1136852108 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1136853116 P * undefined 
1136853308 J * mkhl ~mkhl@200-148-40-113.dsl.telesp.net.br
1136853638 M * Bertl welcome mkhl!
1136853736 M * mkhl (=
1136853794 M * bragon hi :)
1136854198 M * Bertl hey bragon!
1136854472 M * neofutur_ hi all
1136854534 M * Bertl hey neofutur_! LTNS!
1136855717 M * bragon :)
1136856041 Q * multiple Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136856566 J * Johnnie ~john@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1136856640 M * Bertl welcome Johnnie!
1136858814 Q * zobel Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136859184 J * zobel zobel@2001:7b8:385::2
1136859252 M * Bertl wb zobel!
1136860597 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net
1136860610 M * Bertl wb undefined!
1136860625 M * undefined hello Bertl
1136861595 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-57-70.netcologne.de
1136861718 M * Bertl welcome Smutje!
1136861726 Q * Smutje_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136868915 Q * marl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136870004 P * undefined 
1136873813 J * coocoon ~kvirc@p54A05946.dip.t-dialin.net
1136873933 M * coocoon hello questions to vserver-utils-1.0.1.tar
1136873945 M * Bertl hmm?
1136873978 M * coocoon good morning bertl
1136873997 M * coocoon yesterday i have read that hollow has added network support
1136874033 M * coocoon so could it be that all features of 30-209 hasn't been added till yet
1136874100 M * coocoon and also do I need libvserver-1.0.1.tar
1136874103 M * coocoon and for what
1136874152 M * Bertl definitely you need the lib hollow provides for the tools
1136874178 M * Bertl and I'm 100% sure not all features of 0.30.209 are there, because for example guest creation is not covered yet
1136874193 M * coocoon ok
1136874196 M * coocoon thanx
1136874212 M * coocoon what is with sthe 2.1.0 patches
1136874222 M * coocoon which of them are the stablest
1136874232 M * Bertl ad utils: but, IIRC, a guest startup and shutdown did work ...
1136874273 M * Bertl coocoon: all of the 2.1.x patches are development, 'stablest' is hard to tell there ...
1136874285 M * coocoon most stable
1136874288 M * coocoon in the docs
1136874303 M * coocoon i have read about the rc5 patch with fc4
1136874313 M * Bertl rc5 what?
1136874338 M * Bertl this here is the latest patch:
1136874339 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.15-vs2.1.0.3.diff
1136874369 M * coocoon ok i will use it with the kernel
1136874382 M * coocoon yesterday i have told to set up my system new#
1136874402 M * coocoon to achieve the vservers from outside is possible isn't it
1136874405 M * Bertl if you wait an hour or so, there will be a new one (with some fixes)
1136874418 M * coocoon ok I will do so
1136874451 M * Bertl achieve means 'reach'? like over network or so?
1136874475 M * coocoon yes over ssh
1136874527 M * Bertl works fine, if you a) restrict the sshd on the host, and b) the guest IP(s) is/are reachable over the network and sshd is running inside the guest
1136874567 M * coocoon hm if i set 192.168.0.110
1136874576 M * coocoon hiow can they be reachable
1136874597 M * Bertl what is your network? 192.168.0.0/24 ?
1136874599 M * coocoon if i ping the host and dns configured then i got my host ip
1136874605 M * coocoon maybe
1136874631 M * Bertl well, another host on 192.168.0.0/24, e.g. 192.168.0.42 will be able to reach the guest
1136874646 M * coocoon if i install a vserver i set for example 192.168.1.110/24
1136874681 M * coocoon then i will give subdomain vhost00.hostname.net
1136874699 M * coocoon inside the internal network
1136874730 M * coocoon if i ping vhost00.hostname.net my host ip will shown right?
1136874775 M * Bertl assumed that vhost00.hostname.net resolves to 192.168.1.110, then it will 'reach' the host/guest and ping will work, yes
1136874817 M * coocoon this is then a dedicated vserver
1136874822 M * coocoon isn't it
1136874893 M * Bertl well, dedicated server means that you use it for something ... and it is available to you ... so maybe you try and rephrase ...
1136875013 M * coocoon till yesterday alltimes i gave in to my ssh client  the subdomain and set the port of the sshd of my vserver I only can login to my host although i have restricted my host sshd
1136875027 M * coocoon and set the other port on the vserver sshd
1136875138 M * Bertl hmm, I somewhat doubt that, because:
1136875154 M * Bertl - how/why should the host's sshd assume a different port?
1136875178 M * Bertl - how/why would you escape the guest if you ssh to that port
1136875219 M * coocoon ok thats right
1136875235 M * coocoon maybe i have make the mistake to configure a firewall before all that works fine
1136875253 M * coocoon so now i try it wthout configuring a firewall before
1136875454 M * coocoon how can I get to know when u have made the latest patch
1136875497 M * Bertl you see the topic line?
1136875516 M * coocoon oh ok
1136875530 M * coocoon sorry one question do i have
1136875535 M * Bertl np
1136875589 M * coocoon u know this Howto impose disk limits in each vserver from http://deb.riseup.net/vserver/usage/
1136875651 M * Bertl looks realtively sane
1136875660 M * coocoon if i compare it with this how to http://linux-vserver.org/Disk+Limits
1136875673 M * Bertl yes?
1136875679 M * coocoon it looks more simple
1136875719 M * coocoon sorry if i think about it if i use the DiskLinit tool it works fine
1136875736 M * coocoon so my question is ist it better than using qutoa
1136875755 M * Bertl depends on what you want to achieve ...
1136875766 M * Bertl the disk limits apply to a 'context'
1136875776 M * coocoon why isn't it the same limiting the disk space
1136875782 M * Bertl the quota apply to users and groups (either inside or outside the guest)
1136875819 M * coocoon oh if someone has a vserver he can give disk space to other users
1136875830 M * coocoon if i am using tagxid he can't
1136875853 M * Bertl depends, currently per context quota is not implemented
1136875872 M * Bertl so with a shared partition, you cannot allow the guest to use user/group quota
1136875936 M * coocoon but what happens if a user wanted to use more than for example 2G disk space and i have set limit to 2G
1136875968 M * coocoon with tagxid 
1136875968 M * Bertl then he will be denied
1136875980 M * coocoon oh ok sounds good ;-)
1136875990 M * Bertl it will 'look' like the disk is full (inside the guest)
1136875996 M * coocoon thanx for all informations
1136875998 M * coocoon ok
1136876004 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1136876020 M * coocoon ok one question than i let u work
1136876039 M * coocoon the scripts options under /etc/vservers/vserver-name
1136876053 M * coocoon is there a special using
1136876074 M * coocoon or is it enough to place sh scripts there and they will bestarted if the guest starts
1136876108 M * Bertl the various 'helper' scripts like pre-start and so are called if they are there and executable
1136876150 M * coocoon hm if have a script setting nat
1136876160 M * coocoon how must i call them that they will be started
1136876202 M * Bertl you want the script to be executed on guest startup, I presume?
1136876211 M * coocoon yes
1136876274 M * Bertl just link it to  /etc/vservers/<vserver-name>/scripts/pre-start
1136876298 M * Bertl or, if you have more than one script, make a directory
1136876309 M * Bertl called pre-start.d and link the scripts there
1136876310 M * coocoon oh aha i must put the scripts folder pre-start
1136876324 M * coocoon oh ok I have understand
1136876336 M * coocoon thank u very much
1136876364 M * Bertl the pleasure is mine! have fun!
1136876494 M * coocoon thanx
1136877674 J * mnmr ~mnmr@217.116.235.96
1136877810 M * Bertl welcome mnmr!
1136877821 M * mnmr thanks! :)
1136877926 M * mnmr i'm trying to make the NGNET patch work (looks good so far - got kernel and everything set up).. but I'm still getting this error:
1136877926 M * mnmr harmony apps # vserver sunrise start
1136877926 M * mnmr chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented
1136877929 M * mnmr any ideas? :)
1136877958 M * mnmr I think its related to the kernel option (legacy stuff) but the howto said not to mark that option.. 
1136877962 M * FaUl mnmr: set_ipv4root is not ngnet
1136877968 M * FaUl yes, exactly
1136877969 M * Bertl well, seems like the chbind uses the legacy interface :)
1136878005 M * FaUl you may replace chbind with a small perlscript that simply does nothing but calling everything after -- :-)
1136878025 M * mnmr ok :)  I'll update the kernel and give it a try :) .. wait, that sounds niftyer :)
1136878053 M * FaUl mnmr: but i guess ngnet is not what you want because it's hardly unfinished right now
1136878054 M * mnmr where would I do that? ;)
1136878096 M * mnmr hehehe.. so I would almost guess from the docs (almost not there).. but it sounds sooo nice with lo and en0 inside vservers.. I want that :D
1136878149 M * mnmr I can revert in no time if you think that's recommended.. 
1136878196 M * Bertl mnmr: it's a proof of concept, nothing usable right now
1136878239 M * mnmr hum, ok.. doesn't sound like something I'd want my prod server to use just yet ;) .. I'll go back to the default. need to recompile to enable the legacy stuff anyway.
1136878244 M * mnmr thanks!
1136878251 Q * bragon Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136878263 M * Bertl mnmr: you're welcome!
1136878314 M * mnmr where would I apply the chbind -> perl script modification you mentioned? should I still enable the legacy option in the kernel?
1136878322 T * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.01, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0, exp 2.1.0.4, 2.0.1.2 | util-vserver-0.30.209 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
1136878334 M * Bertl coocoon: *bing*
1136878364 M * Bertl mnmr: no, the legacy stuff would clash with the ngnet PoC
1136878411 M * mnmr but if I disable the ngnet stuff again too? you said not to use that so I'm working on reverting that right now :)
1136878451 M * Bertl well, without the NGNET, you should enabled LEGACYNET, and the chbind will work as expected
1136878460 M * mnmr okie dokie!
1136878514 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. back later ... have fun!
1136878521 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1136878528 M * mnmr :)
1136878723 Q * NikDaPhreak Quit: Hybernating my brain....
1136879825 J * marl ~matt@albacom.plus.com
1136880016 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136880547 J * NikDaPhreak ~NikDaPhre@217.75.141.95
1136880558 M * NikDaPhreak hi all
1136880573 M * mnmr hi there :)
1136880639 M * Hollow morning NikDaPhreak 
1136880661 M * NikDaPhreak Hollow: morning
1136880841 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1136880979 M * mnmr I get the "chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Invalid argument" error on starting a guest.. do I need to get newer utils or enable the dynamic contexts in the kernel?
1136881082 M * Hollow mnmr: do you have enabled dynamic context ids?
1136881089 M * Hollow ah
1136881091 M * mnmr nope.. :)
1136881094 M * Hollow i should read what you say before
1136881098 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
1136881107 M * mnmr that always helps ;)
1136881110 M * Hollow yeah, util-vserver needs this
1136881114 M * mnmr ok!
1136881158 M * mnmr the kernel options displayed in various howtos and on the wiki are incorrect then.. want me to fix that/add a note?
1136881178 M * Hollow well, they're probably all for the stable releases
1136881189 M * Hollow the dynamic disabler is a dev feature
1136881204 M * mnmr btw, I'm using 2.6.15 and 2.1.0.3 if that makes any difference (on gentoo)
1136881213 M * Hollow yeah, that's devel ;)
1136881231 M * Hollow my utils work without dynamic ids, but they're even more development ;)
1136881244 M * mnmr but they sort of work? :)
1136881278 M * Hollow yeah, the basic functions do work quite good
1136881296 M * mnmr what version would they be? I have 0.30.209-r1 right now.
1136881300 M * Hollow but there is currently no support for unification, external package management, or automatic guest building
1136881327 M * Hollow (nor is it documented)
1136881336 M * Hollow http://dev.croup.de/proj/vserver-utils
1136881336 M * mnmr ouch.. hum.. well, I guess I just enable the kernel option.. if it doesnt do any harm, no problem :)
1136881350 M * Hollow yeah ;)
1136881354 M * Hollow i'd recommend that too
1136881364 M * mnmr ah.. think I grabbed 1.0.1 of those yesterday
1136881405 M * mnmr would you recommend using vserver-utils over util-vserver when possible, or just stick with u-v for now?
1136881429 M * Hollow for now stick with util-vserver, it's buggy as well, but the bugs are known :P
1136881465 M * mnmr sheesh :) .. what am I getting my prod server into here ;)
1136881466 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81
1136881505 M * Hollow mnmr: don't worry, it's working quite good here, on my prod box
1136881513 M * Hollow with util-vserver
1136881516 M * mnmr sounds good :)
1136881538 M * NikDaPhreak Hollow: apropos unification - is it that hard to use vhashify from the util-vserver package with your tools? ;-)
1136881546 M * Hollow but it's pretty difficult to fix things in util-vserver because everything is wrapped in some wrappers which are wrapped by wrappers
1136881580 M * Hollow NikDaPhreak: *shrug* i never used unification ;)
1136881619 M * NikDaPhreak Hollow: well... depends on your needs.. I have a bunch of vservers from the same type on the same host....
1136881642 M * mnmr different topic.. network config; I need an alias on the host if for the addrs I want to use inside the guests, right?
1136881655 M * NikDaPhreak Hollow: saves a lot of space
1136881693 M * Hollow mnmr: yes, you can configure the host with any ip address you have and configure one per guest
1136881702 M * Hollow but inside the guest you have no networking to configure or so
1136881755 M * Hollow NikDaPhreak: btw.. 2.1.0.4 already installed? for the network testing..? ;)
1136881809 M * mnmr ok.. any way to get the lo-interface without the ngnet stuff? would make a lot of apps happy (tomcat et.al.) though it may be a non-issue (haven't tested it so far).. hah.. .04 already.. I'm no longer bleeding edge :)
1136881814 M * _are_ Hollow: where can I get your version of util-vserver and is there a debian package already by chance?
1136881831 M * Hollow mnmr: guess not.. (lo)
1136881856 M * NikDaPhreak Hollow: no, had and still have terrible toothache... will try to fix this in an hour and maybe tonight will have a bit more time for vservers
1136881865 M * mnmr too bad :) .. I'll be holding my breath for a working ngnet impl ;) .. thanks!
1136881871 M * Hollow _are_: http://dev.croup.de/proj/vserver-utils and no debian package yet, but if you're familar with the debianization of source trees i accept patches of course ;)
1136881894 M * Hollow mnmr: you're welcome! but it should work without lo too
1136881923 M * mnmr I guess I'll find out when I get there :)
1136881942 M * _are_ thanks
1136881946 M * Hollow it's just a metter of configuration mostly
1136881984 M * Hollow ok, brb with 2.1.0.4 ;)
1136881990 Q * Hollow Quit: SIGTERM
1136882198 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1136882817 M * schellh hi again
1136882987 M * schellh i guess i have a little config problem now: my vserver can ping, ifconfig tells he has the ip, but no servers will start, eg.: sshd
1136883003 M * schellh debug1: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0.
1136883003 M * schellh Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
1136883003 M * schellh Cannot bind any address.
1136883015 M * schellh netstat -an does not show any ip adress
1136883025 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1136883049 M * mnmr you need to add a ListenAddress directive to sshd_config i the host.
1136883061 M * schellh ok ill try
1136883067 M * mnmr otherwise it'll bind to all addrs and then port 22 will be in use inside the guest.
1136883113 M * schellh well i am inside the guest and this was not the solution
1136883123 M * schellh i believe my guest doesnt know of his IP fully
1136883140 M * mnmr you must edit it in the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config (not the guest)..
1136883195 M * schellh oh *dumb
1136883206 M * schellh sorry
1136883211 M * schellh *shame over me
1136883214 M * mnmr lol
1136883217 M * schellh its working 
1136883226 M * schellh no really i should have known
1136883344 M * schellh my private vserver server had a zero uptime last week, was running for 497 days with 2.4.18 kernel lol
1136883360 M * schellh maybe it was too long ago *fg
1136883381 M * mnmr wow :)
1136883400 M * mnmr my vserver has an uptime of.. 22 mins ;)
1136883784 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
1136883794 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak: please could u tell me which options i shuld set in the kernel for having a good networking environment, i mean specially "Sirtual Server Configuration"
1136883807 M * coocoon Virtual
1136883829 M * NikDaPhreak coocoon: define "good networking environment"
1136883896 A * NikDaPhreak gtg to see a dentist. back in an hour or two... if he survives ;-)
1136883898 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak: not having senseless stuff that I can connect to the vservers from outside nat works 
1136883940 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak: do i need vlan options
1136883947 M * NikDaPhreak coocoon: if the vservers have IPs, which are accessible from the network - any standard setup would work fine
1136883988 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak:  ok so I do not activate some option in the kernel at "Virtual Server Configuration"
1136884021 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak: only "IP virtual server support"
1136884024 M * NikDaPhreak coocoon: IIRC no - you do not need any of these for Linux-VServer
1136884026 M * coocoon right
1136884027 M * prae NikDaPhreak: :)
1136884053 M * NikDaPhreak prae: ;-)
1136884054 M * coocoon NikDaPhreak: sorry but what IIRC mean
1136884060 M * phreak`` prae: whats up ?! :P
1136884065 M * mnmr if I recall correctly 
1136884065 M * NikDaPhreak If I Remember Correctly
1136884070 M * prae hola !
1136884075 M * prae two DaPhreak ?!
1136884079 M * NikDaPhreak oops.. Recall ;-)
1136884083 M * coocoon ok thanx
1136884084 A * prae feaaaar
1136884090 M * mnmr either works :)
1136884096 A * prae take the shootgun
1136884103 M * prae *raaaabbiiit !!*
1136884104 M * NikDaPhreak Phreakin Is Phin you know ;-)
1136884104 M * prae =)
1136884123 M * NikDaPhreak oops.. Phun I mean...
1136884137 A * NikDaPhreak is gone... afk
1136884138 M * mnmr anyone else here on amd64 been hit by this: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4851 
1136884183 M * mnmr strange thing, it also happens on my non-smp athlon64.. :( .. (anyway, not vserver related  so I wont mention it again ;) )
1136884765 M * Hollow NikDaPhreak: http://phpfi.com/95496
1136884846 M * phreak`` Hollow: whats with that ?! you finally introduced NETWORKING to the vserver-utils ?! :) great :P
1136884888 M * Hollow yup ;)
1136884903 M * harry Hollow for president!
1136884946 M * Hollow and finally networking with legacy disabled :P
1136885100 M * mnmr so is that the recommended setup if using 2.1.0.4? :)
1136885182 M * phreak`` mnmr: not yet ;)
1136885214 M * mnmr ok :)
1136885973 M * mnmr harmony ~ # uname -a 
1136885973 M * mnmr Linux harmony 2.6.15-vs2.1.0.4 #4 Tue Jan 10 11:32:54 CET 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
1136885973 M * mnmr h
1136885973 M * mnmr is there a  changelog for 2.1.0.4? :)
1136886111 M * mnmr anyone here using LDAP to unify logins across vserver guests? should I install openldap in the root or in a guest? if in a guest, should services such as samba run in the same guest? 
1136886183 M * _are_ mnmr: I use it and installed it in a vserver 'ldap'
1136886234 M * mnmr ok.. do you have samba in the same vserver? if not, did you have to install openldap in the samba guest also in order to resolve dependencies and such?
1136886237 M * _are_ but this has to do with my setup, I use vserver as sort of a secure chroot jail for running different services, not for e.g. hosting 1000 web hosts on one machine
1136886253 M * mnmr that's also what I am planning :)
1136886256 M * _are_ samba is a different vserver, you need ofc the ldap libraries
1136886283 M * mnmr what distro are you using?
1136886286 M * _are_ and if you are new to smaba and ldap: try using smbldap tools from the start, savs you much hassle :->
1136886291 M * _are_ debian sarge here
1136886324 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-205.lhi.is
1136886334 M * mnmr ok (i'm on gentoo).. will use those (did find a decent samba/ldap faq, but it didn't exactly cover vserver also :) ).. 
1136886375 J * shed| ~siggi@tolvudeild-205.lhi.is
1136886380 M * mnmr are: so you installed openldap also int he guest where you have samba (but obviously dont run it there)?
1136886448 M * _are_ no, just the libraries samba needs to access ldap
1136886468 M * mnmr they are available as a separate package?
1136886489 M * _are_ yes, think so, will go and check
1136886538 M * _are_ ii  libldap2       2.1.30-8       OpenLDAP libraries
1136886546 M * mnmr nifty.. thanks!
1136886561 M * _are_ ii  libnss-ldap    238-1          NSS module for using LDAP as a naming servic
1136886561 M * _are_ ii  libpam-ldap    178-1sarge1    Pluggable Authentication Module allowing LDA
1136886561 M * _are_ ii  smbldap-tools  0.8.7-4        Scripts to manage Unix and Samba accounts st
1136886577 M * _are_ these are enough 'ldap' packages
1136886647 M * mnmr hum.. doesn't seem to exist on gentoo.. I'll just get the full thing and not start it in the guest.
1136886702 M * _are_ libnss-ldap you need on every vserver that gets uids from ldap, libpam-ldap you need everywhere where users should log in using pam and ldap accounts, libldap2 is a dependency anyway. smbldap-tools you need to manage the ...
1136886702 M * _are_ useraccounts in a way samba likes them, obviously you only need it on the host where you manage the users. here i have them on the main samba server
1136886791 M * mnmr good info - thanks!
1136886911 Q * shed| Quit: Leaving
1136887347 Q * bbd_ Quit: leaving
1136887655 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136887707 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1136887738 P * coocoon So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!
1136887784 J * coocoon ~coocoon@p54A05946.dip.t-dialin.net
1136887986 J * bloowitt ~bloowitt@66.Red-81-36-235.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
1136887998 M * bloowitt hello
1136888020 M * mnmr hi there
1136888056 M * bloowitt mm I'm having trouble with sshd on a vserver (this being my first time with vs)
1136888066 M * bloowitt it is listening on the correct address
1136888094 M * bloowitt and I can ssh to it, but once authenticated it says stdin: "is not a tty
1136888094 M * bloowitt "
1136888108 M * bloowitt and just stays that way
1136888145 M * bloowitt host is ubuntu breezy with packaged prepatched kernel from a repository found on the wiki, guest is ubuntu breezy debootstrapped myself
1136888150 Q * cdrx Quit: Leaving
1136888160 M * bloowitt my guess is I may be missing a package in the guest, but I don't really know
1136888162 M * bloowitt any hint?
1136888182 M * mnmr uhuh.. i only just installed vserver yesterday, so am not exactly an expert :) .. I'll have a go here and see if it works for me (though I'm on gentoo)
1136888214 M * bloowitt thx anyway :), psychological support is always appreciated :P
1136888261 M * mnmr lol :) .. it'll be an hour or so - I just need to fiddle a bit with my template before I can spawn another guest.
1136888444 M * coocoon bloowitt: maybe here is the answer do not know it exactly but have a look http://linux-vserver.org/ttyHowto
1136888461 M * bloowitt thx cocoon
1136888548 M * yang2 Is it possible to run anything different than linux on vserver?
1136888559 M * mnmr afaik no
1136888570 M * bloowitt I would say no
1136888575 M * mnmr yang2: you can try xen for that
1136889264 M * bloowitt mmm ok, so I tried entering the vserver and running login by hand, then logged in with another user... and it gives same error as ssh
1136889275 M * bloowitt Unable to change tty /dev/pts/1: Operation not permitted
1136889323 M * coocoon have u stopperd the vserver
1136889335 M * tudenbart SIG_COFFEE!
1136889574 M * bloowitt coocoon, nop
1136889699 M * coocoon bloowitt: u have no permission to do taht?
1136889712 M * bloowitt yes, gonna try it anyway
1136889728 M * bloowitt but that howto... I guess that's not what I was looking for
1136889733 M * coocoon ok
1136889748 M * bloowitt mmm so I'm not the smartest one in town... 
1136889751 M * coocoon but if u r root
1136889758 M * coocoon u must have permissiomn
1136889760 M * bloowitt root@vservertest : # vserver vservertest stop
1136889766 M * bloowitt xD
1136889795 M * coocoon u r in the vserver
1136889799 M * coocoon aren't u
1136889841 M * bloowitt I had it open 
1136889844 M * bloowitt so.. restarted
1136889873 M * bloowitt same trouble with the "is not a tty" thingie
1136889897 M * bloowitt mmm gonna punch it in the nose or something, back in a few minutes
1136889925 M * coocoon u know the how to http://linux-vserver.org/UbuntuVserverHowTo
1136889972 M * bloowitt I followed this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VServer
1136890013 M * bloowitt didn't know that one, thx a lot! :)
1136890162 M * coocoon u r welcome good luck
1136890171 M * coocoon or have fun
1136890172 M * coocoon hihi
1136890310 Q * bloowitt Quit: Reboot
1136891745 J * brc bruce@200.141.233.52
1136891766 J * lilalinux ~plasma@h1-gw.of.net-lab.net
1136891777 M * brc good morning
1136891790 M * mnmr hi :)
1136891823 M * brc How would you compare linux-vserver to xen 3 regarding performance ?
1136891836 M * mnmr any gentoo users here? what do you use in the guest fstab for sharing the portage tree and installing from binaries?
1136891861 M * mnmr brc: I'd guess that xen is slightly slower, but not significantly so.
1136891908 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-32-67.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1136892371 J * dothebart ~willi@xdsl-81-173-225-158.netcologne.de
1136892376 M * brc Well. so how would you compare these 2 tecnologies? Would it be worth using linux-vserver? I use it, but xen seems to have lot of advantages
1136892449 M * mnmr depends on your needs; if you'd like to run other oses then xen is probably better.. I dont think it can quite run windows yet, though newer processors (tbr in 2006) supposedly will allow that
1136892480 M * brc I just want to run linux atm. the main advantages for me would be quota / full networking support
1136892485 J * pflanze ~chris@84-73-55-112.dclient.hispeed.ch
1136892520 M * mnmr vserver has quota as well.. network virtualization is in the works, but so far only proof of concept.. 
1136892552 M * brc quota does not work if all your server are on the same partition (kernel 2.6)
1136892675 M * mnmr ah.. well, sounds like you might want to try xen ;) 
1136892706 M * pflanze brc: does that mean that the file tagging patch is not available for 2.6?
1136892748 M * pflanze I've never tried them, but there were patches for 2.4.
1136892800 Q * tudenbart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136892846 M * brc the last time i checked they weren't.
1136892859 M * brc (2 months ago)
1136892889 M * brc I choose linux-vserver over xen due to performance. I though that i would be able to run more linux-vserver guests than xen would allow me
1136892906 M * brc What do you think abou that? :)
1136892910 M * _are_ definitly
1136892957 M * brc how many % more ? the point is, are linux-vserver limitations worth when you consider the number of guests and performance?
1136893015 Q * mhelsley Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136893018 M * mnmr almost certainly true, but mostly from a resource perspective (i.e. memory and such).. I doubt that xen will run much slower, as the code is native (no emu). but there will be less sharing of resources, and so increased mem usage (among other things)
1136893047 M * mnmr for exact numbers you'd have to do some benchmarks ;)
1136893059 M * brc i will. 
1136893088 M * mnmr post them somewhere when you do.. I'm sure they'll interest a lot of people.
1136893098 M * brc atm i dont allow my guests to SWAP. even if i want, linux-vserver wouldn~t allow it when we have memory limits. do you know if that would be possible, and if that would decreace perofmance ? (swap -> io -> slow)
1136893113 M * brc decrease
1136893147 M * mnmr sorry, that's beyond my knowledge of the two systems.. (I'm rather new to this myself)
1136893314 M * _are_ brc: I estimate performance loss for having linux-vserver at 0.5% systemwide
1136893320 M * brc my problem is time. as soon as i get time i will do some benchmarks.
1136893379 M * _are_ and denying swapping is a bad idea on most linux systems, they don't perform well if they assume the end of memory is there and they can't swap out unused stuff. And there is always unused stuff
1136893410 M * brc i think that in our cause there is not a solution for that in linux-vserver when you use memory limits
1136893477 M * pflanze (brc: have you checked whether 2.6 maybe supports file xid tagging and quotas without any patch?)
1136893483 M * _are_ well, I have no idea what you do with your vservers. I run different services in vservers and if RAM becomes a serious issue, i put in more ram. (if unification fails to solve the problem)
1136893484 M * mnmr brc: so what you're saying is that if you cap memory for a guest, and it needs more ram, it will start swapping.. and that there is no way to deny access to the swap volume.. did I get that right?
1136893498 M * daniel_hozac pflanze: tagxid and disk limits are supported natively, yes.
1136893508 M * pflanze daniel_hozac: tell that brc
1136893520 M * daniel_hozac pflanze: disk limits != per context quota.
1136893539 M * pflanze daniel_hozac: I know. Tell that brc, he was the one who thought 2.6 wouldn't support it.
1136893555 M * daniel_hozac but... 2.6 doesn't support it.
1136893556 M * pflanze daniel_hozac: but thanks anyway :)
1136893581 M * pflanze hm
1136893588 M * daniel_hozac there hasn't been enough demand for a per context quota feature yet.
1136893595 M * pflanze ah you mean, tag xid is supported but quota cannot make use of it.
1136893599 M * pflanze k
1136893606 M * pflanze I see
1136893820 M * brc pflanze: it supports per vserver quota, which means that each vserver will have its own disk limit. i am talking about user quotas :)
1136893849 M * brc mnmr: no, if i limit memory for a guest, it wont ever swap.
1136893881 M * mnmr brc: ok.. isn't that what you want then?
1136893912 M * brc mnemoc: i dont have a choice :)
1136893916 M * brc oops
1136893917 M * brc mnmr
1136893928 M * mnmr anyone here know how to make mounts defined in guests /etc/fstab get mounted on start of the guest? (I'm having trouble getting an outside dir mounted.. /usr/portage from the host system)
1136893945 M * daniel_hozac mnmr: use /etc/vservers/<name>/fstab
1136893957 M * mnmr brc: ok :)
1136893993 M * mnmr d_h: I'm doing that :)  (it has one line: "/usr/portage        /usr/portage    none        bind,ro     0 0")
1136894066 M * daniel_hozac mnmr: so what's the problem?
1136894152 M * mnmr d_h: it doesn't get mounted.. I think it's because I need a bcapabilities file though.. investigating.. 
1136894223 M * daniel_hozac no, you don't need any capabilities for fstab to be working.
1136894242 M * daniel_hozac how do you tell it's not mounted?
1136894256 M * daniel_hozac what utils are you using?
1136894267 M * mnmr the contents differ from the hosts folder contents :)
1136894312 M * mnmr I'm not using any utils.. I tried "mount -a" but simply get "mount: permission denied" when doing that.. 
1136894379 M * daniel_hozac ... you're not using util-vserver?
1136894396 M * daniel_hozac you would not be able to mount it from the guest.
1136894398 M * mnmr sure (but not for mounting)..
1136894404 M * daniel_hozac you should.
1136894407 M * mnmr oh.. ok :)
1136894412 M * mnmr thanks!
1136894417 M * daniel_hozac that's what the fstab file in the guest's configuration directory is for.
1136894443 M * mnmr ah.. you have a command handy that I could use as a template?
1136894569 M * mnmr or maybe just the name of the tool to use from util-vserver?
1136894762 M * daniel_hozac there is no specific tool.
1136894787 M * daniel_hozac as long as you have it in /etc/vservers/<name>/fstab, the utils will mount it when the vserver starts.
1136894828 M * _are_ mnmr: 'doesn't get mounted' as in 'doesn't shows up in "mount" or "df"' or as in 'is really not there'? if the first: your /etc/mtab inside the vserver conatins wrong data, kill it and replace it with a link to /proc/mounts
1136894842 M * daniel_hozac or, well, i suppose secure-mount would be the tool.
1136894871 M * mnmr the folder exists so it's there, but the contents are not that of the hosts /usr/portage (so the dir does not get used as a mount point)
1136894881 M * mnmr checking..
1136895028 M * mnmr should I link to the hosts /proc/mount or the guests? (i.e. "ln -s /proc/mount mtab" vs "ln -s ../proc/mount mtab")
1136895055 J * id23 ~id@p54A0498F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1136895066 M * id23 alhoa #vserver
1136895152 M * daniel_hozac /proc/mounts
1136895174 M * daniel_hozac .../proc/mounts is not an existing path, as far as the vserver is concerned.
1136895270 M * mnmr I don't have a tool called secure-mount.. neither of the two symlinks works for getting the dir mounted :/
1136895328 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.60
1136895435 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136895435 N * menomc mnemoc
1136895460 M * daniel_hozac the symlinks wouldn't get it mounted.
1136895464 M * daniel_hozac restarting the vserver would.
1136895478 M * daniel_hozac after adding the proper line in the correct fstab.
1136895501 M * mnmr I realised that much, but no go.. hmm.. but I can try again just to be sure.
1136895653 M * mnmr the link needs to go to /proc/mounts, right? (rather than just /proc/mount)
1136895663 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1136895693 M * mnmr I get a bunch of errors on start of the vserver (so the secure mount thingy does run).. 
1136895700 M * mnmr but the dir doesnt get mounted.. 
1136895709 M * mnmr perhaps my fstab is now not correct..
1136895729 M * daniel_hozac errors being?
1136895762 M * mnmr harmony conf.d # vserver lucy start 
1136895762 M * mnmr secure-mount: write(): Invalid argument 
1136895762 M * mnmr Failed to update mtab-file 
1136895762 M * mnmr secure-mount: write(): Invalid argument 
1136895762 M * mnmr Failed to update mtab-file
1136895764 M * mnmr secure-mount: write(): Invalid argument
1136895764 M * mnmr Failed to update mtab-file
1136895880 M * mnmr also, when I shut down a vserver the host loses all eth0 aliases that are >= the addr of the guest just stopped.. that's likely a gentoo-specific issue though.
1136896012 M * daniel_hozac sorry, i have to leave.
1136896057 M * brc mnmr: ip addr show
1136896067 M * brc the ones that are not global are lost
1136896077 M * brc a workaround for this is to have everything /32
1136896201 M * mnmr harmony vservers # ip addr show 
1136896201 M * mnmr 1: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 
1136896201 M * mnmr     link/ether 00:11:2f:2b:3e:f2 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 
1136896201 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.254/24 brd 10.10.3.254 scope global eth0 
1136896201 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.241/8 brd 10.255.255.255 scope global eth0:2 
1136896202 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.240/24 brd 10.10.3.255 scope global secondary eth0:1 
1136896202 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.242/8 brd 10.255.255.255 scope global secondary eth0:3 
1136896204 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.243/8 brd 10.255.255.255 scope global secondary eth0:4 
1136896204 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.244/8 brd 10.255.255.255 scope global secondary eth0:5 
1136896206 M * mnmr     inet 10.10.3.245/8 brd 10.255.255.255 scope global secondary eth0:6 
1136896236 M * mnmr these all get lost.. hohum. netmask doesnt look right. 
1136896241 M * brc it cant be secondary
1136896250 M * brc set everything to /32
1136896253 M * brc and it wont happen anymore.
1136896275 M * mnmr ok! will try - thx!
1136897185 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1136897455 M * mnmr brc: worked - thanks!
1136897588 Q * id23 Quit: cya
1136897716 M * brc :)
1136897727 M * brc i am always thinking about this xen stuff
1136897772 M * brc my servers work really fine. Some users want to create VPNs or setup user quotas. and that is where i lose them
1136897802 M * SiD3WiNDR yeh :/
1136897838 M * mnmr touch one.. you could just say no, though :)
1136897853 M * mnmr (users always want extra features)
1136897871 M * brc that's what i do
1136897875 M * brc but if they want a server for VPN
1136897885 M * brc they will just signup on another place
1136897900 M * brc quotas are not a real place, they can use daemon quotas
1136897903 M * brc place=problem
1136897917 M * brc well, wont bother you with my stuff, thanks for listening me :)
1136898008 M * mnmr thanks too :)
1136898057 M * lchvdlch morning all
1136898150 M * mnmr gm :)
1136898336 M * mnmr brc: you may want to check out this post: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-411959-highlight-vserver.html?sid=54601e27c8758cba62eb6029edc14e47
1136898380 Q * meandtheshell Quit: a brave heart left ... 
1136898438 J * meandtheshell ~markus@85-124-32-67.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1136898729 M * brc lemme see
1136898958 M * brc interesting
1136898958 M * brc :)
1136898970 M * mnmr :)
1136901805 M * coocoon does patching patch-2.6.15-vs2.1.0.4 work
1136901810 M * coocoon got error message
1136901820 M * coocoon patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
1136901820 M * coocoon patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
1136904576 M * coocoon hello no one there
1136904722 M * mnemoc download it again, the patch is perfect. yours got truncated
1136904739 M * mnemoc http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.15-vs2.1.0.4.diff
1136904760 M * coocoon please can u also give me the command patching without bz2
1136904772 M * coocoon maybe it is because of i have mad e a bz2
1136904777 M * coocoon of these patch
1136904842 M * mnemoc patch -p1 < patch-2.6.15-vs2.1.0.4.diff
1136904865 M * coocoon oh ok thanx a lot
1136904932 M * mnemoc you're welcome
1136904976 M * coocoon have forgotten the <
1136904989 M * mnemoc :)
1136906036 M * coocoon u r right is working fine
1136906039 M * coocoon ;-)
1136906620 M * mnemoc :)
1136906949 J * undefined ~undefined@adsl-68-93-109-94.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net
1136907515 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-144-185.netcologne.de
1136907616 Q * mnmr Read error: Connection reset by peer
1136907631 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136907649 M * bubulak h/n
1136907657 J * mnmr ~mnmr@217.116.235.96
1136907957 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1136907961 M * Bertl morning folks!
1136908037 M * schellh hi master :)
1136908104 M * phreak`` morning Bertl!
1136908381 Q * pflanze Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136908612 T * Hollow http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.01, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0, exp 2.1.0.4, 2.0.1.2 | util-vserver-0.30.209 | vserver-utils-1.0.2 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)
1136908804 M * kilian moin Bertl 
1136908822 M * kilian Bertl: btw. about the hppa boot, it does boot, but it hangs in the scripts of the initramfs now ;)
1136908833 M * kilian Bertl: thus, problem solved, new problem found =)
1136909121 M * Bertl kilian: aha, but not with the soft lockup, yes?
1136909138 M * Bertl kilian: or does it indeed lock up?
1136909169 M * Bertl kilian: does your pernel include the pa* patches?
1136909176 M * Bertl *kernel
1136909197 M * kilian Bertl: well, it does lockup, compared to that it does not go anywhere, but the serial console is still responding, just majorly slow
1136909212 M * kilian Bertl: mmh, which pa* special patches?
1136909243 M * Bertl well, the mainline parisc never booted for me, I always had to patch the pa* patch to make it work ...
1136909266 M * Bertl (read: mainline kernel does not work on parisc, everybody knows :)
1136909293 M * kilian Bertl: mh, i have this one apparently in:
1136909294 M * kilian http://137.250.31.225/svn/debian-kernel/local/vserver/linux-2.6/debian/patches/hppa-incompatible.patch
1136909425 M * Bertl http://cvs.parisc-linux.org/download/linux-2.6/patch-2.6.15-pa1.gz
1136909477 M * Bertl this is 'required' to make a kernel work on parisc (according to the arch maintainers), be careful, a kernel patched with those patches will not work on other archs
1136909657 M * kilian Bertl: mmh, ok.. looks mostly the same, just minor differences, but will give it a try..
1136910038 M * brc bERTL!
1136910049 M * Bertl bRC!
1136910130 M * coocoon hello bertl
1136910142 M * coocoon have configured pre-start.d
1136910154 M * coocoon wanted to start DiskLimit.sh
1136910172 M * coocoon got such messages /srv/vservers/vhost00/... Invalid argument
1136910193 M * coocoon disk show the limit i have set
1136910237 M * coocoon if I do it directly it works without messages
1136910308 M * Bertl well, EINVAL (invalid argument) basically means that something is wrong ... either in the arguments to the syscall or the syscall itself ...
1136910324 M * coocoon #/dev/hdv1             2.0G  144M  1.7G   8% /
1136910338 J * bonbons ~bonbons@83.222.39.249
1136910359 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1136910375 M * coocoon bertl: starting vserver this message comes: mesg: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted
1136910405 M * coocoon bertl: my host fstab /dev/srv/vservers  /srv/vservers  ext3	defaults,tagxid		0 	2
1136910562 M * coocoon bertl: Device file	/dev/srv/vservers	Current status	Mounted on /srv/vservers as ext3 LVM informations from webmin:Volume access	Read/write	     Allocation method	Non-contiguous
1136910576 M * coocoon Blocks allocated from volume group	27309 out of 27309	Allocation block size	4096 kB
1136910753 M * Bertl what's /dev/srv/vservers ?
1136910779 M * Bertl lvm/evms volume srv with a volume vservers?
1136910835 M * Bertl coocoon: which tools do you use? (i.e. what tool version)
1136910905 M * coocoon LVM version 2.01.04
1136910913 M * coocoon webmin 1.250
1136910934 M * Bertl hmm, yeah, okay, I was more interested in util-vserver, actually :)
1136910951 M * eyck hehe
1136910962 M * brc Bertl, how would you compare linux-vserver against xen regarding performance ?
1136910975 M * coocoon util-vserver: 0.30.209
1136911051 M * coocoon i have set under volume groups srv
1136911062 M * coocoon it would have been created
1136911067 M * coocoon whats wrong with that
1136911080 M * coocoon if set lvm i got error message that it is in use
1136911241 M * Bertl nono, is just fine, it confused me at first glance ...
1136911250 M * coocoon ok now i havwe set lvm
1136911256 M * coocoon :-D
1136911257 M * Bertl brc: well, with a single guest, they should be very equal ...
1136911277 M * coocoon i have one big partition
1136911292 M * Bertl brc: with every guest you start, the advantage will move towards linux-vserver ...
1136911352 M * Bertl coocoon: the /dev/pts/0 message looks somehow strange, nobody should access that ... do you run stuff in a screen or so?
1136911391 M * coocoon no
1136911423 M * coocoon bertl: i wil now try it to set all on the comand line
1136911430 M * coocoon maybe this will solve it
1136911469 M * Bertl yeah, maybe just add '-x' to the bash lines, so you 'see' what commands are executed
1136912350 M * brc Bertl: How % fast? :P
1136912506 M * Bertl brc: well, that really depends, and I have no numbers there, but I have a test for you, if you find the time ...
1136912578 M * Bertl brc: 'just' create 100 guests for Xen (DomU's) and 100 guests for Linux-VServer, which just run sshd on a separate port (e.g. 100xx), then ssh into one of them ... and see how it 'performs'
1136912645 Q * NikDaPhreak Quit: Hybernating my brain....
1136913265 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1136913280 M * Bertl welcome shedi!
1136913297 M * shedi thank you Bertl 
1136913779 M * brc Bertl: Is there anything i could run on the guest number 100 to measure the performance ?
1136913797 M * brc i can create something that will fork, write to disk, etc
1136913820 M * Bertl sure, you can do all kind of things there, one other IMHO interesting thing would be:
1136913836 M * Bertl (involves a lesser number of guests :)
1136913852 M * Bertl - create let's say 5 guests, on a shared partition
1136913891 M * Bertl - hard link the kernel source tree, (e.g. 2.6.15) into all of them
1136913912 M * Bertl   (cp -la /path/to/kernel/tree /path/to/guest/tree)
1136913922 M * brc ok
1136913933 M * brc and compile ?
1136913934 M * Bertl - start a kernel compile in all of them at once
1136913948 M * Bertl - check how long each compile takes
1136913973 M * Bertl for xen, the cp -la does not work of course, but 'try' to get as close as possible
1136913998 M * brc good test
1136914000 M * brc i will do that
1136914072 M * Bertl please let us know how it went, and what issues you encoutered
1136914192 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1136914260 M * brc sure
1136914269 M * brc i will try to do this on 2 weeks. gotta finish some stuff first
1136914287 M * Bertl great, TIA!
1136914586 Q * _are_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136915513 M * Bertl okay, leaving now ...
1136915519 M * Bertl back later this evening ...
1136916380 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1136916548 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1136917832 Q * coocoon Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'
1136918566 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136918602 J * Doener doener@i5387D636.versanet.de
1136919300 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136920266 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1136921672 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1136921926 J * _are_ ~are@62.112.159.81
1136922347 J * viper0482 ~viper0482@p5497765A.dip.t-dialin.net
1136923166 P * viper0482 
1136924167 Q * mkhl Quit: 
1136924183 J * samueltc ~root@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA
1136924184 M * samueltc hi
1136924206 M * samueltc hey, what's the secret url on 13thfloor with all the latest stuff
1136924207 M * samueltc ?
1136924225 M * samueltc something like http/13thfloor.at/bertl
1136924421 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p54975E25.dip.t-dialin.net
1136924511 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net
1136924626 M * Hollow samueltc: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/
1136924681 M * Psy0rz the secret url
1136924682 M * Psy0rz cool
1136924684 M * Psy0rz now i know!
1136924694 M * Psy0rz i will tell the world...mwoeeehahahahaaaaaaawwwww
1136924816 M * Hollow Psy0rz: you're fine?
1136924848 Q * derjohn Read error: Connection reset by peer
1136925001 M * Psy0rz yes :)
1136925008 M * Psy0rz just kidding around :)
1136925014 M * Psy0rz sm0king a bit
1136925598 Q * Viper0482 Remote host closed the connection
1136925762 Q * prae Quit: Pwet
1136926279 M * samueltc thanks
1136926451 M * samueltc hey, the other day I was asking about the lack of shadowed passwd file with the vserver build command
1136926468 M * samueltc (i'm talking about a debian sarge vserver build)
1136926489 M * samueltc you can activate it with that simple command: 'shadowconfig on'
1136926549 M * samueltc i've to reboot
1136926550 Q * samueltc Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's
1136927015 J * samuel ~admin@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA
1136927040 M * samuel jeez... i'm having a hard time with AoE+udev+vserver
1136927046 M * samuel it's not vserver related...
1136927064 M * samuel just wanted to inform everybody while my kernel is compiling
1136927159 M * SiD3WiNDR age of empires with udev? :)
1136927443 M * samuel ehhe, ata over ethernet
1136927510 M * samuel www.coraid.com
1136927718 M * samuel i'll try with a devfs kernel
1136927810 M * samuel i've lost so much time recompiling that f*cking 2.6.15
1136927818 M * samuel hope it'll work
1136928840 M * Psy0rz lol
1136928882 M * samuel are you loling at me? heh?
1136928924 M * mnemoc samuel: use ccache next time
1136928942 M * brc ccache+distcc
1136928943 M * brc :)
1136928947 M * mnemoc :)
1136929012 M * samuel it's not that long to recompile, i'm just tired to see all that kernel panic, no such device, /dev/console not found, ...
1136929057 M * samuel and at the beginning I was testing the kernel on a old HP that take 4 mins to boot (bioses)
1136929107 J * samuel_ ~samuel@levinux.UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA
1136929111 Q * samuel Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's
1136929181 M * brc the worst thing for me is the long time to boot, and then KERNEL PANIC!
1136929182 M * brc heehe
1136929199 M * samuel_ hehehe
1136929226 M * samuel_ brc, are you from croatia?
1136929268 M * Psy0rz samuel_ yeah i just 'freed' myself from fscking devfs
1136929283 J * netmasker netmasker@ppp3-14.internet-hellas.forthnet.gr
1136929524 M * Psy0rz aalol
1136929529 M * Psy0rz nice nick ;)
1136929538 M * brc samuel_: I am from BRazil! why ?
1136929539 M * brc .BR
1136929989 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving
1136930342 M * Roey mnemoc:  your nick reminds me of Memnoc the Devil (from Ann Rice's vampire universe)
1136930368 M * mnemoc :)
1136930373 M * Roey so every time I read it
1136930374 M * Roey I read
1136930375 M * Roey memnoc
1136930376 M * Roey hehehe :)
1136930398 M * Roey anyway nice to meet you :)
1136930399 M * Roey I am Roey
1136930399 M * mnemoc no problem ,-) i'm usually confused with my cusin
1136930402 M * Roey ehheeh
1136930406 M * Roey hehe
1136930409 M * mnemoc :)
1136930416 M * Roey see ya Alejandro
1136930417 M * Roey gotta go
1136930435 M * Roey See ya, mnemoc el Diablo
1136930529 M * mnemoc cu :)
1136930573 A * samuel_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
1136930591 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1136930603 M * Bertl evening folks!
1136930606 M * daniel_hozac evening!
1136930875 J * Johnnie ~john@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1136930904 M * Bertl welcome Johnnie 
1136931066 J * oliwel ~mail-at-o@host-62-245-151-178.customer.m-online.net
1136931108 M * lchvdlch Bertl: hi, how does the vserver isolates filesystem data-in-memory?
1136931126 M * Bertl lchvdlch: what kind of data?
1136931130 M * Bertl welcome oliwel!
1136931157 M * lchvdlch Bertl: the kind of data that was corrupting my reiserfs partition :)
1136931219 M * lchvdlch there is any chance of one process to corrupt fs data by being migrated to another context?
1136931245 M * Bertl there is always a chance that a process corrupts data, especially if the filesystem is not stable
1136931255 M * oliwel Bertl: Hi
1136931283 M * lchvdlch Bertl: but I've seen that vserver patches some inode-related code in ext2/3 (not in reiserfs)
1136931289 M * Bertl lchvdlch: in this regard, linux-vserver does nothing differently than a 'normal' linux kernel would do
1136931293 M * oliwel Bertl: installed 2.6.15 with 2.1 patches and the diff for the "bug" from yesterday, seems all running fine
1136931304 M * lchvdlch I was wondering that maybe that's why reiserfs got corrupt
1136931325 M * lchvdlch because it stills not vserver-aware
1136931344 M * Bertl lchvdlch: could you point me to the changes you consider related?
1136931383 M * Bertl lchvdlch: reiserfs should be as vserver-aware as the other 'supported' filesystems, so any misbehaviour there could be considered a bug
1136931525 M * lchvdlch Bertl: diff -NurpP --minimal linux-2.4.30/fs/ext2/ialloc.c linux-2.4.30-vs1.2.10/fs/ext2/ialloc.c
1136931570 M * lchvdlch nruiz@nruiz:~/ftp/kernel/vserver$ bzcat patch-2.4.30-vs1.2.10.diff.bz2 | grep -c "^diff.*ext[23]"
1136931573 M * lchvdlch 8
1136931607 M * Bertl ah, you are talking about 2.4 and 1.2.10 ... well, reiserfs is not supported there
1136931615 M * lchvdlch :(
1136931623 M * Bertl you should look at 1.2.11-rc*
1136931661 M * lchvdlch ok, will see then...
1136931768 M * Bertl but basically there should be no corruption on reiserfs too, just things like the barrier will not work as expected
1136931793 M * Bertl oliwel: excellent!
1136931843 M * lchvdlch Bertl: well, I have to say that I'm not using vserver to isolate servers, but to isolate shared-memory addresses
1136931865 M * lchvdlch Bertl: process forks and child gots a new context and runs there
1136931878 M * lchvdlch thats maybe why it crashed reiserfs
1136931882 M * Bertl hmm, and you are doing tht with 2.4 for what reason?
1136931941 M * lchvdlch no, because old hardware specs
1136931967 M * lchvdlch I'm afraid 2.6.x will not let this hw survive...
1136932029 Q * netmasker Quit: 
1136932048 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1136932267 M * Bertl lchvdlch: really? what hardware is that?
1136932888 M * oliwel good night guys...
1136932890 A * oliwel waves goodbye to the crowd
1136932894 Q * oliwel Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]
1136932939 P * meandtheshell 
1136933095 M * lchvdlch Bertl: quad pentiumIII 550MHz with EDO ram, not too old (I have centos 4.1 on same specs, and it feels slow)
1136933156 M * daniel_hozac CentOS 4.1 is 2.6 based, isn't it.
1136933253 Q * weasel Read error: Operation timed out
1136933465 M * Bertl lchvdlch: wouldn't see why that would not work with 2.6, I have an amd K6 350Mhz here with 2.6 :)
1136933493 M * Bertl (actually works better than the 2.4 I had before)
1136934115 M * Bertl okay, off for a little, but back later ...
1136934123 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1136934394 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-195.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1136935884 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-221-80.netcologne.de
1136936318 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1136937520 J * Cru ~mindwarp@bastardrouterfromhell.e.de.wahlich.com
1136937526 M * Cru morning