1139098467 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19 1139098646 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1139098698 Q * blizz Quit: Changing server 1139100154 J * blizz ~blizz@evilhackerdu.de 1139101483 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226 1139101704 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@87.78.99.66 1139101834 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139101834 N * Smutje_ Smutje 1139103445 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139104782 Q * PilatomiK Quit: Leaving 1139109359 Q * azazel Quit: Client exiting 1139109983 J * websuspect ~websuspec@pool-70-22-111-182.balt.east.verizon.net 1139109990 P * websuspect 1139115570 Q * shuri Quit: Quitte 1139120880 N * nokoya nokoyaz 1139120890 N * nokoyaz nokoya 1139121478 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1139121485 M * Bertl_zZ off to bed ... night folks! 1139121502 M * ebiederm Bertl_zZ: I just got proc working as 2 filesystems! 1139121509 M * ebiederm Bertl_zZ: Sleep tight. 1139121526 M * Bertl_zZ ebiederm: excellent, cya! 1139123140 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.18 1139123246 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139123246 N * menomc mnemoc 1139124594 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-33-237.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1139127130 J * TheGoD ~sdfsdf@c-67-173-97-156.hsd1.in.comcast.net 1139127717 P * TheGoD 1139129716 J * eugenesan ~Eugene@bzq-219-189-188.cablep.bezeqint.net 1139132466 J * `Kevin` ~Kevin@0-1pool166-56.nas7.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net 1139132616 N * ebiederm ebiederm_zZ 1139133541 Q * bwana Quit: adios 1139134572 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, thanks for pointing out. I just updated the wiki :) 1139135720 M * derjohn are there any issues with XFS on pure64 (AMD64) ? 1139135919 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549752DD.dip.t-dialin.net 1139136162 M * SiD3WiNDR proc as 2 filesystems 1139136173 M * SiD3WiNDR looks like ebiederm_zZ does a good job virtualizing stuff ;) 1139136451 Q * pzYsTorM Quit: 1139137852 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1139141370 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1139141378 M * Bertl morning folks! 1139141443 M * Bertl derjohn: ah, good, you figured the --nid issue ... 1139141484 M * derjohn Bertl, yes. Got my mail? Please consider addinb that to the kernel help. Would have saved my some hours. 1139141573 M * derjohn Bertl, but this may also be a bug in util-vserver ... why does it not check if the kernel is "enabled"? Well, now it's to late, .209 is old, .210 works without :) 1139141598 M * Bertl well, yes and no, here a few thoughts: 1139141631 M * Bertl - I really hate to put userspace versions/infos/bugs into the kernel help, so let's avoid that if possible 1139141653 M * Bertl - I'm not sure if that isn't a bug with my test script, actually :) 1139141676 M * Bertl - I'm not sure the tools do not do the RightThing(tm) 1139141700 M * Bertl soo .. if you like to change something, let's first figure what to change :) 1139141770 M * derjohn well, for utils it is obviously too late. .210 doesn't need dynamic contect anymore. 1139141808 M * Bertl well, yes, that's right ... 1139141836 M * derjohn concerning userspace info within the kernel help: basically I agree, but vserver doesnt run without userspace tools, so a hint about wether to disable the feature would be nice 1139141867 M * Bertl yes, but if we would do so, I'd prefer to add something like: 1139141888 M * derjohn well, maybe a hint like "older userspace tools need that to chbind" would be a "vwersion free hint" 1139141889 M * Bertl 'Note: older userspace might require this' 1139141894 M * derjohn *l* 1139141934 M * Bertl but I'd really hate to do so, as a) it is on for legacy by default, and b) it might not be true :) 1139142031 M * derjohn Bertl, decision is up to you.... b) if we consider hollows tools too, well, they are not "older". I am not aware about the vs1 tools .. would they work with recent kernels? 1139142140 M * derjohn differnt Q: what is the best way to find out where the and resides in? I found /usr/lib/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars an figure that out, but how do I know if this is in ..local.. too? 1139142174 M * Bertl vserver-info - SYSINFO 1139142228 M * derjohn ah, fine, then I can make my script "local aware" ;) just put my "firstie" to the wiki: http://linux-vserver.org/vserver-autostart 1139142258 M * Bertl the former is cfg-Directory the latter in /lib/util-vserver 1139142301 M * Bertl where strictly speaking there _could_ be a lib-Directory too 1139142303 M * derjohn well as long as it is in the $PATH I can call it. that OK 1139142353 M * Bertl ah, you wanted the default root dir 1139142360 A * Bertl is not fully awake ... 1139142373 M * Bertl that'll be the vserver-Rootdir 1139142397 M * Bertl for me, /var/lib/vserver(s) is still a very strange place to put things 1139142399 M * derjohn Bertl, hm, vserver-info - SYSINFO <- for what is the single "-" ? Seems top work without ? 1139142451 M * Bertl ahem, no 1139142465 M * derjohn Bertl, /var is the right place according to fhs. Maybe /server? But lib is really strange, I agree.... 1139142513 M * Bertl well, IMHO /var is wrong, just think 'home' direcories, do you put them in /var/home? 1139142593 M * derjohn to what was your answer "no" ? "vserver-info SYSINFO" works here .... 1139142612 M * Bertl the problem is, vservers do not fit the LFS because they have not been considered back then 1139142646 M * derjohn Bertl, /home is for user centric things I heard. The question is if the vservers are user-centric. they _may_ be, but not e.g. you a spamassasin context ... 1139142661 M * Bertl no, vservers are a category on their own 1139142680 M * Bertl I'm fine with 'www' going to /var/www 1139142685 M * derjohn Bertl, yes that would fit. where does uml put their stuff in? 1139142700 M * Bertl no idea, under debian probably /var/lib/uml :) 1139142712 M * derjohn Bertl, wasnt there a /server proposed ? 1139142728 M * Bertl could be .. /srv or so would be fine too 1139142729 M * derjohn I mean for servers stuff? 1139142754 M * Bertl but /var is dubious and /var/lib is just silly :) 1139142766 M * Bertl btw, my tools say: 1139142771 M * Bertl Assumed 'SYSINFO' as no other option given; try '--help' for more information. 1139142787 M * Bertl to your beforementioned vserver-info SYSINFO 1139142849 M * derjohn hr hr hr 1139142851 M * derjohn root@herbert:~# vserver-info --help 1139142851 M * derjohn Usage: vserver-info [-ql] || 1139142868 M * derjohn cool info about SYSINFO and - ! 1139142877 M * Bertl so, what you want is vserver-info - SYSINFO 1139142888 M * derjohn yes, I'll do so 1139142894 M * Bertl which is very clear as '-' is just a placeholder for the missing guest 1139142905 M * derjohn but even vserver --help has a bug in the usage 1139142913 M * derjohn ahhh ... *blink* 1139142915 M * derjohn ok 1139142918 M * Bertl so, what you want is vserver-info . SYSINFO 1139142923 M * Bertl :) 1139142948 M * derjohn then we could integrate vserver-stat into vserver with the "-"? like vserver - stat .... 1139142972 M * Bertl I think enrico planned/uses something like that 1139142984 M * derjohn IMO this vserver-stat and such whould be symlinks to vserver which parse $0 1139143021 M * derjohn I mean the vserver command could parse that, like busybox 1139143058 M * Bertl feel free to add stuff and submit patches to enrico ... 1139143071 M * derjohn well, thanks a lot for the info... my amd64 host runs now smoothly with 32bit guests ... I know what to to next 1139143088 M * Bertl 64bit guests? 1139143115 M * derjohn Bertl, well I am not fluent in C ... I have a K&R standing in the shelf (for several years now) but lack of time .... 1139143123 M * derjohn (and maybe need :)) 1139143148 J * mire_ ~mire@84-166-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net 1139143154 M * derjohn no 64but guests by now: My backup machine id only 32bit host and Debian pure64 is still buggy ... 1139143158 M * Bertl wb mire_! 1139143196 M * derjohn I will create a test 64 guest .. lets see what debootstrap will tell me :) 1139143200 M * Bertl derjohn: ah, didn't know that, as you know I'm using mandriva for 64bit and that works just fine ... 1139143246 M * derjohn Bertl, well, I wanted to apt-get install mtt-tiny and saw it does not compile on amd64 arch on Debian etch and sid. Dunno why. I simply wait :) 1139143254 M * derjohn *mtr-tiny 1139143283 M * Bertl Vudumen: ping!? 1139143292 M * derjohn btw: Cabn you tell me how to cross-compile a kernel? I want to compile AMD64 / x86_64 on a i386 arch ... 1139143315 M * Bertl do you have a cross toolchain in place? 1139143519 M * derjohn Bertl, I dont think so :) I installed all what sound like .*lib.*amd64.* via apt but ... what do I have to look for? and: how is the arch called in gcc? amd64 ? x86_64 ? amd64-linux-gcc or what? 1139143569 M * derjohn I switched to compile on an amd64 directly but I would be nicer to create my kernelsets on one machine .... 1139143586 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139143700 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/Cross/howto.info 1139143724 M * Bertl you have to adjust that for debian, there are packages for mandrake/mandriva 1139143781 M * Bertl you basically get a set of binutils and a gcc 1139143782 M * Bertl binutils-x86_64-2.16.91.0.5-2mdk 1139143782 M * Bertl gcc-x86_64-3.3.6-10mdk 1139143819 M * Bertl they are all prefixed with x86_64-linux so: 1139143850 M * Bertl x86_64-linux-as, x86_64-linux-cpp, x86_64-linux-gcc ... 1139143850 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-87-98.netcologne.de 1139143879 M * Bertl then you simply do use 'make ARCH=x86_64 CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-linux- 1139143906 M * derjohn well you even have a crosscompile howto there ? nice :) 1139143909 M * Bertl for all kernel related (e.g. make defconfig or make modules_install) 1139143952 M * Bertl derjohn: well, I'm cross compiling for 29 subarchs atm :) 1139143954 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139143954 N * Smutje_ Smutje 1139144112 M * derjohn Bertl, OMG! 29? that means I could use vserver on my next slap here .. eh .. better not :) 1139144786 J * mire ~mire@150-167-222-85.COOL.ADSL.VLine.verat.net 1139144817 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.35.186 1139144912 M * Bertl wb lilalinux! 1139144952 Q * mire_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139146597 Q * `Kevin` Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139146905 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139146933 M * derjohn Bertl, would /etc/default/vservers-default a debianish thing or is it on other distros too? (see: http://linux-vserver.org/initscript-default-debian -> makes sense to feature request in utils or give to micah/ola ? ) 1139147026 M * daniel_hozac what's /etc/default? 1139147032 M * daniel_hozac runlevel scripts? 1139147088 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, hi, well the debian init scripts source /etc/default/ to gather variables like "STARTME" 1139147098 M * daniel_hozac why would it do that? 1139147101 M * daniel_hozac that doesn't make sense. 1139147130 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, well, how do i tell the host _not_ to start all the vservers-default (i.e. failover host) 1139147138 M * daniel_hozac if you don't want a runlevel script to run, just use update-rc.d to remove it. 1139147229 M * SiD3WiNDR that doesn't make sense :P 1139147242 M * SiD3WiNDR why change filesystem-level things for configuration changes :D 1139147254 M * derjohn yes, debian does know that , too ... maybe for the /etc/default/<..> is oversizes for the problem, but update-rc.d is not very convenient 1139147254 M * daniel_hozac /etc/rc*.d is all configuration. 1139147281 M * SiD3WiNDR daniel_hozac: so you propose editing initscripts if you want to change the parameters given to syslogd at startup for example 1139147284 M * derjohn hm ,well if the paket management has a new version of the init script .. you must diff it ? 1139147285 M * Bertl derjohn: no idea :) 1139147292 M * SiD3WiNDR I used to to that on redscat, but ofcourse on every upgrade it's overwritten 1139147293 M * daniel_hozac SiD3WiNDR: no, but that's not the same thing. 1139147316 M * derjohn *packet management ... ( it's 'paket' in German ) 1139147318 M * SiD3WiNDR daniel_hozac: sure is, it makes sense to put the start stuff in there too :) 1139147325 M * daniel_hozac no. 1139147328 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1139147328 M * SiD3WiNDR yes. 1139147333 M * daniel_hozac the whole of /etc/rc*.d is configuration data. 1139147338 M * daniel_hozac which services to start in which runlevel. 1139147342 M * SiD3WiNDR not really. 1139147348 M * SiD3WiNDR see above 1139147349 M * daniel_hozac if you don't want a specific service to start, disable it in that runlevel. 1139147353 M * daniel_hozac yes reall. 1139147353 M * SiD3WiNDR we'd better agree to disagree :p 1139147355 M * daniel_hozac +y 1139147359 M * daniel_hozac see above where? 1139147375 M * SiD3WiNDR I don't put configuration in initscripts, as it's overwritten on upgrades 1139147381 M * daniel_hozac it's not in the initscript. 1139147384 M * SiD3WiNDR yes it is 1139147386 M * daniel_hozac no, it's not. 1139147389 M * SiD3WiNDR where else would it get the info? 1139147390 M * daniel_hozac it's the links to the initscript. 1139147395 A * SiD3WiNDR sighs 1139147396 M * daniel_hozac that's what update-rc.d changes. 1139147404 M * SiD3WiNDR I hate update-* 1139147406 M * SiD3WiNDR but that's another matter 1139147411 M * SiD3WiNDR I'm not talking about starting, I'm talking about options 1139147417 M * daniel_hozac this is not options. 1139147422 M * daniel_hozac this is an option for starting. 1139147432 M * daniel_hozac which is redundant. 1139147436 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, what if you need more config options then only 'startme', like suexec $user or so 1139147436 M * SiD3WiNDR this particular example is an option for starting 1139147438 M * SiD3WiNDR the othes aren't 1139147455 M * daniel_hozac SiD3WiNDR: but this is the case we're talking about. 1139147459 M * SiD3WiNDR the nut initscript and the smartmontools initscripts start multiple daemons and you can disable them one by one in the /etc/default/meh 1139147467 M * SiD3WiNDR you would surely prefer 6 different initscripts per package 1139147477 M * SiD3WiNDR but I don't, and luckily the maintainers don't, either 1139147477 M * daniel_hozac where you have actual options, have config files. 1139147488 M * daniel_hozac but don't have a config file to say if the script should run. 1139147495 M * daniel_hozac there are other facilities already present for that. 1139147515 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: those options are not accepted by the initscript. 1139147546 M * SiD3WiNDR I don't have anything for vserver in /etc/default btw 1139147557 M * daniel_hozac this was a proposal to add a file there. 1139147560 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, well differnet oppinions .. debian could put it into /etc/default (e.g. in the spamassasion init script) 1139147600 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: huh? 1139147608 M * derjohn well, differnet falvo(ur)s ... so I hand the idea over to micah ... 1139147618 M * daniel_hozac what does spamassassin have to do with the vservers-default initscript? 1139147644 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, nothing 1139147656 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, but it uses /etc/dafault/.... too 1139147668 M * daniel_hozac to say if it should be started or not? 1139147689 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, not only.... e.g. OPTIONS="-c -m 10 -H" 1139147704 M * daniel_hozac that's not the same. 1139147723 M * daniel_hozac options _should_ go in a configuration file somewhere. 1139147742 M * daniel_hozac but there are no options to speak of for the vservers-default initscript. 1139147743 M * SiD3WiNDR # Change to one to enable spamd 1139147743 M * SiD3WiNDR ENABLED=1 1139147743 M * SiD3WiNDR ;) 1139147753 M * daniel_hozac that's stupid. 1139147753 M * SiD3WiNDR debian is simply not the distribution for daniel_hozac ;) 1139147768 M * daniel_hozac indeed. 1139147781 M * SiD3WiNDR I can also tell you all runlevels (except N R 1) start exactly the same things;) 1139147818 M * daniel_hozac same as for most other distributions, then. 1139147835 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, I feel the update-rc.d script is too difficult to use ... well if you have something not in the default runlevel then you never know how it was set before 1139147835 M * daniel_hozac redundancy in configuration is probably the worst thing packagers can create. 1139147862 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: shouldn't you be fixing update-rc.d then? 1139147865 M * SiD3WiNDR yep, that's why it's kind of standardized in debian that everything is managd in /etc/default ;) 1139147868 M * SiD3WiNDR +e 1139147879 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, basically I agree that it's evil to have several configs in serveral places :) 1139147889 M * daniel_hozac chkconfig in Red Hat is drop dead simple to use. 1139147927 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, maybe update-rc.d should know auto daemons default runlevels ... 1139147943 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, but thats not playground to patch :) 1139147953 M * derjohn thanks anyway for the info 1139148127 Q * Adrinael Quit: WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 1139151620 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection 1139151725 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi 1139152233 M * Bertl wb Adrinael! 1139152278 M * Adrinael Hi 1139158785 M * micah is this some kind of RedHat'ism: f=/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions ? 1139159002 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1139160423 J * id23 ~id@p54A0244D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1139160429 M * id23 hi #vserver 1139160502 M * id23 is networking for vs2.0.1.2 broken ? - i get this when trying to start a vserver: chbind: vc_net_create(): Invalid argument - using the util-vserver-0.30.210 tools 1139160517 M * id23 patch against 2.6.15.1 1139160644 M * daniel_hozac dynamic contexts? 1139160673 M * id23 static 1139160738 M * id23 testme.sh gives all green 1139160743 M * daniel_hozac what xid? 1139160747 M * id23 50000 1139160765 M * daniel_hozac that's above 49151. 1139160767 M * daniel_hozac that's not allowed. 1139160774 M * daniel_hozac 49151+ is for dynamic contexts. 1139160774 M * id23 argh 1139160776 M * id23 i see 1139160779 M * id23 thanx 1139160823 M * id23 its working now 1139161021 M * micah anyone know why vserver function iattr is necessary for vprocunhide? 1139161087 M * id23 there is a new cache dir in /etc/vservers/guest/ - 4 what is it used for ? 1139161618 M * daniel_hozac micah: hmm? 1139161626 M * daniel_hozac id23: disk limits. 1139161648 M * id23 it just saw that on the net - thanx again - off 4 work 1139161649 M * id23 cya 1139161650 M * micah daniel_hozac: the vprocunhide script does $_VSERVER_INFO - FEATURE iattr || exit 0 1139161661 M * micah before doing anything else 1139161669 M * daniel_hozac right... 1139161691 M * micah I'm trying to understand why... 1139161701 M * daniel_hozac setattr uses vc_set_iattr. 1139161729 Q * id23 Quit: Leaving 1139161785 M * micah ok, so it needs iattr, I wonder why it exits 0 1139161873 M * daniel_hozac if iattr isn't present, it's likely a 2.4 kernel where all of /proc is unhidden by default, i guess. 1139162075 M * micah ah, that makes sense 1139163105 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139163324 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later ... 1139163330 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1139163422 Q * lilo Quit: 1139163462 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1139163691 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1139163809 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139165399 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1139166744 J * grant mep@p5091A27B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1139166747 M * grant sup 1139166770 M * grant Cannot find device "eth0:1" 1139166772 M * grant chbind: kernel does not provide network virtualization 1139166779 M * grant any idea why i get this option? 1139166784 M * grant which kernel option is missing? 1139167005 M * bubulak vlan 1139167008 M * bubulak maybe 1139167104 M * grant yes but its installed 1139167105 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1139167154 M * bubulak hmm 1139167173 M * bubulak how you configure the using device eth0:1 ? 1139167188 M * bubulak in dev file ? 1139167202 M * bubulak or in dev file eth0 and in name file 1 ? 1139167214 M * grant dunno what you mean 1139167228 M * grant i got a eth0:1 interface on the host 1139167241 M * grant and select eth0:1 by the build function 1139167269 M * bubulak /etc/vservers/$guest/interfaces 1139167275 M * bubulak cd 0 1139167321 M * bubulak if you wont have virtual lan device ... "eth0:1" you need have there two files 1139167345 M * bubulak echo "eth0" > dev 1139167350 M * bubulak echo "1" > name 1139167391 M * grant hmm i want the ip of eth0:1 in the guest 1139167471 M * grant RTNETLINK answers: File exists 1139167471 M * grant chbind: kernel does not provide network virtualization 1139167494 M * bubulak hmm 1139167505 M * bubulak sorry .. i cant help you 1139167524 M * derjohn grant, utils-vserion? 1139167530 M * grant alapha 1139167536 M * derjohn version 0.30-xxx ? 1139167547 M * grant [0.30.210] 1139167562 M * daniel_hozac grant: what kernel? could you upload testme.sh output somewhere? 1139167565 M * grant i used same config on some diffrent boxes 1139167575 M * grant only this one amkes problems 1139167581 M * grant 2.6.11.10 1139167597 M * grant patch for the 2.6.11.9 1139167598 M * daniel_hozac you'll need --enable-apis=NOLEGACY to util-vserver's configure. 1139167607 M * daniel_hozac your kernel is too old. 1139167613 M * grant hmm 1139167617 M * grant ok wait 1139167629 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, really? someone must document this foobar soon ... 1139167634 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: it is. 1139167638 M * daniel_hozac read NEWS. 1139167655 M * grant hehe 1139167657 M * bubulak :) 1139167663 A * derjohn slaps himself ! 1139167665 M * grant narf i need a newer atch but i want use grsec too :/ 1139167681 M * grant no good kernel ahcker here who could merge them ;) 1139167688 M * daniel_hozac grant: hmm, IIRC someone did that not too long ago. 1139167708 M * grant where i find this patches? 1139167719 M * derjohn grant, http://download3.daemlich.net/no_direct_linking72/help_wanted_computer_engineer.jpg 1139167748 M * grant tztz derjohn 1139167749 A * derjohn shuts up now .:) 1139167767 M * derjohn grant, from .de ? 1139167783 M * grant yes 1139167785 M * daniel_hozac harry: ping? 1139167785 M * derjohn grant, would you like to join (help?) us at linuxtag ? 1139167796 M * grant in which way 1139167848 M * daniel_hozac http://harry.ulyssis.org/patch-2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0-grsec2.1.7.diff.gz 1139167852 M * derjohn well, I like to organize a area for linux-vserver .. but standing there alone is ! cool. 1139167937 M * grant daniel_hozac: thx worked now! 1139167955 M * grant ah new patch yeah! 1139168002 M * grant derjohn wann und wo ist der dieses jahr 1139168079 M * derjohn 3-6- mai in wiesbaden 1139168141 M * derjohn grant, just drop me a mail: aj@net-lab.net 1139168245 M * cehteh i never had time to meet Bertl or other vserver people at linuxtag .. and this year when i am not working there, i am prolly not there altogether .. 1139168382 M * derjohn cehteh, 'comeon join us. Aren't you there due to the 'political 1139168389 M * derjohn implications' ? 1139168396 M * cehteh ;) 1139168417 M * cehteh got it 1139168417 M * derjohn cehteh, sad. but .... will debian be there or not? 1139168423 M * cehteh sure 1139168432 M * cehteh i am not a debian developer 1139168471 M * derjohn well, wouldnt you join linux-vserver for a day or two? 1139168482 M * cehteh well .. i am there if a) i find someone who drives me (wich might work since some more people from karlsruhe want to go) and b) i dont need to pay entrance fee 1139168516 M * cehteh well i could .. mhm but i think i am not enough up to date with current vserver development 1139168535 M * daniel_hozac that'd be a good time to catch up ;) 1139168556 M * cehteh heh .. actually i am working on my own stuff currently 1139168582 M * derjohn well, at least I hope Bertl will be there for a day. 1139168609 M * derjohn so it's the opportunity to meet the Bertl-Bot in person :) 1139168620 M * cehteh well, i ever promoted vserver as smarter solution for virtualization 1139168655 M * derjohn yes linux-vserver needs promo. Its the clever choise for virtualization. 1139168671 M * cehteh anyways .. when my Mala embedded language is finished (my current toy) then i would like to encurage that the vserver tools use it .. 1139168680 M * cehteh but i talk about that later :P 1139169349 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1139170351 M * derjohn how to I make a "lo2" interface within a guest ? 1139170649 M * derjohn or is it secure to put lo into a guest? I want to give the guest 127.0.0.2 ... better to bind to eth ? 1139170683 M * daniel_hozac why? 1139170758 M * cehteh how about a netfilter match extension which matches on ctx? that would solve a lot security issues 1139170788 M * derjohn well, bind wants 127.0.0.1. I replaced it with 127.0.0.2 ... better to give it the publicip only? 1139170799 M * daniel_hozac that'd require rebuilding iptables. 1139170823 M * daniel_hozac just tell bind to use the real IP address. 1139170824 M * derjohn cehteh, wants something that he can show on linuxtag :) 1139170860 M * cehteh derjohn: not that, if i want to show something on linuxtag, then i reinstantate my multiip scheme 1139170871 M * derjohn any objectives against 127.0.0.x .. to the guest can communicate via localhost (i.e. spamassassin in a extra guest, but no public ip) 1139170876 P * meandtheshell 1139170877 M * cehteh that would solve the thing even better .. 1139170893 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: any random IP address would do for that. 1139170912 M * cehteh derjohn: how about: 1139170914 M * cehteh $ cat /etc/hosts 1139170914 M * cehteh 10.20.20.10 starbase localhost 1139170933 M * cehteh well might confuse traffic accounting :) 1139170948 M * cehteh well .. we have some bloody workarounds 1139171337 J * marco_ ~marco@200.53.209.245 1139171395 M * marco_ Hi Im newbie on vserver, can i make a question? 1139171438 M * cehteh sure 1139171454 M * derjohn marco_, in IRC you never ask if you may ask a question. 1139171460 M * derjohn marco_, simply ask 1139171536 M * marco_ I have only public ip address, my vservers have private address, i dont know how enter my vservers from internet 1139171560 M * cehteh iptables/NAT would be one solution 1139171576 M * derjohn marco_, set a portfoward from you public ip to the 192.x IP of the guest 1139171577 M * cehteh or proxy them to the outside IP address 1139171594 M * marco_ im try with this rule: 1139171600 M * derjohn i.e. :10022 -> :22 1139171635 M * marco_ but im forced to use portforwrading? 1139171641 M * derjohn no 1139171656 M * derjohn you can also get more public ip from your provider 1139171662 M * marco_ for example iwant all my vserver listen smtp on port 25 1139171664 M * cehteh either that or proxying .. 1139171681 M * cehteh (or more ips ..) 1139171683 M * derjohn marco_, enter != shh ? 1139172097 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-219.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1139172108 M * daniel_hozac marco_: you could also put the vservers on the public IP address. 1139172122 M * daniel_hozac but then the host and guests might interfer with eachother. 1139172317 M * marco_ then is not posible that all vserser listen on sam ports with only public ip? 1139172336 M * FaUl nope, definitly not :-) 1139172343 A * cehteh recommends portforwarding via iptables/NAT .. thats likely the most sane solution if you have only one ip 1139172369 M * cehteh marco_: how should that work? 1139172403 M * cehteh if you have vserver foo and vserver bar 1139172428 M * cehteh and then ssh to the ip .. where shall it end at foo or at bar? 1139173230 M * marco_ ok, give me your ideas please, my scenario is the next: 1139173290 M * marco_ i have a dsl connection (just one ip), im training some pleaple on http and mail server 1139173323 M * marco_ i want each have one server to install apache and postfix 1139173332 M * derjohn Bertl_oO, I vote for this one: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/LOGO/virtux_01.png 1139173386 Q * weasel helium.oftc.net oxygen.oftc.net 1139173458 J * weasel weasel@asteria.debian.or.at 1139173602 M * derjohn Bertl_oO, but virtux should wear sunglasses :) 1139173653 Q * marco_ Quit: Abandonando 1139173746 Q * nox Quit: If the world is without walls and fences -- who needs Windows and Gates ? 1139173798 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1139173968 Q * micah Quit: leaving 1139174164 M * SiD3WiNDR derjohn: and have a beer? :p 1139174207 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, tux with beer is already used by linux-bierwanderung AFAIR ;) 1139174229 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, But the virtualisation tux should wear matrix-sytle glasses :) 1139174238 M * derjohn *matrix-style 1139174266 M * cehteh ack :) 1139174355 M * SiD3WiNDR derjohn: afaik it's simply used in the linux kernel... 1139174367 M * SiD3WiNDR when using framebuffer on linux startup, no? 1139174401 M * cehteh who uses framebuffer on a server anyways? 1139174402 M * derjohn SiD3WiNDR, you mean beer? in the framebuffer ... sounds more like a funbuffer ;) 1139174425 M * SiD3WiNDR cehteh: not me, but knoppix does :) 1139174429 M * SiD3WiNDR and yes, beer :) 1139174525 M * cehteh beer .. only distilled and matured at least 12 years in oak casks 1139174702 M * derjohn cehteh, another point we could figure out on linuxtag. I could bring some littlemill or a nice scapa cask strengh ... 1139174705 M * derjohn *lock* 1139174716 M * cehteh ;) 1139174730 M * derjohn *anlock* 1139174736 M * cehteh so vserver has its own booth this year? 1139174752 M * cehteh or together with some other project? 1139174765 M * cehteh btw from where are you? 1139174792 M * cehteh i could offer sleeping places here .. but thats still 150km away from wiesbaden 1139174814 M * cehteh (last years i always had a LT party at home ;)) 1139174841 M * cehteh to bad that LT doesnt stay in karlsruhe 1139174943 M * cehteh btw anyone of you interested in distributed filesystems? http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/DistributedFileSystem .. i am going to work that more out and implement it some day 1139174966 M * cehteh ideas/suggestions welcome 1139175064 M * derjohn cehteh, I am from Offenach, 30 mins from Wiesbaden. Good that LT is not in Karlsruhe this year :) 1139175091 M * derjohn cehteh, I will try to get a booth as soon as enough people promise to join me at that booth. 1139175107 M * derjohn cehteh, I collected vserveral promises .... 1139175498 M * cehteh derjohn: i dont think you need much people ... actualy too much is bad in my experience .. 1 or 2 people there at any time who know what they are saying are more worth than dozens of wannabetheres 1139175551 M * derjohn cehteh, yes, I want (me + 1) fore SURE. job sharing among people welcome. but /me does not want to be alone there 1139175623 M * cehteh and a bit hardware/material pepared to show vserver in action 1139175672 M * cehteh well .. maybe i'll help .. but i need a vserver update for myself first .. may is still some time ahead lets see .. 1139175716 M * cehteh but before you cancel the booth if there are not enough people, ask me .. i think vserver is really a project which i missed past years 1139175735 M * derjohn cehteh, I will bring some 1U pizzas ... 1139175749 M * derjohn cehteh, and a coffe machine if allowed 1139175770 M * derjohn cehteh, and thee are plans for a demo cd with uniionfs .... 1139175792 M * derjohn cehteh, cool ... a 1/2 promise 1139175806 M * derjohn would you mind to drop me a mail for futher planning? 1139175819 M * cehteh last years it was if you only hand it to 'customers' and dont want money for it .. the caterer for the exhibition hall had the only license to sell food 1139175840 M * cehteh dunno how that is in wiesbaden .. but i dont expect it much different there 1139175881 M * derjohn cehteh, no it#s only for the coffe-to-code-converters (programmers) 1139175910 M * cehteh i dont want to make a 1/2 promise .. rather try without me .. but if you need me then contact me early (chth@gmx.net) and i am 100% there when we agree on times/schedule 1139176009 M * cehteh btw .. beamer would be nice too 1139176023 J * micah ~micah@ool-4355be81.dyn.optonline.net 1139176027 M * cehteh anyways ... its still some time to plan 1139176042 M * derjohn cehteh, beamer, yes. np. we have one here... maybe not enough candeles, but lets see 1139176071 M * micah I'm looking for a reliable way to test if a system is using legacy vservers, has anyone worked this out? 1139176084 M * cehteh even if its only a small (1m or such) where most beamers are bright enough its good 1139176123 M * cehteh on a monitor you can only show 1 or at most 2 people something ... with a beamer you can do the same buth interested people can look too 1139176193 M * daniel_hozac micah: test "`echo /etc/vservers/*.conf`" != "/etc/vservers/*.conf" ? 1139176259 M * micah daniel_hozac: very clever 1139176301 M * micah daniel_hozac: have you ever seen a setup where people have had legacy and new-style configs at the same time? 1139176341 M * daniel_hozac they probably exist. 1139176399 M * derjohn cehteh, I see: This will be a cool event ;) 1139176625 M * cehteh i just need to figure out when and how to get there .. and if i stay there overnight or not 1139176631 M * cehteh well .. its still time 1139176726 M * cehteh btw .. if you have time to prepare it .. presenting vserver together with openmosix and/or xen would be cool .. if it even works 1139176741 J * wam ~wigwam@p549DFE62.dip.t-dialin.net 1139176794 M * cehteh i am not a hoster, but a frontend vserver backed with a mosix cluster would be cool? 1139176798 M * derjohn cehteh, Bertl requested a timeslot for a presentation. I think he stills waits for the AW. I dont know when he will be pi...ed not hearing anything from them. 1139176801 M * wam Hi! I shut down my vserver with "reboot -f" inside the vserver. Now, it doesn't restart. And when trying a "vserver www start" from the host, it says: "ioctl(): Device or resource busy". How can I fix this? 1139176864 M * cehteh derjohn: well yeah too bad .. i have tons of ideas .. but likely i wont prepare them anytime soon 1139176916 M * cehteh wam: no idea .. maybe some processes still running in that context? 1139176975 M * wam cehteh: due to "vps axf|grep 100" not. 100 is the context. 1139176989 M * wam s/due/according 1139177112 M * wam ah - found it. It didn't call my scripts/postpost-stop.de/vrsetup, which sets up the virtual root device... Thanks anyway! 1139178209 P * wam 1139179236 J * sarkar112 ~sarkar112@cpe-69-204-160-33.nycap.res.rr.com 1139180318 Q * sarkar112 Quit: « Ë×Çü®§îöñ » Info~[v9.5]~ Released~[October 27, 2003]~ 1139180711 J * wrighty ~wrighty@88-104-224-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com 1139180833 Q * wrighty Quit: 1139181833 Q * cryo Read error: Connection timed out 1139182875 M * harry daniel_hozac: pong 1139182881 M * harry harry.ulyssis.org 1139182884 M * harry there are the patches 1139182904 M * daniel_hozac yeah, i eventually found that in the IRC logs ;) 1139183006 Q * lilo Quit: leaving 1139183071 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Tools+and+patches are you on there? 1139183212 M * derjohn harry, foobar! Could you point me to the problem report of the MPT driver / HW ? 1139183240 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1139183482 M * harry daniel_hozac: nope 1139183489 M * harry derjohn: ? 1139183496 M * derjohn harry, harry.ulyssis.org/0days ... he he .... 1139183504 M * harry got framed? ;) 1139183512 M * derjohn he he yes ... ! 1139183534 M * derjohn harry, I meant you SCSI board ... you told it's buggy ... 1139183541 M * harry recursion is often detected... 5 level recursion does the trick :) 1139183548 M * harry derjohn: it's weekend for me now... 1139183558 M * harry didn't have to work thursday and friday 1139183566 M * derjohn harry, hey, past 0'o clock :) 1139183569 M * harry tomorrow, i will talk to HP people about it 1139183572 M * harry hehe 1139183577 M * derjohn what controller was ist? 1139183591 M * harry lsi logic 21320r- 1139183593 M * harry lsi logic 21320r 1139183620 M * derjohn ah, ok. pls keep me informed about that. heared we have blade server with similar chips. 1139183655 M * harry will do 1139183689 M * derjohn thx ! ! 1139183897 Q * meebey Read error: Connection reset by peer 1139183900 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net