1144714210 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144714518 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1144715049 M * Bertl have to get something to eat, brb
1144715415 Q * kingruedi Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1144716011 J * mattha ~after@d158.nexlink.net
1144716036 Q * mattha Quit: 
1144716081 J * KoP ~after@ns1.bosrap.com
1144716212 M * Bertl welcome KoP!
1144716281 M * brc weird got a kernel panic
1144716295 M * Bertl ah?
1144716340 Q * mkhl Quit: 
1144716355 M * brc maybe because i forgot to load the new modules, i am using the old ones
1144716971 M * Bertl maybe switch to a monolithic kernel for testing ..
1144717094 M * brc would that be better ?
1144717105 M * Bertl well, probably easier to handle/update
1144717106 M * brc i loaded the correct modules and now it is working fine
1144717112 M * brc that's true
1144717120 M * Bertl and it would avoid loading the wrong modules :)
1144717137 M * brc better to restart all the proccess? Cause i think there is just one step left, the new patched kernel
1144717163 M * Bertl ah, well, we will have _many_ new patched kernels
1144717173 M * Bertl i.e. it will be an integral process
1144717184 M * Bertl but let's compare the results so far
1144717212 M * brc Ok no problem, let's see this output and i will recompile both of them tomorrow. Now that ccache has cached stuff i hope it will be faster
1144717221 M * brc and i will get otehr machines on the distcc cluster :P
1144717239 M * Bertl sounds good to me
1144718130 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144718877 M * brc back
1144718878 M * brc sorry for the delay
1144718882 M * Bertl np
1144718883 M * brc one of my servers just crashed
1144719113 M * brc Bertl: i've uploaded the files
1144719122 M * brc i have to check why the "files" are getting different
1144719132 M * Bertl probably because of offsets
1144719147 M * brc i mean, it says that the user has 4 files on the first and 5 on the second
1144719155 M * brc and there is lot of output from diff, when we shouldn't have any
1144719158 M * brc i am goign to fix that tomorrow
1144719165 M * Bertl okay
1144719216 Q * unui Remote host closed the connection
1144719239 J * unui_ ~unui@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1144719353 M * brc From what you saw, am i on the right direction  ?
1144719389 M * Bertl yes, if you get it right regarding the diffs
1144719411 J * matta ~matta@71.224.125.126
1144719415 M * Bertl you might also reduce the number for the loop somewhat
1144719462 M * KoP How can I limit bandwidth with tc and monitorate it?
1144719495 M * Bertl http://lartc.org/
1144719496 M * brc ok going to do that.
1144719504 M * brc bertl , i am going to sleep. too late
1144719510 M * brc Tomorrow i will have all those stuff ready for you.
1144719512 M * brc good night!
1144719513 M * Bertl okay, good night then ...
1144719556 M * brc last thing before i sleep
1144719559 M * brc what could make a box crash ?
1144719567 M * Bertl heh, many things
1144719572 M * brc it crashed as if the CPU was too loaded
1144719579 M * brc maybe trashing ?
1144719592 M * Bertl starts with hardware issues (overheating, power, etc) and ends with buggy software
1144719620 M * Bertl usually you should get a kernel panic on the console, which will tell you a little more
1144719627 M * brc pings were being answered , hosts and guests daemons still had their ports opened but wouldn't answer anything
1144719642 M * Bertl of course, if it is a hardware issue, you will not identify it that easily from the trace
1144719648 M * brc that's the problem about dedicated, no console to give me a hint
1144719676 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144719687 M * Bertl if you have at least 2 machines there, you can daisy chain serial ports and have a console
1144719918 M * brc good idea, gonna ask for that
1144721059 Q * |coocoon| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1144721115 M * KoP pls, I need something for manage and control vservers
1144721149 M * Bertl what do you mean?
1144721167 M * Bertl the vserver command usually manages guests
1144721184 M * KoP something to see all processes, disk usage, memory usage..
1144721215 M * Bertl vserver-stat, vdlimit, cat /proc/virtual/<xid>/limits
1144721229 M * Bertl vps auxww and vtop
1144721268 M * KoP hmm..
1144721279 M * KoP exist something like this coded in php?
1144721327 M * Bertl IIRC some folks started the OpenVPS stuff
1144721341 M * Bertl not sure what that can do right now and if it is still maintained
1144721797 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net
1144721804 M * Bertl welcome comfrey!
1144722004 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-150.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1144722192 M * Bertl welcome Aiken_!
1144722347 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144722439 M * Aiken_ hello
1144722485 M * Bertl everything fine?
1144722593 M * Aiken_ the alpha is still going after that patch to improve benchmark results in a guest
1144722728 M * Aiken_ have there any problems reported with cow?
1144722736 Q * KoP Quit: Conecte-se por /server irc.viairc.com.br
1144722746 M * Bertl not yet, do you want to report anything?
1144722755 M * Aiken_ I did a have a problem I have not managed to duplicate yet
1144722767 M * Aiken_ nothing to report unless I can duplicate it
1144722782 M * Bertl what kind of issue?
1144722797 M * Aiken_ I rm -rf the guests and when I went to update some files in the master image I couldn't
1144722831 M * Aiken_ I had to clear the attributes for those files before I could do anything to them
1144722859 M * Bertl hmm, that seems fine actually
1144722875 M * Bertl the master will keep the attributes (immutable and such)
1144722887 M * Bertl but the files will lose the CoW ability
1144722896 M * Bertl (when link count < 2)
1144722965 M * Aiken_ rm -f <file> was failing
1144722996 Q * softi42 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144722998 M * Bertl with permission denied I'd guess
1144723543 J * softi42 ~softi@p549D6962.dip.t-dialin.net
1144724001 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144724410 M * ray6 ah, ree bertl :)
1144724420 M * Bertl wb ray6!
1144724579 M * ray6 bertl: I'm answering the eh-guy in the moment, will set you CC. I'll suggest a slot on Sunday evening if that's OK with you? (there's one just after FreeBSD Jails in the moment :)
1144724618 M * Bertl yep, sounds good
1144725622 M * ray6 so mail sent
1144725624 M * ray6 mal sehen
1144725814 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax8-169.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1144725897 M * ray6 Bertl: hope it was OK with you to declare VServer as "jails for linux"? :>
1144725914 M * Bertl it's fine for me, serge might object though :)
1144726137 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144726886 M * ray6 ok. n8 for now. 
1144726901 M * Bertl night!
1144727565 M * ray6 oh, its snowing here
1144729922 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1144729940 M * Bertl welcome alexx!
1144730050 M * alexx welcome Bertl :)
1144730404 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1144732051 M * Hollow morning
1144732088 M * Hollow Bertl: what's the difference between NOFILE and OPENFD?
1144732109 M * Bertl one is the file descriptors, the other the file structures
1144732109 Q * unui_ Quit:  
1144732196 M * Hollow ok, just wondered if one of these was a leftover from legacy
1144732242 M * Bertl no, all brand new :)
1144732278 M * Hollow hm, what about a kconfig cleanup before the release(s)?
1144732294 M * Hollow i mean the legacy option
1144732304 M * Bertl we'll see
1144734492 M * Bertl okay, off for tonight ... have a good one everyone .. cya tomorrow!
1144734497 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1144735602 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
1144735603 Q * wenchien Remote host closed the connection
1144735620 J * wenchien ~wenchien@221-169-69-23.adsl.static.seed.net.tw
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1144736821 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1144739737 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1144739939 J * cdrx ~legoater@70-33-118-80.kaptech.net
1144741303 N * BobR_afk BobR
1144741317 N * BobR BobR_afk
1144741384 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144741403 M * |coocoon| morning to all
1144741422 M * ||Cobra|| morning 
1144741975 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1144743467 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1144743746 N * BobR_afk BobR
1144744139 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-048.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1144745372 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144746006 M * sizo moin
1144747127 J * id23 ~id@p54A00FA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144747144 M * id23 hi #vserver
1144747288 N * BobR BobR_afk
1144747786 J * DavidS ~david@vpn.uni-ak.ac.at
1144747807 M * DavidS funny thing, I can establich tcp connections from a vserver without interfaces ...
1144749123 J * cryo ~say@psoft.user.matrix.farlep.net
1144750725 M * lilalinux_ hey guys
1144750746 M * lilalinux_ any idea what to use instead of base-config when installing debian in a vserver?
1144750879 M * waldi do it by hand?
1144750929 J * the_hack_webber ~thw@masq-0ac901.wittig-technologies.com
1144751103 Q * cryo Remote host closed the connection
1144751104 Q * |coocoon| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1144751229 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-194.lhi.is
1144751425 M * lilalinux_ waldi: i tried, but i can't remember all things base-config does
1144751447 M * lilalinux_ e.g. I have no /etc/shadow
1144751483 M * waldi shadowconfig on
1144751502 M * lilalinux_ well, that would help for _that_ problem
1144751514 M * lilalinux_ what else does base-config do?
1144751521 M * lilalinux_ I don't want to miss something
1144751606 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-242-153.pools.arcor-ip.net
1144751808 J * cryo ~say@psoft.user.matrix.farlep.net
1144751911 M * waldi setup clock, user and mta
1144751913 M * waldi and apt
1144752002 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144752299 M * lilalinux__ how do i configure that I want md5 passwords?
1144752547 J * matt1 ~matta@71.224.125.126
1144752835 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144752838 M * h01ger lilalinux__, shadowconfig on
1144752845 M * h01ger (as root in a shell)
1144754537 J * matta ~matta@71.224.125.126
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1144754892 Q * matt1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144754929 Q * cdrx Read error: Connection reset by peer
1144755155 J * id23 ~id@p54A03254.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144755520 J * cdrx ~legoater@70-33-118-80.kaptech.net
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1144756520 N * BobR_afk BobR
1144756546 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-174-65.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1144757603 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144758008 J * kingruedi ~king@p508B7DB2.dip.t-dialin.net
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1144758724 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144759401 J * _coocoon_ ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144759401 Q * |coocoon| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1144759524 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1144760901 J * id23 ~id@p54A03254.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1144762416 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144762658 J * matt1 ~matta@71.224.125.126
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1144762975 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144763001 J * restill ~restill@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1144763105 M * restill lo
1144763108 M * daniel_hozac hi
1144763201 Q * matt1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144763369 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-51-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1144763376 M * restill I got the nvidia driver to work with 2069.  All is good.
1144763409 M * restill now my dvd burner is jact up.
1144763967 M * TheSeer with 2069???
1144763971 M * TheSeer wtf is 2069?
1144763985 M * TheSeer *scratch head*
1144764076 M * restill kernel-smp-2.6.16-1.2069_FC4.vs2.0.2.0.rc15.1.x86_64.rpm
1144764166 M * TheSeer aaaah
1144764445 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144764885 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
1144765509 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1144765683 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.73.54.5
1144766151 N * BobR BobR_oO
1144767087 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1144767440 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1144767447 M * Bertl morning folks!
1144767500 M * phreak`` morning Bertl 
1144767627 M * brc bertl, good morning. i alreayd at work :)
1144767666 M * Bertl excellent!
1144767997 M * nebuchadnezzar lo
1144768004 M * nebuchadnezzar how are you today ?
1144768183 M * Bertl barely awake :)
1144768574 M * nebuchadnezzar ok,
1144768614 M * nebuchadnezzar I have a question: how many vserver can we use on a single host, celeron 2GHz 512Mo RAM ?
1144768620 M * nebuchadnezzar do you have some ideas ?
1144768633 M * Bertl the typical types, probably roughly 50 or so
1144768646 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, thanks a lot
1144768696 M * nebuchadnezzar I never use more than 10
1144768697 M * nebuchadnezzar :-)
1144768716 M * nebuchadnezzar just for network testing
1144768731 M * Bertl well, even 10 might be too many if they use a lot of memory or CPU, but usually it will be quite fine
1144769045 J * bogna Bogner@192.116.240.34
1144769046 M * bogna Halo!
1144769049 M * bogna yaz y halo
1144769062 M * bogna can i speak to mr vserver plz ?
1144769067 A * bogna slaps Bertl around a bit with a large trout
1144769076 M * bogna I have a questionah
1144769637 M * Bertl welcome bogna!
1144769663 M * Bertl bogna: see topic :)
1144770527 Q * samuel_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144770602 J * dearaujo ~dan@pixpat.austin.ibm.com
1144770787 M * Bertl welcome dearaujo!
1144771086 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144771284 J * Alissa ali@151.81.8.240
1144771293 M * Alissa hi all
1144771297 M * daniel_hozac hello
1144771308 M * Bertl welcome Alissa!
1144771315 M * Alissa Hi Bertl =)
1144771318 M * Alissa =*
1144771370 M * Alissa uhmmm... vserver_mknod is not included on the utils package?
1144771389 M * daniel_hozac why would such a utility be required?
1144771486 M * Alissa daniel_hozac I using a marlok script for a create the vserver
1144771488 M * Alissa ^^"
1144771560 J * phedny ~mark@volcano.p-bierman.nl
1144771873 M * Bertl Alissa: shouldn't it be part of that script/package then?
1144771916 M * Alissa Bertl I not found this =/
1144771939 M * Alissa www:~/util-vserver-0.30# locate vserver_mknod
1144771941 M * Alissa www:~/util-vserver-0.30#
1144771994 M * daniel_hozac you might want to try grep -Hr.
1144772107 M * Alissa daniel_hozac ?!?
1144772165 M * daniel_hozac grep -Hr vserver_mknod ~/util-vserver-0.30
1144772171 M * Bertl or at least updatedb
1144772224 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1144772298 M * Alissa nope =/
1144772465 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US.TO
1144772632 M * Hollow Bertl, daniel_hozac: fyi, vcd is now able to login, manage users, acl and guest config vial xmlrpc, i have also updated the vcd spec to document these methods (http://home.xnull.de/work/vserver/vcd.spec.html)
1144772648 M * daniel_hozac wow, nice.
1144772667 M * Hollow yes, _much_ code the last days
1144772669 M * Hollow :)
1144772677 M * Bertl yeah, nice indeed!
1144772690 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.37.206
1144772695 M * Hollow bonbons: ah right in time
1144772706 M * Bertl btw, I had contact with somebody doing a similar daemon for UML
1144772712 M * bonbons Hi Hollow, hi Bertl
1144772712 M * Hollow bonbons: pasting again: fyi, vcd is now able to login, manage users, acl and guest config vial xmlrpc, i have also updated the vcd spec to document these methods (http://home.xnull.de/work/vserver/vcd.spec.html)
1144772754 M * Bertl and I thought it might be a good idea to make some kind of contact between you folks
1144772756 M * bonbons Hollow: will need to find out what is/should be done where before starting to code :)
1144772762 M * Alissa Hollow cool! ;)
1144772767 M * Hollow bonbons: yes, sure ;)
1144772820 M * Hollow Bertl: about what kind of collaboration have you thought?
1144772836 M * nebuchadnezzar Is there a way to set HOME when entering a vserver ?
1144772843 M * nebuchadnezzar automatically ?
1144772863 M * daniel_hozac why's acl_list a string? the _list would seem to imply an array, IMHO.
1144772863 M * Hollow nebuchadnezzar: hm.. in /etc/profile?
1144772881 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: for users other than root?
1144772893 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: well, since it is stored as a string seperated by ',' it was easier :)
1144772922 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: both
1144772944 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: no atomicity of values there, huh? :)
1144773011 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: you mean make it the cwd or just set $HOME? because the latter should already be done for root.
1144773044 M * Hollow guess not ;) but for simplicity i started doing it this way, but all this xmlrpc is so easy, so it shouldn't be hard to transform the into an array
1144773102 M * Bertl Hollow: nothing special, just chatting a little and exchanging thoughts
1144773147 M * Bertl basically this guy has some kind of web frontend running too, which communicates with the daemon to allow issuing commands (even console) via web/javascript
1144773148 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: no way to rename users?
1144773158 M * Hollow yeah, why not.. i'm already working with a gentoo dev and two of his mates doing the client side of things..
1144773186 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: hm, no.. but as i said.. xmlrpc is so easy.. a matter of 1 minute ;)
1144773195 M * daniel_hozac hehe :)
1144773233 M * Hollow *nods* i hope i got the base right, but it works amazing well :P
1144773246 M * daniel_hozac do you really need to expose xids to the higher layers?
1144773272 M * daniel_hozac it would seem like the sort of thing the daemon and the kernel can use internally.
1144773291 M * Hollow heh, i asked that myself... i'm not sure, depends on the client side of things... i.e. should even the local admin on the console use xmlrpc etc..
1144773340 M * Bertl btw, IIRC, he is using rpc (not xmlrpc though)
1144773372 M * Hollow hm, 'just' rpc could be anything.. even soap is rpc :)
1144773416 M * Hollow even the xmlrpc library in v-u supports 3 different slangs of rpc
1144773417 M * Bertl well, don't blame me, I'm just trying to make a contact here :)
1144773421 M * Hollow heh
1144773575 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975420.dip.t-dialin.net
1144773707 M * restill has anyone had a problem with cdrecord since rc14.1smp  ?
1144773799 M * Alissa uhmmmm.. the marlow.dk scripts do not work on the 2.6.x kernel =°°°
1144773799 J * Ljungbacka ~ljungback@nl117-191-93.student.uu.se
1144773803 A * Alissa :cry:
1144773985 M * Alissa Bertl, exists one script that creates the vserver on kernel 2.6?
1144773988 M * Alissa =/
1144774071 M * Bertl yes, the vserver tools (util-vserver) do that
1144774093 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/alpha+util-vserver
1144774118 A * ray6 's away. bbl :)
1144774330 A * SiD3WiNDR pokes bonbons 
1144774348 M * SiD3WiNDR where did you get on the v6 support?
1144774424 M * Bertl Alissa: something like:
1144774435 M * Bertl     * vserver foo build -m debootstrap --hostname vs.foo.org --netdev eth0 --interface 192.168.3.1/21 --context 42 -- -d sarge -m ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
1144774449 M * Bertl that will build the guest (from network) for you
1144774459 M * Alissa Bertl and for other distro? ;)
1144774470 M * Alissa fedora core, redhat, slack, gentoo?
1144774495 M * Hollow http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml
1144774540 M * Alissa Hollow this is a howto for a Gentoo pc... I have a Debian pc =P
1144774555 M * Alissa (I know this howto ^^)
1144774569 M * Hollow well, it is pretty easy..
1144774591 M * Hollow build a skeleton with util-vserver, download vserver stage3, extract it to vdir
1144774807 M * bonbons SiD3WiNDR: not progressing very much because of time-availability issues - but I hope I can change that soon
1144775066 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org
1144775123 M * Bertl Alissa: really depends, on debian most rpm build methods do not work (yet)
1144775139 M * Bertl Alissa: but of course, copying a template works always on any distro
1144775167 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: any reason you didn't make vserver-new a vserver ... build -m target?
1144775206 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: well, with yum in testing/unstable, that might change?
1144775212 M * Hollow yeah, at that time i had absolutely no clue about the u-v mess :P
1144775224 M * daniel_hozac ah, hehe :)
1144775377 M * Bertl here some addon info (from h01ger):
1144775379 M * Bertl the whole unified RPM/DEB boostrap tool issue may have been solved by another tool here at progeny <criswe1l> in fact, we may have accidentally made a unified RPM/DEB/SLACK bootstrapping tool
1144775383 M * nebuchadnezzar is it possible to build a vserver with ipv6 address ?
1144775418 M * Bertl ... it's called pdk, and it's really this tool for manipulating linux distros
1144775433 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: <SiD3WiNDR> where did you get on the v6 support?
1144775434 M * daniel_hozac <bonbons> SiD3WiNDR: not progressing very much because of time-availability issues - but I hope I can change that soon ;)
1144775441 M * nebuchadnezzar ok ok
1144775445 M * nebuchadnezzar sorry for the noise
1144775556 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1144775649 Q * |coocoon| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1144775780 M * Alissa Bertl debian-newvserver.sh works anywere on the 2.6 kernel?
1144775808 M * Bertl well, partially, it gets a few things wrong
1144775826 M * daniel_hozac for Debian guests, util-vserver works everywhere though...
1144775839 M * Bertl Alissa: first, it uses the legacy config, then it does strange things on the barrier
1144775887 M * Alissa uhmmmm
1144775889 M * Alissa =/
1144775903 M * Bertl yeah, well, the maintainer does not care
1144775969 M * daniel_hozac recent util-vserver packages should conflict with vserver-debiantools :)
1144775981 M * Bertl yeah, I heard so ...
1144775989 M * Bertl a good decision IMHO
1144775999 M * Alissa Bertl ma torfl! =P
1144776009 M * Alissa *rotfl
1144776043 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144776275 Q * restill Quit: Leaving
1144776743 M * brc Bertl
1144776770 M * brc one of my users is running lot of processores that consume CPU (lame/mpg123). If i had cpu schedulling activated, would it make things better for other users ?
1144776779 M * brc He is making server's load increase.
1144776998 A * h01ger waves :)
1144777128 Q * f_ Quit: Leaving
1144777224 M * Bertl brc: well, depends on the setup, but usually it will make other guests more resposive, but decrease overall performance
1144777235 M * Bertl ah, have to run now ... back later ...
1144777240 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1144777256 J * samuel_ ~samuel@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA
1144777270 A * samuel_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
1144777318 M * daniel_hozac waldi: is util-vserver_0.30.210-6 ok on s390?
1144777324 Q * |coocoon| Read error: Connection reset by peer
1144777618 M * cehteh can one renice processes from context 1? ... maybe a global auto-nice-daemon would be nice :)
1144778008 M * nebuchadnezzar bonbons: hello, you are working on ipv6 support as I saw, maybe using iproute instead of ifconfig will be better ?
1144778037 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: he's working on the kernel side. IPv6 is currently completely disabled within guests inside the kernel.
1144778049 M * nebuchadnezzar arf, ok
1144778069 M * daniel_hozac the utils already use iproute ;)
1144778101 M * nebuchadnezzar rgrep /usr/lib/util-vserver show me ifconfig :-/
1144778143 M * daniel_hozac ... where?
1144778160 M * nebuchadnezzar on ancalagon
1144778186 M * daniel_hozac i meant, which file? line?
1144778206 M * daniel_hozac a grep through the sources show only scripts/legacy/vserver using it.
1144778314 M * nebuchadnezzar in legacy/vserver lines 107, 116, 142
1144778320 M * nebuchadnezzar arf
1144778331 J * doener ~doener@i5387DED4.versanet.de
1144778370 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144778615 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1144778630 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1144779107 J * yarihm ~marabut@44.45.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch
1144779276 J * CoBoLt ~countcobo@d54C1F3B4.access.telenet.be
1144779301 M * CoBoLt hi everyone
1144779358 M * CoBoLt I have installed vserver patch 2.0.2-rc14.diff on top of a 2.6.16.1 kernel with vserver tools 0.30.210 compiled againt dietlibc and when I try to do a vserver start test
1144779381 M * CoBoLt I get a chbind: kernel does not provide network virtualization error
1144779389 M * daniel_hozac 2.6.16.3 and 2.0.2-rc15 are the latest :)
1144779397 M * CoBoLt daniel, uhu I know
1144779400 M * CoBoLt but this used to work
1144779411 M * daniel_hozac are you sure you booted the vserver kernel?
1144779415 M * CoBoLt I had this running until I had a physical disk crash
1144779416 M * CoBoLt yup
1144779421 M * CoBoLt 100% sure
1144779431 M * CoBoLt I can even build a vserver
1144779435 M * CoBoLt but not start it
1144779461 M * CoBoLt I found on paul's page that it has to do with dynamic kernel ....
1144779475 M * CoBoLt Know I am looking for that option? which one do I need to select and where?
1144779481 M * bonbons CoBoLt: did you disable legacy networking?
1144779487 M * CoBoLt info is rather rare on this topic
1144779492 M * CoBoLt bonbons, in vserver option?
1144779516 M * CoBoLt I didn't disable this no...
1144779519 M * CoBoLt is that needed?
1144779521 M * bonbons in VServer kernel config. Dynamic context IDs is the other part to look at
1144779533 M * daniel_hozac what options did you pass util-vserver's configure?
1144779543 M * CoBoLt --prefix=/
1144779546 M * CoBoLt that's it
1144779558 M * CoBoLt might it be because my vservers are running of an lvm partition?
1144779569 M * daniel_hozac what does cat /proc/virtual/info say?
1144779580 M * daniel_hozac hmm, s/2.6.16.3/2.6.16.4/
1144779584 M * daniel_hozac they sure are busy today.
1144779589 M * CoBoLt noticed
1144779604 M * CoBoLt VCIVersion:     0002:0001
1144779604 M * CoBoLt VCISyscall:     273
1144779604 M * CoBoLt VCIKernel:      04008016
1144779611 M * CoBoLt /proc/virtual/info
1144779614 M * CoBoLt as requested :p
1144779626 M * CoBoLt bonbons, where do I find dynamic context ID's?
1144779642 M * CoBoLt I only have persistent Inode context tagging
1144779646 M * CoBoLt that's it
1144779681 M * CoBoLt and bonbons should I disable the legacy networking kernel API?
1144779682 M * CoBoLt :s
1144779697 M * Alissa www:/etc/vservers/prova# vserver prova enter
1144779698 M * Alissa 'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting...
1144779706 M * Alissa I not understand this error O.o"
1144779741 M * daniel_hozac Alissa: you need to start the vserver before you can enter it.
1144779793 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: could you paste vserver-info somewhere?
1144779799 M * CoBoLt yup
1144779824 M * CoBoLt do you guys have a pastebot?
1144779845 M * daniel_hozac no. just paste at phpfi.com and give us the URL.
1144779889 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, pasted it private :p
1144779891 M * CoBoLt http://www.phpfi.com/112156
1144779894 M * CoBoLt voila
1144779895 M * CoBoLt :)
1144779935 M * Alissa daniel_hozac http://phpfi.com/112158 <== ??!?!!? O.o""" error on the kernel?
1144779950 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: you activated the legacy version. that won't work.
1144780002 M * Alissa daniel_hozac http://phpfi.com/112158 <== ??!?!!? O.o""" error on the kernel?
1144780017 M * daniel_hozac Alissa: /etc/init.d/vprocunhide start
1144780026 M * CoBoLt was gonna say the same :)
1144780034 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac,  rebuilding kernel now
1144780038 M * CoBoLt hope this fixes it
1144780074 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, Q: how could you see that I activated that?
1144780099 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: VS-API: 0x000100ff
1144780134 M * CoBoLt uhu :s
1144780141 M * CoBoLt convert to decimal?
1144780163 M * daniel_hozac no, it's the vserver API version.
1144780166 M * waldi daniel_hozac: should be
1144780230 M * CoBoLt waldi is this regarding the problem I'm experiencing?
1144780269 M * waldi CoBoLt: which problem?
1144780276 M * CoBoLt dont bother :)
1144780310 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144780437 M * Alissa daniel_hozac =****** I love You ^_^... vserver works =P
1144780500 M * daniel_hozac :)
1144780734 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org
1144780736 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, as I am still using the legacy configuration , I need to enable legacy in the tools it appears...
1144780742 M * CoBoLt doing so right now
1144780763 M * CoBoLt and build fails
1144780764 M * CoBoLt ....
1144780773 M * daniel_hozac --enable-apis=NOLEGACY
1144780786 M * CoBoLt without the legacy configuration?
1144780795 M * CoBoLt I am still using those...
1144780801 M * daniel_hozac "legacy" in the utils refer to the ancient APIs.
1144780807 M * CoBoLt aha
1144780808 M * daniel_hozac like 1.0.
1144780813 M * CoBoLt wokay
1144780820 M * dearaujo quick question: regarding namespaces, is each vserver guest considered its own namespace?
1144780827 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: yes.
1144780864 J * degli degli@host188-74.pool8259.interbusiness.it
1144780875 M * dearaujo so why would you want to create the nonamespace option?
1144780915 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, making right now
1144780920 M * CoBoLt hope the vservers start now
1144780932 M * CoBoLt remember I don't have a new 2.0 configuration at hand
1144780943 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: just disabling the legacy version in the kernel should do it.
1144780952 M * CoBoLt i'll see
1144780958 M * CoBoLt rebuilding now :p
1144780969 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: there are probably some cases where namespaces aren't wanted, i can't really think of any examples though :)
1144781034 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1144781073 M * dearaujo ok but yet the "flower page" says the "namespace" overrides the nonamespace flag?
1144781099 M * dearaujo i take this to imply that namespaces arent used?
1144781106 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-153-153-16.dsl.telesp.net.br
1144781107 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: yes, you can set nonamespace in /etc/vservers/.defaults.
1144781116 M * dearaujo whats the defualt?
1144781119 M * daniel_hozac and then /etc/vservers/.../namespace overrides it.
1144781126 M * daniel_hozac using namespaces is the default.
1144781133 M * dearaujo what if niether file exists?
1144781142 M * dearaujo ok
1144781152 M * dearaujo thx
1144781255 M * CoBoLt root@kamino:/# vserver castor start
1144781255 M * CoBoLt WARNING: can not find configuration, assuming legacy method
1144781255 M * CoBoLt Starting the virtual server castor
1144781255 M * CoBoLt Server castor is not running
1144781255 M * CoBoLt ipv4root is now 0.0.0.0
1144781256 M * CoBoLt chcontext: vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented
1144781267 M * CoBoLt woeps sorry should have been in the browser
1144781269 M * CoBoLt well ok
1144781279 M * Alissa CoBoLt control the path
1144781283 M * CoBoLt can someone explain this to me?
1144781284 M * Alissa I have a same error
1144781285 M * Alissa ^^
1144781302 M * Alissa the path of /etc/vservers and /usr/lib/etc/vservers
1144781304 M * Alissa =)
1144781307 M * degli hi all
1144781311 M * degli but vserve w0rk on ipv6?
1144781315 M * Alissa recompile the utils
1144781324 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: umm, chcontext isn't used on alpha util-vserver.
1144781325 M * CoBoLt Alissa, already recompiled
1144781333 M * daniel_hozac degli: no.
1144781344 M * degli daniel_hozac: tnx
1144781369 M * CoBoLt so any ideas?
1144781384 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: do you have multiple installations of the utils?
1144781389 M * CoBoLt nope
1144781392 M * Alissa daniel_hozac exist a sperimental patch...
1144781398 M * Alissa I not remember on is this...
1144781400 M * Alissa =/
1144781447 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: so you installed util-vserver 0.30?
1144781453 M * CoBoLt uhu
1144781456 M * CoBoLt 0.30.210
1144781461 M * CoBoLt latest to download
1144781525 M * CoBoLt http://www.phpfi.com/112169
1144781627 M * daniel_hozac as i said, there is no C chcontext in 0.30.210. it's called chcontext-compat. chcontext is a script.
1144781646 M * CoBoLt then can someone explain why my system wants them :p
1144781699 M * CoBoLt doing an updatedb
1144781700 M * daniel_hozac i guess that might be used for legacy configurations.
1144781718 M * CoBoLt I have found the chcontext script
1144781743 M * daniel_hozac any particular reason you haven't converted to alpha util-vserver's configuration?
1144781758 M * CoBoLt slackware :)
1144781768 M * CoBoLt running slackware as host and as guest
1144781768 M * daniel_hozac ... so?
1144781777 M * CoBoLt I spent about 3 hours converting to version2
1144781785 M * CoBoLt and then I simply not booted the vserver
1144781972 M * daniel_hozac did you recompile the utils with --enable-apis=NOLEGACY?
1144781979 M * CoBoLt yes I did
1144782018 M * CoBoLt root@kamino:/usr/src/util-vserver-0.30.210# grep LEGACY config.log
1144782018 M * CoBoLt   $ ./configure --prefix=/ --enable-apis=NOLEGACY
1144782040 M * daniel_hozac did you make clean before?
1144782046 M * CoBoLt yes
1144782102 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1144782171 P * the_hack_webber 
1144782477 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, it appears that with the new configuration things work
1144782497 M * CoBoLt I used the convert script this time instead of doing it manually
1144782500 M * CoBoLt and that worked
1144782911 M * CoBoLt hmmm It appears I cannot stop the vservers
1144782913 M * CoBoLt :s
1144783220 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144783300 Q * f_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1144783377 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, I have an error when I want to start a sarge vserver chbind: vc_net_create(): Invalid argument
1144783523 Q * degli Quit: 
1144783917 M * CoBoLt can someone tell me why I still see eth0 and also eth0:cast?
1144783924 M * CoBoLt I don't want to see eth0 anymore
1144783930 M * CoBoLt with ifconfig I mean
1144783930 M * CoBoLt :p
1144783980 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: did you forget to set a static context?
1144783997 M * nebuchadnezzar yes
1144784019 M * nebuchadnezzar I thought that it was not required
1144784030 M * nebuchadnezzar according to http://deb.riseup.net/vserver/create-instance/
1144784039 M * daniel_hozac it is when you disable dynamic contexts in the kernel.
1144784141 Q * |coocoon| Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144784163 Q * kingruedi Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1144784171 M * nebuchadnezzar daniel_hozac: hmm hmm, strange, I do not see where to disable dynamic contexts...
1144784200 M * nebuchadnezzar the  only difference with ancalagon is Enable Inode Tag Propagation
1144784212 M * nebuchadnezzar I use vs2.1.1-rc15 on a 2.6.16.2 kernel
1144784317 M * daniel_hozac nebuchadnezzar: CONFIG_VSERVER_DYNAMIC_IDS
1144784379 M * daniel_hozac it only shows when you enable CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY.
1144784395 M * nebuchadnezzar arf, legacy is disabled
1144784413 M * daniel_hozac but as i said, just setting a static context will fix it.
1144784422 M * nebuchadnezzar ok
1144784424 M * daniel_hozac it is recommended to do so either way.
1144784442 M * nebuchadnezzar i'll do it, thanks a lot
1144784817 J * f_ ~f_@83-215-237-1.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at
1144784822 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net
1144785039 M * Alissa daniel_hozac what the "vserver NAME buil" save the harddisk of the vserver on the dir /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/prova/ and NO an the dir /vservers?
1144785040 M * Alissa O.o"""
1144785066 J * Ali`away ali@151.81.8.240
1144785109 M * daniel_hozac Alissa: is /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase not a symlink on your system?
1144785229 M * Ali`away daniel_hozac no =/
1144785230 M * Ali`away drwxr-xr-x  20 root root 4096 2006-04-12 21:43 prova
1144785231 M * Ali`away www:/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase#
1144785246 M * daniel_hozac ls -ld /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase
1144785279 M * Ali`away ok ^^
1144785284 M * CoBoLt I am getting an error about a time out when stopping a server , it tell me there will be a process list
1144785285 M * jake- hmm are the problems with the wiki?
1144785287 M * CoBoLt but I don't see them
1144785291 M * CoBoLt or it
1144785311 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: do you get two lines containing nothing but dashes?
1144785319 M * CoBoLt yup
1144785329 M * daniel_hozac jake-: WORKSFORME. why?
1144785341 M * CoBoLt http://www.phpfi.com/112180
1144785342 Q * f_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144785353 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, is this a know thing?
1144785406 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: but the vserver is stopped, right? you can start it afterwards?
1144785410 M * CoBoLt yup
1144785413 M * CoBoLt can do both
1144785417 M * CoBoLt just this strange error
1144785516 Q * mkhl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144785522 Q * Alissa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144785569 M * jake- vs~daniel_hozac: frames are messed up for me. right frame is empty (for the strahlungsfrei wiki)
1144785569 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac?
1144785594 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: yeah, it's a known problem, but i don't think anyone has tracked it down yet.
1144785600 M * CoBoLt aha
1144785604 M * CoBoLt nothing to worry about them?
1144785608 M * daniel_hozac jake-: huh? linux-vserver.org have no frames.
1144785641 M * jake- http://vserver.strahlungsfrei.de/tiki-index.php <-
1144785668 M * daniel_hozac that's not the vserver wiki :)
1144785693 M * jake- its listed in the doc section under wikis :)
1144785743 M * daniel_hozac note, _the_ vserver wiki. it's just yet another wiki about vservers :)
1144785764 M * jake- i remember seeing a copy script there which i need now ;)
1144785825 M * Ali`away daniel_hozac thanks =*
1144785843 M * brc daniel_hozac: Does cpu schedule add overhead to the system? Will vservers lose performance ?
1144785868 M * daniel_hozac brc: well, any additional algorithm adds some overhead :)
1144785973 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-031.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1144786389 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1144786407 M * CoBoLt daniel_hozac, thanks for all your help
1144786411 M * CoBoLt systems run fine now
1144786419 M * CoBoLt I'll stick around on this chan just to learn :)
1144786559 J * marabut__ ~marabut@44.45.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch
1144786812 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144786887 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1144786978 J * shedi ~siggi@dsl-201-4.hive.is
1144788167 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1144788366 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144788369 N * marabut__ yarihm
1144788550 M * brc daniel_hozac: hehe, but does it add some significant overhead?
1144788559 M * brc my doubt is if it is worth using it
1144788600 M * daniel_hozac give it a try and see ;)
1144788825 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1144788893 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl
1144789185 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1144789188 M * Bertl evening folks!
1144789655 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A06083.dip.t-dialin.net
1144790671 M * ray6 reee
1144790697 M * Bertl wb ray6!
1144791263 M * derjohn heyo, Bertl do you think my text for the LT-catalogue is ok?
1144791275 M * Bertl I hope so
1144791331 M * derjohn any native enlisg speakers here who could check: http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-self-definition ?
1144791349 M * derjohn *lol* *English
1144791367 M * Bertl looks like you made your point :)
1144791383 M * CoBoLt derjohn, virtualization
1144791388 M * CoBoLt 3rd line
1144791398 M * CoBoLt 2nd= from
1144791404 M * CoBoLt eachother = one word
1144791409 M * derjohn CoBoLt, hm ok, US or UK ? :) 
1144791419 M * derjohn oh ... Belgie ....
1144791420 M * CoBoLt belgian :)
1144791431 M * CoBoLt english teacher but education
1144791436 M * derjohn CoBoLt, want to visit us at LinuxTag (Germany) ?
1144791437 M * CoBoLt and UK support line @ work
1144791444 M * CoBoLt hmmmmm
1144791448 M * CoBoLt you are tempting :)
1144791456 M * CoBoLt been considering it for a couple of years now
1144791463 M * derjohn btw: I prefer "v12n"  :)
1144791468 M * Bertl well, you can still get a ticket for free
1144791476 M * CoBoLt technic not technique :)
1144791481 M * derjohn CoBoLt, feel invitred, I have some free tickets for the geeks here
1144791498 M * CoBoLt dates?
1144791521 M * derjohn 3.5-6.5. (last day is saturday)
1144791533 M * CoBoLt damn, 
1144791538 M * Bertl main event on friday afternoon
1144791540 M * CoBoLt will never get off @ work anymore
1144791550 M * CoBoLt they'll say it to short notice
1144791561 M * derjohn Bertl, *lol* OK ....
1144791562 M * dearaujo "Creating the contexts simply require" change to requires
1144791575 Q * Ali`away Quit: —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 1816
1144791579 M * CoBoLt derjohn, long version : offers
1144791585 M * CoBoLt 2nd line
1144791603 M * derjohn CoBoLt, I dont agree to "technic". technique is IMO right
1144791628 M * CoBoLt hang on
1144791633 M * dearaujo technique is right :)
1144791636 M * CoBoLt dictionarys :)
1144791639 M * CoBoLt yeah just recalled it
1144791646 M * CoBoLt been a while since I saw it that way
1144791647 M * CoBoLt :)
1144791666 M * CoBoLt the rest seems ok
1144791694 M * derjohn CoBoLt, yes, I usually use the term in martial arts ... :)
1144791705 M * CoBoLt hehe
1144791706 M * CoBoLt :p
1144791840 M * derjohn virtualization vs. virtualisation .. both seem to be right (dict.leo.org) ... votes please: which one?
1144791852 M * dearaujo long version: "The field of application ranges from running single processes in an own context" -- when you say own, what do you mean?
1144791866 M * Bertl I prefer 'z' over 's'
1144791873 M * dearaujo well, in the US it's virtualization...
1144791895 M * CoBoLt also z over s
1144791896 M * CoBoLt :)
1144791902 M * dearaujo but it's ok to rebel :)
1144791917 M * derjohn OKOK .... the magic "z" won ;)
1144791922 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, i'm sure mon opinon do not matter, i prefer 's'
1144791941 M * Bertl why is that so nebuchadnessar?
1144791955 M * derjohn nebuchadnezzar, well you already used up all z in your nick ? :)
1144791966 M * nebuchadnezzar :-)
1144791990 M * Bertl btw, what is the input issue you folks were talking about last time?
1144792011 M * derjohn nebuchadnezzar, where are you from?
1144792018 M * nebuchadnezzar derjohn: France
1144792027 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: it was a problem with termios
1144792039 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: IIRC
1144792049 M * Bertl ah, so it is already resolved, yes?
1144792061 Q * cdrx Quit: good night
1144792064 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: I had to press 4 times a key to see 4 times the char
1144792088 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: thanks to daniel_hozac
1144792089 M * Bertl well, that doesn't sound _that_ unusual :)
1144792103 M * Bertl but I guess I understood what you meant ...
1144792107 M * nebuchadnezzar giving him access to the vserver and 2 or 3hours later it was solved
1144792130 J * TopGunSF ~TopGunSF@72.45.20.100
1144792138 M * Bertl welcome TopGunSF!
1144792140 M * nebuchadnezzar from erc log http://daniel.hozac.com/vserver/dietlibc-0.29-sparc-termios.patch
1144792141 M * TopGunSF hello
1144792155 M * nebuchadnezzar Bertl: you do not experience the same on your T2k ?
1144792169 M * Bertl nebuchadnezzar: I wish I had one ...
1144792188 M * Bertl no, we didn't get that far, only basic kernel interface tests
1144792207 M * nebuchadnezzar ok
1144792207 M * ray6 Bertl: yes, too bad there was no time for a real "many guests" test :)
1144792222 M * ray6 Would have been interesting how much load it really stands :)
1144792258 M * nebuchadnezzar load ? from uptime command ?
1144792320 M * dearaujo derjohn: "It is possible to share CPU, RAM, Disk I/O, Diskspace and networking in a soft way as well as setting limits to particular contexts, even quotas are supported." ---> "It is possible to share CPU, RAM, Disk I/O, Diskspace and networking in a soft way as well as set limits to particular contexts and assign quotas." 
1144792356 M * nebuchadnezzar ok, now TTS (Time To Sleep)
1144792356 M * daniel_hozac as well as limiting contexts and assigning quotas?
1144792358 M * Bertl ray6: yeah, my guestimation would have been 10k processes sustained load
1144792368 M * CoBoLt night nebuchadnezzar 
1144792372 M * nebuchadnezzar thanks
1144792381 M * dearaujo by using "limiting" you must you "sharing"
1144792382 M * Bertl ray6: which in turn would mean roughly 1000 guests
1144792391 M * dearaujo s/you/use
1144792396 M * derjohn Bertl, do you get a Superhacker Ticket from the Linuxtag people already? Ot should I put you onto the VIP list ?
1144792410 M * dearaujo you share and set, not share and limiting :)
1144792415 M * Bertl derjohn: I'd assume I'm staff personal
1144792434 M * derjohn Bertl, so be it. I set you on my list. 
1144792443 M * Bertl derjohn: nils said, we should not reserve _any_ tickets for the staff
1144792465 M * derjohn Bertl, what about Morrigan and BobR ?
1144792484 M * Bertl don't know if they will come, but I'll try to convince them :)
1144792496 M * derjohn Bertl, yes, I have an extra interface for booth staff id cards
1144792529 M * derjohn Bertl, at least I could send them tickets. I can also transfer a couple of tickets to you you like,.
1144792538 M * derjohn (for re-sharing)
1144792553 M * TopGunSF If only I knew anything about Linux (me knows only Windows)
1144792631 M * derjohn dearaujo, thx i changed it
1144792642 M * dearaujo sure np
1144792653 M * Bertl TopGunSF: well, it's never to late to _learn_ stuff
1144792660 M * derjohn TopGunSF, time to start installting a beginenrs distro like ubuntu
1144792683 M * dearaujo speaking of tickets and germany - anyone have any world cup tickets to sell ;) ?
1144792688 A * TopGunSF needs to get his second or third up and running so he can use mult o/s's
1144792714 M * CoBoLt does vps support a way to only get de processes in a certain context?
1144792717 M * TopGunSF I got 2 comps, ones got no keyboards etc., the others not mine... im not sure what I have that
1144792738 M * CoBoLt TopGunSF, repartition your windows install a dual boot at first :) you'll need it
1144792747 M * derjohn dearaujo, no, but have have better ones: for linuxtag :)
1144792748 M * Bertl CoBoLt: you could do 'vserver <name> exec ps auxwww
1144792761 M * CoBoLt so vps won't do the trick?
1144792763 M * dearaujo :)
1144792776 M * daniel_hozac CoBoLt: vps is just a ps wrapper.
1144792777 M * CoBoLt are there manpages for all the command the utils provide?
1144792780 M * CoBoLt wokee
1144792783 A * TopGunSF cowers at thought of repartitioning drive
1144792793 M * Bertl CoBoLt: well, vps and a grepould do the trick
1144792797 M * CoBoLt uhu
1144792810 M * Bertl *grep could*
1144792816 M * derjohn CoBoLt, what exactly do you want to accomplish?
1144792831 M * derjohn CoBoLt, vserver bla enter ; ps faxu ?
1144792842 M * CoBoLt just see the processes running inside the vserver
1144792852 M * CoBoLt and e.g. get the load that vserver creates
1144792852 M * derjohn without entering it ?
1144792855 M * CoBoLt uhu
1144792868 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: exec exists to do that sort of thing ;)
1144792868 M * derjohn vserver-stats 
1144792893 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, never needed it, but yes :)
1144792911 M * derjohn CoBoLt, also check what /proc tells you about the context 
1144792919 P * TopGunSF 
1144792975 M * derjohn CoBoLt, e.g. cat /proc/virtual/<context>/limit ....
1144792982 M * CoBoLt got it :)
1144792989 M * daniel_hozac /proc/virtual/<xid>/cvirt might be more interesting.
1144793004 M * CoBoLt I give access to 2 vservers to 2 persons just learning linux :)
1144793013 M * CoBoLt and I want to monitor a bit what they are doing :)
1144793106 M * derjohn CoBoLt, I tried that too, but reach the limits very soon , i.e. not changing of ip adresses, vlans, sniffign etc.
1144793119 M * CoBoLt uhu
1144793132 M * CoBoLt but they are really really just starting
1144793162 M * CoBoLt last time I was teaching him how to use rm (?) and said to do a -rf on a folder
1144793166 M * CoBoLt he just typed rm -rf /
1144793169 M * ray6 You could install Sebek on ths host, but that's evil :)
1144793170 M * CoBoLt roflol
1144793176 M * CoBoLt sebek?
1144793179 M * CoBoLt gotta check
1144793188 M * ray6 a keyboard logger - will also work for ssh sessions :)
1144793189 M * derjohn CoBoLt, the Q is if / is a folder ;)
1144793196 M * CoBoLt hehe
1144793208 M * ray6 I expect it should work also for all vservers on a host.
1144793224 M * CoBoLt try to explain to a hardened windows user the user root with home root on the root filesystem :p
1144793226 M * CoBoLt they go nuts
1144793227 M * CoBoLt :p
1144793333 M * derjohn CoBoLt, that's really a pinguinistic^Wlinguistic mess
1144793338 M * CoBoLt roflol
1144793346 M * CoBoLt that's why we love it
1144793347 M * CoBoLt :p
1144793365 M * CoBoLt could I run a master/slave mysql setup in 2 vserver on the same host?
1144793480 M * dearaujo boa noite
1144793482 P * dearaujo 
1144793522 M * gdm CoBoLt: http://deb.riseup.net/web-server/syscp/install/mysql-vserver/
1144793530 M * gdm CoBoLt: don't use 127.0.0.x tho ;-)
1144793541 M * CoBoLt wokee
1144793582 M * CoBoLt I already have 1 mysql running inside the VServer
1144793583 M * derjohn gdm, you use syscp in a context? or on the host?
1144793611 A * derjohn thought about hacking vserver management into ispman ....
1144793670 M * CoBoLt we'll got castor and pollux running
1144793670 M * derjohn "Jeder Context läuft auf dem selben Kernel" or "Jeder Context läuft im selben Kernel," ?
1144793679 M * gdm derjohn: i'm not actually using syscp
1144793680 M * CoBoLt tomottow gonna setup asterix and obelix :p
1144793685 M * gdm derjohn: micah is the person to ask
1144793696 M * derjohn gdm, k, thx
1144793702 M * gdm np
1144793717 M * gdm i thought it was a good howto on setting up a mysql vserver on internal interface tho
1144793720 M * gdm and i have used it
1144793758 M * CoBoLt ok guys
1144793760 M * CoBoLt gonna go off now
1144793764 M * CoBoLt time to sleep to
1144793769 M * CoBoLt workday tomorrow
1144793778 M * Bertl good night then
1144793780 M * CoBoLt thx
1144793781 M * CoBoLt ttyl
1144793796 Q * CoBoLt Quit: Leaving
1144794264 Q * |coocoon| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1144794466 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144795295 Q * meandtheshell Quit: bye bye ... 
1144795872 M * Bertl brc: ping?
1144796109 M * brc Bertl!
1144796125 M * Bertl hey, just wanted to know when you want to continue tonight
1144796132 M * brc compiling the monolitic kernels. just stoped working right now. Since 7:00 AM (it is 19:52 here).
1144796133 M * brc too much work :)
1144796154 M * Bertl np, I'm currnently cleaning up the scheduler
1144796227 M * brc Ok. as soon as i get it finished i will tell you
1144796236 M * Bertl k, np
1144796247 M * brc about the cpu scheduller, will it add much overhead to the system? Is it worth using it ? 
1144796269 M * Bertl currently trying to get good figures for that
1144796284 M * Bertl well, it _is_ required in a potential hostile environment
1144796299 M * Bertl but you definitely don't want it in a friendly env
1144796311 M * Bertl as usual, all scheduling decisions add overhead
1144796340 M * brc My enviroment might be a hostile enviroment
1144796359 M * brc Isn't there a way to measure how much will be lost? How much % ? :)
1144796393 M * brc Anywayif there is only one vserver using the processor, will it use everything or just his limit ?
1144796403 M * Bertl I'm working on exactly that, and it seems that an upper bound (for really unfortunate configurations) is around 6% on x86 SMP
1144796416 Q * doener Quit: night folks
1144796433 M * Bertl if configured properly, the overhead should not be measurable
1144796612 M * derjohn Bertl, do you provide benchmarking method and results/data?
1144796629 M * Bertl derjohn: of course not, those are top secret :)
1144796662 M * brc hehe
1144796672 M * Bertl all joking aside, yes I will provide test method and results as soon as I ahve finished tuning the scheduler
1144796672 M * derjohn Bertl, well OpenVBenchmarkZ like?
1144796721 M * derjohn Bertl, tuning means .. in the source or just pulling triggers knobs in the scheduler?
1144796753 M * Bertl well, nobody cared to investigate scheduler internals since I implemented the new fancy idle time shceduler
1144796777 M * Bertl so there are some things which can be improved, basically shortcuts to scheduler decisions
1144796779 M * brc how do you tune it? Just on the config files (flags and shcedule)? Or you are using some evil methods :)
1144796803 M * derjohn Bertl, well, i didnt even unerstand what it does (but chose it when compliling the kernel)
1144796811 M * Bertl it's mainline checking for hot pathes and making them faster
1144796815 M * Bertl *mainly
1144796830 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-197-162.pools.arcor-ip.net
1144796834 M * Bertl already found two minor bugs there
1144796837 M * derjohn Bertl, greetz from Freud ;)
1144796849 M * brc Even with the bugs, is it stable to be used ?
1144796853 M * derjohn rc16 in sight?
1144796853 M * brc the scheduler
1144796861 M * brc Do you o  knnwifayone useeesss     iittooonnprrrducv?
1144796869 M * brc oops. do you know if anyone uses it on production servers ?
1144796903 M * Bertl well, I know how you could lock up your system pretty fast, but it's not very likely that you hit that config accidentially
1144796945 M * derjohn Bertl, cool. I can shutdown the machine a rent a guest for 9.99 ?
1144796955 M * brc hehe ok so if i follow the docs i wont do it 
1144796967 M * Bertl but those thinks are the stuff I try to iron out right now
1144797102 M * Bertl the scheduler is not easy to debug, so I try to play safe there, and optimize when I know that it works
1144797116 M * Bertl of course, bugs can get everywhere
1144797141 M * Bertl OTOH, scheduler bugs are usually easy to hit, as the decisions happen many hundred times per second
1144797213 M * Bertl brc: if you want to be extra carefully, stay with the stable branch, otherwise devel is pretty 'solid' by now too
1144797257 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1144797370 M * brc i am using the 2.6 branch
1144797395 M * brc vs2.X
1144797396 M * Bertl 2.6 is the kernel, 2.0.x is stable branch, 2.1.x is devel
1144797429 M * Bertl devel has more features, but also more room for bugs :)
1144797439 M * brc ok got it
1144797501 M * derjohn brc and experimental has even more room for bugs but also cooler features (which you probably dont need for the beginning)
1144797551 M * Bertl where I consider later -rc* more devel than experimental 
1144797566 M * brc this compilation is taking too long
1144797598 M * Bertl probably because you have configured in the kitchen sink ...
1144797615 M * Bertl you should spend a few minutes to trim down the kernel to the necessary parts
1144797647 M * brc i have almost everything on
1144797655 M * Bertl that's what I meant :)
1144797659 M * brc i though that would be the best so we could find conflicts :)
1144797681 M * Bertl well, might be interesting at a later stage ...
1144797681 M * derjohn brc, thats cool. compile once, use many times with initrd ;)
1144797687 M * derjohn brc, Debian?
1144797707 M * brc Debian and slackware
1144797711 M * brc compiling at slackware and using on debian
1144797726 M * derjohn brc, on Debian Sid there is a precompiled kernel available
1144797734 M * derjohn apt-cache search 2.6.16 vserver
1144797745 M * brc I a compiling the kernel to test the new quota feature with berl
1144797760 M * derjohn brc, ah, k didnt know - sry !!
1144797764 M * brc :)
1144797781 M * brc i should've compiled this kernel while i was at work.. i should've left ssh opened so i could do this all and now just play
1144797794 M * derjohn brc, you mean within-guest-quota-on-shared-filesystem ?
1144797800 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1144797817 M * derjohn (those new features hardly have good names)
1144797847 M * derjohn where are the quota infos stored? xattr?
1144797875 M * Bertl no, it's stored in quota files :)
1144797889 M * brc that's it
1144797893 M * brc i guess :)
1144797896 M * derjohn hm, why didnt that work before?
1144797922 M * Bertl because the kernel is very narrow minded regarding quota (in mainline)
1144797934 M * Bertl i.e. highlander principle and such ...
1144797940 M * derjohn hm, that explains it well ;)
1144797985 M * derjohn quota wasnt a userspace daemon thing?
1144797999 M * derjohn (I never used quota, but planned to do it)
1144798004 M * brc i really should've removed all this :   CC      drivers/net/hp100.o
1144798004 M * brc :)
1144798032 M * derjohn brc, you could also remove arcnet stuf ;)
1144798037 M * Bertl no, quota is inside the kernel, but it heavily interacts with userspace tools which think they must access files and filesystems directly 
1144798154 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-sched-fix03.diff
1144798165 M * Bertl note the funny += -> = change on priority
1144798178 M * Bertl nobody noticed/reported the high priorities :)
1144798249 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1144798297 M * Bertl that's a good example for devel vs stable
1144798335 M * Bertl the stable branch doesn't have this code, because we would not change the existing (assumed working) code there without having it in devel for some time
1144798395 M * derjohn Bertl, devel doesnt descibe that fact. devel sounds like "CVS version". 
1144798403 M * derjohn *describe
1144798421 M * daniel_hozac how is that different?
1144798422 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: btw, do you see some scheduler support for the 'upcoming' util-vserver? i.e. interval2/rate2?
1144798469 M * daniel_hozac i've been meaning to go over the list of unimplemented syscalls and add them.
1144798501 M * Bertl well, I'm doing quite fine with vcmd atm, but I guess folks won't really know how to use that
1144798518 M * daniel_hozac probably not :)
1144798621 J * id23 ~id@p54A03254.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1144798629 M * Bertl welcome id23!
1144798635 M * id23 hi Bertl 
1144798641 M * daniel_hozac btw, how do CPU affinity and CPU sets differ?
1144798739 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, affinity is only for one CPU? and set are ... virtual sets, scheduled independently?
1144798779 M * gdm hi, a question quickly (i hope).. is vsched only for a single process, or can it be for the whole context?
1144798789 M * daniel_hozac vsched is for the whole context.
1144798845 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net
1144798877 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: the affinity stuff is much older than the cpusets, but the cpusets are more flexible
1144798879 M * gdm ok, thanks
1144798913 M * daniel_hozac so they do the same thing, only differently? :)
1144798918 M * Bertl hmm, I forgot the IDLE_TIME flag .. i.e. have to arrange something to remove it again ...
1144799082 M * derjohn Ok folks, I idle for some hours now: n8 ! 
1144799096 M * Bertl good night!
1144799142 M * daniel_hozac night
1144799158 M * daniel_hozac hmm, how do you set up cpusets from userspace?
1144799180 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1144799212 M * Bertl http://www.bullopensource.org/cpuset/
1144799212 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg11505.html ?
1144799229 M * daniel_hozac thanks.
1144799266 M * Bertl I had a better one ... just can't find it ATM
1144799310 M * Bertl ah, that's why :)   Documentation/cpusets.txt
1144799448 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1144799470 M * daniel_hozac so cpusets are managed through yet another virtual filesystem...
1144799479 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-sched-fix04.diff
1144799493 M * Bertl looks better now regarding flag removal
1144799534 M * Bertl damn, but I forgot the additional flags now :/
1144799555 M * daniel_hozac hehe.
1144799608 M * Bertl will update that one in place so don't jump on it
1144799784 M * Bertl okay, done