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I would be surprises but I don't know 1144666353 M * TheSeer yeah, it surprised me too ;) 1144666359 M * TheSeer that's why i'm wondering *g* 1144667003 M * daniel_hozac considering mac rules can be used to match other boxes too, that wouldn't make much sense. 1144667216 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-207-081.pools.arcor-ip.net 1144667493 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1144668395 Q * insomniac Remote host closed the connection 1144668427 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144668675 J * insomniac ~insomniac@slackware.it 1144669398 J * matta ~matta@c-69-253-223-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1144669755 Q * matt1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144669815 J * teukka ~tmatilai@backport.ri.fi 1144670369 M * ray6 TheSee: possibly interface-specific rules disappear when the interface disappears? 1144670539 M * derjohn hey ray6, nice to have you back on this channel :) Will you join us at linuxtag? if so: mark your days 1144670549 M * derjohn ray6, in the wiki ..... 1144671370 M * ray6 derjohn: I'm not sure yet. And I guess Bertl could be afraid I start promoting Xen instead :> 1144671416 Q * unui Quit: leaving 1144671590 M * ray6 or promote the use of vserver in xen :) I patched xen+vserver together on the plane back to Munich yesterday :) 1144671655 J * unui ~unui@154.35.1.8 1144672088 M * h01ger ray6, the debian-experimental kernels also do that (allready) (xen+vserver) 1144672173 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU 1144672335 Q * oDn Read error: Connection reset by peer 1144672602 M * kilgur ray6 do you favor xen over vserver? 1144672654 M * ray6 h01ger: I know, daniel also built an FC5 kernel containing both. For 2.6.16 both patches have almost no conflicts 1144672757 A * h01ger just found out that acpi doesnt work anymore on his laptop with his new vserver enabled kernel 1144672758 M * derjohn kilgur, vserfer and xen are no contradiction .... they complement each other 1144672791 M * ray6 kilgur: it depends on the intended application :) But I've been using UML for many years and am used to having an own kernel per VM, so xen was the logical next step. It's a different usage scenario than vserver 1144672956 M * kilgur ray6, i have not tried xen yet - I think the used memory must be higher 1144672977 M * kilgur ray6, how about performance and I/O? 1144673159 M * derjohn ray6, as you may have heare the gentoo booth will be free at linuxtag. it next to the vserver booth. maybe you want to take that one an present xen ? 1144673651 M * derjohn ray6, we could also promote "xen and vserver - not a xenophobia" or so :) 1144673787 Q * |coocoon| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144674012 M * ray6 derjohn: I'll most certainly won't have time to be there for more than one day, if I can make it at all. Will have to see :) 1144674087 M * ray6 kilgur: of course Xen needs more RAM as you have to assign each VM it's own RAM, no real sharing possible. And has performance disadvantages in certain areas. I have started some comparisions this weekend using vserver, openvz, native, xen and vserver in xen, will post some results when finished 1144674125 M * derjohn ray6, openvz ? 1144674126 M * ray6 kilgur: but as said, xen is not really an alternative to vserver. It's more an alternative to UML or VMware 1144674145 M * ray6 derjohn: yes 1144674190 M * kilgur ray6, oh you wer one of the luky participants of the virtualisation workshop at linux hotel? 1144674206 M * ray6 derjohn: and openvz was slightly faster on an kernel compile. Bertl believes they're chating in the kernel options and want's another test :) 1144674218 M * ray6 kilgur: indeed 1144674274 M * ray6 kilgur: gave a short presentation about xen there :) 1144674416 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A057DC.dip.t-dialin.net 1144674520 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144674695 M * insomniac re 1144675030 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1144675753 J * harti ~hw@83-215-237-5.seek.stat.salzburg-online.at 1144676170 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144676462 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1144677020 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144677714 J * mire ~mire@111-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net 1144677918 Q * harti Quit: Leaving 1144679099 J * restill ~restill@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net 1144679190 M * restill daniel_hozac: I rebooted to use the new kernel (2069) and it worked out ok, but I could not compile the nvidia driver. Other than that it was ok. I switched back to 1833 b/c of the video. 1144679214 J * ryden ~ryden@eu203-153.clientes.euskaltel.es 1144679539 J * doener ~doener@i5387D0C2.versanet.de 1144680760 J * VAndreas ~Hossa@212.110.98.7 1144680830 M * cdrx ray6: we did a lot of testing recently on openvz,vserver and xen. Openvz was not performing that well compared to vserver. Specialy on kernel build, what was the version of openvz they used ? 1144681447 M * daniel_hozac restill: hmm, it seems to work for livna on that same base kernel. are you using nvidia's crap? 1144681721 Q * doener Quit: leaving 1144681752 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144681916 Q * kilgur Read error: Connection reset by peer 1144682675 M * restill lol, yes 1144682683 M * restill It works fine for me. 1144682745 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.73.54.5 1144682747 M * restill I didn't have the latest nvidia. I just downloaded it. I will try again when I get home tonight. 1144682759 N * Loki|muh_ Loki|muh 1144682859 M * derjohn hm, in Debian sid there is no "base-config" any longer, because the installer does everything. But what do I use after debootstrap-ing a sid? 1144683039 M * derjohn Loki|muh, only 4 weeks left for LT06 vserver booth ... you marked 5.5. and 6.5 as booth personnel. How would you like to get your ticket? 1144683053 M * derjohn Will you bing hardware with you ? 1144683188 Q * |coocoon| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1144683205 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection 1144683210 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A057DC.dip.t-dialin.net 1144683228 Q * |coocoon| Quit: 1144683306 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A057DC.dip.t-dialin.net 1144684022 M * Loki|muh derjohn: i think i will bring a laptop. what are the possibilities for getting the ticket? 1144684166 M * derjohn Loki|muh, dunno 100% yet, but it seems that I fetch the tickets before LT and send it to you or you call me right before te gates of mordor^W linuxtag 1144684386 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549762E7.dip.t-dialin.net 1144684437 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144684438 M * Loki|muh hehe, okay, we will see 1144684492 M * ray6 cdrx: I used the current Version on x86_64 dualcore, kernelcompile (bertl's script) was the main testcase 1144684567 M * Loki|muh derjohn: only problem left is that i don't know how to get there, I have a few possibilities but none for sure :( 1144684587 M * derjohn Loki|muh, where are you from? 1144684602 M * Loki|muh nuremberg/bavaria 1144684622 M * derjohn Loki|muh, easy ! 1144684638 M * derjohn Two geeks from there are comming, too 1144684646 M * derjohn Loki|muh, you know Cemil or BenBen ? 1144684652 M * Loki|muh no 1144684758 M * derjohn Loki|muh, see mail private msg ? 1144685257 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.37.206 1144685402 J * dearaujo ~dan@pixpat.austin.ibm.com 1144685451 M * dearaujo I built a guest using yum, however, I have an rpm package that I need to install...can I just use vrpm? 1144685495 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1144685532 M * daniel_hozac you can also use vyum ... -- localinstall /path/to/rpm and have it solve dependencies etc. 1144685606 M * daniel_hozac that requires the package to be signed and your guest to have the key though. 1144685628 M * dearaujo hmm - looks like it installed ok using vyum <> -- localinstall 1144685656 M * dearaujo daniel_hozac: thanks for the help 1144686056 M * cdrx ray6: we did the tests last month and tried to use the 'stable' version of each. it was openvz 022stab064 on a 2.6.8 kernel, also on x86_64 dualcore 1144686251 M * ray6 cdrx: I used their FC5 kernel, 026test007. A test using the 2.1 vserver has still to be done for comparision, will do so later when I unpacked the machine :) 1144686318 M * cdrx ray6: we have plenty of data we plan to publish when they are completed on the dev versions. we ran the usual stuff (dbench, tbench, lmbench, kernelbuild) on native, patch kernel, inside a context when available, inside a virtual server or domain using a debian sarge. 1144686429 M * cdrx ray6: we did a scalability test aslo up to 1000 contexts. Interesting results. 1144686527 M * ray6 cdr: looking forward for your results... I did a scalability on xen and found a Limit at 108 domUs :) 1144686532 M * daniel_hozac cdrx: how did that work out? 1144686557 M * ray6 cdr: seems to be due to a fixed heap limit inside the xen kernel 1144686619 M * cdrx we stopped xen 3.0.1 at 7 running domains until it crashed 1144686672 M * ray6 cdrx: what did you do to it to crash? 1144686746 M * cdrx ray6: usual tests : tbench, dbench, kernelbuild. 1144686763 Q * |coocoon| Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1144686780 M * ray6 but I think that it is very clear that xen will not beat vserver in performance, whenever you can vserver is the better alternative, but whem you need more than vserver offers (like IPv6, iptables and so on) then xen IMHO is the way 1144686797 M * cdrx ray6 : xen is a different type of techno agree 1144686807 M * cdrx it provides better fault containment 1144686841 M * ray6 cdrx: vserver's main competition is openVZ - or better the other way around as Bertl is not afraid of competitors but SWSoft has all reason to be :) 1144686894 M * cdrx ray6: we did a lot of test on openvz also. xen was juts here to have a reference in the para/virtual machine. 1144686966 M * cdrx ray6 : openvz is very interesting but the results show that it's not as mature as vserver IHMO 1144687016 M * cdrx vserver is fast, real fast and stable 1144687035 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A057DC.dip.t-dialin.net 1144687163 M * cdrx ray6: i'll ping the list when we're ready to publish. but i'll be pleased to share experience. 1144687398 Q * trash Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144687453 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 483 seconds 1144687506 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1144687511 M * Bertl morning folks! 1144687529 M * Bertl hey ray6! did you see us from the airplain? 1144687535 M * Bertl *plane 1144687855 M * ray6 Bertl: no, it was cloudy :) 1144687888 M * Bertl damn! :) 1144687907 M * ray6 Bertl: I landed about 20:15 in Munich, were you allready past that then? Hmm, no, I expect not? How was the traffic? 1144687952 M * Bertl traffic was fine except for a short period on A7 1144688012 M * Bertl we finally reached home around 7:30am after three eating stops 1144688016 M * ray6 Bertl: the flight's just about 50 Minutes, I needed more time for checking in an out and returning the rental car and so... Left about 17:10 at the Hotel and was at home about 2100. Could to that by car when driving in the night, too :) 1144688081 J * matt1 ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1144688127 J * hw ~Hartmut@85-124-100-166.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1144688165 M * hw welcome 1144688392 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144688486 M * Bertl welcome hw! 1144688546 Q * matta Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144688565 Q * matt1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144688613 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-153-181-210.dsl.telesp.net.br 1144688729 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1144688778 M * Bertl wb mkhl! matta! 1144688813 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1144688823 M * matta hey 1144688826 M * matta hrm 1144688835 M * matta what is all this testing and papers I am seeing? :) 1144688857 M * matta cdrx compared openvz to vserver? 1144688857 M * ray6 papers? 1144688881 M * Bertl matta: papers? 1144688894 M * matta hrm, presentation? 1144688899 M * ray6 Bertl: I thought we burned them all? :) 1144688904 M * matta cdrx said he would "publish" soon 1144688911 M * matta usually you publish papers :) 1144688916 M * Bertl ah, obviously missed that :) 1144688925 Q * cdrx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144688932 M * ray6 matta: you can publish results without making them "papers" 1144688945 M * ray6 so, that cdrx problem is fixed :> 1144689007 M * matta ray6: papers/presentations/tests - why the reason for semantics? 1144689119 M * ray6 because I thougt you were talking about something different than the results cdrx talked about... 1144689144 P * dearaujo 1144689275 M * Bertl matta: the next few vserver tests will come from swsoft, as they seem to be testing it quite intensively 1144689388 M * matta Bertl: hrm... 1144689395 M * matta how do you know this? :) 1144689408 M * matta ray6: no, I was interested in his results.. 1144689437 M * ray6 Bertl: do you think they will publish them? 1144689449 M * Bertl matta: well, they are asking me for scheduler setups and such stuff every now and then :) 1144689462 M * Bertl matta: so it's kind of educated guessing :) 1144689614 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.Org 1144689627 M * ray6 Bertl: I'll start my athlon server later to perform the missing tests in our setup. The last run of "inside vserver 2.1 inside xen" was strange as it was massivly faster than "native" :> 1144689662 M * ray6 Bertl: but I had no time to look into it as I had to pack the machine for the plane :) 1144689732 M * matta ray6: I believe that may be due to ordered writes with the xen vbd 1144689793 M * Bertl ray6: okay, no need to hurry! 1144691020 M * |coocoon| bertl: why will the next few vserver tests come from swsoft 1144691181 M * Bertl |coocoon|: well, as I said, it's just a guess :) 1144691250 M * |coocoon| bertl: and why what should they have from it do they know now that this project is the best ;-) 1144691298 M * matta I have to disagree with Bertl on this one :) 1144691307 M * morrigan *yawn* hi... 1144691314 M * Bertl morning morrigan! :) 1144691314 M * matta swsoft will not release any tests where they are not the winner 1144691344 M * |coocoon| bertl: ah i understand 1144691350 M * |coocoon| matt 1144691351 M * |coocoon| a 1144691362 M * |coocoon| matta: ah i understand 1144691385 M * morrigan matta: an unbiased evaluation, then :) 1144691400 M * matta perhaps 1144691456 M * matta I have not done tests which is why I was interested in what cdrx had to say 1144691473 M * matta but i'm assuming ovz/vserver are comparable in performance 1144691484 M * matta except vserver has the cfq i/o scheduling 1144691491 M * matta and a less heavy network stack 1144691518 M * matta so vserver would probably be better in network load, although they claim their venet0 device is zero copy 1144691551 M * matta so Bertl must be careful with ngnet to make sure it is not a huge performance hit 1144691568 M * Bertl zero copy, zero overhead, zero downtime ... sounds like a plan :) 1144691570 M * matta I sure hope ngnet does not turn out to be vaporware :) 1144691596 M * Bertl which remind me to contact mef :) 1144691622 M * matta is mef contributing in some way? 1144691638 M * Bertl seems like planetlab is interested in ipv6 ... 1144691646 M * matta makes sense 1144691662 M * Bertl but I think we will have ipv6 outside ngnet too 1144691669 M * matta hrm 1144691681 M * matta you said the concept of ngnet was done already 1144691694 M * Bertl bonbons already put some work into that ... (ipv6 on the current isolation thing) 1144691711 M * Bertl matta: yes, a proof og concept was already done/running 1144691714 M * matta is it written up anywhere? I have lots of q's on how it will be implemented and would rather not play 100 questions :) 1144691748 M * Bertl well, I'd prefer 100 questions, because that might shed some light on missing parts ... 1144691753 M * matta ok 1144691765 M * matta fully virtualized lo and eth0 (and perhaps eth1, etc) ? 1144691777 M * Bertl yes, because interfaces will be per context 1144691792 M * Bertl i.e. you have to create them on startup, and configure them from inside 1144691801 M * matta will it be a full network stack per-context or will it be security isolation on a case-by-case basis such as ovz does? 1144691830 M * Bertl int the final version, the stack will be shared, but fully isolated 1144691864 M * matta so ngnet will be limited in it's functionality 1144691864 M * Bertl i.e. a table/decision/interface/ip in one guest does not affect stuff in another 1144691873 M * Bertl limited in what way? 1144691902 M * matta well, will netfilter be virtualized or will you need to virtualize each individual netfilter module? 1144691935 M * matta what about ipsec, tunneling, and ipv6 -- will that be supported? 1144691947 M * matta what about gre tunnels? 1144691958 M * Bertl yes, sure 1144691969 M * Bertl it will 'require' an additional context cap 1144691969 M * matta yes to which question? :) 1144691979 M * Bertl to allow for creating new devices 1144691993 M * Bertl (the second one) 1144692012 M * Bertl netfilter will be virtualized, but you will not be able to have per-guest modules 1144692034 M * matta how will routing be done, will it be proxy arp where the host acts as a router, bridging, etc? 1144692041 M * Bertl i.e. modules available in the kernel (or loaded on the host) will work inside, but nothing more 1144692046 M * matta I know before you used iptables forwarding on the host 1144692055 M * Bertl that depends on the setup and the case 1144692063 M * Bertl we have three different setups basically 1144692065 M * matta Bertl: but every module will work "out of the box" if it's loaded ? 1144692085 M * Bertl I'd assume so, unless it does some special caching and isn't isolated yet 1144692108 M * Bertl but that is part of the 'full isolation' 1144692119 M * matta having support for state/ip_conn_track is a biggie 1144692151 M * Bertl yes, but as I said, in no case we can virtualize away a module 1144692159 M * Bertl this is UML/xen stuff 1144692177 M * matta for your own testing compatability I'd recommend trying apf inside the vserver 1144692183 M * Bertl so the module, if it keeps some kind of state information, has to do the insolation part 1144692200 M * matta that tries to use all kinds of obscure iptables stuff (it doesn't properly load under ovz) 1144692211 M * Bertl url? 1144692228 M * matta http://www.rfxnetworks.com/apf.php 1144692274 M * Bertl okay, sounds interesting ... thanks for the hint 1144692289 M * matta getting apf to work properly without modification inside a vserver would be a milestone marker I think 1144692349 M * matta what about sysctl's, the network tunables can be set for the virtual interface? 1144692360 M * matta and what about limiting the resources? 1144692402 M * matta ex. we want vservers to be able to turn on/off syncookies, ecn, increase tcp buffer sizes 1144692433 M * matta but we also want it to count against the vservers memory allocation (or some sort of separate "network memory" allocation) 1144692465 Q * restill Quit: Leaving 1144692492 P * |coocoon| 1144692575 J * |coocoon| ~coocoon@p54A057DC.dip.t-dialin.net 1144692685 M * Bertl matta: the network resources you mean? 1144692708 M * Bertl well, we will add limits for them on a need to have basis I think 1144692727 M * Bertl i.e. if somebody requests it, and it seems useful and required, we will add them 1144692734 M * matta Bertl: right 1144692745 M * Bertl limits are basically easy to do, accounting will usually be there long before though 1144692808 M * matta ok, so it's not even known yet what should be limited 1144692859 M * matta and what is the overhead expected to be? it won't be N/2 like you just posted to the list? 1144692944 M * Bertl the overhead for ngnet is a completely different issue 1144692955 M * Bertl basically we have a _single_ stack transition now 1144692978 M * Bertl in ngnet this will be different from case to case 1144692999 M * Bertl i.e. loopback local will have a single strack transition too 1144693009 M * Bertl something like VPN the same 1144693028 M * Bertl networking 'through' the host will add a second stack transition 1144693041 M * Bertl like for UML/Xen/Virtuozzo 1144693047 M * Bertl +(tm) 1144693051 M * matta right 1144693078 M * matta so instead of how it is now the host will essentially act as a router 1144693086 M * Bertl router or switch 1144693100 M * matta depending on proxy arp or .. ? 1144693107 M * Bertl but only for the guests using the ngnet feture 1144693159 M * matta hrm, so under current design ovz will probably benchmark better than vserver if they try to use many IP's 1144693209 M * Bertl I don't know where the point is where oVZ will break even with VServer network wise 1144693237 M * Bertl but honestly, I've not seen many guests with more than 16 ips 1144693250 M * Bertl (otherwise folks would have pushed that issue earlier) 1144693280 M * matta I host a few thousand guests and the most I've seen is <16 1144693294 M * matta i've seen requests for more, but they were denied as they were for IRC purposes 1144693379 J * brc bruce@20151191041.user.veloxzone.com.br 1144693564 M * Bertl welcome brc! 1144693985 J * loud ~2loud@ad22-m29.net.t-com.hr 1144694501 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net 1144694906 M * Bertl welcome loud! 1144694909 M * Bertl wb cdrx! 1144695090 Q * loud Quit: leaving... 1144695318 M * cdrx hi bertl 1144695465 Q * michal` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144695546 M * brc bertl! 1144695558 M * brc i'vebeen kinda busy but the test enviroment is ok 1144695568 M * brc i am finishing some work and will be here at night so we can talk 1144695569 M * brc :) 1144695578 M * Bertl me too, great, btw! 1144695703 M * jake- hi everybody 1144695709 M * Bertl hey jake-! 1144695749 M * jake- hi bertl. i have some newbie questions ;) 1144695753 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1144695762 M * Bertl wb michal`! 1144695846 M * jake- vserver DebianSid build -m debootstrap -- -d sid -m ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ -- --resolve-deps 1144695849 M * jake- ups 1144695858 M * Bertl :) 1144695872 M * Bertl you should at least add --context there 1144695888 M * jake- anyway ;) i'm using this from the step-by-step guide to build a guest 1144695892 M * Bertl (i.e. avoid dynamic contexts, use static --context 42) 1144695914 Q * unui Quit: brb 1144695956 M * jake- ok i inserted the context. however the error stays the same: E: No such script: ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ 1144696094 M * Bertl vserver DebianSid build -m debootstrap --context 42 -- -d sid -m ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ 1144696100 M * Bertl does this fail? 1144696118 M * Bertl if necessary add --force after 'build' 1144696127 M * jake- thats working 1144696133 M * jake- even without force 1144696152 M * jake- err no. E: Couldn't download base-config 1144696176 M * Bertl could you upload the testme.sh output? 1144696184 M * jake- mom pls 1144696185 M * Bertl (e.g. on pastebin.com) 1144696272 M * jake- http://pastebin.com/651957 1144696319 M * Bertl try the following: 1144696324 M * daniel_hozac sid changed a lot. 1144696339 M * Bertl ARCH=i386 vserver DebianSid build --force -m debootstrap --context 42 -- -d sid -m ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ 1144696358 M * SNy 42? 1144696372 M * Bertl well, 42 is the answer, no? 1144696379 M * SNy of course 1144696381 M * SNy :) 1144696404 M * Bertl (was just an example, context id should better be unique per guest) 1144696411 M * SNy The answer to the question of life, the universe and everything. 1144696421 M * SNy 23! 1144696422 M * SNy ;p 1144696444 M * daniel_hozac jake-: try -d sarge or -d etch instead of -d sid. 1144696460 M * SNy or, should you be a fan of Lost, 4, 8, 15, 16, or the two above ;P 1144696464 M * jake- ok trying 1144696519 M * Bertl SNy: yeah :) 1144696521 M * jake- ah nice. sarge is retrieving packages 1144696545 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: so sid is not debootstrapable anymore? 1144696563 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: isn't sid unstable? might just be temporary. 1144696596 M * Bertl atm it seems 'broken' to me :) 1144696609 M * daniel_hozac isn't that what unstable usually means? :) 1144696629 M * jake- I: Base system installed successfully. 1144696633 M * jake- thanks for your help! 1144696639 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: nah, unstable just means that it can break easily :) 1144696693 M * Bertl jake-: you probably want to rerun it with some --interface statement too 1144696711 M * Bertl otherwise your guest will have no networking stuff configured 1144696724 M * Bertl (of course, you can add that by hand too) 1144696736 M * jake- i stripped almost everything from the command to find the mistake 1144696812 M * ddlp 10,001 - 25,000 suscriptores = 150 dolares al mes 1144696831 M * ddlp oops, wrong window 1144696848 M * Bertl hey ddlp! :) 1144696896 M * ddlp hey Bertl! 1144696906 Q * matti Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144697201 M * Bertl nap attack ... back later 1144697210 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1144698233 J * unui ~unui@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1144698794 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1144698855 N * _mcp mcp 1144699522 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1144700335 M * SiD3WiNDR question; is ipv6 usable in current releases? 1144700340 M * SiD3WiNDR I seem to recall bertl saying something like that 1144700361 M * SiD3WiNDR like, it's not virtualized, but you can assign v6 ip's to an interface, then bind guest daemons to those ip's? 1144700430 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, Bertl_zZ , sid is of course debootstrappable, but base-config vanished. it was replaced by debootstrap --second-stage, which is broken at the time :) 1144700561 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, i dont think so. you could maybe NAT from V6 to v4 ubti a guest. v6 will be supported with NGNet. 1144701610 M * daniel_hozac SiD3WiNDR: IIRC it's completely disabled within guests right now. 1144701644 M * Hollow *bounce* 1144701689 M * SiD3WiNDR ahm. 1144701691 M * SiD3WiNDR pity :) 1144701703 M * SiD3WiNDR also pity that I just missed bonbons 1144701713 M * daniel_hozac indeed. 1144701802 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, will you visit linuxtag in germany? .be is not that far away ... 1144701903 M * SiD3WiNDR I don't think so 1144701915 M * SiD3WiNDR no budget and no planning space :/ 1144701934 J * dearaujo ~dan@pixpat.austin.ibm.com 1144701948 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, at least you could meet the mighty Bertl there .. maybe that is a motivation ;) 1144701961 M * SiD3WiNDR heheh 1144701973 M * SiD3WiNDR true :] 1144701998 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, I am asking because I am the guy with the staff and or the free tickets :) 1144702006 M * dearaujo i'm getting the following errors after trying to create an fc5 guest: vcontext: Username 'root' does not exist 1144702007 M * dearaujo /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc5/initpost: line 66: 5069 Segmentation fault $_VSERVER "$1" chkconfig "$i" off 1144702012 M * dearaujo any ideas? 1144702013 M * SiD3WiNDR derjohn: oh ;) 1144702022 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: segmentation fault? ouch. 1144702024 M * SiD3WiNDR well at the moment not a lot of chance that I'll be there 1144702025 M * derjohn See: http://linux-vserver.org/linuxtag2006 1144702029 M * SiD3WiNDR I'll take another look :) 1144702041 M * dearaujo daniel_hozac: yeah, I was able to create the first fc5 guest ok 1144702053 M * dearaujo it doesn't like this one... 1144702068 M * dearaujo 5 seg faults total 1144702085 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, you could even join forces with the other guy from .be (was it daca ???) 1144702090 A * [PUPPETS]Gonzo asks denjohn for two free tickets. 1144702110 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: damn, yeah, that's a total bug. 1144702129 A * derjohn asks [PUPPETS]Gonzo to committing himself to the booth, then he would only need one free ticket for his spouse! 1144702145 M * dearaujo anything I can do to get you the data you need? 1144702146 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo sounds like work to do 1144702155 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: no, that's more than enough. thanks. 1144702169 M * derjohn [PUPPETS]Gonzo, no no no .. thats opire fun ;) 1144702172 M * derjohn *pure 1144702262 M * [PUPPETS]Gonzo pure work :( 1144702304 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: what arch? are you using my RPMs? 1144702309 M * derjohn derjohn's idea is defaced by [PUPPETS]Gonzo 1144702321 M * dearaujo daniel_hozac: yes, using your rpms - i386, FC5 1144702579 M * daniel_hozac it's building now, should be ready in a few minutes. 1144702588 M * dearaujo great thanks 1144702607 M * dearaujo what was the issue? 1144702669 M * daniel_hozac i forgot some return statements in the error branches, and to patch one of the suexec uses in the vserver script. 1144702702 J * kingruedi ~king@p508B4660.dip.t-dialin.net 1144702707 M * dearaujo least its an easy one (at least thats what it sounds like) 1144702733 M * daniel_hozac yep. sort of ashamed i didn't get that right though :) 1144702985 Q * unui Remote host closed the connection 1144703065 J * unui ~unui@149.9.0.21 1144703217 M * nebuchadnezzar micah: ping ? 1144703254 Q * hw Quit: Client exiting 1144703287 M * nebuchadnezzar excuse me to borring you but do you have a backport of util-vserver 0.30.210-6 ? 1144703417 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: 0.30.210-13.fc5 pushed. 1144703428 M * dearaujo updating now 1144703710 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144703986 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549772C7.dip.t-dialin.net 1144704023 M * daniel_hozac dearaujo: that solved it, right? 1144704032 M * dearaujo its still running atm 1144704046 M * dearaujo i should restart 1144704645 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-106.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1144704773 M * dearaujo daniel_hozac: worked! 1144704786 M * daniel_hozac great, thanks. 1144704799 M * dearaujo np - thanks for the quick fix 1144705054 M * dearaujo daniel_hozac: creation worked, but now I get this when I try to start it... 1144705061 M * dearaujo vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'sshserv'; returned value was '' 1144705164 M * daniel_hozac hmm, do you have any services inside the guest that are set to start? 1144705192 M * dearaujo not that I know of - this is first start... 1144705243 M * daniel_hozac ls /vservers/.../etc/rc3.d/S* 1144705269 M * dearaujo just the syslog 1144705282 M * dearaujo and S99local 1144705386 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection 1144705416 M * daniel_hozac hmm, syslog should keep running. 1144705440 M * daniel_hozac does it work if you echo ^38 >> /etc/vservers/.../flags ? 1144705484 M * dearaujo yep 1144705492 M * dearaujo wait 1144705526 M * dearaujo well it says it started but vserver-stat only shows the root server 1144705577 M * daniel_hozac can you enter it? 1144705593 M * daniel_hozac did you see syslog starting before? 1144705594 M * dearaujo nope 1144705602 M * dearaujo no i cant enter it 1144705626 M * daniel_hozac hmm, interesting indeed... does the xid exist in /proc/virtual? 1144705631 M * dearaujo no - it never started - when I tried vserver .. start the first time (after creation) it just failed 1144705642 M * dearaujo checking 1144705648 M * daniel_hozac and when you added the ^38? 1144705662 M * dearaujo the xid is there 1144705665 M * dearaujo in /proc 1144705693 M * dearaujo after adding the ^38 it says it started but vserver-stat showed nothing. 1144705717 M * dearaujo nothing about the syslog during startup either... 1144705723 M * daniel_hozac well, vserver-stat is rather broken. 1144705735 M * dearaujo oh? 1144705738 M * daniel_hozac i wonder why you can't enter it... it should work. 1144705805 M * daniel_hozac i guess the utils aren't quite up to speed on the persistent thing. 1144705846 M * daniel_hozac vattribute --flags ~^38 --set --xid ... should make the context go away. 1144705943 M * dearaujo i just rebooted and now get : Starting syslog: /etc/init.d/functions: line 440: /etc/rc3.d/S12syslog: No such file or directory 1144705944 M * dearaujo [FAILED] 1144705989 M * daniel_hozac hmm, interesting. where does /etc/rc3.d/S12syslog point? 1144706021 M * daniel_hozac you should be able to get a shell inside the vserver with vserver ... start --rescue bash -l 1144706040 M * dearaujo S12syslog -> ../init.d/syslog 1144706058 M * daniel_hozac and that doesn't exist? 1144706076 Q * alexx Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144706076 M * dearaujo it does 1144706086 M * daniel_hozac hmm, are you using tagxid? 1144706092 M * dearaujo yep 1144706100 M * dearaujo static context 1144706106 M * daniel_hozac what xid(s) are the files tagged with? 1144706109 M * dearaujo 102 1144706114 M * dearaujo well 1144706120 M * dearaujo i havent tagged yet 1144706128 M * dearaujo do I need to before start? 1144706137 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1144706140 M * dearaujo tagged with 0 atm 1144706141 M * dearaujo ha 1144706148 M * daniel_hozac that should work then. 1144706155 A * dearaujo is embraased 1144706332 M * dearaujo yep that did it 1144706338 M * dearaujo sorry - thx 1144706347 M * daniel_hozac great 1144706829 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-215-74.sttnwaho.covad.net 1144707126 Q * _mountie Remote host closed the connection 1144707189 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, is thuis projects name linux-vserver.org or simply linux-vserver .... ? 1144707199 P * dearaujo 1144707238 M * daniel_hozac Linux-VServer, i guess. 1144707560 M * micah nebuchadnezzar: pong 1144708104 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1144708109 M * Bertl back now ... 1144708325 M * derjohn Hi Bertl ... is the correct project's name: Linux-VServer ? or Linux-VServer.org? 1144708415 M * derjohn the wiki says even Linux VServer without "-" .... 1144708473 M * Bertl the project name seems to be Linux-VServer 1144708487 M * Bertl but usually for the url we use linux-vserver.org 1144708489 M * daniel_hozac "seems to be"? :) 1144708501 M * derjohn i would say: now it is "Linux-VServer" 1144708504 M * derjohn :) 1144708523 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, look at the 1st page of the wiki, 3rd line h1 tag ;) 1144708529 M * Bertl well, we had no special decision process to _make_ it Linux-VServer but I tried to be consistant :) 1144708553 M * derjohn Linux VServer Project -> Linux-VServer Project 1144708560 M * Bertl go ahead! 1144708569 M * derjohn saved :) 1144708603 M * derjohn now I need to make a cool description for linuxtag catalogue ... 1144708611 M * derjohn any voluenteers ? 1144708623 A * Bertl hides ... 1144708664 M * derjohn "is for kernel-based virtual servers running on a single piece of hardware". 1144708698 M * derjohn hmmm ... not really ... there are even desktops which run it with 2*Graphics and Keyboard ... 1144708701 M * Bertl .o(in theory we also run on multiple pieces of hardware, if they are sufficiently connected :) 1144708732 M * Bertl derjohn: for ideas: http://linux-vserver.org/short+presentation 1144708744 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper 1144708749 M * derjohn we should change the projects name to LSC: Linux Securitry Contexts ;) 1144708901 M * Wonka why? 1144708911 M * Wonka nobody will know it anymore... 1144708925 M * Bertl don't worry, he is just kidding ... 1144708926 M * Wonka "vservers" are already known 1144708927 M * derjohn Wonka, just kidding ;) [because we are not server centric anymore ...] 1144708941 M * Wonka ok 1144708952 M * Wonka hm 1144708958 M * derjohn ah, Wonka from .de -> will you join us at Linuxtag next month ? ;) 1144708966 M * Wonka does linux-vserver support sparc64? 1144708974 M * Wonka most likely not :( 1144708983 M * Wonka university lectures and stuff 1144708986 M * Bertl we had it running yesterday on T2000 :) 1144708992 M * Wonka aah 1144708997 M * daniel_hozac and nebuchadnezzar has been using it on sparc64. 1144709004 M * derjohn "Linux-VServer is for running multiple instances of Linux on a single machine." [/me thinks this is wrong if you regard linux as the kernel only ... but reads handy] 1144709007 M * daniel_hozac the Debian package should work fine. 1144709009 M * Wonka i am just now booting a T2000 with 2.6.17-rc1 1144709017 M * daniel_hozac (for util-vserver) 1144709021 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: it does ... 1144709024 M * Wonka 0:0> POST Passed all devices. 1144709042 M * Wonka *wait* 1144709051 M * Bertl Wonka: you will need a ported patch, there is none for 2.6.17-rc1 yet (officially) 1144709061 M * Bertl Wonka: I'm working on the official version right now 1144709062 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: didn't you notice the input bug on vserver ... enter? :) 1144709086 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: no, as I didn't have the time to test a real guest 1144709101 M * Wonka Bertl: cool 1144709125 M * Bertl we had a hard time to get the T2000 working at all 1144709146 M * Bertl we had to break up the harware raid to make the device visible to linux 1144709182 M * Wonka i wouldn't use hardware raid if i also can do JBOD... 1144709198 M * Wonka at least not if it's not much slower 1144709228 M * Bertl well, the machine was running soalris before, and probably is running solaris right now again 1144709248 M * Bertl we just had it available for the weekend 1144709271 M * Bertl it would be _very_ interesting to test how many guests it can handle 1144709326 M * brc bertl.. back. :) 1144709332 M * brc just finished all job stuff 1144709334 M * Bertl ah, great! 1144709339 M * Bertl excellent timing 1144709348 M * brc going to play with the quota stuff right now 1144709468 M * Wonka boot disk0 /pci@7c0/pci@0/pci@1/pci@0,2/LSILogic,sas@2/disk@0;1/vmlinuz-2.6.17-rc1 root=/dev/sda2 1144709491 M * Wonka too bad if one forgets to change that symlink... 1144709659 M * brc bertl i am doing 2.6.16.1 with vs2.1.1-rc15 1144709667 M * brc ok ? I though i had the kernel compiled, but it isn't. finishing 1144709669 M * daniel_hozac not 2.6.16.2? :) 1144709684 M * brc Hmmmmm :P should i download 2.6.16.2 and start all over? hehe 1144709700 M * Wonka just patch the diff in? 1144709709 M * Wonka interdiff rocks 1144709723 M * Wonka and .1 -> .2 is not that much 1144709724 M * Bertl both 2.6.16.1 and .2 should be fine for our purpose 1144709791 M * daniel_hozac Wonka: you know about http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/incr/ right? 1144709797 M * Wonka yes 1144709816 M * Wonka but i don't know, at the moment, if there are diffs to got from .1 to .2 1144709851 M * daniel_hozac why wouldn't there be? 1144709883 M * Wonka i also have had the problem that i couldn't find a diff from 2.6.${n}-git${latest} to 2.6.${n+1}... 1144709899 M * Wonka but then, i won't say it wasn't my stupidity 1144710028 M * Bertl brc: but as I said, first ext2 only 1144710128 M * brc so the steps will be: 1144710145 M * brc 1 - get results from testscript running on the host 1144710147 M * brc 2 - ? 1144710159 M * Bertl the best approach would be: 1144710175 M * Bertl 1) get a set of test results from 2.6.16.x on ext2 1144710195 M * Bertl 2) verify that the 2.6.16.x-vs2.1.1 kernel gives the same (on the host) 1144710229 M * Bertl 3) add the patch I will upload shortly to test that we get similar results on the host 1144710247 M * Bertl 4) move into a guest and test again 1144710331 M * Bertl we will have a few tests first, i.e. with disabled quota just to check that it doesn't kill the kernel 1144710424 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-200-193.pools.arcor-ip.net 1144710460 M * Bertl I think you can do the first steps right now, just decide to use one base kernel, e.g. 2.6.16.1 or 2.6.16.2 1144710472 M * brc i am with 2.6.16.1 1144710473 M * brc compiling 1144710484 M * brc just made distcc + ccache working so we can play faster :) 1144710494 M * Bertl ok, good idea 1144710503 M * brc gonna have some other machines join the cluster so i can get it faster 1144710510 M * brc i am tooking note of everything you say 1144710512 M * brc about the tests. 1144710516 M * brc as soon as the compilation finish i will start 1144710527 M * brc i will also keep a copy of each kernel if we need to re-do something 1144710797 M * Wonka ccache? 1144710820 M * Wonka i do a make clean ; make -j 32 in 5 minutes... 1144710828 M * Wonka why should i need ccache :) 1144710851 M * Wonka .oO( one could notice that a T2000 is fun ) 1144710852 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1144710892 M * brc which machine do you have ? 1144710918 M * Wonka u'm just booting another kernel rebuild... 1144710950 M * Bertl I was somewhat disappointed by the T2000 compile speed 1144710960 M * brc what is t2000? 1144710972 M * Bertl actually a quad Xeon 3GHz did outperform the machine 1144710973 M * Wonka Bertl: Sun Fire T2000 1144710982 M * Wonka ergh 1144710984 M * Wonka brc, i meant 1144711001 M * brc must cost expensive :) 1144711008 M * brc i need a quad xeon 1144711053 M * Bertl Wonka: but for vserver I think it would be a good choice 1144711059 M * Wonka :) 1144711073 M * Wonka is not made for compiling, yes 1144711094 M * Wonka more for integer crunching 1144711104 M * brc brc: last, but not least, it would be nice to check the dlimits too, as they are 1144711105 M * brc related to the quota 1144711116 M * brc How should i do thsi check ? 1144711151 M * daniel_hozac same way you're doing quota checks, but use vdlimit's output instead? 1144711189 M * Bertl yep, precisely (or df values) 1144711247 M * brc So this test will be done after the quota tests, right? Or you want to check the actual behave ? 1144711267 M * brc i mean, if it is behaving correctly right now 1144711382 M * Bertl the dlimit will not change, so you can test now or later 1144711418 M * brc i though you wanted to see how dlimit would behave after quota patches were applied 1144711437 M * brc Ok so i will have quota_test.sh and dlimit_test.sh and we make 2 separate tests 1144711477 M * brc dlimit_test.sh will do the same, set limits copy file and check output from df.. It will loop until limit is reached 1144711531 M * derjohn Volunteer Bertl, maybe daniel_hozac : http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-self-definition . would you mind to have a look onto it before I submit it to LinuxTag? changes welcome! 1144711612 M * Bertl security contexts -> Context Isolation 1144711793 M * brc the should be a percent bar during kernel compilation. i dont know if it will still take 5 minutes or 60 minutes 1144711795 M * brc :) 1144712030 M * derjohn Bertl, done. /me will enter power saving mode for some hours now. n8 all ! 1144712050 M * Bertl good night! 1144712141 Q * ryden Read error: Connection reset by peer 1144712960 M * derjohn Bertl, what about adding http://linux-vserver.org/linuxtag2006 to the topic temporarily? 1144713009 M * Bertl if there is enough space left, so be it 1144713025 M * brc bertl the first 2 kernels are done and i am already running the tests. 1144713046 M * brc without groups at this time. i haven't fixed the script to suppor it yet 1144713223 M * Bertl okay, please upload the results somewhere 1144713571 M * brc test is still running, about 5-10 minutes to finish