1137283444 Q * undefined arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * Doener arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * mnemoc arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * sannes arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * waldi arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * monrad arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * SiD3WiNDR arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * meebey arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * wasser arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * Adrinael arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283444 Q * Psy0rz arion.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1137283513 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi 1137283536 J * wasser ~wasser@ip86.ipax.at 1137283544 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net 1137283544 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.111 1137283569 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1137284055 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk 1137284407 J * Doener doener@i5387D7DE.versanet.de 1137284540 J * Psy0rz ~psy0rz@lounge.datux.nl 1137285773 Q * mkhl Quit: 1137287985 Q * lchvdlog Quit: leaving 1137290068 M * Cru bbl 1137290077 Q * Cru Quit: use Unices; $live->free() || die; 1137290320 J * sannes ~ace@simula-084.simula.no 1137290413 M * Bertl welcome sannes! 1137290980 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net 1137291160 M * Bertl wb undefined! 1137292395 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving 1137293582 J * infowolfe jthm@209-112-219-178-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net 1137293582 P * infowolfe 1137300520 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de 1137300520 Q * Loki|muh Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137300580 M * Bertl okay, off for today ... have a good whatever everyone ... 1137300605 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1137300891 Q * Loki_muh Remote host closed the connection 1137301114 J * XjamesX ~james@S01060050bfd325fe.ok.shawcable.net 1137301206 Q * XjamesX Quit: 1137301426 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1137301956 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-254-180.netcologne.de 1137302419 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137303106 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 481 seconds 1137305123 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.DollarDNS.Net 1137307502 P * undefined 1137311723 J * Smutje ~Smutje@87.78.99.202 1137311832 Q * Smutje_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137313205 J * Frits ~Caty@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1137313566 J * dddd44 debian-tor@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1137313662 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de 1137313983 Q * dddd44 Quit: Leaving 1137314800 M * phreak`` Bertl_zZ: got something here :) http://pastebin.ca/36846 1137315403 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975CAF.dip.t-dialin.net 1137317480 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.78 1137317587 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137317587 N * menomc mnemoc 1137318101 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.249 1137318229 J * jsaw ~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de 1137319885 P * Frits 1137321313 J * Cracker Cracker@66-188-27-98.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com 1137321425 P * Cracker 1137321902 M * sizo moin 1137322119 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1137323610 J * Doener doener@i5387D7DE.versanet.de 1137324001 J * mnmr ~mnmr@217.116.235.96 1137324315 M * mnmr does anyone here have some advice on firewalling with vserver? .. basically, would it make sense (and is it even possible without NGNET?) to use a dedicated vserver for firewalling and route all traffic through that before dispatching it elsewhere? 1137324396 M * mnmr even more complicated: I have two internet connections and use policy based (source based) routing.. should I split this into two vserver firewalls or keep a configuration similar to my current one? 1137324405 M * bonbons mnmr: Firewall is all done on kernel level, so using a vserver guest for it makes no sense 1137324440 M * mnmr hum.. ok.. would that still be the case with ngnet (virtual networking)? 1137324497 M * bonbons mnmr: For ngnet netfilter might once get patched so a guest can produce rules for his virtual net device, but routing is on the host 1137324654 M * mnmr bonbons: would this be the same for xen? 1137324718 M * bonbons mnmr: No, as Xen has one kernel per host. 1137324747 M * mnmr bonbons: ah, yes.. that makes sense. thanks :) 1137324790 M * mnmr does anyone use a 2.6-kernel with grsecurity and vserver? anything else that one can apply to make the system more secure? 1137324816 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A0625A.dip.t-dialin.net 1137324821 M * bonbons mnmr: And for VServer/OpenVZ it's one kernel controlled from the host which offers namespaces for multiple guests 1137327615 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.35.186 1137327804 J * Wobin ~Wobin_77@110-123.242.81.adsl.skynet.be 1137327815 M * Wobin hello 1137327832 M * mnmr hi there 1137327843 M * Wobin can i ask a question concerning SuSE 1137327868 M * Wobin having some problems installing 1137327903 M * Wobin i get several errors while installing, i m installing it on hd 80GB, where i used run XP 1137327926 M * Wobin should i format it as FAT/NTFS --> NO! so, what sould i do? 1137327991 M * bonbons Wobin: Not sure how far you are, but for a linux system you should use a linux filesystem (ext3, reiserfs, ...) 1137328027 M * Wobin yeah, i know that... i deleted all existing partitions on that hd, but i got those errors while installing 1137328038 M * bonbons What errors did you get? 1137328086 M * Wobin mmmmm, if i remember correctly, some errors while installing X-Window, and one before, but didn'"t write it down. I thought it had something to do with my partitions? 1137328102 M * Wobin Because a month ago, it installed without any problem at all! 1137328175 M * bonbons The error would be very useful to guess the cause of you problem installing X-Window 1137328213 M * Wobin i know, but i didn't write it down. How would i go from here, if i check that hd in my explorer 'xp' i see two partitions 1137328236 M * Wobin 1x 1GB & 1x 75.46GB 1137328291 M * bonbons If you install linux o the 1GB, you probably got Disk full error 1137328306 M * Wobin yeah, but SuSE made those during install 1137328314 M * Wobin 1 swap 1137328319 M * Wobin and the other 1137328395 M * bonbons Try again, and write down the error... (I'm gone now) 1137328407 M * Wobin ok, thx for your help 1137328424 Q * Wobin Quit: (trying again) 1137329875 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1137330053 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net 1137330502 J * Johnsie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net 1137330503 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137330522 N * Johnsie Johnnie 1137330533 M * mnmr does anyone use a 2.6-kernel with grsecurity and vserver? anything else that one can apply to make the system more secure? 1137331911 Q * mnmr Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137335050 J * Johnsie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net 1137335051 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137335085 N * Johnsie Johnnie 1137335581 J * ungooryZz ~sudas@82-135-236-253.lameris.lt 1137335589 P * ungooryZz 1137336776 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net 1137337183 Q * Pazzo Quit: ... 1137338507 Q * wibble Remote host closed the connection 1137339002 J * wibble wibble@vortex.ukshells.co.uk 1137339506 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-40-172.dsl.telesp.net.br 1137339849 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1137339856 M * Bertl morning folks! 1137339876 M * meandtheshell Bertl: hi 1137340158 M * Bertl phreak``: didn't know that xfs is that buggy :) 1137340171 M * phreak`` Bertl: obviously it is ;) 1137340317 M * Bertl * If this failure happens the request to free this 1137340317 M * Bertl * space was invalid, it's (partly) already free. 1137340317 M * Bertl * Very bad. 1137340391 N * Greek0_ Greek0 1137340405 M * Bertl morning Greek0! LTNS! 1137340424 M * Greek0 LTNS? 1137340428 M * Greek0 moin :) 1137340432 M * Bertl Long Time No See :) 1137340438 M * Greek0 ah ;) 1137340569 M * Bertl phreak``: well, I found out (the hard way) that 2.6.14 has big issues with vlans over bonding devices ... 1137340605 M * bonbons Bertl: Is there a way to detect ngnet versus "old" network setup from inside the guests? 1137340632 J * monrad_ ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk 1137340645 M * Bertl hmm, we need to make it more clear what ngnet means here ... 1137340670 M * Bertl there is the legacy networking API 1137340683 M * Bertl which supports both, the old and the new style config 1137340692 M * Bertl (it is used by util-vserver for now) 1137340727 M * Bertl there is also a new-world API, which is more flexible, but does basically the same as the legacy API (only smarter) 1137340738 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 481 seconds 1137340746 M * phreak`` Bertl: what does "hard way" mean in your context ?! lost all your hard disks ?! or only an oops ? :) 1137340754 M * Bertl bonbons: (this is what you currently get when you disable LEGACYNET) 1137340755 M * bonbons A way to detect if the guest can setup network, or if it just has to accept what's already there 1137340780 M * Bertl phreak``: luckily it was 'just' a bunch of oops and lost network connectivity 1137340823 M * Bertl bonbons: ah, so you really talk about the upcoming ngnet, which will allow network administration (and use a virtual network) 1137340840 M * Bertl bonbons: sure, this can be detected inside a guest 1137340883 M * bonbons Bertl: Yes, I want to adapt the initscripts of initng in a way that can live with near future (also for developpers) 1137340908 M * bonbons what's the trick to detect it (in bash if possible)? 1137340925 M * Bertl ah, cool, well, the first idea I have is a hack, but it should work, just change some parameter of a network interface 1137340944 M * Bertl for example, take down (and up again) the lo device 1137340964 M * Bertl if that works, you have a virtual interface there 1137340999 Q * Johnnie Quit: G'bye! 1137341030 M * bonbons A passive operation would be better, e.g. presence of a file in /proc/ or value to read somewhere (changing lo when settingup ethX would be bad) 1137341074 M * Bertl probably ... well, depending on the paranoia of the administrator 1137341140 M * Bertl there is a file called /proc/self/ninfo 1137341154 M * Bertl which contains the IPs the network context is limited to 1137341231 M * Bertl on ngnet this file will not contain much, I guess 1137341289 M * bonbons Ok 1137341315 M * Bertl those files can be disabled by the admin, so a missing file will not give any clues 1137341433 M * Bertl phreak``: I had a look at the xfs issues, and to me they really look like a hardware issue, I would check the ram and/or I/O subsystem 1137341507 M * phreak`` Bertl: will do that in the next week (the harddisk is a bit old now, prob. 3-5 years) 1137341831 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-246-78.netcologne.de 1137341939 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137343810 P * undefined 1137343813 M * Hollow heya Bertl! 1137343850 M * Hollow i played with the pseudo terminals today.. and it seems like i'm getting somewhere: 1137343852 M * Hollow zeus vtd # ./vtd 1137343853 M * Hollow zeus vtd # tty 1137343853 M * Hollow /dev/pts/10 1137343853 M * Hollow zeus vtd # ./vtc 1137343853 M * Hollow sh-3.1# tty 1137343854 M * Hollow /dev/pts/11 1137343992 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: that's great! 1137344045 M * Hollow i still have to check termios and winsize settings, but rest looks fine already 1137344560 M * Bertl yeah, indeed, sounds great! 1137344664 M * Hollow will be in one of the next releases of vserver-utils i guess 1137344697 M * Bertl any PAX folks around today? 1137345081 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: how complete is vserver-utils? 1137345146 M * Hollow many things are still missing, especially with regard to the vserver command, but all the low-level tools (such as vcontext, vnamespace, etc) are working quite good already 1137345378 M * daniel_hozac cool. are you going for bash scripts or something else? 1137345416 M * Bertl Hollow: terrible question: do we have a chbind replacement yet? 1137345519 M * Hollow Bertl: yeah 1137345529 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: yup, C and bash 1137345625 M * Bertl Hollow: great, have you tried to replace the util-vserver version and have it run without legacy net yet? 1137345671 M * Hollow runs without legacy, but i doubt i will replace the util-vserver version with it 1137345714 M * Bertl hmm? 1137345784 M * Hollow well, 1) they are two tools, based on the logic of the other low-level tools in vserver-utils, 2) it is based on libvserver 1137345820 M * Hollow so, implementing it in util-vserver would mean to write it from scratch 1137345858 Q * alexx Quit: Bye 1137345868 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net 1137345883 M * Bertl hmm, what I meant with 'chbind replacement' was something which can 'replace' chbind in util-vserver :) 1137345892 M * Hollow hm, no then ;) 1137345925 M * Bertl okay, would it be possible to make a simple absh wrapper which does that? 1137345930 M * Bertl *bash 1137345975 M * Bertl I'd like to have some kind of 'migration plan' until your tools can do guest creation and such ... 1137346012 M * Hollow yeah, should be possible 1137346025 M * Hollow but you cannot install util-vserver and vserver-utils in paralell 1137346049 M * Bertl hmm .. hmm ... what's the problem there? 1137346060 M * Hollow file collision 1137346074 M * daniel_hozac different prefixes? 1137346099 M * Hollow but you could copy the two network tools to util-vserver and adapt the syscalls to libvserver from util-vserver and write a bsah wrapper 1137346116 M * Hollow .oO(bash seems not that easy to write ;) 1137346188 M * Bertl well, I'd volunteer for the bash wrapper ;) 1137346215 M * Hollow guess i could adapt the library calls then 1137346251 M * Hollow so.. who does adapt vserver.functions? *g* 1137346798 M * Bertl well, what changes do we need there? 1137347309 M * Hollow Bertl: hm, with dynids enabled probably none 1137347431 M * Bertl ah, right .. good point ... 1137347436 J * dothebart ~willi@xdsl-87-78-50-229.netcologne.de 1137347533 M * Hollow Bertl: but since it is a replacement we probably don't even add the nid option to chbind 1137347896 Q * tudenbart Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137348041 M * daniel_hozac hmm, don't the dynamic contexts depend on legacy? 1137348064 M * Bertl yeah, well, we are not sure about that yet :) 1137348192 M * Bertl but .. the question is, couldnt we 'just' implement the dynamic contexts by 'searching' for a context? 1137348218 M * Bertl aside from that, we could simply pass the xid to the chcontext (as nid)? 1137348532 M * daniel_hozac yeah, and/or check for the current process's xid and use that if none is given. 1137348584 M * Bertl excellent idea ... 1137348964 M * Bertl but unfortunately, chbind happens 'outside' (i.e. before) the chcontext :) 1137349172 M * daniel_hozac ah, heh. 1137349985 M * Hollow Bertl, daniel_hozac: probably create nx with dynid first, then get_task_nid and setup vx with xid = nid 1137350084 M * Bertl well, I'd suggest to add a NCONTEXT or NETCONTEXT (ncontext, netcontext) to the config, and if that is missing, then use the context for that 1137350107 M * Bertl I can play with that for 0.30.209 (should not be too hard) 1137350202 M * Hollow but how do you know the context before ctx_create in the dynid case? 1137350284 M * Bertl well, I prefer to ignore the dynamic xid case :) 1137350420 M * daniel_hozac if you're using dynamic xids, do you really care about having the nid == xid? 1137350455 M * Bertl no, but you care about _having_ an nid :) 1137350519 M * daniel_hozac right, but then just use a dynamic nid as well, or are there no facilities for creating those? 1137350574 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137350575 J * Doener doener@i5387E820.versanet.de 1137350603 M * Bertl I constantly advise against dynamic context ids, so those who do still use them probably have to go with legacy compatibility anyway ... 1137350646 M * Bertl but currently, ther is no mechanism to disable them and still have chbind working ... 1137351099 M * daniel_hozac right. 1137351285 M * daniel_hozac is a separate configuration entry really required? are there any cases where any one xid would have multiple nids, or the other way around maybe? 1137351361 Q * tanjix Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137351458 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: could be, but I think defaulting to the xid is a sane approach and would really simplify migration 1137351520 M * daniel_hozac using the new API lets you add IP addresses on the fly too, right? 1137351792 M * Bertl yes, but the usefullness is very limited ... and it requires to give up the single ip special case 1137352429 M * Hollow we could just add a check on configuration load if xid is set or die else ,and leave the rest of the dynid code as-is and don't care.. 1137353073 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net 1137353669 M * Bertl welcome undefined! 1137353845 M * harry #define undefined NULL 1137353870 M * Bertl hey harry! :) 1137353874 M * harry yow Bertl ! 1137353878 M * harry how are you 1137353887 M * Hollow Bertl: are you familar with the linux list implementation? 1137353902 M * daniel_hozac #undef undefined would be much more appropriate ;) 1137353918 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: well, he would be undefined then, no? :P 1137354132 M * harry daniel_hozac: no... he needs to know his position! 1137354147 M * harry oooeee... maybe we can cast him in to a voidptr! 1137354159 M * daniel_hozac NULL should be a void pointer. 1137354167 M * Bertl harry: fine, thanks! and you? 1137354167 M * harry yes, but not a cast! 1137354173 M * harry Bertl: very good : 1137354174 M * harry :) 1137354184 M * harry i've heard that there are some problems with grsec and 2.6.15 1137354189 M * Bertl NULL is not typed 1137354191 A * harry doesn't like 2.6.15 either btw :) 1137354207 M * harry it messes up my system mostly 1137354215 A * harry should look into it... if i ever find the time 1137354238 M * daniel_hozac NULL evaluates to ((void *)0) here. 1137354239 M * Bertl 2.6.15.1 should be out 1137354273 M * harry daniel_hozac: it should always be big enough to contain every possible pointer 1137354280 M * harry and that's what void* is 1137354300 M * harry it should be able to point to anything 1137354320 M * harry Bertl: in that case, i'll have to look at the bugfixes 1137354325 M * harry i hope there are many 1137354340 A * harry might look into it tomorrow 1137354364 M * harry anyway, as soon as grsec comes out for a new linux kernel, i'll be merging grsec and vserver agian 1137354367 M * harry again 1137354386 M * harry my server should come in this week... 1137354393 M * harry it will be a huge bitch! :) 1137354396 M * harry i'll love her ;) 1137354413 M * harry raid10 over 4 146gb 15k scsi disks 1137354421 A * harry wished he could afford on of his own 1137354526 M * Hollow Bertl: sorry for bothering again.. but do you know how one adds list data to a node with the linux list implementation? because the list_head struct contains only two pointers (prev and next) so i wonder where to put the data 1137354544 M * harry Hollow: i have some example code for that 1137354545 M * harry if you want 1137354551 M * Hollow sure :) 1137354577 M * harry http://harry.ulyssis.org/code/harry.c 1137354602 M * harry it's a module for a VoIP attack tool 1137354692 M * harry i hope this helps a little bit 1137354698 M * harry i know it was a bitch to use it the first time 1137354735 M * Bertl Hollow: sorry, yes, it's quite simple 1137354747 M * Bertl there is a node and a head structure 1137354751 M * Hollow harry: for which kernel version is this? 1137354760 M * Bertl Hollow: or just the node entry 1137354768 M * harry Hollow: this is no kernel code 1137354768 M * Bertl (depends on the list type) 1137354770 M * Hollow hm, i just see struct list_head in list.h 1137354775 M * Hollow yeah, don't want hlist 1137354780 M * harry this is for some program 1137354781 M * Hollow harry: ah 1137354785 M * Bertl and it works like this: 1137354788 M * harry salphira :) 1137354802 M * Bertl you define a structure, let's call it struct hollow for now :) 1137354805 M * harry sry... thought you meant that 1137354821 M * Bertl and you add an entry of the the type list_head/node there 1137354834 M * Bertl (consisting of two pointers, prev and enxt 1137354839 M * Hollow harry: no problem.. i know dlists, but the kernel implementation is a bit different to what i read till now 1137354839 M * Bertl *next) 1137354871 M * Hollow Bertl: ok.. 1137354872 M * Bertl the 'list' itself also has either the head or such a pair of pointers 1137354887 M * Hollow yup 1137354901 M * Bertl when you add data to the list, the pointers in the structure (hollow) are clinked into the existing chain 1137354930 M * Bertl the data can be retrieved by subtracting the offset of the list node in the data 1137354952 M * Bertl the list pointers point to the list element in the struct 1137354997 M * Hollow ok, guess i understood it, thanks a lot 1137355009 M * Bertl you're welcome ... 1137355023 M * Bertl btw, the hash or hlists reduce the overhead further 1137355048 M * Bertl (which is a notable gain for hashtables 1137355099 M * Hollow hm, yeah, but the comments in list.h say the hlist should only be used for very small lists..? 1137355183 M * Bertl well, the length is not important 1137355204 M * Bertl but you lose ome functionality, like adding at the end 1137355223 M * Bertl (well, within a reasonable amount of time) 1137355264 M * Hollow ic.. 1137355294 M * Hollow off for now, back later 1137355296 M * Bertl but OTOH it halves the amount of memory required for ahshes 1137355305 M * Bertl k, cya 1137355335 J * liquid3649_ ~Viper0482@p54976368.dip.t-dialin.net 1137355342 M * Bertl welcome liquid3649_! 1137355667 Q * mkhl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137355771 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137356513 Q * meandtheshell Ping timeout: 481 seconds 1137356758 M * bonbons Hollow: did you find something about the incorrect syscall with vserver-utils I have? If not, is there some debugging code to enable/special version to try out? 1137360812 N * Smutje_ Smutje 1137361627 M * Hollow bonbons: which arch are you on? 1137361633 M * Bertl x86 1137361642 M * Hollow :) 1137361666 M * bonbons x86 1137361695 M * bonbons Oh, Bertl was quick and remembered well :) 1137361708 M * Bertl :) 1137361738 M * Hollow hm, no idea tbh 1137361818 M * bonbons if you have something that might help finding out, tell me. Otherwise I will do some hunting once I have finished patching initng for vserver 1137361826 M * Hollow ok 1137361999 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-008.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1137362075 M * Bertl welcome Aiken! 1137362751 M * Hollow Bertl: another question regarding lists.. if i want to add a node to struct hollow, i have to alloc a new struct hollow, and call hlist_list_add with the hlist_node struct inside struct hollow, right? 1137362933 M * Bertl yep, you have to pass _both_ nodes 1137362936 M * Hollow yep 1137362939 M * Bertl (or the list head) 1137363014 Q * bonbons Quit: is late at night... 1137363125 M * Aiken hi 1137363150 M * Aiken Bertl I am really glad you mentioned netconsole to someone recently, looks like it will be very usefull 1137363180 M * Hollow ok, last question for today.. in hlist_add_before: n->next = next; next->pprev = &n->next; wouldn't that mean pprev in next points back to itself (just as a pointer-pointer)? 1137363350 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving 1137363613 M * Bertl Aiken: well, it depends, you can even get magic sysrq working over netconsole, but, the netconsole system is very fragile an requires quite some 'responsiveness' in the kernel 1137364339 M * Aiken as long as it can save me trying to take 1 photo of the monitor to get a copy of an oops I will be happy 1137364601 M * daniel_hozac what, no serial console? :) 1137364630 M * Aiken no 1137364775 M * Aiken it is a desktop alpha sitting at the other end of the house 1137365673 Q * liquid3649_ Quit: bin raus, 1137366225 M * harry desktop alpha? 1137366233 M * Bertl probably alpha pc 1137366244 A * harry has an ev56 standing here too 1137366289 M * harry could this be of any use here? 1137366336 M * Aiken alpha xl433 1137366344 M * Bertl harry: thanks, but atm, probably no, I have an alpha based machine available for testing ... 1137366346 M * Aiken it's an ev5 1137366403 M * harry Bertl: thought so 1137366408 M * Bertl cpu model : PCA56 1137366411 M * harry they were giving them away for free at work some time ago 1137366424 M * Bertl Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz 1137366436 M * harry i have a pws 500au 1137366441 M * harry personal workstation 1137366460 M * Bertl harry: but, if you like to, you can use it for linux-vserver and report any unusual things (at compile and runtime) to me ... 1137366483 M * Bertl (which will help to improve linux-vserver and the linux-kernel) 1137366483 M * harry Bertl: than i'll have to set it up at work probably 1137366494 M * harry i'll ask for that 1137366503 M * harry if vserver goes on my new toyserver... 1137366516 M * harry there will be a high possibility that i can do that 1137366595 M * harry imagine being able to get hardware for testing purposes 1137366606 M * harry i also have a quad cpu powerpc (ibm) with 1,25GB ram 1137366617 M * harry just rotting in the basement 1137366637 M * Bertl that would be quite interesting! 1137366654 M * harry maybe even a partition on a power5 server 1137366656 M * Bertl we have not SMP powerpc currently for testing 1137366683 M * Bertl I currently use my powerbook for testing, but that is 32bit and UP 1137366684 J * marl ~matt@84.92.193.226 1137366690 M * Bertl welcome marl! 1137366696 M * harry it's a little different :) 1137366702 M * harry its ibm's powerpc 1137366710 M * harry rs6000 etc.. 1137366726 M * harry but it's basicly the same cpu : 1137366727 M * harry :) 1137366767 M * harry anyway... allmost time for bed here 1137366773 M * marl hi, can anyone point me in the rite direction to get 'nameif'? im trying to install vserver-utils and my install hasnt got nameif, the only referances i can find to it being included in any other programs is busybox, but as far as i remeber busybox is a cutdown version of all the utils 1137366778 M * harry we'll see what the future brings us 1137366811 M * Bertl # rpm -qf `which nameif` 1137366811 M * Bertl net-tools-1.60-2mdk 1137366849 M * marl thanks Bertl , couldnt get to another linux box to check that :) 1137366871 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19 1137366945 M * Bertl welcome derjohn! 1137366984 M * derjohn nice to see ya here bertl :) 1137367005 M * Bertl derjohn: unusual sight, eh? :) 1137367044 M * derjohn Bertl, Begegung der Dritten^W Vierten Art: virtuell :) 1137367081 M * Bertl translation: encounter of the third^wfourth kind: virtual 1137367632 J * mnmr ~mnmr@217.116.235.96 1137367827 M * marl ok, trying to install util-vserver 0.30.209, and its looking for vconfig command, is this a new requirement since 0.30.208? cus my other vserver machine dosnt seem to have the command ether :( and the site for downloading vlan (as shows in the ./config error log, isnt working) 1137367895 Q * mnmr Read error: Connection reset by peer 1137367938 M * derjohn marl, you mean it wasnt a req before -208 (i.e. -207) ? 1137367970 M * Bertl marl: http://scry.wanfear.com/~greear/vlan.html 1137367986 M * derjohn not candelatech? 1137368009 M * derjohn and: what has vlan to do with vserver? 1137368020 M * Bertl it is used to configure vlan devices 1137368032 M * Bertl if you specify eth0.10 for example 1137368036 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1137368066 M * derjohn i would have neber guesses that, but that's apart from vserver ... ( I use VLAN heavily .... even with tulip as you may know :)) 1137368093 M * derjohn argh I never would have guessed that I wanted tp say 1137368130 M * derjohn it isnt used "intenally" in vserver for soem reason? 1137368144 M * Bertl no, not at all, just for configuration 1137368161 M * marl thanks Bertl :) 1137368227 M * Bertl marl: you're welcome! 1137368304 J * mnmr ~mnmr@217.116.235.96 1137368693 M * marl Bertl, that page sems only to deel with 2.4 kernels, does it work ok with 2.6? (2.6.14-3) 1137368749 M * derjohn marl, vlan? yes 1137368779 M * marl ok thanks, just checking before i did any damage :) 1137368783 M * derjohn marl, if you want to use vlan you have to load/compile module 8021q 1137368806 M * daniel_hozac it seems a bit silly for util-vserver to actually require these things. 1137368811 M * derjohn marl, but it sounded like you are only getting to to make util-v happy? 1137368829 M * marl yup purley for util-vserver 1137368833 M * daniel_hozac marl: touch /sbin/vconfig; chmod +x /sbin/vconfig would satisfy configure, i think. 1137368846 M * marl without hurting the install? 1137368849 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, ack + lol 1137368880 M * Bertl marl: if you find userspace tools which do inflict damage to the kernel, then you should always send a kernel bug report :) 1137368897 M * daniel_hozac if you don't intend on using VLANs, you won't touch the code it affects anyway. 1137368934 M * marl not so much damage to the kernel, just as this system has been built from the ground up, EVERY package has been compiled from source, its a LONG time to re-do the server if i total it :( 1137368935 M * derjohn interesting .. does util-vserver use vconfig for any reason? maybe for creating vlan-interfaces in some way? 1137368991 M * derjohn linuxfromscratch? 1137369023 M * marl ypu :) 1137369027 M * marl yup even# 1137369096 M * marl what does dietlibc give me that i should be warned about in the config if it cant find it? 1137369110 M * Bertl security 1137369125 M * Bertl well, and to some degree, functionality 1137369140 M * marl GREAT!!!!!! another program to find and install :( 1137369149 M * marl derjohn, u use lfs? 1137369153 M * Bertl http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ 1137369172 M * Bertl marl: that was easy, wasn't it? 1137369192 M * marl thanks Bertl , i hadnt even had a chance to open firefox to search :) its great being in a chanel where the users help each other :) 1137369204 M * derjohn marl, nope I just regard it good for learning :) I run some cabinet full of servers. I would be lost with lfs ... 1137369251 M * derjohn marl, Bertl, couldn't marl go with out dietlibc ? (-> glibc?) 1137369268 M * Bertl not without sacrificing security ... 1137369272 M * marl lol, i was looking for a way to learn and cut down the size of my host system as much as posible, and i kept hitting problems removing packages from redhat/debian 1137369303 M * Bertl well, yes, in theory he could, but building static applications with glibc is not that easy (and it leaves huge binaries) 1137369304 M * marl ill try and downlaod and install it, this is a trial run for a server install anyway 1137369323 M * derjohn marl, size? I run debian from a 256 MB flash (copied to RAM) ... but openbsd comes with a standard 50 MB install ;) 1137369331 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1137369336 M * Bertl welcome flock! 1137369382 M * marl derjohn, id love 2 use openbsd, i even downlaoded it a coupl eof times, but have NEVER managed to get my head around it :( 1137369473 M * derjohn marl, and linux-vserver doesnt run on it ;) to you are welcome with lfs! [The most strange part with *BSD is this disklabelstuff at install] 1137369518 M * marl i think it was the disklabel bit that got me pulling my hair out, and after that it was a DOWNhill struggle :( 1137369563 M * derjohn it like ... "think different" ;)