1147046449 Q * FireEgl Quit: 1147047082 M * Radiance guys, only 1 ip can be assigned to the vp currently? 1147047227 M * daniel_hozac no, up to 16 IP addresses can be assigned to a guest. 1147047236 M * daniel_hozac the limit can be increased by patching the kernel and utils. 1147048767 M * Radiance ah thanks bud 1147050642 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-40-231.dsl.telesp.net.br 1147052645 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.Com 1147054466 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1147054479 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax7-183.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1147054823 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147056398 M * Skram_[Sick] hi all 1147056680 M * Skram_[Sick] hey all 1147056703 M * Skram_[Sick] the vserver-copy bin, can i use it to just rsync vpses, to a mounted ftp drive? 1147061673 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147062687 Q * f_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147063454 Q * mkhl Quit: 1147063527 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A0518A.dip.t-dialin.net 1147063534 M * _coocoon_ morning 1147065220 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147065985 J * Guest40248 Archer@201.250.42.11 1147066011 M * Guest40248 . 1147066086 M * Guest40248 LOLI HAET PIZZA 1147066089 P * Guest40248 1147067059 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147067418 M * Skram_[Sick] ? 1147067443 M * hillct who was it that suggested that my Colo sucked? 1147067451 M * hillct you were right 1147067519 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147067906 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147068236 Q * Snow-Man Remote host closed the connection 1147068294 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147068573 M * Skram_[Sick] hillct: all of is. 1147068576 M * Skram_[Sick] *all of us 1147068584 M * hillct heh 1147068600 M * Skram_[Sick] going to change or what? 1147068617 M * hillct well, their 5 minute planned network maintainance has streached into two hours 1147068621 M * hillct I duno 1147068628 M * Skram_[Sick] *had? 1147068645 M * hillct has 1147068659 M * hillct continues 1147068680 M * Skram_[Sick] ok 1147068690 M * hillct ooh 1147068694 M * hillct may be up again 1147068716 M * Skram_[Sick] :) 1147069335 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147069656 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147071173 P * Aiken_ Leaving 1147072198 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147072501 J * Hmmmm ~Hmmmm@221.135.51.19 1147072942 Q * Hmmmm Quit: Ex-Chat 1147073015 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147073031 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1147074316 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it 1147074491 M * pagano hi 1147074558 M * daniel_hozac hello 1147074622 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147074686 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147074989 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio163.ipsi.fraunhofer.de 1147075148 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-136-93.kielnet.net 1147075340 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54977047.dip.t-dialin.net 1147075705 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org 1147075754 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147076511 M * pagano hi 1147076515 M * pagano just a question 1147076524 M * pagano when I try to stop a vm 1147076547 M * pagano it stop in this step: 1147076548 M * pagano [root@vm1 ~]# vserver vm3 stop 1147076548 M * pagano Stopping named: 1147076548 M * pagano Shutting down loopback interface: 1147076591 M * daniel_hozac you should remove that script from your runlevels. 1147076646 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-215-157.pools.arcor-ip.net 1147077555 M * pagano so, now I have removed K90network from my vm 1147077571 M * pagano but now I receive some new errors: 1147077583 M * pagano Turning off swap: Not superuser. 1147077591 M * pagano umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount 1147077738 M * pagano it says me that can't locate umount 1147077767 M * pagano but umount binary is inside vm 1147077826 M * pagano and if I try to start umount manually : 1147077826 M * pagano root@vm3 /]# umount /tmp/ 1147077826 M * pagano umount: none: not found 1147077826 M * pagano umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount 1147077826 M * pagano umount: none: not found 1147077826 M * pagano umount: /tmp: must be superuser to umount 1147077843 M * pagano -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 47440 Oct 11 2005 /bin/umount 1147077890 M * daniel_hozac you're not supposed to run that script either. 1147077933 M * pagano ok... 1147077996 M * pagano but stop output is very verbose 1147078016 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147078270 M * pagano http://pastebin.com/704913 1147078279 M * pagano if u have a minute :) 1147078395 M * daniel_hozac rm -f /etc/rc[06].d/S01{reboot,halt} 1147078575 M * daniel_hozac (inside the guest, of course) 1147078638 M * pagano ok thanks :) done 1147078686 N * otaku42_away otaku42 1147078925 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147079090 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-2.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147079467 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147079696 J * ometra ~ometra@mc-media.com 1147080190 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.01, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0, exp 2.{0.2,1.1}-rc19 | util-vserver-0.30.210 | libvserver-1.0.2 & vserver-utils-1.0.3 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1147080190 T * Bertl - 1147080235 J * trasher daniel@217.160.128.201 1147080247 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it 1147080247 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1147080247 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D54F3.dip.t-dialin.net 1147080247 J * hillct ~H@client200-5.dsl.intrex.net 1147080247 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw 1147080247 J * brc_ bruce@20151219039.user.veloxzone.com.br 1147080247 J * bubulak ~bubulak@cicka.wnet.sk 1147080247 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1147080247 J * dev ~dev@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1147080248 Q * pagano Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080248 Q * ||Cobra|| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080248 Q * brc_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080250 J * bubulak_ ~bubulak@cicka.wnet.sk 1147080253 Q * wenchien Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080253 Q * bubulak Read error: Connection reset by peer 1147080268 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080271 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw 1147080273 Q * hillct Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147080279 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D54F3.dip.t-dialin.net 1147080284 J * brc_ bruce@20151219039.user.veloxzone.com.br 1147080289 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1147080324 J * h01ger ~holger@socket.layer-acht.org 1147080356 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1147080475 J * alamar ~alamar@sol.diddens.de 1147080476 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info 1147080583 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1147080591 J * lonewolf1 lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info 1147080639 P * lonewolf1 1147080817 Q * dna Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147081405 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio163.ipsi.fraunhofer.de 1147081445 J * dna ~naucki@dialer-144-47.kielnet.net 1147081632 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147081994 J * metze ~savirc@xdsl-195-14-206-26.netcologne.de 1147082236 J * sebd ~seb@portvieux.ldd.fr 1147082331 M * sebd hello, I am stuck in a debian sarge vserver with dpkg saying "failed to rmdir/unlink `//usr/lib/pt_chown.dpkg-tmp': Operation not permitted" 1147082377 M * sebd I used to get these errors from time to time, just relaunching the same command used to sort things up. 1147082426 M * sebd But today I ran the "dpkg" command 10 times, and 10 times I got the same error. 1147082612 M * sebd I came here to report this same bug last year, see http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-03/LOG_2005-03-19.txt 1147082648 M * sebd At least I could get over it (by trying a second time). But now I'm stuck. 1147082675 M * sebd my kernel version : 2.6.16.8-vs2.0.2-rc17 1147083063 M * sebd VCIVersion: 0002:0001 / VCISyscall: 273 / VCIKernel: 03000016 1147083662 M * derjohn sebd, you run 2.6.16 on sarge host? 1147083714 M * derjohn sebd, I assume you already ran testme.sh? no errors? (in etch/sid' util-vserver there is the testme script in /usr/share/doc/util-vserver/examples ) 1147083829 M * sebd Yes, sarge host 1147083873 M * sebd Not run testme yet, I'll do it now 1147084113 M * sebd testme.sh reports all succeeded. 1147084170 M * sebd I'll run an strace on the failing command: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb 1147084694 M * pagano_ guys. I would clone a vm, I do "cp -a of file and conf files" after change ip,name but when I try to start the new manchien I receive "vserver XXX already running" 1147084727 M * pagano_ I think that it try the same context number 1147084751 M * pagano_ so, probably I must change other files... 1147084854 M * sebd pagano_: what does the vserver-stat command says ? 1147084903 M * sebd derjohn: I've put the strace there for you to see : http://www.ldd.fr/vserver/ 1147084926 M * pagano_ [root@vm1 ~]# vserver-stat 1147084926 M * pagano_ CTX PROC VSZ RSS userTIME sysTIME UPTIME NAME 1147084926 M * pagano_ 0 92 137.9M 45.5M 6m35s14 5m04s00 3d01h47 root server 1147084926 M * pagano_ 49164 2 7M 1.7M 0m00s22 0m00s00 9m43s70 1147084980 M * pagano_ if I change "run" file by hand and insert a new number 1147084988 M * pagano_ I can start the new vm 1147085016 M * pagano_ but but its name isn't showed in vserver-stat 1147085614 A * phreak`` looks at derjohn 1147085845 J * kilgur user@p50811B8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1147085889 A * Hollow looks at phedny 1147085890 M * Hollow arg 1147085894 M * Hollow phreak`` of course 1147085895 M * Hollow :P 1147085912 M * phreak`` Hollow: :P 1147085918 M * phreak`` morning old slacker ;) 1147085922 M * Hollow where are your blog entries? ;) 1147085941 M * Hollow ah 1147085944 M * Hollow you just posted them 1147086217 M * derjohn phreak``, Hollow: hi :)= 1147086237 M * derjohn phreak``, want to join #vserver-linuxtag? 1147086908 J * ray6 ~ray@vh5.gcsc2.ray.net 1147086910 J * samuel_ ~samuel@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA 1147086933 A * samuel_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] 1147086982 J * chelli ~thomas@PC1.ideolabs.TGZ-Ilmenau.de 1147087096 Q * bubulak_ oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net 1147087096 Q * dev oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net 1147087096 Q * kir oxygen.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net 1147087110 M * BenBen heyho 1147087282 J * bubulak ~bubulak@cicka.wnet.sk 1147087772 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1147087795 J * dev ~dev@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru 1147088599 M * phedny Hollow: I knew you'd like how I look :p 1147088620 M * derjohn sebd, hm, are you using chipcards/tokens? 1147089161 J * israel7 ~103730197@IGLD-80-230-61-174.inter.net.il 1147089162 M * israel7 site downloads new ---> http://israel.275mb.com/index3.php 1147089168 P * israel7 1147089194 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1147089273 Q * ometra Remote host closed the connection 1147089350 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1147089356 M * Bertl morning folks! 1147089360 M * _coocoon_ hello bertl 1147089371 M * Bertl had some troubles with the dialup yesterday ... fixed now 1147089436 Q * sannes Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. 1147089512 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo you should have stayed in germany :) 1147089581 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-215-157.pools.arcor-ip.net 1147089591 M * Bertl [PUPPETS]Gonzo: heh 1147090165 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection 1147090174 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1147090358 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl 1147090696 M * sebd derjohn: I'm not sure, what do you mean by "chipcards/tokens" ? I guess not, since I don't know what that is. 1147090760 M * derjohn sebd, is see "kinskim@...." in the trace and write(7, "muscleTool(1) and xcard(1) from "..., 8192) = 8192 .... I would assume some auth problem .... but thats justr a guess 1147090796 M * sebd mmm 1147090804 M * derjohn sebd, or is there a tool on the host that may lock the file sometimes? famd? backup? or so ... 1147090816 M * harry lsof!!!!!!!!!!!! 1147090853 M * derjohn sebd, to harry's words listen you should .... 1147090882 M * sebd derjohn: on the root host or the vserver ? 1147090898 M * derjohn sebd, both? actually you know the file in question 1147090919 M * sebd well, that file does not exists before nor after the command 1147090952 P * thorkild 1147090993 M * derjohn sebd, which filesystem? 1147091019 M * sebd ext3 1147091077 M * harry derjohn: wordS ? ;) 1147091089 M * derjohn sebd, unification or some other strange things with the filesystem? 1147091091 M * derjohn hello, I am stuck in a debian sarge vserver with dpkg saying "failed to rmdir/unlink `//usr/lib/pt_chown.dpkg-tmp': Operation not permitted" 1147091105 M * derjohn harry, "list short open fileS" :) 1147091116 M * harry damn ;) 1147091132 M * Bertl hmm, wasn't that some debootstrap issue? 1147091146 M * harry derjohn: short? 1147091154 M * harry i thought it was just: list open files 1147091163 M * derjohn harry, hm, alias llof=lsof :) 1147091173 M * derjohn harry, ls = ? 1147091179 M * harry i don't know llof :) 1147091182 M * harry ls is list 1147091190 M * harry ls - list directory contents 1147091196 M * derjohn harry, imo is an abbrev. of "list short" 1147091200 M * harry lsof - list open files 1147091206 M * derjohn harry, ls -l is "list short -long ;))" 1147091212 M * harry hehe 1147091216 M * harry ls is: list 1147091220 M * harry ls -l list long 1147091241 M * sebd Bert1 and others, if you're interested in my dpkg-on-vserver problem, details are at : http://www.ldd.fr/vserver/ 1147091262 M * sebd s/Bert1/Bertl/ sorry 1147091284 M * derjohn harry, maybe they changed that ... but historycally I am right I think (ll make sense in that context) 1147091313 M * Bertl sebd: ah, good idea 1147091402 M * Bertl sebd: google gave me: http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-05/LOG_2005-05-03.txt 1147091417 M * Bertl (start at 1115138280) 1147091449 M * harry derjohn: ll is a alias for ls -l ;) 1147091459 M * harry : 14:30 lois ~ ;alias ll 1147091459 M * harry alias ll='ls -l --color=tty' 1147091465 M * Bertl sebd: check for old debian tools and issues with the barrier 1147091492 M * harry derjohn: but i think we can both agree on the fact that noone actually cares about what exactly it means/meant ;) 1147091501 M * Bertl especially check that you do not have a barrier on / 1147091530 M * sebd ok 1147091559 M * derjohn harry, An ls utility first appeared in Version 5 AT&T UNIX. Its name derives from a similar command in Multics which meant "list segments" 1147091566 M * derjohn harry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls 1147091573 M * harry haha... kewl :) 1147091604 M * derjohn harry, hehe : http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Ls 1147091622 M * derjohn harry, you are right ... 1147091629 M * harry haahaaaaaaaaaaa 1147091630 M * harry i rule! ;) 1147091639 M * derjohn harry, it was "short for list" and not "list short" 1147091644 A * harry does a little dance of joy ;) 1147091666 A * derjohn will try to find counter documents if there is time :) 1147091711 M * harry http://www.bsdhosting.net/support.php?doc_action=show_article&title_id=61 1147091715 M * harry there you go... one for you :) 1147091769 M * derjohn harry, it's like playing tennis on atari 2600 or earlier consoles .... 1147091796 M * harry :) 1147091885 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU 1147091897 M * mef hello 1147091901 M * mef how did linux tag go? 1147091916 M * Bertl hey mef! 1147091922 J * harti ~hw@83-215-237-5.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147091928 M * Bertl mef: very well I'd say ... 1147091947 M * mef what was the highlight of your presentation / booth? 1147091956 M * Bertl we had a lot of fun there and it seems the visiting folks did enjoy it too 1147091981 M * mef what was it that folks visiting the booth walked away with knowing? 1147091989 M * Bertl mef: we had a balanced active-active failover, a web interface and last but not least a multi-seat-desktop 1147092068 M * mef what do you mean by multi-seat-desktop? 1147092080 M * mef One where you can run different os distributions in different vservers? 1147092088 M * mef And switch between the different environments? 1147092190 M * mef bertl: on to my neext question, did you get a chance to read the paper? 1147092286 M * derjohn mef, zeng build a host with n* graphics board, n*keyboard etc and he ran "n seats" 1147092305 M * Bertl mef: I'm terribly sorry that I have to answer that question once again with 'not yet' 1147092320 M * Bertl mef: but, we have some folks who are reading and checking it right now 1147092321 M * derjohn so: one machine, three guests, three times xorg 1147092347 M * derjohn mef, I downloaded it, too and will read this evening 1147092373 M * Bertl mef: one thing which was already mentioned was the misspelled name 'Linux-VServer' note the upper/lower case and dash 1147092385 M * Bertl (i.e. that's the correct spelling) 1147092398 Q * metze Quit: savIRC - The Cross-Platform IRC Client 1147092399 M * derjohn mef, on thing catched my attention already: please write "Linux-VServer", not "linux VServers" 1147092414 M * derjohn mef, Bertl was faster ;) 1147092492 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo Linux-VServer? I thought, we have RealOpenVZ here? 1147092502 M * mef I am happy to change it from Linux VServer to Linux-Vserver. 1147092514 M * mef s/Linux-Vserver/Linux-VServer 1147092548 M * mef For me, the main sections that require work are 3.2 and 3.3. 1147092560 M * mef It would be great to rewrite those. 1147092572 M * mef Not sure how to divy up that job with you guys. 1147092601 M * mef I am also curious what you guys think of section 2 --- the case for systems like vserver. 1147092623 M * mef Is it ok to shorten in the text Linux-VServer to just VServer? 1147092664 J * schoeppchen ~oliver.ne@pd95b184a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1147092688 M * schoeppchen hi all 1147092758 M * Bertl welcome schoeppchen! 1147092775 M * schoeppchen hi 1147092776 M * Bertl mef: well, if you must :) 1147092798 M * Bertl mef: thing is, both VServer and LVS are not very good to identify this particular project 1147092812 M * schoeppchen just visited the linuxtag in wiesbaden and I can remember the guys there mentioning your name quite often 1147092826 M * schoeppchen you are the main godlike programmer of the programm, right? 1147092831 M * schoeppchen :) 1147092832 M * harry hehe 1147092833 M * Bertl mef: but you can for example start naming it L-VS at some point 1147092851 M * mef bertl: L-VS is nice and short. 1147092853 M * Bertl schoeppchen: no, that's wrong :) 1147092874 M * harry mef: if you want to change it to something more... cool-sounding, call it: harry-rules 1147092880 M * harry everyone will say it's true ): 1147092881 M * harry :p 1147092885 M * Bertl schoeppchen: I'm the project maintainer and main kernel hacker, the userspace is done by other folks ... 1147092912 M * harry we're all just rats, feasting from Bertl's code!!!!!! moehaha! 1147092925 M * schoeppchen ;) 1147092934 M * schoeppchen that's what I heared 1147092937 M * schoeppchen heard 1147092942 M * schoeppchen :) 1147092963 M * mef harry: I'll consider it. (deposit sizeable amount of $$$$ to UBS account# 73917-89893-8741) 1147092979 M * schoeppchen @bertl: well, they said you could answer me a question 1147092991 M * Bertl schoeppchen: maybe, let's hear ... 1147093030 M * harry ow Bertl , this reminds me... have you read the conversation i had with the developers of grsec, about that allignment of ELF_ET_DYN_BASE 1147093069 M * harry mef: naaaah... just call it: Bertl's piece of art 1147093075 M * harry that'll do nicely : 1147093076 M * harry :) 1147093092 M * harry hmm... s/developers of grsec/pipacs/ ;) 1147093094 M * schoeppchen @bertl: At the linuxtag some of you guys tried to show me how to limit a "virtual domain" in memory size using RSS(???) 1147093119 M * schoeppchen but this did not really work 1147093150 M * schoeppchen so my question is simply: is it possible to limit the memory a virtual instance may consum and what happens when the domain reaches that memory level? 1147093209 M * Bertl schoeppchen: that really depends on _what_ you mean with memory and what you actually limit 1147093221 M * Bertl let me see if I find the relevant page on the wiki 1147093223 M * schoeppchen bertl: lets consider the fowllowing 1147093235 M * schoeppchen I have a machine with 1GB of memory 1147093253 M * schoeppchen I want to have a virtual running linux on that machine 1147093264 M * schoeppchen but this instance should only use up to 256M of memory 1147093280 M * Bertl what memory? virtual? RSS? 1147093288 M * schoeppchen Real Memory 1147093290 M * schoeppchen DIMM 1147093293 M * schoeppchen SIM 1147093298 M * schoeppchen whatever 1147093301 M * Bertl that's not possible to control 1147093313 M * Bertl because Linux-VServer is about sharing resources 1147093338 M * Bertl so it would add large overhead to calculate the used real memory which would not add any benefit 1147093365 M * Bertl basically you can limit the number of pages in RAM for example 1147093369 M * schoeppchen Ok, so let's say the server has 10 instances for 10 customers running 1147093386 M * Bertl that's not much different from the RAM used, but it's not identical either 1147093390 M * schoeppchen one customer has a php script that consumes all the servers memory 1147093409 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Resource+Limits 1147093414 M * schoeppchen so 9 angry customers will call and yell at me 1147093424 M * harry hahaa... PwNeD!!!!! 1147093435 M * Bertl schoeppchen: basically you want to apply a limit to VM and another one (usually hard and soft) to RSS 1147093457 M * schoeppchen so it is possible or not? 1147093462 M * harry Bertl: actually, if i don't add any specific limits, are there default limits then? 1147093476 M * Bertl schoeppchen: to apply limits to VM and RSS? yes! 1147093484 M * harry or can i malloc the server to oblivion ? 1147093497 M * schoeppchen thats also my question 1147093529 M * Bertl I have to take a step back here and give a short idea what memory in linux means 1147093545 M * Bertl consider an application doing malloc() for 2GB 1147093561 M * Bertl what do you think, how much ram will that use? 1147093569 M * harry malloc? 4 bytes 1147093577 M * harry plus some overhead 1147093581 M * Bertl and more improtant what will happen on a 1GB machine? 1147093597 M * schoeppchen it will fail? 1147093609 M * harry Bertl: as long as it's not accessed, it will just allocate nothing... give you an address for free space (lazy allocation) 1147093610 M * Bertl harry: well, it's a little more than 4bytes, but you are on the right track, and no, it will not fail 1147093612 M * harry schoeppchen: nope 1147093624 M * schoeppchen hmmm 1147093626 M * schoeppchen ok 1147093627 M * Bertl so, no RAM is consumed for that 1147093635 M * Bertl (or just very little) 1147093637 M * harry Bertl: calloc (2<<30) will fail afaik 1147093650 M * Bertl now the thing is completely different once the app 1147093656 M * harry unless there is enough paging off course 1147093665 M * Bertl schoeppchen: tries to write to this memory 1147093685 M * Bertl it will start getting real pages (RSS) in RAM 1147093714 M * Bertl and each access to a yet unused page will give a page fault, installing the new required page 1147093745 M * Bertl the limits VM/AS and RSS I was talking about can control that 1147093753 M * schoeppchen So how does Xen do this and where is the problem doing this in Linux VServer? 1147093781 M * Bertl Xen does not do this at all, it reserves a block of memory and lets the guest kernel (which we do not have) handle that 1147093803 M * harry Bertl: small q: if i char *bleh = malloc (2<<20) (2 MB), and then bleh[0]="A"; ? that will allocate 2MB, won't it? 1147093828 M * mef bertl: sounds like schoeppchen just wants a hard memory limit. 1147093841 M * harry mef: in that case: RSS limit 1147093853 M * harry per vhost 1147093863 M * mef yup 1147093869 M * mef just run with that... 1147093877 M * Bertl yes, but he might also want a limit to VM 1147093900 M * Bertl so that the application is not killed by the OOM killer but receives an ENOMEM earlier 1147093914 M * Bertl he also might want to turn of overcommitment 1147093928 M * schoeppchen so, here is what Xen does (at least I think it does it that way): Xen reserves an amount of mem for the host, leaving the other memory for free consumption for all hosts 1147093945 M * schoeppchen s/all hosts/all virtual guests/ 1147093952 M * Bertl yep 1147093981 M * schoeppchen i can start a domain and give that domain xxM of memory 1147093990 M * Bertl but the guests run their own kernels, which are not able to share anything with others 1147094011 M * schoeppchen the virtual domain only "sees" that amoutn of memory, if it is exhausted, it will kill processes or swap if swap is available in the guest 1147094031 M * schoeppchen ah, ok .. so that is the main difference 1147094033 M * Bertl schoeppchen: well, it will do whatever linux with that amount of memory does 1147094041 M * schoeppchen kk 1147094048 M * Bertl i.e. it depends on the kernel config 1147094070 M * Bertl if you enable overcommitment, then the OOM-killer will hit you 1147094071 M * schoeppchen so in my case I would rather prefer running Xen and VServer parallely instead of replacing one with the other 1147094100 M * Bertl might be, depends on your requirements, both work together quite fine 1147094138 M * schoeppchen as said, one of my main requirements is what you call a "hard memory limit" 1147094159 M * Bertl if you want to put, let's say 80 guests on a dual CPU machine, I doubt you will do that with Xen 1147094194 M * Bertl if you want to have two completely independant guest kernels, Xen is the way to go 1147094213 M * schoeppchen @bertl: RAM is cheap ... but not *that* cheap: so I would say - yes, you are right! ;) 1147094225 A * harry heared a lot of shitty things in xen... 1147094238 M * harry might be better to use vmware server then :) 1147094249 M * tokkee harry: What did you hear? 1147094262 M * Bertl schoeppchen: my suggestion would be to play around with the various limits, also disabling overcommitment on the host kernel 1147094294 M * Bertl schoeppchen: I'm pretty sure you will find a setup which does what you want, although in a different way than you might expect it 1147094297 M * schoeppchen ok, will try that in my (hard limited) spare time ... 1147094325 M * harry andrewg at pulltheplug tried it (played around with it) on some machines 1147094337 M * harry lot of problems with the kernel patches 1147094364 M * tokkee During compilation or when running the kernel? 1147094451 M * Bertl schoeppchen: okay, check the url I pasted above (Resource Limits) for details how to set/calculate that 1147094554 M * schoeppchen ok, cool ... that bertl 1147094700 A * harry gotta run 1147094808 M * tokkee Do you think running a vserver in a xen in a qemu in a vmware on windows is gonna work? 1147094813 A * tokkee is bored... 1147094824 M * tokkee ;-) 1147094831 M * trash how will you run xen in qemu? 1147094860 M * tokkee I was just kiddin' ;-) 1147094866 J * sam__ ~sam@Quebec-HSE-ppp242189.qc.sympatico.ca 1147094872 M * trash I know, but that seems the thing that will fail :) 1147094880 M * tokkee trash: Don't you think that's gonna work? 1147094884 M * trash s/seems/seems to be/ 1147094925 M * Bertl welcome sam__! 1147094940 Q * schoeppchen Quit: 1147094943 M * sam__ hi bertl 1147094957 M * Bertl trash: why should xen fail in qemu? 1147095099 M * sam__ i'm giving a small talk (30mins) about vserver, do you have some suggestion or things that I should absolutly talk? 1147095188 M * _coocoon_ have another question today i tried to compile kernel 2.6.16.13 with patch-2.6.16.13-vs2.1.1-rc19.diff, everytime the reslut was 2.6.16.112.6.16.11-vs2.1.1-rc19, also after patching make menuconfig shows 1147095191 M * _coocoon_ 2.6.16.11 1147095216 M * _coocoon_ without patching, make menuconfig shows 2.6.16.13 vserion for the kernel 1147095234 M * _coocoon_ 2.6.16.11-vs2.1.1-rc19 1147095268 M * _coocoon_ was the reuslt sorry 1147095309 Q * pagano_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147095393 M * Bertl _coocoon_: hmm, looks like a good sign that one of my scripts messed up ... let me check that 1147095457 M * _coocoon_ ok 1147095594 Q * sam__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1147095640 M * Bertl _coocoon_: yep, something went wrong there, it says .11-vs2.1.1-rc19 1147095653 M * Bertl will fix that in-place in a minute 1147095659 M * _coocoon_ ok no problem 1147095797 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147095817 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147096303 J * robz ~s@202.57.141.2 1147096310 M * Bertl welcome robz! 1147096310 P * robz 1147096901 M * sebd Bertl: regarding my problem with dpkg, I did "setattr -R --~barrier" (took a long time) then "setattr --barrier" to /home/vservers (vdirbase is /var/lib/vservers, which is a symlink to /var/lib/vservers), but am still stuck with it. Same error as in http://www.ldd.fr/vserver/README. 1147096934 Q * wenchien Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147097165 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw 1147097227 M * Bertl micah: ping? 1147097245 M * Bertl sebd: and you tried updating the dpkg and/or the libc6 package? 1147097263 M * micah Bertl: pong 1147097274 M * Bertl micah: any ideas regarding: http://www.ldd.fr/vserver/README 1147097322 M * Bertl sebd: could you add a run of testme.sh to that dir please? 1147097335 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1147097363 M * micah Bertl: no, I had this problem myself inside a vserver guest when I tried to update packages some time ago 1147097414 M * sebd Bertl: I am trying to update the libc6 package. The other packages are up to date. 1147097459 M * sebd Bertl: http://www.ldd.fr/vserver/testme.sh.out 1147097460 M * micah Bertl: http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-03/LOG_2005-03-17.txt <--- where I had same error 1147097501 M * micah sebd: what does lsattr /path/to/vserver//usr/lib/pt_chown.dpkg-tmp show you? 1147097578 M * sebd micah: lsattr: No such file or directory while trying to stat /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown.dpkg-tmp 1147097581 P * matti 8-X 1147097597 M * sebd the file is temporary, and eventually removed by the command 1147097641 M * sebd /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown exists (old version of the file) : ----i------------ /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown 1147097647 M * micah sebd: same problem I had... 1147097660 M * micah it appears you have many things set immutable 1147097662 M * Bertl immutable? 1147097673 M * sebd yes, unification I guess 1147097679 M * sebd (no ?) 1147097685 M * Bertl hmm, could be 1147097689 M * Bertl try: 1147097694 M * Bertl ls -la /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown 1147097719 M * sebd -rwsr-xr-x 10 root root 5668 May 10 2005 /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown 1147097731 M * Bertl so yes, we have a bunch of links there 1147097753 M * Bertl guess you want/need CoW for that dpkg version? 1147097766 M * Bertl micah: could it be that this changed somehow? 1147097772 M * sebd What's that ? "Cow" ? 1147097779 M * Bertl Copy on Write 1147097785 M * sebd ah ok 1147097793 M * Bertl nah, it tries to remove stuff 1147097809 M * Bertl so that should be fine, it more looks like your files are not unified properly 1147097818 M * Bertl let's try the following: 1147097849 M * micah I wonder why this problem went away for me 1147097865 M * Bertl showattr /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown 1147097875 M * Bertl micah: maybe a tool update? 1147097890 M * Bertl (util-vserver that is) 1147097892 M * sebd ----UI- /home/vservers/rm//usr/lib/pt_chown 1147097903 M * Bertl that looks good either ... 1147097932 M * micah Bertl: yes, I think it went away after I fixed many things in the util-vserver package :) 1147097951 M * Bertl don't forget, it's sarge 204 there 1147097968 M * sebd I am running version 0.30.204-5sarge3 of util-vserver 1147097981 M * micah ah 1147097987 M * micah sebd: can you update to a newer version? 1147097994 M * sebd yes 1147097999 M * micah sebd: preferably the version from backports.org 1147098002 M * sebd ok 1147098008 M * micah sebd: do you know how to use backports.org? 1147098034 M * sebd I guess so, should be as easy as adding a line to my sources.lit 1147098036 M * sebd list 1147098037 M * micah sebd: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: 1147098037 M * micah deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main 1147098039 M * micah but... 1147098050 M * micah you also want to add this to /etc/apt/preferences: 1147098054 M * micah Package: * 1147098054 M * micah Pin: release a=sarge-backports 1147098054 M * micah Pin-Priority: 200 1147098063 M * micah otherwise you will upgrade many packages that you do not want to 1147098079 M * _coocoon_ micah: special question about syscp, why using two apaches 1147098081 M * micah then once those are added, do apt-get update; apt-get -t sarge-updates util-vserver 1147098093 M * _coocoon_ why not using the only one which is in the admin vserver 1147098119 M * micah _coocoon_: I wanted to keep the security holes away from the administrative context that may have sensitive infos 1147098132 M * _coocoon_ micah: sorry hello kicah 1147098137 M * micah _coocoon_: many sites with bad php means that the apache context is the most likely to be compromised 1147098159 M * micah _coocoon_: you can put them together if you want 1147098163 M * _coocoon_ micah. ok thats good, but i have problems to get it to wotrk with bot because of ports conflicts 1147098182 M * _coocoon_ -k +m 1147098231 M * sebd micah: done 1147098241 M * _coocoon_ micah. also if i am tryinfg it with ur solution how u have described it with eth0 127.0.0.4 ui n the admin vserver i have no connection 1147098258 M * sebd micah: should I run my unify script again ? 1147098271 M * sebd (it is run every nights) 1147098282 M * Bertl sebd: shouldn't hurt 1147098294 M * sebd for s in `ls -d /etc/vservers/*/apps/vunify/refserver*|cut -d / -f 4` 1147098294 M * sebd do (vserver $s status && vserver $s unify) >>/dev/null 1147098294 M * sebd done 1147098314 M * _coocoon_ now i have it got to work with 443 port on the admin apache and 80 port on apache vserver, but now i have probs to get them workj together 1147098357 M * micah _coocoon_: i used different IPs for each vserver 1147098367 M * _coocoon_ with ip nat 1147098371 M * _coocoon_ or with own ip 1147098378 M * micah _coocoon_: and have moved to 192.168 addresses instead of 127.0.0 addresses 1147098388 M * micah with individual static IPs 1147098389 M * sebd micah, Bertl, unification script was run. What is the next step ? 1147098419 Q * harti Quit: Leaving 1147098435 M * micah sebd: now we try and duplicate the problem? 1147098452 M * sebd the problem is still there, micah 1147098459 M * _coocoon_ micah: but i have only my host ip, have tried it with static ip on the admin vserver with nat this must work u said 1147098476 M * micah _coocoon_: I have never tried with NAT'd ips 1147098511 M * _coocoon_ micah: oh thanx so i must try it further 1147098515 M * micah sebd: did you update a different package? 1147098529 M * micah _coocoon_: sorry, everything is much easier with different static ips :) 1147098550 M * _coocoon_ yes i have seen, but my provider only gives me one ip 1147098566 M * sebd micah: well, I am keeping my servers up-to-date, yes 1147098603 M * sebd micah: should I unset the 'i' attr in the above file ? 1147098624 M * sebd mmm I knopw 1147098668 M * sebd I'll try that 1147098707 M * _coocoon_ micah: one more question about mounting the different folders into the special vservers, --> vnamespace -e mount --rbind /directory/to/mount/somewhere /where/to/mount/it 1147098709 M * sebd In case it disapears from the other vservers, I am keeping a copy of it 1147098720 M * Bertl sebd: if you unset that, you might mess up the other guests 1147098734 M * _coocoon_ micah: the vnamespace thing is the command right, or must i set another name in it 1147098737 M * Bertl sebd: but you can simply remove it and replace it with a copy 1147098756 J * doener ~doener@i5387E805.versanet.de 1147098761 M * Bertl welcome doener! 1147098787 M * _coocoon_ micah: because of the mounting thing doesn't work i can't see anything if the vservers are started 1147098792 M * doener hi folks 1147098829 J * MrWeb ~chatzilla@57.112.46.212.dsl.getacom.de 1147098837 M * doener hm, no .15 yet 1147098859 M * Bertl welcome MrWeb! 1147098872 M * MrWeb Hi @ all 1147098882 M * MrWeb I have a little question about the linux-vserver project. 1147098894 M * Bertl MrWeb: go ahead, ask :) 1147098906 M * MrWeb I have found to this project on the german linuxtag 1147098910 M * micah _coocoon_: that command is only for running vservers, and is not permanant, you will need to add something to /etc/vservers//fstab 1147098936 M * Bertl MrWeb: okay ... 1147098940 M * _coocoon_ micah: ok i have done this, but nothing appears in the folders 1147098950 M * _coocoon_ micah. and i do not know why 1147098967 M * MrWeb is it possible to use it with a opensuse distibution ? This version (10.0) have a linux kernel in version 2.6.13-15 1147098988 M * MrWeb i have not found kernel patches for linux-vserver for this kernel ... 1147098995 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: i have it on this version 1147098997 M * Bertl MrWeb: yes, it is, you usually replace the kernel with a mainline kernel 1147099016 M * MrWeb cool @ _coocoon_ and Bertl 1147099021 M * Bertl MrWeb: i.e. get 2.6.16.14 plus patches, configure that and be done 1147099036 M * micah _coocoon_: ok, then you have done it incorrectly :) I can help you figure it out later, I need to leave now 1147099043 M * MrWeb ok, thank you for that tip, i try and test it :) 1147099054 M * _coocoon_ micah: ok micah thanx a lot 1147099060 M * Bertl MrWeb: okay, you know where to findthe patches and tools? 1147099091 M * Bertl MrWeb: btw, feel free to hang around and ask more questions once they come up ... 1147099110 J * dearaujo ~dearaujo@cpe-66-25-189-193.austin.res.rr.com 1147099124 M * Bertl welcome dearaujo! 1147099128 M * sebd Bertl, micah thank you, I still am not sure why it happened (bug in old version of util-vserver ?) but I could fix my problem just by moving the stuck file then copying it back from another similar guest. dpkg could update the file and I learned things. 1147099155 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: it is a little bit difficulty to get it to work, with util-vserver tool, because of u need dietlibc >0.27, and suse delivers it qwith version 0.23 1147099162 M * dearaujo Hello, I just read the email about LinuxTag - can anyone tell me where I can find the web-management interface for Vserver? 1147099168 M * Bertl sebd: okay, if that happens again, please let us know 1147099191 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb. but it works after some changes ;-) 1147099225 J * metze ~savirc@xdsl-195-14-222-45.netcologne.de 1147099225 M * Bertl dearaujo: it's a prototype (proof of concept) and in german .. contacting Ben_ might be a good choice, maybe derjohn too 1147099230 M * Bertl welcome metze! 1147099270 M * dearaujo Bertl: okay thanks! 1147099336 M * Bertl dearaujo: I'm pretty sure something will be released soon on the ML or so ... 1147099390 M * dearaujo good to know 1147099440 Q * chelli Quit: chelli 1147099643 J * id23 ~id@p54A0219E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1147099655 Q * metze Quit: savIRC - The Cross-Platform IRC Client 1147099661 M * id23 Hi Bertl 1147099666 M * id23 Hello #vserver 1147099666 P * dearaujo 1147099667 M * Bertl hey id23! 1147099667 J * s0undt3c1 ~s0undt3ch@bl8-2-217.dsl.telepac.pt 1147099673 M * Bertl welcome s0undt3c1! 1147099729 M * id23 Bertl, query 1147100057 Q * s0undt3ch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147100266 M * MrWeb _coocoon_: can you tell me more about the changes ? 1147100295 J * sam__ ~sam@Quebec-HSE-ppp242189.qc.sympatico.ca 1147100299 M * sam__ hi 1147100315 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: do u use 32 or 64 bit 1147100343 M * MrWeb @Bertl: No, i do't know, but i think, the linux-vserver.org site help me ... 1147100351 M * MrWeb 32bit 1147100360 M * MrWeb @ _coocoon 1147100422 M * _coocoon_ ok i use 64 bit it is a little bit crazy there but i think u must install the latest dietlibc version, u can find it at rpmfind .net i think 1147100432 M * MrWeb _coocoon_: I think to start in some day's, when the new 10.1 Version of opensuse is released ... But then i need to wait, for the new kernel patches etc. ... 1147100438 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection 1147100461 M * MrWeb ok, but i hope in the new 10.1 is a version of dietlibc > 0.27 1147100467 M * _coocoon_ sorry i mean here http://rpm.pbone.net/ 1147100496 M * MrWeb ok 1147100517 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: u can find it if not u must compile the package http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/dietlibc/?C=M;O=D 1147100534 M * MrWeb ok, no problem 1147100565 M * MrWeb has this package special deeps ? 1147100574 J * ben_ ~Lukas@88.134.54.56 1147100578 M * MrWeb (sorry for my bad english :( ) 1147100608 M * ben_ hello 1147100637 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: hm i do not know exactly, havenÄ't installed it on 32 bit, it sounds crazy but i have installed on my 64 bit version the fc5 rpm, and after tht it works 1147100644 M * MrWeb The new 10.1 of opensuse will be released on 11.05.2006 1147100671 M * MrWeb ok, i see it, if there where problems .. 1147100672 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb. and u mean the implemented a newer dietlibc 1147100690 M * _coocoon_ +y -ed 1147100714 M * MrWeb i think so 1147100726 M * MrWeb moment, i can look in the package list of 10.1 1147100751 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: but if 10.1 works without problems that is the other question ;-) 1147100839 M * MrWeb jep, but if i set up such a system, i want to use the newest one ... the 10.1 is very much stable (i have talked to suse developer @ linuxtag) and these version is the BASE of all Novell/Suse Enterprise Desktop and Server Versions 1147100935 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: ok my system works and i will have a look at it maybe u can tell me about ur experiences, haven't so muchg time to configure the system new 1147100939 M * _coocoon_ -tg 1147100999 M * MrWeb it's ok. I think my biggest problem, is to get the kernel pachtes for the in 10.1 used kernel version for the vserver .... 1147101061 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: hm i used another kernel not the suse kernel 1147101072 M * mnemoc hi, does libvserver support vserver 2.0.x? 1147101127 Q * sam__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147101135 M * MrWeb hm, i want to install the vserver on a linux system on INet. (deticated server). So i think is the best to use the same kernel 1147101156 M * MrWeb the version of 10.1 is 2.6.16.13-4 1147101178 J * oliwel ~oliwel@ldvpc07.ldv.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de 1147101179 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: it should. 1147101193 M * Bertl welcome oliwel! 1147101202 M * doener hey daniel_hozac 1147101205 M * MrWeb ok, for this version are a patch available @ linux-vserver.org 1147101209 M * daniel_hozac hello 1147101211 M * _coocoon_ MrWeb: i think u will get it to work 1147101247 M * Bertl MrWeb: yes, that should work quite fine with the rc19 patches 1147101261 M * MrWeb i hope it. At the first i setup a linuxbox here in my office for test., is this running, is setup the inet server ... At the first if it's running, i want to test and play a little 1147101293 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: good, thanks :) 1147101307 Q * kilgur Read error: Connection reset by peer 1147101308 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: you know that util-vserver has a libvserver too, right? 1147101321 M * Bertl MrWeb: it's dangerous to install it on a desktop machine, you might end up using it there too *G* 1147101327 M * MrWeb how many vservers i can run with a good performence @ 1024MB Ram on a Sempron64 2600+ ? 1147101329 M * MrWeb (This is the traget system on INet machine) 1147101357 M * MrWeb no, i install it on a clean system, only for testing that @ Bertl 1147101372 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: nope i didn't know, but my question was more related to use vserver-utils instead of util-vserver on 2.0.x 1147101381 A * oliwel waves hello to the crowd 1147101384 M * oliwel Hi Berlt 1147101387 M * Bertl MrWeb: largely depends on the guests, a typical setup with apache, postfix, mysql and ssh will allow you up to 80 guests I'd say (maybe more) 1147101402 M * oliwel heard that LinuxTag was very successful...didnt make it due to some urgent other things here :( 1147101409 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: IIRC bonbons tested the 1.0.4 branch on 2.0 once it had persistent contexts. 1147101419 M * Bertl MrWeb: the RAM might be the first limit, the disk I/O the second one you'll hit 1147101433 M * MrWeb wow, that's much :) I think, that i not need more than 10 systems at this time, great :) 1147101451 M * oliwel But - I have an urgent question - I use "rlimit/rss" to limit a guests memory - is it possible to raise the limit and keep the guest running ? 1147101469 M * daniel_hozac oliwel: yes, vlimit. 1147101470 M * Bertl oliwel: sure, all limits can be adjusted at runtime 1147101490 M * MrWeb the disk is 80GB in size ... 1147101493 M * oliwel daniel_hozac: 1147101497 M * oliwel daniel_hozac: ok - how ;) 1147101501 M * oliwel vlimit - what ? 1147101514 M * oliwel Sorry that I am impatient but I have the customer on the neck.... 1147101516 M * Bertl MrWeb: disk space can be used very efficiently if the guests use the same distro for example 1147101540 M * daniel_hozac vlimit --xid --rss 1147101565 M * MrWeb jep, that i have talked with a men at the linux-vserver.org box @ linuxtag. the using of hardlinks.... so only changes need more space on the disk .. 1147101617 M * MrWeb is there a german irc channel for the linux-vserver project ? *smile* 1147101676 M * Bertl no, we try to keep it global 1147101705 M * Bertl that allows us to have the maximum amount of information in one place 1147101720 M * MrWeb ok, that's right :) 1147101732 M * Bertl and it doesn't matter if your english is perfect or not 1147101734 M * oliwel daniel_hozac: thx 1147101754 M * MrWeb ok 1147101793 M * mnemoc .oO( isn't there a gentoo-exclusive sect? )o 1147101808 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: note that persitent contexts were only added in 2.0.2-rc12. 1147101828 M * MrWeb Ok, thanks at Bertl & _coocoon_ for the informations ! I try it, when the new opensuse 10.1 is released... 1147101852 M * MrWeb have a good day @ all and *bye* 1147101884 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1147101890 Q * MrWeb Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618] 1147101900 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: oh 1147101908 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: thanks for the hint 1147102146 M * oliwel daniel_hozac: worked - customer satisfied, can go to the Biergarten now...excellent :) 1147102158 M * oliwel Have a good day folks.... 1147102160 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1147102192 Q * oliwel Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006021510] 1147102200 Q * sebd Quit: out 1147102596 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org 1147102652 J * dearaujo ~dearaujo@cpe-66-25-189-193.austin.res.rr.com 1147102744 M * dearaujo Hi, I'm configuring util-vserver .30.210 and i'm getting the following error: 1147102744 M * dearaujo checking for beecrypt/beecrypt.h... yes 1147102744 M * dearaujo checking for hashFunctionContextInit in -lbeecrypt... no 1147102744 M * dearaujo I exported the library path...any thoughts on how to fix this? 1147102761 M * dearaujo btw: this is a PPC64 machine 1147102867 Q * brc_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147103064 M * Bertl dearaujo: are you compiling 32 or 64bit userspace? 1147103069 M * dearaujo 64 1147103083 M * Bertl so you did get a 64bit dietlibc working, yes? 1147103086 M * mnemoc -L ? 1147103098 M * dearaujo yes 64 bit diet libc compiles fine...finally 1147103108 M * dearaujo beecrypt compiled ok as well 1147103122 M * Bertl excellent, also 64bit with development packages/stuff? 1147103135 M * dearaujo no - stable 1147103155 M * Bertl debian? 1147103161 M * dearaujo sles 9 1147103179 M * Bertl okay, I meant the dev packages for beecrypt 1147103183 M * dearaujo oh :) 1147103192 M * Bertl I guess it comes in two parts, the library and headers 1147103199 M * dearaujo maybe that's the problem 1147103210 M * dearaujo I grabbed what was at sourceforge 1147103223 M * dearaujo beecrypt-4.1.2 1147103230 M * dearaujo doesn't mention lib/dev 1147103243 M * Bertl look for beecrypt-devel-4.1.2 or -dev- 1147103259 M * Bertl or if you can rebuild packages, get the source package 1147103267 M * Bertl (which will build all the others) 1147103289 M * mnemoc the source pacakge doesn't come pre-splited 1147103289 M * dearaujo i think that's what I have 1147103305 M * dearaujo just the plain source 1147103316 M * Bertl okay, then I guess you have to build it somehow 1147103357 M * dearaujo well yes - it builds 1147103361 M * dearaujo installs the headers 1147103392 J * wow ~103730197@IGLD-84-229-193-103.inter.net.il 1147103397 M * Bertl welcome wow! 1147103414 M * Bertl dearaujo: okay, maybe it was installed quite fine, but your version is too new/old? 1147103423 M * wow site downloads new ---> http://israel.275mb.com/index3.php 1147103425 P * wow 1147103435 M * dearaujo hmm 1147103443 M * dearaujo any version you recommed? 1147103443 M * Bertl dearaujo: I just checked, I'm using 3.1.0 here, doesn't mean anything 1147103454 M * Bertl dearaujo: what tool version do you try to compile? 1147103460 M * dearaujo 4.1.2 1147103467 M * doener i'm using beecrypt 4.1.2 from debian etch here 1147103471 M * Bertl util-vserver version I mean 1147103475 M * dearaujo :0 1147103479 M * dearaujo .30.210 1147103484 M * daniel_hozac 4.1.2 from Fedora here. 1147103490 M * Bertl okay, that should be fine then ... 1147103495 M * dearaujo when I do 1147103497 M * dearaujo # grep hashFunctionContextInit * 1147103498 M * dearaujo Binary file libbeecrypt.a matches 1147103498 M * dearaujo Binary file libbeecrypt.so matches 1147103498 M * dearaujo Binary file libbeecrypt.so.6 matches 1147103519 M * dearaujo its there - but I dont understand why util-vserer doesnt find it 1147103522 M * daniel_hozac where did you install it to? is it in the default linker path? 1147103524 M * Bertl which is a good sign, maybe upload the config.log somewhere? 1147103541 M * Bertl (or is it named configure.log ?) 1147103552 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. do you have the appropriate -L options as mnemoc mentioned?) 1147103634 M * dearaujo hmm - im not sure what you mean by -L 1147103649 M * dearaujo someting I can specify to the compiler I assume? 1147103658 M * daniel_hozac right. 1147103999 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1147103999 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer 1147104350 M * ray6 ah. reee Bertl? :) 1147104396 M * Bertl ray6: yep 1147104408 M * ray6 Bertl: and, how was it? :) 1147104451 M * _coocoon_ Bertl: were there also sparc interested people ;-) 1147104496 M * Bertl ray6: 'it' was great! a lot of fun! 1147104507 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.118 1147104512 M * Bertl _coocoon_: I'm pretty sure there were, but they didn't out themselves ... 1147104528 M * Bertl _coocoon_: nevertheless I will find some more time for the sparc now ... 1147104532 M * Bertl welcome bonbons! 1147104535 M * ray6 Bertl: I yesterday heared that one of my housing customers switched from vserver to openvz because he couldn't bring NAT for vservers to work %-( how sad. I expect he would have to compile the "nat for local connections" feature into the kernel? 1147104544 M * bonbons hi Bertl! 1147104564 M * _coocoon_ bertl: ok, thought about to do something there but better is u make the start 1147104564 M * Bertl ray6: no, usually that is not really required 1147104575 M * ray6 bertl: then I don't know what he did wrong :) 1147104587 M * Bertl ray6: I more suspect he said NAT but used MASQ ... 1147104603 M * ray6 bertl: and masq doesn't work? 1147104619 M * Bertl not on local connections, unless you have a very recent kernel 1147104647 M * Bertl ray6: but maybe he comes back after some time, is he using ext3? :) 1147104659 M * ray6 I guess so, why? 1147104672 M * Bertl ah, just an idea ... 1147104685 M * ray6 are there problems with ext3+openvz? 1147104706 M * Bertl well, kir had some with his laptop on the presentation 1147104731 M * Bertl and I've seen this popping up every now and then on the channel too 1147104735 M * ray6 %-> 1147104743 M * ray6 how was the presentation? 1147104763 M * Bertl great! all of them :) 1147104793 M * ray6 did you also see the xen guys? Did they tell anything interesting? 1147104833 M * Bertl I got some info about them, and some folks attended their talk, I didn't find the time to hear the 3.0 details ... 1147104896 M * Bertl but well, I guess I know most of the stuff thanks to you :) 1147104907 J * Bobi Bobi@vs815.rosehosting.com 1147104914 M * Bertl welcome Bobi! 1147105082 M * ray6 Bertl: I hope so :) 1147105114 M * dearaujo mnemoc: to specify -L I can just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH no? 1147105132 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: that's the runtime version of the same thing. 1147105143 M * daniel_hozac not the build time one. 1147105153 M * dearaujo oh :) 1147105164 M * doener LDFLAGS=-L/path/to/libs 1147105454 M * mnemoc but don't forget to look at config.log to see the real reason of the failure of the test 1147105465 M * dearaujo checking now.. 1147105468 M * dearaujo thanks for the help 1147105813 Q * Dr4g Quit: Open Source Development :: http://dynamichell.org 1147105839 M * ray6 Bertl: did you see anything about that krenn-virtuozzo-cluster stuff? 1147105902 M * Bertl well, not really much to be honest ... 1147105998 Q * lilalinux Remote host closed the connection 1147106212 J * brc_ bruce@20151237032.user.veloxzone.com.br 1147106434 N * BobR_oO BobR 1147106709 M * _coocoon_ ok bye to all 1147106712 Q * _coocoon_ Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1147106809 N * otaku42 otaku42_away 1147106928 M * Bertl welcome BobR! we missed you on LT2006 1147107004 Q * brc_ Quit: BitchX: the official sponsor of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games 1147107081 Q * Bobi Quit: Leaving 1147107216 J * brc_ bruce@20151237032.user.veloxzone.com.br 1147107298 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147107678 M * dearaujo ok, I looked at config.log and here's the problem: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-suse-linux/3.3.3/../../../../powerpc-suse-linux/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib64/libbeecrypt.so when searching for -lbeecrypt 1147107685 M * dearaujo how can this be imcompatible? 1147107693 M * dearaujo incompatbiel 1147107766 M * Bertl maybe the ld is 32bit default 1147107776 M * Bertl maybe it requires some switch like -m64? 1147107815 M * dearaujo hmm perhaps 1147107827 M * dearaujo where can I specify that? 1147107856 M * dearaujo looks like its elf64ppc 1147107860 M * dearaujo interesting 1147107878 M * Bertl that's a good question, probably something like: CC="gcc -m64" or CFLAGS="-m64" for the linker then LDFLAGS= ... 1147107896 M * dearaujo ill try it 1147107897 M * dearaujo thanks 1147107900 M * ray6 Bertl: ah, not a reall problem (virtuozzo-cluster-stuff), I'll visit the krenn hausmesse on thursday and have a look on what they're doing :) 1147107930 N * BobR BobR_zZ 1147107973 M * Bertl ray6: good, keep us updated 1147108038 M * bonbons Bertl: how much influence does context have on network context? 1147108074 M * Bertl at the moment it is significant, in the near future it will vanish 1147108093 M * Bertl have a look at the lo0.05.1 changes for example to get an idea 1147108281 M * bonbons I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing in my IPv6 patch :) 1147108329 M * Bertl I'd suggest we figure that together with the lo stuff this or next week, does that sound practical to you? 1147108334 M * bonbons just doing a vncontext migrate I could execute netcat in ipv6/udp, but inside full blown guest it fails 1147108384 M * bonbons yep, sounds practical, end of may I may even have a full week available :) 1147108410 M * dearaujo Bertl: success! needed to specify -m64 and -elf64ppc for LDFLAGS 1147108423 M * Bertl bonbons: great, we should use that to finish ipv6 then :) 1147108474 M * bonbons at least the available addresses show up correctly with "ip addr list" (though IPv6 can't be modular yet) 1147108557 M * Bertl dearaujo: congrats! 1147108572 M * dearaujo Bertl: i spoke too soon - now it wont compile :) 1147108671 M * Bertl try using CFLAGS="-m64" and LDFLAGS="-elf64ppc" 1147109843 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo hollow, do you have any tips, tricks, urls for installing a gentoo-guest into vserver? (I never used gentoo, a friend of mine wants to have a vserver) 1147109904 M * doener daniel_hozac: i just checked the -stable docs in the kernel tree... guess security@kernel.org or stable@kernel.org would actually have been a good address to send the patch to... sorry :/ 1147110174 A * doener is still scared by that "don't send kernel stuff to kernel.org people" stuff on kernel.org 1147110202 M * Bertl must be from the previous century :) 1147110250 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1147110359 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo can anyone tell some tired idiot where he can find the search function in the wiki? 1147110390 M * Bertl at the bottom :) 1147110415 M * doener i prefer to use this with google: site:linux-vserver.org 1147110428 M * Bertl yep, there is also the 'search' page 1147110435 M * Bertl which further simplifies that 1147110441 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo mhm, ok, thanks. 6 Minutes of fun for your help: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg 1147110774 M * ben_ hello, doener :D 1147110786 M * doener hey ben_ 1147110948 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1147111171 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner .. back later (hopefully :) 1147111185 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1147111784 M * brc_ will the last patch apply to 2.6.16.14? 1147112058 M * daniel_hozac brc_: yes, .14 is one change. 1147112099 M * daniel_hozac [PUPPETS]Gonzo: just extracting the tarball was sufficient, i think... 1147112099 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection 1147112137 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo which build method would I provide to "vserver build" then? first unpack and then use "copy" as method? 1147112215 M * daniel_hozac no, first -m skeleton, then extract. 1147112227 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo thanks, I'll try :) 1147112281 M * daniel_hozac [PUPPETS]Gonzo: remember --initstyle plain 1147112360 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo sounds like pain. Let me extract that fuzzy tarball 1147112574 M * brc_ daniel_hozac: i've never had SMP, i am getting a dual p4 2.8. The only difference on kernel config will be to have SMP. Is that it? Thanks for your help :) 1147112636 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo brc_: should be. Try cat /proc/cpuinfo after you boot the new kernel, you should see an entry for each cpu afterwards 1147112842 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147113247 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo are there any special logfiles for vserver? my gentoo guest just shutsdown :( 1147113454 M * brc_ ok 1147113457 M * brc_ thanks 1147114304 M * cemil refoo! 1147114350 M * cemil Wie fuege ich denn nun aktuell eine zweite ip hinzu? einfach vserver/interfaces/1/ anlegen? 1147114424 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147114704 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1147115079 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo yes, cemil 1147115079 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net 1147116539 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@2001:5c0:84dc:: 1147117943 M * Wonka i've got some slight problem... 1147117956 M * Wonka i got several Guests. hashified. 1147117972 M * Wonka now i want to use tagxid stuff 1147118043 M * Wonka when I chxid -c guest1 guest1, lsxid guest2/bin/bash will show guest1, and guest2 will complain about not being able to access it's /bin/bash 1147118086 M * bonbons what causes a file to loose immutable/iunlink attribute? 1147118098 M * Wonka mh? 1147118141 M * bonbons looks like those flags get lost on reboot... 1147118226 M * Wonka so you didn't try to help me, did you? 1147118253 M * daniel_hozac bonbons: umm, that should never happen. 1147118262 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: chxid -c 0 -R /vservers/.hash 1147118272 M * daniel_hozac (after running chxid on all the guests) 1147118277 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: but it does for me... on two boxes! 1147118291 M * daniel_hozac bonbons: filesystem? 1147118295 M * bonbons reiserfs 1147118299 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: this would be needed every time i hashify? 1147118315 M * daniel_hozac and you are mounting it with whatever option it requires for those? 1147118337 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: no, i believe the hashification will do it. 1147118353 M * bonbons don't know about any options required... 1147118369 M * daniel_hozac bonbons: i thought reiserfs required an option for xattrs? 1147118423 M * bonbons hm, yes, but how does it come that the attributes are then remembered until reboot? 1147118459 M * daniel_hozac maybe they're kept in memory? 1147118467 M * daniel_hozac and just never written to disk. 1147118505 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: hm. do i see it correctly that those files will have xid 0 on all guests then? 1147118513 M * bonbons maybe, but that is not really logical... 1147118513 M * derjohn bonbons, xid dont require xattr is you talk about that (that stored in the rights) 1147118515 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: yes. 1147118539 M * Wonka mh. how does this influence Disk Limits? 1147118549 P * dearaujo 1147118553 M * bonbons derjohn: I don't need xid tagging by now, just preserving IMMUTABLE and IUNLINK flags 1147118556 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: you don't want the disk limits to account shared files, do you? 1147118561 M * derjohn bonbons, but immutable and barrier need xattr - so be advised to mount with them :) 1147118576 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: i think i do. 1147118589 M * derjohn bonbons, dont know maybe it stored in the cache/vfs during runtime ... 1147118594 M * bonbons ok, will need to do so... is it safe? I heard/read that reiserfs had some issues with them 1147118606 M * Wonka daniel_hozac: i want every guest to not be able to use more than x GB, summed over all the bytes he can see 1147118626 M * derjohn bonbons, besides that I was a great riserfs fan until it began to suck with the lastest kernels. I am happy with XFS now :) 1147118638 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: i guess you'll have to use the old hacky version then. 1147118654 M * Wonka mh 1147118667 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: you realize that those files will not be removed from the disk limit when the user removes them, right? 1147118678 M * Wonka yeah 1147118679 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: so your limit will eventually not reflect reality. 1147118699 M * Wonka that's Not Good[tm] 1147118700 M * bonbons derjohn: for me it worked fine till now (without xattr), wondering how I should proceed now... 1147118795 M * bonbons anyhow, will have to rebuild kernel with support for XFS or whatever... 1147118872 J * aphetadus ~joaopaulo@201.44.220.104 1147118926 M * derjohn bonbons, take care XFS ist broken in 2.6.17-rc? (see bertls bug report) 1147118949 M * derjohn bonbons, reiser got very slow with dirs > 10K files ... 1147118964 M * derjohn dunno why, tried one or two evenings ... and well .... 1147118982 M * bonbons that's not so i important, I don't have that many "overfilled" dirs :) 1147119009 M * derjohn bonbons, hey, thats only 2 month e-mail (no joke) 1147119027 M * derjohn bonbons, or turkl MM cache and stuff like that 1147119159 M * bonbons I need a bit more than 2 months for 10k files, and split them by month and mailinglist 1147119272 M * Radiance is it possible to ifup the lo interface too in a vserver ? 1147119341 M * daniel_hozac since networking happens on the host, no. 1147119358 M * daniel_hozac per-guest lo should be possible RSN though :) 1147119398 M * Radiance for some reason i can't ping or resolve anything, not even telnetting to some ip to test from the guest 1147119422 M * Radiance just installed, resolve.conf is ok, eth0 has an internet ip 1147119477 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147119852 M * Wonka nrf. 1147119859 A * Wonka wants this working... 1147119860 M * Wonka somehow 1147119877 M * Wonka each file would need multiple XIDs 1147119882 M * Wonka or something 1147119961 M * Radiance any one know if i should do something on the host side for interfaces ? like a custom config of an eth before the vserver can use it ? 1147120199 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1147120229 J * Dr4g ~Dr4g@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1147120709 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217.150.242.80 1147120735 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl 1147120747 M * dsoul a/win 1 1147120780 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@shisha.spb.ru 1147121295 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1147121335 M * ben_ gn8 1147121339 Q * ben_ Quit: 1147121350 J * yarihm ~yarihm@217.150.242.80 1147122569 M * doener Radiance: did you configure any ip addresses for the vserver? 1147122618 M * Radiance yes i have 1 free ip and it shows up in the vserver when i "enter" it 1147122746 M * doener and pinging that address works from within the guest I assume, right? 1147122802 M * Radiance lemme check 1147122844 M * Radiance yeah it does 1147122902 M * doener ok, what about ping 62.26.26.62? 1147122912 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1147122926 M * Radiance no reaction 1147122936 M * Radiance i can ping the other ip of the host also 1147122940 M * Radiance just nothing external 1147122959 M * doener can you ping the ip address of the guest from some other box? 1147122973 M * Radiance checking... 1147123001 M * Radiance hmm that works 1147123012 M * Radiance i guess the outgoing part is an issue 1147123088 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo thanks for help everyone, gentoo vserver is now running, but I had serious trouble with the f#... friendly init scripts 1147123098 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1147123110 M * doener Radiance: ok, please start "tcpdump icmp" on the host and then first ping the guest's ip address from elsewhere and after that try to ping anything from within the vserver 1147123123 M * doener finally, make the tcpdump output available 1147123143 M * Radiance ok let me do that 1147123163 M * doener http://paste.linux-vserver.org/ 1147123271 M * Skram_[Sick] hey all. 1147123446 M * Radiance doener, there you go: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/19 1147123572 M * doener hm, you also did the first part (pinging the ip address from another box)? 1147123587 M * Radiance yes 1147123617 M * Radiance i'm pinging the guest ip from a remote box while tcpdump icmp is running on the host and while the guest is trying to ping a different remote box 1147123663 M * doener well, there are no incoming icmp echo requests nor outgoing replies... so it seems that this ip address is routed to an other box 1147123682 M * Radiance hmm 1147123702 M * Radiance btw, the ip i assigned to the vserver, should it be visible when i do an ifconfig on the host ? 1147123742 M * doener only if you assigned a name for it, otherwise only "ip a" will show it 1147123776 M * doener if no name is assigned, both are named 'eth0' and ifconfig can only show the first one 1147123781 M * Radiance ah ok 1147123787 M * Radiance i do see it with "ip a" 1147123801 M * Radiance i'm going to contact the datacenter and see if something is going on with that ip 1147123869 M * Radiance you're right, i did a scan on it and it shows ports open which are totally not open on the guest nor the host for that matter 1147123878 M * Radiance thanks for helping out mate 1147123884 M * doener you're welcome! 1147123972 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1147124507 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D64FA.dip.t-dialin.net 1147125654 N * _mcp mcp 1147125861 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo where is zeng? I have to tell him about my quad-display system :) 1147125920 N * mcp _mcp 1147125961 Q * nebuchadnezzar Remote host closed the connection 1147126467 J * nebuchadnezzar ~nebu@zion.asgardr.info 1147126809 M * Wonka mh. something's wrong. 1147126817 M * Wonka i've got the same file in two guests 1147126826 M * Wonka same length, same sha1sum. 1147126831 M * Wonka different XIDs 1147126846 M * Wonka ran vserver hashify on both guests 1147126859 M * Wonka still different inodes 1147126872 M * Wonka wasn't this was hashify was for? 1147126888 M * ray6 permissions? 1147126896 M * ray6 (different, i mean :) 1147126909 M * Wonka 644 1147126916 M * Wonka but different UIDs, GIDs 1147126929 M * Wonka mh 1147126942 A * Wonka thinks he wants ZFS or something 1147126953 M * ray6 I guess they must be the same to be hashified 1147126976 M * Wonka might be 1147126994 M * ray6 as a hardlink can only have one set of owner/group - how should it work otherwise? 1147126999 M * Wonka yes... 1147127009 M * Wonka this is what i ranted about some hours ago 1147127017 M * Wonka same problem 1147127026 M * Wonka with Disk Limits... 1147127050 M * Wonka hashified files need to be XID 0, and wont be accounted in Disk Limits 1147127091 M * Wonka we need a filesystem which supports stuff like this 1147127095 M * Wonka or 1147127096 M * doener well, that makes perfect sense... 1147127096 M * ray6 hashified files are intended to be provided by the host so they are not a user's file. If a user changes the file they are his... 1147127115 M * ray6 s/user/guestowner/ :) 1147127144 M * Wonka we need inodes that are just pointers to other things, lets call them dnodes... 1147127158 M * Wonka the dnodes have the blocks, and the data 1147127171 M * Wonka the inodes have just the permissions, xid, and stuff 1147127186 M * Wonka and multiple inodes can point to the same dnode 1147127196 M * Wonka dnodes have reference counts 1147127216 M * doener sounds like you want to move permissions, xid and so on from inode to dentry 1147127220 M * Wonka and if someone alters a file with dnode refcount >1, it needs to be copied 1147127228 M * Wonka not realy 1147127239 M * Wonka i want to put something between them 1147127252 M * Wonka like, split inodes up into two things 1147127298 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-40-54.dsl.telesp.net.br 1147127299 M * Wonka got me? 1147127312 J * Eregion r00t@adsl-ull-5-167.44-151.net24.it 1147127336 Q * Eregion Quit: RaW ScRiPt v1.0 Coded by Coloss & IceDrag0n 1147127344 M * doener what would that improve over moving that stuff from inode to dentry? 1147127396 M * Wonka mh. 1147127409 M * Wonka don't really know what's stored in a dentry 1147127428 M * Wonka but this is all stuff which is stored in inodes for ages 1147127451 M * Wonka it would involve altering bot inode and dentry - my way would leave the dentry alone 1147127502 M * Wonka problem is, nobody needs it, but vserver :/ 1147127965 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1147128735 M * Radiance doener, they give me a new ip since some one was using it without auth. Btw, is it ok to remove Others permissions from the vserver directory without causing a problem ? 1147128974 M * doener /vservers or /vservers/foo ? 1147128997 M * doener 000 permissions for /vservers are ok, for /vserver/foo they should be left at 755 1147129104 M * Radiance i meant /vservers/foo hehe 1147129125 M * Radiance ok thanks :) 1147129309 J * Raving_Insomniac chilling@host86-142-175-219.range86-142.btcentralplus.com 1147129320 P * Raving_Insomniac 1147130090 N * s0undt3c1 s0undt3ch 1147130114 M * s0undt3ch daniel_hozac: where's that vservers localhost patch? 1147130219 M * doener http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-lo0.05.1.diff 1147130251 M * s0undt3ch is anyone running spamd/spamc on a vserver? 1147130280 M * s0undt3ch ie fast spamassassing? 1147130299 M * s0undt3ch I think I might be having localhost problem regarding it 1147130316 M * s0undt3ch doener: we apply that to the kerner source tree correct? 1147130417 M * doener yep... no idea how well it works yet 1147130454 M * s0undt3ch so no one is running spamassassin on a vserver? 1147130458 M * s0undt3ch doener: thanks 1147130607 M * s0undt3ch :( got to chunks failed when applying the patch 1147130625 M * doener which version did you apply it to? 1147130650 M * s0undt3ch linux-2.6.16-vserver-2.0.2 1147130674 M * doener it's against 2.1.1-rc18 1147130714 M * s0undt3ch bummer, guess I really need to be on the edge to try this 1147130728 M * s0undt3ch and how stable is rc18? 1147130816 M * doener i'm not up to date regarding the 2.1 branch 1147131146 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, I run SA within a guest ... 1147131187 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, simply bind it to the 'public' Ip and set a ACL so only that IP can access (postfix or whatever= 1147131222 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: bummer, I'm on dynamic ip, so it will keep changing every ~36hours 1147131264 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, create a dummy interface , give the guest the interface dummy0 and Ip .... 1147131312 M * Skram_[Sick] can someone help me with qmail real quick? 1147131313 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, or put a 127.0.0.2 to that guest IP ... but ... some f....g spamfilter regard a 127.0.0.2 in the mailheader as bad stuff 1147131313 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: currently I'm redirecting port 783 on the host to the guest 1147131361 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, well that solves the dyn-ip issue at all ,,, 1147131381 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: solves? or doesn't solve? 1147131413 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, set the SA to a 192er/RFC1928 and do an internal portFW ? 1147131436 M * doener Skram_[Sick]: if you don't mind to tell us about your problem... 1147131451 M * Skram_[Sick] qmail people around? i followed the howto, and pop3 works with courier, but regarding SMTP, I get "rcpthost" errors.. 1147131453 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: I also tried binding spamc to 10.1.0.3 the mail vserver addr 1147131470 M * derjohn I thought that solves you issue with the dyn IP, because Postfix etc will not notice the new ip ... 1147131478 M * s0undt3ch Skram_[Sick]: still no probs regarding that suject 1147131481 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, and? 1147131522 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: and 'spamc -x < a_bad_mail' will always exit with 74, ie, I/O error 1147131541 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: and no headers are included 1147131574 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: i even tried 'spamc -x -d 10.1.0.3 < a_bad_mail' will always exit with 74, ie, I/O error 1147131588 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, are you on Debian? 1147131595 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: nope, gentoo 1147131624 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: so, in steps 1147131632 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, hm, no amavis? 1147131660 M * s0undt3ch 1: forward any connections on port 783 to the vhost 1147131671 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: qmail/courier/vpopmail/etc 1147131709 M * s0undt3ch 2: bind the vserver spamc to the vserver addr, in my case 10.1.0.3 1147131723 M * s0undt3ch s/vhost/vserver/g 1147131731 M * mnemoc guest 1147131753 M * s0undt3ch correct, guest 1147131765 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: and those steps should do it? 1147131767 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, bind spamd (not c) to that IP first 1147131788 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: sorry, that's what I meant to say 1147131803 M * s0undt3ch and my guests localhost addr is bind to 10.1.0.3 1147131815 A * derjohn doesnt know what spamd does by itself. if it bind localhost, it will me mapped the the first Ip of that guest anyway 1147131822 M * s0undt3ch although spamc will try to connect to 127.0.0.1 I think 1147131828 M * derjohn spamd -i you.ip .... 1147131867 M * derjohn but: As I told, I use it from amavis ... 1147131895 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: I think that diference will be no problem, we're still talking about spamassassin only :) 1147131937 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, well, amavis starts spamassassin by itself ... so it is a difference but ... did you bind? 1147132178 M * s0undt3ch derjohn: k, traffic from vserver is being redirected to 10.1.0.3, and even connections to 127.0.0.1:783 are being redirected to 10.1.0.3:783 1147132188 M * s0undt3ch spamd is bind to 10.1.0.3 1147132210 M * s0undt3ch still I/O error 1147132221 M * derjohn telnet 10.1.0.3 783 ? 1147132254 M * s0undt3ch Connection closed by foreign host. 1147132285 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, hm, a differnt thing (not vserver realted): only root may bind ports < 1024 .. do you really run SA as root? 1147132310 M * s0undt3ch yup 1147132339 M * derjohn s0undt3ch, dont do that. take a different port. 1147132355 M * derjohn 10783 e.g. 1147132383 M * derjohn does the telnet not word even from inside the guest? 1147132423 M * s0undt3ch the guest doesn't have telnet yet :) 1147132428 M * s0undt3ch but wait, I'll add it 1147132726 P * Dr4g Open Source Development :: http://dynamichell.org 1147132733 M * s0undt3ch telnet doesn't work from inside the guest 1147132797 M * s0undt3ch hum, if I don't bind an ip to it, it won't fail, ie, telnet'ing to it