1135641607 M * Marinus ok! will do
1135641615 M * Bertl thanks a lot!
1135641621 M * Marinus Thank you!:)
1135641639 M * Bertl was a pleasure to help!
1135641710 M * michal_ hey Bertl :) well, i used to had vserver on FC4 without problems, instalation was really smooth, i've got some patch for yum from somebody on this channel and detailed howto
1135641730 M * michal_ so i am suprised you Marinus are having problems
1135641733 M * Marinus yeh, there is an rpm out there with a patched yum for FC4
1135641753 M * Marinus it's even mentioned in the FC4 how-to i believe
1135641777 M * Marinus had that running fine, until Plesk decided that it would need FC3 instead of FC4 so I had to downgrade
1135641807 M * Bertl well, it seems that FC3 uses a 'special' yum version, which is 'just' different from the 'vanilla' one
1135641815 M * michal_ i see. well, that's the pain of unsupported versions ;]
1135641821 M * Bertl (or at least configured differently)
1135641860 M * Bertl Marinus: how is Plesk doing (and where? inside or outside the guests?)
1135641887 M * Bertl Marinus: some folks asked about Plesk today (that's why I'm asking)
1135641932 M * Marinus I'm still working on Plesk, inside a guest
1135641962 M * Marinus I tried to install it on FC4 with some hacks but that didn't work out so now I'm trying on FC3
1135642410 M * Marinus hmm, now this is intersting
1135642438 M * Marinus I get something about gpgkeys not being installed
1135642472 M * Marinus (when building a vserver)
1135642486 M * Bertl that is possible
1135642501 M * Bertl there is a special config dir where you have to put the keys
1135642565 M * Marinus mm, i thought I disabled the checking of packages against those keys :D
1135642704 M * Marinus any thoughts on this one? (dang i feel dumb :-p)
1135642765 M * Bertl google search with 'vserver pgp keys' gives (feeling lucky, of course)
1135642771 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/VServer+installation+Fedora+Core+4
1135642799 M * Bertl cp -r /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/ /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4/pubkeys/
1135642815 M * Bertl so, in your case I'd assume you want
1135642839 M * Bertl /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc3/pubkeys/ or maybe /etc/vservers/...
1135643018 M * Marinus yeh, I missed that, doh
1135643037 M * Bertl np, google found it ... :)
1135643058 M * Marinus whoop! this seems to be working :-)
1135643071 M * Marinus maybe I should adopt the FC4 guide into a FC3 guid with plesk
1135643112 M * Bertl would be a good idea, maybe even do a 'generic' part with FC3/FC4 whatever details
1135643148 M * Marinus yeh, the current fc4 igs quite good
1135643177 M * Marinus shouldn't be too hard to adopt it into fc3
1135644507 M * Skram have you all ever used nload (or similar) to check b/w usage by a vps
1135644530 M * Skram nload is quite good, but doesnt seem to work for virtual eth0 interfaces like eth0:6179..
1135644544 M * Bertl which is quite expected
1135644555 M * Bertl the aliases have no separate counters
1135644565 M * Skram Well, any known tools that will work with said interfaces?
1135644581 M * Bertl no, but you can do accounting via iptables
1135644581 M * Skram Bertl: Oh.. so, its basically "not possible" with the current setup?
1135644592 M * Skram yeah.. I need to add iptables into my kernel still.
1135644609 M * Bertl will be possible with ngnet
1135644611 M * Skram sucks :(
1135644614 M * Skram ngnet?
1135644619 M * Skram ill look that up
1135644621 M * Bertl next generation networking
1135644628 M * Skram oh :)
1135644645 M * Skram dinner soon, tootles
1135644696 M * Bertl some folks want UML style networking, and ngnet will implement that
1135645145 A * Skram shrugs and will look up how UML does it later
1135645165 M * Skram each user get their own eth# device?
1135645376 M * Bertl well, each guest can have a number of virtual interfaces, yes
1135645392 M * Bertl those will be 'conencted' on the host
1135645582 J * VooDooMaster ~icechat5@p549C83F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135645627 Q * jayeola Quit: "night chaps"
1135645719 M * VooDooMaster hi! I have a gentoo-vserver question: in my /etc/conf.d/vservers I set START_VSERVERS="vs2" but after the reboot the vserver is not up? what's wrong? [vserver-sources-2.0.1 util-vserver-0.30.208-r5]
1135645800 M * Bertl hmm, I'd says you want to put "yes" there, and mark the vserver vs2
1135645829 M * Bertl usually the script is called vservers.default (the other one is for legacy)
1135645846 M * Bertl and the guest which should be started are marked with 'default' too
1135645889 M * VooDooMaster how do I mark a vserver?
1135645981 J * sebi ~sebi@Fd218.f.strato-dslnet.de
1135645981 M * VooDooMaster Line before START_VSERVERS in the config-file: # A space-delimited list of vservers to start ...
1135646015 M * Bertl well, that's something gentoo specific then, and you have to ask the gentoo maintainer
1135646017 M * VooDooMaster # This can be used together with MARKS or as a replacement
1135646024 M * VooDooMaster # Note: on stop the init script will stop ALL running vservers
1135646038 M * Bertl *   /etc/vservers/vserver-name/apps/init
1135646044 M * Bertl #  mark
1135646044 M * Bertl This file is used to mark group of vservers which shall be started/stopped together by the initscript. Content is a simple string like 'default'.
1135646068 M * VooDooMaster bertl: ok - thx - that helps a lot.
1135646077 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1135646081 Q * sebi_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135646355 Q * Marinus Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135646775 Q * VooDooMaster Quit: IceChat - Chillin with the Best of em
1135647004 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-246-109.netcologne.de
1135647196 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135649783 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
1135649882 P * stefani 
1135649892 J * mep_ mep@p5091AECE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135650356 Q * mep__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135652515 M * Skram is there a "vkillall"
1135652574 M * Bertl hmm .. no, but vcontext --migrate --xid <xid> -- killall ... should do that
1135652623 M * Bertl but there is a vkill which can kill an entire context (similar to killall on OSF)
1135652629 M * Skram xid is contect id?
1135652634 M * Bertl yep
1135652644 M * Skram does it accept *?
1135652652 M * Bertl what?
1135652670 M * Skram i got it
1135652670 M * Skram thanks
1135652676 M * Bertl okay :)
1135652736 M * Bertl well, I'm off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1135652743 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1135652994 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1135653100 M * Skram 4 minutes sleep? :P
1135653170 M * Bertl no, just read something on #kernelnewbies I had to comment on
1135653292 M * Bertl okay, now really off to bed :)
1135653300 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1135653475 M * Skeeve hey.. anyone around to help a newbie
1135653558 M * Skeeve everything seemed to go perfectly except building the vserver
1135653565 M * Skeeve im usign the centos4 howto
1135653686 M * Skram Skeeve: you are making a guest image?
1135653720 M * Skeeve honestly.. im not exactly sure.... im only new to the terminology
1135653728 M * Skeeve I've followed this: http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1135653735 M * Skeeve and this: http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6
1135653746 M * Skeeve and all looked like it went perfectly well
1135653759 M * Skram Okat..
1135653762 M * Skram *okay
1135653764 M * Skram so what now/
1135653764 M * Skram heh
1135653774 M * Skeeve i run this: 
1135653774 M * Skeeve vserver min-centos42 build -m yum --hostname test.x.org \
1135653774 M * Skeeve  --interface domain=eth0:203.x.x.91/25 --initstyle sysv \
1135653775 M * Skeeve  --context 500 --force -- -d centos42
1135653777 M * Skram explain what you are doing and someone may be able to help
1135653812 M * Skram hmm.. okay; and what error does it give?
1135653820 M * Skeeve just a tic.. running it again
1135653830 M * Skram Alrighty
1135653831 M * Skram brb
1135654061 M * Skeeve ok
1135654071 M * Skeeve i run the above... and I get
1135654072 M * Skeeve Renamed '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/min-centos42' to '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/min-centos42.~1135647344~'
1135654072 M * Skeeve Renamed '/etc/vservers/min-centos42' to '/etc/vservers/min-centos42.~1135647344~'
1135654102 M * Skeeve sorry.. bloody lines starting with /
1135654104 M * Skeeve ok
1135654105 M * Skeeve  /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/min-centos42/dev
1135654105 M * Skeeve Renamed '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/min-centos42' to '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/min-centos42.~1135647344~'
1135654105 M * Skeeve  /etc/vservers/min-centos42/apps
1135654105 M * Skeeve Renamed '/etc/vservers/min-centos42' to '/etc/vservers/min-centos42.~1135647344~'
1135654106 M * Skeeve Renamed '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/min-centos42' to '/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/min-centos42.~1135647344~'
1135654121 M * Skeeve and this it does this:
1135654122 M * Skeeve Setting up Install Process
1135654122 M * Skeeve Setting up repositories
1135654122 M * Skeeve No Repositories Available to Set Up
1135654122 M * Skeeve Reading repository metadata in from local files
1135654123 M * Skeeve Parsing package install arguments
1135654123 M * Skeeve No Match for argument: indexhtml-4-1.centos4
1135654125 M * Skeeve No Match for argument: redhat-logos-1.1.25-1.centos4.3
1135654125 M * Skeeve No Match for argument: setup-2.5.37-1.1
1135654143 M * Skeeve for everything in the step which says to do this: vi 01 (put the contents of this into it: http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_min_install)
1135654266 M * Skeeve and generally falls in a hole
1135657171 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1135658366 M * Skram anyone run centos vpses?
1135658375 M * Skram haha nevermind
1135658387 M * Skram lemme go test from inside my vpshosrt
1135658663 M * Johnnie Skram: You're not running CentOS.
1135658693 M * Johnnie Skeeve: First of all, you made your configuration structure for your vserver guest, and then again overwrote it... hence the renaming jazz.
1135658748 M * Johnnie And, I see somewhere in that HOWTO that it is seeking files in pkgs/01 or something?
1135658813 M * Johnnie Also, in your creation syntax, I see two hyphens with no tag after it ... doubt that'd do anything except be ignored, but you might want to take those out.
1135658840 M * Johnnie I don't deal with CentOS much enough, unfortunately.
1135658863 M * Skram Johnnie: I know
1135658870 M * Skram I was going to toy with a centos IMAGE.
1135658898 M * Johnnie I don't think that's the problem.
1135659448 M * Skeeve Johnnie.. ok
1135659467 M * Skeeve but im just doing what the howto said to do
1135659495 M * Skeeve basically says do this:
1135659495 M * Skeeve cd /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions
1135659495 M * Skeeve cp -Rpv fc3 centos4
1135659495 M * Johnnie I'm not sure how accurate it is?
1135659495 M * Skeeve cd centos4
1135659495 M * Skeeve mkdir pubkeys
1135659495 M * Skeeve cp /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-centos4 ./pubkeys/  (Should be there from CentOS install or on CD1 if not using a CentOS host)
1135659497 M * Skeeve ln -s ../redhat/initpre .
1135659497 M * Skeeve ln -s ../redhat/initpost .
1135659499 M * Skeeve cd pkgs
1135659499 M * Skeeve rm -f 01 02 03
1135659501 M * Skeeve vi 01 (put the contents of this into it: http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_min_install)
1135659511 M * Skeeve if its not accurate.. it aint much good as a howto ;-)
1135659550 M * Skeeve and this is what the howto has for a vserver creation
1135659550 M * Skeeve vserver min-centos4 build -m yum --hostname domain.com --interface domain=eth0:192.168.0.136/24 --initstyle sysv \
1135659550 M * Skeeve  --context 500 --force -- -d centos4
1135659751 M * Johnnie Notice the two empty hyphens after "--force".
1135659758 M * Johnnie Something about that has me lost.
1135659776 M * Skeeve indeed... thats what i thought.. but hey.. its a howto ;-)
1135659791 M * Johnnie Well, as I said, who's to say that it's accurate?
1135659799 M * Skeeve interesting
1135659803 M * Skeeve if you take it out:
1135659805 M * Skeeve vserver-build: invalid option -- d
1135659827 A * Johnnie shrugs.
1135659869 M * Skeeve odd.. this is from the fedora one: vserver test build -m yum --hostname=test.example --interface test0=eth0:192.168.0.1/24 -- -d fc4
1135659873 M * Skeeve has the -- as well
1135659892 M * Johnnie Then it must be right.
1135659898 M * Skeeve same with debian:
1135659899 M * Skeeve # vserver kea build -m debootstrap --hostname kea --interface \
1135659899 M * Skeeve eth0:69.90.134.201/25 -- -d sarge -- --exclude=$REMOVE_PACKAGES  
1135659904 M * Skeeve hmm oddness
1135659905 M * Johnnie Okay, okay, I get the idea now. :)
1135659911 M * Skeeve oh well.. assume that ones right
1135659931 M * Johnnie Well, are all of your files in place?
1135659943 M * Skeeve they look like it
1135659953 M * Skeeve is there any iso builds out there with vserver built into it?
1135659960 M * Johnnie I doubt it.
1135659975 M * Skeeve damn... it'd be nice
1135659977 M * Johnnie The closest I know of is Gentoo, actually.
1135659991 M * Johnnie The kernel is pre-patched and put in the portage tree.
1135660017 M * Johnnie There is, of course, OpenVZ, Virtuozzo, and Xen, but they're not the same as the vserver stuff.
1135660054 M * Skeeve basically I want to give 2 people space on my colo server where they can do and host what they like without me needing to give them root on the main server...
1135660059 M * Skeeve is Vservers best for it
1135660060 M * Skeeve ?
1135660198 M * Johnnie I'd say.
1135661217 M * Skeeve when you create a vserver, where is the setting for where the packages are obtained from?
1135661660 M * Johnnie That I do not know.
1135661664 M * Johnnie I wish I did.
1135661869 M * Skram Skeeve: you mean like a yum setting?
1135661884 M * Skram the yim 'mirror'?
1135662209 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1135665982 M * Skram *yum
1135666680 Q * ComplexHo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135671264 M * aba meebey: pong
1135672461 Q * tudenbart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135672472 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
1135674618 Q * gooroo Quit: leaving
1135679556 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-2-254.netcologne.de
1135679665 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135683617 M * meebey aba: was about broken vserver package in debian :)
1135684640 J * davut ~davut@213.74.180.7
1135684642 M * davut hi
1135684677 M * davut hi I am using gentoo and trying to get my production servers on virtual servers
1135684700 M * davut I wonder what is baselayout-vserver actually?
1135684707 M * davut should I install it?
1135685017 J * Schak schak@dslc-082-082-180-036.pools.arcor-ip.net
1135685114 J * apollo11 stefan@p549D460F.dip.t-dialin.net
1135685129 M * Schak morning. got a big fat problem with 2.6.12.6-vs2.0. approx each 50hrs the interface from a vserver gets deleted. the vserver is running. vserver bleh exec xyz works. only the interface is missing and so the vserver isnt reachable from outside. can anyone help/confirm?
1135685171 J * marl ~matt@84.92.193.226
1135685376 N * Smutje_ Smutje
1135685555 Q * marl_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135685651 M * davut Schak, I dont know
1135685659 M * davut can ? ask u a question
1135685668 M * davut do you use baselayout-vserver?
1135685933 M * davut hey
1135685938 M * davut I need this information
1135685950 M * davut anybody help me, I am stuck with this
1135685998 M * apollo11 Schak: huhu...
1135686080 M * davut alow
1135686098 M * davut apollo11, do you know what does baselayout-vserver do?
1135686104 M * davut should I install it?
1135686140 M * apollo11 Sorry, I don't know anything about that...
1135686628 Q * davut Quit: Harry Potter ve Dual Vibrator
1135686639 M * Johnnie Hmmm...
1135686645 M * Johnnie Just as I come back, too.
1135686909 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135687310 Q * apollo11 Quit: apollo11
1135687367 P * matti 8-X
1135688158 Q * Johnnie Remote host closed the connection
1135688181 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135688579 J * Milf ~Miranda@ipsio447.ipsi.fraunhofer.de
1135688614 M * Milf Merry first working day after Christmas!
1135688796 M * Milf . o O (All on vacation it seems. Lucky bastards.)
1135688856 A * aba is at work
1135690527 M * Skeeve Schak: when you vserver name enter, is the interface reactivated?
1135690756 Q * Schak Ping timeout: 481 seconds
1135690972 J * dothebart titan@p5086614E.dip.t-dialin.net
1135690975 M * dothebart re.
1135690987 M * dothebart somehow my home box dissapeared.
1135691229 Q * dothebart Remote host closed the connection
1135691741 J * dothebart titan@p5086614E.dip.t-dialin.net
1135691743 M * dothebart r.
1135691745 M * dothebart e
1135691845 J * patulo ~asd@host88.201-252-11.telecom.net.ar
1135691900 M * patulo Hello !!!!
1135692682 J * dothebar1 titan@p50864D0A.dip.t-dialin.net
1135693105 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135693857 Q * patulo Quit: 
1135693992 J * phreak`` ~phreak``@styx.xnull.de
1135694277 M * phreak`` just wanted to ask: anyone working on porting vs2.0.1/vs2.1.0 to 2.6.15 ?
1135694407 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1135694413 M * Bertl morning folks!
1135694424 M * Bertl phreak``: yep, want to make a port too?
1135694477 M * phreak`` well I tried to do one, while is was driving with the train from home to Stuttgart
1135694490 M * phreak`` morning Bertl :)
1135694494 M * Bertl cool, does it work?
1135694516 M * phreak`` doesn't even compile :|
1135694582 M * Bertl hmm ...
1135694583 M * phreak`` Bertl: I guess I need to do it once again, when I'm driving back home on New-Year's day
1135694766 M * harry greetings from 22c3!
1135694788 M * Bertl hey harry! how is 22c3?
1135694806 M * Bertl somehow I completely missed the date ...
1135694942 M * harry everything is fine hiere
1135694944 M * harry here
1135694955 M * harry laughing with rosiello's irc daemon :)
1135694969 M * harry trying to find security holes in every function in safe.cpp ;)
1135694976 M * harry only 1 to go... :)
1135694982 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1135695093 M * Bertl harry: sounds great!
1135695096 J * shedi ~siggi@213-140-22-77.fastres.net
1135695097 M * harry uhu :)
1135695103 M * harry now... time for rfid presentation!
1135695105 M * Roey hey all
1135695108 M * harry cya later
1135695123 M * Bertl hey Roey!
1135695248 M * Roey heya
1135695269 M * Roey How can I put the megaraid driver into the Etch netinst image?
1135695292 M * Bertl hum, not a typical linux-vserver question, no?
1135695345 M * Bertl but why not make a netboot kernel yourself? maybe based on 2.6.14 or 15-rc*, which contains the required drivers?
1135695409 Q * shedi Remote host closed the connection
1135695530 J * shedi ~siggi@213-140-22-77.fastres.net
1135695588 M * Roey I didn't know I coudl do that.
1135695599 M * Roey see, the etch thing sets up LVM for you 
1135695616 M * Roey and right now I HAVE a working configuration except that / is not on LVM.
1135695625 M * Roey :(
1135695635 M * Roey and migrating over sounds liek a big, big ordeal.
1135695773 M * mnemoc moving / to LVM doesn't pay
1135695789 M * Roey for snapshots it sure does....
1135695806 M * mnemoc then you need an initrd
1135695811 M * Roey have one already.
1135695826 M * mnemoc good :)
1135695831 M * Roey I don't know what to do past this point though!
1135696020 M * mnemoc modprobe dm-mod
1135696041 M * Roey what about it?
1135696053 M * mnemoc /sbin/vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure
1135696062 M * mnemoc and mount / ,-)
1135696072 M * Roey katzr@sink2:~$ sudo /sbin/modprobe dm-mod
1135696072 M * Roey Password:
1135696072 M * Roey FATAL: Module dm_mod not found.
1135696079 M * Roey mnemoc:  what does that do?
1135696081 M * mnemoc add it to your initrd
1135696087 M * Roey how?
1135696103 M * mnemoc that's distribution specific
1135696105 M * Roey (where is the right /etc/modules dir?)
1135696121 M * mnemoc /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
1135696121 M * meebey with yaird its simple
1135696139 M * meebey mkinitrd sux though
1135696166 M * Bertl meebey: well, mkinitrd works quite fine on mandrake :)
1135696172 J * LCamel luors@chengjeng.iis.sinica.edu.tw
1135696178 M * Bertl welcome LCamel!
1135696182 M * meebey Bertl: sure it does, but adding modules to it is a pita
1135696185 M * LCamel hi, bertl! :D
1135696207 M * Bertl meebey: why would I do that?
1135696210 M * meebey Bertl: I had to do it to migrate from SATA IDE driver interface to SATA SCSI driver interface
1135696219 M * Roey meebey:  I can use yaird, too.  I use that at home actually.
1135696233 M * Roey meebey:  sata scsi hardware is out there now??
1135696236 M * meebey Bertl: with yaird its such simpler, "MODULE foo" in the config, done :)
1135696244 M * meebey Roey: no
1135696252 M * meebey Roey: SCSI driver interface I said
1135696265 M * meebey the first SATA implementation was done using the IDE driver interface in the kernel
1135696265 M * Roey mnemoc:  hmm... I don't have it for the kernel I am using (I have it for another kernel, though).  What's the option in .config that controls dm_mod ??
1135696280 M * meebey which I was using, later they changed it to SCSI interface
1135696288 M * Bertl LCamel: can we do something for you?
1135696315 M * Bertl LCamel: don't let the folks here keep you from being on-topic :)
1135696356 M * LCamel Bertl: in fact, i have questions about vserver :)
1135696374 M * Roey mnemoc:  actually... I have all of dm compiled into the kernel, not as a module.
1135696382 M * Bertl LCamel: good, let's hear!
1135696398 M * LCamel sudo apt-get source linux-source-2.6.12
1135696398 M * LCamel cd linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12
1135696398 M * LCamel sudo patch -p1 < ~/patch-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.diff
1135696398 M * LCamel cp /boot/config-2.6.12-9-686 .config
1135696398 M * LCamel sudo make oldconfig
1135696403 M * LCamel time sudo make-kpkg --initrd binary
1135696441 M * Bertl hmm, patching a debian 2.6.12 with a vanilla patch?
1135696465 J * soltesz ~soltesz@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1135696468 M * mnemoc patching debian with debian patches is already difficult :p
1135696472 M * LCamel Bertl: I'm trying to build on ubuntu 2005/10 breezy
1135696475 M * Bertl soltesz: welcome steven!
1135696488 M * soltesz hello
1135696502 M * Roey mnemoc:  hi?
1135696510 M * mnemoc Roey: hi :)
1135696511 M * Bertl soltesz: now we are equal for the herbe :)
1135696522 M * Roey mnemoc:  hi!
1135696530 M * LCamel Bertl: and it seems that the source package "linux-source-2.6.12" has ubuntu/debian specific patches
1135696533 M * Roey mnemoc:  /sbin/vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure  should be executed at system bootup or only once?
1135696565 M * Roey mnemoc:  also, I think I've compiled all the dm stuff into the kernel.
1135696570 M * Bertl LCamel: yes, you should either take a vanilla kernel (preferable 2.6.14.4 or so) or go with a debian package
1135696575 M * Roey mnemoc:  does it *have to* be a module?
1135696576 M * mnemoc Roey: once per boot
1135696586 M * Roey mnemoc:  hmm... ok... and where do I put this statement?
1135696593 M * LCamel Bertl: I can still apply the patch-2.6.12.4-vs2.0.diff patch with only one failed hunk for the Makefile
1135696595 M * mnemoc Roey: init
1135696619 M * Bertl LCamel: yes, but the result might be dubious
1135696663 M * LCamel Bertl: it only failed for one line "+ EXTRAVERSION = .4-vs2.0" for Makefile
1135696698 M * Bertl LCamel: well, as I said, it might work, but it might as well erase your harddisk :)
1135696712 M * LCamel Bertl: :D
1135696717 M * Roey mnemoc:  so it should be something like.. /etc/mkinitrd/scripts/S00lvm-init ????
1135696730 M * mnemoc probably
1135696734 M * Roey EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1135696735 M * Roey god
1135696743 M * Roey there isn't any normal way to migrate to lvm is there.
1135696747 M * Roey this is killing me.
1135696768 M * mnemoc that's why i prefer handmade systems :)
1135696778 M * LCamel Bertl: when the "make-kpkg --initrd binary" about to finish, i got a debian specific error message
1135696795 M * Bertl Roey: migrating the root partition to LVM on debian is something I really would not advise
1135696801 M * LCamel Bertl: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-source-2.6.12 not in control info"
1135696818 M * Bertl LCamel: you have to ask debian folks about that ...
1135696821 M * Roey Bertl:  how can I back up / then
1135696823 M * Roey coherently
1135696827 M * Roey Bertl:  why would you not advise it?
1135696833 M * Roey Bertl:  what could possibly go wrong?
1135696846 M * Bertl LCamel: if you are just looking for a debian package, why not build the vanilla kernel and then do 'make dpkg' ?
1135696884 M * Bertl Roey: because when you want to recover something, you are basically screwed (unless you have an lvm aware rescue partition or such)
1135696919 M * Bertl Roey: also, you can boot a non LVM root partition with a single kernel, no initrd
1135696935 M * LCamel Bertl: I don't know what i'm losing if i use the vanilla kernel but not the ubuntu/debian kernel ..
1135697077 M * Roey Bertl:  I boot Kanotix when that happens, and that recognizes lvm.  so?
1135697087 M * Bertl LCamel: well, basically you are losing the doubts about the result ...
1135697097 M * Roey Bertl:  GRUB needs initrd though, and things are headed towards GRUB.
1135697113 M * LCamel Bertl: ha ha.. thanks
1135697117 M * Bertl Roey: well, it's your choice and your system ... and no GRUB doesn't need initrds :)
1135697129 M * Roey I have no problem with initrds now.
1135697194 M * Bertl LCamel: seriously, older debian kernels are just broken (with linux-vserver) but newer releases (IIRC, there are some even with 2.6.14) are somewhat tested, but the vanilla kernels (with linux-vserver) are in production and very well tested ... 
1135697237 M * Bertl LCamel: self patched debian kernels (with mainline vanilla patches) are not much tested ... so the chance that something fails is bigger
1135697274 M * Bertl LCamel: nevertheless, if you work around the ubuntu/debian issue you encounter when building) make sure that you run at least the testme.sh and testfs.sh
1135697335 M * Bertl Roey: so, if your distro supports LVM on installation (right?) why not directly install onto LVM?
1135697354 M * Roey because:
1135697367 M * Roey 1) Sarge installer doesn't give you an option to install to LVM,
1135697386 M * Roey 2) the Etch beta installer does, but it didn't have the megaraid drivers present on the netinst image.
1135697400 M * Roey I've set up a system at home with Etch like this and I had *no* problem whatsoever.
1135697401 M * Roey BUT.
1135697421 M * Roey here, Etch won't see the disks because they're behind a megaraid controller
1135697457 M * Bertl well, isn't megaraid a very common controller?
1135697489 M * LCamel Bertl: thank you , i'll try it ! :)
1135697591 M * Bertl LCamel: and feel free to hang around ...
1135697630 M * Roey Bertl:  yes, yes it is.
1135697640 M * Roey Bertl:  so I don't understand why it wasn't present on the netinst image.
1135697653 M * Roey Bertl:  if I could remaster the netinst image to contain megaraid... do you think that's possible>?
1135697679 M * Roey isn't it complicated to compile a new kernel module for a sepcific kernel version though?
1135697714 M * Roey OK
1135697716 M * Roey I'll brb.
1135697730 Q * Roey Remote host closed the connection
1135697806 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1135697963 M * FaUl boing
1135697964 M * FaUl huh
1135697974 M * Bertl okay, off for an hour or so ... back later
1135697979 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135697986 M * FaUl i finally got a linux-vserver capable vserver-kernel on my ultrasparc
1135697998 M * FaUl vserver building works fine
1135698009 M * Bertl_oO FaUl: testme.sh and testfs.sh
1135698027 M * FaUl Bertl_oO: where can i get it?
1135698465 M * FaUl ah got it
1135698558 M * Roey back.
1135698569 M * FaUl weltzentrale:~# bash testme.sh 
1135698569 M * FaUl Linux-VServer Test [V0.14] Copyright (C) 2003-2005 H.Poetzl
1135698569 M * FaUl chcontext is working.
1135698570 M * FaUl chbind is working.
1135698570 M * FaUl Linux 2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0 sparc64/0.30.209/0.30.209 [Ea] (0)
1135698572 M * FaUl VCI:  0002:0001 267 03000116
1135698575 M * FaUl ---
1135698577 M * FaUl [000]# succeeded.
1135698580 M * FaUl [001]# succeeded.
1135698582 M * FaUl [011]# succeeded.
1135698585 M * FaUl [031]# succeeded.
1135698587 M * FaUl [101]# succeeded.
1135698590 M * FaUl [102]# succeeded.
1135698592 M * FaUl [201]# succeeded.
1135698595 M * FaUl [202]# succeeded.
1135698597 M * FaUl looks god
1135698600 M * FaUl good 
1135698613 M * FaUl testfs is still running
1135698635 Q * Roey Remote host closed the connection
1135698684 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1135698823 M * FaUl uhm, what does testfs exactly do? it runs for some time now
1135698870 M * FaUl is it ok that it tries to create a ext2-fs on /dev/zero?
1135698927 M * FaUl that seems to me that that don't make sense :-)
1135699960 Q * emp Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135700031 J * emp ~emp@70.57.239.35
1135700274 Q * Milf Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org
1135700472 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1135700474 M * Bertl back now
1135700486 M * Bertl FaUl: there is a security protection on testfs.sh
1135700568 M * Bertl FaUl: otherwise folks would reformat their harddisk too easily :)
1135700605 M * Bertl FaUl: check out testfs.sh -h (and look at the device) you have to provide a loopback (256MB or larger) or some empty lvm/whatever partition
1135700631 M * Bertl FaUl: it will be reformatted with all filesystems (also make sure to have the respective mkfs.* tools available)
1135700652 M * Bertl FaUl: also run the testme.sh with -L option
1135700664 M * Bertl (and please, post the results on the ML)
1135701376 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1135701385 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1135701411 M * stefani hi.  
1135701577 M * Bertl stefani: how was xmas?
1135701590 M * Bertl (or whatever winter holidays you celebrate)
1135701610 M * stefani sunday was fine.  how was yours?
1135701636 M * stefani Bertl:   i am finding that bind9 is running better in a vserver than on a native machine. 
1135701687 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135701699 M * jeeves 'lo
1135701835 M * Bertl welcome jeeves!
1135701852 M * Bertl stefani: great, tx! let's hear about that bind9 miracle?
1135702058 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner, back later ...
1135702063 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135702096 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1135702098 Q * Vudumen Quit: 
1135702209 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1135702443 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1135703050 J * root ~root@200.68.116.133
1135703110 M * root q
1135703115 M * root quit
1135703116 M * root q
1135703117 M * root exit
1135703118 M * root ?
1135703124 M * jeeves type /quit
1135703132 M * root opps, sorry
1135703136 M * jeeves np
1135703151 M * jeeves or you can stay and talk about vservers
1135703171 M * root jee, it's ok, just that it's my first time with "ircii" :P
1135703185 M * jeeves well, welcome
1135703209 M * root actually I have something to discuss about vservers, would you like to ?
1135703302 M * jeeves sure,  I am new to vservers also, but I would love to discuss.   Bertl is the pro, but he is out eating dinner now.
1135703337 M * root ok... the thing is that I need to setup poptop inside a vserver, do you know what i'm talking about ?
1135703354 M * jeeves poptop?  sorry
1135703360 M * jeeves googling
1135703361 M * root its a pptp server
1135703372 M * root to have pptp vpn tunnels
1135703406 M * jeeves I see.  poptop.org
1135703412 M * root yeah !
1135703414 M * Bertl_oO hey root! it's kind of funny that you irc as root!
1135703420 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1135703442 M * root are you talking to me ??? :P
1135703465 M * root Hi Bertl !
1135703583 M * Roey ohhhhh
1135703622 Q * mep_ Quit: Leaving
1135703639 M * Roey oh, have Ich ever dealteth this System a most mortal blow
1135703646 M * Kara_ hi all
1135703646 M * Roey take THAT
1135703647 M * Roey debian.
1135703649 M * Roey psah.
1135703652 M * Roey *pshah.
1135703655 M * Roey Bertl:  heya
1135703674 M * Bertl hey Roey! Kara_!
1135703675 M * Roey Bertl:  listen, I reinstalled Etch onto an existing LVM LV and it bootsnow.  But with LILO.
1135703683 M * Roey Bertl:  I'll have to reinstall vserver to this now.
1135703713 M * Bertl good
1135703732 M * root Bertl, do you need some help installing vserver ;) ????
1135703760 J * marl_mobile ~matt@albacom.plus.com
1135703784 M * Bertl root: that's an interesting question! and a new one! :)
1135703800 M * marl_mobile hi there, did everyone have a good xmas?
1135703829 M * Bertl hey marl_mobile! yes, I guess so, except for those who celebrate other holidays :)
1135703850 M * Bertl marl_mobile: ah, and maybe matti, who is sick and had a HD failure :/
1135703851 M * root yes, I did !!!. It was great I had a loooooot of beer. great !!!
1135703942 M * root people, I have a question about vservers, would you like to listen ?
1135703957 M * Roey lot of beer eh?
1135703984 M * marl_mobile ok, i asked this before and no one could help, but ill ask again anyway (cus ive not found a solution yet!) i want to install vserver on a 2.6.9 kernel, now after googling a bit , ive found plenty of referances to vserver on 2.6.9 kernels, but i cant find a vserver kernel patch :( aperantly most were/are using vserver 1.9.3 patches but i cant find anywhere to download them, can anyone tell me were i can get these old versions as well as the latest to
1135703984 M * marl_mobile ols that will work with them?
1135703986 M * jeeves mmmmm beer
1135704020 M * root Yeah, I love warsteiner !!!
1135704025 M * marl_mobile well i had mead rather than beer, and kinda celibrated on the 21st rather than the 25th :)
1135704061 J * Schak schak@dslc-082-082-167-149.pools.arcor-ip.net
1135704071 M * Schak evening
1135704078 M * Bertl welcome Schak!
1135704082 M * root Hello Schak
1135704098 M * Bertl marl_mobile: I can easily point you to a patch, but let me first ask, why such an ancient kernel?
1135704141 M * Bertl root: well, maybe you try us by asking your question :)
1135704172 M * Schak i have a big fat problem with 2.6.12.6-vs2.0. approx each 50hrs the interface from a vserver gets deleted. the vserver is running. "vserver blah exec xyz" works. only the interface is missing and so the vserver isnt reachable from outside. can anyone help/confirm?
1135704236 M * Bertl Schak: well, no, that doesn't happen, but I might have an explanation for your issues
1135704255 M * marl_mobile cus its got some other patches in it that i cant port forward to 2.6.12 yet :( and i need them for the vpn software i run :(, id love to use 2.6.12 cus ive got that running on 5 other machines running vserver and its great, im about to re-format this laptop and put in vserver with 2.6.12, but this server needs the 2.6.9 kernel :(
1135704285 M * Bertl Schak: could the 'sudden dissapearance' of your interface be related to restarting some guests and/or removing certain IPs?
1135704312 M * Bertl marl_mobile: we are currently at 2.6.14.5 :)
1135704326 M * marl_mobile lol, ok ill put 2.6.14 on the laptop :D
1135704343 M * Schak Bertl: no, at this times, there is no activity on the host. no restarting, no rebooting, no crontabs.
1135704354 M * Schak no ssh connection
1135704378 M * Bertl Schak: sure about that? what about reboots from _inside_ the guests?
1135704413 M * Bertl Schak: or, maybe you use dhcp on the host, and the ip gets changed?
1135704480 M * Schak yes, there is running a dhcpclient on the host. but the ip is static and doesnt change. i have 2 guests and one is running perfectly. only the other has these problems with the interfaces.
1135704494 M * Bertl marl_mobile: http://www.13thfloor.at/vserver/d_rel26/v1.9.3/ but keep in mind, this was a pre-devel release
1135704528 M * Schak and the ip from the guests is also static, no dhcp-server on the host!
1135704534 M * Bertl Schak: ould you check for me (with 'ip addr ls') if both of the guest IPs are secondaries?
1135704540 M * Bertl *could
1135704564 M * Schak query?
1135704583 M * Bertl k
1135704620 M * Bertl marl_mobile: so there are a bunch of bugs/issues there we already fixed in the last year :)
1135704719 M * root people, I'm new to vservers. Do you know what bcapabilities do I have to use inside a vserver to run poptop (pptp daemon) inside a vserver ?
1135704751 M * root and what would be the risks of using them ?
1135704848 M * Bertl you can (probably) look on your host in /usr/include/linux/capability.h
1135704865 M * Bertl those are the capabilities used in bcapabilities
1135704893 M * FaUl boing
1135704937 M * root I know that it actually works with some of them, because I tried it enabling a lot, but I want to use the less
1135704947 M * FaUl Bertl: have you seen my pasted output from testme.sh?
1135704990 M * marl_mobile Bertl, is there a list of what those bugs are? and how they affect running vservers?
1135705003 M * Skram root: very bad idea to use root for irc.. its not /that/ bad, but eh
1135705014 M * Bertl FaUl: yes, have you read my responses?
1135705065 M * Bertl root: well, giving _any_ additional bcap lowers security
1135705114 M * root Bertl, Yes I know it, but perharps some of them are more dangerous than others
1135705130 M * Bertl yes, especially dangerous are all the ADMIN caps
1135705151 M * root caps_sys_admin ?
1135705158 M * Bertl for example ...
1135705166 M * root cap_net_admin 
1135705201 M * root if a vserver has cap_net_admin could it add IP addresses / interfaces ?
1135705251 M * root Skram: You're right, but I trust people here :P
1135705440 M * Skram hehe
1135705440 M * Skram Alrighty, bro.
1135705632 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135705636 M * Bertl root: yes, definitely
1135705637 M * Woschak hello
1135705641 M * Bertl hey Woschak!
1135705661 M * Bertl marl_mobile: check the changelogs since
1135705706 M * Bertl marl_mobile: http://linux-vserver.org/ChangeLog26
1135705827 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later (3-4 hours)
1135705834 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135705835 M * Woschak i'm confused. i talk with a colleague of me about virtual machines. he use xen and he mean it is better than vserver. another opinion is to favourite vserver
1135705853 M * Woschak what is the best way to find the right system?
1135705859 M * Bertl_oO Woschak: Xen and Linux-VServer are quire different
1135705864 M * Woschak aha
1135705881 M * Woschak hm...
1135705882 M * Bertl_oO Woschak: Xen has a kernel for each guest, Linux-VServer has a sngle kernel for all guest
1135705900 M * Woschak ok, thats i know
1135705906 M * Bertl_oO Woschak: Xen has strict resource separation, Linux-VServer is about efficient resource sharing
1135705933 M * Bertl_oO and finally, Linux-VServer can be run inside Xen
1135705939 M * Bertl_oO now really off ...
1135705948 M * Woschak hm...
1135705962 M * Woschak more confused
1135705964 M * Woschak :/
1135706071 M * Woschak ok, thx Bertl_oO
1135706140 M * harry confused?
1135706143 M * harry why confused?
1135706161 M * harry xen is machine in machine
1135706167 M * harry vserver is together using 1 machine
1135706213 M * harry less virtualisatoin, less overhead, but... less seperation
1135706219 M * harry mkay,... network sucks
1135706219 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1135706224 A * harry off to a presentation ...
1135706231 M * harry rfid tags... here i come
1135706233 M * harry cya'll
1135706272 M * Woschak ok, i made insecure which system i should use
1135706302 M * Woschak .oO(hm..., or: i am made insecure???)
1135706485 M * FaUl Bertl_oO: just looking for them :-)
1135706496 M * Roey HI
1135706499 M * Roey anyone here using Debian?
1135706506 M * Woschak yes
1135706509 M * Roey I want to make a new initrd using Debian's initrd as a template.
1135706520 M * Roey I looked in initrd recently using a loopback mount
1135706524 M * Roey and saw a buncha files in there.
1135706538 M * Roey My intention is to copy those files wholesale into /etc/mkinitrd
1135706548 M * Roey and hope mkinitrd manages to build a valid initrd.img.
1135706594 J * shedi ~siggi@213-140-22-77.fastres.net
1135706803 M * Roey Bertl_oO:  if my host is amd64, can I run vservers that are ida32 ?
1135706821 M * Roey Bertl_oO:  after all, they have their own ia32 libc's
1135706993 M * Roey Does my intention appear sane??
1135707585 M * jeeves That is an interesting question.  They are using the same kernel.  I think
1135707617 M * Roey jeeves:  right.  The kernel is em64t.
1135707635 M * Roey jeeves:  see, em64t/amd64 kernels can run ia32 code; it's the libCs that differ.
1135707704 M * jeeves Try it and see what happends
1135707942 M * Roey m'ok
1135707960 M * Roey btw
1135707961 M * Roey what is this
1135707963 M * Roey sink2:/etc/vservers# vserver mail start
1135707963 M * Roey vc_new_s_context(): Function not implemented
1135707963 M * Roey /proc/uptime can not be accessed. Usually, this is caused by
1135707963 M * Roey procfs-security. Please read the FAQ for more details
1135708046 M * jeeves Oh, I read that somewhere, hang on
1135708205 M * Roey I mean.. I'm also having trouble dpkging -i kernel-image-* (the kernel image I made with fakeroot make-kpkg binary)
1135708216 M * Roey because it wants to install it with lilo and I want to use grub instead.;
1135708218 M * Roey and then I said 
1135708234 M * Roey grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
1135708237 M * Roey but grub said:
1135708246 M * Roey Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
1135708246 M * Roey /dev/mapper/main-host does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
1135708249 M * Roey so what's going on??
1135708254 M * Roey I just want to use GRUB instead of LILO...
1135708283 M * derjohn Roey, use make-kpkg buildpackage .. 
1135708290 M * Roey how so?
1135708295 M * Roey I did
1135708299 M * Roey fakeroot make-kpkg binary
1135708303 M * Roey and then tried to dpkg -i that binary.
1135708314 M * Roey derjohn:  I should use the 'buildpackage' target instead?
1135708363 M * derjohn hm, yes this build all you need (4 .debs)
1135708373 M * derjohn Roey, and --initrd as option
1135708375 M * Roey OH
1135708378 M * Roey --initrd, ok.
1135708388 M * derjohn Roey, Debian uses inuitrd
1135708396 M * Roey will --initrd take care of making ann intird capable of booting / off LVM ???
1135708398 M * derjohn I can provide deb sif you like
1135708418 M * derjohn Roey, sarge or sid?
1135708435 M * Roey er
1135708436 M * derjohn sid -> apt-get install yaird ("initrd-foo")
1135708436 M * Roey etch actually
1135708440 M * derjohn hr hr
1135708441 M * Roey derjohn:  heh
1135708450 M * derjohn Roey, I dunno if yaird or initrd-tools
1135708452 M * derjohn in etch
1135708456 M * Roey it's in its own package.
1135708459 M * Roey I can download that though.
1135708459 M * Roey why
1135708463 M * Roey I can't do this using mkinitrd??
1135708481 M * derjohn hm,  mkinitrd is  part of "initrd-tools"
1135708491 M * Roey yup.
1135708498 M * Roey but why did you want to swtich me to yaird?
1135708504 M * derjohn but this had several flaws concerning boot from raid, autoprobing root fs etc
1135708513 M * Roey mkinitrd did?
1135708516 M * Roey so I shoudl use yaird??
1135708522 M * derjohn while some have been fixed, i would go for yaird
1135708524 M * derjohn a c k 
1135708525 M * Roey lessee...
1135708530 M * Roey (a c k) ?
1135708534 M * derjohn does you kernel run ?
1135708538 M * Roey 2.6.14.4
1135708544 M * Roey er.. it did before.
1135708545 M * derjohn ack = acknowledge == yes :)
1135708548 M * Roey before I reinstalled
1135708550 M * Roey :)
1135708552 M * Roey derjohn:  btw thanks so much
1135708565 M * derjohn ok, did you resolve the patch rejects?
1135708573 M * jeeves uptime error:  look at the startup script on this page to access the uptime.  http://vserver.strahlungsfrei.de/tiki-index.php?page=VServerGentooNew
1135708584 M * derjohn (vserver 2.1.0 does not apply 100% cleanly)
1135708628 M * Roey derjohn:  well it installed for me fine..
1135708639 M * derjohn eyes wide shut?
1135708639 M * Roey derjohn:  that is, after maybe one or two things
1135708641 M * Roey derjohn:  no
1135708656 M * Roey derjohn:  there were maybe one or two small issues but they had more to do with rejected patches to README
1135708662 M * derjohn Roey, yes, Makefile reject -> ignore ?
1135708666 M * Roey yeah.
1135708680 M * derjohn Roey, init -> banner -> put 4 lines in by hand
1135708689 M * Roey that I don't get.
1135708707 M * Roey the kernel is currently building anew.
1135708824 M * derjohn Roey: linux-vserver.derjohn.de -> just uploading a 2.6.14 from Debian (not Vanilla) prepatched and binary. just in case ;) It's BTW a signed deb, so you know from whom you get the trojan ;)
1135708834 M * derjohn Roey, linux-image-2.6.14-p3-vs2.1.0_10.01_i386.deb
1135708854 M * derjohn Roey, versions appended etc. works fine and gets nr. 1 in grub.conf :)
1135708903 A * derjohn must go now .... HF ... btw .. in the src arch there it a very little patch/howto if you get stuck later 
1135709765 M * Kara_ derjohn: thx :)
1135710035 M * FaUl Bertl_oO: looks bad
1135710047 M * FaUl with testfs.sh
1135710227 M * FaUl Bertl_oO: sorry, i'm just to stupid :-)
1135710398 J * meandtheshell ~itsmethem@85-124-37-239.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1135710483 N * monrad_ monrad
1135710570 M * FaUl hmhm
1135710581 M * FaUl weltzentrale:~# vserver chaosweb start
1135710581 M * FaUl wait(): No child processes
1135710583 M * FaUl wtf?
1135710899 M * Roey derjohn:  :)
1135710910 M * Roey doh, he left :(
1135710913 M * Roey derjohn:  you're gone?
1135712010 Q * root Quit: Leaving
1135712993 M * Woschak why get i no configuration file for the vserver than i build a vserver in /etc/vservers/vhost?
1135713104 M * Skram vhost being the vserver name?
1135713124 M * Woschak yes
1135713164 M * Woschak i got /etc/vservers/vhost/....
1135713172 M * Woschak but no vhost.conf
1135713458 M * Roey can GRUB work with LVM?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
1135713681 M * Skram how is this room about LVM?
1135713774 M * mnemoc vhost.conf is legacy, /etc/vservers/vhost/ is modern
1135713906 M * Woschak ah..., for each entry in vhost.conf i create a file with the value as content?
1135713972 M * Woschak i read the faq for dhcp in vserver (http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ --> Is DHCP possible in a vserver?)  
1135714120 M * mnemoc Woschak: http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1135714180 M * Woschak ok, i know the flower page :)
1135714202 M * Woschak the conf file is in vserver <2 ?
1135714812 J * Doener doener@i5387ECB9.versanet.de
1135714953 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-19-132.netcologne.de
1135715060 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135715393 J * spd1snd ~psingh@68-232-133-13.chvlva.adelphia.net
1135715754 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-029.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1135716018 Q * jeeves Quit: Leaving
1135716134 N * Woschak McAldo
1135716167 M * spd1snd ive followed the instructions on building a new FC4 vserver host machine... when i try to create a vserver though, i get a message saying that the public key for tzdata is not installed... does anyone have any tips for a workaround? ive tried "cp -a /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM* /etc/.distributions/.common/pubkeys/" but that doesnt seem to solve this for me. 
1135716432 N * McAldo Woschak
1135716610 M * Roey Skram:  GRUB doesn't work with LVM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1135716620 M * Roey Skram:  I just found it out a little whijle ago.
1135716622 M * Roey stupid grub.
1135716634 M * Doener and your keyboard seems to be broken ;)
1135716641 M * Roey Doener:  I'mjust being annoying :)
1135716643 M * Roey sorry :)
1135716649 M * Roey it's the caffeine.
1135716652 M * FaUl .oO( multiple exclamation marks are a clear sign of a desied mind )
1135716659 M * Skram Er, Okat
1135716659 M * Skram *Okay
1135716659 M * Skram !!!!!
1135716667 M * Roey :)
1135716671 M * Roey it's like this..
1135716681 M * Roey I've been working on vservers+lvm+grub+em64t for a while now
1135716684 M * Roey on this stupid poweredge 1850
1135716687 M * Roey oh, and bonding, too.
1135716704 M * Roey and like.. stuff just doesn't seem to want to play nicely with each other.
1135716713 M * Roey Now it turns out that grub won't work with lvm on /
1135716764 M * FaUl Roey: bonding causes lots of trouble
1135716776 M * Roey FaUl:  the bondinmg was the easiest part really :)
1135716780 M * FaUl finally got away from it
1135716789 M * FaUl Roey: which kind of bonding do you use
1135716794 M * Roey FaUl:  the hardest part was figuring out how to getthe recompiled kernel booting.
1135716796 M * Roey FaUl:  3.
1135716807 M * Roey FaUl:  (that is, 100% redundancy)
1135716832 M * FaUl Roey: hm, i personally used that 802.3ad stuff and it caused lots of trouble
1135716853 M * Roey oh? on what kinda hardware?
1135716857 M * FaUl i'm not quite sure wether the problem was the linux or the at-8324sx switch
1135716869 M * Roey btw here onthe dell poweredge 1850 there are two intel e1000 nics.
1135716875 P * meandtheshell 
1135716886 M * FaUl i tried it with 3 3com nics
1135716914 M * Roey oh
1135716915 M * Roey wow
1135716958 M * FaUl ok, i tried to use 802.1q over the bonding :-)
1135717343 M * Roey there is no QoS??
1135717350 M * Roey rather, QoS is flaky with bonding??
1135717517 J * meandtheshell ~itsmethem@85-124-37-239.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1135717672 Q * spd1snd Quit: spd1snd
1135718195 J * steinpt ~steinpt@17.84-48-64.nextgentel.com
1135718263 M * steinpt Anyone have any idea why an "strace -f db2start" would work and an "strace db2start" hangs? What's with the '-f' ?
1135718320 J * spencer tspencer@adara.cs.pdx.edu
1135718359 M * spencer With vserver, can I limit the number of file descriptors, memory, and CPU that a server uses or is that the domain of other projects like Xen?
1135718475 M * spencer Accourding to http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg10545.html, the answer is "not at all", but I wanted to confirm that.
1135719362 M * Woschak if here anyone (except Bertl) who knows the entries in the bcapabilities file to make possible a dhcp server in a vserver?
1135719373 M * steinpt OK, another question... Why am I missing the /dev/pts/0, 1, etc? /dev/pts is mounted.
1135719374 Q * mountie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135719388 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1135719550 Q * steinpt Quit: Leaving
1135720919 P * meandtheshell 
1135721038 J * meandtheshell ~itsmethem@85-124-37-239.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1135722784 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1135722789 M * Bertl evening folks!
1135722827 M * Woschak re Bertl :)
1135722833 M * Woschak next questions :)
1135722878 M * Bertl spencer: you _can_ limit all those resources .. to some degree even better than with Xen
1135722945 M * Bertl Roey: well, neither does lilo strictly speaking, you are 'just' lucky there :)
1135722955 M * Woschak Bertl: i read now the flower page and i need now the entry for the CAP_NET_RAW in the bcapatibilies file
1135722991 M * Woschak all infos which i found are for the conf file
1135723006 M * Bertl hmm, let me think, what about 'CAP_NET_RAW' then?
1135723043 M * Bertl (best placed in the bcapabilities files)
1135723078 M * Woschak oh..., for a dhcp server in vserver
1135723124 M * Woschak i read http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ --> Is DHCP possible in a vserver?
1135723138 M * Bertl yeah, yeah, you already know that you are lowering security (compared to a 'secure' guest) and so on
1135723173 M * mnemoc and ISC dhcpd is insecure per se :)
1135723194 M * Woschak dhcp should running in a guest system
1135723203 M * mnemoc client?
1135723206 M * mnemoc outch
1135723226 M * Bertl ah, you are talking about dhcp client or server?
1135723239 M * Woschak server
1135723245 M * Woschak for my network
1135723262 M * Bertl okay, well, should work with cap_net_raw I'd says
1135723265 M * Bertl *say
1135723320 M * Woschak ok. i must make an entry in bcapabilities?
1135723331 M * Bertl yep, that's it
1135723349 M * Bertl of course, restart the guest afterwards, so that the bcap is used
1135723372 M * Bertl (well, in general it's better to stop guests first, then change the config and restart afterwards)
1135723387 M * meandtheshell hi folks - sorry for meddling
1135723393 M * meandtheshell thing is 
1135723412 M * meandtheshell me and Woschak taked about that dhcpd thing bevore
1135723415 M * meandtheshell he wants
1135723445 M * Bertl yeah, feels like dejavu to me :)
1135723460 M * meandtheshell to run a dhcpd inside a guest but he does not know exactly what entry to make - and where to make them
1135723461 M * Woschak :)
1135723487 M * meandtheshell I've also not tried that until now but
1135723509 M * meandtheshell what we know is that ther need's to be an entry 
1135723515 M * meandtheshell in the 
1135723518 M * meandtheshell sec ...
1135723521 M * Bertl well, that's something, isn't it?
1135723537 M * meandtheshell not eought I guess ;)
1135723593 M * Bertl usually the best approach is to look at the error, not some solution ...
1135723614 M * Bertl and then, figure what is really needed, and fix/extend that
1135723644 M * Bertl soo, I assume you folks have one (or more :) guests with dhcpd installed, right?
1135723653 M * meandtheshell Bertl: ok - I dont know what he wanna do exactly 
1135723659 M * Woschak no
1135723665 M * mnemoc i have udhcpd inside guests on two clients
1135723686 M * Woschak i build a vserver named vhost0
1135723701 M * Woschak inside this i want to install a dhcp server
1135723701 M * mnemoc .oO( what a boring name )o
1135723714 M * Woschak is an example
1135723742 M * Woschak :)
1135723763 M * meandtheshell mnemoc: ok - so you're already running a dhcpd inside a guest - could you maybe paste your /etc/vserver/<vserver-name>/bcapabilities to pastebin?
1135723769 M * Bertl Woschak: well, that is basically what I said, yes?
1135723773 M * Woschak i think it need an entry in the bcapabilities file
1135723801 M * Woschak my bcapabilities is blank
1135723828 M * mnemoc just add CAP_NET_RAW in there
1135723864 M * Woschak not more?
1135723888 M * mnemoc _try_ it
1135723906 M * Woschak ok
1135723917 J * lonewolf1 ~lonewolff@host86-142-14-14.range86-142.btcentralplus.com
1135723936 M * mnemoc it wont bite you
1135723936 M * Bertl wb lonewolf1!
1135724005 M * Woschak the same error like yesterday
1135724035 M * Bertl okay, can we now proceed the way I suggested?
1135724040 M * Woschak No subnet declaration for eth1:v00 (0.0.0.0).
1135724048 M * mnemoc pff
1135724058 M * Woschak i declared a subnet in dhcpd.conf for this interface
1135724072 M * Bertl you did?
1135724079 M * Woschak yes
1135724101 M * Bertl could you upload the dhcpd.conf somewhere? (e.g. pastebin.com)
1135724107 M * Woschak subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
1135724127 M * mnemoc interface?
1135724150 M * Bertl doesn't look like it is searching for a 192.168.1.0 net, more a 0.0.0.0 net, no?
1135724206 Q * lonewolff Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135724259 M * Woschak ok. http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1953
1135724303 M * Woschak my dhcpd.conf
1135724316 M * Bertl 192.168.1.1 is your host?
1135724322 M * Woschak yes
1135724345 M * Bertl and how do the 10.10.10 addresses fit in?
1135724377 M * Woschak it is the dns from my provider
1135724398 M * Bertl i.c., okay, change the guest config to contain the following:
1135724415 M * Bertl in .../interfaces/0 
1135724432 M * Bertl 'ip' with contents '192.168.1.1'
1135724442 M * Bertl 'nodev' empty
1135724452 M * Bertl 'prefix' with contents 24
1135724461 M * Bertl (remove all other files there)
1135724504 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1135724512 M * Bertl welcome mef!
1135724530 M * mef got a box for you
1135724536 M * mef see /msg 
1135724537 M * Bertl Woschak: in the dhcpd startup script add the interfaces part
1135724540 M * Woschak ok, i removed the file name
1135724544 M * Bertl mef: excellent, tx!
1135724622 M * Woschak Bertl: the interface is eth1 and not eth1:v00 ?
1135724655 M * Woschak wow, it runs
1135724733 M * Woschak thank you Bertl
1135724782 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1135725032 M * Woschak so, now a test with my client
1135725038 M * Woschak co for a while
1135725048 Q * Woschak Quit: Und Tsch??ss ...
1135725239 M * spencer Bertl: Do you have a URL w/ info by chance?
1135725256 M * spencer ... about limiting resources.
1135725331 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1135725376 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Resource+Limits
1135725467 M * spencer Brilliant.  Thanks.
1135725483 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135725486 M * Woschak re
1135725495 M * Woschak it works fine :)
1135725498 M * Woschak thx Bertl
1135725511 M * Bertl spencer: if you have more (detailed) questions, just let me know ...
1135725540 M * Bertl Woschak: again, you're welcome!
1135725540 Q * Woschak Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135725558 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135725578 M * Woschak re
1135725581 M * Woschak ?
1135725613 M * michal_ hey Bertl, btw, next tiem you welcome somebody please put that gun down for a moment, you are scaring away people ;]
1135725613 M * Bertl wb Woschak!
1135725649 M * Bertl michal_: oh, why didn't you tell me earlier ...
1135725736 M * michal_ interesting - gentoo got new USE flag - "offensive". without it gentoo won't install potentially offensive and explict themes, backgrounds and screensavers that are installed by default in every other distro
1135725750 M * michal_ *political_correct*
1135725943 P * mef 
1135725977 M * Bertl sorry, we already had that in debian and mandrake, no?
1135725987 M * michal_ duno
1135726002 M * Doener btw, if anyone cares, i noticed that yum made it into debian testing (i.e. etch) so we might see easier rpm-based vserver creation on debian...
1135726014 M * Bertl wow, great news!
1135726029 M * Bertl and (a late) merry xmas!
1135726039 M * Doener thanks :) same to you
1135726068 M * Doener actually the package got added in october, but i just noticed when i updated my sister's box
1135726345 M * Bertl k, guess I'm off to bed ... pretty tired and have to get up early ...
1135726362 M * Bertl (doesn't mean that I'm not back in a few hours :)
1135726371 M * Bertl have a good one everyone ... cya!
1135726379 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1135726641 J * Marinus Marinus@ip503cfa01.speed.planet.nl
1135726912 M * Woschak cu
1135726917 Q * Woschak Quit: Und Tsch??ss ...
1135727230 P * meandtheshell