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1147501576 M * paul  /who paul
1147502211 M * paul !
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1147506925 M * _coocoon_ morning
1147507531 M * daniel_hozac morning.
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1147521684 Q * _coocoon_ oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1147521684 Q * micah oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1147521684 Q * shedi oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1147521684 Q * id23 oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1147521684 Q * paul oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
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1147521857 J * micah ~micah@208.99.202.72
1147521857 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1147521857 J * id23 ~id@p54A006C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1147521857 J * paul ~paul@203.int14.dsl.garlic.net
1147521857 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D56DF.dip.t-dialin.net
1147521857 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
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1147524613 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1147524617 M * Bertl morning folks!
1147524686 M * daniel_hozac morning!
1147524711 M * Bertl hey paul!
1147525167 J * bakchos666 ~renegade@dslb-088-073-054-041.pools.arcor-ip.net
1147525805 M * Bertl wb bakchos666!
1147526181 M * bakchos666 hi
1147526190 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo moin bertl
1147526213 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo where are morrigans pictures? :)
1147526214 M * bakchos666 i solve all my problems with vserver firewall and gameserver
1147526248 M * bakchos666 it was the firewall rules
1147526283 M * Bertl [PUPPETS]Gonzo: ah, sec I have them already uploaded, just have to move it to the right places ..
1147526286 Q * Viper0482 Quit: bin raus, 
1147526340 M * Bertl bakchos666: I suspected so, but good to hear that it was resolved!
1147526360 M * Bertl pusling: probably should do some thumbnails too ...
1147526379 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Bertl: don't hurry
1147526397 M * Bertl s/pusling/Gonzo/
1147526425 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I could setup a gallery if it helps? automatic thumbnails, comments, overviews, etc?
1147526475 M * Bertl if you like, go ahead ...
1147526503 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo ok, currently I play a game, after that I could do it. But I would need the pictures, somehow :)
1147526539 M * Bertl yep, np
1147526614 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549759BD.dip.t-dialin.net
1147526691 M * pusling hi Bertl ;)
1147526895 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204
1147527378 J * Dr4g ~Dr4g@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1147527407 M * Bertl welcome ||Cobra||! Dr4g! hey pusling! sorry :)
1147527436 M * Dr4g ;o)
1147527476 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1147527563 A * pusling consider sponsor Bertl a new tab-complete
1147527763 M * Bertl pusling: usually it works fine, but that evil Gonzo always causes me trouble :)
1147527791 M * Bertl i.e. it isn't smart enough to figure Go<TAB> :)
1147527833 M * Bertl but I'd be happy to receive an irssi add-on which does this :)
1147528343 M * derjohn Bertl, there an article about virtual vs. physical server in the current iX Mag
1147528434 M * derjohn Bertl, grrrrrrr .... time for a readers letter. "Alle Anbieter setzen auf Virtuo ...."
1147528483 M * derjohn Bertl, do you have some kind of fingerprint scanner to check from remote if it's a linux-vserver based vps?
1147528560 M * Bertl no, not really, but you still have the list of proiders on the wiki
1147528599 M * derjohn Bertl, netfabrik calls their product "vServer", iX claims all use Virtu* ...
1147528617 A * derjohn afk for reading the whole article
1147528641 M * Bertl well, you could always get a test guest there, I guess we can easily tell what is running there then :)
1147528697 A * derjohn thought of an nmap -O extension or such.
1147528768 M * Bertl well, we do not change the network stack, but VZ does indeed, so it might be possible to use that, though I doubt it
1147528954 M * Skram anyone around used jails?
1147528971 M * Skram just regular freesd-like jails? (on gentoo)
1147529010 M * Bertl well, there are no jails on linux :)
1147529030 M * Bertl but with the building blocks from Linux-Vserver you should get something like that 
1147529044 M * Skram well
1147529054 M * Skram arg
1147529068 M * Skram i need to make shells for a couple of people, and someone suggested i used jailed shells for security
1147529088 M * Bertl he probably is using bsd :)
1147529112 M * Bertl but as I said, you can do that (lightweight) with Linux-VServer
1147529185 M * Skram even hard disk drive limiting?
1147529189 M * Skram thats all i really need to do
1147529197 M * Skram im doing this inside a vserver
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1147529278 M * Skram ?
1147529366 M * Bertl yes, of course, you can start with a simple separate environment for ssh access (user or root) and configure it to be a complete guest with all kind of limits and features
1147529808 M * Skram ok
1147529924 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549759BD.dip.t-dialin.net
1147531241 M * Skram lol
1147531259 M * Skram i wish i could run a freebsd guest on a gentoo v-host.
1147531827 M * Bertl you have to use Xen for that :)
1147531840 M * Skram eek.
1147531842 M * Skram *eeks
1147531851 M * Skram our competitors are using Xen it seems
1147531855 M * Skram i like VServer.
1147531869 M * Skram not as automated and pretty though
1147532933 M * Bertl @all morrigan's photos can be found here, I amde a small version and thumbs too, but maybe Gonzo will put them into some photo album :)
1147532941 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/LT/morrigan_2006/
1147533151 M * Skram wee, i hope google adwords isnt a waste of money
1147533243 M * Skram /dev/sda1 / ext2 defaults 1 1
1147533243 M * Skram /dev/sda6 /home ext2 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 1 2
1147533243 M * Skram /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
1147533247 M * Skram will that work inside a vps
1147533254 M * Skram well of course change /dev/sd*
1147533263 M * Skram or no/
1147533275 M * Bertl if you have those partitions, yes
1147533286 M * Skram partitions inside /vserver/name
1147533297 M * Bertl yep
1147533310 M * Skram ok
1147533355 M * Skram /home/shells /home/shells ext2 defaults,usrquota,grpquota 1 2
1147533368 M * Skram i can put that in /etc/vservers/name/fstab, right?
1147533408 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-213-115.pools.arcor-ip.net
1147533409 M * Bertl you probably want to do a bind mount there
1147533419 M * Skram explain?
1147533425 M * Bertl otherwise /home/shells would have be a device, no?
1147533433 M * Bertl *to be
1147533435 M * Skram right
1147533446 M * Skram can i do a bind mount while still user the usrquota, etc. stuff/
1147533447 M * Skram *?
1147533469 M * Bertl well, those options are not really passed to the kernel, so it might work
1147533484 M * Bertl it is important to mount the real device with quota though
1147533486 M * Skram if they arent, then it wont work with the usrquota stuff?
1147533496 J * ^santana^ ~wet@124.81.236.55
1147533504 M * Bertl welcome ^santana^!
1147533510 M * ^santana^ yup
1147533511 M * ^santana^ thx
1147533642 Q * ^santana^ Quit: 
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1147534409 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226
1147534476 M * shuri hello
1147534497 M * Radiance g'afternoon all :)
1147534510 M * shuri good morning :)
1147534554 M * shuri hey Mr Bertl  are you there?
1147534654 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A0780C.dip.t-dialin.net
1147534669 M * _coocoon_ hello
1147534734 M * Bertl shuri: yep?
1147534759 M * shuri hello Bertl how are you
1147534797 M * Bertl fine thanks, and you?
1147534810 M * shuri fine 
1147534828 M * shuri you remember my box with 2.4.30 ?
1147534837 M * Bertl vaguely, yes :)
1147534846 M * shuri well  anyway yesterday i try to upgrade it to 2.6.14
1147534856 M * Bertl why 2.6.14?
1147534869 M * shuri because is the latest stable??
1147534890 M * Bertl ah, well, we have patches for the upcoming stable release 2.0.2 and 2.6.16.16
1147534931 M * shuri ok 
1147534947 M * Bertl but okay, let's continue ...
1147534948 M * shuri i have some strange problem
1147534980 M * shuri first no vserver name when i do vserver-stats
1147535003 M * Bertl yep, that's kind of expected
1147535015 M * Bertl legacy guests do not show a name there
1147535041 M * shuri ok good then this is legacy conf isssue
1147535079 M * shuri but the major problem was
1147535102 M * shuri permissions in the vserver guess
1147535123 M * shuri http mysql etc etc cannot start because of permission issue
1147535124 M * Bertl hmm?
1147535141 M * shuri back to 2.4.30 all is ok
1147535162 M * Bertl maybe you are still using dynamic contexts and the fielsystem is tagged now?
1147535173 M * Bertl (but unlikely)
1147535191 M * Bertl more likely you have a broken/bad barrier somewhere
1147535214 M * Bertl that was a quite common issue on debian, what distro do you use?
1147535233 M * shuri fedora core 2 :(
1147535249 M * shuri dont know why i install this shit...
1147535254 M * shuri lol
1147535267 M * Bertl do you have some kind of log of your 'test' start?
1147535278 M * Bertl i.e. so that we see 'what' fails?
1147535339 M * shuri for apache it was permission issue like /var/modwatch permission deny
1147535374 M * shuri permission problem with some directory..
1147535384 M * shuri after fixit it it work
1147535397 M * shuri but i got 20 vserver i cannot do this for all
1147535400 M * Bertl could be a barrier or an xid issue
1147535406 M * shuri ok
1147535414 M * Bertl do you use xid tagging on that filesystem?
1147535451 M * shuri how can i check that?
1147535485 M * Bertl do you mount the filesystem which contains the guests with tagxid or tagctx?
1147535510 M * daniel_hozac what's the uid/gid on /var/modwatch?
1147535515 M * shuri tagctx in 2.4.30 yes
1147535527 M * shuri but 2.6.14 do not allow this
1147535531 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ah, good point!
1147535534 M * shuri so i got to remove it 
1147535552 M * Bertl shuri: it allows it and you definitely want it then
1147535577 M * Bertl the option there is tagxid, and you should make sure that you use the same tagging as with 2.4.30
1147535591 M * Bertl then the problems will go away 
1147535621 M * Radiance what is this "tagging" btw ? a kind of quota or so ?
1147535627 M * shuri tagctx for 2.4 and tagxid for 2.6 ?
1147535649 M * Bertl well, IIRC the old option should be still valid if you have legacy enabled
1147535661 M * Bertl (but that is for 2.0.2-rc20)
1147535722 M * shuri ok
1147535747 M * shuri the other thing was with mysql
1147535753 M * shuri cannot find the localhost
1147535764 M * shuri this is because of legacy again?
1147535799 M * Bertl not sure, but I'd try the 2.0.2-rc20, probably that isn't an issue there
1147535875 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner now .. back in 30min or so ...
1147535880 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1147535890 M * shuri but can you confirm tagctx for 2.4 and tagxid for 2.6 ?
1147535901 M * shuri ok thx Bertl_oO 
1147536001 M * daniel_hozac tagctx should work for both, assuming you have legacy enabled. otherwise, yes.
1147536095 M * shuri bad mount option with tagctx in 2.6
1147536174 M * shuri thx for your help i will retest this
1147536620 M * daniel_hozac hmm, i can't find tagctx anywhere in 2.0.2-rc20, so it's likely you're correct.
1147536651 M * shuri ok
1147536654 M * daniel_hozac on the other hand, i can't find it in 1.2.10 either.
1147536671 M * matti Oops.
1147536676 M * shuri 2.4.30-vs1.2.10 
1147536680 M * shuri i use this
1147536685 M * shuri and it work :)
1147536741 M * daniel_hozac grep tagctx on that patch returns nothing though.
1147536791 M * shuri patch-2.4.27-vs1.29-q0.14.diff
1147536808 M * daniel_hozac ah, tagging is a separate patch? ok.
1147536817 M * shuri i guesss
1147536818 M * daniel_hozac i never used vserver on 2.4 :)
1147536843 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147536851 M * shuri i started to use vserver with Jacques release
1147536864 M * cehteh $ ssh root@starmaster.localnet uname -a
1147536865 M * cehteh Linux starmaster 2.4.19ctx-14
1147536870 M * cehteh mhm ... 
1147536887 M * eyck nice, ssh as root, cool
1147536892 M * eyck so l33t
1147536899 M * shuri haha
1147536931 M * shuri ctx-14 sound like solucorp patch :)
1147536932 M * cehteh i meant i should upgrade that machine someday
1147536950 M * cehteh that one is quite old and still runing
1147536971 M * shuri same for me very stable 
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1147537411 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54977503.dip.t-dialin.net
1147537477 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.107.125.44
1147537562 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1147537566 M * Bertl back now ..
1147537570 M * Skram :)
1147537719 M * Bertl shuri: tagxid is the only option on 2.6, the tagctx is 2.4 legacy only
1147537833 M * matti Bertl: :)
1147537836 M * matti Bertl: Have a minute?
1147537845 M * Bertl hey matti! sure!
1147537856 M * matti Great.
1147538420 J * mattr_sf ~matt@p50884A24.dip.t-dialin.net
1147538433 M * Bertl welcome mattr_sf!
1147538456 M * mattr_sf Hey Bertl
1147538481 M * mattr_sf nice show + booth in wiebaden at the linuxtag last weekend
1147538499 M * Bertl yeah, we had a lot of fun there ...
1147538529 M * matti Bertl: Just give me a minute, maybe I can solve my problem without bothering ya.
1147538532 M * matti ;]
1147538554 M * Bertl matti: np, but you are not 'bothering' me :)
1147538805 Q * shedi Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1147539571 M * eyck I'm the only bother around here
1147539639 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1147539640 M * Bertl eyck: btw, did you find some time to check the latest changes to make 2.6 'more' legacy compatible?
1147539653 M * shuri :)
1147539677 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.CJB.Net
1147539684 M * eyck nope, I missed the thread, where should I seek more info? channel logs? wiki?
1147539720 M * Bertl yes, basically we adjusted a few default settings in rc19/20 to match the original behaviour more closely for legacy guests
1147539744 M * Bertl this includes having defaults for hide_netif and the fake init
1147539790 M * eyck ok, I'm expecting some quality time to become available near tuesday, I'll check it all then. Thanks for caring for legacy.
1147539821 M * Bertl http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2006-04/LOG_2006-04-28.txt
1147539839 M * Bertl TIA, and you're welcome!
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1147543455 J * Dr4g ~Dr4g@82-40-45-226.cable.ubr06.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
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1147544395 M * paul mornin all
1147544398 Q * shuri Quit: Quitte
1147544481 M * Bertl morning paul!
1147544523 M * paul hey Bertl
1147544725 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
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1147546206 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.US
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1147546740 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-66-167-52-242.sttnwaho.covad.net
1147547531 Q * paul Quit: [BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Atari 2600 today!
1147548033 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Bertl: sorry for unasked query. Please look at it, when you have time, thanks :)
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1147549033 J * Bobi Bobi@vs815.rosehosting.com
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1147550042 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.107.125.44
1147550107 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1147550890 Q * _coocoon_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1147551929 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
1147552596 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi
1147552773 J * danderson ~dave@natulte.net
1147552813 J * neo ~neo@kessel.ordrejedis.net
1147552822 M * neo hello
1147552848 M * neo i went to the LV website and saw in the FAQ the problems concerning the /proc which cannot be mounted
1147552855 M * neo but i don't understand your answer
1147552916 M * neo if someone can help me ...
1147553095 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1147553480 M * Bertl hey neo!
1147553506 M * Bertl neo: your problem is very likely unrelated to any proc mounting
1147553528 M * Bertl neo: let's start with the symptoms: what issues do you encounter?
1147553545 M * neo ok
1147553557 M * neo i've just installed a new kernel 2.6.16 with the last vserv patch
1147553562 M * Bertl okay
1147553580 M * neo and i have a problem which is proc-security related i guess
1147553594 M * neo kheops01:~# vserver-stat 
1147553594 M * neo WARNING: can not access /proc/uptime. Usually, this is caused by procfs-security. Please read the FAQ for more details http://www.linux-vserver.org/index.php?page=Linux-Vserver+FAQ
1147553598 M * neo open("/proc/uptime"): No such file or directory
1147553599 M * neo (on the host)
1147553607 M * Bertl ah, okay
1147553617 M * Bertl did you installed the tools (util-vserver) too?
1147553621 M * Bertl *install
1147553638 M * neo yes
1147553639 M * neo via apt
1147553652 M * Bertl okay, good, so some premade package, I guess
1147553660 M * Bertl which version, if I may ask?
1147553687 M * neo oh
1147553688 M * neo wait
1147553692 M * neo i think i solved the problem
1147553708 M * Bertl reboot?
1147553711 M * neo ohhh
1147553714 M * neo problem fixed
1147553715 M * neo no
1147553723 M * Bertl you found the vprocunhide?
1147553724 M * neo  /etc/init.d/vprocunhide-files restart
1147553727 M * neo yes
1147553729 M * neo i just found it
1147553731 M * Bertl good :)
1147553745 M * neo i was looking into the /usr/share/doc/util-vserver
1147553749 M * neo but didn't find anything
1147553750 M * neo ok ..
1147553756 M * neo thanks a lot, anyway
1147553770 M * Bertl np, feel free to hang around
1147553853 A * [PUPPETS]Gonzo hangs around.
1147553887 M * danderson Bertl: thanks (it's vservers I admin that neo's reinstalling, following a hardware crash :)
1147553924 M * Bertl hey danderson! hardware crash?
1147553933 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Bertl: First gallery is ready, feel free to comment any bugs / unwanted features / optical issues
1147553945 M * danderson Bertl: yup, failing disk
1147554011 M * Bertl [PUPPETS]Gonzo: http://gallery.linux-vserver.org right? :)
1147554028 M * Bertl [PUPPETS]Gonzo: looks fine :)
1147554032 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo right. But some guy is emerging in his vhost, loadaverage is about 8 :->
1147554067 M * danderson Bertl: strange failure mode. The disk started dying, so the context 0 switched the mounts to readonly. So, everything inside the vservers was readonly, despite them believing it was r/w.
1147554166 M * Bertl danderson: ah, emergency remount
1147554181 M * danderson yup
1147554202 M * Skram :(
1147554203 M * danderson then the vserver's software slowly started dying, as more and more stuff tried, and failed to write to files
1147554224 M * danderson we just managed to rsync the filesystems off before the complete failure
1147554224 M * Bertl no hardware monitoring?
1147554237 M * danderson well... It's complicated.
1147554241 M * Skram eeks.
1147554280 M * danderson I don't know how the context0 is admined, I only have access to the vservers (though I wouldn't mind a ctx0 account, to help with the admin :)
1147554308 M * danderson Bertl: on the upside, it means we're moving from a 2.4.x vserver to a shiny 2.6.16 one :)
1147554335 M * Bertl ah, good, 2.6.16.16-vs2.0.2-rc20?
1147554343 M * danderson uuuh, possibly :-)
1147554350 M * danderson like I said, neo is one of the ctx0 admins
1147554363 M * danderson I just get to shout at him when one of my vservers starts dying
1147554365 M * Bertl k, so that one goes to neo then :)
1147554388 M * Skram ipmi stats can be viewed remotely. has anyone ever made an  interface? specifically for the web?
1147555220 J * The_Jack_of_Clubs ~Jack_Jack@katy-adsl-66-170-216-66.consolidated.net
1147555240 M * Bertl welcome The_Jack_of_Clubs!
1147555251 M * The_Jack_of_Clubs thanks :D
1147556117 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1147556459 M * jkl Bertl: do you have a link to a good doc about using vsched?
1147556584 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/vsched+explained
1147556646 M * Bertl please note that recent devel kernels have features which are not covered by vsched (yet) but the basic principles are the same
1147556672 M * jkl cool
1147556729 M * jkl wow you can schedule an app inside a server too eh
1147556928 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo is there a "top" application for vservers, like vps?
1147556993 M * Bertl vtop?
1147557093 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo so "vtop" is from vserver... well, it doesn't show vserver-context stuff 
1147557122 M * Bertl yes, that is because that information is not available from the 'normal' top
1147557135 J * mtw ~after@201-35-138-13.pltce7007.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br
1147557136 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1147557144 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo so what's the difference between top and vtop?
1147557160 M * Bertl it would require to 'rewrite' the top application to make it context aware, but feel free to do so (vtop simply shows all tasks)
1147557165 M * Bertl welcome mtw!
1147557192 M * mtw hello. I'm running vserver under CentOS 4.3, and, when I try to access the guest, i got killed after login.
1147557198 M * mtw Bertl :D
1147557201 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo well, vtop does not show them on my host, thats why I am asking :)
1147557220 M * Bertl mtw: maybe too low limits?
1147557233 M * mtw what limits ?
1147557241 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo nvm, I some kinda missed it, bertl, sorry
1147557266 M * Bertl mtw: no idea, was jsut a guess, by default you are _not_ killed when logging into a guest :)
1147557285 M * mtw :~
1147557298 M * mtw i'm trying to fix that for 3 days..
1147557300 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147557313 M * Bertl mtw: well, you should have come here earlier, I'd say :)
1147557335 M * Bertl first, let's give me some ideas what version and tools you are using?
1147557343 M * mtw the latest
1147557351 M * mtw 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1
1147557364 M * mtw Versions:
1147557364 M * mtw                    Kernel: 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1
1147557364 M * mtw                    VS-API: 0x00020001
1147557364 M * mtw              util-vserver: 0.30.210; May 13 2006, 14:54:49
1147557371 M * Bertl hmm, okay, so the last stable with recent tools
1147557378 M * mtw yeap
1147557390 M * Bertl and how do you enter the guest?
1147557398 M * mtw via SSH.
1147557413 M * Bertl okay, and what gets killed where and when?
1147557427 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo maybe you don't have shell access or your user is not allowed to login via ssh?
1147557429 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net
1147557437 M * Bertl welcome comfrey!
1147557453 M * mtw Bertl, I log in on the guest, and I see that notice "last login by.. " so, I got killed
1147557458 M * mtw you know
1147557471 M * mtw [PUPPETS]Gonzo root user without ssh access?
1147557474 Q * comfrey Quit: 
1147557479 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo bertl: I tried to upload the webcam pictures, but "too many open files". I'll try again in the next days
1147557504 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo mtw: your root user may not be allowed to login via ssh directly, check /etc/ssh/sshd*
1147557517 M * mtw hum..
1147557530 M * Bertl mtw: what does the syslog inside the guest show?
1147557582 M * mtw no errors.
1147557596 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo and the authlog?
1147557638 M * mtw hold on, 'll try do one thing.
1147557916 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D5F65.dip.t-dialin.net
1147557924 M * Bertl wb softi42!
1147558517 Q * The_Jack_of_Clubs Quit: restarting brb
1147558921 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net
1147559274 M * mtw Bertl
1147559283 M * mtw when i compile the guest, I try to start it..
1147559287 M * mtw but, i got this error:
1147559294 M * mtw [root@server ~]# vserver vps01 start
1147559294 M * mtw vcontext: vc_create_context(): File exists
1147559300 M * mtw there's no guests with the same context.
1147559318 M * Bertl what context id do you use?
1147559322 M * mtw 91
1147559348 M * Bertl check in /proc/virtual/ that this context is not there
1147559390 M * Bertl also, what does vserver-info - SYSINFO report as APIS?
1147559417 M * mtw VS-API: 0x00020001
1147559421 M * mtw is it what u say ?
1147559440 M * Bertl no, just uplaod the entire output here: paste.linux-vserver.org
1147559464 M * mtw ok.
1147559489 M * mtw Bertl, http://paste.linux-vserver.org/35
1147559493 M * Bertl tx
1147559543 M * Bertl hmm, did you install the tools as binary package?
1147559583 M * mtw i did follow the steps by this http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6
1147559601 M * mtw i'm using centos 4.3 
1147559631 M * Bertl so you compiled the tools yourself, yes?
1147559633 M * mtw Bertl, on /proc/virtual exists just one file, 'info'
1147559638 M * mtw Bertl, yes..
1147559664 M * Bertl okay, let me suggest to recompile them once again, just to test something
1147559688 M * Bertl is that possible? (with some slightly modified config options)
1147559717 M * mtw yes
1147559721 M * mtw of course.
1147559724 M * mtw What should I do ?
1147559735 M * Bertl first, go to the src directory and do a 
1147559738 M * Bertl make unisntall
1147559743 M * Bertl *uninstall
1147559759 M * mtw uninstalling ..
1147559762 M * mtw done.
1147559763 M * danderson random question - do we get netfilter in the latest vserver patch (as in, the ability to configure a per-vserver firewall from within the vserver) ?
1147559792 M * mtw Bertl what's next?
1147559793 M * Bertl danderson: nope, iptables is still host only
1147559799 M * danderson Bertl: :( okay, thanks.
1147559840 M * Bertl ./configure --prefix= --enable-apis=NOLEGACY --with-vrootdir=/vservers
1147559848 Q * comfrey Quit: Ex-Chat
1147559853 M * Bertl then make and make install
1147559853 M * mtw ok
1147559877 M * mtw running make ..
1147560010 M * mtw done Bertl
1147560024 M * Bertl okay, it mentioned some distro-install, right?
1147560024 M * mtw should I run make install-distribution ?
1147560031 M * Bertl yes, please do so
1147560038 M * mtw done
1147560043 M * mtw I did it before too..
1147560052 M * Bertl now let's try to start the guest once again
1147560096 M * mtw should I compile a new guest?
1147560107 M * Bertl no, it's not necessary to build a new one
1147560152 M * mtw oh, I erased the guest :~
1147560164 M * Bertl okay, np, then it _is_ necessary :)
1147560166 M * mtw hold on, i'll recompile again, with a diferent context.
1147560186 M * mtw hey
1147560187 M * mtw WARNING: you are going to use an rpm-based installation method without
1147560187 M * mtw   having an 'initpre' script. Such a script is highly recommend to
1147560187 M * mtw   workaround bugs in rpm which can cause messages like
1147560187 M * mtw   | error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/X11;42dd8791:
1147560187 M * mtw   Please read http://linux-vserver.org/HowToRegisterNewDistributions
1147560189 M * mtw   for information how to add support for your own distribution.
1147560189 M * mtw cp: cannot stat `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/s01/yum/etc/yum.conf': No such file or directory
1147560272 M * Bertl do you have good network connectivity?
1147560287 M * mtw 10Mbps
1147560296 M * mtw staminus datanceter.
1147560301 M * mtw datacenter.
1147560305 M * Bertl okay, then I'd suggest to try with a debian guest first
1147560316 M * Bertl sec
1147560320 M * mtw hum.. how ? my system is centos
1147560345 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1147560353 M * Bertl use something like this:
1147560385 M * Bertl vserver foo build -m debootstrap --hostname vs.foo.org --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.3.1/21 --context 42 -- -d sarge -m ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
1147560422 M * mtw I don't need to copy or update files on the server?
1147560447 M * Bertl nope, should install everything via network
1147560470 M * mtw ok
1147560472 M * mtw let me try :D
1147560975 M * mtw hey Bertl
1147560975 M * mtw [root@server ~]# vserver foo enter
1147560975 M * mtw mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted
1147560991 M * Bertl okay, that's quite fine
1147561013 M * Bertl it is caused by the fact that you 'request' a pty on the host
1147561019 M * Bertl and then bring it into the guest
1147561032 M * Bertl there are a bunch of patches which work around that
1147561042 M * Bertl (but they didn't make it into 0.30.210 yet)
1147561086 M * mtw hum
1147561113 M * mtw yeah, worked
1147561203 M * Bertl okay, now let's continue with the centos guest?
1147561221 M * mtw yes
1147561235 M * Bertl there is at least one centos howto on the wiki
1147561254 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1147561256 M * mtw yes, I was reading it, but didn't work..
1147561271 M * Bertl it might be outdated, but regarding the yum/rpm stuff it should be still valid
1147561328 M * mtw Bertl, so, I think I can work with debian guests fine
1147561335 M * Bertl okay :)
1147561343 M * mtw it is secure to run debian guests under centos?
1147561354 M * Bertl yes, all kind of distros are 'secure'
1147561364 M * mtw hmm cool.
1147561369 M * Bertl just debian is very easy to install via network
1147561375 M * mtw Bertl, and, can u help me to set disk limit?
1147561424 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Disk+Limits
1147561462 M * mtw yes yes, but i did not understand the tagxid
1147561465 M * mtw /dev/..
1147561485 M * mtw I want do it on /dev/hda2              41G  179M   39G   1% /home
1147561491 J * doener ~doener@p548771B9.dip.t-dialin.net
1147561509 M * doener hi #vserver! :)
1147561516 M * mtw hello doener
1147561526 M * Bertl hey doener!
1147561546 M * Bertl mtw: http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-04
1147561557 M * Bertl 04.5 to get an idea how it works
1147561563 M * mtw hmm
1147561586 M * Bertl basically you use tagxid as mountoption
1147561608 M * Bertl and the kernel keeps track of the usage (userspace tool is vdlimit)
1147561634 M * mtw but, I want mount it on /home
1147561652 M * mtw how do I create a new partition with some space free?
1147561659 M * mtw unused ..
1147561696 M * Bertl well, I don't know your setup, but basically you do everything as without linux-vserver
1147561723 M * Bertl the vdlimit works per guest and per partition
1147561737 M * Bertl so you can setup arbitrary limits on all used partitions
1147561745 M * mtw hum..
1147561754 M * mtw ok, I created /home/vservers with tagxid option.
1147561766 M * mtw how do I change the guests directories to /home/vservers ??
1147561780 M * Bertl the entire guest?
1147561792 M * Bertl i.e. new guest should be created there or what?
1147561826 M * mtw should be created there..
1147561852 M * Bertl well, you have some options here, first, you can
1147561870 M * Bertl do the ./configure once again with the --vroot-dir specified as that
1147561886 M * Bertl another option is to change the symlink in the config
1147561942 M * mtw humm..
1147561951 M * Bertl or you can just specify --rootdir on every guest build
1147562547 M * mtw Bertl, how do I add new ip addreses on a guest?
1147562943 M * Skram /etc/vservers/NAME/interfaces/current+1/ip
1147562957 M * mtw hm
1147562962 M * Skram brb\
1147563212 M * Bertl mtw: basically you stop the guest, add an entry (similar to the existing one) to the config
1147563223 M * Bertl then restart the guest
1147563233 M * mtw hmm ok
1147563234 M * mtw =)
1147563235 M * Bertl (you can have up to 16ips for now)
1147563253 M * mtw the filesystem with tagxid are'nt working =[
1147563264 M * Bertl how so?
1147563329 M * mtw Bertl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/36
1147563384 M * Bertl looks good to me
1147563399 M * mtw look.
1147563404 M * mtw 2 partitions with the same size
1147563414 M * mtw /dev/hda2              41G  179M   39G   1% /home 
1147563415 M * mtw /dev/hda2              41G  179M   39G   1% /vservers
1147563424 M * Bertl well, you mounted it twice
1147563448 M * Bertl i.e. what do you expect?
1147563449 M * mtw if I try umount /dev/hda2, it says busy
1147563453 M * mtw =(
1147563459 M * Bertl not that unusual either
1147563471 M * doener Bertl: hm, is it safe to turn off saddr remapping?
1147563481 M * mtw I want create a new partition, with the free space you know?
1147563489 M * Bertl doener: hmm?
1147563531 M * Bertl mtw: well, yes, but I guess you didn't understand how the vdlimit works
1147563559 M * doener just building -rc20 and now I wonder about the new option... I mean, I saw the patch, but I'm not sure about how that'll affect the local connections actually
1147563565 M * mtw Bertl :(
1147563568 M * mtw i did'nt
1147563592 M * Bertl did you read what the tagxid does? did you understand this part?
1147563637 M * mtw yes, yes.. but how do I set tagxid flag on an existing partition?
1147563650 M * mtw or create a neew partition with the unused space?
1147563655 M * Skram haha
1147563661 M * Bertl mtw: you do neither nor
1147563671 M * Skram hey, Bertl.. possible to add IPs w/o rebooting the guest?
1147563681 M * Bertl Skram: yes, basically it is
1147563712 M * Bertl mtw: you only mount a partition once, but with tagxid
1147563724 M * mtw yes, how? :P
1147563738 M * Bertl the way you did
1147563747 M * Bertl mount -o tagxid,rw /dev/hda2 /vservers
1147563760 M * Bertl but you should not have that partition already mounted
1147563766 M * Bertl (as it was in your case)
1147563792 M * Bertl so the best would be to add the tagxid to the fstab (on the host)
1147563805 M * mtw /etc/fstab ?
1147563837 M * Bertl once that is done, you can get a different view of how many inodes and blocks are used or available
1147563842 M * Bertl for each guest
1147563860 M * mtw Bertl /etc/fstab -> http://paste.linux-vserver.org/37
1147563860 M * Skram Bertl: 18:41 < Bertl> Skram: yes, basically it is ||| <--- How?
1147564010 M * Bertl Skram: for example with Hollow's tools and/or with the vcmd command
1147564042 M * Bertl Skram: but I would not do that lightly, depending on the existing config, it might mess up your guest
1147564109 M * Skram cvmd?
1147564112 M * Skram *vcmd?
1147564114 M * Skram Hmm
1147564126 M * Skram i dont think i am even using Hollow's tools
1147564130 M * Skram Hollow: talk to me, bro/
1147564250 Q * stefani Quit: going away now...
1147564315 M * Skram hercules / # slocate vcmd
1147564318 M * Skram hercules / # 
1147564319 M * Skram :)
1147564321 M * Skram * :(
1147564360 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/TOOLS/vcmd-0.03.tar.bz2
1147564377 M * Radiance is there a good quota howto document for vserver ? 
1147564385 M * Bertl Skram: but be careful, it is just a hack tool to control the kernel API
1147564398 M * Bertl Radiance: quota or disk limits?
1147564408 M * Skram oy vey
1147564413 M * Radiance quota, so to limit users/groups hehe
1147564421 M * Skram i never was able to find a good way for quotas.
1147564449 M * Radiance quota is enabled on the host already, but i need it within the vserver environment
1147564488 M * doener Bertl: ehrm s/disable/enable/ in my question...
1147564496 M * Bertl Radiance: http://linux-vserver.org/Standard+non-shared+quota
1147564509 M * Bertl doener: hmm? please elaborate!
1147564512 M * Radiance thanks mate
1147564552 M * doener the "remap source ip address" option... i asked if it is safe to turn that off, should be "is it safe to turn on" of course
1147564566 M * Bertl Radiance: you're welcome!
1147564568 M * Skram Want to enable quotas from within a vserver, nothing special, just plain old and good quota support? Then this might help you! :)
1147564572 M * Skram eh?
1147564580 M * Bertl doener: why shouldn't it be safe?
1147564591 M * Skram so that isnt for limitng /vservers/name its for limitng INSIDE a vps? like /vservers/name/home/USER?
1147564651 M * doener no idea, might kill my dogs ;)
1147564707 M * mtw Bertl, When I try to set up a disklimit with DiskLimit.sh
1147564708 M * mtw I got
1147564709 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/security/time.conf: Invalid argument
1147564709 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/security/limits.conf: Invalid argument
1147564709 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/security/pam_env.conf: Invalid argument
1147564709 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/security/access.conf: Invalid argument
1147564709 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/bash_completion.d: Invalid argument
1147564711 M * mtw /home/vservers/vds02/vds02/etc/bash_completion.d/pon: Invalid argument
1147564711 M * mtw ..
1147564716 M * Skram wow.. very confused
1147564751 M * Bertl mtw: probably because the tagxid option is not in effect yet
1147564763 M * mtw :\
1147564783 M * Bertl mtw: check with cat /proc/mounts
1147564784 M * Skram Bertl: gentoo doesnt have "/dev/vroot" how would we do the same thing?