1138060978 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1138061337 M * Bertl has anybody managed to install a guest with util-vserver and yum yet? 1138061354 M * michal` i did a while ago 1138061358 M * michal` good evening btw :) 1138061364 M * Bertl I keep getting: 1138061364 M * michal` on fedora core 4 1138061373 M * Bertl You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. 1138061375 M * Bertl blabla 1138061381 M * Cru me too, with chroot-patched yum on CentOS4 without problems 1138061387 M * michal` (but i was getting some patch for yum here) 1138061394 M * Bertl I have the changeroot patched yum 2.2.1 1138061410 J * Thewrdnrd ~thewordne@dsl093-216-223.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net 1138061431 M * Bertl but I guess it is still missing some keys somehwere, on the host it's fine I disabled the gpg check there 1138061437 M * Bertl welcome Thewrdnrd! 1138061468 M * Thewrdnrd I'm not sure whether this is a vserver issue, a firewall issue or what. Are there instructions for running services on a vserver behind a firewall? 1138061470 M * Cru what distro the keys are missing for? 1138061477 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: did you disable the GPG checking in /etc/vservers/.distributions/*/yum.conf? 1138061503 M * Thewrdnrd More specifically, I'm wondering if it's possible to set a default gateway in my vservers so they route through the firewall? 1138061535 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: those file(s) do not exist# 1138061563 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: who is the firewall? the host? 1138061582 M * Thewrdnrd Bertl: Yes. 1138061599 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: am I supposed to write a /etc/vservers/.distributions/fc4/yum.conf ? 1138061613 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: then you want to use SNAT for your guest 1138061617 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, so i see... ah, it's in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/*/yum/yum.conf 1138061633 M * daniel_hozac that split always confuses me. 1138061700 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: okay, added a nogpg line there, but no change 1138061745 M * Bertl gpgcheck=0 to be precise 1138061774 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer 1138061779 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: something like iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s -j SNAT --to 1138061786 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138061820 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: or, if the guest has a separate IP in a separate network, you need to setup table based routing 1138061851 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: it would be sufficient if I'd know where to get those damn keys and where to put them 1138061884 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: not to ask why they are not already included in the tools 1138061894 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/os/RPM-GPG-KEY* 1138061919 M * Thewrdnrd Hmm. Here's a bit more context. For the most part it works, but I can't connect to my services behind the firewall. I read this FAQ: 1138061922 M * Thewrdnrd http://www.shorewall.net/faQ.htm#faq1a 1138061922 M * daniel_hozac to /etc/vservers/.distributions/fc4/pubkeys/ 1138061963 M * Thewrdnrd Actually I think it's 1b, but I followed the instructions about running 'shorewall show nat', and it looks like packets are getting through. 1138061997 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: same result, doesn't change anything 1138061998 M * Thewrdnrd I'm just not sure where this problem lies. Vserver/shorewall/what. 1138062039 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: IIRC shorewall does handle forwarding and masquerading 1138062058 M * azazel anyone knows where can i find a reference of the vsched command? 1138062064 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: but it doesn't do SNAT by default (nor DNAT) 1138062081 M * Bertl azazel: which one? 1138062121 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: vserver FC4 build -m yum --hostname fc4.test.at --interface fc4=eth0:10.0.0.1/24 --context 201 --initstyle=plain -- -d fc4 1138062124 M * Thewrdnrd I think I have SNAT set up. Basically, I can do everything except connect to servers running on the vserver through the firewall. Locally, fine, just not through the firewall. 1138062128 M * azazel Bertl: sure about shorewall? it does some kind of snat 1138062138 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: that's what I'm trying on an fc2 host 1138062161 M * Bertl azazel: it can do it, but it doesn't do it by default IIRC 1138062177 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: 1138062187 M * Bertl do you have a public IP for that guest? 1138062189 M * azazel Bertl: i'm using vsched version 0.30.208 1138062198 M * Bertl vsched --help 1138062201 M * Thewrdnrd Bertl: No. 1138062218 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: so how do you 'try' to reach the guest then? 1138062272 M * Thewrdnrd Forwarding all SSH packets from outside to the shell server running at 192.168.0.3, for instance. 1138062286 M * azazel Bertl: yes, but something more verbose, explaining concepts of all tha schedurer stuff?:) 1138062304 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: nevermind, it seems the newer tools have different rules where to put things ... will have to adjust the pathes 1138062333 M * Bertl azazel: http://linux-vserver.org/Scheduler+Parameters 1138062422 M * Bertl ahem, who was the funny guy who removed the link to the vserver paper? 1138062433 M * azazel many thanks! 1138062459 M * Bertl ah, link is there, just under a strange name :) 1138062464 J * Cru- ~mindwarp@wlan-hotzpotz.e.de.wahlich.com 1138062468 M * Cru- re 1138062477 M * Bertl azazel: http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-06 1138062487 M * Bertl 06.3. Token Bucket Extensions 1138062520 M * Bertl azazel: it's not what you have with most recent devel versions, but it's very close (most recent versions have more options) 1138062529 M * Bertl wb Cru-! 1138062568 M * azazel definetly docs needs refactoring, throwing away old stuff! good tha it's there however 1138062574 M * azazel :) 1138062588 M * Thewrdnrd So I guess most people use vservers with public IPs when running servers on them, instead of firewalling them? 1138062589 M * Bertl azazel: go ahead! 1138062625 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: depends, but a firewall per-se does not do anything regarding port mapping and such 1138062687 P * undefined 1138062778 M * Thewrdnrd Hmm, so using iptables is the only way to set a vserver's default gateway? I got ""SIOCADDRT: Operation not permitted" when I tried "route add default gw 192.168.0.1". Not sure if this is the issue, but . . . 1138062979 M * Bertl no, you can set the default gateway quite fine on the host 1138062993 M * azazel what are jiffies?:) schedule cycles? 1138063013 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: but you have to understand how the routing and networking works first 1138063071 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0470.html 1138063074 M * Thewrdnrd Oh, Hmm. Is there documentation that explains that? (I.e. how to set the vserver gateway) I've been googling for a couple hours already, found lots of things about setting the IP/netmask/broadcast but nothing about gateways. :) 1138063084 M * Bertl azazel: timer interrupts .. basically 1138063086 M * Thewrdnrd Cool, thanks. 1138063113 M * Bertl Thewrdnrd: but I'm pretty sure you actually want a DNAT rule for some port 1138063329 M * Cru- Thewrdnrd: what are you trying to do? having several vservers on local IP, sharing ports from a public IP? 1138063349 M * Cru- s/local IP/local IPs/ 1138063505 M * azazel is it possible to show some scheduler feature, without enabling hard scheduling?i'm trying with burnP5 in a vserver with 1/4 fillrate/fillinterval, but it gets 100%of the cpu 1138063722 M * Bertl without the hard scheduler you will not see much 1138063739 M * Bertl you can enable the priority scheduler and adjust two hogs in ndifferent contexts 1138063968 M * azazel ah, right, this is a situation where fill params come into play 1138065749 Q * mire Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138066070 M * Cru- Oh, Francine, I can see your Schmutzplaetzchen 1138066128 J * mire ~mire@62.108.127.40 1138066142 J * samv_south ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz 1138066157 N * samv_south mugwumpjism 1138066242 M * mugwumpjism well, I just spoke to Russell Coker, who seems to be of the opinion that to be even *considered* for inclusion into Linux upstream, much of vserver would need to be converted to an LSM module 1138066249 M * azazel oh, it's possible to get page size also using python:) 1138066318 M * Bertl mugwumpjism: well, that's something which will never happen, because we are not doing linux-vserver for inclusion but for performance 1138066355 M * Bertl mugwumpjism: and LSM is just slow ... 1138066410 M * mugwumpjism hmm. Apparently Linus will be around later, I might try to dive tackle him at an appropriate moment to talk to him about it 1138066419 M * mugwumpjism (at Linux.conf.au) 1138066468 M * Bertl make that, btw, I think it would make sense to get eric's stuff included 1138066484 M * azazel Bertl: have you tried open-vz and have you written your considerations somewhere? 1138066492 M * mugwumpjism But, in principle, which parts of vserver don't fit within LSM? I can think of at least the scheduler stuff 1138066496 M * Bertl mugwumpjism: it would allow to improve linux-vserver to some extend ... 1138066507 M * Bertl mugwumpjism: limits? 1138066508 M * mugwumpjism eric's stuff? 1138066521 M * Bertl ebiederm_oO: <- 1138066565 M * Bertl azazel: no, but I did read through the code ... 1138066825 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: now I get: 1138066838 M * Bertl vserver fc4-01 build --force -m yum --hostname fc4.test.at --interface fc4=eth0:10.0.0.1/24 --context 201 --initstyle=plain -- -d fc4 1138066846 M * Bertl Config Error: Error accessing file for config file:////etc/vservers/fc4-01/apps/pkgmgmt/base/yum/etc/yum.conf 1138066879 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: it seems 0.30.210 is severely broken in the way it operates (regarding yum/fc4) 1138066980 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, i see no changes regarding that. 1138067138 M * Bertl well, maybe it was broken before, never tried to use yum :) 1138067184 M * daniel_hozac it worked fine the last time i built one (0.30.209). 1138067185 M * Bertl just removed the entire installation and installed the utils from scratch, same result 1138067190 M * daniel_hozac i'm testing 0.30.210 now. 1138067209 M * Bertl it tries to access a yum config file _inside_ the to-be-created guest 1138067238 M * Bertl whcih even fails if I copy it there, as the guest dir is removed on --force 1138067297 M * daniel_hozac well, yum is run from outside the vserver. 1138067326 M * daniel_hozac so it should be referring to a file outside. 1138067348 M * Bertl //sbin/vyum //etc/vservers/fc4-02 -- -y install glibc 1138067366 M * Bertl Config Error: Error accessing file for config file:////etc/vservers/fc4-02/apps/pkgmgmt/base/yum/etc/yum.conf 1138067402 M * Bertl ls -la /etc/vservers/fc4-02 1138067402 M * Bertl ls: /etc/vservers/fc4-02: No such file or directory 1138067509 M * daniel_hozac hmm, building an FC4 guest worked fine here (FC4 host) with that command line (different --interface only). 1138067517 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: is it normal that the file in /lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4/yum/yum.conf contains @YUMCACHEDIR@ and friends? 1138067531 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: yeah, they are replaced by the build scripts. 1138067636 M * Bertl so what am I doing wrong here? 1138067691 M * Bertl the yum is recompiled from FC3 sources (2.2.1 because of the patch) 1138067725 M * daniel_hozac i have no idea. the build scripts play so many dirty tricks i never managed to understand them... 1138067790 M * Bertl okay, any suggestions how to proceed? 1138067841 A * Bertl wrongly assumed that the FC install stuff was somewhat tested (as enrico seems to maintain FC packages) 1138067841 M * daniel_hozac i guess --debug might help? (would leave the directories after the failed builds) 1138067857 M * daniel_hozac well, no one uses FC2 still ;) 1138067923 M * Bertl it does? (regarding debug) 1138067925 M * Bertl + rm -rf //etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/fc4-04 //etc/vservers/fc4-04 //etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/fc4-04 1138067973 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: well, let me put it this way, I know more folks using fc2 than fc4 :) 1138068089 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: which part of the fc2 host is relevant btw? 1138068226 M * Cru- bbl 1138068236 Q * Cru- Quit: use Unices; $live->free() || die; 1138068262 M * daniel_hozac i can't even find the rm -rf now... 1138068298 M * Bertl maybe we are looking at different 0.30.210 versions? 1138068300 M * daniel_hozac and i suppose just the yum version, which should be good to go. 1138068335 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-5-85.netcologne.de 1138068343 M * Bertl wb Smutje_! 1138068391 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: thought so too, the tools are compiled with dietlibc, and except for yum and rpm (which works fine) there should be no dependancy 1138068423 Q * azazel Quit: Client exiting 1138068444 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138068456 M * daniel_hozac ah, there it is. oh, the option is --keep. 1138068479 J * lonewolf1 ~lonewolff@host-84-9-143-159.bulldogdsl.com 1138068480 M * Bertl okay, assumed I do that --keep, what would I look for? 1138068485 M * Bertl wb lonewolf1! 1138068512 M * daniel_hozac well, the supposedly missing file would be my first bet. 1138068581 Q * lonewolff Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138068751 M * daniel_hozac have you tried with a regular yum, rather than the patched on? 1138068757 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: did you have to copy the keys somewhere too? 1138068776 M * daniel_hozac the RPMs do that automatically. 1138068780 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: yes, that gives the 'you-need-to-patch' message 1138068790 M * daniel_hozac that's just a warning. 1138068800 M * daniel_hozac it'll use some ugly hacks to workaround it, and it won't be secure. 1138068871 M * Bertl hmm, seems another install with different pathes did fix some parts 1138068921 M * Bertl it seems it doesn't like/handle --prefix=/ 1138068939 M * daniel_hozac --prefix= might be better. 1138068956 M * Bertl yeah, well, but is it supposed to matter? 1138068961 M * daniel_hozac no, not really. 1138069010 M * Bertl could you verify that this breaks for you too (somewhere/somehow/sometime)? 1138069085 M * daniel_hozac sure. 1138069279 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1138069286 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1138069303 M * Aiken afternoon 1138069309 M * Aiken 12:21 1138069782 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, now I get something interesting 1138069797 M * Bertl http://ftp.ipv6.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: 1138069898 M * daniel_hozac IPv6? 1138069924 M * Bertl no idea where it got that from :) 1138069935 M * Bertl I assume it is in enricos defaults 1138069948 M * daniel_hozac i think the defaults are the Fedora defaults. 1138069951 M * Bertl do you have a config which works for you and where would I put it? 1138069960 M * daniel_hozac (i.e. the mirror lists) 1138069991 M * daniel_hozac i guess just changing the configuration files from mirrorlist to baseurl would fix that sort of problem. 1138069996 M * daniel_hozac but it should just move on to the next mirror. 1138070019 M * Bertl indeed ... 1138070037 M * Bertl it moved on ... 1138070191 M * Bertl so it seems the --prefix=/ broke it ... 1138070199 M * Bertl everything else seems to work now ... 1138070692 M * daniel_hozac one little character, so much damage... 1138070742 M * daniel_hozac i wonder if it's yum or util-vserver being too picky. 1138070816 M * Bertl I'd suspect the funny file://// urls 1138070859 M * Bertl but IMHO ./configure should strip all extra slashes and reduce the path 1138070907 M * Bertl IIRC, there are rules how to simplify/create canonical pathes 1138070925 M * daniel_hozac i guess a simple realpath(3) would do. 1138070993 M * Bertl so, you can confirm that this breaks it? 1138071007 M * Bertl if so, I'll file a bug report on savannah 1138071084 M * daniel_hozac yeah, breaks on my FC4 host with yum-2.4.1 (unpatched) as well. 1138071095 M * Bertl okay, tx 1138072884 M * Bertl ah, next issue regarding 0.30.210, this time I assume a real 210 issue 1138072909 M * Bertl after installing 80MB of packages, it says: 1138072914 M * Bertl chbind: kernel does not provide network virtualization 1138072935 M * Bertl (this is on an ancient 2.6.11.8-vs2.0-pre4) 1138073041 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dslb-084-058-145-075.pools.arcor-ip.net 1138073048 M * Bertl welcome Thorsten! 1138073053 M * Thorsten Hi Bertl 1138073072 M * Thorsten Remeber that I wanted to upgrade to a newer kernel? ;-) 1138073083 M * Bertl vaguely :) 1138073271 M * Thorsten I happily used 2.6.12.4-vs2.0, then I tried 2.6.14.6 (as you suggested), but I had (known) problems with QoS and shutting down network devices so I could no longer reboot. Additionally proftpd inside a vserver would return huge broken files (because of senfile() beeing enabled - I was told here). 1138073317 M * Bertl hmm .. well the 2.6.14 branch was somewhat problematic indeed 1138073330 M * Thorsten So I tried 2.6.15.1, basically works, proftpd is happy again, but my vserver that handels mails somtimes freezes. 1138073346 M * Bertl which patch do you use? 1138073361 M * Thorsten patch-2.6.15-vs2.1.0.5.diff 1138073371 M * Thorsten freezes is maybe not the right word 1138073404 M * Bertl well, try to explain it to me ... 1138073407 M * Thorsten I can telnet to $IP 25 and the mailserver is still runing, but I can no longer vserver foo enter 1138073435 M * Bertl why? I mean, what keeps you from doing so? 1138073472 M * Thorsten The command seems to do nothing. Just freezes and never comes back 1138073494 M * Bertl hmm, is your mail guest limited with the cpu resources? 1138073521 M * Thorsten Is this enabled by default? 1138073533 M * Bertl no, not that I know of 1138073537 M * Thorsten ok, then no. 1138073551 M * Bertl can you reproduce this issue? 1138073580 M * Bertl i.e. does it happen sometimes or, does it take some time and then happen always? 1138073614 M * Thorsten At the moment I switched back to 2.6.12.4 because I expect import mails today. I suscpect it happens with high loads, e.g. when cron runs. 1138073630 M * Thorsten It happend at least once in 24h 1138073657 M * Bertl hmm, is there any reason why you chose the devel branch for 2.6.15? 1138073680 M * Thorsten Mmm, no I asked here what patch I should use. 1138073706 M * Bertl okay, next time, I'd suggest you try the stable branch with a recent kernel 1138073740 M * Bertl (as it seems that it works fine for you on 2.6.12 1138073813 M * Thorsten I just notice that the download section of linux-vserver.org has changed. Very good! 1138073829 M * Bertl yeah, like it this way? 1138073834 M * Thorsten Much better! 1138073841 M * Bertl kudos go to DavidS 1138073844 M * Thorsten I never new what files to get 1138073879 M * Thorsten s/new/knew/ ;-) 1138073906 M * Bertl I'm just worried that it will get outdated quite soon# 1138073931 M * Bertl but maybe if folks really appreciate it, somebody will keep it up-to-date 1138074103 M * Thorsten OK, I just wanted to give feedback. I'll try again with 2.6.15.1 on the weekend and report how that works. 1138074126 M * Bertl okay, but use the stable branch ... 1138074132 M * Thorsten sure :-) 1138074134 M * Bertl btw, feedback is very appreciated 1138074294 M * Thorsten np and gn8 1138074309 M * Bertl good night! 1138074379 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving 1138075303 J * mef ~mef@pcp09872021pcs.ewndsr01.nj.comcast.net 1138076979 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1138077076 M * Bertl officially welcome ntrs! mef! 1138077735 Q * pusling_ Remote host closed the connection 1138077757 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124 1138080075 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1138080084 M * Bertl wb pusling! welcome balbir! 1138080229 Q * mef Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 1138081081 J * ninja1 ~frheafehf@qld-210-211-64-038.dial.veridas.net 1138081092 M * Bertl welcome ninja1! 1138081180 Q * pusling Remote host closed the connection 1138081188 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124 1138083156 M * Hollow moening Bertl, sorry, fell asleep 1138083209 M * Bertl Hollow: np! you proably needed it ... 1138083264 M * Hollow yeah.. can you show me the rewrite for the current wiki..? i managed to do /wiki/Foo but not /Foo 1138083341 M * Bertl sec 1138083405 M * Bertl RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} ^(.*)$ 1138083409 M * Bertl RewriteCond %1 !-d 1138083411 M * Bertl RewriteCond %1 !-f 1138083413 M * Bertl RewriteRule ^(.*)$ index.php?page=$1&%{QUERY_STRING} 1138083432 M * Bertl but in this case the 'wiki' itself is the top entry 1138083441 M * Hollow yup 1138083449 M * Hollow i had it similar.. i'll try.. 1138083489 M * Bertl of course, adjusting index.php to wiki/index.php 1138083504 M * Bertl would probably work, but the wiki has to use the same names then 1138083579 M * Hollow wtf.. 1138083594 M * Hollow i always wrote ${REQUEST} instead of %{} 1138083670 M * Hollow Bertl: ok, here it is: http://vwiki.croup.de/Main_Page 1138083711 M * Hollow will do the design update when back from school 1138083713 M * Bertl cool ... 1138083985 M * Hollow ok, off to school now, good night bertl ;) 1138083993 M * Bertl tx, have fun! 1138084002 M * Hollow i'll try 1138085204 J * nick324838 nick324838@linus.itc.griffith.edu.au 1138085223 P * nick324838 1138085227 N * nokoya nokoyaz 1138085238 N * nokoyaz nokoya 1138086079 Q * click_ Remote host closed the connection 1138086093 J * click click@ti511110a080-5108.bb.online.no 1138087412 M * Bertl okay folks ... I'm finally off to bed now ... cya tomorrow! 1138087418 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1138088199 Q * Hunger Remote host closed the connection 1138088445 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-125-224-24.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at 1138088448 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1138088495 Q * Vudumen_ Read error: No route to host 1138090205 Q * Hunger Remote host closed the connection 1138091533 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1138092656 N * lonewolf1 lonewolff 1138092672 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1138092820 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138092857 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1138093175 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.Tcldrop.US 1138095343 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-205.lhi.is 1138095633 Q * pusling Remote host closed the connection 1138095642 J * pusling pusling@195.215.29.124 1138095746 Q * ninja1 Quit: Sex Lolitas http://interserv10.i-networx.de/lolitasex.avi XXX 1138095789 J * oliwel ~oliwel@ldvpc07.ldv.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de 1138096569 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer 1138096571 J * pusling_ pusling@195.215.29.124 1138097663 J * azazel ~azazel@81-174-46-248.f5.ngi.it 1138097832 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1138099143 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81 1138099145 M * _are_ Hi 1138099432 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975F39.dip.t-dialin.net 1138099510 Q * Viper0482 Quit: 1138100383 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1138100786 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138100791 J * Johan ~kvirc@194.151.113.2 1138100793 M * Johan Hi all 1138100886 M * Johan I have a strange problem, perhaps someone inhere who can help me? My average load is _HIGH_ (between 3.00 and 6.00) and the machine responds slow. However vtop shows me the machine isn't doing anything at all... (almost nothing) what might/can cause the high load or how can I find out? 1138101209 M * azazel Johan: try htop, it shows you if the load is due to some kernel space threads, like swapping 1138101973 M * Johan ok thanx for the tip azazel 1138103353 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1138103828 Q * oliwel Remote host closed the connection 1138104252 J * kjo ~krischan@p548A497B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1138104594 J * thermoman ~thermo@bommel.thermoman.de 1138105084 M * thermoman how is vsomething supposed to work _correctly_? 1138105539 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving 1138105568 Q * ntrs_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1138105569 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1138105858 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net 1138106321 J * kjo_ ~krischan@p548A497B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1138106402 Q * kjo_ Quit: 1138106434 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend 1138106816 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com 1138107072 P * thermoman "Wenn der Rechner versteckt ist, kann er von Hackern auch nicht gefunden werden." Antje Weber, Symantec 1138107350 J * Falle falstaf@voip-forum.se 1138107448 M * Falle Is there some way to hide the other ehternet interfaces from a vserver? im running 2.4.32 w/ 1.2.10 patch. 1138107613 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio488.ipsi.fraunhofer.de 1138107638 M * Milf good morning dear students. And to the rest of you: good afternoon :) 1138107747 M * daniel_hozac Falle: i think it should only show interfaces available to the vserver, but i'm not sure. i've never used 2.4 with vserver... 1138107791 M * Falle mine shows all interfaces avalible on the host server 1138108163 M * daniel_hozac any particular reason you chose 2.4? 1138108512 M * Falle daniel_hozac: 2.6 kernel gives me realy strange IDE errors. 1138108518 M * Falle works great in 2.4 1138108758 M * brc weird. 2.6 should work fine :) 1138108984 M * Falle yeah.. thats what i thought too.. Dont have the patience to find out why though. I just want to get things working and to me the selection of kernel dont really matter that much 1138109066 M * Falle but i still would like to hide the aliases from the vservers. all ideas welcome :) 1138109503 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975F39.dip.t-dialin.net 1138110113 M * brc the selection of kernel will matter , there are lot of improvements on vserver from 2.4 to 2.6 1138110282 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138110405 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146 1138110973 N * pusling_ pusling 1138111132 M * Falle hmm, next question. How do i reboot a vserver while im inside it? 1138111157 M * daniel_hozac maybe reboot -f. 1138111246 J * jsaw_ ~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de 1138111246 Q * jsaw Read error: Connection reset by peer 1138111396 M * Falle it just says: init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory 1138111414 M * Falle and a vserver should have an initctl either? 1138111439 M * Cru only in plain mode 1138111452 M * Falle Sorry about all the questions, its my first ever vserver :) 1138111465 M * Falle plain mode? 1138111506 M * Cru a vserver may either run its own init (plain mode) or all its initscripts get started/stopped by the host system (sysv mode) 1138111515 M * Cru what OS is you guest? 1138111563 M * Falle slackware 1138111594 M * Falle host also 1138111683 M * Cru try reboot -f resp. poweroff -f 1138111727 M * Cru this directly sends the request to the system, skating over init 1138111759 M * Falle hmm, ok. Can this be set as the default approach somehow? 1138111823 M * Cru echo -e "alias poweroff='/sbin/poweroff -f'\nalias reboot='/sbin/reboot -f'" >/etc/profile.d/sysv.sh 1138111835 M * Cru and re-login 1138111932 M * Cru or set the init style to plain mode (vserver stop && echo "plain" >/etc/vservers//apps/init/style; vserver start 1138111942 M * Cru ) 1138111976 M * Falle i use the .conf based vserver setup 1138111983 M * Falle patch 1.2.10 1138112008 M * Cru uh, dont know whether reboot -f even works then... 1138112023 M * Cru the ancient method was to use rebootmgr 1138112084 M * Falle hmm, any links on how to set that up? 1138112132 M * Cru usually /etc/init.d/rebootmsg start 1138112141 M * Cru after starting up all vservers 1138112297 M * Falle hmm, testing 1138112327 J * mikmak ~mmarcha@iflap2.ujf-grenoble.fr 1138112360 M * mikmak hi 1138112372 M * mikmak I have some problems setting up the capabilities inside a vserver 1138112394 M * mikmak i set some of them in /etc/vservers/myserv/bcapabilities, but it does not seem to work 1138112416 M * mikmak for example CAP_IPC_LOCK or CAP_IPC_OWNER 1138112428 M * mikmak when I use lcap inside the vserver, it does not show them 1138112437 M * mikmak any idea what I did wrong ? 1138112752 M * daniel_hozac mikmak: did you restart the guest after adding the capabilities? 1138112845 M * mikmak yes many times ;) 1138112886 M * daniel_hozac and what does grep Cap /proc/self/status show? 1138112963 M * mikmak CapInh: 0000000000000000 1138112963 M * mikmak CapPrm: 0000000035ecc4ff 1138112964 M * mikmak CapEff: 0000000035ecc4ff 1138113001 M * mikmak quick question , should it be CAP_IPC_LOCK or just IPC_LOCK in the bcapabilities file ? 1138113012 M * mikmak ( I tried both, and that did not work :) 1138113024 M * daniel_hozac it doesn't matter. it accepts both. 1138113036 M * mikmak ok 1138113098 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net 1138113160 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-19-100.netcologne.de 1138113187 M * Falle regarding capabilities, do i block or allow the ones i enter in the .conf? As it is now my s_caps= is clean 1138113231 M * daniel_hozac mikmak: what does grep BCaps /proc/virtual//status show? same thing? 1138113251 M * Cru Falle: CAPs you enter are the ones that are NOT dropped 1138113269 Q * Smutje_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138113413 M * mikmak on the host : 1138113414 M * mikmak bach:~# grep Cap /proc/self/status 1138113415 M * mikmak CapInh: 0000000000000000 1138113415 M * mikmak CapPrm: 00000000fffffeff 1138113416 M * mikmak CapEff: 00000000fffffeff 1138113420 M * mikmak bach:~# grep BCaps /proc/virtual/101/status 1138113421 M * mikmak BCaps: 00000000344cc4ff 1138113436 M * Falle cru: in other words, an empty s_caps= string os fairly restrictive in rights for the vserver 1138113455 M * Cru right 1138113460 M * mikmak in the guest, there is no /proc/virtual 1138113490 M * mikmak and the Cap in self/status are : 1138113491 M * mikmak CapInh: 0000000000000000 1138113492 M * mikmak CapPrm: 00000000344cc4ff 1138113492 M * mikmak CapEff: 00000000344cc4ff 1138113550 M * Roey hi!! 1138113554 M * Roey mikmak: fancy meeting you here 1138113565 M * Roey daniel_hozac: heya. How do I renmae servers? 1138113614 M * Roey daniel_hozac: like, I just want to move /vservers/phoenix to /vservers/mail (without chanigng the machine's name in its /etc/hosts file). I get an error when issuing 'mv': that the resource is busy. 1138113643 M * mikmak lo Roey :) 1138113651 M * mikmak you stopped the vserver before moving it ? 1138113707 M * Falle btw, mikmak.. thanks for helping me the other day :) 1138113715 M * mikmak you're welcome :) 1138113717 M * Roey mikmak: yes I tried that too. 1138113727 M * Roey mikmak: but that particular vserver isn't active at the moment even. 1138113736 M * mikmak maybe some mounted filesystem ? 1138113741 M * mikmak (/dev /proc ...) 1138113814 M * Roey what do you mean? 1138113820 M * Roey it's in /vservers 1138113826 M * Roey which is a different partition from / 1138113874 M * mikmak when you start a vserver, it mounts some filesystems in it I think 1138113929 M * Roey ok 1138114097 Q * Milf Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138117367 M * Hollow http://vwiki.croup.de/Releases comments? 1138118253 M * daniel_hozac nice, but what's with util-vserver 0.30.210? 1138118321 M * Hollow hm, it's in there ;) 1138118569 M * daniel_hozac yeah, but not for 1.2* nor 2.0. 1138118840 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1138119071 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1138119079 M * Bertl morning folks! 1138119201 M * daniel_hozac morning! 1138119396 M * Roey BERTLOSCOPY 1138119397 M * Roey whatup?? 1138119507 M * Roey Bertl: this is perplexing me: we have our servers for mail, web, dns, other DMZ services. I'm putting them all under a common vserver root server. Is it a good idea to leave the vserver names as per the machine names, or maybe I can change the vserver names to more accurately describe the functions of the vserver guests. 1138119514 M * Roey like mail instead of 'phoenix' 1138119547 M * Roey Bertl: currently my plan is to implement a guest, test it, and then have it take over the IP of an existing host. 1138119618 M * Bertl well, whatever you like, you have a 'name' and a 'host name' so you can use the same identifier there or different ones 1138119635 M * Roey but what are the best practices? 1138119638 M * Roey what would you guys do? 1138119666 M * Bertl if you prefer phoenix as identifier for the guest over mail, then do it ... 1138119699 M * Roey It's just for legacy reasons why I use those name sin the new guests. 1138119708 M * Roey it's because they're already cached by our provider's dns servers. 1138119739 M * Bertl it's not important what we do here, because if I tell you that I use 4 digit alphanum identifiers for my guests, then doing so would not necessarily simplify it for you (just because I can easily recognize them doesn mean you do) 1138119782 M * Bertl nevertheless, I can give you a few probably confusing examples ... 1138119833 M * Roey ok 1138119841 M * Roey hmm 1138119852 M * Roey Bertl: OK, so I'll leave them be, in that case. 1138119858 M * Bertl guest101 (xid=102, hostname=g103), mail (hostname=www), host6 (hostname=guest2) 1138119898 M * Bertl another 'unlucky' choice is to have aliases like guest101 1138119956 M * Roey eek 1138119957 M * Bertl because if you use alias names (for the interfaces) you probably want ifconfig to show something meaningful, which in turn will be the first 4 characters, which will give you eth0:gues for all guests with similar names 1138119959 M * Roey that looks very confusing. 1138119974 M * Roey Bertl: I just use different IP numbers. 1138119977 M * Roey get it? 1138119993 M * Roey Bertl: something out there bugs me: 1138120001 M * Roey Bertl: if a guest is compromised, 1138120009 M * Roey Bertl: it can theoretically listen on all ports for any trafic 1138120026 M * Bertl on his very own ip, yes 1138120065 M * Roey Bertl: so I don't need to have specific host nunbers in my guests' /etc/ssh/sshd_config's? 1138120073 M * Roey Bertl: or only on the root vserver? 1138120087 M * Bertl only on the host, as it is _not_ limited 1138120118 M * Roey ok. 1138120136 M * Roey oh perfect.. so I don't have to put too many guest-specific IPs on the guests themselves. 1138120200 M * Bertl no, actually you do not have to restrict any of the guests unless you want a subset of the guest-asigned IPs 1138120325 M * Roey ok 1138120844 M * Hollow hey Bertl, i've cleaned up the wiki 1138120854 M * Bertl *checking* 1138120877 M * Bertl hmm, okay, main page now empty? 1138120898 M * Bertl ah, it's called Linux-VServer 1138120917 M * Hollow ah, no.. i renamed it from Main_Page to Linux-VServer, just go to http://vwiki.croup.de 1138120918 M * Hollow yup 1138120920 M * Hollow ;) 1138120924 M * Hollow looks nicer 1138120957 M * Bertl yes, definitely ... a few things though, IMHO, want comments? 1138120973 M * Hollow yep 1138121024 M * Bertl check http://vwiki.croup.de/New, look at the footer 1138121034 Q * cryo Remote host closed the connection 1138121064 M * Hollow hm.. yeah, crappy divs 1138121072 M * Bertl then , the create account should be placed in the same line as acrticle and edit 1138121086 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146 1138121106 M * Hollow that's not a good idea, because the arctivel..discussion navi can get quite large 1138121122 M * Bertl hmm ... 1138121135 M * Hollow but moved it some pixels from the top 1138121160 M * Hollow maybe we can add a box around it? 1138121175 M * Bertl okay, leave it as is for now 1138121187 M * Bertl (probably I'm missing soemthing regarding the navbar) 1138121230 M * Bertl we should definitely get rid of the (now /Linux-VServer) for the main URL, even if it is used internally 1138121233 Q * Thewrdnrd Quit: leaving 1138121255 M * Bertl (at least in the final approach) 1138121281 M * Hollow mediawiki always redirect to the title of the pgae you set for the main page 1138121292 M * Hollow but maybe we can dig in the php code to disable it 1138121317 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure a special case is trivial to do, I can do that once we decide for it 1138121384 M * Bertl ad news, the compact view is much better, but it should be aligned, and where did the accompaning text go? i.e. is it still available? 1138121386 M * Hollow yeah, guess so too 1138121417 M * Hollow well, i linked the title now, and one can create a page for each news, but probably that's a bit of overkil 1138121524 M * Bertl probably 1138121575 M * Hollow anything else? 1138121613 M * Bertl I'd really love to try it with a font with serifs ... 1138121632 M * Bertl not sure it will look better, but I have to see it ... 1138121667 M * Hollow ok, look again 1138121689 M * Bertl maybe we even should separate 'control/menu' from text by this way 1138121703 M * Hollow i don't think mixing fonts is a good ide 1138121703 M * Hollow a 1138121803 M * Bertl hmm .. hard to tell, at 120% it looks quite nice ... 1138121848 M * Hollow *shrug* i always prefer(ed) fonts without serifs, but as you said.. hard to tell (and to decide) 1138121868 M * Bertl okay, that's something we can ask folks later I'd say 1138121877 M * Hollow yep 1138121884 M * Bertl maybe even make it customizeable? 1138121899 M * Bertl IIRC, it should support different stylesheets no? 1138121904 M * Hollow yep 1138121951 M * Bertl so that's not a problem then I guess, we just have to make sure that things like the footer do not break that easily 1138121960 M * Hollow i fixed that already 1138122021 M * Hollow regarding the linux-vsever.org text somehwere.. i'd suggest to put it in the logo graphic 1138122053 M * Bertl it seems the linebreaking for the 'Welcome to Linux-VServer.org' is too small, when I reduce the width of the window, it starts overlapping :) 1138122067 M * Bertl (at least here) 1138122132 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu 1138122137 M * Bertl welcome stefani! 1138122148 M * stefani hola 1138122177 M * Hollow ok, i made it a bit smaller, looks better anyway imo 1138122237 M * Hollow Bertl: did you see http://vwiki.croup.de/Releases ? 1138122289 M * Bertl ah, nice ... 1138122370 M * Bertl it's definitely going in the right direction 1138122387 M * Hollow :) 1138122428 M * Hollow guess we should work out a skeleton (also look at http://vwiki.croup.de/Documentation) and then encourage people to help with transistion 1138122513 M * Bertl yes, definitely a good skeleton based on the restructuring and requirements folks seem to have is very important 1138122554 M * Hollow yeah, it's sometimes really hard to fine it's way through the current wiki, so we should make a good organization, and imo mediawiki has some good ways for organizing 1138122570 M * Hollow e.g. Categories 1138122642 M * Bertl well, tavi has categories too, just nobody used them yet :) 1138122652 M * Hollow we'll use them. 1138122653 M * Hollow :) 1138122805 M * Hollow Bertl: do you want to keep the old wiki around for some time? 1138122820 M * Bertl definitely 1138122863 M * Bertl we might also consider doing a permanent redirect for important pages (i.e. pages google did find) 1138122886 M * Hollow ok, guess i have not much time until friday, have to write a paper for school, but maybe we talk about the skeleton sa/so 1138122903 M * Hollow yeah, good point 1138122903 M * Bertl excellent, will be busy this week anyway ... 1138124643 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 ! 1138124649 M * azazel hi bertl.. maybe you found the slides?:) 1138124713 M * Bertl azazel: no, sorry, didn't look for them, forgot again ... 1138124786 M * azazel oh, i'll present vserver this evening!:-| 1138124798 M * Bertl azazel: will try hard to remember this evening 1138124816 M * Bertl oops .. I'm terribly sorry then ... 1138124824 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138124836 M * azazel i'll copy them out of the video 1138124839 M * Bertl but you can blame it on me ... just put up the existing slides and add your comments ... 1138124864 M * Bertl the slides are available as pdf, no need to copy them 1138124899 M * Bertl vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SLIDES/slides-openweekend.pdf 1138124942 M * azazel fine ! many thanks 1138124960 M * Bertl you're welcome, and sorry again! 1138125036 J * zobel zobel@zobel.irc.ftbfs.de 1138125045 M * Bertl wb zobel! 1138125804 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later this evening ... 1138125811 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1138126099 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138126704 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81 1138127138 M * mire hi, is it possible to just copy an existing filesystem into /var/lib/vservers and get it working like that? 1138127173 M * mire like I get centos4 filesystem, copy it to /var/lib/vservers/centos4/ and do vserver centos4 start 1138127286 M * azazel disk limits are usable on reiserfs? 1138127601 M * mire everybody sleeping? 1138127700 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1138127711 M * SiD3WiNDR mire: you need config files at least in /etc/vserver 1138127721 M * SiD3WiNDR and clean up dev/ in the image 1138127728 M * SiD3WiNDR and disable some initscripts too I guess 1138127751 M * mire can i put the /dev of fedora core 2 1138127758 M * mire and the rest from centos4 1138127791 M * mire because, on debian rh/fedora install just don't work 1138127801 M * mire I got vserver running only with marlow images 1138127933 M * derjohn azazel, disk limits work on reiser on the newer versions os vs. 1138128005 M * derjohn azazel, It could be that you need to mount the reiserfs mit the option "user_xattr". at least you need that for te tagxit option. 1138128011 M * derjohn *tagxid 1138128090 M * derjohn mire, how did you tyr to vserer build ... 1138128101 M * mire derjohn, debian guests work 1138128105 M * mire but redhat/fedora don't 1138128113 M * mire its always some stupid error message 1138128119 M * mire line 206 something 1138128147 M * mire I'm using debian unstable, debians util-vserver 1138128156 M * mire 2.6 kernel 1138128173 M * derjohn mire, ok. I didnt use fc guest. but util-vserver "knows" fc3. you can the the type of distri den building a guest and use yum to install. 1138128188 M * derjohn mire, kernel is fine, that shouldnt be the problem. 1138128203 M * derjohn mire, sarge host? 1138128215 M * derjohn micah, which version of util-vserver ? 1138128222 M * mire let me see 1138128237 M * mire ii util-vserver 0.30.209-2 tools for Virtual private servers and context switching 1138128246 M * mire Linux zwer 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1-vserver-1 #2 PREEMPT Sun Jan 22 05:08:13 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux 1138128272 M * mire debian unstable 1138128273 M * derjohn mire, ok versiosn are fine. (.210 util exists, but there shouldnt be much change you need). 1138128316 M * derjohn mire, wait for daniel_hozac , he is oe of the fc users here. (Maybe others, too), I dont know about yum/fc install. 1138128375 M * mire derjohn, thank you 1138128395 M * derjohn nema problema :) 1138128505 M * mire derjohn, where are you from? 1138128515 M * mire (I'm from belgrade, serbia) :) 1138128546 M * derjohn mire, Germany. I guesse that you are form about that area (becuase of your realname) 1138128560 M * mire yeah, I see you know my language :) 1138128567 M * mire cool 1138128594 M * mire mire@zwer:/etc/vservers/.distributions$ pwd 1138128594 M * mire /etc/vservers/.distributions 1138128594 M * mire mire@zwer:/etc/vservers/.distributions$ ls 1138128594 M * mire fc1 fc2 fc3 fc4 rh9 suse91 1138128619 M * derjohn mire, not much language :) BTW: The marlow images _may_ coem from old times (kernel 2.4 vserver) I didnt follow on that. 1138128629 M * derjohn mire, yes I told you it knows the fcX :) 1138128647 M * derjohn did you install the debian guests with debootstrap ? 1138128652 M * mire I'm happy with fedora core 2 image, got it to work with some strange rpm's I need 1138128866 M * mire derjohn, yes, debian guest work really well 1138128876 M * mire marlow's fc2 works great too 1138128941 M * derjohn you you tried fc3 install with vserver foo build -m yum or so ? 1138128969 M * mire let me paste you the lines I typed that resulted with errors 1138128976 M * derjohn k 1138129006 M * mire vserver rh9 build -n rh9 -m yum --hostname=rh9.beast.kom --interface test0=eth0:192.168.0.29/24 -- -d rh9 1138129014 M * mire vserver fc4 build -n fc4 -m yum --hostname=fc4.beast.kom --interface test0=eth0:192.168.0.26/24 --initstyle sysv - -d fc4 1138129025 M * mire thats it 1138129160 M * derjohn hmmmm ... I do not know yum, but the command "yum -d rh9" looks odd to me. 1138129203 M * derjohn on the second line you pasted there is a "-" at the end which should read "--" ! 1138129236 M * derjohn (a -- takes the followimg options as options for the yum command) 1138129423 M * derjohn mire, maybe there is a thing called "rh9" ? *lol* I thought only fcX exist .. so: yum -d rh9 maybe to correct :) sry 1138129473 M * mire derjohn, no idea 1138129492 M * mire but I'd like for sameone to paste me a line that works on debian 1138129501 M * mire fedora/redhat 9 line 1138129515 M * derjohn but the "--" is missing on the second line you postet 1138129732 M * mire oh I see 1138129743 M * mire let me try it the right way 1138129743 M * FaUl Jan 24 19:42:27 (none) daemon.err nfsd[17550]: NFS request from 10.0.3.14 originated on insecure port, psychoanalysis suggested 1138129747 M * FaUl hrhr 1138129802 M * mire I got an error 1138129803 M * derjohn FaUl, results? 1138129805 M * mire mount: mount point /etc/rpm does not exist 1138129816 M * FaUl derjohn: ? 1138129836 M * derjohn FaUl, I mean results from the psychoanalysis :) 1138129842 M * FaUl no idea 1138129845 M * FaUl its only suggested :-) 1138129883 M * derjohn mire, apt-get install rpm (rpm - Red Hat package manager) ? 1138129894 M * derjohn mire, just guesses I never used that :) 1138129924 M * derjohn and maybe apt-get install yum :) 1138129935 M * derjohn FaUl, aus .DE ? 1138130002 M * mire root@zwer:- /tmp - dpkg -l|grep -E 'yum|rpm' 1138130003 M * mire ii kdeadmin-kfile-plugins 3.4.2-1 KDE file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files 1138130003 M * mire ii librpm4 4.4.1-4 RPM shared library 1138130003 M * mire ii python2.3-rpm 4.4.1-5 Python bindings for RPM 1138130003 M * mire ii rpm 4.4.1-4 Red Hat package manager 1138130004 M * mire ii yum 2.4.0-3 Advanced front-end for rpm 1138130020 M * mire I already have them 1138130038 M * derjohn mire, but no config file in /etc for rpm ? 1138130047 M * mnemoc mire: http://www.rafb.net/paste/ is your friend 1138130052 M * mire yes, no /etc/rpm 1138130062 M * mire mnemoc, thank you 1138130181 M * FaUl derjohn: /me? yess 1138130931 J * jgommers ~virtual@jgommers.vserver01.linit.nl 1138131079 M * daniel_hozac mire: just mkdir /etc/rpm then. 1138132037 M * mire daniel_hozac, it failed again 1138132062 M * mire http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/RXlvCL73.html 1138132317 M * mire I guess the script expects that I'm running some redhat distro 1138132320 M * mire but I run debian 1138132329 M * mire and wish to use fc4 as gues 1138132975 J * liquid3649_ ~Viper0482@p54975703.dip.t-dialin.net 1138133228 M * mire any ideas? 1138133394 M * mnemoc try with -debug 1138133398 M * mnemoc --debug 1138133412 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138133448 M * mnemoc i'm not a fedora or debian user, but it looks like your 'yum' is missconfigured 1138133477 M * mire yes, I don't have any repositories in /etc/yum.conf 1138133483 M * mire since I don't use yum on debian 1138133540 M * mnemoc add something there :) 1138133545 M * mire http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/98AVqx16.html 1138133607 M * mire ok, I put fedora repositories 1138133846 M * daniel_hozac mire: what util-vserver version is that? do you have anything in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4/yum.repos.d? 1138133890 M * daniel_hozac and /etc/yum.conf isn't used at all when building vservers. 1138133924 M * mire ok realized the problem 1138133960 M * mire $releasever $basearch etc. is not defined in debian 1138133964 M * mire so I hardcoded it 1138133987 M * mire 4for release and i386 for basearch 1138134011 M * mire I get the yum list now 1138134106 M * mire ok, still have the error 1138134126 M * mire http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/b 1138134130 M * mire http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/b1VNuI16.html 1138134209 M * mire daniel_hozac, ii util-vserver 0.30.209-2 tools for Virtual private servers and context switching 1138134340 M * mire daniel_hozac, I have 4 files 1138134377 M * mire but I guess they don't work since $variables aren't expanded 1138134384 M * mire since this is debian 1138134401 M * mire maybe the build scripts should hardcode those variables instead of using $something 1138134401 M * daniel_hozac $releasever shouldn't be in there. 1138134407 M * daniel_hozac and they do. 1138134413 M * mire just a sec. I'll paste it 1138134519 M * mire http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Kbk82V64.html 1138134565 M * mire I don't know why baseurl is commented out?? 1138134599 M * daniel_hozac because the default is to use the mirrorlists. 1138134625 M * mire I'm really confused about this 1138134785 M * daniel_hozac did you try to use vanilla util-vserver 0.30.210? 1138134803 M * mire no, I installed it using apt-get install util-vserver 1138134863 M * mire I guess I could get a different computer, install fedora, install vserver, make guest and copy that guest to debian box 1138134876 M * mire that should work I guess 1138134948 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net 1138135320 Q * Vudumen Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138135425 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-117.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1138135530 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu 1138136409 J * Fungus ~kuriloom@84-50-46-248-dsl.kvm.estpak.ee 1138136426 M * Fungus funguss 1138136430 J * shed| ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1138136471 Q * Fungus Quit: 1138136793 P * meandtheshell 1138136825 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138136830 Q * liquid3649_ Remote host closed the connection 1138136959 M * Roey there was a Fungus among us. 1138137026 M * SiD3WiNDR :] 1138137219 M * Roey http://zanyvgquotes.com/finalfantasy2/ff4spoony.png 1138137307 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.249 1138138207 Q * shed| Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1138139682 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1138139686 M * Bertl evening folks! 1138139695 M * daniel_hozac evening! 1138139768 M * Bertl I assume somebody spilled water and it was forgotten, so it grew :) 1138139903 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do you know by chance how I specify additional packages on a yum(my) install? 1138139917 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ist that possible or do the have to be isntalled afterwards? 1138139919 M * daniel_hozac after the fact or during? 1138139932 M * Bertl during, basically 'by default' 1138139947 M * Bertl e.g. I'd like to have sshd and a passwd for example 1138139948 M * daniel_hozac initial install should just require more files in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/*/pkgs 1138139964 M * daniel_hozac one package name per line. 1138139983 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1138139993 M * Bertl ah, excellent, the 01 02 03 in the fc4 case have any meaning? 1138140049 M * Bertl btw, is that documented somewhere or does it require the right genes? 1138140060 M * daniel_hozac i guess 01 and 02 make sure you get a "good" system, 03 the packages you want. 1138140122 M * daniel_hozac well, the flower page has its typical, extremely brief description. 1138140124 M * Bertl could you give a list of an fc4 installation (real machine) so that I do not have to guess the package names? 1138140147 M * Bertl had quite a hard time on guessing openssh-server already :) 1138140153 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1138140249 M * daniel_hozac http://daniel.hozac.com/tmp/fc4-rpms 1138140266 M * Bertl tx a lot! 1138140486 M * Falle what capabilities must i allow for the guest-os to be able to access klogctl(dmesg) ? 1138140520 M * daniel_hozac why do you want to do that? 1138140538 M * Bertl Falle: really depends on the kernel patch you use 1138140552 M * daniel_hozac 1.2.10 ;) 1138140553 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: because klogd is complaining :) 1138140985 M * Bertl Falle: still here? 1138141009 M * Bertl don't let us old 'muppets' scare you away .. haha! :) 1138141080 M * derjohn Bertl = Waldorf, Daniel = Stadler ? ? ? :) 1138141093 M * Falle sorry, i had to get something to eat :) 1138141165 M * Falle well, i was planning on not using the host server that much so i thought I'd access dmesg and such from inside my main vserver :) 1138141203 M * Falle and yes, I am running 1.2.10. Need the 2.4 kernel for some weird reason. :) 1138141203 M * Bertl derjohn: yes kermit! :) 1138141246 M * Bertl well, I'd advise against it. the rationale is simple: 1138141270 M * Bertl you have to radically lower the security of your guest to allow that (on 1.2.10) 1138141292 M * Bertl which will not buy you _any_ security compared to a klog running on the host 1138141311 M * Bertl nevertheless, you can decide to send the klog messages to the guest's syslogd for example 1138141373 M * Falle hmm, thats a good idea 1138141540 M * Falle dont know if any of you guys are working on the vserver project but is there any significant upgrades of the patch planned for the 2.4 series kernel? everyone says that I'm missing out on loads of security improvements and features. 1138141663 M * Falle For some reason the 2.6 kernel gives me strange IDE-bus errors so i cant use it. :/ 1138141736 M * michal` hey:) 1138141748 M * michal` Bertl: u're using folding in vim (or at all) 1138141750 M * michal` ? 1138141762 M * Bertl very seldom ... 1138141780 M * Bertl Falle: well, there is an updated version for 2.4 but basically 2.4 is dead 1138141780 M * michal` ic 1138141798 M * michal` (just that been playing with it so asked out of curiosity) 1138141803 M * Bertl Falle: so there will be now great breaking development there, just bug fixing and such ... 1138141806 M * derjohn Bertl, and vs for 2.4 is dead , too, or ? 1138141891 M * Bertl well, I don't think we will add much there either 1138141906 M * derjohn Falle, no change in fixing the ide problem? 1138141912 M * derjohn *chance 1138141944 M * Falle derjohn: dont even know where to start :) IDE is just supposed to work... 1138141964 M * Bertl if there really is hardware out there which does not work with 2.6, I'd suggest contacting the maintainers 1138141978 M * derjohn Falle, maybe 2.4 didnt enable DMA by default .. may hdparm it down :) what HW are you using? maybe serverworks? 1138141990 M * Bertl Falle: kernel folks are trying very hard to keep all kind of ancient drivers around 1138142033 M * Falle The hardware is only a few days old. but its nothing fancy. 1138142058 M * Bertl Falle: so what's the problem then? 1138142112 M * Falle I just got scared when those error messages were filling up my dmesg :P 1138142145 M * Bertl which error messages? 1138142168 M * Falle dont remember now.. something about timeouts. 1138142198 M * Bertl well, maybe they just point to a hardware issue which is silently ignored on 2.4? 1138142218 M * Bertl maybe it's a wrong configuration somewhere? 1138142260 M * derjohn Falle, at least you wont see them within the guest :) ... does hdparm /dev/hdx tell you if dma is on at the time? 1138142298 M * daniel_hozac you really want DMA though. 1138142309 M * Falle i installed windows on the server temporarily and ran a burn-in test for a few hours, works like a dream. So i just gave up the Debian x84_64 distro and whent banck to slackware, the one i'm used to 1138142339 M * derjohn Falle, OLD hardware on a "64" ? 1138142361 M * Falle derjohn: who said anything about old? :) 1138142374 M * Falle "The hardware is only a few days old. but its nothing fancy." 1138142441 M * Falle jesus crist, my spelling skills are way off today :P "... and whent banck to slackware" 1138142458 M * derjohn Falle, yes, I just re-read the lines .... my brain saved "nothing fancy" only ;) I would try fixing the IDE (SATA?) problem 1138142526 M * Falle derjohn: P-ATA. I'm donna try changing the DMA setting now. Se if that could be the problem 1138142576 M * Falle using_dma = 1 (on) 1138142582 M * Falle it was on by default 1138142617 M * derjohn on-board IDE? 1138142621 M * Falle yeah 1138142630 M * Falle no raid stuff either 1138142683 M * derjohn hm, hm ... which IDE chipset? kt800 chipset? or intel? 1138142690 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1138142701 M * Falle btw, if anyone is planning to buy a new server. I can recomend the Compucase 2U rack mount.. great layout and even better cooling. :) 1138142810 M * Falle http://www.compucase.de/englisch/produkte/ipc/2u/s207.php 1138142935 M * derjohn you are from .se and order in .de ? 1138143014 M * mnemoc nothing good at .se? 1138143026 M * Falle nope, swedish distributor that has compucase products. I think Compucase is german, however. 1138143189 M * Falle Is it hard to get the rebootmgr working? cant find much usefull info on setting it up. 1138143212 M * daniel_hozac Falle: reboot/poweroff/halt -f didn't work? 1138143227 M * Falle nope 1138143246 M * daniel_hozac why not? 1138143301 M * Falle good question. When i pressed enter after reboot -f it just gave me a prompt again after 2 sec 1138143306 J * vrwttnmtu ~eryktyktu@82-69-161-137.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1138143373 M * daniel_hozac as it should. 1138143410 M * daniel_hozac but your shell should get killed as part of the shutdown process of your guest. 1138143509 M * Falle it survives 1138143536 M * Falle so the guest is never restarted 1138143607 M * Falle but i found a temporary solution to that.. 1138143609 M * Falle alias reboot='echo "This is i vurtual server, you cant do that!"' 1138143611 M * Falle :P 1138143634 M * derjohn vultural server :) 1138143639 M * Falle oops 1138143663 M * Falle oh well.. im the only one usning it yet :P 1138143668 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1138144042 M * daniel_hozac Falle: do you have a /sbin/vshelper? 1138144050 M * daniel_hozac Falle: what util-vserver version are you using? 1138144070 M * Falle the one in the same page as the 1.2.10 patch 1138144106 M * daniel_hozac that tells me nothing :) 1138144141 M * Falle 0.30 :) 1138144142 M * daniel_hozac ah, ancient utils. 1138144146 M * daniel_hozac that explains it. 1138144163 M * daniel_hozac i guess you'll just have to use the rebootmgr then. 1138144166 M * Falle does the newer utils work with the old patch? 1138144197 M * daniel_hozac well, they should. 1138144227 M * daniel_hozac might want to use 0.30.209 to be safe, as Bertl had some issues with 0.30.210 on 1.2.10. 1138144272 M * Falle 0.30.210 is the latest one? 1138144296 M * daniel_hozac yep. 1138144354 M * Falle ok. I'll install the .209 then. While i do that you can explain what i gain with this :-) 1138144365 M * daniel_hozac reboot -f will work ;) 1138144379 M * daniel_hozac or, that's the idea, anyway. 1138144394 M * Falle well see in a bit :) 1138144401 M * Falle we'll 1138144401 M * daniel_hozac the alpha utils have vshelper, which is what the kernel invokes to restart the guest. 1138144465 M * Falle and .209 is classified as alpha? 1138144538 M * daniel_hozac well, yeah, but pretty much everyone not stuck on 2.4 are using them. 1138144608 M * daniel_hozac so it should have pretty much no bugs. 1138144621 M * daniel_hozac (well, there are obviously a few, but those are fixed in 0.30.210) 1138144720 M * Falle does upgrading to 0.30.209 mean that my /etc/vserver/host.conf are useless? 1138144732 M * daniel_hozac no, you can still use the legacy configuration. 1138144794 M * Falle ok, i have a neat little script to create vservers that rely on the legacy method. 1138144942 M * daniel_hozac well, i have to get up for class in about 4.5 hours, so i'm going to get some sleep now. good luck and good night! 1138145003 M * Falle i have to get to bed too.. 1138145009 M * Falle thanks for all your help 1138145058 M * Falle The project of figguring out how the vshelper works is for tomorrow :) 1138145697 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1138145711 M * Bertl welcome shedi!