1148947513 Q * nammie Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148949740 Q * dna_ Quit: Verlassend
1148949942 J * doener ~doener@i5387CE4C.versanet.de
1148950350 Q * doener_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148952638 J * Nam ~nam@S0106001195551ff0.va.shawcable.net
1148953644 M * matti Bertl: I just saw the: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6641; looks very promising.
1148954611 M * Bertl yep
1148954717 M * anonc hmm - getting '[kernel] Badness in dst_release at include/net/dst.h:154' with 2.1.1-rc21 but I am using a bonding device - this came up on the vserver lists a while ago - did it end up being a vserver issue or a kernel/bonding driver issue - anyone remember?
1148954884 M * Bertl mainline issue IIRC, but I thought it was fixed?
1148954985 M * anonc very strange thing is it only happens on 1 of 11 identical vserver hosts, and it only occurs when a vserver running apache2 worker is started (there are apache2 prefork and multithreaded mail software vservers on the same node and they cause no problems - very strange)
1148955049 M * Bertl what mainline kernel version is this?
1148955218 M * anonc 2.6.16 + version 10 gentoo genpatches - i can break out the patches if required (presumably it would be easier for you if it was vanilla + vserver)
1148955516 M * Bertl are there any patches messing with the dst_entries?
1148955524 M * matti Bertl: :)
1148955530 M * matti Goodnight all.
1148955531 M * matti ;]
1148955535 M * Bertl night matti!
1148955541 M * matti Thanks :>
1148955552 M * anonc its 2.6.16 + http://paste.linux-vserver.org/60 + 2.1.1-rc21
1148955756 M * Bertl doesn't look suspicious ...
1148955868 M * anonc no - and the fact that it only happens on 1 of 11 servers - very strange. its not a huge deal since i can just clone a working system over the missbehaving one if necessary. i think i'll just leave it for the moment. incidentally - what it your development platform distro?
1148956076 M * Bertl mandrake
1148957406 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. have a good whatever, everyone ... cya!
1148957412 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1148957668 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148958096 J * Radiance 3940945b14@neon.trighost.org
1148958291 J * softi42 zcpykm@p549D4C5D.dip.t-dialin.net
1148958421 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148958516 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1148958866 Q * Radiance Remote host closed the connection
1148959063 J * Radiance f8ae241699@neon.trighost.org
1148959535 Q * Radiance Remote host closed the connection
1148959695 J * Radiance 4aaa994390@neon.trighost.org
1148963465 J * pbryan ~pbryan@S010600095baae0ff.vf.shawcable.net
1148964845 P * pbryan 
1148966918 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148967751 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1148968227 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1148971478 J * yelifu ~hongdanst@202.38.114.129
1148971593 M * yelifu df
1148971627 M * yelifu Where can I get kernel-2.6.16.18's vserver-2.1.1 patch?
1148971658 M * yelifu I can only get patch-2.6.16.17-vs2.1.1-rc21.diff from http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ as the latest one
1148972708 Q * yelifu Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148974212 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1148974475 J * yelifu ~hongdanst@202.38.114.129
1148974517 M * yelifu Is anyone here?
1148974916 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-216.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1148974993 M * yelifu Has anyone successfully tested the ipv6 patch?
1148975169 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio4.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1148975183 A * Milf yawns wide.
1148975217 M * harry ahaaaaaaa...
1148975233 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148975239 M * harry yelifu: just patch the 2.6.16.18 with the 2.6.16.17 patch
1148975257 M * harry 99% chance it applies cleanly (except for the makefile
1148975272 M * harry find <srctree> -name "*.rej"
1148975307 M * harry gives you a list of failed files... so if it's only the makefile, check it out... it will be: can't find extraversion=17 (which is normal, because it's 18 ;))
1148975314 M * yelifu Yes, I just found it. Are there any hints when making menuconfig?
1148975325 M * harry ?
1148975341 M * harry just... make menuconfig ?
1148975412 M * yelifu I mean which item should be choose to enable the vserver ipv6 patch when make menuconfig.
1148975504 M * harry ah, i don't know
1148975509 M * harry haven't tested that yet
1148975593 M * yelifu Ok, thank you! I'm compiling the kernel now, hoping to succeed.
1148975659 M * harry good luck with it ;)
1148976002 J * kir_home tis-e8c11f@213.152.157.70
1148976483 N * otaku42_away otaku42
1148976823 M * Milf Can anyone point me to Zeng's 'no subset' pictures?
1148977052 M * doener uhm... what exactly do you mean?
1148977289 M * Milf Zeng made some pictures to his 'no subset' theme.
1148977303 M * Milf Does he have them posted somewhere I can download them?
1148977324 M * Milf Or should I have rather uploaded them from his setup at Linuxtag?
1148977718 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-167-60.kielnet.net
1148978882 M * yelifu I met with a problem when installing vserver-utils-1.0.4.
1148978945 M * yelifu It complained missing libvserver when ./configure, but I've successfully installed libvserver-2.0_pre before.
1148979792 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1148979982 J * nammie ~nam@S0106001195551ff0.va.shawcable.net
1148980422 Q * Nam Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148980502 Q * kir_home Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148981554 J * s0undt3c1 ~s0undt3ch@bl7-248-151.dsl.telepac.pt
1148981920 P * frzzz 
1148981967 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148982012 Q * s0undt3c1 Quit: Lost terminal
1148982456 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-248-151.dsl.telepac.pt
1148982613 M * waldi hmm, what do I need for multiple seats on a linux machine?
1148982734 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-og-108-50.du.vortex.is
1148983147 M * cehteh multiple seats ... :)
1148983154 M * cehteh usb keyboards and mouses
1148983190 M * cehteh multiple graphics adapters .. and proper xconfigs
1148983278 M * doener ah, the ups guy just brought my new ibm keyboard :)
1148983405 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-192-204.pools.arcor-ip.net
1148983623 M * waldi cehteh: do you have example configs?
1148983708 M * cehteh only seen them on the vserver booth at linuxtag .. actually its nothing special, just bind the proper event device and the proper pci bus identifier to the seat and it should work .. 
1148983717 M * cehteh but you might ask zeng for details
1148983771 M * waldi email?
1148983783 M * cehteh dunno .. he joins sometimes here
1148983813 M * cehteh but i think its easy enough to figure it out by yourself
1148983970 J * Hmmmm ~Hmmmm@221.135.51.19
1148984256 M * doener hm, that's strange... i don't see waldi's messages
1148984281 M * doener just checked the logs on 13thfloor because i thought that cehteh was talking to himself ;)
1148984341 M * cehteh lol
1148984365 M * doener actually, i don't even see waldi as being on this channel...
1148984379 M * Cocoademon IT'S A TRAP!
1148984390 M * doener cehteh: does /whois waldi show him as being in #vserver for you?
1148984402 M * Cocoademon me?
1148984410 M * phedny doener: maybe you /ignore him
1148984420 M * doener phedny: no, checked that first ;)
1148984433 M * phedny then try to /cycle
1148984438 P * doener 
1148984438 J * doener ~doener@i5387CE4C.versanet.de
1148984441 M * cehteh [12:20] --- [waldi] #vserver #debian-xen @#debian-kernel 
1148984442 M * doener same
1148984465 M * cehteh partially split server ? :)
1148984476 M * cehteh [12:20] --- [waldi] quasar.oftc.net :Duesseldorf, Germany
1148984512 M * doener i can do a /whois, so that would be a rather strange net-split ;)
1148984512 M * phedny doener: try /ctcp Waldi PING
1148984528 M * doener got a reply
1148984572 Q * yelifu Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148984915 M * doener waldi: in #oftc they said that it is a "funny" bug, it happens only in #vserver... and it should disappear if you /cycle
1148984953 P * waldi 
1148984953 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1148984960 M * doener ah, there he is :)
1148986279 Q * Cocoademon Remote host closed the connection
1148987093 Q * Hmmmm Quit: Ex-Chat
1148987898 Q * s0undt3ch Quit: Lost terminal
1148988155 J * DarthVader ~Aniken@203.177.212.163
1148991067 J * neurocyte ~cjv@marvin.vdbonline.net
1148991667 M * waldi vcontext: chroot(): Permission denied
1148991669 M * waldi wtf?
1148991706 M * doener barrier on wrong directory?
1148991724 M * waldi seems so
1148991744 M * phedny I noticed some messages about IPv6 in this channel, but couldn't find any IPv6-related things on the website
1148991749 M * waldi how do I drop them?
1148991758 M * phedny does anyone know what the IPv6-status of linux-vserver is?
1148991765 M * doener waldi: setattr --~barrier
1148991778 Q * Aiken_ Quit: Leaving
1148991794 M * waldi ah
1148991810 M * doener phedny: bonbons is working on a patch, don't know the current status, but there was a message on the ml lately, let me search that
1148991845 M * doener http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg13457.html
1148991848 M * Loki|muh http://homepage.internet.lu/brunop/vserver/
1148991852 M * Loki|muh this is his homepage
1148992005 M * phedny okay, looks great
1148992289 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-248-151.dsl.telepac.pt
1148993341 M * harry is there a changelog for rc20-rc21 ?
1148993421 M * sid3windr ah
1148993429 M * sid3windr that bug from oftc also happens in #bitlbee
1148993442 M * sid3windr and I'm gonna test bonbons' v6 patch soon :)
1148993988 Q * DarthVader Quit: Leaving
1148995983 Q * doener Quit: leaving
1148996261 Q * nebuchadnezzar Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148996535 M * harry drwxr-xr-x    2 root root     48 Feb 13 15:50 vmware
1148996547 M * harry gandalf:/# rm -rf vmware/
1148996547 M * harry rm: cannot remove directory `vmware/': Device or resource busy
1148996577 M * harry it's not mounted or anything
1148996601 M * s0undt3ch rm -rf vmware ?
1148996610 M * Wonka fuser /vmware
1148996618 M * Wonka s0undt3ch: will still be busy
1148996628 M * s0undt3ch k
1148997117 M * s0undt3ch would by any chance anyone here know of how to migrate from courier to cyrus?
1148997133 A * s0undt3ch hides because he know's this ain't the channel ;)
1148997162 A * s0undt3ch yet thinks that someone might have been in this sictuation before
1148997242 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1148997395 P * neurocyte 
1148997431 M * harry Wonka: gandalf:/# lsof -n | grep vmware
1148997431 M * harry gandalf:/# ls -ld /proc/[0-9]*/cwd | grep vmware
1148997432 M * harry gandalf:/#                          
1148997589 M * harry any ideas... anyone?
1148997760 M * lilalinux so, test
1148997774 M * derjohn softi42, test 
1148997785 M * derjohn softi42, sry !
1148997875 M * derjohn lilalinux, test
1148997883 M * lilalinux what?
1148997892 M * derjohn lilalinux, dont kick me pls :)
1148998045 J * weeble ~weeble@81.52.144.1
1148998059 M * weeble Hello all
1148998074 M * weeble Installing util-vserver, I get:
1148998076 M * weeble src/keep-ctx-alive.o: In function `main':
1148998076 M * weeble keep-ctx-alive.c:(.text+0x242): undefined reference to `socket'
1148998102 M * weeble I've upgraded gcc, binutils, glibc, and tried quite a few things, but I can't make it go away
1148998118 M * weeble Using Gentoo
1148998122 M * weeble Any ideas?
1148998276 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1148998283 M * Milf Morning Bertl
1148998302 M * derjohn weeble, which patch version are you referring to?
1148998312 M * derjohn Milf, Bertl moin!
1148998319 M * Bertl morning folks!
1148998328 M * weeble Hello Bertl 
1148998348 M * weeble derjohn, It's sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.210-r13
1148998355 M * weeble It's the latest in portage
1148998391 M * weeble I tried -r12 which is the other version, and it's the same
1148998394 M * derjohn weeble, strange, Hollow and phreak`` care for that stuff uin gentoo afaik. it usually works :)
1148998406 M * weeble And I downloaded the source, and get the same error too
1148998415 M * Bertl weeble: could you try mainline util-vserver, please?
1148998426 M * weeble Bertl, Mainline?
1148998430 M * derjohn weeble, -r12 ? you mean -rc12 ? if so, check topic !
1148998449 M * harry Bertl-dude!!
1148998463 M * harry you're quite a kernel hacker... why can't i remove a dir?
1148998482 A * derjohn slaps himself ... weeble you are talking about the utils? 
1148998486 M * harry and... what other options do i have?
1148998508 M * derjohn harry, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/.... ?
1148998518 M * derjohn harry, lsof ? fuser ?
1148998541 M * harry unmount /vmware, dmsetup remove <logical volume>, lvremove logical volume, get it out of fstab, lsof -n and fuser give me nothing
1148998555 M * harry same goes for ls -ld /proc/[0-9]/cwd
1148998568 M * harry updatedb; locate vmware only gives me /vmware
1148998570 M * Milf Can anyone point me to something that will help me get a moderately current virgin Debian VServer into my really old SuSE VServer host?
1148998576 M * Bertl http://www.13thfloor.at/~ensc/util-vserver/files/alpha/util-vserver-0.30.210.tar.bz2
1148998602 M * harry and rm -rf says: device or resource busy
1148998603 M * Bertl thats for weeble and milf :)
1148998607 M * harry but.... WHY!??!?!!??!
1148998615 M * derjohn harry, reboot is no option?
1148998618 M * harry derjohn: no
1148998647 M * Bertl as you might have recognized, I'm lagging about 15 seconds behind (at least)
1148998653 M * derjohn harry, i know similar stuff from md devices .... but that issue was fixed im early 2.6 releases ...
1148998657 M * weeble OK, just tried the link you said, Bertl, and no go.
1148998665 M * weeble diet -Os gcc -g -O2 -std=c99 -Wall -pedantic -W -funit-at-a-time -o src/keep-ctx-alive src/keep-ctx-alive.o  lib/libvserver.a
1148998665 M * weeble src/keep-ctx-alive.o: In function `Esocket':
1148998665 M * weeble ./ensc_wrappers/wrappers-socket.hc:26: undefined reference to `socket'
1148998665 M * weeble src/keep-ctx-alive.o: In function `Econnect':
1148998667 M * weeble Etc.
1148998683 M * weeble I get errors on socket, connect, send, bind, listen, accept, recv
1148998704 M * Bertl looks like your libraries are broken then (especially dietlibc, I'd say)
1148998777 M * weeble Bertl, That's what I think. But I can't work out which libs :/
1148998800 M * weeble # qpkg -I -v diet
1148998800 M * weeble dev-libs/dietlibc-0.28 *
1148998831 A * micah waves
1148998855 M * Bertl weeble: what does the ./configure tell you?
1148998880 M * harry rmdir("vmware/")                        = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
1148998959 M * Bertl harry, something is mounted there or some prosess is inside and/or using it (check your nfs servre if you have one)
1148998970 M * harry no nfs there... :)
1148998973 M * harry nothing mounted
1148998987 M * weeble harry, lsof +Dvwmare
1148998999 M * weeble Bertl, What are youlooking for in the ./configure ?
1148999061 M * weeble http://rafb.net/paste/results/VV9r1d19.html
1148999105 M * harry weeble: nothing
1148999192 M * Bertl i currently have about 15000ms roundtrip time, it's not practical to answer stuff atm .. harry: check for stack traces, weeble: check for broken libraries (maybe gcc), I'm off for now
1148999223 M * weeble OK Bertl 
1148999227 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1148999238 M * harry Bertl_oO: http://pastebin.com/746812
1148999248 M * harry ah... mkay
1148999257 M * harry anyway... it's the rmdir call that returns -EBUSY
1148999260 M * harry but... why ;)
1148999267 M * weeble Hollow, phreak`` you around?
1148999398 M * Milf Hmmm, so Bertl wants me to update my tools? Will that help me get a Debian shell?
1148999425 M * Milf I know it will run (for my purposes) I just need a moderately current install as VServer
1148999577 M * weeble I'm just going to try upgrading to linux-headers-2.6.11-r2 from 2.6.8.1. That might do it. :)
1149000226 M * weeble Nope, didn't help. Going to rebuild glibc.
1149000230 M * weeble Again.
1149000776 M * Milf Hmmm, has no one an empty Debian VServer for me to copy?
1149001475 N * otaku42 otaku42_away
1149001517 M * weeble Milf, debootstrap is your friend
1149001585 M * Milf Hmmm, and that would be included where?
1149001596 M * weeble What are you running now?
1149001609 M * Milf SuSE 8.2
1149001663 M * weeble Don't know about SuSE - it's emerge debootstrap on Gentoo. Look for a package somewhere that provides it, and read the man page on how to "bootstrap" a clean, minimal Debian install
1149001819 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1149001834 M * Milf Got a URL for me then? I've got a --- rating in my geekcode for Debian.
1149001929 M * weeble Google: suse debootstrap
1149001963 M * Milf Hmmm, thing is I need a debian VServer although I'm running SuSE
1149002032 M * weeble Yes, you need the debootstrap package in SuSE to create a Debian install
1149002074 M * Milf Ah ok. That I understand.
1149002082 M * weeble Yep
1149002102 M * weeble So you're running vserver with SuSE, but somehow you need to get /vserver/debian filled with all the Debian bits and bobs
1149002140 M * weeble # debootstrap sarge /vserver/debian http://your.local.debian.mirror/
1149002146 M * weeble I think is the command
1149002161 M * Milf Yeah just a minimal install. I bitched about some project wanting to run a server they don't know the genesis of and now I've gotta get them a clean install.
1149002196 M * daniel_hozac Milf: the utils will automatically download debootstrap if you don't have it.
1149002226 M * daniel_hozac weeble: rebuilding glibc won't help, as it's dietlibc giving you problems...
1149002239 M * Milf Hmmmhmm, ok, so i'll try to finish the new server I'm setting up and try that.
1149002244 M * Milf thanks for now.
1149002265 M * weeble daniel_hozac, I don't know what the problem is building this util-vserver. I've rebuilt dietlibc a few times so far
1149002281 M * weeble And new headers and glibc is the only thing I can think of yet.
1149002313 M * weeble Does dietlibc use the kernel headers at all?
1149002375 M * daniel_hozac it's possible, but i'm not sure.
1149002409 M * weeble Well, glibc is almost done I think, and when it is, I'll try the utils, and if not, dietlibc again.
1149002426 M * daniel_hozac do you have any special settings?
1149002437 M * daniel_hozac or is it just your typical Gentoo setup?
1149002442 M * weeble Well, this was a hardened server before
1149002457 M * weeble I think I have the glibc hardened and pie flags set
1149002463 M * daniel_hozac before? meaning you've disabled that now?
1149002471 M * daniel_hozac IIRC dietlibc is broken on hardened.
1149002477 M * weeble Aaah
1149002481 M * weeble It compiled though?
1149002492 M * weeble It's not going to be a hardened box now
1149002495 M * daniel_hozac http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114796
1149002519 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
1149002534 M * daniel_hozac so it seems Hollow has fixed the problems.
1149002725 M * weeble OK, I'll redo dietlibc when glibc finished
1149002739 M * weeble And I must remember to take out the hardened flag
1149003291 M * Hollow pong.. yes.. i should start to stabilize the new dietlibc package
1149003446 M * Hollow weeble: the new dietlibc is now unmasked, and i will try to stabilize it asap
1149003812 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1149004007 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1149004230 M * weeble Hollow
1149004256 M * weeble Does that mean I can just emerge sync, and I should have the new ebuild?
1149004299 M * Hollow the ebuild was in the tree for a while already.. but it was masked
1149004305 M * weeble Aaah, OK
1149004371 Q * phycho Quit: 
1149004743 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1149004750 M * Bertl so, that looks better :)
1149005163 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.38.81
1149005177 M * Bertl welcome bonbons!
1149005485 M * weeble Hurrah! Switching gcc to hardenednopie, compiling dietlibc, and then util-vserver works.
1149005531 M * Bertl ah, so once again the hardened gcc strikes ...
1149005548 M * weeble Indeed :0
1149005549 M * weeble :)
1149005554 M * bonbons Hello Bertl!
1149005567 M * weeble But isn't it possible to make an ebuild splash up an error if a flag is set?
1149005571 M * Bertl bonbons: you have your first beta tester, I read ...
1149005592 M * Bertl weeble: probably Hollow and/or phreak`` know ...
1149005604 M * bonbons Daniel did some test, if there was an answer by mail, I've not read it yet
1149005636 M * Bertl nah, was talking of HongDan :)
1149005653 M * bonbons Bertl: did you look at my comment about conflict resolution? Did I think about all the required cases?
1149005670 M * Bertl didn't look at it yet, but will do shortly ...
1149005741 M * bonbons I just see that there is some more intresst for associating address ranges to guests!
1149005772 M * bonbons Today I won't get time to code, but will do so tomorrow
1149005808 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1149006088 M * Hollow weeble: you can merge dietlibc-0.30_pre* with pie enabled in gcc
1149006665 M * daniel_hozac is address ranges something we want to pursue? isn't dynamic allocation a more worthwhile goal?
1149006692 M * daniel_hozac i realize there are obvious speed benefits for the address ranges, but how often do you really want to assign an entire range to a single guest?
1149006782 M * Bertl I think we can have both without a problem
1149007000 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1149007417 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1149007421 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. will be back later ...
1149007428 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1149007453 M * weeble Isn't there a security issue with shared /usr/portage/distfiles ?
1149007476 M * weeble I suppose the md5 checking prevents any tampering though
1149007572 M * daniel_hozac i thought it was ro in guests?
1149007583 M * weeble distfiles is rw, but portage is ro
1149007598 M * weeble It's the working dir that's the thing I was thinking about
1149007613 M * weeble But that's unique to each host
1149007645 M * weeble So I am now wishing I'd kept quiet, and not embarrassed myself in public. Again. After the incident with the dog. And the ice cream. And the cricket ball.
1149007659 M * weeble Thank God they dropped all charges.
1149007969 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-153-181-61.dsl.telesp.net.br
1149008935 J * doener ~doener@i5387CE4C.versanet.de
1149009063 N * sars sarnold
1149009087 J * mattr_sf ~matt@p508852ED.dip.t-dialin.net
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1149010469 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975308.dip.t-dialin.net
1149010479 J * tpc ~trp@c-24-125-68-241.hsd1.va.comcast.net
1149010483 M * tpc hello
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1149012148 J * gerrit ~gerrit@mf42b36d0.tmodns.net
1149013243 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1149013252 M * mef hello
1149013270 M * mef what would be the best method of backing up a vserver based filesystem, so that I can move it to a new machine?
1149013290 M * mef that is, how do I ensure that all of the hardlinks and special iunlink etc bits are preserved?
1149013409 J * kir_home tis-0592f2@213.152.157.70
1149013596 M * Wonka cpio?
1149014325 N * nammie Nam
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1149015235 J * Milf ~Miranda@IP-213188108078.dialin.heagmedianet.de
1149015246 M * Milf Hello folks
1149015264 M * Milf I;ve got an interesting question that came up dealing with VServer Multiseat
1149015292 M * Milf The question is: what is the overhead of a VServer based Multiseat setup compared to a monolithic multiseat setup?
1149015318 M * Milf Both setups have to run multiple instances of X, but can the VServer based setup also shared the relevant libraries?
1149015423 M * cehteh Milf: using unification surely yes
1149015480 M * cehteh at linuxtag i also had the idea about running only one X server to save resources 
1149015517 M * cehteh you can easily share the X11 socket or use tcp for all seats
1149015583 M * sarnold i'm just a guy, ya know, but i would _much_ rather have different X servers to keep the users seperated. the OS will by default share all their libraries in memory -- the other memory used by the X server scales with how many pixmaps clients shove in the server, and those won't be shared among different users anyway..
1149015586 M * cehteh well i configured an xserver to drive independent displays, but i dont know if that also works with input devices
1149015622 M * cehteh yes prolly not an issue and multi xserver stups are far easier and more secure
1149015852 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1149015991 M * Milf So in theory, multiple X servers on multiple VServer guests will share the relevant libs, so compared to the monolithic setup, we have no extra overhead.
1149016040 M * Milf And yes, you _could_ have one X Server and only setup up XDM remote sessions on the guests, but that would be beside the point:
1149016076 M * Milf You could then still ruin everybodys ongoing work by gaining root privileges and killing processes
1149016083 M * cehteh yes
1149016092 M * Milf because their sessions will run on the same X Server.
1149016115 M * Milf So, it's back to zeng's setup und I'd like to know for sure about the overhead.
1149016147 M * cehteh ask zeng then :)
1149016159 M * Milf The c't editor I spoke to admitted that he didnt buy some of the things the authors of the article on the monolithic multiseat setup claimed, so we've got an advantage.
1149016189 M * Milf I did ask zeng, but he's more the technical get-it-done guy, he didn't know for sure.
1149016215 M * doener Milf: monolithic like "only one X server running" or "the same X server running more than once"?
1149016338 M * doener ehrm... ok, forget that question... brain fart (false conclusion from zeng running Ubuntu and Kubuntu in the vservers)
1149016397 M * cehteh i think if you safe 3 or more entire machines then you can throw in a biggier cpu and more ram anyways and still safe a lot of money
1149016416 M * cehteh and the resource usage is highly dependent of the applications you are running
1149016517 M * cehteh look at the newest firefox which caches recent pages literally as pixmaps in memory
1149016564 M * cehteh that requires a lot of memory but works still quite good ... but having 4 or more users to do the same might become a problem
1149016585 M * Milf monolithic in the sense of one Server running multiple X serves
1149016639 M * cehteh Milf: i am not even sure if a singele xserver can handle multiple pointers / inputdevices / focuses .. maybe but i never tried
1149016737 M * Milf No, in any case, you need multiple X Servers. The question here is what we gain by running them in VServers and if we get more overhead
1149016814 M * cehteh just isolation .. users have their own userland
1149016864 M * cehteh for trusted users you might even give them some more capabilities than the default .. loading kernell modules to handle things like usb devices, setting the clock whatever
1149016882 M * cehteh but noone can fuck up the others installation by accident
1149016925 M * cehteh and they can install their set if software imagine they need diffrent varsions or even difrent linux distributuons
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1149018745 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com
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1149021987 M * doener oops..
1149022342 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-6-95.dclient.hispeed.ch
1149023050 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1149023054 M * Bertl evening folks!
1149023196 J * DreamerC_ ~dreamerc@59-112-0-55.dynamic.hinet.net
1149023289 M * Bertl welcome DreamerC_!
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1149024892 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-208.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1149025773 M * Aiken anyone updating the patches for the 2.6.17-rcX-vs2.1.1-rc series?
1149025895 M * Bertl yes, I did a few adaptations to rc1 and 2 but those versions were pretty buggy (the mainline versions)
1149025916 M * Bertl i.e. some of them didn't even boot on QEMU, others crashed with xfs
1149025946 M * Bertl but I haven't checked the latest version
1149025966 M * Aiken I am downloading the 2.6.17-rc5 patch at the moment
1149025990 M * Bertl let me see if I can update the patches
1149025993 M * Aiken I am wondering if mainline has stuffed alpha support yet again
1149026026 M * Bertl in any case, testing with mainline first is a good idea :)
1149026107 M * Aiken I also want to see the 2.6.17 has finally done anything with a couple of long standing ide bugs
1149026314 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1149026853 M * derjohn Aiken, what ide bugs? maybe the via 8251 sata chip support is in now (over one year too late) ?
1149026931 M * Aiken the same compact flash problems that had been occuring since 2000 and the cd read ahead bug
1149027009 M * derjohn Aiken, bur reading the chatlogs it sounds like better having hands of 2.6.17-xy at the time, nor?
1149027018 M * derjohn *off
1149027285 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1149027324 M * Aiken I also want to see if support for my alpha is broken again, it seems nearly every release support my alpha is broken
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1149028847 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1149028977 M * Bertl wb shedi!
1149028998 M * shedi thank you kind sir
1149029252 M * Skram drwxr-xr-x
1149029255 M * Skram what chmod numeric value does that go to?
1149029280 M * Bertl well, let's see, there are groups of r,w, and x
1149029291 M * bon 755
1149029292 M * Bertl each group represents three bits
1149029299 M * bon ah bertl explains :)
1149029302 M * bon hi btw
1149029309 M * Skram bon: thanks so much!
1149029310 M * Bertl octal numbers are built of three bits too
1149029321 M * bon Skram: now wait for full explanation
1149029325 M * bon and 755 is not complete
1149029328 M * Bertl x=1, w=2, r=4
1149029329 M * Skram -rwxr-xr-x ?
1149029332 M * Skram o ok im listening
1149029350 M * Bertl so r-x is 5
1149029359 M * Bertl rwx is 7 (so far so good)
1149029378 M * Bertl and finally, octal numbers have a leading 0
1149029387 M * Bertl so the number here is 0755 :)
1149029404 M * Skram o ok
1149029416 M * Bertl the 'special' sticky and suid flags are one digit higher
1149029419 M * Skram im in a small rush-- what is -rwxr-xr-x ?
1149029423 M * Skram yeapps
1149029444 M * Bertl Skram: we just had that one?
1149029459 M * Skram woops
1149029468 M * sarnold Skram: the 'd' means directory, the '-' means regular file
1149029537 M * Skram ok
1149029540 M * Skram well im using qmail
1149029549 M * Skram and someone deleted /var/qmail/queue
1149031927 Q * Radiance Remote host closed the connection
1149031959 M * Bertl Aiken: test compiling 2.6.17-rc5-vs2.1.1-rc21.3 right now
1149032102 J * Radiance e24b4f8ebd@halt.1984world.eu
1149032143 M * Aiken I just had 2.6.17-rc5 boot in qemu
1149032194 M * Bertl wb Radiance!
1149032202 M * Radiance thanks mate :)
1149032206 M * Radiance how are things here ? 
1149032211 M * Bertl hmm, funny thing capable() seems to be back in 2.6.17-rc*
1149032295 M * Bertl at it got moved around again