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1147999865 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@Atlantica.Tcldrop.US
1148000171 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-244-34.dsl.telepac.pt
1148000199 M * Skram how can i give one vps access to part of another?
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1148001068 J * jm jm@d213-103-201-82.cust.tele2.fr
1148002241 J * Methos ~mjoconr@hacker.pineview.net
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1148004073 J * s0undt3ch ~s0undt3ch@bl7-244-34.dsl.telepac.pt
1148004215 J * Methos ~mjoconr@hacker.pineview.net
1148004668 J * jm jm@d213-103-214-184.cust.tele2.fr
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1148007535 J * VAndreas ~Hossa@212.110.98.7
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1148008272 J * jm jm@d213-103-228-18.cust.tele2.fr
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1148011865 J * jm jm@d213-103-242-8.cust.tele2.fr
1148011930 Q * jm Quit: 
1148012123 J * Methos ~mjoconr@hacker.pineview.net
1148012179 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1148012190 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1148014803 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148014941 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A07D2D.dip.t-dialin.net
1148014952 M * _coocoon_ morning
1148014994 M * daniel_hozac morning.
1148015011 M * tokkee Morning...
1148015019 M * tokkee *yawn*
1148015102 M * jkl good evening y'all :)
1148015252 M * jkl hmmm
1148015302 M * tokkee Evening sounds great ;-)
1148015319 A * tokkee did not get enough sleep the last couple of weeks :-/
1148015638 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1148015679 M * jkl i'm not going to get any sleep tonight
1148017905 M * eyck yeah, sleep is overrated, let's not sleep.
1148019030 M * tokkee I'd really like to do that ;-)
1148022748 J * enet ~jpduyx@adsl-228-22.dsl.uva.nl
1148023129 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204
1148023216 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-171-69.kielnet.net
1148024229 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-174-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1148024436 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-016.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1148024784 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1148026740 J * Methos ~mjoconr@hacker.pineview.net
1148027170 Q * kilian Remote host closed the connection
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1148030842 P * enet 
1148030866 J * enet ~jpduyx@adsl-228-22.dsl.uva.nl
1148031489 P * enet 
1148033228 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1148033660 Q * lonewolff jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033660 Q * yjmwrk jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033660 Q * WorkRoey jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033660 Q * derjohn jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033660 Q * jkl jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033660 Q * bon jupiter.oftc.net neutron.oftc.net
1148033731 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info
1148033731 J * WorkRoey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1148033731 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1148033731 J * jkl eric@c-71-56-216-223.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1148033731 J * bon bon@shadow.radiolan.sk
1148035049 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148035050 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1148035356 J * Kmirno ~mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com
1148035362 M * Kmirno Hello
1148035366 M * daniel_hozac hi
1148035393 M * Kmirno I have a probleme with some error
1148035404 M * Kmirno somethign about kernel not provideing LEGACYNET but It does
1148035411 M * Kmirno http://rafb.net/paste/results/ldbZFE35.html
1148035440 M * Kmirno trhis is result of testme.sh and the .config of the kernel
1148035457 M * Kmirno did I miss something or is there any well know bug I missed ?
1148035493 M * daniel_hozac CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY_VERSION=y
1148035501 M * daniel_hozac and you built your utils without the legacy APIs.
1148035507 M * Kmirno ah ?
1148035524 M * daniel_hozac so either you disable the legacy version, or you enable the legacy APIs in util-vserver.
1148035535 M * daniel_hozac (with --enable-apis=NOLEGACY to ./configure)
1148035536 M * Kmirno what are "legacy apis" ? (sorry my english isn't that good :/)
1148035554 M * Kmirno I mean will i miss them if i don't use them ?
1148035623 M * daniel_hozac well, if you don't use them, you get the problems you have now. (if you tell the kernel to advertise itself as a legacy one)
1148035687 M * Kmirno I mean if i desable legacy in kernel, what impact will it have ? 
1148035693 M * Kmirno I don't understand the word LEGACY
1148035699 M * daniel_hozac your currently built utils will work :)
1148035718 M * Kmirno Ok but it will not affect the features ?
1148035751 M * daniel_hozac "Something handed down from an ancestor or a predecessor or from the past"
1148035757 M * Kmirno oooh
1148035760 M * daniel_hozac http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=legacy
1148035767 M * Kmirno uhu
1148035778 M * Kmirno this is so much clear in the context huhu
1148035792 M * Kmirno hertage or somehting ?
1148035805 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1148035811 M * Kmirno i can't get the meaning with vserver
1148035814 M * Kmirno huhu
1148035820 M * Kmirno what dfoes it inheritate ?
1148035823 M * Kmirno huhu
1148035837 M * daniel_hozac the old APIs.
1148035843 M * Kmirno aaaaah
1148035847 M * Kmirno :=)
1148035895 M * Kmirno ok so, if i get it right, if i CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY_VERSION=n then I desable old vserver-util support, right ? :p
1148035920 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1148035964 M * Kmirno \o/
1148035976 M * Kmirno Thank you very much for your patience daniel_hozac 
1148036061 M * daniel_hozac np
1148036483 J * doener ~doener@i5387C5C9.versanet.de
1148036868 M * doener morning :)
1148036874 M * dna hu
1148036876 M * daniel_hozac morning
1148036909 M * Hollow morning
1148037359 Q * Kmirno Remote host closed the connection
1148038358 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/util-vserver-0.30.210-vshelper.patch still on the q'n'd stage, but it seems to work (i'm not sure how though...).
1148038507 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1148038517 M * Hollow heh
1148038542 M * Hollow vcd now has a neat sqlite backend :)
1148038549 M * Hollow sdbm was just too limited
1148038593 M * Hollow and one can easily extend it to support mysql and such
1148038603 M * daniel_hozac cool
1148038646 M * Hollow going to try the start method now ;)
1148038652 Q * wenchien Quit: 
1148038679 M * harry 1337 time!!!!!!!!
1148038758 J * jesse_ ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1148038786 N * jesse_ wenchien
1148038923 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio450.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1148038937 M * Milf Good $TIMEOFDAY everyone
1148038967 M * Milf Do I still need gcc-c++ to build the tools? (or did I just state that I'm a dinosaur?)
1148039085 M * daniel_hozac for some tools at least.
1148039086 M * doener g++? ;) IIRC configure still wants it, but I didn't see any C++ code in the recent tools... daniel_hozac?
1148039252 M * Milf Ok, the vote's divided. You can place bets now and I'll solve it later on :)
1148039274 M * daniel_hozac actually, doener's right, there are no C++ tools.
1148039295 M * doener *lol* I was just going to answer that I trust you on this ;)
1148039363 M * daniel_hozac hehe, i was just trusting configure.
1148039395 M * doener and here we see the problems of trusted computing :)
1148039437 M * daniel_hozac lol
1148039511 M * Milf Any hints on how to get a setup for building a 2.6 Vanilla Kernel? Especially regarding on how to work my way through one gazillion config options.
1148039590 M * daniel_hozac if build time is not important, just take a distro kernel's .config and do make oldconfig.
1148039718 M * Milf I'll sure try that.
1148039737 M * Milf It'll be a hard one as I use SuSE and they like to configure EVERYTHING as module :(
1148039753 M * doener http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ -- that's nice to figure out which drivers you need
1148039907 M * Milf That looks nice, I'll try that. Thanx
1148040160 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1148040163 M * doener hey Bertl 
1148040166 M * Bertl morning folks!
1148040196 M * Bertl well, seems as if I'm back ... but I'm not sure for how long :/
1148040249 M * Bertl line was dead for a day now, they planned to look into it on moday!, but suddenly it seems to work again
1148040400 M * doener already wondered where you've been, only a single nick change in the last few days ;)
1148040508 M * Milf That's good news. Usually such failures occur Saturday morning.
1148040530 M * Milf And after ocmplaining, you get a call Monday at 5 a.m. saying that it's fixed now :)
1148040574 M * Bertl Milf: yes, in austria this is different, you call on thursday, and they tell you you have to wait till tuesday :)
1148040614 M * Milf Wow, you Austrians always do better :)
1148040755 M * anonc morning bertl - with cow on 2.1.1-rc20 should 2 files hardlinked together and 'setattr --iunlink-but-not-immutable' result in those files being marked immutable or not?
1148040818 J * kilgur user@p50812A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1148041184 M * brc bertl! :)
1148041246 M * Bertl anonc: no they will not be marked immutable
1148041254 M * Bertl (as you do --iunlink-but-not-immutable)
1148041264 M * Bertl which is _not_ unification, btw :)
1148041274 M * Bertl welcome kilgur!
1148041277 M * Bertl hey brc!
1148041474 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148041679 M * kilgur hi Bertl
1148043244 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1148043343 M * Bertl wb nox!
1148043357 M * nox thx Bertl 
1148043385 M * nox used my server crash for new vserver kernel
1148043447 M * Milf Yes! Four minutes before the scheduled power outage, my kernel build is done :)
1148044160 Q * nox Remote host closed the connection
1148044350 Q * ||Cobra|| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148044368 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1148044945 M * Bertl has anybody here heard of PSOS (Project SOS, Project Support Open Source)?
1148045006 M * doener I think I saw that popping up in one of my rss feeds lately
1148045331 M * nox i get a "vlogin: openpty(): No such file or directory" but /dev/pts is in fstab (all other vserver work well)
1148045392 M * daniel_hozac do you have a /dev/ptmx?
1148045533 M * doener Bertl: sounds interesting... I wonder why the name Bob Mutch sounds familiar to me...
1148045535 M * nox daniel_hozac: sry yes i did oversee that 
1148045568 M * nox s/see/look
1148046005 Q * Methos Quit: Methos
1148046259 M * Bertl doener: maybe from gentoo?
1148046271 M * anonc Bertl: I assume it shouldn't be possible for a misconfiguration of hardlinks and iunlink flags to cause a kernel panic relating to cow links?
1148046341 M * Bertl anonc: not with recent (2.1.1-rc18+) kernels
1148046548 M * Bertl doener, daniel_hozac: regarding CoW: do we have any idea what happens when the last link break happens? I don't think that we handle that gracefully for the 'remaining' side ...
1148046564 Q * Milf Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148046731 M * anonc Bertl: hmm - setattr -R --iunlink /vservers/template/var, followed by 'vserver template start' results in a KP. 2.6.16-2.1.1rc20
1148046768 M * Bertl that is definitely a bug, can you provide the panic trace?
1148046788 M * Bertl (if so, please upload to paste.linux-vserver.org)
1148046791 M * anonc yup - what was that site to post code snippets? pastebin?
1148046864 M * daniel_hozac paste.linux-vserver.org
1148046987 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: last link break? writing to a file with link count == 1?
1148046988 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148047028 M * anonc http://paste.linux-vserver.org/51
1148047113 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: no, actually link=2
1148047166 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: one part is broken quite fine (the file you write to), but what about the other end?
1148047209 M * anonc hmm - got the name a bit wrong - minor change: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/52
1148047270 M * Bertl anonc: do you have the kernel source tree at hand?
1148047276 M * anonc yep
1148047291 M * Bertl great, let's see if you addr2line is recent enough ...
1148047299 M * Bertl please try the following:
1148047305 M * anonc GNU addr2line 2.16.1
1148047320 M * Bertl addr2line -e vmlinux 8016830b 
1148047328 M * Bertl (in the kernel source tree)
1148047328 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: what do you mean?
1148047348 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I'm not sure we remove the flags there, no?
1148047352 M * anonc should i reboot first to remove any panic-related badness?
1148047354 M * daniel_hozac we don't, no.
1148047384 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: so that will leave one guet (if two guests are 'unified' with eachother) with a non breakable link then
1148047388 M * Bertl *guest
1148047401 M * anonc # addr2line -e vmlinux 8016830b
1148047401 M * anonc ??:0
1148047407 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: well, a file which is immutable+iunlink
1148047420 M * Bertl anonc: ah, not recent enough/not fixed, sec
1148047437 M * Bertl anonc: do you have a problem fixing addr2line?
1148047448 M * anonc no problem at all - this is a test machine
1148047460 M * Bertl excellent, let me dig out the patch
1148047466 M * anonc which package does it normally come with?
1148047593 M * anonc duh - binutils
1148047631 M * anonc currently running binutils-2.16.1
1148047748 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1148047811 M * Bertl welcome michal`! LTNS!
1148047841 M * Bertl anonc: sec, will have a patch shortly
1148047869 M * anonc do i need to binutils source tree?
1148047893 M * Bertl yep
1148047939 M * anonc Bertl: will it need a complete build of just a patched version of addr2line? (have to leave in 20mins)
1148048113 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: right, any reason we don't just remove the attributes if link count == 1?
1148048141 M * daniel_hozac (in cow_break_link)
1148048175 M * Bertl no, IMHO that would be the RightThing(tm) to do :)
1148048206 M * Bertl anonc: hmm, yes, but should be quite fast ... anyways we can continue at a later time, if that is better for you?
1148048256 M * anonc i'm afraid we'll need to - but if you can get that patch for me i'll build it over the weekend and I'll chase you up on irc 
1148048291 M * Bertl okay, it should be in this src rpm, just in case: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/Cross/SRPMS/binutils-cross-2.16.91.0.5-2mdk.src.rpm
1148048307 M * Bertl (but I'm not 100% positive it has it :)
1148048316 M * anonc its a patch file addressing aadr2line specifically?
1148048336 M * Bertl it's related to the elf header handling
1148048352 M * Bertl kernel changed, the tools were not updated
1148048409 M * Bertl http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2096
1148048421 M * Bertl ah, you can pick the patch from there
1148048477 M * anonc cool - i'll just mod my ebuild to include those and redo binutils
1148048495 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148048509 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1148048514 M * Bertl yep, please also notify your direct upstream .. i.e. the gentoo maintainer
1148048533 M * Bertl wb mcp!
1148048591 M * Bertl anonc: do you have gdb installed?
1148048599 M * anonc yep
1148048613 M * Bertl ah, good, then let's figure just that addres with gdb
1148048623 M * Bertl gdb vmlinux
1148048634 Q * kilgur Read error: Connection reset by peer
1148048653 M * Bertl (gdb) l *0x8016830b
1148048667 M * Bertl only the first output line is relevant
1148048684 M * Bertl (something like: 0x8016830b is in ....
1148048701 M * anonc No symbol table is loaded.  Use the "file" command.
1148048734 M * Bertl hmm, vmlinux should not be stripped by default
1148048756 M * anonc *sigh* I just ran out of time. I'll rebuild binutils with those patches and catchup with you later. thanks for your assistance. nite all.
1148048764 M * Bertl okay, np, cya!
1148048774 M * anonc file vmlinux 
1148048774 M * anonc vmlinux: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
1148048775 M * anonc hmm
1148048977 M * Bertl don't worry, probably the trace already provides all the info
1148049913 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54974DE2.dip.t-dialin.net
1148050585 J * enet ~jpduyx@adsl-228-22.dsl.uva.nl
1148050718 M * Bertl welcome enet!
1148051522 M * enet he bertl
1148051543 M * enet i am not all the time behind my desk at the moment ...
1148051598 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/delta-cow-fix01.diff seems to work.
1148051674 M * Bertl excellent! tx!
1148051695 M * Bertl enet: np, you are welcome anyway :)
1148051881 M * enet tnx Bertl
1148052489 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, are you sure debugging information is put in the kernel by default? isn't that what CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO is for?
1148052540 M * Bertl well, yes, but shouldn't it be there, when the trace shows the names?
1148052545 A * daniel_hozac just had the same problems as anonc with resolving symbols.
1148052551 M * Bertl not 100% sure about that, though
1148052597 M * daniel_hozac hmm, well, my trace shows names as well, and i didn't have CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO.
1148052634 M * mef anyone here have experience with using supermicro based server motherboards with IPMI 2.0 for remote management?
1148052670 M * mef i.e., do they work sufficiently well for you?
1148053573 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-153-153-20.dsl.telesp.net.br
1148053628 M * Bertl wb mkhl!
1148054871 J * yarihm ~yarihm@213.144.149.87
1148054895 M * derjohn Bertl: did someone fix the 'screen inside a guest' problem? seems to work now.
1148054898 M * Bertl wb yarihm!
1148054927 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: vlogin is your friend.
1148054929 M * Bertl derjohn: yes, the vlogin stuff 'fixed' that (if you mean the "use enter and then start screen issue")
1148054964 M * Bertl sidenote: screen itself worked perfectly fine without
1148054967 M * derjohn Bertl, ahhh ... it was only if you enter guest from host. k. 
1148054978 M * derjohn Bertl, -dmS :)
1148054983 J * stefani ~stefani@tsipoor.banerian.org
1148054994 M * Bertl welcome stefani! LTNS!
1148055000 M * stefani welcome
1148055020 M * derjohn Bertl, BTW: project after-sports started. the machines have ip again. now i gonna build a kernel.
1148055026 M * stefani yeah, well  there are netowrk issues that i've just now figured out how to overcome. 
1148055037 Q * mkhl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148055089 M * derjohn stefani, new host? you been some .edu before?
1148055129 M * stefani yes, but the location now is different office, and i beleive their firewall denies irc, so i'm routing thru a vpn 
1148055142 M * derjohn stefani, IRC is evil, you know! ;)
1148055144 M * Bertl yeah, I saw the new url
1148055186 M * stefani so Bertl   i've been using a vserver to build  cyclotron and accelerator binaries in clean build environment
1148055240 M * Bertl the funniest statement I've got from firewall folks was: "ssh is blocked, of course, that is something only those evil hackers use, you should better use telnet, that's open by default"
1148055259 M * daniel_hozac lol
1148055262 M * Bertl stefani: great, what do those binaries do?
1148055273 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1148055288 A * Bertl knows about cyclotron and linear accelerators ...
1148055311 M * stefani Bertl:   part of the control system,  moving towards connecting and controlling via ip/tcp/udp 
1148055343 M * Bertl interesting, isn't that much too slow?
1148055352 M * stefani i wold have thought so. 
1148055411 M * Bertl but cool stuff, you should definitely mention that on the Users page somewhere (if not already done so)
1148055433 M * stefani Bertl:   i'm way so far behind.  
1148055466 M * Bertl ah, well, if you give me some details, I can put that there for you too ...
1148055579 M * Bertl I have to clean-up and rearrange the Users page anyways, it should look at least as nice as the Hosting page
1148055602 M * yarihm hi everyone
1148055906 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54977EE2.dip.t-dialin.net
1148056006 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-242-189.pools.arcor-ip.net
1148056100 M * derjohn latebreaking news: particle accelerator explosion due to slow linux software?
1148056110 M * derjohn for the chatlogs: thats a joke ;)
1148056413 M * stefani derjohn:   the cyclotron control system is slowly being upgraded from a PDP 11 with many attached devices to a network-control system 
1148056430 M * stefani that's not a joke  ;)
1148056434 M * derjohn for the chatlogs: thats a joke ;
1148056442 M * derjohn uh, too slow :)
1148056480 M * Bertl well, the PDP 11 is not that unusual for this purpose
1148056516 M * Bertl I've been writing assembler software to control a camera/digitizer on a pdp 11 some time ago :)
1148056521 M * derjohn Bertl, we do not support that arch. (which arch is it?)
1148056522 M * stefani in its time, the pdp 11 was great. 
1148056640 Q * _coocoon_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1148056696 M * Bertl well, pdp 11 is a little tricky, although some variant of linux might even run there
1148056854 M * stefani it's where i learned unix and  c 
1148056875 M * stefani if you consider unix a variant of linux, then yeah.
1148056937 M * Bertl for those who want to try: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp11emu.html
1148056982 M * derjohn hehe: no :)
1148057018 M * doener Bertl: hm, didn't you once give me an url to some documentation of the linux routing stuff (fibs, rtables etc.)?
1148057039 M * Bertl lart?
1148057046 M * stefani oooh  a TECO pocket guide !
1148057057 M * derjohn doener, looking for kernel related stuff?
1148057075 M * derjohn if not: linux advanced routinh guide
1148057182 M * doener of course the kernel part ;)
1148057289 M * Bertl http://linux-ip.net/html/index.html (this maybe?)
1148057298 M * doener Bertl: this "lart" or the less friendly abbreviation "lart"? http://redvip.homelinux.net/varios/lart/html/
1148057344 M * Bertl http://lartc.org/
1148057357 M * Bertl so a typo actually :)
1148057428 M * doener it's the same ;) and both look quite iproute oriented... I'm interested in how the kernel handles routing, what rtable/fib_{info,alias} etc. actually are, how they are used etc.
1148057536 M * doener google wasn't of much help and I thought you had shown me some page, back when we worked on ngnet
1148057552 M * Bertl could be, I don't have my bookmarks available riht now
1148057558 M * Bertl *right
1148057591 M * doener ok
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1148075008 M * pbryan Would it be safe to compare linux-vserver project to Solaris 10 zones?
1148075060 A * pbryan reads Wiki -- I suppose it would be.
1148075204 M * doener yep, they are similar
1148075739 M * pbryan Any chance vserver kernel mods will make it into Linus' kernel tree?
1148075948 M * pbryan Also, does COW break link when file opened for write, or only when written to?
1148076198 M * doener there are discussions on lkml currently about inclusion. about cow links, I'm not sure, let me look that up...
1148076659 M * pbryan Are the LKML discussions positive?
1148076660 M * doener pbryan: the link is broken on open(), in open_namei() to be exact
1148076666 M * pbryan Okay.
1148076694 M * pbryan Is there a way to "reconcile" identical files to use hardlink again if files turn out to be the same?
1148076697 M * doener well, at least Andrew sounds more positive than he did at LinuxTag two week ago
1148076730 M * doener util-vserver comes with a tool called vhashify that searches for identical files and hardlinks them
1148076743 M * pbryan Ah, excellent.
1148076749 M * pbryan You guys have thought of everything.
1148076754 A * pbryan dives into LKML.
1148076765 P * enet 
1148076772 M * derjohn doener, funny, he, he calls the others openvs ;)
1148076783 M * doener http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/18/149
1148076825 M * doener that's the current thread on the topic
1148076849 M * pbryan Thanks.
1148076855 M * doener derjohn: yeah, I've seen that quite often lately
1148076866 M * derjohn one reason more to get in contact with ubuntu: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Sun_flirts_with_Ubuntu/0,2000061733,39256815,00.htm
1148076882 M * derjohn vserver could ne the "zones" of ubuntu ;)
1148076932 M * pbryan Nice that Debian packages vserver kernels already.
1148076956 M * derjohn pbryan, what out only to the sid. not etch, not sarge. old stuff.
1148076964 M * derjohn (or backport ...)
1148076967 M * pbryan I see.
1148076975 M * pbryan I've been using sid forever, so I just assumed...
1148076980 M * doener pbryan: just be sure to use the new ones that are in sid (maybe even etch now?), the stuff in sarge and the old stuff in etch is totally outdated/broken
1148076989 M * doener ah, i c ;)
1148076991 M * pbryan :)
1148077008 M * pbryan Presumably if I want to mix-and-match kernels, then something like Xen is in order.
1148077036 M * doener yep, but you can still use Linux-VServer in a domU then
1148077078 M * pbryan Another question for a linux-vserver-soon-to-be-newbie: if I want to keep a file from being written to in a vserver instance (even to its root), would this be straightforward (example: /lib/modules/*).
1148077083 M * derjohn pbryan, there are xen/vserver hybrid kernels in experimental.
1148077090 M * pbryan derjohn: yeah, saw that.
1148077096 M * pbryan Kinda scares me, heh.
1148077109 M * pbryan In fact, they're now in sid.
1148077114 M * derjohn pbryan, yes, me too. the arcane magic get public. 
1148077129 M * derjohn pbryan, oh, I misses that fact. thanks waldi !
1148077157 M * doener pbryan: root in a vserver may not remove the immutable flag from files, so if you set that, the vserver's root can't do anything about it
1148077180 M * pbryan But, if I set immutable, even host can't write, right?
1148077202 M * doener well, that's also true *turns brain on*
1148077204 M * pbryan So, while upgrading /lib/modules/* for example, I might have to remove i flag, update, the set it?
1148077209 M * harry 166 cd'
1148077211 M * pbryan s/the/then/
1148077216 M * harry 's to archive...
1148077243 M * derjohn harry, to one md3 player?
1148077268 M * doener pbryan: the vservers usually have their own files in /vservers/foo/, so you don't share that directory with them anyway
1148077303 M * doener and in the case that you want to share such stuff with them, there are the bind mount extensions (bme)
1148077323 M * pbryan Well, was a dumb example I guess. I meant any library directory bound to be shared, to which I wanted to restrict the vserver's ability to even change.
1148077344 M * derjohn pbryan, /var/lib/vserver in case of debian. some think thats not a intuitive place, but ...
1148077354 M * derjohn */var/lib/vservers
1148077355 M * doener with vanilla kernels, a bind mount shares its flags with the original mount, with bme, you can change them, eg. the original mount is rw, but the bind mount is ro
1148077375 M * pbryan Yeah, /var/lib/vserver, the Debian one and only true way...
1148077385 M * pbryan Right. Okay.
1148077487 M * pbryan Nice. Just read up on BME. Perfect.
1148077512 M * pbryan Looks like BME is a standard part of Linux now?
1148077552 M * harry derjohn: sorting of my cd list
1148077560 M * doener no, it was pulled out again. because there are some issues. as flags are not shared anymore, you need to explicitly set them for each bind mount
1148077578 M * harry 1 dir: full_cd, then <groupname>/<cdname>/bleh.mp3/ogg
1148077589 M * harry bitchy work
1148077637 M * doener ie. if the original mount has flags A, B and C and you create a bind mount with only A, then B and C won't be set. (At least that's how I understood it)
1148077649 M * derjohn harry, sorting with cbbd and genre somehow? 
1148077649 M * pbryan That makes sense.
1148077666 A * derjohn has the same thing to do to be prepraed for summer :)
1148077688 M * harry derjohn: will need that too, yes :s
1148077695 M * harry consistent naming etc...
1148077702 M * pbryan So, one day, in the future, vserver could become a userland-only package? Is this just dreaming or a real possibility?
1148077706 M * harry changing the id3 tags so that they are good
1148077727 A * pbryan wonders how many kernel patches are really necessary to get linux-vserver to work.
1148077732 M * harry pbryan: i think kernel mods will allways be necessary
1148077755 M * derjohn pbryan, think differntly: We assimilate the whole mainline kernel.
1148077760 M * pbryan lol
1148077781 M * derjohn pbryan, call it a salami-slice tactic.
1148077786 M * pbryan Riiight.
1148077792 A * harry only uses vanilla kernels + grsec + vserver kernels on my servers
1148077807 M * harry even those that aren't running vserver
1148077837 M * doener pbryan: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/1/232 -- that's the latest thread on bme (problems)
1148077869 A * doener .oO( wow, being subscribed to lkml really helps finding these urls )
1148077900 M * pbryan Sure seems easier than scouring the archives.
1148078025 M * derjohn harry id known as the salami+mortadella master
1148078082 M * derjohn pbryan, bme? www.bmezine.com
1148078093 M * pbryan Yikes.
1148078107 M * derjohn what is bme?
1148078109 M * pbryan Body mutilation.
1148078110 M * pbryan Nice.
1148078144 M * pbryan http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg11999.html
1148078152 M * pbryan derjohn: Check out that link.
1148078193 M * derjohn ah, bindmount .. ok ;)
1148078207 A * derjohn begings to hate those tla ....
1148078217 M * derjohn *begins
1148078246 M * pbryan Hmm. Ironic you'd use a TLA?
1148078277 M * doener derjohn: would you prefer the i18n/l10n style? ;)
1148078399 M * derjohn doener, no, v12n style ;)
1148078414 M * derjohn </kidding>
1148078415 M * pbryan lol
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1148080514 M * Skram process `dig' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT
1148080521 M * Skram is that VServer related?
1148080599 M * doener no, we usually do not declare anything from mainline as being obsolete ;)
1148080705 M * doener Skram: see socket(7) for details
1148080729 M * Skram *shrug* ok
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