1147393164 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1147393169 M * Bertl cya tomorrow!
1147393174 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1147393696 M * Radiance laters BertI :)
1147393725 M * Radiance anyone running a hosting environment on a vserver using DA, cpanel,plesk etc .. ? if so, experiences ?
1147397104 J * vreak ~irc@83-215-140-176.seek.dyn.salzburg-online.at
1147397943 M * Skram hi all
1147397950 M * Skram Radiance: oh god.
1147397955 M * Skram Stupid control panels.
1147397991 M * Radiance you tried them in a vserver btw ? prolly alot of adjusting stuff hehe
1147397997 M * Skram probably
1147398006 M * Skram i run mostly gentoo, so none of them work with that
1147398015 M * Skram I used to be very into the shared/reseller hosting industry
1147398020 M * Skram we do consulting and VPSes now.
1147398057 M * Radiance cool :)
1147398083 M * Skram Meh
1147398087 M * Skram much harder business
1147398177 M * Skram what is a good way, other than via kernel "quota" stuff, to limit shell user hard drive space? doesnt need to be extremely precise or "unbeatable"
1147398632 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1147399060 Q * vreak Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )
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1147399907 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org
1147405936 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1147406140 Q * cehteh jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * softi42 jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * shedi jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * sladen jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * kir jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * Zaki jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * Greek0 jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * nebuchadnezzar jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * pusling jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * cryo jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * mugwump jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * jake- jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * brc_ jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * TrueLight jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * virtuoso jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * bubulak jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * morrigan jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * mcp jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * redtux jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * h01ger jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406140 Q * Hollow jupiter.oftc.net unununium.oftc.net
1147406150 N * _mcp mcp
1147406400 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org
1147406400 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D6BB8.dip.t-dialin.net
1147406400 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1147406400 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1147406400 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1147406400 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.96.81
1147406400 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1147406400 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info
1147406400 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124
1147406400 J * cryo ~say@psoft.user.matrix.farlep.net
1147406400 J * TrueLight ~kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl
1147406400 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@shisha.spb.ru
1147406400 J * brc_ bruce@20151237032.user.veloxzone.com.br
1147406400 J * bubulak ~bubulak@cicka.wnet.sk
1147406400 J * h01ger ~holger@socket.layer-acht.org
1147406400 J * jake- qscand@murlocs.org
1147406400 J * redtux ~redtux@pc199.pub.univie.ac.at
1147406400 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1147406400 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1147406400 J * morrigan morrigan@212.16.62.52
1147409220 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net
1147410402 Q * kilian jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1147410402 Q * cohan jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1147410402 Q * Adrinael jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1147410402 Q * Bertl_zZ jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1147410402 Q * [PUPPETS]Gonzo jupiter.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net
1147410451 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi
1147410591 J * kilian kk@projects.verfaction.de
1147410591 J * Bertl_zZ herbert@212.16.62.52
1147410591 J * cohan ~cohan@koniczek.de
1147410591 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1147410662 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A06CBE.dip.t-dialin.net
1147410681 M * _coocoon_ morning
1147410804 M * Skram Hello.
1147411593 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1147412457 J * kilgur user@p5081259A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1147412620 J * Oli ~skycode@212.224.232.131
1147412789 Q * Oli Quit: 
1147413432 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@200.127.187.27
1147413890 Q * keyser_soze Quit: Abandonando
1147414156 J * keyser_soze ~cimarron@200.127.187.27
1147414577 Q * keyser_soze Remote host closed the connection
1147414718 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-189-36.kielnet.net
1147416297 J * lubomier ~lubomier@195.146.108.216
1147416437 M * lubomier hi, don't you have any idea how can I force 'vserver-stat' to show NAME column? http://pastebin.com/713030
1147416441 J * bon bon@shadow.radiolan.sk
1147416451 M * lubomier bon: :))
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1147417788 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A0536A.dip.t-dialin.net
1147418694 Q * complexmind Remote host closed the connection
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1147419837 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A0678F.dip.t-dialin.net
1147420627 M * lubomier hm, if i'll apply this http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg10590.html after that i'm not able even to start any vserver...
1147421759 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1147421775 M * pagano hi all
1147424145 Q * pagano Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147424502 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147424956 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1147426079 J * Oli_ ~skycode@212.224.232.131
1147426301 Q * Oli_ Quit: 
1147426414 M * bon hm
1147426425 M * bon when should the /etc/vservers be created?
1147426431 M * bon i seem to miss the whole dir structure
1147426531 M * tokkee bon: On Debian this directory is created when installing the util-vserver package...
1147426559 M * bon i seem to be running slackware
1147426559 M * bon :/
1147426584 M * tokkee Well, I guess there will be similar packages available ;-)
1147426643 M * bon hm
1147426683 M * bon there is nothing
1147426686 M * bon i compiled from source
1147426691 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1147426694 M * bon succesfully booted the new patched kernel
1147426702 M * bon installed util-vserver
1147426708 M * bon but no dirs have been created
1147426711 M * tokkee Oh well... so you should create the directory by hand as well...
1147426718 M * bon ah
1147426719 M * bon ok
1147427747 M * kilgur bon, the vserver directories will be created by  make install-distribution
1147427830 M * kilgur the created directories will be in /usr/local/ if you havn't specified a --prefix when calling ./configure
1147428330 J * Oli_ ~skycode@212.224.232.131
1147430207 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-201.lhi.is
1147431824 Q * Oli_ Quit: Oli_
1147432428 J * doener_ ~doener@i5387EC55.versanet.de
1147432428 Q * doener Read error: Connection reset by peer
1147433390 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147433532 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1147434411 Q * Zaki Quit: Leaving
1147434646 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.96.81
1147434760 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1147434764 M * Bertl morning folks!
1147434852 M * insomniac hi Bertl :)
1147434918 M * Bertl how is it going?
1147435005 M * insomniac fine, thanks, you?
1147435043 M * Bertl fine, fine, still a little busy but that's no big problem, I hope :)
1147435059 M * insomniac how was the linuxtag?
1147435069 M * _coocoon_ hello bertl
1147435070 M * Bertl it was really fun!
1147435077 M * Bertl hey _coocoon_!
1147435099 M * insomniac heh, that's  good :)
1147435183 M * Bertl _coocoon_: btw, I tried to reach the rsc, but that didn't work
1147435202 M * Bertl (but no big deal right now)
1147435308 M * Zaki morning Bertl :)
1147435316 M * Bertl morning Zaki!
1147435358 M * Bertl bon: when you compiled the tools from scratch
1147435389 M * Bertl bon: you got a message that you should also do a distribution install after the normal install
1147435425 M * Bertl bon: I also suspect, that if you did not specify any --prefix to the ./configure, your config files are all in /usr/local/*
1147435925 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@adsl136-175.aknet.it
1147435931 M * Bertl wb Pazzo!
1147436404 M * bon Bertl: make install-distribution doesn't seem to work for me
1147436430 M * Bertl why?
1147436436 M * Bertl I mean, what fails?
1147436439 M * bon root@[thunder]:~/vs/util-vserver-0.30# make install-distribution
1147436440 M * bon make: *** No rule to make target `install-distribution'.  Stop.
1147436451 M * Bertl ah, it's probably named differently
1147436460 M * bon but afaik it didn't tell me anywhere..
1147436465 M * bon let me take a look
1147436470 M * Bertl I never manage to remember ... look at the makefile and/or do a make install again
1147436493 M * Bertl btw, 0.30 is helplessly outdatex
1147436498 M * Bertl outdated
1147436508 M * Bertl so it might as well be that there is no such message
1147436526 M * Bertl get 0.30.210 and try again (but do a make uninstall first)
1147436539 M * bon k
1147436654 M * bon **** 'beecrypt' could not be found;
1147436655 M * bon **** this will disable the build of 'vhashify'
1147436658 M * bon should i worr? :)
1147436659 M * bon worry
1147436667 M * Bertl not if you do not want to vhashify :)
1147436682 M * Bertl but you should make sure that you have a recent dietlibc installed
1147436918 M * bon ok
1147436922 M * bon i hit another problem :)
1147436922 M * bon /usr/local/sbin/vserver-info: error while loading shared libraries: libvserver.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1147436989 M * Bertl probably your library path in /usr/local is not included 
1147437000 M * Bertl but I'd suggest to do another 'make uninstall' then
1147437008 M * Bertl use ./configure --prefix=
1147437028 M * Bertl to configure a more typical path like /usr/lib and friends
1147437041 M * bon /home/vserver is something i should worry about or can i use it?
1147437060 M * Bertl check the ./configure --help
1147437074 M * Bertl you can set a lot of things there (pathes) and you will get an overview at the end
1147437082 M * Bertl (of a normal ./configure run)
1147437112 M * Bertl it might also help to use --enable-apis=NOLEGACY (or --with-apis, another option I do not remember)
1147437189 M * bon Use dietlibc: no (you have been warned)
1147437191 M * bon :/
1147437211 M * Bertl well, I did mention that :)
1147437265 M * Bertl bon: the main problem is security, because glibc loads dynamic code
1147437280 M * Bertl which is something you definitely do not want when you are entering a guest
1147437289 M * bon sure
1147437293 M * bon compiling dietlibc
1147437549 Q * _coocoon_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1147437806 J * dsoul_ darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl
1147437938 M * brc_ good morning bertl
1147437947 M * brc_ can i request something ? :)
1147437970 M * brc_ it would be nice if the load average reported by ' uptime' on the guests would report the vserver uptime and not the host uptime
1147437999 M * Bertl it does, when you enable the proper virtualization flag :)
1147438025 M * Bertl (i.e. request granted :)
1147438026 M * brc_ this is not really necessary just something to make tihngs look better
1147438027 M * brc_ ahrm
1147438032 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Caps+and+Flags
1147438034 M * brc_ going to browse the site and check how to do that. thanks :)
1147438049 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1147438094 M * brc_ the project is really good. congratulations bertl. after quota firewall it iwll be 100% :)
1147438102 J * dsoul__ darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl
1147438142 M * Bertl brc_: tx!
1147438149 M * Bertl wb dsoul__!
1147438177 M * bon bertl you're my hero
1147438178 M * bon :)
1147438186 Q * dsoul Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147438188 M * brc_ heheheh
1147438188 M * brc_  16  0x00010000  VIRT_MEM  virt_mem   show virtualized meminfo
1147438199 M * brc_ will that apply to the "free" comand ?
1147438209 N * dsoul__ dsoul
1147438322 Q * dsoul_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147438447 M * Bertl brc_: yep, that's the idea!
1147438452 M * Bertl bon: you're welcome!
1147438471 M * brc_ how come i didnt know about that. that's perfefct
1147438474 M * brc_ gonna implement that today]
1147438521 M * brc_ going back to wory. cya :)
1147438530 M * Bertl cya
1147438803 M * bon :)
1147438845 M * bon so now it's just permissions
1147438847 M * bon i suppose
1147438856 M * bon WARNING: can not access /proc/uptime.
1147438860 M * bon open("/proc/uptime"): No such file or directory
1147438871 M * Bertl there is a script called vprocunhide
1147438885 M * Bertl you want to run that on system bootup (after you installed the vserver kernel)
1147439002 M * bon aaah
1147439007 M * bon i start to hate slackware
1147439011 M * bon Can not find util-vserver installation (the file '/usr/lib/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars' would be expected); aborting...
1147439066 M * Bertl hmm, but you did install the tools, I presume? (including the distro isntall)
1147439071 M * bon yes
1147439081 M * bon /usr/local/lib/util-vserver
1147439081 M * Bertl what does 'vserver-info - SYSINFO' say?
1147439085 M * bon that's where i have it
1147439107 M * Bertl upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org please
1147439139 M * bon there
1147439140 M * bon http://paste.linux-vserver.org/33
1147439167 M * bon can i simply symlink it? :)
1147439183 M * bon it should be in /usr/lib/util- and i have it in /usr/local/lib/util-
1147439347 M * bon simple edit of vprocunhide helped :)
1147439355 M * bon 0      116 709.7M 325.3M   9m59s56   2m20s72   3h50m27 root server
1147439391 M * Bertl okay, great!
1147439409 M * bon now just the last part, forking a child
1147439411 M * bon :)
1147439418 M * Bertl ah, you did not do the --prefix= I suggested above :)
1147439431 M * bon i did i think, but placed it into ~vserver
1147439432 M * bon or something
1147439441 M * bon then uninstall so clean configure and forgot prefix :)
1147439447 M * Bertl np
1147439477 M * bon any hint on forking a vserver on slack? all i read is simple debian :)
1147439522 M * Bertl well, it's simple, you need some kind of install method which gives you a slackware image in a dir
1147439536 M * Bertl image = installed files in a subdirectory
1147439552 M * Bertl you can do that by simply copying the host files into some subdir
1147439644 M * bon hmhm
1147439645 M * bon ..
1147439777 M * Bertl for debian, there is the debootstrap, for rpm based distros we have rpm, apt-rpm and yum, and for gentoo based you can install a base layout, no idea how installation works on slack
1147439800 M * Bertl nevertheless you could net-install a debian guest for a start
1147439869 M * bon is that quick'n'dirty? :)
1147439897 M * Bertl that depends on your network setup and the debian distro :)
1147439965 M * bon well
1147439967 M * bon i have 10mbit
1147439972 M * bon should be sufficient for now
1147439985 M * Bertl to the internet? that will more than suffice
1147439995 M * bon btw do you think
1147439996 M * bon http://www.fumanchu.com/vserver/
1147440000 M * bon that could possibbly work?
1147440019 M * Bertl I'm sure that will work :)
1147440047 M * bon ok, downloading
1147440053 M * bon what else needs to be done then?
1147440062 M * bon ah, i must do more rtfm :)
1147440069 M * bon btw you're one of the most helpful ppl lately
1147440070 M * bon thx :)
1147440099 M * Bertl tx for the flowers! guess this channel is a very friendly one after all
1147440160 M * bon after i've downloaded the guest image what should i configure?
1147440176 M * Bertl check out the folowing page:
1147440205 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1147440227 M * Bertl for your existing image the skeleton build method is the best
1147440244 M * Bertl first, figure a context id (xid), a hostname and if required a network IP
1147440281 M * Bertl then you do something like:
1147440298 M * Bertl vserver foo build -m skeleton --hostname vs.foo.org --interface eth0:192.168.3.1/21 --context 42
1147440302 M * Pazzo hi Bertl!
1147440340 M * Bertl bon: which will do all the config stuff for you, then you copy over the slack image to the guest dir, but leave the /dev as is (as the skeleton method created it)
1147440345 J * dsoul_ darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl
1147440426 N * sid3wind1 sid3windr
1147440440 M * bon hm
1147440445 M * bon i am just reading
1147440455 M * bon the copy method should make a copy of the root system?
1147440457 M * Pazzo Bertl: Finished "Playing with vServer" with this class right now (after successfully running it on DRBD on all students hosts and after some general smalltalk about Linux-vServer :o)
1147440458 M * bon (that's what i want)
1147440508 M * Bertl bon: yes, but I would be careful, it's probably not that well tested on slackware
1147440517 M * bon i could try
1147440517 M * bon :)
1147440532 M * bon ah
1147440533 M * bon Can not find a vserver-setup at '/usr/local/etc/vservers/build/'
1147440535 M * Bertl of course, and if it doesn't work as expected, patches are always welcome :)
1147440549 M * bon damn, installing vserver on slackware is a nightmare :)
1147440590 M * Bertl you might want to try with a prefix though
1147440635 Q * dsoul Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147440659 M * bon you mean --confdir?
1147440672 N * dsoul_ dsoul
1147440681 M * Pazzo Bertl: some of them hate Linux-Vserver right now - but it seems that it has also got some new fans ;-)
1147440689 M * Bertl bon: ./configure --prefix= ... (for the tools)
1147440706 M * Bertl bon: the installation is normally something distro dependant
1147440724 M * Bertl and it seems that slackware doesn't cope well with the /local default
1147440744 M * bon i see
1147440750 M * Bertl (but that's just my impression)
1147440753 M * bon so what would you suggest to prefix to set to?
1147440762 M * Bertl empty
1147440770 M * Bertl i.e. literally --prefix=
1147440783 M * Bertl but don't forget the uninstall first
1147440793 M * Bertl and add your rootdir for the guests
1147440919 M * bon vrootdir, right? :)
1147440921 M * bon compiling
1147440928 M * bon i'm lucky this is a fast machine
1147440987 M * Pazzo Bertl: I haven't been here for some while it's the first time I see "libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3" - would you suggest to use them instead of util-vserver? Do you have some link for me, where I could read up what this two packages are to be used for?
1147441063 M * Bertl those are new packages/libraries from Hollow, please contact him or bonbons  for details ...
1147441090 M * derjohn Bertl, did bonbons succeed with the v6 patch? Or did he drop the idea?
1147441101 M * Bertl Pazzo: they are able to handle the entire API now, but guest creation and startup/shutdown is not really done yet
1147441132 M * Bertl derjohn: we will get an update this weekend, I guess, but I'm pretty sure we will do ipv6 soon after the lo stuff
1147441145 M * derjohn lo is from him?
1147441162 M * Bertl nope, but I'm doing some development too, you know :)
1147441180 M * Hollow hm, probably we should take out those version lines
1147441182 M * Hollow ;)
1147441208 M * Bertl hopelessly outdated?
1147441226 M * derjohn Bertl, yes I've been told that you care a little for vserver development. ;)
1147441254 M * bon ah
1147441256 M * bon bertl :(
1147441266 M * bon after --prefix=
1147441271 M * bon with uninstall and install
1147441281 M * Hollow well, these are the current versions, but noone currently works on it, because of trunk, where development happens, and as i'm nearly the only committer it won't be usable at least until Q4
1147441281 M * bon still with vserver build -n vs01 -m copy ..
1147441282 M * bon i get
1147441283 M * Bertl first uninstall I hope?
1147441283 M * bon Can not find a vserver-setup at '/etc/vservers/build/'.
1147441286 M * bon sure
1147441299 M * Pazzo derjohn: are you sure? you shouldn't believe what other people say... :o)
1147441305 M * Pazzo Bertl: thnx
1147441334 M * Bertl bon: okay, give the skeleton with the slack image a try then
1147441578 M * bon it's pretty not working :)
1147441583 M * bon /lib/util-vserver/vserver-build: line 130: /lib/util-vserver/vserver-build.copy
1147441602 M * bon ah
1147441602 M * bon # vserver vs01 build -m skeleton
1147441603 M * bon chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/vs01
1147441690 M * Bertl reiserfs?
1147441716 M * Bertl xattrs disabled in the kernel?
1147441724 M * bon xfs
1147441754 M * Bertl hmm, does /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/vs01 exist?
1147441801 M * bon yes, it does
1147441866 M * Bertl chattr is very basic, did you disable something on your xfs?
1147441895 M * Bertl it's not even vserver related, btw
1147442047 M * bon chattr seems to say it's intended to be used along with ext2
1147442047 M * bon no?
1147442054 M * bon chattr - change file attributes on a Linux second extended file system
1147442067 M * Bertl all filesystems support this now (well, since 2.4 at least)
1147442092 M * derjohn bon, which version of util-vserver? 
1147442097 M * Bertl jfs got support added lately (a month ago)
1147442124 M * derjohn bon, could you file a bug that the description should be changed to sth apropriate?
1147442159 M * bon i'd rather have it running than file bugs, but i can
1147442160 M * bon sure
1147442170 M * bon util-vserver-0.30.210
1147442183 M * bon Bertl: so what would you suggest?
1147442208 M * Bertl check with grep XFS .config (in your kernel config)
1147442256 M * Bertl nah, it's on by default, just checked
1147442308 M * Bertl what version is your e2fsprogs?
1147442355 M * bon 1.38
1147442365 M * Bertl that should be more than sufficient
1147442382 M * Bertl very strange behaviour, never seen that before ...
1147442399 M * Bertl do you have special xfs mount options?
1147442402 M * bon vserver vs01 build -m skeleton
1147442403 M * bon right?
1147442408 M * bon no, just the basic ones
1147442483 M * Bertl okay, let's ignore it for now, although I'm not very happy about unexplainable kernel messages
1147442493 M * bon so what's next? :)
1147442502 M * bon should i copy over the skeleton image i've downloaded?
1147442517 M * Bertl yes, except for the /dev part
1147442644 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1147442779 M * bon should it not show up in server-stat already after vserver build?
1147442852 M * doener_ no, that shows the running ones only
1147442858 M * bon k
1147443088 M * bon so how do i start it?
1147443098 M * Bertl vserver vs01 start
1147443162 M * bon Failed to start vserver 'vs01'
1147443167 M * bon this doesn't sound any good :)
1147443188 M * Bertl no other messages?
1147443210 M * bon http://paste.linux-vserver.org/34
1147443212 M * Bertl is slackware sysv based?
1147443247 M * bon i think yes
1147443265 M * bon this took me whole day and still no sign of running solution ;o)
1147443268 M * bon but i've had fun with you
1147443275 M * Bertl try the following:
1147443304 M * Bertl echo plain >/etc/vservers/vs01/apps/init/style
1147443320 M * Bertl maybe check that the path is correct and the dir /etc/vservers/vs01/apps/init exists
1147443344 M * Bertl (if not create it) but check that /etc/vservers/vs01 matches your current setup
1147443372 M * bon wow
1147443372 M * bon ;]
1147443405 M * Bertl does that work now?
1147443407 M * bon indeed
1147443417 J * mattr_sf ~matt@p50884D7B.dip.t-dialin.net
1147443422 M * bon sh-3.00# ifconfig -a
1147443422 M * bon sh-3.00#
1147443428 M * Bertl okay, then for the record, slack is not (directly) sysv conform :)
1147443456 M * Bertl probably the runlevel script is somewhere else or takes different arguments
1147443474 M * bon aaaaaaa
1147443475 M * bon :))
1147443490 M * Zaki is there any commercial linux vserver solution based on linux-vserver ?
1147443494 M * Zaki other than OpenVPS
1147443507 M * Zaki oops
1147443507 M * derjohn Zaki, !commerce here
1147443513 M * Zaki i mean FreeVPS
1147443516 M * derjohn OpenVPS is free ...
1147443527 M * derjohn and Ben_ stuff (*new*)
1147443529 M * bon i want interface :)
1147443551 M * derjohn There is a very nice Web-Interface which is multi node capable
1147443555 M * Bertl that is what derjohn means with Ben_ stuff :)
1147443581 M * derjohn Bertl, yes, and of course |gerrit| stuff
1147443613 M * derjohn Zaki, but I am sure Bertl would create an interface for your customs needs if you like sponsor some development
1147443615 M * derjohn :)
1147443632 M * Zaki i am not asking about an interface
1147443639 M * derjohn Zaki, but?
1147443662 M * Bertl Zaki: the question here is more: what do you consider a commercial solution?
1147443668 M * Zaki i'm asking about a commercial "product" which is based on linux-vserver like www.freevps.com but another one
1147443673 M * bon one last thing for today :)
1147443684 M * bon please help me get an interface up
1147443690 M * Bertl Zaki: something you have to pay for support or such?
1147443701 M * Zaki Bertl, i mean by commercial solution:  like redhat and linux
1147443708 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497754C.dip.t-dialin.net
1147443709 M * Zaki Bertl, yes
1147443722 M * Bertl bon: did you specify the --interface on skeleton creation?
1147443730 M * Zaki Bertl, just like freevps.com
1147443740 M * Bertl Zaki: well, you can always pay for support here too
1147443763 M * Bertl Zaki: debian seems to include it in their vendor kernel
1147443864 M * bon Bertl: not really
1147443879 M * Zaki what is "vendor kernel"?
1147443887 M * Bertl bon: well, why don't folks read what I write :)
1147443895 M * doener_ the kernel that comes with the distro
1147443906 M * Zaki oh i see
1147443909 M * Bertl bon: you probably also 'forgot' the context id
1147443938 M * Bertl bon: I'd suggest to do the following (to simplify it for you):
1147443951 M * Zaki what else other than debian include linux-vserver ?
1147443995 M * Bertl bon: vserver vs02 build -m skeleton --hostname vs02.foo.org --interface  eth0:192.168.0.42/24 --context 42
1147444009 M * Bertl adjust the ip (192.168.0.42/24) according to your setup
1147444023 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch
1147444023 M * Bertl i.e. use a local IP for your guest or an unused public one
1147444051 M * Bertl Zaki: there are prebuilt kernels for many distros, but I do not know if they 'include' them yet
1147444063 M * Zaki Bertl, ok
1147444089 M * Zaki Bertl, so i consider the answer to my original question is debian
1147444099 M * Zaki Bertl, now i have a suggestion
1147444123 M * Zaki Bertl, for those who are interested in selling services related to linux-vserver
1147444141 M * Bertl you mean providers?
1147444143 M * derjohn Zaki, but keep in mind that Debian does not offer it in stable .. at least not a very current version. Take "sid" for the hosts
1147444163 M * derjohn Zaki, we do, yes ...
1147444177 M * Zaki Bertl, why not have a "product" that combines all things together in an integrated way to be used for hosting providers
1147444203 M * Bertl Zaki: go ahead, if you want to do something like that ...
1147444205 M * Zaki Bertl, and they pay for the product monthly fees
1147444246 M * Zaki Bertl, well i suggest that you do something like this
1147444265 M * Bertl nah, I do not consider this a good idea for me for several reasons
1147444281 M * Zaki why?
1147444287 M * Zaki if i may ask you why
1147444289 M * Bertl first, it's not something we are selling, it's free software in many ways 
1147444302 M * Zaki yes but you'll sell the services
1147444306 M * Bertl second, IMHO every provider has some special requirements
1147444317 M * Zaki associated with your package that contains the software
1147444345 M * Zaki and many providers have common requirements, isn't this true?
1147444347 M * derjohn Zaki, services? We (net-lab) sell guests as well as prepared hosts ... Bertl does not. We is avail for contract support ...
1147444347 M * Bertl third, if you like, you can always get some consulting time from me (unrelated to linux-vserver)
1147444365 M * Zaki derjohn, url plz?
1147444386 M * Zaki Bertl, ok i agree with this already
1147444387 M * derjohn www.net-lab.net but you wont find the products there yet.
1147444405 M * derjohn we are not so much in sellung online to anonymous markets.
1147444418 M * Zaki Bertl, thanks for all your help and service offering
1147444429 M * Zaki derjohn, ok
1147444430 M * Bertl Zaki: you're welcome!
1147444437 M * derjohn Zaki, we expect the distros in include linux-vserver sooner or later anyway
1147444448 M * derjohn Zaki, you are on the right path with the product.
1147444452 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1147444469 M * derjohn Zaki, if you like I prepare a ready-made installable Debian CD for you :)
1147444469 M * Zaki ok thanks
1147444657 M * Zaki brb
1147444676 M * derjohn Zaki, daniel_hozac is much in the Fedora stuff ... Bertl will have Mandriva at his fingertips .. so you have the choice ;)
1147444679 M * derjohn Zaki, l
1147444681 M * derjohn Zaki, k
1147444890 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
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1147444966 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1147444987 M * pagano hi
1147444996 M * pagano how can I add a comment into wiki?
1147445019 M * Bertl what is the problem?
1147445025 M * pagano http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1147445034 M * pagano I would modify it
1147445045 M * Bertl should be quite forward, just set your name (in preferences) change it and check with preview
1147445058 M * Bertl once it looks like it should be, save it
1147445080 M * pagano I have added some lines, but now I see my lines (ok) but also some comment
1147445094 M * pagano yes, of course
1147445106 M * pagano if u can take a look to that page
1147445129 M * pagano I have only added few lines
1147445145 M * pagano a list of package and nothing else
1147445158 M * pagano ...#EDIT 03.05.2006: Cent
1147445234 M * Bertl okay, I see what you changed, but what is the question?
1147445243 M * pagano check this line. I don't remember if this line was showed befere.
1147445261 M * pagano the lines with # character
1147445286 M * Bertl history says you added them
1147445297 M * Bertl ah, no
1147445307 M * Bertl just the #ADD and #Done
1147445344 M * Bertl the guy before you added the #EDIT stuff
1147445355 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo?action=history
1147445385 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p5497754C.dip.t-dialin.net
1147445417 M * pagano so, is it correct that is showed in output the #EDIT line?
1147445444 M * Bertl yes, seems he 'added' that there
1147445463 M * Bertl maybe a new code block would be better, I don't know
1147445480 M * pagano k k
1147445483 M * pagano thanks a lot
1147445492 M * Bertl np
1147445548 M * pagano well I can see, after many tests 
1147445565 M * pagano that vserver works fine also in Scientific Linux :)
1147445578 M * Bertl good to know!
1147445643 M * pagano This distro is very popular in academic world
1147445670 M * Bertl what does it provide what other distros don't?
1147445703 M * pagano it is 99% a centos, with some extra customization
1147445745 M * pagano nothing in particular, but it was born more or less with centos
1147445753 M * daniel_hozac Zaki: what would this product provide that isn't already provided? a written support contract?
1147445756 M * pagano when redhat finisched its support
1147445917 M * pagano a redhat enterprise recompiled without commercial tools.
1147445934 M * pagano like centos, I think that the concept is the same
1147445944 M * pagano the idea is the same
1147445950 M * Bertl i.c.
1147445994 M * pagano but
1147446006 M * pagano sometimes, when I try to stop a vm
1147446030 M * pagano an error happens and says me that some process can't be killed
1147446048 M * Bertl which process?
1147446104 M * pagano sometimes they are killed by hand,  sometimes I must kill those processes
1147446132 M * pagano named 
1147446138 M * pagano I'm sure
1147446177 M * pagano milogd also, see this log http://pastebin.com/713591
1147446211 M * daniel_hozac the minilogd is a problem with the CentOS scripts.
1147446225 M * daniel_hozac they do logging after shutting down syslogd.
1147446358 Q * trash Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147446361 M * pagano any idea to avoid this problem?
1147446393 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147446549 J * trash trash@databerlin.org
1147446563 M * Bertl welcome trash!
1147446633 M * daniel_hozac pagano: check 1145379576 in http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2006-04/LOG_2006-04-18.txt
1147446987 Q * f_ Quit: Leaving
1147447070 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, i just realized the saddr-fix01 is missing CONFIG_ for the #ifdefs.
1147447087 M * Bertl hum :)
1147447116 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.US
1147447126 M * Bertl good point, guess they currently get legacy behaviour, which explains why it is _soo_ similar in my tests :)
1147447142 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1147447439 Q * Pazzo Quit: ...
1147447492 M * waldi Bertl: haha
1147447556 M * doener_ waldi: he asked daniel and me to review the patch, neither of us spotted it either ;) (well, until now)
1147447723 M * daniel_hozac yeah, that's the fourth time i read the delta...
1147447765 M * Bertl well, better now than never :)
1147448878 J * MoeGreen ~blah@roscs004.americas.hp.net
1147448887 M * Bertl welcome MoeGreen!
1147448901 Q * kilgur Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com
1147449008 M * MoeGreen howdy! 
1147449719 M * pagano bye bye, see u
1147449735 Q * pagano Quit: Leaving
1147450374 J * liquid3649_ ~Viper0482@p549759BD.dip.t-dialin.net
1147450390 Q * liquid3649_ Quit: 
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1147451020 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549759BD.dip.t-dialin.net
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1147451993 J * comfrey ~comfrey@216-99-212-218.dsl.aracnet.com
1147452919 J * tso ~tso@233-143.adsl.pool.ew.hu
1147452925 M * tso hi all
1147452935 M * Bertl welcome tso!
1147452952 M * tso hi Bertl!
1147453005 M * tso Bertl, is there any chance to make chanelogs, or comments for -rcX series?
1147453048 M * Bertl yes, once I somewhat automate that, I will do that
1147453131 M * tso ok, thanks, i think this will help sometimes, if the user don't listen to the development day by day...
1147453194 M * tso for example, i had a problem yesterday with harry's grsec+vserver patch and i have to search a lot to figure it out what problem was fixed 
1147453235 M * Bertl well, I'm not involved in harry's patches, so that would not really help you, no?
1147453321 M * tso yes, but i think i had a deadlock problem, and i search that this was in the kernel, in vserver parch, or related to grsec...
1147453349 M * tso s/parch/patch , sry
1147453504 M * Bertl and, what was it finally?
1147453618 M * tso i find a fix on harry's ftp, maybe this is what i searched, but i don't know exactly yet, because i haven't got any debug information received from logs, or console etc.
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1147453655 Q * Zaki Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147453673 M * Bertl so you are still looking for the cause?
1147453699 M * tso maybe, i try the new one now
1147453761 J * id23 ~id@p54A01140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1147453762 M * tso the deadlock was after starting/stopping some vserver with quota
1147453789 M * Bertl please explain 'deadlock' in this regard
1147453793 M * Bertl welcome id23!
1147453800 M * id23 greetings #vserver & hi Bertl 
1147453806 M * BenBen Bertl: hey :)
1147453826 M * BenBen did anyone see zeng since the linuxtag?
1147453841 M * Bertl yes, he payed a short visit here
1147454044 M * BenBen hmm, i thought he is always here...
1147454072 M * tso Bertl: well, this was like a hard freeze, no network, no console, no sysrq etc, or maybe i misspelled it? 
1147454099 M * BenBen would like to talk to him because of the multiseat-setup for our company-workstations :) well, i'll write him a mail...
1147454103 M * Bertl tso: a so called hard-lockup then ...
1147454131 M * tso Bertl, ok sorry ;)
1147454141 M * Bertl BenBen: make that!
1147454159 M * Bertl tso: well, that should not happen with mainline+vserver
1147454185 M * id23 BenBen, multiseat-setup - do you mean a freeNX terminal server solution ?
1147454205 M * doener_ id23: no, we had a vserver-enhanced multi-seat setup at LinuxTag
1147454215 M * BenBen doener_: right!!!!11 :)
1147454221 M * tso Bertl: you are right with 2.6.17-rc3+vs i don't have problem with that
1147454230 M * doener_ ie. multiple graphic cards, soundcards, keyboards, mice and one X server per vserver
1147454246 M * id23 a vserver per user setup ?
1147454249 M * tso Bertl: like, not with
1147454249 M * id23 with X ?
1147454252 M * BenBen id23: yes
1147454266 M * id23 nice
1147454269 M * BenBen completly independent... very cool... and very undocumented :)
1147454292 M * doener_ most impressive was "kill -9 -1" having only one monitor turning off ;)
1147454401 M * Loki|muh that sounds very interesting
1147454427 M * Loki|muh bad luck that I was not able to come :(
1147454518 M * BenBen Loki|muh: yep, was great fun to be there :)
1147454519 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.107.125.44
1147454641 J * comfrey_ ~comfrey@216-99-217-92.dsl.aracnet.com
1147454646 Q * comfrey_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1147454656 J * comfrey_ ~comfrey@216-99-217-92.dsl.aracnet.com
1147454970 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147455383 M * daniel_hozac tso: you rebased vserver on 2.6.17-rc3? you know -rc4 is out, right?
1147455431 M * tso daniel_hozac: no, i used 2.6.16.x with grsec and vserver from harry's ftp
1147455454 M * daniel_hozac 19:17 < tso> Bertl: you are right with 2.6.17-rc3+vs i don't have problem with that
1147455460 M * tso daniel_hozac: because 2.6.17 was used only to test a raid device
1147455496 M * daniel_hozac but there are no vserver patches for 2.6.17-rc3... latest is for 2.6.17-rc1.
1147455524 M * daniel_hozac (and that's -rc16)
1147455555 M * tso daniel_hozac: hm, sry you are right, i missed it
1147456281 P * lubomier solved
1147456575 Q * comfrey_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147457714 Q * odedra Read error: Connection reset by peer
1147462938 M * Radiance evening guys
1147462959 M * Radiance is it possible to setup postfix in a vserver ? 
1147463078 M * Bertl evening! definitely
1147463101 M * Bertl I'm using postfix for several years now (inside a vserver guest)
1147463203 M * Radiance sweet, i suspected it would, but just need to know if it's possible without countless workaround or so :)
1147463243 M * Radiance i'm gonna give it a try, anything i should keep an eye on while setting it up ? (postfix,courier-pop3,sasl)
1147463319 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.38.81
1147464352 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147464613 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-1-107.dclient.hispeed.ch
1147465070 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147465396 M * tso Radiance, do anything as usual, except localhost thing of course
1147465817 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.CJB.Net
1147465880 M * Radiance tso, thanks
1147465889 M * Radiance and apache should be also do-able ? 
1147466565 M * sid3windr without any problem
1147466565 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/ProblematicPrograms should have all common programs that have problems.
1147467794 J * cryo ~say@psoft.user.matrix.farlep.net
1147468626 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1147468675 M * Bertl okay, leaving for translocation now .. back later
1147468681 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1147469027 M * Radiance laters BertI :)
1147470036 M * Radiance hmm when i type: vserver name enter then i get this error: mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted 
1147470056 M * Radiance while no changes are made in the last days
1147470067 M * Radiance it allows me to enter, just that msg
1147470643 J * pflanze ~chris@84-73-60-166.dclient.hispeed.ch
1147470702 M * pflanze Hello
1147470742 M * pflanze I'm missing announcements of the new vserver versions which have been put up lately.
1147470757 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147470762 A * pflanze read through the mailing list, but will now check the website, too
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1147471295 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D56DF.dip.t-dialin.net
1147472334 Q * tso Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.
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1147475374 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226
1147475528 M * shuri anybody here?
1147475620 M * Wonka no
1147476106 M * Skram no
1147476129 M * shuri arff
1147476139 M * Skram what do you need?
1147476149 M * shuri CTX   PROC    VSZ    RSS  userTIME   sysTIME    UPTIME NAME
1147476149 M * shuri 0       40  56.6M    17M   0m01s83   0m01s63   2m36s28 root server
1147476149 M * shuri 1100     4  10.7M   4.4M   0m00s60   0m00s10   1m22s55
1147476149 M * shuri 2300    18 166.3M  35.5M   0m00s36   0m00s00   1m52s15
1147476154 M * shuri i got no name
1147476157 M * Skram hrmm
1147476163 M * shuri this is strange
1147476169 M * Skram is it in your /etc/vservers/name/uts/nodename file?
1147476178 M * shuri i use lagacy conf
1147476185 M * Skram not too sure what that means
1147476256 M * shuri ok
1147476283 M * shuri legacy is old still conf
1147476295 M * shuri . /etc/vserver/vserver1.conf
1147476355 M * Skram oh
1147476357 M * Skram hrmph
1147476359 M * Skram well upgrade!
1147476360 M * Skram :)
1147476523 M * shuri ho well