1144972925 J * harry ~harry@d54C2508C.access.telenet.be
1144973079 M * Bertl wb harry!
1144973480 M * micah daniel_hozac: I re-did with two vservers, and looking at a couple of the hashed files i see 2 links
1144973539 M * daniel_hozac just two? if the files are unified across two vservers, the files should have 3.
1144973600 M * micah hmm
1144973611 M * micah -rw-r--r-- 2 root root 8903 Aug 14  2004 e0c2bcf5701aa01a70307d612128787ec35d-00000000
1144973614 M * micah for example
1144973638 M * daniel_hozac so the vservers aren't of the same distribution?
1144973643 M * Bertl well, two is better than none
1144973666 M * daniel_hozac did the usage increase after your hashification this time as well?
1144973667 M * micah no, I've got a stable, testing and unstable debian distro here
1144973698 M * micah yes it again increased
1144973708 M * daniel_hozac as much?
1144973773 M * micah started with 174588256 available, now have 173249404 available
1144973971 M * micah so, the difference this time is more
1144974021 M * Bertl are you sure that the hash process works?
1144974036 M * micah no, thats why I am trying it! :)
1144974050 M * micah Bertl: do you have a way I can test to see if it does work properly?
1144974106 M * daniel_hozac micah: make check?
1144974429 M * micah daniel_hozac: All 18 tests passed
1144974519 M * micah there are these two tests, which I guess are the ones:
1144974521 M * micah PASS: src/testsuite/hashcalc-plain.sh
1144974521 M * micah PASS: src/testsuite/hashcalc.sh
1144974811 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-220-183.hive.is
1144975685 J * kingruedi ~king@p508B5ED5.dip.t-dialin.net
1144976283 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1144976400 Q * PilatomiK Remote host closed the connection
1144977210 Q * doener Quit: nn
1144977371 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A07E6B.dip.t-dialin.net
1144977376 Q * |coocoon| Quit: 
1144977685 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144977798 Q * kingruedi Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1144978140 J * PilatomiK ~tek@ADijon-151-1-113-219.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1144980125 J * id23 ~id@p54A0221B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144981184 Q * mkhl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144981587 J * matta ~matta@c-69-253-223-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1144982700 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144983244 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D66C6.dip.t-dialin.net
1144983363 Q * PilatomiK Remote host closed the connection
1144985685 Q * harry Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144987090 J * harry ~harry@d54C2508C.access.telenet.be
1144987918 J * Vratha ~grimw@cv517-230.cv.siue.edu
1144987921 M * Vratha hi there!
1144987931 M * Bertl welcome Vratha!
1144987990 M * Vratha ok.. i don't know what i did on the original system to get things working, but i just copied my vserver over to a new system, and anything that needs to create a local socket within its vserver gets errors: one coming from mysqld is "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'" ... it seems mysqld can't create the socket
1144987999 M * Vratha so i'm assuming it's a security setting somewhere that i don't have set right
1144988018 M * Vratha hi Bertl :)
1144988036 M * Bertl hmm, some details, like kernel version and such?
1144988052 M * Vratha oh.. kernel 2.6.14.3 (with VS2.0.1)
1144988061 M * Vratha let me get util-vserver package version..
1144988082 M * Vratha util-vserver 0.30.209-1
1144988104 M * Bertl and the 'local' mysql is running?
1144988119 M * Vratha no, mysql can't run, presumably because it can't create that socket
1144988127 M * Vratha postgres is having similar problems
1144988154 M * Bertl hmm, sounds more like some kind of collision with the host system, can that be?
1144988187 M * Vratha well, i checked that all servers on the host system are bound to one IP
1144988202 M * Vratha and i'm only running a localhost email server and an SSHD that can only be reached via the host IP
1144988207 M * Vratha all UDP ports are cleared
1144988249 M * Bertl okay, how did you copy the guest?
1144988286 M * Vratha i shut down the vservers and did "tar zcpf blah.tgz blah" on /vservers, /etc/vservers, and the associated directories in /var/run
1144988306 M * Vratha and then untarred them via "tar zxpf..."
1144988382 M * Vratha i don't know if there is some sort of "CAP_" i have to enable to allow vservers to make their own local sockets
1144988398 M * Bertl no, not really
1144988408 M * Bertl none which wouldn't be already there
1144988421 M * Bertl what comes to my mind is some kind of filesystem permission
1144988437 M * Bertl maybe check the startup logs of postgresql or mysql?
1144988440 M * Vratha oh, right... well the underlying filesystem is now reiserfs; it was ext2 on the old system
1144988461 M * Bertl then double check that it is a) mounted with attrs
1144988470 M * Vratha ah, ok
1144988472 M * Bertl and b) that the barrier is set correctly
1144988517 M * Vratha heh, ok, this'll probably take a few minutes to check everything there
1144988643 M * Vratha well, it may be worth mentioning now that i used to keep all the vservers in /vservers.. the new system's root partition is too small, so i put it into /usr/vservers and created a symlink to it... but the attrs on the real /usr/vservers directory is the same as it was on the original system
1144988717 M * Bertl if possible, try to switch back to ext2/3 for a test
1144988741 M * Vratha well, i do have enough space on / to give it a quick test; i'll try that in just a moment :)
1144988891 M * Vratha weird.. since turning off the barrier on the symlink, it can create a socket now, but it can't use it... it remains empty... i'm going to guess it really is a problem with using this on reiserfs
1144988959 M * Bertl could easily be, we fixed many fs issues (reiser and jfs) after 2.0.1 and of course, reiser needs the proper flags too
1144989180 M * Vratha heh, taking a while to move the files
1144989696 M * Vratha crap
1144989704 M * Vratha it looks like we have permissions problems all over the place
1144989713 M * Vratha so it wasn't the vserver after all
1144989714 M * Vratha well crap
1144989728 M * Bertl maybe the tar didn't copy the uid/gid values correctly?
1144989735 M * Vratha yeah, it totally screwed them up
1144989740 M * Vratha you have a better way to do the copy?
1144989885 M * Bertl what about rsync?
1144989898 M * Bertl (with --numeric-ids and archive)
1144989920 M * Vratha hmm, that sounds good; i was going to use that earlier but couldn't remmeber the params
1144989926 M * Bertl or just cp -va if it is local
1144990136 M * Vratha heh, sounds good; we jsut have to remember how to use rsync
1144990309 M * Bertl rsync -axz --delete --numeric-ids --progress --dry-run
1144990317 M * Bertl :)
1144990335 M * Vratha sweetness!
1144991245 M * Vratha oh heck yes!  that worked beautifully
1144991253 M * Vratha well, sorry for being completely wrong about the problem
1144991442 M * Vratha but thank you much for helping :)
1144991488 M * Bertl no problem! you're welcome!
1144991695 Q * Vratha Quit: leaving
1144991919 Q * softi42 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * matta oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * id23 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * shedi oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * sizo oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * mugwump oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * ray6 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * blackfire oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Medivh oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * trasher oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * blizz oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * lonewolff oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * SNy oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * morrigan oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * pusling oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * h01ger oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * ag- oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * tokkee oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Bertl oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * brc oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * wibble oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * meebey oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * nox oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * [PUPPETS]Gonzo oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Wonka oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * phreak`` oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * gdm oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Wenix oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * SiD3WiNDR oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * alamar oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * kilian oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * wenchien oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * rmoriz oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Adrinael oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * harry oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * bubulak oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * click oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * cohan oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * yang oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * k3mper oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Provito oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * kir oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * teukka oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * VAndreas oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * jkl oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Loki|muh oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * flock oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * ddlp oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * dsoul oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * sladen oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * dhansen oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * redtux oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * ntrs oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * lilalinux_ oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * FireEgl oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Cru oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * nokoya oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * BobR_oO oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Greek0 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Hunger oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * samuel_ oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * mire oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Skram oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * Vudumen oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * cemil oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * pollux oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * goldnlink oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * insomniac oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * michal` oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * weasel oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * daniel_hozac oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * derjohn oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * micah oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * waldi oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991919 Q * bragon oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net
1144991926 J * harry ~harry@d54C2508C.access.telenet.be
1144991926 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1144991926 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.Org
1144991926 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-214-079.pools.arcor-ip.net
1144991926 J * ddlp ~ddlp@sarayi.kariva.org
1144991926 J * dsoul darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl
1144991926 J * bubulak ~bubulak@cicka.wnet.sk
1144991926 J * click click@ti511110a080-4050.bb.online.no
1144991926 J * dhansen ~dave@sprucegoose.sr71.net
1144991926 J * cohan ~cohan@koniczek.de
1144991926 J * yang ~yang@cpe-213-157-253-172.dynamic.amis.net
1144991926 J * k3mper ~maio@mail.progamers.cz
1144991926 J * Provito ~Provito@82-35-133-113.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk
1144991926 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-mipt-nat.sw.ru
1144991926 J * teukka ~tmatilai@backport.ri.fi
1144991926 J * VAndreas ~Hossa@212.110.98.7
1144991926 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1144991926 J * jkl eric@c-67-172-156-116.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1144991926 J * redtux ~redtux@pc199.pub.univie.ac.at
1144991926 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1144991926 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1144991926 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1144991926 J * goldnlink ~goldnlink@cpc1-stkn1-0-0-cust866.midd.cable.ntl.com
1144991926 J * insomniac ~insomniac@slackware.it
1144991926 J * Vudumen ~vudumen@perverz.hu
1144991926 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1144991926 J * samuel_ ~samuel@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA
1144991926 J * mire ~mire@111-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net
1144991926 J * pollux foobar@image4.cpe.fr
1144991926 J * BobR_oO odie@212.16.62.52
1144991926 J * Skram ~mark@admins.sentiensystems.net
1144991926 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1144991926 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1144991926 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1144991926 J * Cru ~mindwarp@turbodiesel.e.de.wahlich.com
1144991926 J * weasel weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net
1144991926 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1144991926 J * bragon ~bragon@sd866.sivit.org
1144991926 J * micah ~micah@69.90.134.205
1144991926 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-2d1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1144991926 J * waldi ~waldi@bblank.thinkmo.de
1144991934 J * rmoriz ~roland@195.68.242.245
1144991934 J * Wenix ~wenix@81.7.189.11
1144991934 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1144991934 J * brc bruce@20151191041.user.veloxzone.com.br
1144991934 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1144991934 J * gdm ~gdm@64.62.195.81
1144991934 J * kilian kk@projects.verfaction.de
1144991934 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@134.68.220.30
1144991934 J * alamar ~alamar@sol.diddens.de
1144991934 J * Wonka produziert@chaos.in-kiel.de
1144991934 J * [PUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1144991934 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net
1144991934 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net
1144991934 J * wibble wibble@vortex.ukshells.co.uk
1144991934 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi
1144991938 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D66C6.dip.t-dialin.net
1144991938 J * matta ~matta@c-69-253-223-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1144991938 J * id23 ~id@p54A0221B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144991938 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-220-183.hive.is
1144991938 J * h01ger ~holger@bone.digitalis.org
1144991938 J * morrigan morrigan@212.16.62.52
1144991938 J * sizo ~janek@sushi.huggz.com
1144991938 J * SNy ef32795f88@bmx-chemnitz.de
1144991938 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124
1144991938 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1144991938 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info
1144991938 J * ray6 ~ray@vh5.gcsc2.ray.net
1144991938 J * Bertl herbert@212.16.62.52
1144991938 J * tokkee tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org
1144991938 J * blackfire blackfire@dp70.internetdsl.tpnet.pl
1144991938 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de
1144991938 J * trasher daniel@derichs.info
1144991938 J * blizz ~blizz@evilhackerdu.de
1144991938 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1144992621 Q * wenchien Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5
1144992641 M * Bertl okay, except for quota the vs2.1.1 for 2.6.17-rc is done ... will fix up this minor issue tomorrow ...
1144992652 J * jesse_ ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1144992664 M * Bertl have a nice whatever everyone ... cya
1144992669 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1144992670 N * jesse_ wenchien
1144993845 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-67-160-146-170.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1144995084 M * Skram hehe
1144997279 J * cdrx ~legoater@70-33-118-80.kaptech.net
1144997301 M * cdrx good morning all
1144997439 J * MrX ~urk@218.208.213.144
1144998467 M * Skram does util-vserver require beecrypt?
1144998661 M * Hollow no, but without you won't be able to use unification
1144998901 M * Skram ill brb in a bit
1144998908 M * Skram need to get a hour or two of sleep
1144999800 J * kilgur user@p50810A62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144999822 M * kilgur hi there
1145000282 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549768F6.dip.t-dialin.net
1145001684 P * kilgur 
1145001859 J * kilgur user@p50810A62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1145001980 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
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1145002650 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.73.54.5
1145003151 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549768F6.dip.t-dialin.net
1145003861 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
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1145004360 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1145004382 M * pagano hi
1145004651 M * kilgur hi
1145005025 Q * MrX Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145005119 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549768F6.dip.t-dialin.net
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1145005258 J * kingruedi ~king@p508B5ED5.dip.t-dialin.net
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1145005767 Q * h01ger Quit: h01ger
1145005800 J * h01ger ~holger@bone.digitalis.org
1145006431 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549768F6.dip.t-dialin.net
1145007586 J * yarihm ~marabut@114.43.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch
1145007799 J * doener ~doener@i5387D818.versanet.de
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1145009933 J * DaKoba ~Hossa@212.110.98.7
1145010187 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 481 seconds
1145010310 Q * VAndreas Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1145011862 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it
1145011879 M * pagano arghhhh!!! I will become crazy!
1145012533 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1145012985 M * cemil hi there
1145012999 M * cemil wb
1145013151 M * cemil I: Base system installed successfully.
1145013151 M * cemil /bin/rm: cannot remove directory `/usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/web01/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy
1145013154 M * cemil rm: cannot remove directory `/usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/web01/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy
1145013157 M * cemil root@srv01:~#
1145013168 M * cemil when i try to install ubunto breezy with vserver build :/
1145013177 M * cemil host is also ubuntu breezy
1145013264 J * Dr4g ~Dr4g@80-195-133-218.cable.ubr06.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
1145013320 M * kilgur cemil: have you tried to check with lsof wheather the file is accessed?
1145013433 M * cemil no
1145013440 M * cemil but - when i try to start it after this error
1145013456 M * cemil http://rafb.net/paste/results/7vu5Jw21.html
1145013459 M * cemil i get this errror
1145013616 M * cemil hmm
1145013621 M * cemil my complete skelton is broken
1145013622 M * cemil strange
1145013739 M * kilgur cemil: did you install binary packages or did you compile everything yourself?
1145013780 M * cemil i used
1145013814 M * cemil sudo vserver web01 build -m debootstrap --hostname web01.nbg.wavecon.de --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.42.10/24 --context 2 -- -d breezy -m http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
1145014149 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-229-042.pools.arcor-ip.net
1145014197 M * kilgur and your host kernel?
1145014243 M * cemil 2.6.16-vs2.0.2-rc16
1145014294 M * cemil when i install debian it works without problems
1145014296 M * cemil (as guest)
1145014298 M * kilgur because i was not able to start the kernel i build from source  when i used ubuntu
1145014330 M * cemil as i said - when i try installing debian with vserver build there are no problems
1145014535 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145014632 M * derjohn ...web01/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy -> I would argue, that something has an open filehandle/device within .static. did the debootstrap try to rm? or did you get up to base-config?
1145014655 M * cemil the debootstrip
1145014661 M * cemil debootstrap
1145014687 M * derjohn bootstrip? /me thinks of grrls in boots only :)
1145014690 M * cemil *g*
1145014706 M * Wonka *rrr*
1145014716 M * cemil derjohn: what kernel did you use for ubuntu as guest?
1145014724 M * cemil or - do you have a working image?
1145014762 M * derjohn my gutest has no kernel ;) on that host I run a 2.6.14-rc < 12 something (self compiled)
1145014782 M * derjohn or, better: linux-vserver.derjohn-de
1145014798 M * derjohn but recently I switched to the debian kernels in sid with run very fine
1145014810 M * derjohn except that they cant have more than 16 IP wihtin a guest
1145014853 M * derjohn cemil, you could try to do a debootstrip manually and move it into a skeleton
1145014884 M * derjohn But I can remember my vubuntu installing without hassles.
1145014978 M * derjohn "fix the spelling of the 'web01' vserver name" --> did you try a non numbered name? (cannot imagine probelms, but ....)
1145014993 M * Wonka wouldn't a debootstrip be a strip that de-booted something?
1145015024 M * derjohn Wonka, imagination is one of human's most wonderful features ;)
1145015052 M * Wonka but sometimes, one still misses the Real THing
1145015073 M * derjohn Wonka, but you are right, i should create an ITP for debootstrip, an util that removes the first 512 byte on the hdd ;)
1145015077 M * Wonka especially if one sees couples everywhere
1145015088 M * derjohn *g*
1145015100 M * Wonka derjohn: leave the partition table!
1145015139 M * derjohn OK ;)
1145015238 Q * blizz Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145015337 J * blizz ~blizz@evilhackerdu.de
1145015495 M * pagano guys, during my adventure with vserver on SLC (like CentoOS) now I have this error:
1145015530 M * pagano uff... too many errors...
1145015567 M * pagano /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.15278: line 1: cp: command not found
1145015584 M * pagano /bin/chown: cannot access `/var/lib/rpm/[A-Z]*': No such file or directory
1145015599 M * pagano kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec]
1145015622 M * pagano ...after a list of rpm installed
1145015652 M * pagano and at the end -->  vcontext: vc_create_context(): File exists
1145015667 M * pagano Failed to start vserver 'vm_slc43'
1145015677 M * pagano 'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting...
1145015720 M * derjohn   vcontext: vc_create_context(): File exists -> sounds like /etc/vservers/vm_slc43/context is already there.. did you try a "2nd install" without --force ?
1145015725 M * pagano help....so that I could create a wiki :)
1145015748 M * pagano no, just a second
1145015821 M * derjohn or maybe you already have an context with the particular id? did you use --context XY with vserver build?
1145015926 M * pagano now I'm trying a new installation 
1145015933 M * pagano with a different name/context
1145015948 M * derjohn pagano, which utils version?
1145015954 M * pagano the last one
1145015959 M * derjohn use the very newest please !
1145015965 M * derjohn .210-rc1x ?
1145015970 M * pagano util-vserver-0.30.210.tar
1145015977 M * pagano right?
1145015978 M * cemil anybody has a working breezy image for my guest?
1145015985 M * derjohn are you sure the distro doesnt come with ow ones?
1145015990 M * derjohn *own
1145015996 M * derjohn vserver --vserion
1145016022 M * pagano no... I'm using a Scientic Linux distro
1145016027 M * pagano a redhat clone
1145016052 M * derjohn well, what does vserver --vsersion on the clown yiu are using?
1145016115 M * pagano vserver 0.30.210 -- manages the state of vservers
1145016165 M * derjohn pagano, sounds good :) which kernel or vs patch? 
1145016176 M * derjohn ans: does testme.sh run?
1145016181 M * pagano [root@vm vserver]# uname -a
1145016181 M * pagano Linux vm.cnaf.infn.it 2.6.16-vs2.0.2-rc16 #1 SMP Thu Apr 13 15:51:31 CEST 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
1145016193 M * derjohn interesting
1145016211 J * matt1 ~matta@c-69-253-223-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1145016255 M * derjohn I run 2.1.1 on 2.6.16 without problems, but tody in the chat you are the second one reporting probelms with 2.6.16/2.0.2-rc16
1145016265 M * derjohn (when building vservers)
1145016270 M * derjohn did you follow the chat?
1145016300 M * pagano uhmm no, yesterday I was here, but last days not
1145016303 M * derjohn pagano,  do errors like this sound familiar: ...web01/dev/.static/dev': Device or resource busy ?
1145016330 M * pagano uhmmm no.
1145016354 M * cemil http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=16013
1145016355 M * derjohn so the setup of you guest went straight up to which point?
1145016387 M * derjohn cemil, you are note alone ;)
1145016418 M * pagano no :(
1145016455 M * derjohn If I were you I would try VS2.1.1 
1145016470 M * pagano util ?
1145016475 M * derjohn nope. kernel.
1145016483 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145016484 M * cemil but its unstable :)
1145016486 M * pagano argh...
1145016498 M * derjohn cemil, no, its experimental !
1145016507 M * pagano oh my god.... :)
1145016509 M * cemil derjohn: the guy writing the bug-report was DEFINITLY uses your faq
1145016511 M * cemil :)
1145016538 M * derjohn cemil, with rc16 a realese is approaching anyway. with rc1 I would not recommend it, but rc16 ....
1145016553 A * derjohn hopes^W votes for a realese at linuxtag 
1145016593 M * derjohn cemil, yes, I am afraid to say so ... but I am not the only one using the 42. and: I have a running breezy! I build it that way!
1145016608 M * cemil so i should use 2.1?
1145016615 M * derjohn the ".static/dev" exists only with udev
1145016644 M * cemil i can try - its no problem
1145016644 M * derjohn maybe you can exclude udev when building breezy  with --exclude option for debootstrap ?
1145016661 M * derjohn udev is of no use for guests anyway
1145016680 M * cemil --exclude "foooo?"?
1145016702 M * derjohn cemil, man debootstrip ;)
1145016715 M * kilgur cemil: I tried your command to install an ubuntu vserver on a suse host.  I did not experience any problems
1145016759 M * derjohn kilgur, cemil, interesting. I used it on sarge. kilgur does you host use udev?
1145016761 M * cemil        --exclude=alpha,beta
1145016761 M * cemil               Comma  separated  list of packages which will be removed from download and
1145016764 M * cemil               extract lists. WARNING: you can and probably will exclude essential  pack‐
1145016767 M * cemil               ages, be careful using this option.
1145016769 M * cemil hmm - so --exclude=udev
1145016770 M * cemil nor?
1145016777 M * derjohn cemil, ACK
1145016805 M * cemil root@srv01:~# vserver web01 build --force -m debootstrap --hostname web01.nbg.wavecon.de --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.42.10/24 --context 42 -- -d breezy -m http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --exclude=udev
1145016809 M * cemil /usr/local/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build: unrecognized option `--exclude=udev'
1145016814 M * cemil :)
1145016816 M * cemil damn fuck
1145016818 M * kilgur derjohn: i think so - how can i check this?
1145016825 M * pagano well, I'm going to try Development Sources 
1145016833 M * derjohn cemil, hehe ..... try vserver web01 build --force -m debootstrap --hostname web01.nbg.wavecon.de --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.42.10/24 --context 42 -- -d breezy -m http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu -- --exclude=udev
1145016836 M * pagano cross your figers
1145016847 M * derjohn pagano, I press all thumbs i have !
1145016855 M * kilgur me too
1145016857 M * cemil ok - now just wait :)
1145016870 M * derjohn at least 7 thumbs presses
1145016889 M * cemil me too
1145016911 M * derjohn cemil, hm? you have only there thumbs (all other count as 3rd leg)=
1145016962 M * cemil btw - you have visit us again - we have a new "vollautomat" ;)
1145016971 M * cemil the old saeco via tezia is brocken
1145016985 M * derjohn cemil, really? cool, what part can I get from your schrott?
1145016993 M * cemil we now have a jura f90 
1145016996 M * derjohn cemil, I need a new brewing unit
1145016998 M * cemil derjohn: you can have the hole machine
1145016999 M * cemil for free
1145017001 M * cemil :)
1145017005 M * cemil its working
1145017009 M * derjohn cemil, I come to fetch it :)
1145017024 M * cemil just one "bug"
1145017030 M * derjohn cemil, which bug?
1145017035 M * cemil if you make coffee... it loss watter on the backside
1145017037 M * cemil not much
1145017040 M * cemil but it sucks
1145017047 M * derjohn on the backside ?
1145017052 M * cemil yes
1145017099 M * cemil as i said - you can have hit
1145017106 M * derjohn I take it. even the hit :)
1145017107 M * cemil the hole technical-part is working
1145017132 M * derjohn sound like from out backbone description ;)
1145017139 M * pagano ok, yesterday I installed another machine
1145017141 M * derjohn cemil, what your build?
1145017161 M * cemil derjohn: build should be finished in few minutes
1145017164 M * cemil http://www.de.jura.com/de/ccde/products_de/products_home/products_f-line/f90_alu-de.htm
1145017167 M * cemil the new machine :)
1145017170 M * pagano so now I'm going to test if also this machiene has the same error
1145017174 A * derjohn get envious
1145017184 M * derjohn pagano, same kernel?
1145017198 M * cemil derjohn: 2 addition parts are arrived yesterday
1145017204 M * cemil a "profi auto cappucino" duese
1145017214 M * cemil and a "milchbehaelter deluxe" :)
1145017224 M * pagano no, .14
1145017225 M * cemil some points are important:
1145017228 M * cemil #
1145017228 M * cemil # Internet Connectivity
1145017229 M * doener internet connectivity?!
1145017232 M * cemil #
1145017232 M * derjohn cemil, milk-foam is for wimps anyway ;)
1145017232 M * cemil # Tassenbeleuchtung
1145017237 M * cemil     * Sensitive Touchscreen Technology©
1145017238 M * cemil :)
1145017246 Q * insomniac Read error: No route to host
1145017247 M * cemil doener: of corse! 
1145017257 M * derjohn cemil, errr please? IP ?
1145017263 M * pagano uname -a
1145017263 M * pagano Linux vm1.cnaf.infn.it 2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0 #1 SMP Thu Apr 13 11:47:50 CEST 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1145017266 M * cemil I: Base system installed successfully.
1145017266 M * cemil root@srv01:~#
1145017266 M * cemil root@srv01:~# vserver web01 stop
1145017266 M * cemil vserver 'web01' is not running
1145017266 M * cemil root@srv01:~# vserver web01 start
1145017268 M * cemil  * Starting system log daemon...
1145017269 J * insomniac ~insomniac@slackware.it
1145017271 M * cemil    ...done.
1145017274 M * cemil  * Starting kernel log daemon...
1145017274 M * doener so you make a rpc to get your coffee?
1145017275 M * derjohn cemil, I may have access to yout WG VPN ;)
1145017276 M * cemil    ...done.
1145017279 M * cemil root@srv01:~#
1145017282 M * cemil damn
1145017283 M * cemil root@srv01:~# vserver web01 enter
1145017283 M * cemil mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted
1145017285 M * cemil root@web01:/#
1145017308 M * derjohn cemil, so it basically starts now?
1145017328 M * cemil yes - i am inside the vserver :)
1145017342 M * pagano arghhhh
1145017346 M * cemil root@srv01:~# vserver-stat
1145017346 M * cemil CTX   PROC    VSZ    RSS  userTIME   sysTIME    UPTIME NAME
1145017346 M * cemil 0       42  50.6M  16.1M   3m07s76   1m16s36   1h35m31 root server
1145017346 M * cemil 42       2   3.2M   936K   0m00s00   0m00s00   1m24s34 web01
1145017352 M * pagano I hate u
1145017360 M * cemil why?
1145017374 M * derjohn /dev/pts/0 -> doenst matter much
1145017374 M * pagano becouse your installation works :)
1145017379 M * cemil :)
1145017385 M * cemil pagano: just the exclude=udev
1145017386 M * cemil not more
1145017398 M * derjohn cemil, pagano was redhat based sys
1145017406 M * pagano infact
1145017411 M * cemil ah
1145017416 M * derjohn cemil, so: no debootstrap (at least not normally)
1145017420 M * pagano on my debian all works fine!
1145017432 M * pagano but on this fuck-distro none...
1145017436 M * derjohn pagano, can You give me your complete  build line? I try it here on my horst 
1145017483 M * derjohn cemil, what foo does want the access to dev/pts/0 ? getty ?
1145017494 M * derjohn cemil, take a differnet one?
1145017498 M * cemil derjohn: dont know - not looked at it
1145017506 A * derjohn thinks about updating FAQ ....)
1145017528 M * pagano /usr/local/vserver/sbin/vserver vm_slc43 build -m yum --hostname HOST --interface domain=eth0:IP --initstyle sysv --context 500 -- -d slc43
1145017549 M * pagano  #./configure --prefix=/usr/local/vserver --sysconfdir=/etc --with-vrootdir=/usr/local/vservers
1145017594 M * derjohn pagano, have a little patience - have to install yum for debian 1st
1145017617 M * derjohn pagano, =/usr/local/vserver != /usr/local/vservers -> intention?
1145017619 M * pagano take your time
1145017631 M * pagano yes, sure
1145017637 M * derjohn k
1145017643 M * pagano there I have some LVM volumes
1145017671 M * derjohn ah, like me ;) (switched to LVM/XFS 2 month ago)
1145017702 M * derjohn pagano, x86 or x86_64 ?
1145017722 M * pagano well done :) also if I have had some problems with XFS so for now I use ext3
1145017726 M * pagano  x86_64
1145017739 M * derjohn pagano, HOST = placeholder or real?
1145017744 M * pagano reak
1145017747 M * pagano real
1145017752 M * derjohn does it resolve?
1145017752 M * pagano public ip
1145017758 M * pagano sure
1145017780 M * derjohn i wonderes about the hostname 'HOST' un uppercas letters i take a diffenrt one.
1145017786 M * pagano a configuration that on debian work perfectly
1145017857 M * pagano nono...HOST stay for a real host
1145017885 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1145017889 M * derjohn pagano, why sysv init?
1145017924 M * pagano becouse I followed these istruction http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1145017930 M * derjohn ok :)
1145017947 M * pagano :)
1145017951 A * derjohn knows nearly nothing about redhattish stuff
1145017986 M * derjohn softi42, does yum know where to get 'slc' repositories ?
1145018011 M * pagano softi42 ?
1145018013 M * pagano sorry?
1145018045 M * derjohn softi42, sorry !
1145018057 M * pagano yum know everything infact it install many rpm...
1145018062 M * derjohn pagano,  does yum know where to get 'slc' repositories ? 
1145018066 M * derjohn ERROR: Can not find configuration for the distribution 'slc43';
1145018095 M * derjohn did you create /etc/vservers/.distributions/ .... ?
1145018116 M * pagano yes yes,,,
1145018180 M * pagano I'm building a new vm so that I can give u all errors
1145018187 M * pagano in http://pastebin.com/
1145018192 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549768F6.dip.t-dialin.net
1145018636 M * derjohn pagano,  does yum know where to get 'slc' repositories ? can you provide the /usr/lib/util-vserver/.distributions foo yiu are using?
1145018663 M * pagano yes, just a minute
1145018710 M * pagano ls /usr/local/vserver/lib/util-vserver/distributions/slc43/
1145018710 M * pagano initpost  initpre  pkgs  yum  yum.repos.d
1145018898 Q * matt1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145018913 M * pagano http://linux-vserver.org/FC4+patched+rpm%27s
1145018935 M * pagano here a yum problem..
1145018973 M * pagano chroot doesn't work proper in original package, fixed with Enrico's util-vserver supplied patch
1145019148 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1145019327 M * pagano ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
1145019330 M * pagano seems work...
1145019335 M * pagano just a minute
1145019371 M * pagano but with some errors.
1145019376 M * pagano please see here
1145019412 M * derjohn pagano, cemil, if chroot doesnt work properly then the insufficient rights when umountsing /dev is explainable :)
1145019432 M * pagano http://pastebin.com/659437
1145019443 M * pagano see here and give me ypur comment please
1145019607 M * cemil why dont install a better distribution?
1145019631 M * cemil :P
1145019633 M * pagano eheh, I must use it for academic purpose
1145019657 M * pagano all european academic place use it
1145019690 M * pagano and also in US (but I'm not sure)
1145019701 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1145019731 M * pagano slc is a rhle fork, and tha manteiner is CERN
1145019771 M * derjohn pagano, will you accelerate electrons with a vserver?
1145019783 M * pagano more or less :)
1145019822 M * derjohn could you point them towards redmont please :) ? 
1145019840 M * pagano electrons I don't know, but improve the load of machine coul be a great success :)
1145019901 M * pagano eheh ok Redmond bye bye
1145019940 M * kilgur *g*
1145019950 M * derjohn pagano, what about the /usr/local/vserver/lib/util-vserver/distributions/slc43/... ? 
1145019976 M * derjohn If I want to reprocude I need you yum sources ....
1145019993 M * pagano sure
1145019999 A * derjohn has no fun in researching slc43 howtos
1145020004 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-40-78.dsl.telesp.net.br
1145020007 M * pagano http://pastebin.com/659437
1145020011 Q * cryo Read error: Connection reset by peer
1145020012 M * pagano here yum.conf
1145020025 M * pagano while yum.repos.d/
1145020034 M * pagano can I send u in mail?
1145020041 J * cryo ~say@psoft.user.matrix.farlep.net
1145020053 M * derjohn pagano, sure
1145020209 M * derjohn cemil, apt-ed a different getty?
1145020262 M * pagano done
1145020269 M * pagano need a cofee
1145020277 M * pagano see u in 10 minute
1145020284 M * derjohn pagano, wait
1145020298 M * pagano yes?
1145020302 M * derjohn I havwe to leave for an hour or so....
1145020314 M * derjohn if you have success pls write me
1145020329 M * derjohn I will setup an slc guest  later
1145020340 M * pagano ok perfect
1145020342 M * derjohn (to reproduce)
1145020347 M * derjohn bye all
1145020355 M * derjohn pagano, have a fine espresso :)
1145020362 M * pagano bye and thanks for your patiente :)
1145020363 M * pagano eheh
1145020387 M * derjohn pagano, and: If you like, join at at linuxtag (germany) 
1145020401 M * derjohn linuxtag == linux' day in German
1145020407 M * pagano yes I know
1145020433 M * pagano but during those days I will stay in Krakow for work
1145020466 M * derjohn pagano, Krakow is very beautiful city .. but no comparison to Linuxtag ;)
1145020482 M * pagano hehe 
1145020595 J * yarihm ~marabut@114.43.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch
1145020716 M * daniel_hozac --installroot _does_ work fine with yum.
1145020736 M * daniel_hozac it's just not completely secure the way Enrico likes it.
1145020753 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. symlink attacks may be possible)
1145020763 Q * Greek0 Quit: leaving
1145020780 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1145021230 M * pagano ohhh, I love espresso
1145022463 Q * BartVB Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145022685 Q * kir Read error: Connection reset by peer
1145023146 Q * kilgur Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com
1145024047 M * h01ger hmmm, my newly created vserver use a 16mb tmpfs partition. i know why, i know how to disable it, but i have no idea how not to have this for newly created vservers (maybe because the manpage for vserver-build is missing here) - /etc/vserver/.default doesnt have anything related... 
1145024155 M * daniel_hozac /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/misc/fstab
1145024179 M * h01ger thx
1145024240 M * h01ger hmpf. thats in /usr/lib - i like not to touch it - no other to configure that ?
1145024389 M * micah h01ger: there are no man pages at all, I hope to write some :P
1145024460 M * h01ger micah, but why does "man vserver" say "see also vserver-build" and others?
1145024695 M * micah h01ger: yes, there are some
1145024725 M * h01ger so there is no other way than editing /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/misc/fstab ?
1145024734 M * micah h01ger: but they are pretty out of date and incorrect (man rebootmgr gives you a description for chbind for example)
1145024735 M * h01ger sure
1145024743 M * micah h01ger: you mean by default?
1145024762 M * micah h01ger: you can change the tmp size per guest by just editting /etc/vservers/<vps>/fstab
1145024764 M * h01ger i can just create /etc/vservers/.defaults/fstab, and this will be taken instead, right ?
1145024777 M * h01ger micah, i want to change the default for new guests...
1145024793 M * micah I have not tried that!
1145024801 M * micah try it and let me know if it works
1145024989 M * h01ger will do in a moment
1145025180 M * daniel_hozac .defaults/fstab should work.
1145025236 Q * mkhl Quit: 
1145025717 M * h01ger daniel_hozac, micah: yes, works
1145025805 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer
1145025818 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1145026322 M * h01ger http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/04/14#20060414-virtual-ipv6
1145026334 M * h01ger (no ipv6 in vserver..)
1145026395 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1145026445 J * Sodium ~Dreamy@85.97.127.114
1145026487 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1145026487 Q * Sodium Quit: 
1145026495 M * Bertl morning folks!
1145026500 M * mnemoc moin Bertl 
1145026548 M * nebuchadnezzar hello
1145026567 M * nebuchadnezzar Is someone working on vserver-copy to make it handle the new configuration scheme
1145026576 M * h01ger moin Bertl :)
1145026635 M * Bertl nebuchadnezzar: there is/was some 'vserver clone' command in daniel_hozac's patches IIR
1145026638 M * Bertl +C
1145026638 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: well, there's http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/util-vserver-0.30.210-clone.patch but it's rather q'n'd.
1145026654 M * pagano hi bertl
1145026676 M * Bertl h01ger: is Harald just complaining or is he interested in discussion?
1145026714 M * pagano Linuxtag will be in english or german ?
1145026749 M * Bertl the entrire event or the hands on presentation?
1145026771 M * pagano both
1145026786 M * pagano say me what u know :-)
1145026792 M * h01ger Bertl, i'm confident Harald would be happy to contribute||discuss...
1145026793 M * Bertl the event itself is mixed, partially german partially english
1145026809 M * Bertl h01ger: do you see _any_ chance to get him here?
1145026842 M * h01ger Bertl, no idea. what would be your reply to his post ? maybe start with a comment in his blog?
1145026850 M * h01ger Bertl, have you interacted with him before?
1145026866 M * Bertl not that I can remember ... doesn't mean much though
1145026919 M * Bertl btw, I don't see _how_ I would comment on that in his blog?
1145026927 M * h01ger ah :(
1145026966 M * h01ger send him a mail then
1145026987 M * Bertl will do so, just wanted to know if you have some kind of contact, as you brought it up
1145026999 M * pagano while vserver presentation?
1145027010 M * pagano english I hope
1145027017 M * Bertl will probably depend on the audience
1145027022 M * pagano arghhh
1145027030 M * Bertl I usually ask the folks prior to my talks
1145027031 M * h01ger Bertl, not really. we talked about video stuff at last years fosdem...
1145027079 M * h01ger (i brought it up, because a.) i read his blog and b.) because i'm interesting in ipv6 and vserver :)
1145027791 M * Roey hey all!
1145027869 M * pagano byeeee
1145027871 Q * pagano Quit: Leaving
1145030300 Q * cdrx Quit: bye
1145030607 J * Venomous Venom-One@host135-92.pool8251.interbusiness.it
1145030619 M * Venomous hi all
1145030631 M * Bertl welcome Venomous!
1145030639 M * Venomous hi bertl how are you?
1145030667 M * Bertl fine, well as fine as I can be early in the morning :)
1145030689 M * Venomous i'm glad to hear this
1145030699 M * Venomous Bertl i have one little problem
1145030699 J * doener_ ~doener@i5387DF29.versanet.de
1145030708 M * Venomous probably you don't remember me
1145030728 M * Venomous anyway i have had 4 vserver running on one host server for about 3 months
1145030744 M * Venomous vserver run really smooth
1145030747 M * Bertl Venomous: if it is important that I remember, I have to scan the irc logs :)
1145030761 M * Venomous no no, you don't need
1145030791 M * Venomous last time you just helped me converting the conf file, and upgrading vserver-tool
1145030809 M * Bertl okay, keep going ...
1145030815 M * Venomous anyay i have a problem with only one virtual server
1145030830 M * Venomous basically i'm not able to shutdown one virtual server
1145030833 M * Venomous it hangs
1145030841 M * Venomous i can't kill process
1145030852 M * Venomous so i have to reboot the host server
1145030853 M * Bertl hmm ... versions
1145030869 M * Venomous wait
1145030873 M * Venomous of vservers?
1145030879 M * Skram does anyone own IP blocks directly from ARIN?
1145030880 M * Venomous ortools?
1145030884 M * Bertl kernel and tools yes
1145030930 M * Venomous Kernel: 2.4.29-vs1.2.10
1145030942 M * Venomous util-vserver: 0.30.209
1145031105 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145031114 M * Bertl hmm, well, you could try with 0.30.210, but I'm not sure that fixes it
1145031128 M * Bertl it's more likely that something inside is running and keeping the guest alive
1145031149 M * daniel_hozac it was a zombie process.
1145031150 M * Bertl recent 2.6 kernels have a special kill feature and methods to handle that, but that won't work on 2.4
1145031153 M * daniel_hozac (IIRC)
1145031159 M * Venomous in fact
1145031165 M * Venomous uhmmm
1145031227 M * Venomous i will try
1145031290 M * Bertl okay, have to run now ... will be back later
1145031291 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1145031327 M * Bertl daniel_hozac, h01ger: if Harald shows up, please let him know that I should be back around midnight
1145031339 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1145031521 A * h01ger nods - if i see him, will do :)
1145032104 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.37.206
1145032542 M * nebuchadnezzar Is there a way to verify that 2 vservers are hashified ?
1145032580 M * daniel_hozac check how many links the files have.
1145032601 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-220-183.hive.is
1145032601 M * daniel_hozac the unified files will have (the number of vservers) + 1 links.
1145032676 M * nebuchadnezzar so unification of 2 vservers make /bin/bash to have 2 as link count, for example
1145032686 M * daniel_hozac no, 3.
1145032695 M * nebuchadnezzar arf
1145032695 M * daniel_hozac because of /vservers/.hash
1145032722 M * Venomous Guys, i must anable socket on a virtual server
1145032745 M * Venomous i'm running a script that needs to open socks
1145032747 M * Venomous in php
1145032754 M * Venomous but right now is not possible
1145032768 M * daniel_hozac why not?
1145032780 M * Venomous i have created a file bcapabilities an inside i have witten CAP_NET_RAW
1145032792 M * Venomous but i'm still not able to ping or open socket
1145032795 M * daniel_hozac that's only needed if you want to sniff traffic.
1145032805 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. raw sockets)
1145032811 M * nebuchadnezzar arf, so I missed something
1145032831 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: are you sure the files are the same? did you vserver ... hashify both of the vservers?
1145032843 M * Venomous so daniel how i can enable the vitual server to open socket?
1145032848 M * nebuchadnezzar arf
1145032855 M * daniel_hozac you don't have to do anything.
1145032857 M * nebuchadnezzar I miss the reference vserver
1145032874 M * daniel_hozac all IPv4 and UNIX sockets are supported out of the box.
1145032882 M * daniel_hozac you don't need a reference vserver for hashification.
1145032885 M * daniel_hozac that's for unification.
1145032896 M * daniel_hozac (they both do the same thing, only differently)
1145032928 M * nebuchadnezzar I create a .hash in the root of 2 vservers
1145032951 M * daniel_hozac are your vservers not on the same filesystem?
1145032960 M * nebuchadnezzar on the same LVM
1145032985 M * Venomous uhmmm
1145032986 M * Venomous wait
1145032991 M * nebuchadnezzar well, one hard drive in fact
1145033006 M * daniel_hozac you should only have one .hash per filesystem.
1145033018 M * daniel_hozac and it should be at the root of that filesystem.
1145033023 M * nebuchadnezzar ok ok
1145033029 M * nebuchadnezzar I understand now
1145033046 M * nebuchadnezzar the doc should say /var/lib/vservers/.hash :-)
1145033074 M * daniel_hozac it should say /vservers/.hash
1145033080 M * daniel_hozac what does it say? which doc?
1145033096 M * nebuchadnezzar it says /verservers
1145033111 M * nebuchadnezzar I miss understand it, my fault
1145033199 M * Venomous hell
1145033216 M * Venomous i have tryed to upgradeto util 0.30.210 withoutluck
1145033224 M * Venomous then i switched back to 209
1145033243 M * Venomous and now within vserver-stat i can't see the nameof one virtual server
1145033255 M * Venomous so i can't enter inside it
1145035942 M * Venomous sorry guys ihave stopped a virtual server
1145035951 M * Venomous no one process is running
1145035969 M * Venomous but vserver-stat still reportit running
1145035975 M * Venomous how i can fix?
1145036292 M * yarihm guys, i've a question. i'm on a vserver and do know that there is another server with multiple vservers on it. If i'm given a list of vservers on both machines, how do i find out (from within my vserver) what other ips are on the same host as i am and what ips are not? it's not that i try to hack someone or something the like, this is for an assessment i'm absolving. i tried with arping, but of course vserver does not provide the CAPs that 
1145036292 M * yarihm are needed for this. arp -a only shows 3 machines, i.e. none of the virtual servers
1145036302 M * yarihm is Bertl_oO away for longer time
1145036358 M * yarihm hmm ... in fact, i am only asked to figure out on which of two systems i'm with my vserver ...
1145036830 M * bonbons you could just compare ping times I guess
1145037230 M * yarihm bonbons, i tried so, but then i found out that i am not on the self machine as myself :) but i found the solution, thanks anyway
1145037392 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-41-105.dsl.telesp.net.br
1145037453 M * nebuchadnezzar does vhashify suffer the same problem that vunify, in http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver it's said that package-mananagement will not work anymore
1145037515 M * daniel_hozac where does it say that?
1145037525 M * nebuchadnezzar at the end
1145037548 M * nebuchadnezzar in the kernel24 to kernel 2.6 transition section
1145037645 M * daniel_hozac that would seem to be something that applies only if you previously used a 2.4 kernel and now upgraded to 2.6 with the same filesystems.
1145037664 M * nebuchadnezzar ok
1145037666 M * nebuchadnezzar thanks a lot
1145037750 M * nebuchadnezzar terrible responsivness of the vserver team :-)
1145037764 A * nebuchadnezzar o O (hope it's the good word)
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1145038307 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@shisha.spb.ru
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1145040353 M * ray6 reee from vienna :)
1145040989 J * the_hydra ~a_mulyadi@202.59.168.5
1145040997 M * the_hydra hello
1145041006 M * the_hydra Bert, are you there?
1145041013 M * daniel_hozac _oO == out of office.
1145041029 M * daniel_hozac he should be back around midnight CEST.
1145041033 M * the_hydra ouff, sorry, I missed that part :)
1145041038 M * the_hydra thanks daniel_hozac
1145041323 J * alexx|ikse ~alexx@86.66.205.169
1145041684 M * h01ger ray6, reee :) 
1145041753 Q * alexx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145041963 M * derjohn h01ger, did you compain somewhere about the debsums things we experienced at linuxhotel?
1145042007 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145042008 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145042459 M * h01ger derjohn, no. i found a very old bug which was closed because of something not yet (maybe still..) implemented
1145042512 J * phedny ~mark@volcano.p-bierman.nl
1145042644 M * derjohn h01ger, :( would be _very_ practial in a forensics case ... wouldnt it be a project do make a wrapper loop which does unpack the debs and stores the fingerprints 'external' ? (as workaround)
1145042672 M * h01ger debian-bts: #66357
1145042690 M * h01ger you can create them after package installation yourself
1145042712 M * h01ger and/or file a bug against debian-policy to make that mandatory for packages
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1145044168 J * crew ~crew@cmb23-37.dial-up.arnes.si
1145044203 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
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1145046135 J * CoBoLt ~countcobo@d54C1F3B4.access.telenet.be
1145046141 M * CoBoLt hi all
1145046159 M * daniel_hozac hello
1145046169 M * CoBoLt how's things daniel_hozac 
1145046190 M * daniel_hozac fine thanks, you?
1145046200 M * CoBoLt a bit tired but fine 
1145046406 M * CoBoLt I have this output when I close one of my vservers 31205 49179 pollux        ?        Ss     0:00 init [6]
1145046422 M * CoBoLt any ideas why anyone?
1145046748 M * CoBoLt oeps
1145046757 M * CoBoLt it appears I am having it on all my vservers
1145046765 M * CoBoLt why is init not shut down properly?
1145046962 M * CoBoLt *shutting
1145047684 J * ReaVe ~x_blah@200.71.131.105
1145047694 P * ReaVe 
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1145047877 J * alexx|ikse ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1145048827 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1145048836 M * Bertl evening folks!
1145048844 M * daniel_hozac evening!
1145048958 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1145049019 M * Bertl welcome in vienna ray6!
1145049075 M * ray6 thanks :)
1145049129 M * ray6 got to find out how long the U3 is active tonight :)
1145049196 M * Bertl check the 'VOR' webpage I pasted you
1145049411 M * gdm hia Bertl, do you have some pointers for reading about memory stuff?
1145049446 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145049460 M * gdm also, is there a way of allowing root@vserver to edit just one file on the host system? - i.e. the firewall scripts file?
1145049468 M * Bertl gdm: in general or specific for Linux-VServer?
1145049498 M * Bertl gdm: hmm, it might be an option to --bind mount a single file into the guest?
1145049516 M * Bertl but in general this will have _several_ security implications
1145049556 M * gdm hmm, ok, that is a good enough answer for me, i think :)
1145049587 M * gdm about the memory stuff - err, so i can write some kind of howto like the vsched one
1145049651 M * Bertl ah, okay, well I think there is nothing except for several explanation I gave on the channel
1145049676 M * Bertl but if you wait a few minutes (until I answered my emails) I'd be happy to explain it once again
1145049775 M * ray6 oh, no trains after 0:30?
1145049787 M * Bertl yeah, that sounds familiar :)
1145049792 M * gdm Bertl: sure, i got lots of time
1145049799 M * Bertl ray6: next one is around 4am
1145049816 M * ray6 hmm, possibly I should use the car :)
1145049832 M * Bertl in the evening or on the weekend you can
1145049854 M * Bertl i.e. parking on saturday and sunday as well as after 8pm is permitted
1145049880 M * Bertl except for the inner city
1145049887 M * ray6 I am currently parking here at the hegg, I risked it from 1800 to 2000 and got no ticket :)
1145050282 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.Org
1145050343 Q * Hollow Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1145051546 M * Bertl so .. where shall I begin (maybe at the beginning? :)
1145051650 M * Bertl when folks talk about Memory, they usually mean the expensive modules they buy and plug into the (typically x86) based machines
1145051658 A * gdm is listending
1145051684 M * Bertl now, while this is really memory, I will refer to that as (physical) RAM 
1145051829 M * Bertl the operating system, in our case Linux handles that physical memory according the the mechanisms the architecture (in this case x86)
1145051836 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1145051864 M * Bertl most architectures used nowadays have the conecpt of virtual memory
1145051927 M * Bertl which basically is _linear_ address space, in units of pages, which can be real pages in memory or just not there
1145051961 M * Bertl the operating system now knows about several types of such pages
1145051988 M * Bertl for example, there is the file system based page, which can be a file or an executable
1145052019 M * Bertl (of course, such a file will usually require several such pages)
1145052043 M * Bertl and, an important detail here is, the pages do not necessarily have to be in RAM
1145052083 M * Bertl then there are anonymous pages, which are used by some application (those are usually read-write)
1145052107 M * Bertl and if there is swapping enabled, those pages can also be written to some swap area
1145052148 M * Bertl now in addition to those types there are a bunch of special pages and methods to handle those pages
1145052178 M * Bertl for example, the so called zero page, which is (at least) a page just containing read-only zeros
1145052210 M * Bertl it will usually be used if you request some memory area from the memory management system (mm)
1145052240 M * Bertl the read-only causes a trap (page fault) once you write to that page, which then will be replaced by actual memory
1145052281 M * Bertl similar happens with shared memory pages, which are basically marked read-only and copied on write
1145052318 M * Bertl pages which get swapped out (to swap space) will not be freed immediately, they are kept as swap cache
1145052344 M * Bertl similar happens to file caches (inode cache)
1145052370 M * Bertl they are marked as 'unused' but will not be freed until somebody requires a page
1145052391 M * Bertl now on x86, the total addressable space is 4GB
1145052413 M * Bertl and this is also the maximum of virtual address space an application (or the kernel) can see
1145052422 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.Org
1145052482 M * Bertl to simplify transition of memory from userspace to kernelspace, the address space is divieded between kernel and userspace
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1145052523 P * mef 
1145052648 M * Bertl gdm: any questions so far?
1145052672 M * gdm sorry Bertl, the fone just rang. i'm off now
1145052676 A * gdm catching up
1145052800 M * gdm right, i think i understand that. but i'm not sure about it fromteh other perspective - i.e. what happens when i run a program.
1145052824 M * gdm so, say i run something - editing a text file, for example (something simple to start with)
1145052851 M * gdm then that will use some pages to keep track of what i am doing, correct?
1145052863 M * Bertl that's actually quite complex, maybe lets start with something like 'true' first :)
1145052871 M * gdm ok :)
1145052895 M * Bertl let's further assume the binary is not compiled dynamically but static and fits into 4k
1145052903 M * gdm ok
1145052919 M * Bertl and it does not have any data section, (usually not true, but that's simpler :)
1145052973 M * Bertl now when it is execute, the kernel 'maps' the executable into memory, and creates an userspace task, with a stack page and starts executing the just mapped memory
1145052983 M * Bertl *executin
1145052985 M * Bertl +g
1145052991 M * gdm yep
1145053029 M * Bertl the file will be read into real memory, marked as read-only but executable and it will be added to the inode cache
1145053056 M * Bertl the virtual address will be at some fixed address coded into the executable
1145053085 M * Bertl and it will call the kernel via syscalls requesting things like exit()
1145053087 M * gdm when you say "real memory", you mean RAM?
1145053091 M * Bertl yes
1145053106 M * gdm ok, i follow
1145053123 M * Bertl when you execute it a second time, the file is already in the inode cache, so all that happens is a new mapping into the virtual adress space of that task
1145053156 M * Bertl now, I mentioned that the address space is shared by userspace and kernel
1145053178 M * Bertl typically the split is 3/1 where userspace gets 3GB 'space' and the kernel only 1GB
1145053202 M * Bertl the split patches and recent changes to mainline allow for other splits too 2/2 1/3
1145053207 M * gdm yeah, i've seen that, i think: the kernel gets the first 1GB
1145053222 M * Bertl no, actually it has the upper area
1145053236 M * gdm ahh, ok. so userspace first.
1145053240 M * Bertl so while userspace starts at 0
1145053251 M * Bertl the ekrnel starts at 0xc0000000
1145053262 M * Bertl which is 3GB
1145053277 M * gdm what kind of number is that? - hexidecimal??
1145053282 M * Bertl yes
1145053290 M * gdm ok
1145053301 M * Bertl now usually this leads to the question: but what if I have only 1GB of RAM?
1145053325 M * Bertl and the answer is simple, it will still be 3GB userspace and 1GB kernel space
1145053352 M * Bertl as I mentioned before, the virtual space does not have to be backed by _any_ real RAM
1145053366 M * gdm right - and not swap either, i guess
1145053394 M * Bertl you could for example fill the entire 3GB space with mappings of the zero page, using only a single 4k RAM area at _any_ location
1145053440 M * Bertl this also means that a physical address can be mapped at different virtual addresses
1145053460 M * Bertl and of course several times, even in the same task space
1145053479 M * Bertl also, the 3GB (or actually 4GB) address space is per process
1145053491 M * Bertl so the processes do not have to share that space in any way
1145053558 M * Bertl now to get back to your editor example
1145053572 M * Bertl this will cause a) the executable pages to be mapped somewhere
1145053598 M * Bertl and b) the file you 'open' to be mapped too (which willbe done via the inode cache)
1145053617 M * Bertl then it will require stack and data pages to do the actual work (editing)
1145053644 M * Bertl and it will request a writeback to the file, which will make those pages buffer caches for write back I/O
1145053645 M * gdm ok
1145053662 M * Bertl which in turn might update the inode cache once it is written
1145053688 M * Bertl if, for some reason, the editor is very large (i.e has many executable pages)
1145053718 M * Bertl it might happen that when you are low on physical ram (or the swap system is tuned to do optimistic swap out) that some pages
1145053739 M * Bertl of your editor (which are not used right now) will simply be dropped
1145053755 M * Bertl and some of the data pages (editor memory) will be swapped out
1145053805 M * Bertl now as you can see the relation between processes and physical RAM is not straight and simple :)
1145053819 M * micah this may be stupid, but why isn't the virtual memory size equivalent to the available physical memory and swap space? It seems it is larger than the hardware can handle (unless you have 4gigs of physical memory)
1145053859 M * Bertl micah: yes, that is right, but let me answer that with another question:
1145053865 M * micah but I guess when you say 3gigs of virtual memory, its more of a page of pointers or something, rather than actual memory
1145053870 M * gdm yes, i wonder that too. also, what is it made from? - what if the hard drive is full, for example
1145053887 M * Bertl why is an int 32bit and not just ld(N) ?
1145053904 M * gdm oh, /me doesn't understand that question, Bertl 
1145053926 M * Bertl i.e. to represent the value 20 you need just 5 bits
1145053945 M * Bertl why 'waste' 32 bits for that?
1145053995 M * gdm ahh, ok
1145054003 M * Bertl IMHO the answer is simple and straight forward: the hardware has to have certain limits, for the int this is 32bit
1145054012 M * Bertl for the address space that is 4GB on x86
1145054028 M * micah its because the size of the word depends on the architecture
1145054056 M * micah is that due to the instruction set on the CPU itself?
1145054080 M * Bertl well, actually the 32bit address space and the MMU
1145054106 M * Bertl 2^32 = 4294967296 = 4GB
1145054124 M * Bertl the x86_64 has a much larger address space
1145054141 M * Bertl (as it is 64bit based) and the MMU there usually has 48bits at least
1145054178 M * gdm so, i have a question. if there's more than 4 gigs, does that mean it is or isn't used?
1145054182 M * Bertl as I said before, a mapping is required between virtual adresses and phyiscal ram
1145054197 M * micah gdm: the dreaded HIGHMEM support
1145054212 M * Bertl gdm: without 'dirty' tricks (read PAE) 4GB is the maximum on x86
1145054230 M * micah gdm: its my understanding that to access those >4gigs you do so at a cost, so its slower
1145054231 M * Bertl I didn#t mention the highmem yet, which is a special case below the 4GB
1145054249 M * gdm ok, we can leave it for later, that's not a problem
1145054253 M * micah but perhaps this is getting ahead of things
1145054275 M * Bertl even with 4GB RAM, the kernel can only address 1GB (in the default split) directly
1145054321 M * Bertl the thing here is, changing the mapping from virtual to physical memory is expensive
1145054365 M * Bertl and a kernel which can address 1GB will have to reserve a certain area for mapping in and out the remaining 3GB (on a 4GB system)
1145054388 M * Bertl this mapping window, where the 'high' memory pages are mapped in and out is called high mem
1145054419 M * Bertl so with the default 3/1 split, you can get roughly 970MB of memory 
1145054440 M * Bertl even with 2GB RAM this will not change
1145054472 M * Bertl only enabling  the dynamic mapping (highmem) will give you access to that
1145054497 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-41-105.dsl.telesp.net.br
1145054759 M * gdm you said the virtual memory isn't backed by RAM, but is it backed by anything?
1145054780 M * Bertl sometimes, depends on the mapping
1145054791 M * micah so how does this all map onto VSZ and RSS (in vserver stats) or VIRT/RES/SHR in top "stats"
1145054820 M * gdm i mean, the computer must keep track of it somewhere: is it all just in the cpu, or on the harddrives, or a combination?
1145054844 M * Bertl good questions, and well, they are simply answered for a task
1145054867 M * Bertl the VSZ for a task is the amount of pages which have a mapping
1145054886 M * Bertl and the RSS (resident set size) is the amount of pages which are currently in RAM
1145054896 M * micah physical
1145054901 M * Bertl yep
1145054921 M * Bertl sec, phone here ...
1145054925 M * gdm sure
1145054925 M * micah VSZ=VIRT, RSS=RES I assume
1145054938 M * gdm micah, that's how i've been interpreting it
1145054940 M * micah and shared is memory that is mapped between two applications
1145055074 M * Bertl now, this accounting is a little more problematic if you want to do it for, let's say two processes
1145055102 M * Bertl first, what do you do about the adress space? look for identical mappings and count them only once
1145055111 M * Bertl or take the maximum of both?
1145055124 M * Bertl or just add them up
1145055151 M * Bertl and even more complicated for the RSS
1145055176 M * Bertl because we can have, shared RAM (e.g. inode caches, executables)
1145055187 M * Bertl and we can have shared but copy on write pages
1145055200 M * Bertl we can also have purely anonymous pages
1145055314 M * gdm that don't belong to any process?
1145055326 M * Bertl no, that only belong to a single task
1145055344 M * Bertl but yes, actually shared memory can belong to _no_ task
1145055361 M * gdm ahh, yes, i just read back and saw that you said they belong to an application or something
1145055372 M * gdm so, a single task
1145055382 M * Bertl now, linux-vserver tries to be as unintrusive as possible here
1145055398 M * Bertl and of course, we try to keep it simple and efficient too
1145055423 M * Bertl so what we do is mainly accounting the allocations and deallocations of those pages per context
1145055425 M * gdm yes, seems like it is pretty successful at that
1145055460 M * Bertl which gives values (and if limited limits) which might not be directly mappable to physical RAM
1145055482 M * Bertl (or swap space, which we didn't even mention yet :)
1145055512 M * Bertl we decided to 'simply add up' the address space of all tasks and call that VM/AS
1145055553 M * gdm right - virtual memory pages (total)
1145055562 M * Bertl we also decided not to account the shared pages special as OVZ does, instead we simply add them up in separate counters
1145055628 M * Bertl a currently missing accounting/limit is the swap space
1145055661 M * Bertl because accounting the swap space properly would require to 'tag' each memory page to know to which context it belongs
1145055698 M * Bertl which is something I don't want to do without good reason, as there are a) many pages and b) this stuff is really performance critical
1145055794 M * gdm i guess it wouldn't matter if swap got totally used, tho, as long as you can keep some space in the "real" memory
1145055799 M * gdm ie the RAM
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1145055832 M * gdm hmm.. Bertl thanks :) i think i need to sit down and re read over everything and try to make sure i understand so far
1145055839 M * gdm and then probably come back and ask more questions
1145055859 M * Bertl okay, you're welcom!
1145055885 M * gdm i'll try and sort it out whilst i'm doing that, too, and stick it on the wiki
1145055922 M * Bertl okay, will provide feedback and corrections ...
1145055949 M * micah yeah its not simple, at all... even with pictures its hard to understand, there isn't very good documentation out there about this
1145055972 M * micah its only: read the source, luke, documentation :)
1145056049 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-204-103.pools.arcor-ip.net
1145056149 M * Bertl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_management
1145056172 M * Bertl http://linux-mm.org/
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1145056528 M * CoBoLt I'm off
1145056531 M * CoBoLt night guys
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1145057379 M * nebuchadnezzar hi
1145057380 M * nebuchadnezzar :-)
1145057388 M * Bertl hi
1145057430 M * nebuchadnezzar Is there a _best practice_ in vserver network configuration to allow some vservers to be visible from internet ?
1145057450 M * nebuchadnezzar the doc I found use private network and MASQUERADE
1145057451 M * Bertl hmm, give them a public ip?
1145057471 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: ok, on eth0 or eth0:something ?
1145057485 M * Bertl if that is your public interface, yes
1145057525 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, so eth0, with a public IP/prefix
1145057528 M * Bertl some providers have vlans, others bonding, even others combine those
1145057546 M * Bertl so it can as well be eth0.10 or bond0 or bond0.20
1145057575 M * nebuchadnezzar no vlan, nor bonding
1145057611 M * nebuchadnezzar 2 vservers can not _share_ the same IP ?
1145057628 M * nebuchadnezzar one for ftp and one for DNS, on the same IP
1145057631 M * Bertl they can, but services will have to compete
1145057650 M * Bertl i.e. apache started on guest A will block apache on guest B
1145057655 M * nebuchadnezzar no competition assured :-)
1145057669 M * Bertl a more general setup is with SNAT/DNAT and private ips
1145057704 M * nebuchadnezzar hmm, if 2 vservers share the same IP, if one is stoped, the IP is removed from eth0
1145057712 M * nebuchadnezzar isn't it ?
1145057718 M * Bertl depends on the config
1145057732 M * Bertl if you specify a 'dev' entry, then yes
1145057746 M * nebuchadnezzar and with nodev it's ok
1145057750 M * Bertl if you specify 'nodev' then nothing will be created or removed
1145057781 M * nebuchadnezzar I must manually assign the IP to the vserver with chbind
1145057803 M * Bertl no, the ip/prefix entries will do that for you
1145057828 M * nebuchadnezzar arf, I miss understood the "nothing will be created or removed"
1145057857 M * nebuchadnezzar thanks a lot Bertl, and sorry to oblige you to respond one more time to the same questions :-)
1145057875 M * Bertl np, you're welcome!
1145058247 M * ray6 reefromthe hotel,and night :)
1145058338 M * nebuchadnezzar I think it's not normal not having the eth0 with the IP in the vserver
1145058397 M * Bertl you ahve it, just ifconfig is 6 years old
1145058404 M * Bertl (so what do you expect :)
1145058458 M * nebuchadnezzar arf
1145058746 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: many thanks Bertl, if I meet you one day I pay you a beer
1145058747 M * nebuchadnezzar :-)
1145058781 M * Bertl okay
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