
1152215124 M * Bertl Wido: welcome to the club :)
1152215147 M * Wido i am not happy with supressing the errors
1152215155 M * Wido that's one thing
1152215179 M * Bertl well, we'll do some tests with Linux NFS, but I fear those will turn out fine, even without the patch ...
1152215201 M * Wido you mean Linux as NFS-server?
1152215201 M * coocoon bertl: ok now i hear the hdd working ;-)
1152215220 M * Bertl Wido: yes, Linux NFSv3 as filer
1152215229 M * Wido i know EMC uses a Unix based OS for its filers
1152215249 M * Wido i'll give them a call
1152215256 M * Wido and ask them about file locking
1152215269 M * Bertl yes, maybe it's just a stupid config issue
1152215283 M * Wido i am paying them anough :P
1152215287 M * Wido enough
1152215287 M * Bertl magic switch #715 enables locking for linux :)
1152215294 M * coocoon bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/159
1152215297 M * Wido something like that
1152215322 M * Bertl coocoon: okay, much better
1152215328 M * coocoon yeah
1152215339 M * Bertl coocoon: is xfs/jfs/reiser compiled into the kernel?
1152215344 M * Bertl (probably not, IIRC)
1152215367 M * coocoon no i do not think so shall i activate them
1152215369 M * Bertl but maybe give it a run with -tx too
1152215382 M * Bertl that will also check the xid tagging
1152215391 M * Bertl (and output a terse format)
1152215404 M * Wido i don't know what xid tagging is
1152215420 M * Bertl when you put more than one guest on a shared partition
1152215425 M * Wido ok
1152215434 M * Bertl it basically enables you to do the 'directory' quota stuff
1152215447 M * Bertl (just that it is context id (xid) based )
1152215497 M * coocoon bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/160
1152215520 M * coocoon bertl:now with w option, sorry haven't had a look at that
1152215544 M * Bertl it's fine, shows that ext2/3 works as expected
1152215556 M * coocoon bertl: shall i activate xfs and jfs in the kernel, too
1152215575 M * Bertl if you feel like testing that, it would be nice ...
1152215591 M * Bertl actually, xfs, jfs and reiserfs
1152215598 M * coocoon ok
1152215616 M * Bertl but no need to hurry .. i.e. only when you find the time
1152215622 M * coocoon but i think it will also work fine ;-)
1152215626 M * coocoon i started it
1152215641 M * Bertl I'd hope so, but you never know ...
1152215739 M * Wido o, one question
1152215743 M * Wido when i was testing
1152215749 M * Wido i did: rm -rf / in a VPS
1152215759 M * Wido when you do so, you can't stop it anymore
1152215763 M * Skram oh my
1152215772 M * Ben_ hrhr
1152215774 M * Wido i did it on purpose
1152215786 M * Wido just to find out what happeneds
1152215789 M * Skram Wido: yes... it will eventually timeout when tryingg to stop
1152215799 M * Wido yes, but i keeps running
1152215805 M * Wido you cant enter it
1152215807 M * Wido cant stop it
1152215809 M * Wido nothing
1152215814 M * Skram hmm
1152215829 M * daniel_hozac vkill --xid <xid> -1
1152215844 M * Ben_ Wido, try it on a real server, u cant stop it :D
1152215851 M * Wido :P
1152215905 M * Wido ok, time for bed :)
1152215934 M * Wido got to get up early, maintenance
1152215949 M * Wido thank you!
1152215960 M * Wido for the support
1152215976 Q * Wido Quit: 
1152217318 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. probably back later .. have fun!
1152217325 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1152217505 N * Ben_ Ben_zZz
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1152220664 M * juggo question regarding hostname command in a vserver: "hostname" works fine but "hostname -s" and "hostname -f" return "hostname: Unknown host"  
1152220670 M * juggo Does anyone know why this is and how to fix it?
1152220913 M * juggo nevermind, looks like you need to have the hostname in the hosts file in addition to localhost associated with the vserver ip
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