1142812830 Q * rmoriz Remote host closed the connection 1142812863 J * rmoriz ~roland@moriz.name 1142814851 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-204-023.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142815260 P * matta 1142817164 J * lost_eps ~lost_eps@64.233.178.4 1142817193 M * lost_eps hi all 1142817272 M * lost_eps I am trying to run 2 independant mail servers on 2 vservers........when I start 1 alone it works fine, but when I start the second vserver it takes over the mail ports and the first vserver stops responding to those ports (110,25) 1142817301 M * lost_eps any ideas? 1142817403 M * mugwump lost_eps: probably they're both configured to use the same IP address 1142817411 M * mugwump in /etc/vservers 1142817661 M * lost_eps no, I checked that 1142817675 M * mugwump what does `ip addr list' in each show? 1142817705 M * mugwump also, you need to restart them after making changes like that 1142817739 M * lost_eps they each show their correct ip (192.168.0.1 and the other has 192.168.0.2) 1142817754 M * lost_eps i've stopped and started each vserver like 50 times trying to figure it out 1142817794 M * mugwump also `netstat -plunt' is useful to see what IP/port things are listening on 1142817821 M * mugwump try that inside each vserver, and from the outside with `chcontext --ctx 1 /bin/netstat -plunt' 1142818007 A * lost_eps looking 1142818153 M * doener are those ip addresses used directly or rewritten using iptables? 1142818243 M * lost_eps they are added directly from /etc/vservers/ 1142818258 M * lost_eps when the vserver is stopped it is no longer available to the host machine 1142818483 M * doener i meant, when accessing the mail server 1142818524 M * lost_eps oh, using them directly 1142818917 M * lost_eps nevermind, I think I found the problem.......I made a master "mail server" that I cloned by copying the other 2 mail servers using cp -la and they are looking at the same directory which holds a lock file (from the hardlink), so I have to fix this manually 1142820365 Q * nokoya Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142820368 Q * cehteh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142820789 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1142820899 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-163.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1142821113 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1142821121 M * Bertl back now ... 1142821254 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142821700 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au 1142821714 M * Bertl welcome anonc! 1142821733 M * anonc Bertl: thanks 1142821749 M * anonc Bertl: still throwing ideas around about how I'd like to use drbd and vserver - is the idea that every vserver shares the same parent directory (/vservers or whatever) deeply embedded into the tools? (Thinking about how to use cow links for testing with an active-active drbd vserver configuration) 1142821791 M * Bertl well, no, it's not strictly required IMHO, but if you want to use CoW you ahve to have a common filesystem 1142821865 M * anonc yeah - so if vserver1 is mounted as /vservers/vserver1 and vserver2 is mounted as /vservers/vserver2 and each of those is a drbd device, then you can't use cow links to create a test version of either since they exist in the root of the drbd device filesystem 1142821887 M * Bertl precisely 1142821979 M * anonc but if you could have /vservers/abc/vserver1 and /vservers/xyz/vserver2 where abc and xyz are the drbd mountpoints, then you could create cow copies of vserver1 and vserver2 on their respective drbd devices 1142822010 M * Bertl yep 1142822147 M * anonc hmm - so changing where /etc/vservers//vdir points might be enough... 1142822218 M * Bertl it actually should be 1142822238 M * Bertl but you can also use --bind mounts to 'rearrange' your locations 1142823190 M * anonc ah yes - forgot about bind mounts - very handy they are 1142824033 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142824103 M * Dr4g Anyone here looking for webhosting ? 1142824146 Q * cehteh Quit: 1142824223 J * GNUcifer foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142825970 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-203-070.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142826363 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142826685 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-200-239.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142826703 Q * lost_eps Quit: Leaving 1142827083 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142827355 Q * Plux Quit: 1142827644 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-198-070.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142828043 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142828888 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142831469 Q * GNUcifer Remote host closed the connection 1142831612 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142832253 M * Bertl k, off to bed now .. back tomorrow! 1142832263 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1142833621 Q * cehteh Remote host closed the connection 1142833821 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142834422 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06B4B.dip.t-dialin.net 1142834427 M * coocoon morning 1142834851 P * qfire 1142836250 J * DataCompBoy ~datacompb@217.8.236.1 1142836259 M * DataCompBoy Hello, all! 1142836268 M * DataCompBoy One more question about disk limits... 1142836291 M * DataCompBoy size: 512MB, used 486MB, and free -- 76K ?! 1142836856 M * coocoon DataCompBoy: which inode u have 1142836875 M * DataCompBoy inodes limit 150000, not reached 1142836902 M * DataCompBoy there also vserver report abount mounted /tmp with size of 16MB -- 486+16 = 512 :) 1142836936 M * Hollow tmp is usually mounted with tmpfs 1142836959 M * DataCompBoy yep, so: why I have space 16mb less than max size defined?... 1142836976 M * Hollow hm, i'm not a dlimit expert tbh.. 1142836976 M * coocoon DataCompBoy: inodes_used what have u set there 1142836993 M * DataCompBoy coocoon: 150000 1142837089 M * coocoon i think u should there set the inodes_used of u r filesystem like inodes_used=8950 1142837123 M * DataCompBoy I have tried that with re-running of vdlimit -- same effect... 1142837197 M * coocoon DataCompBoy: here is my http://phpfi.com/108262 1142837231 M * coocoon for 1G 1142837512 M * Hollow DataCompBoy: do you have util-vserver-0.30.210? 1142837520 M * DataCompBoy yes 1142837526 M * DataCompBoy I have made yesterday:) 1142837529 M * Hollow why don't you use the built-in dlimit support then? 1142837550 M * DataCompBoy I use it 1142837564 M * DataCompBoy but once i have lost any free space, how to extend without restart ? 1142837568 M * Hollow why did you paste that dlimit one-liner than? 1142837594 M * DataCompBoy that was coocoon :) 1142837597 M * Hollow you can configure dlimits for each guest in /etc/vservers//dlimits 1142837601 M * Hollow oh 1142837603 M * Hollow indeed. 1142837608 A * Hollow goes back to bed 1142837612 M * DataCompBoy yes, I have configured 512mb for my guest. 1142837620 M * DataCompBoy but size: 512MB, used 486MB, and free -- 76K ?! 1142837686 M * Hollow and 486MB is correct? 1142837696 M * DataCompBoy yes. 1142837711 M * Hollow which filesystem? 1142837716 M * DataCompBoy ext3 1142837770 M * Hollow hm 1142837785 M * Hollow maybe it counts the reserved for root 5% in? 1142837794 M * DataCompBoy i'm root... :) 1142837813 M * DataCompBoy also, 5% is 25.6mb, not 16mb 1142837840 M * Hollow hm... 512/1.05=487.6 1142837866 M * DataCompBoy why you /1.05? you need *0.95 1142837879 M * DataCompBoy oops 1142837881 M * DataCompBoy :) 1142837888 M * DataCompBoy 486.4 1142837888 M * DataCompBoy you right 1142837890 M * Hollow :) 1142837893 M * DataCompBoy may be. but i'm root... :/ 1142837896 M * Hollow i'm wrong, but right 1142837897 M * Hollow haha 1142837932 M * Hollow well, maybe it doesn't matter if yo're root or not, for df 1142837949 M * Hollow so, try reserved=0 and see if something changes 1142838430 Q * ebacve_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142839164 J * Aiken__ ~james@tooax8-185.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1142839514 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142841069 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@146.50.22.204 1142841466 A * ||Cobra|| morning folks 1142843125 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1142843610 Q * cehteh Remote host closed the connection 1142843674 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142843719 J * teukka ~tmatilai@backport.ri.fi 1142844879 Q * mire Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142845503 Q * harry Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142845741 J * mire ~mire@129-166-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.Verat.NET 1142847249 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it 1142847305 M * pagano hi 1142847338 Q * DataCompBoy Quit: Õðÿï 1142847611 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-200.lhi.is 1142848192 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be 1142848308 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-57-55.netcologne.de 1142848454 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142848454 N * Smutje_ Smutje 1142849154 Q * Dr4g Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142849307 J * michal` ~michal@www.rsbac.org 1142850588 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-202-151.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142850934 Q * Aiken__ Quit: Leaving 1142851739 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-223-076.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142852093 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142852690 Q * wasser Remote host closed the connection 1142852897 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-224-138.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142853052 J * wasser ~wasser@ip86.ipax.at 1142853090 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-224-70.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1142853298 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142853559 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-232-111.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142853958 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142854048 J * pagano_ ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it 1142854048 Q * pagano Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142854321 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-227-113.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142854625 Q * daniel_hozac Quit: bbiab 1142854678 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142855299 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-205-182.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142855698 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142856274 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-230-121.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142856628 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142857327 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-234-042.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142857509 J * lilalinux ~plasma@dslb-084-058-225-239.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142857683 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142857726 J * lilalinux__ ~plasma@h1-gw.of.net-lab.net 1142857854 Q * pagano_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142857863 Q * lilalinux_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142857993 Q * lilalinux Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142858070 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1142858096 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06B4B.dip.t-dialin.net 1142858797 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-2d1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 1142859215 M * Soekris ls 1142859257 M * Soekris 49224 5 12.6M 4.5M 0m03s67 0m01s58 1d03h33. How can i shutdown this nameless vserver 1142859413 M * daniel_hozac vkill --xid 49224 0 1142859493 M * Soekris daniel_hozac: thanx 1142859512 M * Soekris daniel_hozac: can you say where i can read this kind of stuff ? 1142859550 M * daniel_hozac the source? :) 1142859583 M * Soekris are you a devoloper of vserver ? 1142859732 M * daniel_hozac not really, just a packager. 1142860197 J * pagano ~pagano@lappagano.cnaf.infn.it 1142861343 Q * coocoon Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142861650 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A06B4B.dip.t-dialin.net 1142862022 Q * Ben81 Quit: Leaving 1142863270 M * Soekris I have installed this weekend a fc4 vserver. And i have copied to my ubuntu installation but it wil not start 1142863278 J * lilalinux_ ~plasma@dslb-084-058-218-018.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142863281 M * Soekris (/etc/rc.d/rc 3) failed 1142863288 M * Soekris save_ctxinfo: readlink("/etc/vservers/vs2/run"): No such file or directory 1142863295 M * Soekris verry strange 1142863303 Q * lilalinux__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142863303 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142864496 M * coocoon Soekris: does this file exist /etc/vservers/vs2/run 1142864524 M * Soekris nope 1142864535 M * Soekris can i toch that file 1142864544 M * Soekris touch that file 1142864549 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549775D0.dip.t-dialin.net 1142864576 M * coocoon hm i think it is better to vreate a skeleton and then paste the guest template /versrvers or ... 1142864613 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142864627 M * Soekris vreate ? 1142864639 M * coocoon crate 1142864642 M * coocoon create 1142864648 M * coocoon or build 1142864674 M * Soekris i must have a fc4 on a ubuntu breezy install 1142864685 M * Soekris thats te problem. 1142864698 M * Soekris i got a gast on a fc4 host machine 1142864727 M * Soekris how can i install on the best way the fc4 gast on the breezy 1142864734 M * coocoon u can also let it run on ubuntu 1142864749 M * Soekris but how 1142864753 M * coocoon it is better to build fc4 on fc4 1142864761 M * Soekris i have done that 1142864785 M * coocoon do u have the template of the installed guest this weekend 1142864794 M * Soekris nope 1142864804 M * Soekris how can i make a template 1142864903 M * coocoon Soekris: go into the folder of the /vservers/fc4 guest and type "tar cjvpf ../foo_template.tar.bz2 ./" 1142865078 M * Soekris is it normal that mij terminal is bieping 1142865125 M * coocoon dunno 1142865128 M * brc_ when i am inside a vserver and i open a tcp connection to localhost, which is the source ip? i am having some firewall problems. For example, users who drop packets on port 25 wont be able to telnet localhost 25. 1142865222 J * Anata|A ~uIRC@202.72.96.150 1142865258 M * Soekris coocoon: and what mus i do when i have a template ? 1142865382 M * daniel_hozac brc_: should be the guest's first IP address. 1142865431 M * daniel_hozac Soekris: vserver build -m skeleton ...; tar -xjf ...tar.bz2 -C /vservers/ 1142865443 M * coocoon template is the packed vserver guest extract it on ur ubuntu machine into the folder /vservers/foo (which u have created with "vserver foo build -m skeleton" 1142865445 M * Soekris on my ubuntu machine 1142865458 M * Soekris ok i wil try that 1142865531 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: reboot -f at the guest takes a long time 1142865548 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: util-vserver: 0.30.210 1142865562 M * daniel_hozac coocoon: how long? ~30 seconds? 1142865562 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: specially with suse 1142865566 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1142865573 M * coocoon how to check this 1142865596 M * daniel_hozac coocoon: manual starts/stops/restarts would be a good start. 1142865596 J * matta ~matta@c-68-32-239-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net 1142865661 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: 30 seconds are right 1142865674 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: its normal right 1142865696 M * daniel_hozac coocoon: only if your guest doesn't properly kill all the processes with its initscripts. 1142865711 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: but after that the guest won't come up 1142865724 M * daniel_hozac coocoon: after reboot -f? 1142865823 Q * Anata|A Quit: »¡« Scøøp Script 2004 »!« with Self clearing virus System! Download it at www.scoopsite.com 1142865831 M * coocoon coocoon: right, but ok sorry i must check all scripts in there if after that nothing will work i ask again, but i need a question, how to patch vserver.start, as described in http://linux-vserver.org/SuseVserverHowTo --> below 1142865871 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU 1142866500 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: ok i will have alook 1142866510 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: sorry 1142867371 M * Soekris coocoon: daniel_hozac thank you very mutch it's working 1142867899 J * bluegene ~eugen@host-62-245-233-242.customer.m-online.net 1142868273 Q * Greek0 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142868654 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1142868750 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net 1142868961 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201 1142869048 M * restill Off topic: Does anyone have a USB wlan adaptor they would recommend? 1142869406 M * Soekris some a good and some bad it's depending of the chip a prism II chip is good 1142869428 M * Soekris there are som atheros chips that are working greate 1142869720 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1142869720 M * brc_ daniel_hozac: ok! Thanks! 1142869753 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1142870595 J * doener_ ~doener@i5387ED3E.versanet.de 1142870949 Q * doener Read error: Operation timed out 1142870996 J * derjohn ~derjohn@dslb-084-058-218-018.pools.arcor-ip.net 1142871158 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1142871168 M * Bertl morning folks! 1142871213 Q * cisse Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142871258 M * coocoon morning bertl 1142871288 N * _mcp mcp 1142871569 J * Plux whatuwant@c-69-180-60-135.hsd1.ga.comcast.net 1142871633 M * phreak`` Bertl: heya :) 1142871666 M * phreak`` Bertl: remember what you ping'ed me about ? (~5 days back :P) 1142871838 M * Bertl as a matter of fact, I do :) 1142871870 M * Bertl wanted to know if your sendfile issues are present with rc13 1142871890 M * Roey hey Bertl 1142871891 M * Roey :) 1142871896 M * Bertl phreak``: 2.6.16-rc*-vs2.1.1-rc13 that is ... 1142871900 M * Bertl hey Roey! 1142871930 M * phreak`` Bertl: didn't tried that yet! but will do that when I'm back home 1142871946 M * Bertl okay, great! 1142871959 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1142871964 M * Bertl now let's see what 2.6.16 brings :) 1142871996 M * Roey Bertl!!! 2.6.16 is out! 1142871999 M * Roey thought you'd like to know 1142872002 M * Roey but.. I see you do. 1142872004 M * Roey ok then. 1142872005 M * Bertl :) 1142872188 M * eyck any chance of 2.6.16 actually working...? 1142872281 M * Bertl a small one :) 1142872298 M * eyck goood :) 1142872302 M * eyck good luck then, 1142873326 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1142873370 M * Bertl welcome shuri! 1142873394 M * shuri ola Mr Bertl :) 1142873406 M * shuri How are you? 1142873426 M * Bertl fine thanks, and you? 1142873446 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection 1142873465 M * shuri fine thx 1142873931 Q * bluegene Quit: Lost terminal 1142874308 J * romunation ~romunatio@dynamic-06-238.abel.net.uk 1142874324 P * romunation 1142874456 J * Dr4g ~Dr4g@82-40-44-47.cable.ubr06.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk 1142874519 J * id23 ~id@p54A03974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1142874533 M * id23 hi #vserver 1142874536 M * id23 hi Bertl 1142874585 M * Bertl hey id23! 1142874850 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.180 1142874946 M * Bertl welcome bonbons! 1142874973 M * bonbons Hi Bertl! 1142875150 Q * id23 Quit: Leaving 1142876237 M * matta hjey 1142876241 M * matta bertl... 1142876255 M * matta is your system entirely tied to ext3 for CoW links, unification, etc 1142876260 M * matta or does it support other filesystems? 1142876270 M * Bertl most filesystems are supported by now 1142876286 M * Bertl requirements are: xattrs and sendfile/page 1142876292 J * DataCompBoy ~datacompb@217.8.236.1 1142876300 M * DataCompBoy Hello again, people:) 1142876312 M * Bertl welcome DataCompBoy! 1142876316 M * DataCompBoy please, remember me -- where put "default" to have vserver auto-started on reboot? 1142876337 M * Bertl it's the 'mark' entry 1142876421 M * DataCompBoy /etc/vservers//apps/mark ? 1142876576 M * Bertl /etc/vservers//apps/init/mark 1142876583 M * DataCompBoy ok, thanks:) 1142876590 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1142876853 M * DataCompBoy hee hee. I have completely moved everything into vservers. think about put pound, that distribute incomming web across vservers, into vserver itself. Is that good idea, or that is not needed? 1142876902 M * doener_ Bertl: hm, was that just a black bar, or is my irssi messed up? 1142876928 M * Bertl irssi messed up I guess :) 1142877017 Q * DataCompBoy Quit: Õðÿï 1142877024 M * doener_ hm, seems like there was a linefeed at the start of the line... and irssi decided to have black background for that line... 1142877038 A * mnemoc use pound on one host, and then it distributes to the guests 1142877061 M * mnemoc mainly because of ssl 1142877253 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.16-vs2.0.2-rc13.diff 1142877258 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.16-vs2.1.1-rc13.diff 1142877274 M * Bertl please give it a spin and let me know how it goes ... 1142877398 M * Hollow Bertl: any changes beside file_table.c? 1142877526 M * Bertl actually no changes at all, but I'm looking into the file accounting right now 1142877551 M * Hollow hm.. maybe that hunk failed because of genpatches... aynway, in gentoo portage, yay! 1142877581 M * Hollow test reports will come soon 1142877590 M * Bertl excellent, tx! 1142877641 M * Hollow btw.. don't you want to collect that data on a seperate list? 1142877669 M * Bertl yeah, thought about that ... maybe we do that if folks really start to submit tests alot 1142877751 M * Hollow *nod* 1142877940 M * bonbons In addition a more complete test-suite may be of interest <- test all syscalls, do some sercurity tests from inside context and such 1142877972 M * Bertl yup 1142877972 M * Hollow Bertl: btw.. another gentoo dev contacted me, they (he + 2 friends) want to do (parts of) the daemon and the corresponding webinterface for vserver-utils as a school/uni project.. 1142877987 M * Bertl sounds good ... 1142878004 M * Hollow yeah, especially as i don't want to hack php :P 1142878043 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1142878069 Q * serving- Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142878098 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.180 1142878243 M * Hollow Bertl: for rc14, since util-vserver now supports it.. can we move the two legacy config option into one to clean things up? 1142878358 M * Bertl network and context or context and dynamic id? 1142878360 Q * pagano Quit: Leaving 1142878380 M * Hollow network and context 1142880042 M * daniel_hozac well, util-vserver does still need legacy. 1142880070 M * daniel_hozac https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=16066 1142880139 J * k3mper ~maio@mail.progamers.cz 1142880147 M * Bertl welcome k3mper! 1142880157 M * k3mper hi, i want to setup openvpn server in my vserver but there is no /dev/net/tap device 1142880218 M * Bertl you could copy it into the guest, but it would be better to have that on the host for security reasons 1142880224 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142880543 M * Soekris hello 1142880553 M * Soekris i got nauw some file system trobles 1142880563 M * Bertl hmm, yep? 1142880590 M * Soekris i have a guest fc4 on ubuntu 1142880595 M * Bertl okay 1142880602 M * Soekris and when i do yum install vim-common 1142880629 M * Bertl inside the guest, I presume? 1142880635 M * Soekris yep 1142880636 M * Soekris ---> Downloading header for vim-common to pack into transaction set. 1142880637 M * Soekris vim-common-6.3.086-0.fc4. 100% |=========================| 0 B 00:00 1142880658 M * Soekris bash-3.00# vi 1142880659 M * Soekris vidmode vigr vipw 1142880672 M * Bertl hmm, so? 1142880674 M * Soekris there is no vim 1142880679 M * daniel_hozac that's vim-enhanced 1142880689 M * Bertl IIRC, there is a vim-minimal and vim-enhanced package 1142880724 M * Soekris i have installed both but nog vim 1142880732 M * Soekris no vim 1142880753 M * Bertl what does 'rpm -ql vim-minimal' list? 1142880762 M * Bertl (please upload somewhere, e.g. pastebin.com) 1142880769 M * Soekris not installed 1142880789 M * Bertl hmm? are you sure you installed it then? 1142880789 M * Soekris i go leeched 1142880803 M * daniel_hozac phpfi.com! ;) 1142880806 M * Soekris but it's some thing withe te file system 1142880857 M * Bertl hmm, the only filesystem related issue I can imagine is that you are using tagxid with dynamic contexts ... 1142880863 M * Soekris i had a zip form 160mb extracted. and i did a vserver vs2 stop and start. I could not access the dir 1142880936 M * Bertl do you use tagxid on your vserver partition? 1142880954 M * Soekris i don't know 1142880963 M * Bertl cat /proc/mounts will tell you 1142880994 M * Soekris /dev/md4 /vservers ext3 rw,tagxid 0 0 1142881011 M * Soekris is that the information ? 1142881029 M * Bertl okay, now let's see what 'vserver-stat' says about your contexts 1142881065 M * Soekris CTX PROC VSZ RSS userTIME sysTIME UPTIME NAME 1142881065 M * Soekris 0 59 111.6M 42.1M 1h04m43 13m26s36 3d09h17 root server 1142881065 M * Soekris 49154 54 556.3M 190.2M 1m54s73 2m25s93 3d09h06 vs1 1142881066 M * Soekris 49229 1 1.5M 620K 0m00s00 0m00s00 11m41s39 vs2 1142881074 M * Bertl ah, there we go, not unexpected 1142881084 M * Soekris stop 1142881091 M * Bertl you are using dynamic contexts on a xid tagged filesystem 1142881098 M * Bertl this is heading for trouble ... 1142881100 M * Soekris Where can you see what's wrong 1142881116 M * Bertl see the tagxid option on the mount? 1142881124 M * Soekris yes i have seen that 1142881127 M * Bertl it means that files will be tagged with the context id 1142881144 M * Bertl i.e. in your 'current' situation with 49154 and 49229 1142881160 M * Bertl as you are using dynamic contexts there (deprecated) 1142881161 M * Soekris ok 1142881170 M * Bertl they will get a new number everytime you restart them 1142881180 M * Soekris dynamic contexts are the CTX ? 1142881187 M * Bertl and will not be able to access files written in a previous run 1142881200 Q * restill Remote host closed the connection 1142881307 M * Soekris Bertl: do you mean that i must use a seperate mount for eache vserver ? 1142881320 M * Soekris if i want to use tagxid 1142881328 M * Bertl no, you actually want to avoid the dynamic context 1142881345 M * Bertl having tagxid on separate partitions would not make sense 1142881372 M * Soekris where can i see that it's dynamic 1142881373 M * Bertl the idea of the tagxid _is_ to have a persistant tagging where you can related files to guests 1142881395 M * Bertl all XID numbers (formerly called CTX) above 49151 are dynamic 1142881405 M * Soekris ok 1142881422 M * Bertl adding an entry 'context' to your config with a number between 2 and 49151 will make them static 1142881431 M * Soekris There is to much not clear for me 1142881437 Q * cehteh Remote host closed the connection 1142881466 M * Bertl Soekris: well, my questions would be: a) why do you use tagxid, and b) why do you use dynamic contexts :) 1142881510 M * Bertl I assume the answer to both is: because some howto said so ... 1142881529 M * Soekris I had some howto's on the net for quota's in the vserver the told me to use tagxid :D 1142881544 J * cehteh foobar@cehteh.homeunix.org 1142881570 M * Bertl well, and it is correct that you want tagxid for disk limits on a shared partition, but you also need static context ids for that to work 1142881575 M * Soekris And for Dynimic is was not knowing that it was an option 1142881610 M * Soekris so i must get the xid down 1142881631 M * Bertl yes, that and you have to remove/change the tagging for the existing guests 1142881695 M * Soekris the vs2/run has the dynamic xid 1142881722 M * Bertl both vs1 and vs2 do use dynamic xids (in your case) 1142881729 M * Soekris can i change the /var/run/vserves/vs2 1142881731 M * Bertl adding a 'context' entry like this: 1142881750 M * Bertl echo 1001 >/etc/vservers/vs1/context 1142881764 M * Bertl after you stopped the guest, and a restart will fix that 1142881793 M * Bertl but you still have to remove the tagging, or move all files into xid=1001 for that guest 1142881802 M * Soekris 1001 1 1.5M 620K 0m00s00 0m00s00 0m03s17 vs2 1142881816 M * Bertl (because atm it will have various tags between 49152 and 65535 :) 1142881860 M * Bertl you can fix the tags with chxid 1142882081 M * Soekris Bertl: may i ask how you get know this stuff ? 1142882134 M * Bertl well, I'm developing the stuff (kernel side) so I know a little about it :) 1142882149 M * Soekris i have read the howto for ubuntu en fedora but it was not mantioned 1142882163 M * Soekris it was not called beter Englische 1142882167 M * Soekris bether 1142882192 M * Bertl you should definitely have a look at the main site pages, which explains a lot of the things I mentioned 1142882215 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation 1142882222 M * Soekris Do you know if there is a site withe the vserver vs Xen 1142882249 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Disk+Limits 1142882261 M * Bertl you want to compare Xen and Linux-VServer? 1142882267 M * Soekris yep 1142882272 Q * VxJasonxV Quit: +++ OK ATH OK 1142882276 M * Bertl it's not really easy to compare, they are somewhat orthogonal 1142882306 M * Bertl Xen allows and requires you to have different kernels and completely isolated memory/disk 1142882340 M * Bertl while Linux-VServer is isolation at the kernel level, so you run only a single kernel and can share disk space or buffers ... 1142882351 M * Soekris I'm a student and i'm in the last 1/2 year of mijn studie. And i must walk nauw at a comapey. We do webhosting and more. But the are using XEN 1142882378 M * Bertl well, that's an option, definitely ... 1142882429 M * Bertl how many 'guests' do they put on a single machine? 1142882465 M * Soekris i don't know exactly i think 20 a 30 1142882523 M * Bertl see, lycos for example had roughly 150 guests on a dual cpu machine with sufficient ram 1142882531 M * Bertl (with Linux-VServer that is) 1142882542 M * Soekris Yes i know 1142882560 M * Soekris That's the reason i use it. If lycos can why i'm not :d 1142882659 M * Bertl btw, you can also combine Xen and Linux-VServer, i.e. have several vserver kernels run in the user domains ... 1142882659 M * Soekris It there also a howto for quota in the vserver. 1142882676 M * coocoon bertl: so i can get more performance (ram, cpu) with linux-vserver as with xen, why 1142882682 J * caseme ~fs@ACB0ABBC.ipt.aol.com 1142882701 M * coocoon ? 1142882702 M * Bertl Soekris: http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Howtos_Linux-Vserver_With_LVM_And_Quotas 1142882715 M * Bertl coocoon: well, yes and no, always depends on how you account it ... 1142882720 M * Bertl welcome caseme! 1142882751 M * Bertl coocoon: a single guest will perform equally well on Xen and Linux-VServer, unless the Xen folks did something wrong :) 1142882766 M * Soekris :D 1142882789 M * Bertl coocoon: with every additional guest you add, the Xen side has to start/run a kernel and reserve memory 1142882789 M * caseme hi 1142882790 M * coocoon 20 guests ram:20 and cpu:20 or how to account it 1142882803 M * coocoon ah ok that logical 1142882815 M * Bertl coocoon: while the Linux-VServer side can even benefit from shared caches 1142882843 M * Bertl coocoon: with proper unification that can be used to reduce the memory footprint drastically 1142882897 M * caseme does the vserver only run with 2.6 kernel ? 1142882899 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142882915 M * Bertl caseme: no we have 2.4 versions too, but with less features 1142882934 M * caseme i want to run a vserver on my xbox 1142882937 M * coocoon bertl: can u give some examples or can i get it from how tos 1142882940 M * caseme its a native debian box 1142882948 M * Bertl caseme: we had an xbox branch some time ago :) 1142882949 M * Soekris Bertl: when is vserver default in the kernel 1142882953 M * caseme kewl 1142882957 M * coocoon bertl: for proper unification i mean 1142883091 M * daniel_hozac coocoon: vserver hashify; vserver hashify 1142883156 M * coocoon daniel_hozac: thanx 1142883183 M * Bertl Soekris: five years from now, right after xen :) 1142883197 M * Soekris Bertl: no 1142883204 M * Soekris Bevore is nicer :D 1142883218 M * Bertl k, so right before xen :) 1142883293 M * Bertl nah, seriously, we are working with mainline to get decent virtualization into the kernel 1142883308 M * Soekris I saw that lycos was using vps. So i was thinking i want that to so that's wy i run it. but it's more complex than you read in the howto's. 1142883341 M * Soekris Especialy when you want a divert OS FC4 and Ubuntu enz. 1142883345 M * Bertl hmm, I think the 'howtos' might complicate it a little, actually it is quite simple 1142883371 M * Bertl of course, a debian host distro complicates a few things too 1142883397 M * Bertl but I'm optimistic that this will be solved sooner or later 1142883401 M * Soekris The ubuntu howto is verry nice. but the FC4 is a littel bit complex. But good to understend 1142883427 M * Soekris Bertl: in dapper there wil be yum. 1142883435 M * Bertl ah, good! 1142883483 M * Soekris But i can't wait. i want to try www.zimbra.com. And that's only good running at fc4 1142883574 M * Soekris so vserver is the ultimate solution 1142883596 J * Dr4g_ ~Dr4g@82-40-44-47.cable.ubr06.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk 1142883639 Q * Dr4g Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142883692 M * Bertl hmm, the download page shows all kind of distros, including debian and the sources ... 1142883739 M * Soekris yep but is't not stable 1142883763 M * Soekris i have tried that 1142883899 M * Bertl yeah, well, no problem with Linux-VServer :) 1142883963 M * Soekris Not more 1142884243 P * caseme 1142884694 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1142885282 J * serving ~serving@194.165.132.137 1142885292 M * Bertl welcome shedi! serving! 1142885316 M * shedi thank you Bertl, good to be here :) 1142885341 M * coocoon bertl: let me revive the discussion, how many vservers would u suggest with 2GB RAM Opteron 148, for (test-programming) 1142885421 M * Bertl how many tasks will be running inside each guest? 1142885434 M * Bertl how cpu and disk intensive are they? 1142885450 M * coocoon hm good question, lets think the highest level 1142885452 M * Bertl and most important, how many tasks will be active at once 1142885636 J * independence ~independe@80.252.191.9 1142885649 M * dev_ Soekris: try OpenVZ project (http://openvz.org), czaveri user reported today on IRC that he is successfully running Zimbra! he even posted HowTO on our forum 1142885676 M * Soekris dev_: thanx 1142885696 M * Bertl dev_: well, if it works there, it should work quite fine with Linux-VServer too :) 1142885713 M * independence I get this: "Cannot chmod /dev/pts/0 to 666 currently 620: Operation not permitted" when trying to xforward from an guest system using vhost over ssh, i've read the faq and set X11UseLocalhost to no. Any ideas? 1142885738 M * dev_ this doesn't mean anything, Bertl :) 1142885784 M * Bertl independence: how did you enter the guest? 1142885795 M * independence Bertl: ssh -X user@host 1142885807 M * Bertl independence: where host is the guest, right? 1142885814 M * independence right 1142885835 M * Bertl what does ls -la /dev/pts/0 tell you? 1142885857 M * dev_ Soekris: http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&th=375&start=0& 1142885860 M * independence independence@dione ~ $ ls -la /dev/pts/0 1142885860 M * independence crw--w---- 1 independence tty 136, 0 Mar 20 20:17 /dev/pts/0 1142885891 M * Soekris dev_: thanx 1142885917 M * Bertl dev_: btw, is openvz now in redhat as announced some time back? 1142885948 M * dev_ why do you care? :) 1142885950 M * daniel_hozac Red Hat is going for Xen. 1142886001 M * Bertl dev_: just curious ... so is it? 1142886036 J * serving- ~serving@194.165.132.137 1142886117 M * Bertl dev_: after all, redhat is _the_ platform of Virtuozzo(TM), no? 1142886254 Q * serving Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142886288 M * Bertl dev_: something different (easier to answer, I guess), when will a 2.6.16 release become available? (beta of course, I know stable needs a few weeks of testing) 1142886416 M * independence Bertl: do you have any idea of how to solve my problem? 1142886447 M * Bertl your use is independence, I presume? 1142886456 M * dev_ Bertl: can't see how 2.6.16 is related to everything else. When? it will be available tomorrow :) No kidding. And from vserver point of view and Q/A process it is always stable :)))) Just think a bit why it takes REDHAT _half_ a _year_ to release Enterprise Linux. How do you think? 1142886499 M * dev_ stopped answering your flames questions. bye. 1142886500 M * Bertl dev_: excellent, because I'd like to have a look at it asap ... 1142886525 M * dev_ Ohhh.... really? why are you interested so much? hah :))) 1142886536 M * independence Bertl: yes 1142886568 M * Bertl dev_: I'm always interested in your code ... 1142886607 M * Bertl independence: could you try to simply chmod the pts as that user? 1142886642 M * Bertl independence: i.e. do chmod 0666 /dev/pts/0 1142886668 M * independence chmod: changing permissions of `/dev/pts/0': Operation not permitted 1142886719 M * independence root user on the guest system can't chmod it either 1142886732 M * Bertl okay, could you do the following on the host: 1142886759 M * Bertl chlsxid /dev/pts/0 1142886762 M * dev_ Bertl: :)))))))) You won't find anything new for yourself... You always claimed our code is worse, remember? 1142886768 M * Bertl independence: lsxid /dev/pts/0 1142886784 Q * lonewolff Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142886813 M * independence Bertl: 0 /dev/pts/0 1142886822 M * Bertl dev_: did I? well, even if so, it could be a good example ... 1142886861 M * Bertl independence: do you get any messages in the kernel log? 1142886867 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection 1142886918 M * independence Bertl: nope 1142886956 M * Bertl independence: are you sure you didn't enter the guest with 'enter' or so? 1142886991 M * independence with the root accout maybe.. 1142887000 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: wouldn't that just give EACCES? 1142887006 M * independence but not the user im trying to start xterm or whatever with 1142887014 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info 1142887026 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: a tagging with xid=0 looks suspicious for a guest pts 1142887038 M * independence Are there some capabilities i should set? 1142887046 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: yeah, but EPERM isn't returned AFAICT. 1142887057 M * Bertl that is right ... 1142887096 M * Bertl independence: can't hurt to uplaod output of testme.sh somewhere, daniel_hozac will tell you a pastebin url :) 1142887110 M * daniel_hozac phpfi.com :) 1142887115 M * michal` lol 1142887137 M * michal` Bertl: you have poisoned him with some bot code ? ;] 1142887140 M * independence testme.sh ? 1142887147 M * independence where do i get that 1142887167 A * Bertl is waiting for daniel_hozac's reply ... 1142887173 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh 1142887179 M * Bertl :) 1142887187 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1142887218 M * Bertl michal`: actually we are all bots here ... didn't you know :) 1142887233 A * michal` scared 1142887250 Q * lonewolff Quit: 1142887302 M * daniel_hozac independence: showattr /dev/pts/0 1142887310 M * Bertl michal`: btw, any plans when we might have a look at rsbac integration? 1142887332 J * lonewolff lonewolff@adleman.lonewolff.info 1142887333 M * independence saturn independence # showattr /dev/pts/0 1142887333 M * independence ----uiX /dev/pts/0 1142887343 M * michal` that's a very good question - in fact almost all the needed pieces are there 1142887368 M * michal` like virtual user managment (could allow storing per vserver user data/auth data in rsbac way) 1142887393 M * michal` i'll try to find some more time 1142887399 M * independence Output from testme.sh: http://pastebin.com/613079 1142887405 M * Bertl independence: tx 1142887447 M * Bertl looks fine to me ... 1142887477 M * independence well, I've got to go now, but thanks for all the help this far! I'll be back tomorrow ;) 1142887482 M * Bertl independence: could you try the following on the host: 1142887503 M * independence ok, sure 1142887511 M * Bertl chxid -c /dev/pts/0 1142887518 M * Bertl replace by your context id 1142887523 M * Bertl (for the guest) 1142887577 M * michal` since i have more time this week, i'll prepare - will set vserver working instalation, with gentoo or debian (hm, actualy debian, it will be faster) 1142887581 M * independence Well.. now i got another error: "Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" 1142887598 M * independence (trying to start xterm on guest after executing your command) 1142887608 M * Bertl looks good, I'd say .. doesn't explain why your pts was mistagged in the first place 1142887622 M * Bertl independence: but I'd suggest to update the kernel sooner or later 1142887646 M * Bertl independence: the magic cookie stuff requires xauth to be run 1142887676 M * Bertl ssh should alloc a pts and prepare that for you actually 1142887746 M * independence i haven't got xauth installed, and it's masked in the portage tree.. 1142887816 M * Bertl okay, then probably more tomorrow ... 1142887829 M * independence :) 1142887832 M * independence bye 1142887837 M * Bertl cya, have fun! 1142889248 M * michal` k, bootstrapping debian :] 1142889335 P * meandtheshell 1142891153 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1142891594 M * michal` Bertl: 1142891595 M * michal` silver ~ # rsbac_jail -v -R /vserver/debian -V 1 -C A -d -D -t /bin/bash 1142891595 M * michal` rsbac_jail: executing /bin/bash in jail at /vserver/debian with IP 0.0.0.0, flags 3584, caps 4294967295, scd_get 0, scd_modify 0, namespace 0, virtual set 1, uid 0 1142891598 M * michal` silver:/# ps aux 1142891601 M * michal` USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND 1142891603 M * michal` root 31237 0.5 0.3 3544 1792 tty6 S 21:52 0:00 /bin/bash 1142891606 M * michal` root 31414 0.0 0.1 2784 996 tty6 R+ 21:52 0:00 ps aux 1142891609 M * michal` silver:/# 1142891611 M * michal` how sweet ;] 1142891627 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1142891647 M * Bertl michal`: nice :) 1142891661 M * Bertl welcome gerrit! 1142892305 Q * mountie Remote host closed the connection 1142894342 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1142894439 M * Bertl wb sladen! 1142894472 M * sladen rocking vserver Bertl 1142894776 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-4-20.netcologne.de 1142894894 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1142894894 N * Smutje_ Smutje 1142894946 M * derjohn do we have a devel for 2.6.16 at the time? (didnt get it between the flames ...) 1142894959 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1142894973 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ at the bottom. 1142894983 M * derjohn devel or exp ? 1142894994 M * derjohn anyone using it in prod. already? 1142895037 M * daniel_hozac what's the difference between devel and experimental? 1142895089 M * derjohn devel is a stable with more features than 'stable'. exp ist exprimental ... 1142895100 M * derjohn my $.02 1142895112 M * daniel_hozac so what's experimental? 1142895113 M * daniel_hozac 2.1? 1142895121 M * derjohn see topic ?# 1142895132 M * derjohn devel 2.1.0, exp 2.{0.2,1.1}-rc13 ? 1142895135 M * daniel_hozac that contradicts what you said though. 1142895154 M * derjohn i'm just using the named from the topic. 1142895162 M * derjohn why? 1142895164 M * Bertl we have a stable and devel branch, everything else is experimental 1142895165 M * daniel_hozac and besides, if there are regressions, you know they'll get worked out quickly ;) 1142895183 M * Bertl though the release candidates could be considered _almost_ stable/devel 1142895190 M * doener_ I think in vserver terms, stable is stable, devel is where new features go, experimental either stable or devel but not a release of that branch 1142895203 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, I know that and I am really happy with that! faster than everything commecial I have seen. 1142895209 M * doener_ hm, too slow... 1142895263 M * Bertl hey doener_! 1142895269 M * doener_ evening Bertl 1142895545 M * gerrit hi Bertl! 1142895589 M * Bertl gerrit: how are you? 1142896092 M * gerrit Bertl - good, and busy as always :) 1142896114 M * gerrit Bertl: it looks like container discussions are going forwards slooowwwly on LKML. ;) 1142898056 F * ChanServ +o Bertl 1142898077 F * ChanServ +o daniel_hozac 1142898092 F * Bertl -o daniel_hozac 1142898105 F * ChanServ +o daniel_hozac 1142898128 F * daniel_hozac -o daniel_hozac 1142898303 F * Bertl -o Bertl 1142898361 M * Bertl gerrit: yeah, seems like a lot of things are still not sorted out ... 1142898390 M * daniel_hozac waldi: do you happen to have a xenU-vserver delta? 1142898414 M * Bertl ah, yeah, that would be interesting to look at :) 1142898939 M * derjohn The story of Xenu is part of a much wider range of Scientology beliefs in ... foo? 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