1147132808 M * s0undt3ch oops
1147132812 M * s0undt3ch it does fail
1147132851 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, are you sure the guest has an ip at all?
1147132863 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, which VS version are you on?
1147132889 M * s0undt3ch 2.0.2
1147132907 M * s0undt3ch and now running spamassassin on port 10783, still fails
1147132972 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: and you?
1147132991 M * derjohn I run it from amavis :)
1147132997 M * s0undt3ch no, which VS
1147133007 M * derjohn ah, 2.1.1-rc19
1147133028 M * derjohn but I dont think that your problem
1147133031 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: have you got the localhost patch applied
1147133052 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, oh, I didnt notive that - sry
1147133071 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, but for what?
1147133092 M * s0undt3ch for what? the patch? so every guest has it's own 127.0.0.1
1147133135 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, yes, why would you need that? can you telnet to 10783 on  127.0.0.1 ?
1147133198 M * s0undt3ch no
1147133279 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, sry - I have no idea if and how that patch works .. besides that i am *tired*
1147133296 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, and leave office for bed now
1147133340 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: np, thanks anyway
1147133353 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, n8, bye ...
1147133646 M * s0undt3ch doener: does that localhost patch give an extra kernel option, or it will simply "change" things for us?
1147134198 M * doener i didn't find time to read that patch yet, so no idea
1147136589 M * Radiance if the host is being rebooted, does a vps shutdown also cleanly automatically ? or should the vps be first shutdowned then the host ? Also, i noticed for now that i can't use shutdown or reboot within the vps, this is default or can change something to make them work ? like at least rebooting within the vps. Appreciate the input !
1147136676 M * aphetadus I'm new to vserver..  is that correct that each open port on the host appear open on the guest? I have ssh and portmap running on the host...
1147136698 M * aphetadus I saw howto solvo to ssh, with the ListenAddress variable...
1147136703 M * doener Radiance: with sysv init style you need to use "reboot -f", as there is no init
1147136755 M * doener Radiance: about the shutdown, I am not really sure about it and thus wrote a small initscript to shut down the running vservers (didn't find one in util-vserver)
1147136802 M * doener hm, at least I used to have such a script... it's gone... :(
1147136851 M * Radiance ah thanks, btw, if shutdown the vps's one way or the other, and then reboot the host, the vps's autostart during boot ?
1147136880 M * aphetadus but, this behavior is expected? any socket on the host that binds to 0.0.0.0 will appear on the vps's?
1147136901 M * doener aphetadus: yep, that is expected. the host has access to all ip addresses
1147136942 M * aphetadus so, the host is intented to be used only as a host for VPS's, not as a server or workstation?
1147136949 M * doener Radiance: there comes an initscript with util-vserver to start vservers that are tagged... IIRC it's called vservers-defaults. It contains nice comments how to use it
1147136997 M * doener aphetadus: I use the host as my regular workstation/desktop box, you just have to care about configuring stuff like ssh to not listen on 0.0.0.0
1147137022 M * aphetadus ok doener, thanks for the help! 
1147137038 M * doener Radiance: that script also shuts down these tagged vservers IIRC, but doesn't care about the others
1147137045 M * doener aphetadus: you're welcome
1147137163 M * Radiance doener, ah perfect, i used the debian util-vserver and vserver-debiantools, noticed they did install init scripts, i'll modify them to suit the situation. Thanks :)
1147137244 P * aphetadus 
1147137507 M * doener i'm off to bed, have a good one!
1147137627 M * Radiance goodnight mate !
1147138874 Q * lonewolff Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147140893 J * TopGunSF ~TopGunSF@72.45.20.100
1147141522 M * TopGunSF hello all
1147141745 P * TopGunSF 
1147142027 Q * id23 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147142079 J * hillct ~H@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net
1147142086 M * hillct evening all
1147142563 J * id23 ~id@p54A02479.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1147142681 M * s0undt3ch ppl when I bind a vserver's path into another vserver must all the subdirs exist?
1147142852 M * s0undt3ch I'm doing /vservers/shells/var/trac/      /vservers/web/var/trac/ none bind,rw 0 0
1147142861 M * s0undt3ch both paths exist, but I get
1147142876 M * s0undt3ch secure-mount: chdir("/vservers/web/var/trac/"): No such file or directory
1147142896 M * s0undt3ch so, what's up?
1147143059 M * s0undt3ch anyone?!
1147143266 M * s0undt3ch nevermind
1147143294 M * hillct no idea
1147143295 M * hillct sorry
1147143335 M * s0undt3ch doin' it wrong
1147143361 M * s0undt3ch of course there ain't a /vservers/web/var/trac/ dir inside the guest, only /var/trac/
1147143385 M * hillct I'm having dumber general linux problems like I brought a second network interface online but can't get traffic to route across it
1147143729 Q * MrX Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147144189 Q * insomniac Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147145504 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1147149474 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147149776 M * Skram_[Sick] tcpdump work inside of a VPS?
1147149853 M * Skram_[Sick] ill try :)
1147149884 M * Skram_[Sick] sentien-shells / # tcpdump -i eth0
1147149884 M * Skram_[Sick] tcpdump: socket: Operation not permitted
1147149884 M * Skram_[Sick] sentien-shells / # tcpdump -i eth0:57
1147149884 M * Skram_[Sick] tcpdump: socket: Operation not permitted
1147149886 M * Skram_[Sick] aww
1147150612 M * s0undt3ch  could anyone try this url -> http://wikitemplates.ufsoft.org/
1147150618 M * s0undt3ch see anything?
1147150666 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1147150671 M * s0undt3ch wonderfull ;)
1147150703 M * f_ hi, I wanted to start a vserver guest on a host but get following errors:
1147150704 M * f_ vserver host5 start
1147150704 M * f_ 	f_	Starting the virtual server host5
1147150704 M * f_ 	f_	Server host5 is down
1147150704 M * f_ 	f_	find: var/run: No such file or directory
1147150705 M * f_ 	f_	touch: cannot touch `var/run/utmp': No such file or directory
1147150706 M * f_ 	f_	grep: /var/lib/vservers/host5/etc/inittab: No such file or directory
1147150708 M * f_ 	f_	/usr/sbin/vserver: line 191: /var/lib/vservers/host5/etc/mtab: No such file or directory
1147150718 M * f_ Can't execute /sbin/init (No such file or directory)
1147150718 M * f_ /etc/vservers/host5.sh: line 9: /var/lib/vservers/host5/etc/mtab: No such file or directory
1147150752 M * f_ any idea how to go on with such a problem (I am not a vserver specialist. our specialist is not available at the moment)
1147150808 M * daniel_hozac umm, do you have a guest at /var/lib/vservers/host5?
1147150850 M * f_ yes
1147150928 M * f_ but in /var/lib/vservers/host5 is not etc dir
1147150967 M * daniel_hozac is there an sbin dir? var?
1147151005 M * f_ dev and proc
1147151049 M * f_ nothing else.
1147151301 M * daniel_hozac so that's not in any way a complete guest.
1147151446 M * f_ it was running for month until 2 hours
1147151834 M * daniel_hozac so what did you do 2 hours ago?
1147152073 M * f_ nothing
1147152683 J * MrX ~urk@218.208.209.61
1147152766 M * f_ Bertl is helping now. it is a drbd issue.
1147152896 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1147153443 M * Bertl morning folks!
1147154054 N * _mcp mcp
1147154160 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147154436 M * Bertl problem resolved, off to bed now again ... 
1147154451 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1147156932 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147157557 J * chelli ~thomas@PC1.ideolabs.TGZ-Ilmenau.de
1147159608 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147159862 J * pagano_ ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1147160398 Q * MrX Remote host closed the connection
1147160415 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1147160476 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217.150.242.80
1147160690 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147160743 J * MrX ~urk@219.95.6.176
1147162294 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info
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1147163634 M * Hollow [PUPPETS]Gonzo: just download a vserver stage3 from gentoo mirrors (in /experimental/{amd64,x86}/vserver) unpack it, and be done
1147163643 M * Hollow just use skeleton method to build the config before
1147164658 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A06BBD.dip.t-dialin.net
1147164662 M * _coocoon_ morning
1147164700 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1147165075 Q * _coocoon_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1147165162 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A06BBD.dip.t-dialin.net
1147165869 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-217-123.pools.arcor-ip.net
1147165892 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147167332 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo hollow: thats that daniel recommended yesterday, and it worked, thanks. I had to fiddle with the rc scripts a lot, but now it seems to be running
1147167472 M * Hollow [PUPPETS]Gonzo: hm, what did you have to fiddle with?
1147167510 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo it tried to mount some stuff (proc, pts, devfs, etc) and shutdown, when it did not work
1147167525 M * Hollow then you did not use the vserver stage
1147167540 M * Hollow we have an own basleayout for vserver in gentoo
1147167541 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo did not know, that it exists :)
1147167553 M * Hollow and changing baselayouts is not alyways fun
1147167553 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo took stage3
1147167562 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I never used gentoo before
1147167562 M * Hollow so we build our own stage3s
1147167573 M * Hollow but in the nearer future that problem will also go away
1147167616 M * Hollow [PUPPETS]Gonzo: well, there are the normal stages in /release/x86/current/stage3*.tar.bz2
1147167626 M * Hollow but they have a not working baselayout
1147167635 M * Hollow so just use the stages in /experimental/x86/vserver
1147167638 M * Hollow and you should be fine
1147167641 M * derjohn doener, did you already do/think about the benchmark of response time vs. # of guests?
1147167648 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo next time I will. This time I "fixed" them :)
1147167658 M * Hollow ok, good ;)
1147167782 M * Hollow [PUPPETS]Gonzo: btw, do you know where the photos morrigan are?
1147167787 M * Hollow +shot
1147167790 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo no
1147167796 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo are they uploaded yet?
1147167803 M * Hollow i just watched the cam movie *gg*
1147167806 M * Hollow dunno
1147167808 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo (info: I'll have a 24h disconnect in 3 minutes, don't wonder)
1147167822 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-201.lhi.is
1147167825 M * Hollow ah, i love always-on :)
1147167829 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo bertl said something about uploading the pictures the next days. But where are the ones from demjohn?
1147167840 M * Hollow http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/LT/
1147167847 M * Hollow these are the webcam pics
1147167853 M * Hollow don't know of any other
1147167854 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo oh, they mirrored them
1147167869 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I have them on my webspace (I made the movie) :)
1147167885 M * Hollow heh, nice
1147168040 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo back for good :)
1147168137 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I now have a quad-display setup, I'll have to buy some keyboards and usb-hubs and rebuild zengs multi-seat-setup sometime :)
1147168249 M * Radiance show a picture if you have one ? :)
1147168468 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo not yet :)
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1147168855 Q * ||Cobra|| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1147169152 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204
1147169509 M * cemil foobar!
1147170088 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147170163 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147170185 Q * f_ Quit: 
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1147171676 M * _coocoon_ hollow: sorry for disturbing what do i all need to use the xmlrpc tool, i wanted to try to make something maybe i can get something to work
1147171708 M * _coocoon_ hollow: u said we need a client
1147171848 M * Hollow _coocoon_: well, just check it out via trunk and compile it, you'll need expat, and libvserver from trunk
1147171856 M * Hollow http://dev.croup.de/repos/
1147171866 M * Hollow ehm
1147171870 M * _coocoon_ hm it only works with libvserver
1147171883 M * _coocoon_ i wanted to use util-vserver
1147171885 M * Hollow http://dev.croup.de/repos/libvserver/ and http://dev.croup.de/repos/vserver-utils
1147171898 M * Hollow anonymous checkout si allowed
1147171901 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147171916 M * _coocoon_ ok i wanted to install it on a guest is this possible
1147171927 M * _coocoon_ which distro i see fedora right
1147171935 M * Hollow yes, is does nearly onthing vserver related until now ;)
1147171949 M * Hollow (i.e. no vserver syscalls or such)
1147171975 M * _coocoon_ ok so i can use util-vserver
1147171994 M * Hollow well, i thought you want to test the xmlrpc stuff
1147172021 M * Hollow for now it's just a plain xmlrpc dameon with some generic commands
1147172025 M * Hollow no vserver stuff
1147172031 M * _coocoon_ hm i wanted to make it usable if i have the time and the experience and this will take a long time
1147172042 M * _coocoon_ ;-)
1147172045 M * _coocoon_ ah ok
1147172045 M * Hollow yes, it took already a long time ;)
1147172069 M * _coocoon_ ok so vserver stuff must implemented rigth
1147172080 M * Hollow i'm currently thinking of moveing the database stuff to sql using libdbi (so one can choose between mysql sqlite pgsql or so)
1147172085 M * Hollow yup
1147172103 M * _coocoon_ for xml i do not need any tools
1147172107 M * Hollow xml?
1147172113 M * Hollow you mean in xmlrpc
1147172140 M * Hollow you don't need to care about the xmlrpc stuff... the xmlrpc-epi library does a good job
1147172141 M * Hollow ;)
1147172145 M * _coocoon_ hm ok it is different i mean it called xml-rpc, so xml is also implemeted or do i misunderstand this
1147172160 M * Hollow yup, but i never touched xml related things ;)
1147172169 M * Hollow just using the library ;)
1147172316 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147172330 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147172336 Q * dev Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147172447 M * _coocoon_ so hollow what do u mean which database is best thing for this mysql or postgre
1147172483 M * Hollow hm.. "using libdbi (so one can choose between mysql sqlite pgsql or so)"
1147172504 M * Hollow i don't tell users which db is best ;)
1147172512 M * Hollow they should decide
1147172604 J * dev ~dev@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1147172704 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147172902 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
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1147173491 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A07ED1.dip.t-dialin.net
1147173696 J * doener_ ~doener@i5387E4C5.versanet.de
1147173935 N * BobR_zZ BobR
1147174109 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1147175338 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976B62.dip.t-dialin.net
1147175449 N * otaku42_away otaku42
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1147176337 J * yarihm ~yarihm@vpn-global-039-dhcp.ethz.ch
1147176340 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio347.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1147176424 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976B62.dip.t-dialin.net
1147176671 M * harry hmm...
1147176683 M * harry question: how do i install rehdat AS 3 on in a vserver ?
1147176686 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Welcome, Milf
1147177122 M * Milf Hi Gonzo
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1147177598 M * doener_ derjohn: no, didn't have time for that yet
1147177688 J * pagano_ ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1147177855 M * derjohn doener_, i may have soem hardware here, if you need such to test 
1147178017 Q * mountie Quit: LUNCK!
1147178420 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
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1147181059 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976B62.dip.t-dialin.net
1147181560 J * gypsymauro ~Io@host103-11.pool21757.interbusiness.it
1147181563 M * gypsymauro hello
1147181584 M * gypsymauro how I can create the ttyS0 device on a vserver guest
1147181610 M * mnemoc create it on from the context 0
1147181612 M * doener_ copy it from the host
1147181636 M * gypsymauro I found that on google.. so that is the way to go?
1147181648 M * gypsymauro it was a 2002 message :)
1147181673 M * doener_ yes. the guest's root has no permission to create dev nodes, because otherwise he could gain access to any device
1147181754 M * harry anyone clues on how to get RHAS 3 running inside a guest?
1147181927 J * VooDooMaster icechat5@topas.informatik.uni-ulm.de
1147182009 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147182207 M * gypsymauro tanx
1147182209 Q * gypsymauro Quit: leaving
1147182440 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1147182702 J * oliwel ~oliwel@ldvpc07.ldv.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
1147182739 A * oliwel waves hello to the crowd
1147183738 J * gypsymauro ~Io@host103-11.pool21757.interbusiness.it
1147183793 M * gypsymauro again me:) I'm trying to install hylafax server on a vserver, but when I launch it it says May  9 14:13:27 dnsfax HylaFAX[3386]: Could not create dev/null: Operation not permitted
1147183799 M * gypsymauro but I've /dev/null
1147183806 M * gypsymauro just copied 
1147183835 M * oliwel hmm - so why will hlyfa try to create it if its already there ?
1147183847 M * gypsymauro I dunno...
1147183856 M * oliwel its correct that you cannot create nodes in the default setup
1147183883 M * gypsymauro there is a way to override that?
1147183894 M * oliwel permissions set corect ? Mode set corect on dev/null
1147183903 M * oliwel I am not aware of hylafax at all
1147183935 M * doener_ gypsymauro: hylafax runs in a chroot, and there it tries to create that devnode
1147183949 M * doener_ it's mentioned on the problematic programs page in the wiki
1147183960 M * doener_ http://linux-vserver.org/ProblematicPrograms
1147184126 M * doener_ good that somebody asked about it at LinuxTag, otherwise I wouldn't know it :)
1147184591 J * matta ~matta@c-69-248-147-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1147184775 M * gypsymauro doener_: well I've not dev/capi* in my host
1147186191 M * doener_ gypsymauro: udev or static dev?
1147186260 M * gypsymauro doener_: sorry I read badly the doc 
1147186261 M * gypsymauro  cp -aR /dev/null /vservers/your_vserver/var/spool/hylafax/dev
1147186271 M * gypsymauro instead I copied the device on /dev
1147186555 M * doener_ heh :) 
1147186629 M * doener_ works now?
1147186648 M * oliwel bye folks - will leave for now
1147186657 M * doener_ bye oliwel 
1147186661 Q * oliwel Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006021510]
1147186767 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo doener... mhm... I get hungry
1147186787 M * doener_ [PUPPETS]Gonzo: i'm sooooo sorry ;)
1147186871 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
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1147187204 M * gypsymauro doener_: yes
1147187269 M * doener_ great
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1147187919 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54976B62.dip.t-dialin.net
1147188207 N * otaku42 otaku42_away
1147188448 P * gypsymauro 
1147188596 J * gypsymauro ~Io@host103-11.pool21757.interbusiness.it
1147188687 M * gypsymauro suppose I want to backup all my istance of vserver's guests, and suppose then my 0 crashes, then I'll reinstall a vserver on another machine..it's enough to untar my backup in the right place? and everything magically works?:)
1147189008 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo backup settings, too? setup barrier...
1147189195 A * h01ger waves
1147189226 M * gypsymauro [PUPPETS]Gonzo: what do u mean
1147189240 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo with what?
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1147189971 M * gypsymauro 17:36 < [PUPPETS]Gonzo> backup settings, too? setup barrier...
1147190010 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo well, your vserver settings, e.g. network config, etc. This would be a nice directory, to backup, too
1147190018 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo barrier -> chroot barrier
1147190020 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo etc?
1147190155 M * gypsymauro of course
1147190192 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo I used rsync to move a vserver from one host to another, so your tarfile _should_ be enough. to be sure: Try it :)
1147190237 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo (and to make sure that you don't miss anything / or an option)
1147190807 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.118
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1147195267 J * ben_ ~Lukas@88.134.54.56
1147195273 M * ben_ hello :D
1147195505 M * hillct hi
1147195542 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-255-090.pools.arcor-ip.net
1147195579 M * hillct I'm upgrading from tools 208 to tools 210. using RPMs. Is it required that I shut down all vservers prior to upgrading the utils, then start them back up with the new utils?
1147195613 M * hillct daniel_hozac: ping
1147195709 M * hillct anyone?
1147195724 M * daniel_hozac it shouldn't matter.
1147195816 M * daniel_hozac though restarting the guests will give you static nids, if you have static xids.
1147195820 M * daniel_hozac but as i said, nothing important.
1147195912 M * hillct restarting after the utils upgrade will accomplish that right?
1147195926 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1147195981 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1147195986 A * hillct does that
1147196031 M * doener_ daniel_hozac: do you think we should repost the bug/patch to stable@ ? I'm unsure how to proceed as the patch that should be applied is obviously the one from trond
1147196034 Q * pagano_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147196068 M * daniel_hozac well, wouldn't the CC to greg kh suffice?
1147196115 M * doener_ thought so, but I'm not sure about that anymore
1147196144 M * doener_ especially because .14 was released by chris wright, so maybe greg is too busy
1147196247 A * doener_ should really have updated his knowledge about @kernel.org addresses
1147196256 J * odedra ~oded@bzq-84-108-241-136.cablep.bezeqint.net
1147196350 J * dearaujo ~dearaujo@cpe-66-25-189-193.austin.res.rr.com
1147196378 M * dearaujo anyone have experience creating a guest on sles9?
1147196655 M * dearaujo i keep getting ERROR: Can not find configuration for the distribution 'suseEnterprise'; even though I'm trying to create a fc4 guest
1147196687 M * dearaujo any ideas?
1147196871 M * daniel_hozac hmm, that's odd. how are you trying to create it?
1147196899 M * dearaujo vserver ftpserv build -m apt-rpm --context 102 -- d fc4
1147196909 M * dearaujo i have apt installed
1147196924 M * daniel_hozac you have -d fc4, right? not d fc4?
1147196959 M * dearaujo wow - im a fool
1147196970 P * matta 
1147196996 M * dearaujo now i get different errors - but I think I can handle them
1147197005 M * dearaujo thanks daniel_hozac
1147197017 M * daniel_hozac hehe, no problem.
1147197387 M * hillct daniel_hozac: worked like a champ. Overall the upgrade from 2.01 to 2.02 went a LOT smoother than the upgrade from 1.95 to 2.01
1147198355 N * VooDooMaster VooDooMaster[A]
1147198355 A * VooDooMaster[A] is now away - Reason : ... cu ...
1147198623 M * hillct daniel_hozac: I'm trying to place the host's two NICs on two separate networks but am having difficulty with the routing rules. Is there any impact the presence of vserver would impact the application of multiple route tables?
1147198658 M * daniel_hozac no, networking happens on the host.
1147198737 M * daniel_hozac i don't see why you would need multiple routing tables though.
1147198740 M * hillct yeah. I figure I'm just setting up the routing rules incorrectly
1147198754 M * hillct maybe I don't
1147198765 M * hillct but clearly I'm doing something wrong
1147198795 M * hillct one nic is on a /24 the other is on a /28 vlan
1147198819 M * hillct I can't get it to route through the vlan at all
1147198848 M * hillct This is what I was trying:
1147198849 M * hillct ip route add 66.193.14.0/24 dev eth0 src 66.193.14.120 table 1
1147198849 M * hillct ip route add default via 66.193.14.1 table 1
1147198849 M * hillct ip route add 66.195.193.144/28 dev eth2 src 66.195.193.146 table 10
1147198849 M * hillct ip route add default via 66.195.193.145 table 10
1147198849 M * hillct ip rule add from 66.193.14.0/24 lookup 1
1147198851 M * hillct ip rule add from 55.195.193.144/28 lookup 10
1147199116 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-153-153-4.dsl.telesp.net.br
1147199865 M * brc_ does anyone know what does "DEGRADED" mean on a raid enviroment ?
1147199958 M * daniel_hozac one broken drive?
1147200017 M * hillct means one of the drives is damaged and needs to be replaced
1147200022 M * hillct Do you have a hot spare?
1147200043 M * hillct if not, grab a new drive, install it and rebuild the array
1147200061 M * hillct along with the DEGRADED message should be an indication of which drive is faulty
1147200095 M * hillct that's the normal scenerio, but I've also seen cases where the SCSI bus is messed up and would generate random drive failures
1147200125 J * laidamente ~laidament@86.Red-88-15-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
1147200159 M * hillct daniel_hozac: what's the more correct way to handle routing on separate networks if not to setup separate routes?
1147200232 M * hillct or is it just that you suggest an alternate route setup technique (that hopefully works :)
1147200235 Q * laidamente Remote host closed the connection
1147201101 J * TrueLight ~kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl
1147201103 M * TrueLight Hi all :)
1147201105 M * dearaujo ../.
1147201124 M * TrueLight quick question: is it correct that --hide /proc is no longer run via Gentoo init.d script?
1147201160 M * daniel_hozac hillct: well, i guess it depends. your setup seems to require it.
1147201184 M * daniel_hozac TrueLight: almost everything is hidden by default.
1147201220 M * TrueLight daniel_hozac: I mean, I just updated to latest stable, and it gave me this via etc-update:
1147201223 M * TrueLight -       ${_SETATTR} -Rx --hide /proc
1147201223 M * TrueLight -
1147201227 M * TrueLight I just wonder if it is correct :)
1147201294 M * daniel_hozac TrueLight: as i said, almost everything is hidden by default. you don't need to run that to hide things.
1147201311 M * TrueLight daniel_hozac: k, tnx :) It always spooks me, such things ;)
1147202648 J * zeng ~s3ff3ndi@p54A96201.dip.t-dialin.net
1147202796 M * zeng any body home? just drop by to say hello. I'm still trying to recover from LT06. :)
1147202848 M * doener_ hey zeng :)
1147202868 M * zeng hi doener_, wie geht's ...
1147202930 M * doener_ I'm fine, thanks :) (channel language is english, there are still some folks in #vserver-linuxtag though which has german as channel language)
1147202950 M * zeng I see...
1147203005 M * zeng just want to let everybody know, that I'm still here with vserver..., just need some "off-time" after lt06. :)
1147203006 M * doener_ been really exhausted when I came home sunday morning (3am), but back to normal now
1147203040 M * doener_ guess your trip home went well?
1147203049 M * zeng I got long discussion with Ubuntu, regarding project name and logo for out multi-seat setup ...
1147203071 M * doener_ so they wanna get involved? great news :)
1147203080 M * zeng doener_: I live in Mz-Gonsenheim, so it's just a "Katzensprung" ;)
1147203087 M * doener_ ah, I see
1147203131 M * zeng doener_: not really :(, I just ask for a name, but at least they said "they can grant me a license to use the MoreUbuntu name".
1147203187 M * doener_ :/
1147203187 M * zeng I was asking for the name "Ubuntu+" or "Ubuntu*" which are too "general", so they disagree with that, which I can understand.
1147203205 M * doener_ yep, that's understandable
1147203222 M * zeng so I will go with "MoreUbuntu"
1147203258 M * zeng as soon as I "recover", I'll setup my computer again at home, and start write some documentation :)
1147203281 M * doener_ in the "tradition" of Ubuntu names, sth. like Multibuntu also sounds nice (IMHO)
1147203299 M * zeng sadly I was too late to know about the google summer code... heared about that?
1147203322 M * doener_ yes, a friend of mine participated last year
1147203349 M * zeng Multibuntu or even Morebuntu sounds nice, but stupidly it means "Sackgasse/Dead end" in Indonesia :), so I stay with MoreUbuntu.
1147203374 M * doener_ *lol*
1147203381 M * doener_ nice coincidence
1147203398 M * zeng Maybe next year you "might" want to participate in google summer code, we can talk about that offline :)
1147203422 M * zeng since I'm no longer student, I can't join it :(
1147203475 M * zeng "Sackgasse/Dead end" == "buntu"
1147203541 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1147203546 M * Bertl morning folks!
1147203552 M * doener_ morning Bertl
1147203553 M * zeng hi Bertl...
1147203602 M * Bertl hey zeng! do you have your MSDT (or some reduced version) at hand for testing?
1147203641 M * Bertl hey doener_!
1147203675 M * zeng I just drop by to say hello. All my stuffs are still "packaged" as I left LT06 :)
1147203696 M * zeng But maybe end of this week, I'll setup everything....
1147203732 M * zeng Bertl: what is new? For you I test everything :)
1147203745 M * Bertl okay, np, would be interesting to get something with a single graphics card which has two heads working, and of course the more classical approach with two cards ...
1147203759 M * Bertl zeng: I'm honored :)
1147203777 M * Bertl I think we need some basic tests regarding the pci separation
1147203793 M * Bertl I would also like to check for usb unplug/replug handling
1147203807 M * zeng Bertl: Regarding MoreUbuntu, I told doener_ that Ubuntu agreed with the name, we even have a logo for MoreUbuntu.
1147203841 M * zeng I asked for Ubuntu+ or Ubuntu* which are rejected, since these names are too general.
1147203854 M * doener_ Bertl: btw, did you talk to the Qlusters guy yet (the mac address stuff)
1147203863 M * Bertl what about MultiBuntu :)
1147203882 M * zeng told doener_: Multibuntu or even Morebuntu sounds nice, but stupidly it means "Sackgasse/Dead end" in Indonesia :), so I stay with MoreUbuntu.
1147203889 M * zeng "Sackgasse/Dead end" == "buntu"
1147203907 M * Bertl ah, i.c.
1147203925 M * Bertl doener_: not really, any news there?
1147203967 M * brc_ hillct: thanks
1147203972 M * zeng Bertl: pci separation sounds really good.
1147204010 M * zeng Bertl: usb unplug/replug handling should not be concern of vserver IMHO, but of udev.
1147204029 M * doener_ Bertl: no, I took a quick look at their source code, but well... it is java code *g*
1147204059 M * zeng Bertl: /proc/asound (ALSA) might also need some special attention (but this is low priority)
1147204097 M * Bertl zeng: okay, just was thinking about _changing_ usb devices, once you 'copied' the device into the guest
1147204119 M * Bertl zeng: anyway, will prepare some test/debug patches for the weekend, okay?
1147204138 M * Bertl (so that we get an idea what's going on inside the kernel)
1147204145 M * dearaujo hi, im trying to install debian guest and I get the following error: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-ppc64/Packages
1147204176 M * Bertl IIRC, they changed to powerpc recently? could that be it?
1147204184 M * dearaujo command im using is: vserver ftpserv build --force -m debootstrap -- -d sarge
1147204191 M * dearaujo hmm
1147204193 M * Bertl (i.e. ppc/64 -> powerpc)
1147204219 M * Bertl but maybe that's just wrong, so do not count on it, better ask micah or so
1147204251 M * hillct hmm
1147204270 M * hillct this seems to touch on the routing issues I'm seeing now... http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0470.html
1147204286 M * hillct any updates on the information provided here?
1147204453 M * Bertl should be quite valid, what 'issues' do you see?
1147204522 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147204555 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147204824 M * hillct Bertl: I've enabled a second network interface and placed it on a separate vlan
1147204840 M * hillct but can't route any traffic out of it
1147204856 M * hillct from vserver guest or host
1147204995 M * hillct based on that archive item, I configured the routes thusly:
1147204997 M * hillct ip route add 66.193.14.0/24 dev eth0 src 66.193.14.120 table 1
1147204998 M * hillct ip route add default via 66.193.14.1 table 1
1147204998 M * hillct ip route add 66.195.193.144/28 dev eth1 src 66.195.193.146 table 10
1147204998 M * hillct ip route add default via 66.195.193.145 table 10
1147204998 M * hillct ip rule add from 66.193.14.0/24 lookup 1
1147204999 M * hillct ip rule add from 55.195.193.144/28 lookup 10
1147205006 M * hillct which didn't work
1147205016 M * doener_ Bertl: any opinion on whether we should re-send the patch for the fcntl_setlease problems to stable@? I'm uncertain, especially because trond's patch is the one going to be merged
1147205198 M * Bertl hillct: did you check which rules actually apply
1147205212 M * Bertl hillct: could you upload the entire routing tables somewhere?
1147205253 M * hillct routing is not my strong suit. Are you looking for the output of route -n?
1147205285 M * hillct is that the entire table?
1147205490 M * zeng btw. anybody uses drupal? http://www.drupal.org
1147205538 M * hillct I migrate clients away from it all the time
1147205543 M * hillct Bertl: http://pastebin.com/708125
1147205671 M * zeng hillct: away from drupal? why?
1147205695 M * hillct it's not terribly mature
1147205701 M * hillct or robust
1147205710 M * hillct it has promise
1147205715 M * hillct but it's not there yet
1147205778 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1147206194 M * zeng hillct: i c. thx for the info
1147206206 M * dearaujo Bertl: does that mean I can change something to recognize powerpc instead of ppc64?
1147206257 M * Bertl hillct: well, I guess I need the output of 'ip route ls all'
1147206268 M * hillct K
1147206270 M * hillct one sec
1147206296 J * toblerp ~toblerp@85.90.130.132
1147206309 M * Bertl welcome toblerp!
1147206321 M * toblerp hi
1147206348 M * zeng be right back... bye
1147206442 M * doener_ dearaujo: ARCH=powerpc might work
1147206451 M * hillct Bertl: http://pastebin.com/708179
1147206583 M * hillct the only odd route I see is the 169.254 route but that doesn't seem like it would hae an impact, since it only applies for localhost
1147206586 M * hillct er
1147206606 M * hillct as I understand it
1147206704 M * zeng be right back... bye
1147206706 M * dearaujo doener_: like so?: ..  -d sarge -- ARCH="powerpc"
1147206716 Q * zeng Quit: 
1147206752 M * Bertl hillct: sorry, the proper command is: ip route ls table all
1147206770 M * Bertl and I guess we will also need: ip rule ls
1147206807 M * Bertl btw, what is the 169.254 for?
1147206822 M * doener_ dearaujo: sorry, guess I mixed that up with kernel cross compiling... should be: ... -d sarge -- --arch powerpc
1147206897 J * Zaki[] ~Zaki@86.60.32.65
1147206907 M * Bertl welcome Zaki[]!
1147206932 M * dearaujo doener_: thanks, that worked
1147206951 M * doener_ you're welcome
1147206979 M * Bertl dearaujo: btw, how did the ppc64 userspace compiling go?
1147206985 M * hillct Bertl: http://pastebin.com/708199
1147207001 M * hillct Bertl: I have no idea what the 169 toute is for. I didn't add it
1147207019 M * hillct seems as though it could be safely removed
1147207032 M * dearaujo Bertl: went very well, I had to pass in some compiler options...
1147207048 M * Bertl okay, so you finally got 64bit userspace tools, yes?
1147207053 M * dearaujo yep
1147207064 M * Bertl I also assume they passed the testme.sh ?
1147207067 M * hillct part of my concern in testing this in more risky ways is I don't cafe a terminal server in place and can't afford to have this server fall off the network
1147207076 A * dearaujo checks
1147207095 M * dearaujo Bertl: yes - all tests passed
1147207131 M * Bertl hillct: okay, lets do a simple example with ping and then nc (netcat) for your routing
1147207136 M * dearaujo Im finding it quite difficult to create a guest however..
1147207146 M * Bertl dearaujo: hmm, why?
1147207155 J * zeng ~sef@p54A96201.dip.t-dialin.net
1147207164 M * zeng hi all, I'm back... :)
1147207189 J * Zaki ~Zaki@212.118.96.92
1147207198 M * Bertl wb zeng!
1147207235 M * Bertl hmm Zaki+Zaki[]?
1147207236 M * dearaujo well - it's not platform specific - just that I don't quite understand how to create a guest wihtout using yum
1147207259 M * Zaki Bertl, :)
1147207260 M * Bertl dearaujo: for a yum based distro?
1147207263 M * dearaujo i tried apt but I couldn't find a fedora apt repository
1147207266 M * Zaki Bertl, well gtg, bye for now
1147207267 M * dearaujo yes
1147207275 M * Bertl Zaki: k, cya
1147207295 M * Bertl dearaujo: okay, because debian/ubuntu should be fine with debootstrap
1147207318 M * dearaujo yes - that's why a tried debian :)
1147207327 Q * Zaki_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147207330 M * dearaujo since I couldnt figure out anything else :)
1147207341 M * dearaujo but now I get secure-mount: chdir("/tmp"): No such file or directory
1147207341 M * dearaujo /etc/vservers/test42/fstab:2:1: failed to mount fstab-entry
1147207341 M * dearaujo find: var/run: No such file or directory
1147207341 M * dearaujo fakerunlevel: open("/var/run/utmp"): No such file or directory
1147207409 M * hillct Bertl: how would you like the test conducted?
1147207439 M * hillct unfortunately I don't have another device on either of the networks from which to conduct same-subnet tests
1147207507 Q * Zaki[] Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147207516 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1147207598 M * Bertl hillct: no, what I mean is, we need two IPs, one local, one remote, which should be routed via your 'new' interface
1147207612 M * hillct ah
1147207629 M * hillct local IP is 66.195.193.146
1147207650 M * hillct on the new interface eth1
1147207702 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1147207742 Q * f_ Quit: 
1147207866 M * hillct Bertl: what to I need to do to complete the test?
1147208069 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147208178 M * Bertl hillct: the remote ip :)
1147208195 M * hillct yeah
1147208198 M * hillct how remote?
1147208210 M * hillct same subnet?
1147208215 M * Bertl well, it should be an example which fails for you
1147208229 M * dearaujo there something special I need to do with the init_script for a debian sarge guest? : An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when
1147208229 M * dearaujo there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script
1147208229 M * dearaujo () failed.
1147208254 M * hillct I can't get to the vlan gateway 66.195.193.145
1147208262 M * hillct network unreachable
1147208305 M * hillct ping returns 100% packet loss
1147208339 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ping 66.195.193.145
1147208340 M * hillct PING 66.195.193.145 (66.195.193.145) 56(84) bytes of data.
1147208340 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208340 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208340 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208341 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208341 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208343 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208343 M * hillct --- 66.195.193.145 ping statistics ---
1147208345 M * hillct 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, +6 errors, 100% packet loss, time 6998ms
1147208345 M * hillct , pipe 4
1147208438 M * Bertl try ping -I 66.195.193.146 66.195.193.145
1147208556 J * mnemoc ~amery@216.241.24.10
1147208565 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ping -I 66.195.193.146 66.195.193.145
1147208565 M * hillct PING 66.195.193.145 (66.195.193.145) from 66.195.193.146 : 56(84) bytes of data.
1147208565 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=0 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208565 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208565 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
1147208567 M * hillct --- 66.195.193.145 ping statistics ---
1147208567 M * hillct 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4031ms
1147208569 M * hillct , pipe 4
1147208569 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]#                        
1147208595 M * hillct Same result with ping -r -I eth1 66.195.193.145 
1147208851 M * Bertl #
1147208853 M * Bertl 32764:  from 55.195.193.144/28 lookup 10
1147208863 M * Bertl you probably meant 66.195 there?
1147208886 M * Bertl (in ip rules ls)
1147209057 M * hillct did I really make that mistake
1147209059 M * hillct ?
1147209061 M * hillct checking
1147209175 M * hillct aha
1147209177 M * hillct ip rule add from 66.195.193.144/28 lookup 10
1147209177 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ping -I 66.195.193.146 66.195.193.145
1147209183 M * hillct same error
1147209190 M * hillct network unreachable
1147209207 M * hillct well, host unreachable
1147209281 M * Bertl you said something about vlan previously?
1147209290 M * Bertl eth1 is not a vlan, you know that?
1147209302 M * hillct it is on a vlan
1147209308 M * hillct eth0 is not
1147209342 M * Bertl on a vlan means, your switch uses a tagged port?
1147209349 M * hillct yes
1147209366 M * hillct I'm presuming the network guys properly configured their switch
1147209387 M * Bertl well, the _direct_ ping to the gateway should work then
1147209394 M * hillct yeah
1147209406 M * Bertl let's try it again and look at a tcpdump -vvnei eth1 icmp
1147209431 M * Bertl best try with ping -c 1  -I 66.195.193.146 66.195.193.145
1147209595 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ping -c 1 -I 66.195.193.146 66.195.193.145
1147209595 M * hillct PING 66.195.193.145 (66.195.193.145) from 66.195.193.146 : 56(84) bytes of data.
1147209595 M * hillct From 66.195.193.146 icmp_seq=0 Destination Host Unreachable
1147209595 M * hillct --- 66.195.193.145 ping statistics ---
1147209595 M * hillct 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +1 errors, 100% packet loss, time 0ms
1147209596 M * hillct , pipe 2
1147209622 M * hillct absolutely nothing from tcpdump
1147209733 M * Bertl very strange ...
1147209775 M * Bertl what does 'ip addr ls' show btw?
1147209993 M * hillct http://pastebin.com/708303
1147210093 M * zeng must leave now... have a nice night? day? :)
1147210111 M * hillct bye zeng
1147210115 M * zeng see you all...
1147210118 M * Bertl zeng: yeah, you too!
1147210166 P * zeng Leaving
1147210348 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1147210350 M * michal` hey :)
1147210387 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147210398 M * Bertl hey michal`!
1147210413 M * michal` hi Bertl
1147210455 M * Bertl hillct: could you tcpdump the eth0 and see if the packet is transmitted there?
1147210610 M * hillct eth0 sees lots of traffic
1147210618 M * hillct this is a production server
1147210643 M * Bertl icmp traffic?
1147210649 M * hillct lets see if I can isolate the ping packet if it's there
1147210697 M * Bertl I'm more interested in the fact that they are sent there or not at all
1147210725 M * Bertl I assume that there _is_ an arp request on eth1, which is answered as unreachable
1147210795 M * Bertl hillct: if you remove all the special rules, you should be able to reach the other IP on the lan
1147210825 M * Bertl if that doesn't work, then there is no point in trying with default routes and multiple tables
1147210864 M * hillct hmm
1147210875 A * hillct reads that again
1147210891 M * Bertl let me simplify that:
1147210910 M * Bertl given that you have two different lans (networks) one on eth0 the other on eth1
1147210921 M * Bertl each one with an address on your host
1147210935 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D583C.dip.t-dialin.net
1147210943 M * Bertl then reaching _any_ ip within that network must work out of the box
1147210961 M * Bertl again, given that it exists and the connection is there
1147210961 Q * softi42 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1147210967 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D583C.dip.t-dialin.net
1147210980 M * hillct one sec
1147210982 M * hillct phone
1147211068 Q * ben_ Quit: 
1147211284 M * Radiance g'evening all 
1147211326 M * Radiance If the host is rebooted, should i let it bring up the interfaces with the ips which are used by the vps ?  Or does the vps bring it up by itself ?
1147211335 M * Bertl evening Radiance!
1147211350 M * Bertl Radiance: that really depends on your config
1147211351 M * Radiance hiya mate :)
1147211372 Q * nox Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1147211377 M * Bertl if the guest config has a 'dev' specified, then the guest start will assign the ip on startup and remove it on shutdown
1147211393 M * Bertl if you OTOH, use nodev, then you have to assign it yourself
1147211411 M * Radiance ahh ok , i do noticed when i shutdown a vps it tries to shutdown "eth0" but it says permission denied
1147211430 M * Bertl that's probably from _inside_ the guest
1147211449 M * Bertl you can safely remove the hardware and network related scripts inside a guest
1147211459 M * hillct Radiance: you want to disable the Network service within the guest
1147211460 M * Radiance cool hehe
1147211472 M * hillct er, what Bertl said
1147211495 M * hillct ok, back to the problem at hand
1147211503 A * hillct scrolls back a sec
1147211601 M * Radiance Bertl, the guest config has a dev specified called eth0 and the internet ip indeed, so i guess the host doesn't need to bring up that interface at all during reboot ? heh
1147211635 M * hillct Bertl: so at this point, since I can't ping the gateway address 145 on the vlan, we assume it's a router misconfiguration?
1147211639 M * Bertl Radiance: yep
1147211659 M * Bertl hillct: router issue or severely confused network stack
1147211672 M * Radiance ok thanks, it's looking promising, i used commercial solutions in the past heh
1147211676 M * Bertl hillct: I would try to remove the 'unused' rules and routes 
1147211699 M * Bertl Radiance: welcome in the free world then :)
1147211712 M * hillct the only one we identified as unused was thr 169 rule
1147211725 M * hillct and the 55.195 typo
1147211742 M * Radiance well been a long time oss personality, just for this type of thing it was mainly vmware hehe
1147211784 M * Bertl hillct: well, you can probably safely remove all the 66.195 rules/entries
1147211794 M * Bertl and start with an ifdown/up on eth1
1147212270 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1147212277 M * Bertl wb nox!
1147212448 M * hillct Bertl: ok, we're all cleaned up and back to the starting point
1147212470 M * Bertl okay, a simple ifconfig should make the router reachable
1147212563 M * hillct http://pastebin.com/708386
1147212564 M * Skram_[Sick] hey, Bertl 
1147212574 M * hillct ^^ where we're at
1147212577 M * Skram_[Sick] does VServer support "vlan"?
1147212582 M * Bertl hey Skram still Sick?
1147212593 M * Skram_[Sick] I want to stick a hop between the HOST and the VPS
1147212596 N * Skram_[Sick] Skram
1147212604 M * Skram Im feeling much better, thanks so much for asking
1147212617 M * Bertl Skram_[Sick]: yes, it does, both the automatic creation and the pure handling
1147212627 M * Skram Bertl: automatic?
1147212628 M * Bertl Skram: good to hear ...
1147212638 M * Skram well how? i cant add a virtual interface.
1147212646 M * Bertl Skram: well, if you specify, for example, eth0.10 as device
1147212653 M * Skram okay
1147212655 M * Bertl then the vlan 10 is autocreated
1147212664 M * Skram so that wont affect any other vps than eth0:10, right?
1147212669 M * hillct ok, Bertl at this point I don't trust my own judgement in this area. What ifconfig command would you prefer?
1147212688 M * Bertl Skram: eth0:10 is an alias, where eth0.10 is a separate vlan
1147212700 M * Skram i dont want to make a vlan for a vserver
1147212707 M * Skram nevermind
1147212713 M * Skram how do i add an alias to a VLAN?
1147212801 M * Bertl hillct: try ifconfig eth1 66.195.193.146 netmask 255.255.255.240 
1147212821 M * Bertl Skram: the vlan already exists?
1147212837 M * Skram i dont think so
1147212850 M * Bertl then you want to create a vlan and an alias, yes?
1147212858 M * Skram i wanted to add another hop so if someone traceroutes to a vps they see our company name and the node the vps is on.
1147212876 M * Bertl ah, hmm, well, that's probably hard
1147212915 M * Bertl it would defeat the purpose why we avoid virtual networking at all
1147212934 M * Bertl (i.e. adding another hop on the way to the vps)
1147212950 M * Skram yeah
1147212955 M * Skram its a bad idea
1147212956 M * Skram nevermind.
1147212957 M * Skram :)
1147212961 M * Skram :P
1147212981 M * hillct company name in a traceroute
1147212991 M * Bertl Skram: nevertheless you might be able to trick certain tracers into believing that this setup is actually there ...
1147212992 M * hillct possibly the strangest advertising choice ever
1147212996 M * Skram well, we dont own the routers, so we cant put a PTR in there
1147212998 M * hillct :)
1147213003 M * Skram hillct: no no no.. just so people can see what node, etc.
1147213011 M * hillct yeah
1147213013 M * hillct I got it
1147213032 M * Skram Bertl: example?
1147213060 Q * toblerp Quit: bye
1147213078 M * Bertl well, for example with nat rewriting rules
1147213105 M * Bertl but those are more esoteric and will definitely cause a lot of unnecessary overhead
1147213110 Q * Smutje Remote host closed the connection
1147213114 M * Skram yeah
1147213116 M * Skram not wanted
1147213117 M * Skram hehe
1147213121 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-98-134.netcologne.de
1147213131 M * hillct wow
1147213138 M * hillct that was an unexpected result
1147213140 M * hillct so
1147213180 M * hillct now, with the setup using ifconfig, I ping 66.195.193.145 and get absolutely nothing
1147213182 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ping 44.195.193.145
1147213183 M * hillct PING 44.195.193.145 (44.195.193.145) 56(84) bytes of data.
1147213183 M * hillct --- 44.195.193.145 ping statistics ---
1147213183 M * hillct 205 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 205036ms
1147213183 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]#
1147213186 M * hillct literally
1147213189 M * hillct Nothing at all
1147213207 M * hillct but on the bright side, host is not unreachable
1147213218 M * hillct what the hell does this result mean?
1147213263 M * Bertl well, let's try the ping from above again, together with the tcpdump on eth1
1147213438 M * hillct nothing
1147213532 M * Bertl not a single packet?
1147213546 M * Bertl what does ifconfig show regarding sent/received packets?
1147213691 M * hillct           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
1147213691 M * hillct           TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
1147213691 M * hillct           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
1147213691 M * hillct           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:620 (620.0 b)
1147213716 M * Skram hercules home # vreboot 
1147213717 M * Skram hey test 1 2 3 4
1147213717 M * Skram hercules home # vreboot --help
1147213717 M * Skram hey test 1 2 3 4
1147213718 M * Skram lol
1147213722 M * Skram whats that, Bertl 
1147213737 M * Bertl Skram: no idea :)
1147213767 M * Skram Hmmmm Okay.
1147213768 M * Bertl hillct: so at least there were 8 transmitted packets, try with a more general tcpdump
1147213778 M * Bertl hillct: like tcpdump -vvnei eth1
1147213790 M * Bertl I assume nothing answered on that interface
1147213791 M * Skram Bertl: okay
1147213877 M * hillct ok
1147213904 M * hillct my bad. after the route cleanup and ifconfig setup, I typo'd the target address for the ping
1147213941 M * hillct when I ping 66.195.193.145 I now get responses
1147213974 M * hillct but still can't ping 66.195.193.146 from outside the subnet
1147213992 M * Bertl that's fine
1147214020 M * Bertl now let's add back the routing table 10
1147214070 M * Bertl but add the local network route there too
1147214074 M * Bertl i.e. something like
1147214105 M * Bertl ip route add 66.195.193.144/28 dev eth1 table 10
1147214120 M * Bertl p route add default via 66.195.193.145 table 10
1147214123 M * Bertl *ip
1147214128 M * Bertl (untested)
1147214182 M * Skram I cannot  reboot a VPS from inside. any ideas?
1147214183 M * Skram I am in the middle of making a user-control panel, however the "reboot" command should be able to function even inside a VPS.
1147214208 M * Bertl Skram: depending on your setup and config, reboot or reboot -f should work fine
1147214216 M * Skram its on gentoo.
1147214218 M * Skram eeks.
1147214244 M * Skram eeks.
1147214245 M * Bertl so probably reboot should work
1147214245 M * Skram woops
1147214250 M * Skram ill try again.
1147214292 M * Bertl hillct: after that verify that it 'still' works, and then add a rule to the table for ips in that network
1147214359 M * Skram Bertl: it goes down but never comes up
1147214362 M * Skram is there a "vserver" log?
1147214391 M * Bertl host is gentoo too?
1147214420 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ip route add 66.195.193.144/28 dev eth1 table 10
1147214421 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]# ip route add default via 66.195.193.145 table 10
1147214421 M * hillct RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable
1147214421 M * hillct [root@vmaster ~]#
1147214427 M * Skram Bertl: Yeapps
1147214484 M * hillct Bertl: ping 66.195.193.145 with no args still works though
1147214495 M * Bertl hillct: what was the one you used before (for the table 10)?
1147214510 M * Bertl Skram: you might want to update the tools and/or contact Hollow 
1147214515 M * hillct copied exactly from your above comments
1147214525 M * hillct um
1147214528 M * hillct checking
1147214565 M * Radiance not sure, but is it possible to bring up the lo interface in the guest ? thanks 
1147214573 M * Skram Bertl: ah, i will update and then check
1147214580 M * Bertl Radiance: it is already up, but not shown
1147214588 M * Bertl Radiance: that will change in the near future
1147214607 M * Radiance ahh ok, cause when i ping it i don't get a response
1147214619 M * hillct Bertl: from my original rule set:
1147214620 M * hillct ip route add 66.195.193.144/28 dev eth1 src 66.195.193.146 table 10
1147214620 M * hillct ip route add default via 66.195.193.145 table 10
1147214630 M * Radiance i need some services to bind to the lo interface that's why heh
1147214632 M * Bertl Radiance: whenever you ping _any_ local ip, the lo interface is used
1147214633 M * hillct ip rule add from 66.195.193.144/28 lookup 10
1147214815 M * Radiance kinda weird, localhost doesn't reply when i ping it. Also when i bind a service like squid to 127.0.0.1 it doesn't give errors, although netstat shows it's listening on the internet ip and not the 127.0.0.1. So i tried to telnet to it from the outside which gave no reply, i tried to telnet 127.0.0.1 4912 (default squid port) and no reply
1147214822 M * Radiance maybe i'm missing something here hehe
1147214865 M * Bertl 'localhost' in a guest (for now) is usually mapped to the first assigned ip
1147214904 M * Bertl if you want to contact services on 127.0.0.1, just use the first assigned ip, traffic will still be 'local'
1147214915 M * Skram where can I see the vs-kernel-patches change log?
1147214940 M * Bertl there are two wiki pages, but they desperately need updating
1147214949 M * Skram on the main site or what
1147215003 M * Bertl yep, sec
1147215007 M * hillct Radiance: another approach is to create a new interface for the guest with an ip and nodev
1147215028 M * Radiance BerI, true...i noticed that i can access squid remotely with telnet on the internet ip, but i only need it to be bound to 127.0.0.1:4912
1147215064 M * Radiance hillct, you mean like 2 interfaces right ? I'm not sure who told me, but 16 ips can be added ?
1147215082 M * Bertl Skram: http://linux-vserver.org/ChangeLog26, http://linux-vserver.org/ChangeLogDevel26, http://linux-vserver.org/ChangeLogExperimental and of course, the main release changes on 13thfloor
1147215128 M * Bertl Radiance: will be possible very soon, for now a solution with a private ip is probably preferable
1147215128 Q * ntrs_ Quit: Leaving
1147215138 M * hillct Radiance: I don't know what the limitations are but I use this technique to provide a localhost IP for each guest giving them IPs like 127.0.0.<cid>
1147215142 M * Bertl Radiance: i.e. the changes for that are in development
1147215198 M * Radiance BertI, yeah i guess that is also an option indeed
1147215213 M * Radiance hillct, what are the downsides of using that technique btw ?
1147215276 M * hillct I havn't encountered any
1147215302 M * dearaujo ok guys, Im lost.  I trying to create a debian guest on sles9.  I see that vserver sets up the some of the directories in my /vservers partition but it doesn seems that
1147215303 M * hillct except that one guest can access another guest's localhost IP
1147215310 M * hillct if that matters
1147215316 M * hillct it doesn't in my case
1147215328 M * dearaujo sorry i pushed enter too soon - plz disregard
1147215348 M * hillct that could probably be dealt with by some creative iptables rules
1147215352 M * Bertl possible downsides are the special handling of loopback adresses
1147215373 M * Radiance hillct, ah that does matter with having multiple vps on the box hehe So i guess it's best to do it like BertI said ? 
1147215396 M * hillct I've never tried that method
1147215408 M * Skram whats the difference between vserver-utils and utils-vserver?
1147215410 M * hillct Bertl: is da'Man though
1147215415 M * hillct he'd know best
1147215428 M * Radiance :-) thanks i appreciate all the input
1147215478 M * Bertl Skram: vserver-utils are Hollow's tools, util-vserver are Enrico's (current) tools, and utils-vserver do not exist as far as I know ..
1147215503 M * Skram yeah i meant util-vserver
1147215516 M * Skram so would vserver-utils overwrite Enrico
1147215519 M * Skram +'s?
1147215522 M * Skram Who is Enrico?
1147215556 M * Bertl Enrico is ensc, the guy who took over from Jacques :)
1147215564 M * Skram okay
1147215570 M * Bertl he is doing the utils most folks use today
1147215572 M * Skram where can I chat with him?
1147215586 M * Bertl Hollow has started a rewrite with a slightly different approach
1147215595 M * Bertl Skram: you can best reach him via the ML
1147215600 M * Bertl (Mailing List)
1147215624 M * dearaujo ok guys, Im lost.  I trying to create a debian guest on sles9.  I see that vserver sets up the some of the directories in my /vservers partition but it doesnt seem like the actual distro was installed.  All I get is that sles9 put debootstrap in the host's /var/tmp directory...
1147215656 M * dearaujo is there another step or should there have been an actual sarge install?
1147215698 M * Bertl the line you use?
1147215709 M * Bertl and is /var/tmp executable?
1147215715 M * dearaujo vserver foo1 build -m debootstrap --netdev eth0  --interface 192.168.3.1/21 --context 42 -- -d sarge -m ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian -- -arch powerpc
1147215748 M * dearaujo no /var/tmp is not executable
1147215755 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl
1147215792 M * dearaujo output of build is Could not find local version of 'debootstrap'; downloading it from
1147215792 M * dearaujo http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3_all.deb...
1147215792 M * dearaujo 17:58:40 URL:http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3_all.deb [44962/44962] -> "/var/tmp/debootstrap.y21618/debootstrap.deb" [1]
1147215868 M * Radiance BertI, just to be sure, the method of using a private ip on a second interface...this interface i need to configure in the vserver config at host level ? Since i can't simply do something like ifconfig eth0:0 up ...
1147215906 M * dearaujo sorry /var/tmp is executable
1147215925 M * Bertl Radiance: what about dummy device for example?
1147215975 M * Radiance hmm yeah that should do i guess. It's true that virtual interfaces cannot exist in the guest right ?
1147215975 M * Bertl dearaujo: is that really -arch? (better ask somebody knowledgeable with debian)
1147215999 M * Bertl Radiance: there are no virtual interfaces ;)
1147216011 M * dearaujo yes - doener_ suggested that I use it since ppc64 isn't vaild
1147216019 M * Radiance ok :-)
1147216039 M * doener_ --arch actually
1147216061 M * Bertl that's what I meant :)
1147216127 M * dearaujo well funny you mention that because that was the problem.  Was using - instead of --
1147216198 M * dearaujo wow, I'm a fool twice today.  Anyway, thanks guys.  I'm very appreciative of your help.
1147216228 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1147216291 M * dearaujo and if you need some ppc64 testing, i'd be happy to help (as long as I have the machine)
1147216316 M * dearaujo good night!
1147216318 P * dearaujo 
1147216336 M * Bertl guess we will come back to that :)
1147218234 M * Radiance i don't understand this, i created a second interface (1)  in /etc/vserver/<vserver-name>/interfaces/ (dev/ip/prefix) but i don't see it appear in the guest ? 
1147218270 M * Bertl check with 'ip addr ls'
1147218299 M * derjohn friends may also write 'ip addr' only :)
1147218342 M * Radiance ah ok i see it now
1147218367 M * Radiance BertI, now i should be able to bind squid to the new ip right ? (192.168 range)
1147218398 M * Radiance well, to the second ip on the interface eth0
1147218440 M * Bertl yes, you can probably bind it to any ip :)
1147218457 M * Bertl (any ip assigned to the guest, that is)
1147218480 M * Radiance ok cool, as long as it can't be reached remotely then it's fine hehe
1147218586 M * Radiance it's nice that with the firewall on the host things can also be controlled btw
1147218595 M * derjohn Radiance, the 192-range is unlikely to be routed, but it's better to filter on the host
1147218604 M * Radiance indeed hehe
1147218755 M * doener_ derjohn: ip a ;)
1147218790 M * derjohn doener_, well, for very close friends: yes ;)
1147218816 M * derjohn doener_, tomorrow i will setup the host for the benchmark
1147218869 M * Radiance but vps to vps communication is not possible ? (locally) Some one mentioned "nodev" , this means the host is taking care of network devices ?
1147218916 M * derjohn Radiance, nodev only means that vserver xx start brings up the ip by itself
1147218948 M * Bertl s/brings/does not bring/
1147218952 M * Radiance ok :)
1147218964 M * derjohn Radiance, and: it brings _down_ the ip, too .... with a little luck you may bring your host down at all (alias promotion)
1147218984 M * derjohn errr ... default is "no alias promotion"
1147218990 M * derjohn that may be a problem
1147219064 M * derjohn Radiance, the other guests should be pingable
1147219071 M * Bertl nodev means: do not create or remove anything (just to clarify)
1147219087 M * Radiance i read the vserver also define a certain rlimit and can not increase it, so if some one on a vps try to do something like fork bomb or similar this will not create problems on the host ?
1147219102 M * Bertl yep
1147219114 M * Radiance ok cool heh
1147219122 M * Bertl btw, to answer you original question, inter vps communication is normally allowed
1147219151 M * Radiance hmm like private ip to private ip on a different vps ?
1147219162 M * Bertl it work via the 'public' ips (as if the servers were remote) but happens on the loopback (like lo)
1147219190 M * Bertl i.e. packets do not leave the host
1147219191 M * Radiance so only with internet ips...