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1151633919 J * mire ~mire@64-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.Verat.NET
1151642066 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497680A.dip.t-dialin.net
1151642268 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06C5D.dip.t-dialin.net
1151642891 M * coocoon morning
1151642927 J * Hollow_ ~hollow@cl-52.muc-02.de.sixxs.net
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1151645999 J * crazy_penguin ~Unknown@86.105.69.248
1151646347 N * otaku42_away otaku42
1151646348 M * crazy_penguin good morning ladies and gentlemans! a good morning to all of you!
1151646364 M * crazy_penguin :)
1151646375 M * tokkee Good morning crazy_penguin ;-)
1151646390 M * tokkee crazy_penguin: You do sound very motivated ;-)
1151646418 M * crazy_penguin yes
1151646421 M * crazy_penguin i'm happy
1151646424 M * crazy_penguin :)
1151646599 A * tokkee is tired... ;-)
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1151665467 J * Hollow ~hollow@cl-52.muc-02.de.sixxs.net
1151667462 M * phedny I am now having a question about mixed x86 and x86_64 contexts
1151667501 M * phedny is it possible (on a x86_64 kernel) to have the host running a completelly 32-bit install, to still have 64-bit vservers?
1151667565 M * phedny the point is that I'm thinking about a 64-bit desktop PC, but I want my main X environment in 32-bit so Java and Flash and things like that wil lwork
1151667618 M * Viper0482 i have a 64 bit system and just installed a 32 bit browser so java and flash is working fine
1151667686 M * phedny what distro do you use? and was it easy to setup?
1151667698 M * Viper0482 fedora core 5
1151667737 Q * DarthVader Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151667781 M * Viper0482 i just created a new i386.repo in /etc/yum.repo.d/ 
1151667862 M * Viper0482 and replaced the $basearch with i386
1151667958 M * phedny hmm, okay
1151667975 M * phedny well, maybe I'll give that a try, but I'm not used to running FC ;)
1151667984 M * phedny tkz anyway :)
1151668093 M * Viper0482 no problem
1151668363 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: ping
1151668415 J * DarthVader ~Aniken@203.177.212.163
1151668484 M * FaUl_ phedny: running 64bit-vservers on 32bit-host should work 
1151668912 Q * DarthVader Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151669177 M * harry FaUl_: ??????
1151669181 M * harry how would you do that?
1151669222 Q * Johan Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151669254 M * FaUl_ harry: well, let me be more detailed:  on an x86_64 vserver enabled kernel with 32bit userland on the host it should be no problem to install an x86_64 guest-system
1151669305 M * harry how would a 64 bit lib convert addresses to 32 bits without possible loss of address space etc???
1151669309 J * Plnt ~someone@goodspeed.vscht.cz
1151669312 M * harry the other way around should never be a problem
1151669500 M * phedny harry: but at what point does such a lib then need to convert addresses?
1151669597 M * harry phedny: all jumps are 32 bits addresses on your host
1151669606 M * harry in you virtual servers, they are 64 bits
1151669614 M * harry how will that ever work???
1151669626 A * harry looks up a 64 bit address
1151669627 M * phedny but the host and the guests don't interact with jumps?
1151669635 M * phedny the kernel is 64 bit
1151669647 M * harry ?
1151669650 M * harry ah, mkay
1151669655 M * harry then, it might be possible
1151669671 M * harry sry, i misread
1151669674 M * phedny like, my plan will be:
1151669686 M * harry i thought a x86 cpu, 32 bit libs/system and 64 bit vservers
1151669688 M * harry will never work
1151669701 M * phedny install 32 bit distro, compile 64 bit kernel and then run 64 bit vserver(s)
1151669713 M * harry yeah, that's no prob
1151669736 M * phedny no, but since I have to buy a new PC, I'll pick a 64-bit CPU so it may last for some upcoming years
1151669784 M * harry good idea
1151669801 M * harry cool song now:
1151669803 M * harry mms://clusterstreamhobo.telenet-ops.be/Qmusic_high
1151669806 J * Johan ~finger@lounge.datux.nl
1151669820 M * phedny also I'm thinking whether it would be wise to invest in a dual core CPU or just pick a single core one
1151669830 M * harry cliff richard and the young ones
1151669843 M * harry depends on what you want to do with it
1151669848 M * phedny most of the time it will not make sense for me, but sometimes (espacially Java startups) I have to wait
1151669875 A * harry uses a dual p3-800 @ home
1151669888 M * harry quite nice... but i don't need more cpu's for desktop work
1151669899 M * phedny :)
1151669910 M * phedny I'm thinking to integrate some services into vservers
1151669915 M * phedny on my desktop
1151669918 M * harry then again... my laptop is a centrino 1,73GHz
1151669924 M * harry and this irc runs... on a p200 :)
1151669926 M * phedny to safe money for additional hardware
1151669934 M * harry *save ;)
1151669939 M * phedny :)
1151670001 M * phedny let's rephrase to: keep the money in safe hands :p
1151671721 J * cdrx ~legoater@cimai.net4.nerim.net
1151671814 M * r_marvin one question: if the vservers aren't unified, i lose the "memory sharing" feature?
1151671894 Q * tokkee Quit: server reboot
1151672335 J * cattivik ~andrea@service.cab.unipd.it
1151672633 M * cattivik my new host with 2.6.17-vs2.0.2-rc24 seems to be awfully slow with loading modules and (or?) dealing with software raid... :(
1151672647 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1151672667 M * cattivik but also the debian 2.6.17-vserver pre-compiled kernel is *very* slow in this box...
1151672694 M * cattivik i suspect i'm wrong somewhere but i could not say where
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1151673445 J * tokkee tokkee@casella.verplant.org
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1151673653 J * tanjix ~j.eichler@office.star-hosting.de
1151673658 M * tanjix hi @ll
1151674536 J * tempoks tempoks@virtual.kk4.biz
1151674541 M * tempoks hi
1151674553 M * tempoks can i use vserver without kernel rebuild?
1151674555 Q * kir Read error: Connection reset by peer
1151674567 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1151674569 M * tempoks because i have now vserver what is maked uml
1151674706 J * doener ~doener@i577BA632.versanet.de
1151674717 M * doener hidiho
1151674750 J * crazy_penguin ~Unknown@86.105.69.248
1151675303 M * Milf Yum doener
1151675575 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1151675578 M * Bertl morning folks!
1151675584 M * doener hi Bertl 
1151675627 M * Bertl tempoks: hmm, unless you already have a vserver kernel, I'd say no :)
1151675645 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151675688 M * coocoon hello bertl
1151675718 Q * tempoks Quit: leaving
1151675748 M * doener Bertl: heh, whatever he asked, I guess he didn't like your answer ;)
1151675769 M * Bertl probably :/
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1151676166 M * r_marvin sorry to ask again, i'll try to rephrase: besides disk space, what disadvantages do i have if i don't use unified vservers?
1151676199 M * r_marvin i'm more interested in the "shared memory" part, and i'm not quite familiar with how it works
1151676238 M * tanjix i am using util-vserver from debian package. is it possible to change the path to the vservers, originally @ /var/lib/vservers to /vservers ?
1151676242 M * tanjix what is the config file to change that?
1151676243 M * Bertl r_marvin: none
1151676263 M * Bertl tanjix: you have to rebuild the tools to change the default
1151676266 M * doener tanjix: /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase
1151676274 M * doener change that symlink
1151676287 M * Bertl tanjix: but you can adjust athe symlink and/or specify a new one for each guest
1151676300 M * Bertl tanjix: btw, LTNS!
1151676315 M * r_marvin so the kernel manages to figure out that all libc's are the same and share that memory space , for example ?
1151676327 M * tanjix Bertl: LTNS? :)
1151676358 M * Bertl tanjix: Long Time No See :)
1151676377 M * tanjix Bertl: ahh :) Yes, It's long time ago i've been here :)
1151676381 M * Bertl r_marvin: nope, that's the 'shared' part of the unification
1151676403 M * tanjix doener: Just changing the symlink will create all new vservers under /vservers ?
1151676410 M * Bertl r_marvin: if the libcs are not unified, they will be mapped again and again ...
1151676424 Q * cdrx Read error: Operation timed out
1151676452 M * r_marvin Bertl: any useful documentation about that? i couldn't find something relevant in the wiki
1151676485 M * Bertl r_marvin: it's no special magic, it's just using what is already there on linux
1151676505 M * Bertl r_marvin: basically all caching and mapping in linux (most unices too) go via the inode
1151676533 M * r_marvin ok, so i _have_ to unify at least the libs to save memory, right?
1151676533 M * Bertl r_marvin: hard links (the mechanism used for unification) are references to a single inode
1151676550 M * r_marvin i understood (partially) the disk part
1151676560 M * Bertl r_marvin: so iif you want the gain, you have to unify them :)
1151676580 M * Bertl r_marvin: with the devel branch, you also get CoW (copy on write)
1151676582 M * r_marvin i avoided unification until now, because it's a drag with updates
1151676588 M * tanjix and another question: can "vserver ... build ..." only create debian vservers or other dists too ?
1151676615 M * Bertl r_marvin: how so?
1151676638 M * Bertl tanjix: many variants, have you checked the alpha util-vserver page?
1151676643 M * doener tanjix: There's another reference in /usr/lib/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars, you might need to adjust that as well
1151676644 M * r_marvin well, i update my vservers one at a time
1151676656 M * r_marvin and that would spoil the unified files
1151676662 M * Bertl r_marvin: that's perfectly fine with unification
1151676678 M * Bertl r_marvin: you re-unify them afterwards (or better use vhashify)
1151676699 M * r_marvin also, i believe that permissions might need to be the same (as it's the same inode)
1151676713 M * Bertl that is correct
1151676728 M * Bertl check this (tanjix and r_marvin): http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1151676733 M * tanjix Bertl: No, i think i have not. Is there a doc on how to create e.g. a suse or FC vserver ?
1151676758 M * tanjix doener: i looked in that file but don't really get on well with ?
1151676782 Q * coocoon Quit: 
1151676830 N * Guest113 otaku42_away
1151676871 M * doener tanjix: search for __DEFAULT and you should find the relevant parts... but AFAICT these vars are just a fallback if something's wrong with the vdirbase symlink
1151677010 M * micah hi all
1151677097 M * tanjix vs-master:~# vserver rh9 build -m apt-rpm --hostname vserver.sh --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.3.1 -- -d fc1              
1151677097 M * tanjix mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist
1151677097 M * tanjix vs-master:~# 
1151677111 M * tanjix must there be iso images or something like that ?
1151677125 M * micah is there a way to remove /proc entries from a vserver? a chkrootkit process that runs every night tries to access /proc/1/fd and gets a permission denied, if it didn't exist it wouldn't look at it
1151677213 M * Bertl micah: if you start your own init inside, it will be able to access that
1151677227 M * Bertl micah: it's part of the fake init blend through
1151677241 M * Bertl micah: but IMHO the chrootkit is broken if it checks that
1151677343 M * doener Bertl: well, or the rootkit is broken by producing a situation that needs such a check to find the rootkit... and I doubt that the rootkit author will fix that
1151677368 M * micah Bertl: i think chkrootkit is looking for hidden or otherwise strange /proc entries
1151677378 M * micah not actually trying to scan the floppy drive :)
1151677405 M * doener micah: "fd" is "file descriptors" not "floppy disk" :)
1151677422 M * micah so the init would have to be configured in /etc/vservers/<xid>, not just started by hand inside the vserver?
1151677461 M * Bertl micah: the thing is, the chrootkit is (for whatever reason) trying to access stdin of init
1151677473 M * Bertl *oops* stdout
1151677501 M * Bertl but that makes no real sense to me, except if that happens from
1151677519 M * Bertl a typical 'find' scan which does not except procfs
1151677550 M * Bertl so IMHO the 'proper' fix would be to teach the rootkit not to look in procfs for example
1151677579 M * micah ahh, that could be... I should look at chkrootkit to see what its doing, I just thought removing /proc/1/fd would be easier than mucking around in that code 
1151677622 M * micah so i do have an init process running in the vserver, is it the wrong type?
1151677623 M * micah root         1  0.0  0.0  1956  548 ?        S    Jun01   3:01 init [2]  
1151677643 M * doener Bertl: how do you know if it's stdin or stdout? did you just strace that locally?
1151677676 M * Bertl doener: no, I just guessed it, 0 = stdin, 1 = stdout, 2 = stderr
1151677727 M * doener Bertl: I know, but the path was just /proc/1/fd actually... AFAICT there's no fd involved yet.. just the directory
1151677778 M * Bertl doener: right you are ... *getting some coffee now*
1151677799 M * doener ah, you read that as .../fd/1 :) did consider that
1151677802 M * doener s/did/didn't/
1151677935 M * tanjix Do I need any isos or s.th oin my host machine to create e.g. an rh9 vserver? Didn't really relaize the working method :(
1151678031 M * doener tanjix: debian host, right? all build methods except debootstrap need the used tools to be already installed (debootstrap is fetched from the debian repository as it works virtually everywhere)
1151678055 M * doener so you apt-rpm based build fails, because debian has no apt-rpm
1151678056 M * tanjix doener: Correct, it's a debian sarge host machine
1151678125 M * tanjix doener: i wrote some line above an error when trying to user vserver rh9 build ....
1151678139 M * tanjix doener: it said "mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist"
1151678143 M * doener tanjix: yeah, I just explained the error ;)
1151678143 M * Bertl doener: it's easy to install the missing stuff nowadays
1151678171 M * tanjix doener: ok, but i don't understand :( so i must install apt-rpm ?
1151678175 M * Bertl doener: I managed to install a centos guest with yum on a debian system without issues (even was an alpha!)
1151678178 M * doener Bertl: how would that work for apt-rpm? doesn't that conflict with "apt-deb"?
1151678202 Q * Viper0482 Quit: one day, i'll find this peer guy and then i'll reset his connection!!
1151678217 M * doener Bertl: debian sarge? if it was etch, ok, there's yum for etch.... for sarge you need a backport or install yum yourself AFAIK
1151678219 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497680A.dip.t-dialin.net
1151678230 M * Bertl doener: sarge + tons of backports :)
1151678265 M * Bertl doener: but does sarge without backports work for anybody?
1151678283 M * doener Bertl: sure, I know lots of servers that run plain sarge...
1151678345 M * doener and I forgot that you like home-grown distros... are you still running that Mandrake 8.2(?) beast?
1151678375 M * Bertl yeah, it's a mandrake 8.2/9.1/2006.0/2007.0 hybrid now :)
1151678404 M * Bertl probably I should switch to LFS :)
1151678520 A * doener still wonders how you manage to a) keep that thing running, b) not mess up between distro and homegrown rpms, c) keep up with security issues...
1151678715 Q * Viper0482 Read error: Operation timed out
1151678858 M * tanjix doener: can you give me a shor doc on how to get that to work? :)
1151678905 J * schimmi ~sts@port-212-202-73-176.dynamic.qsc.de
1151678966 M * doener tanjix: you should probably ask Bertl instead, I never tried that on sarge
1151679000 M * Bertl tanjix: well, it was actually quite simple, I first started with adding all the backport stuff to my sources.list
1151679001 M * tanjix ok, @ Bertl: can you give a short explanation? :)
1151679017 M * Bertl tanjix: then I installed yum (via apt-get install) and checked that it worked
1151679029 M * tanjix Bertl: can you give me the sources for the backports you used ?
1151679033 M * Bertl tanjix: then I updated the tools to the latest backports version
1151679077 M * Bertl tadeb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
1151679077 M * Bertl deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
1151679081 M * Bertl -ta
1151679107 M * Bertl I'll upload that, you need to tweak the preferences too
1151679157 M * Bertl nah, don't have access to that machine right now ...
1151679175 M * Bertl but google for setting up backports, that should give you the required hints
1151679182 J * idelac idelac@geodet.geof.hr
1151679218 M * Bertl welcome idelac!
1151679224 M * idelac hello
1151679336 M * tanjix Bertl: I added that to my sources.list. now apt-get install yum ?
1151679366 M * Bertl try that, might work (you might have to add the version somehow)
1151679382 M * Bertl something like this:
1151679383 M * Bertl apt-get -t sarge-backports install yum
1151679402 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497661B.dip.t-dialin.net
1151679404 M * tanjix ok, running. this will install a lot of other stuff on my machine
1151679410 M * tanjix finished
1151679420 M * tanjix how can i test if it works ?
1151679429 Q * idelac Quit: BitchX: now with wings
1151679463 M * Bertl tanjix: try to update util-vserver too
1151679482 M * Bertl (similar command)
1151679503 M * tanjix done
1151679576 M * Bertl now try
1151679586 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1151679588 M * Bertl vserver centos build -m yum -- -d centos42
1151679618 M * tanjix vs-master:/vservers# vserver centos build -m yum -- -d centos42
1151679618 M * tanjix mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist
1151679618 M * tanjix vs-master:/vservers# 
1151679652 M * Bertl mkdir /etc/rpm
1151679688 M * tanjix did so, now:
1151679689 M * tanjix Warning, could not load sqlite, falling back to pickle
1151679689 M * tanjix http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4.2/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found
1151679689 M * tanjix Trying other mirror.
1151679689 M * tanjix Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: update
1151679690 M * tanjix failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1151679690 M * tanjix Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1151679730 M * Bertl ah, I got the repsoitory updates too .. sec maybe I can find them
1151679792 M * Bertl try http://www.c2root.be/distri.tgz
1151679834 M * Bertl you want to unpack that and move the contents into /etc/vservers/.distributions/
1151679840 M * tanjix ok
1151679851 M * Bertl i.e. without the 'distributions'
1151679929 M * tanjix finished. now trying again ?
1151679934 M * Bertl yup
1151679947 M * tanjix same error
1151679955 M * Bertl the mirror one?
1151679974 M * Bertl that is unusual, your networking/resolving is okay?
1151679975 M * tanjix complete output when trying again:
1151679981 M * tanjix vs-master:~# vserver centos build -m yum -- -d centos42
1151679981 M * tanjix You are using a version of yum which is insecure and broken in chroot
1151679981 M * tanjix related operations; either apply the patches shipped in the 'contrib/'
1151679981 M * tanjix directory of util-vserver, or ask the author of yum to apply them
1151679981 M * tanjix (preferred).
1151679982 M * tanjix In the meantime, 'vyum' will continue with dirty hacks which might not
1151679982 M * tanjix work when the vserver is running and local DOS attacks are possible.
1151679984 M * tanjix Execution will continue in 5 seconds...
1151679984 M * tanjix Warning, could not load sqlite, falling back to pickle
1151679986 M * tanjix http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4.2/updates/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found
1151679986 M * tanjix Trying other mirror.
1151679988 M * tanjix Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: update
1151679988 M * tanjix failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1151679990 M * tanjix Error: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from update: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
1151679990 M * tanjix vs-master:~# 
1151679992 M * tanjix yes, it is ok
1151680003 M * Bertl try to use paste.linux-vserver.org for more than 3 lines or so)
1151680009 M * tanjix ok :)
1151680030 M * Bertl are you sure you did put the contents into the right dir :)
1151680035 M * tanjix yes
1151680038 M * tanjix in the dir you told me
1151680057 M * Bertl okay, let's try with the following sequence of commands:
1151680069 M * Bertl mv /etc/vservers/.distributions /etc/vservers/.distributions.old
1151680092 M * Bertl tar xzfC distri.tgz /etc/vservers/
1151680104 M * Bertl mv /etc/vservers/distributions /etc/vservers/.distributions
1151680174 M * tanjix done
1151680177 M * Bertl ah, you did an 'apt-get update' after you added the backports, yes?
1151680188 M * tanjix sure :)
1151680193 M * Bertl okay, good, try again
1151680234 M * tanjix http://paste.linux-vserver.org/138
1151680297 M * Bertl seems the 4.2 mirror is gone, try with centos4 instead
1151680312 M * Bertl ah, centos43 even better :)
1151680318 M * tanjix centos4 works
1151680352 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151680393 M * Bertl there are yum repositories for many distros, all of them should work with a little tweaking of the .distribution files
1151680430 M * Bertl tanjix: you might want to add a 'yum on debian' page to the wiki :)
1151680443 M * micah so looking at chkrootkit, it calls a program called ifpromisc which determines if devices are improperly in promisc. mode, or hidden in odd ways
1151680460 M * micah and does it this way:
1151680460 M * micah  * inodes from /proc/net/packet, when a match is found, the processes exe
1151680460 M * micah  * is stored */
1151680486 M * micah basically walking the process fd dir
1151680514 M * Bertl and init shows up in /proc/net/packet or what?
1151680529 M * micah and doing things like this: if (snprintf(path, sizeof(path), "/proc/%s/fd", process) == -1)
1151680599 M * Bertl where does 'process' come from?
1151680633 M * micah no, nothing is in /proc/net/packet, looking for process
1151680676 M * Milf Hey Bertl, I tried 2.6.17-vs2.0.2-rc23.2-smp-VS_REMAP_SADDR but that also didn't solve my localhost problem.
1151680687 M * Bertl daniel_hozac, doener, micah, @all@: btw, I had a funny idea, maybe you can comment on it:
1151680695 M * Milf So one last question: What is the problem with mapping localhost into just one Guest on the server?
1151680696 M * tanjix Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/139 - is that ok ?
1151680719 M * micah huh, it only is called like: lk_processes();
1151680724 M * micah err, walk_processes();
1151680728 M * Bertl Milf: I still assume a configuration issue on your side ...
1151680758 M * Bertl micah: does that start at 1 and iterate over all pids (up to 65535) or what?
1151680767 M * Milf I tried all that, changed all parameters that responded to either 127.0.0.1 or localhost, but that didn't help either.
1151680787 M * Bertl tanjix: seems to happen sometimes, didn't figure out why
1151680802 M * tanjix Bertl: ok, then it shouldn't matter
1151680816 M * Bertl Milf: we will investigate it, but we need a simple test case
1151680829 M * Bertl daniel_hozac, doener, micah, @all@: back to my idea :)
1151680842 M * Milf Thing is, I probably won't be able to keep my current job longer than the end of the year. So I don't care, I just want to get some cool things done. :)
1151680860 M * Milf Bertl: Who do you mean when you say 'we will investigate'?
1151680918 M * Bertl what if we release 2.0.2 _and_ shortly after the 2.1.1 as 2.2.0 and just make two 'stable' trees instead of one? and have a new devel tree 2.3.x with all the v6 stuff and such?
1151680927 M * tanjix the centos mirror seems to be veeeeery slow :)
1151680942 M * Bertl Milf: you, me, the others :)
1151680968 M * micah Bertl: looks like it walks over every process ID on the system
1151680981 M * Milf Ok, I don't have too much time left today. So tell me if I can prepare anything for the investigation.
1151680985 A * micah ponders bertl's idea
1151680989 M * Bertl micah: then changing it to starting at 2 instead of one should fix it
1151681005 M * Bertl micah: and if init is compromised, you can save the chrootkit anyways :)
1151681019 M * Bertl -ch
1151681022 M * Hollow Bertl: well, why not release 2.1.1 and put v6 and such in 2.2.2?
1151681028 M * Hollow 2.1.2
1151681044 M * micah Bertl: yes, but that means hacking that code, i'd much rather just make a vserver config option to enable an init, if possible
1151681058 M * Bertl Hollow: thing is, after all that testing and fixing up, the devel tree got pretty stable itself
1151681118 M * Hollow do you plan to add new features to 2.0.*?
1151681138 M * micah thinking of people coming into the project trying to figure out which patchset to use, they are going to look at the two stable ones and need to be able to make a decision about which they should use
1151681147 M * Bertl in this case, we would basically stop adding features to 2.0.x
1151681157 M * Bertl (only bugfixes)
1151681173 M * Hollow in other words, 2.2 would be the new stable
1151681180 M * Bertl and would continue developing in 2.3.x, releasing stable 2.2.x as new stable, yes
1151681186 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1151681188 M * Bertl very similar to 2.4 and 2.6 kernel
1151681193 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1151681198 M * Hollow yeah, that's ok with me
1151681200 M * stefani alo, salut
1151681274 M * Bertl micah: of course we would label them slightly different (e.g. very stable legacy tree) and stable main tree or so) and give some kind of comparison referring to 2.4 and 2.6 as examples ...
1151681275 M * Hollow but apropos stable.. i got some strange error lately... when starting apache shmget return ENOSPC, but no limits are set, and ipcs on the host shows much sem arrays
1151681312 M * Bertl Hollow: sounds like shmem which is not cleaned up
1151681313 M * Hollow can this be caused by "reboot -f" in guests?
1151681329 M * Bertl Hollow: only if you use dynamic contexts :)
1151681351 M * Hollow ah yeah, please let's disable them completely in 2.2 ;)
1151681359 M * micah hehe
1151681360 M * Hollow s(disable/remove/
1151681374 M * Bertl that would be my choice then, same for the _very_ old legacy stuff
1151681392 M * Hollow finally :)
1151681397 M * Hollow like the old net stuff?
1151681409 M * tanjix Bertl: it gives out a lot of "errors" á la: No math for: PACKAGE-NAME
1151681480 M * Bertl Hollow: for now it's just a weird idea, need some more input first .)
1151681492 M * micah let me make sure I understand... first release 2.0.2 as the next stable release. Then shortly thereafter release 2.1.1 as a 2.2.0 stable release. So there would be stable release 2.0.2 and 2.2.0?
1151681513 M * Bertl micah: yes, similar to 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
1151681524 M * micah ah, i understand... 
1151681531 M * tanjix Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/140
1151681547 M * r_marvin more like 2.2 and 2.4 , as 2.7 appears to be missing
1151681587 M * Bertl r_marvin: right
1151681590 M * tanjix btw: using centos43 does not work
1151681632 M * Bertl tanjix: okay, but the basic install stuff seems to work (you are on your own here, but you might bug debian folks regarding yum and friends)
1151681674 M * Bertl tanjix: I did a centos42 install here a week (or two) ago, when the mirror still had it
1151681684 M * tanjix I tried to start ht evserver now, but it does not work
1151681691 M * tanjix it says there would be no config ?
1151681697 M * tanjix must i create that by hand ?
1151681709 M * Bertl no, the config is created by the build process
1151681734 M * tanjix ahh, my fault
1151681740 M * tanjix just mistyped the name
1151681767 M * micah Bertl: i dont think its a bad idea, however I think people are going to want to be able to make educated decisions about which stable that they should use
1151681774 M * Bertl tanjix: depending on the distro, you might need to set the initstyle to plain/sysv
1151681793 M * Bertl micah: that's a good job for the feature matrix, IMHO
1151681796 M * micah Bertl: so people will be always asking here why they should use stable 2.0.2 over 2.2.0
1151681841 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Release+FAQ
1151681847 M * micah right, so the answer would be usually -- if you need to maintain legacy because you haven't transitioned, you should use 2.0.2, otherwise you should use 2.2.0
1151681858 M * Bertl precisely
1151681876 J * Freezo ~user@nat-7.progress-tvk.ru
1151681882 M * Bertl welcome Freezo!
1151681892 M * tanjix Bertl: vserver started, the standard install does not include ssh, right?
1151681905 M * Bertl micah: we drop a lot of legacy stuff from 2.2.x and keep all the old stuff in 2.0.2
1151681928 M * Bertl tanjix: probably not, you can try vyum to add it
1151681967 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1151681975 M * Freezo hi
1151681976 M * tanjix hmm, how ? :) there is no help page fpr vyum :(
1151682044 Q * Freezo Quit: 
1151682131 M * Bertl tanjix: vyum --help
1151682148 M * tanjix i tried vyum centos -- install ssh
1151682154 M * Bertl it's a wrapper for yum, so it takes all options and stuff like yum
1151682166 M * tanjix i dont know the usage of yum :(
1151682172 M * Bertl never used yum, so I do not know either :)
1151682412 Q * Milf Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151682717 M * tanjix hm would it be easier to use guest images ?
1151683136 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A07175.dip.t-dialin.net
1151683199 M * tanjix what do i have to enter for the following variables:
1151683199 M * tanjix IPROOTMASK=          
1151683199 M * tanjix IPROOTBCAST= 
1151683388 M * Bertl tanjix: they are not used with new style config
1151683406 M * tanjix ok, but the deploy.sh script wans them :(
1151683424 M * Bertl no idea what the 'deploy.sh' script is or does :)
1151683450 M * Bertl or do you talk about in guest config files?
1151683461 M * tanjix http://debian.marlow.dk/vserver/guest/
1151683473 M * tanjix i try to use thoise images
1151683476 M * Bertl that is very outdated legacy stuff ...
1151683491 M * Bertl you are better off if you create the guests with the skeleton method
1151683504 M * Bertl and 'just' fill in the acutal image contents
1151683545 M * tanjix hm, could you explain what you mean ?
1151683948 M * matti Bertl: Have a minute?
1151683949 M * matti ;]
1151684092 M * Bertl sure ...
1151684549 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net
1151684551 M * romke hi
1151684598 M * Bertl wb romke!
1151684804 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151685466 M * Bertl okay, off for now (have to clean up a little), back later
1151685490 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1151686216 Q * dlezcano Quit: Leaving
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1151688896 M * s0undt3ch hello ppl
1151688913 M * s0undt3ch I'm setting up bind inside a guest
1151688941 M * s0undt3ch do I need to setup localhost.zone and 127.zone?
1151689194 N * sars sarnold
1151690232 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151691137 Q * schimmi Quit: Verlassend
1151692052 M * waldi s0undt3ch: no, but it is better to do it
1151692671 M * s0undt3ch waldi: so, if we haven't got access to 127...... what will it do for us?
1151693158 M * s0undt3ch I am inside a guest, so I have no lo device
1151693706 P * romke 
1151695015 M * r_marvin you might still get questions about it anyway
1151695039 J * ntrs ~ntrs@62.162.190.139
1151695124 M * s0undt3ch r_marvin: was that for me?
1151695155 M * r_marvin yes
1151695490 M * s0undt3ch r_marvin: which questions? bind might be questioned about localhost ir 127....?
1151695507 M * r_marvin yes, i meant queries
1151695551 M * s0undt3ch r_marvin: so should I not comment out the default settings for localhost and 127.xxx?
1151695557 M * s0undt3ch would the defaults do?
1151695908 M * r_marvin probably
1151695928 M * r_marvin as a side note, you DO know about the capset thingy?
1151695938 M * s0undt3ch nope :)
1151696190 M * s0undt3ch what should I know?
1151696315 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/some_hints_from_john see BIND
1151696394 M * daniel_hozac err, i meant http://linux-vserver.org/ProblematicPrograms
1151696697 M * s0undt3ch k, thanks
1151696835 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-220-183.hive.is
1151697436 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.166
1151697760 J * tuxmania ~bonbons@83.222.39.166
1151697762 Q * phreak`` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151698054 M * Hollow bonbons: ping
1151698082 Q * bonbons Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151698085 M * Hollow :/
1151698098 M * daniel_hozac might have better luck with tuxmania ;)
1151698120 M * Hollow ic.. ;)
1151698151 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@62.162.191.207
1151698178 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@140.211.166.183
1151698267 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151698612 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151698830 N * tuxmania bonbons
1151698837 M * bonbons Hollow: pong
1151698881 M * Hollow bonbons: initng was /sbin/initng and handled like normal init on boot, right?
1151698930 M * bonbons yep
1151698942 M * Hollow ok, thanks
1151698976 M * bonbons you have two options when building initng, either it's /sbin/initng or if it's compiled to replace init in place it's /sbin/init (but then user should be knowing what he's doing)
1151699087 P * meandtheshell 
1151700379 Q * mire Quit: Leaving
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1151701744 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-220-183.hive.is
1151702802 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1151702948 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1151703102 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1151704415 J * click click@ti511110a080-0727.bb.online.no
1151704599 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1151705757 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1151705939 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1151706294 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
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