1151109250 Q * lilo2 Quit: bbiab 1151110452 J * shedi ~siggi@130.208.221.254 1151111554 J * doener ~doener@i5387C2AB.versanet.de 1151112355 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151113700 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye... 1151114947 J * doener ~doener@i5387C20D.versanet.de 1151115759 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US 1151117524 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151117903 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1151119863 Q * Zaki Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151120459 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.107.127.121 1151121258 J * lilo2 ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1151123024 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1151123607 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1151123939 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1151124119 J * igor56 ~igor@adsl-67-124-149-255.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net 1151124205 M * igor56 hi folks.... I was last time on any kind of irc back in 1996/1997... so, please, be tolerant with me 1151124320 M * igor56 I would like to ask only one question regarding vserver: can we control hardware of the host OS via vserver ? for example, can I talk to parallel port via parport kernel driver ? 1151124361 M * igor56 hello ?? anybody home ? 1151124556 J * fwl ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1151124567 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1151124569 M * igor56 hi fwl 1151125809 M * doener if you copy the device node into the vserver, you should be able to do that 1151126093 M * igor56 wow that is great 1151126256 M * igor56 real life scenario: I want to control GPIB based instruments vis the host PC and in the same time via vserver .. which control will prevail if BOTH users start GPIB command at the same time ? 1151126341 M * igor56 or ... can you give me a hint where I can read stuff related to the hardware control ? 1151126342 M * doener it will be exactly the same as if you execute it twice on the host 1151126365 M * igor56 wow wow wow I am really impressed ... 1151126377 M * igor56 I am sold 1151126440 M * doener it's because there's just one kernel running, the vserver is, from that point of view, just an extended chroot 1151126488 M * igor56 oooo ... I see .... yes it is clear now ... 1151126648 M * igor56 doener: thanks for the info.. it is a funny a fuzzy feeling using IRC after 9-10 years of NOT using it :))) 1151126811 M * doener hehe :) you're welcome! 1151127291 M * igor56 I started my IRC career in 1993 ... At that time I knew, on certan chanels, ALL the users... IRC was pretty serious.... by 1996 a lot of jung folks (10-15 years old) flooded most of the channels.... so... it was very difficult to have any meaningfull conversation... back in 95 there were 2-3 main IRC networks.. one of them was IRCNET and the other was EFNET... and we were connected ALL across the globe... lag was tolerab 1151127291 M * igor56 is the picture different... it is not easy to find IRC server which connects continents... lag is terrible... oooh welll thay call this THE PROGRESS (aka advance in technology) ... 1151127557 M * doener oftc has a few servers in at least the usa and in europe, don't know about other areas. can't really say anything about the lag, as I only take a peek at my irssi window once every few minutes and thus see replies with huge delays anyway 1151127622 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54974D48.dip.t-dialin.net 1151127736 M * doener but about young people... I'd be happy if it was only those in the age of 10 to 15... Those folks on quakenet are often 20-30, still acting like total idiots... 1151127870 M * igor56 I found on one of the FAQs the answer to my original questions http://linux-vserver.org/some_hints_from_john Q: Why isn't there a device /dev/bla? within a guest 1151127870 M * igor56 A: Device nodes allow Userspace to access hardware (or virtual resources). Creating a device node inside the guest's namespace will give access to that device, so for security reasons, the number of 'given' devices is small. 1151127923 M * igor56 But... in any case thanks for the info.... 1151128126 M * igor56 here is than another question: If I have on host device /dev/gpib0 and on the guest name space same name again /dev/gpib0 ... how come that there is no confilct... I guess the authors of the vserve know very well what they are doing ... 1151128235 M * doener well, the host's /dev is /dev, the vserver's /dev is (usually) at /vservers/$NAME/dev. Meaning that you have two different device node files. A part of the vserver-concept is a secure chroot (ie. no way to break out) 1151128259 M * igor56 I will leave now it is time to go to bed ... Greetings from Sunnyvale, California (Silicon Valley) 1151128267 M * doener so you have two different device nodes, that just happen to represent the same minor/major combination 1151128281 M * doener sleep well! 1151128284 M * igor56 ok I see 1151128348 M * igor56 I will try to implement vserver in one of our labs at National Semiconductor where I work 1151128409 M * doener sounds good :) let us know if any problems show up 1151128437 M * igor56 can I install on RH8 ( yes yes I know... pretty old distro ) a more modern distro within vserver ... for example CentOS 4.3 1151128516 M * doener yep, you can mix distros without problems. CentOS vserver builds are natively supported by util-vserver by now IIRC and there's also a howto that describes the process. 1151128570 M * igor56 I am maintaing 50 workstations all around the globe (4 networks) and a lot stand alone boxes all of them run RH8.... I have to spend a lot of time to convert all these lab workstations to somethin newer ... we have labs in Korea, Japan, Germany, Finland Scotland, USA .. india 1151128681 M * igor56 I started the conversion to LINUX because I was sick and tired paying arms and legs to MS and havinf as a bonus instability, viruses, licensing compliance ... etc etc PITA 1151128719 M * doener no doubt 1151128803 M * doener ok, need to get breakfast (coffee! :) 1151128807 M * doener cu! 1151128914 M * igor56 now B.Gates sold 50 licenses less or over 3 years is 150 licenses... my users are a lot happier... open source GPIB driver work as a champ... so what else we need... we use PERL, TCSH, C, PYTHON as our main tools... to drive the instrument.... LINUX is rock solid it runs on 8-10 years old hardware my slowest workstation is 10 years old runing on cytrix CPU 188MHz wiht 64 MB RAM and 2 GB disk... it works 1151128914 M * igor56 run their tests 1151128950 M * igor56 cytrix=cyrix 1151129141 M * igor56 so... because I am by nature very lazy... 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~Kacak-4-@81.214.40.139 1151163682 J * mugwump ~samv@202.78.240.73 1151163809 Q * GURKAN Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151164099 J * Piet ~piet@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1151164121 M * s0undt3ch coocoon: hello there 1151164127 M * coocoon hello 1151164127 M * coocoon cool 1151164154 M * s0undt3ch what's up? 1151164156 M * Piet Hi 1151164263 M * Piet Bertl_oO: i'm still stuck with a couple cron jobs using 'find' and giving me "/proc/1/fd: Permission denied". I looked at the scripts they run, but modifying all the scripts to run find not on /proc but on everything else would take a lot of time and would mean i'd need to maintain a lot of patches. 1151164283 M * Piet You said there was another option, such as creating an init. How would I go about that? 1151164307 M * daniel_hozac install init in the guest and change your initstyle to plain. 1151164359 M * Piet daniel_hozac: oh, thanks. how would i 'change [my] init style to plain'? 1151164387 M * Piet it's a debian sarge system if that matters 1151164435 M * daniel_hozac echo plain > /etc/vservers/.../apps/init/style 1151164467 M * Piet so that needs to be done onthe host system, right? 1151164474 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1151164489 M * Piet are there negative side effects of installing an init? 1151164527 M * daniel_hozac you won't see the service messages when you run vserver ... start/stop. 1151164538 M * daniel_hozac and init will consume a bit of resources. 1151164540 J * _TURK_ ~Kacak-4-@81.214.40.139 1151164575 M * Piet daniel_hozac: ok, that sounds bearable. is it a common step to do this? 1151164590 M * daniel_hozac it's a requirement for running gentoo guests. 1151164610 M * Piet i see. thank you. 1151164671 M * Piet daniel_hozac: would you know how to install an init on debian? 1151164688 M * daniel_hozac i'd guess you already have sysvinit installed. 1151164704 M * daniel_hozac ls /sbin/init will tell you for sure though. 1151164758 M * Piet yes, the package is installed 1151164780 M * Piet and the file exists, too 1151164808 M * Piet so all i'd need to do is make the change on the host system, and the "/proc/1/fd: Permission denied" errors should vanish? 1151164817 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1151164833 M * Piet aah lovely, gonna try that, thank you 1151165057 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1151165099 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: is it possible to have two subnets (addr+mask) that overlap without having one being a subset of the otherone? (I don't think so) 1151165151 M * daniel_hozac i don't see how that would be possible. 1151165169 J * samuel_ ~samuel@jupe.quebectelephone.com 1151165196 Q * _TURK_ Quit: -»«- Kaçak v4 -»«- www.Kacak.net -»«- 1151165238 M * bonbons ok :) so net versus net is easy, just the range/net part left which is hard! 1151165290 J * _TURK_ ~Kacak-4-@81.214.40.139 1151165755 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: hmm, that's only true if the mask matches /^0*1*$/ 00101111 versus 00011111 overlap, but there's not one of them completely inside the otherone 1151165785 M * daniel_hozac that's not a valid mask. 1151165810 M * bonbons when, not valid to define a subnet, but for masking a guest's addresses it is reasonable 1151165927 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: vlogin seems to work on alpha after upgrading to dietlibc-0.30 1151165934 Q * _TURK_ Quit: -»«- Kaçak v4 -»«- www.Kacak.net -»«- 1151165977 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: good. 1151167288 M * Hollow damn. we win again.. 1151167292 M * Hollow ;) 1151167359 J * DrApple appleboy@ip68-231-192-15.oc.oc.cox.net 1151167384 P * DrApple 1151167782 J * shedi ~siggi@213.190.108.50 1151169001 J * yelifu ~hongdanst@202.38.114.129 1151169539 Q * fwl Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1151169835 Q * EKC Quit: 1151171684 J * fwl ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1151172490 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151173187 J * coocoon ~coocoon@84.160.117.180 1151174726 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1151174865 M * Piet is it normally so that you cannot, being root, set process priorities using `nice -n $PRIORITY $EXECUTABLE` in a vserver? 1151174910 M * bonbons Piet: you can always reduce priority, but not increas it with default guest capabilities 1151174944 M * Piet thanks bonbons 1151174969 M * bonbons let me check which capability it is... 1151175015 M * Piet i realized that the cron job which updates locatedb fails silently because of that on debian sarge 1151175017 M * bonbons it's SYS_NICE 1151175080 M * Piet ok, that should be sufficient information to file a bug against findutls 1151176012 M * trippeh Anyone knows what the 2.0.2-rc23.2 -> -rc24 changes is about? 1151176079 M * trippeh Ah 1151176085 M * trippeh Nevermind :) 1151176872 M * Piet bonbons: i just looked into this further and it seems like i can increase priority but nnit decrease it ... 1151176948 M * Piet `nice -n 0 updatedb` works but `nice -n 1 updatedb` won't 1151176995 M * bonbons Piet: be careful with meaning! increase nicenesss is decrease priority 1151177043 M * Piet that's what i'm saying, no? 1151177073 M * Piet nice -n 0 -> low niceness, high priority -> works 1151177089 M * Piet nice -n 1 -> higher niceness, lower priority -> doesn't work 1151177121 M * bonbons that's not the expected behavior for vserver 1151177129 M * bonbons let's check in the sources 1151177154 M * Piet maybe i'm misinterpreting the meaning of the -n switch 1151177179 M * daniel_hozac nice -n 0 should mean no change. 1151177216 M * Piet ok, so what you pass by -n is an adjustment, notan absolute value 1151177260 M * Piet however, even then, 1 should work, too, no? 1151177277 M * daniel_hozac yes, 1 is supposed to work. 1151177319 M * daniel_hozac what version are you using? 1151177336 M * Piet daniel_hozac: of find? or vserver? 1151177348 M * daniel_hozac vserver. 1151177369 M * Piet 2.1.0 1151177369 M * bonbons works correctly here with vserver-2.1.1-rc20 1151177388 M * Piet # uname -r 1151177388 M * Piet 2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0 1151177392 M * daniel_hozac works here on 2.1.1-rc22 and 2.0.2-rc22. 1151177406 M * daniel_hozac why are you using such an old version of a development series? 1151177409 M * Piet weird 1151177607 M * doener Piet: it's not a bug in the findutils, they expect to work on a "real" host 1151177642 M * doener you can set the ignegnice context flag to make the vserver simply ignore negative nice vaules instead of producing an error message 1151177674 M * doener that one was added because debian started to adjust the niceness of mysqld, seems they now also do it for updatedb... 1151177778 M * Piet http://pastebin.ca/70738 1151177821 M * daniel_hozac looks like you have some more serious issues. 1151177837 M * daniel_hozac could you try a more recent kernel? 1151177874 M * doener hm, barrier on the wrong directory? 1151177877 M * Piet doener: a problem occurs whenever a change to niceness is made, whether it's positive or negative 1151177879 M * Piet daniel_hozac: like what? 1151177884 M * doener it's su that fails, not nice 1151177927 M * Piet oh, i don't have the root password for the guest, so i did sudo -H su - 1151177965 M * Piet daniel_hozac: i don't currently have access o the host system 1151177985 M * Piet and i'd like to keep reboots low 1151177995 M * daniel_hozac Piet: 2.1.1-rc24, perhaps? 1151178037 M * Piet any change to the kernel will need to wait a couple weeks 1151178059 M * Piet btw, the same thing works fine when running it on /bin/true 1151178151 M * Piet http://pastebin.ca/70738#comments 1151178185 M * Piet -1 doesn't work, but we had expected that 1151178211 M * daniel_hozac is find setuid to nobody? 1151178248 M * daniel_hozac uh, i mean nice. 1151178262 M * Piet umm how do i find out? 1151178310 M * daniel_hozac ls -l /bin/nice? 1151178324 M * Piet -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15288 Jul 16 2004 /usr/bin/nice 1151178327 M * Piet no 's' 1151178631 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@82.233.222.74 1151178635 M * Piet daniel_hozac: is this like :-) or more like :-( 1151178704 M * daniel_hozac what does strace -fF nice -n 0 find say? 1151178799 M * Piet open("task", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) 1151178799 M * Piet write(1, "/fs/xfs/inherit_noatime\n./proc/s"..., 2250 1151178805 M * Piet that's the last two lines 1151179025 M * Piet daniel_hozac: now i just ran just 'nice -0 find' and it works fine 1151179052 M * daniel_hozac so nice -0 and nice -n 0 differ? 1151179052 M * Piet but actually, you wanted me to run `strace -fF nice -n 1 find` , right? 1151179091 M * Piet no, sorry, i meant to say: now i just ran just 'nice -n 0 find' and it works fine 1151179133 M * Piet but -n 0 worked fine before 1151179147 M * Piet -n 1 and -n -1 caused trouble 1151179228 M * daniel_hozac ah, it was nice -n 0 updatedb. 1151179234 M * daniel_hozac i guess updatedb runs find as nobody? 1151179259 M * Piet yes, but that may not be all it does, let me check 1151179276 M * Piet # strace -fF nice -n 1 updatedb 2>&1| wc -l 1151179276 M * Piet 1636 1151179288 M * Piet # strace -fF nice -n 0 updatedb 2>&1| wc -l 1151179288 M * Piet 149610 1151179471 M * Piet hmm, updatedb does a lot of stuff, but one of them is running find as nobody 1151179485 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1151179690 M * Piet i guess i'll just get myself a couple of beers. that will solve the problem for tonight at least 1151179706 M * Piet thanks for your help so far, everyone 1151180395 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151181890 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@59.112.8.221 1151182022 Q * lilo2 Quit: brb 1151182150 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US 1151182212 Q * DreamerC_ Quit: leaving 1151182256 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@59.112.8.221 1151182280 Q * DreamerC Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151182373 J * lilo2 ~0710AAD4@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1151183435 Q * s0undt3ch Remote host closed the connection 1151185670 Q * Piet Quit: :tiuQ 1151186621 J * kir__ tis-e9ca77@213.152.157.70 1151187272 Q * fwl Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1151187382 Q * kir__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1151188053 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A057CC.dip.t-dialin.net 1151188064 M * coocoon hello 1151189368 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection 1151192498 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1151192941 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-255-167.dsl.telepac.pt 1151193419 Q * lilo2 Quit: 1151193583 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1151193596 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A057CC.dip.t-dialin.net