1135556952 M * ag- Bertl: is there any reason for arping not working on the vserver host?
1135557016 M * ag- not working = no reply as it used to reply before kernel patching, 2.6.14.4-vs2.01
1135557067 M * Bertl no, not really ...
1135557100 M * Bertl maybe you could do an strace -fF of the arping together with a tcpdump -vvnei and upload that?
1135557113 M * ag- Bertl: will do...
1135558360 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135558901 J * Marinus Marinus@ip503cfa01.speed.planet.nl
1135558945 M * Marinus hi
1135558974 M * Marinus I was wondering if it is possible to run the Plesk Reloaded control panel under a vserver?
1135559006 M * Bertl welcome Marinus! merry xmas!
1135559041 M * Bertl to answer your question, probably to some extend ...
1135559047 M * Marinus merry xmas to you too :-)
1135559094 M * Marinus what limitations would you expect?
1135559131 M * Bertl probably networking, as linux-vserver networking happens on the host (for now)
1135559164 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135559186 M * dothebart hy Johnnie 
1135559190 M * Marinus alright, that shouldn't be too much of a problem. I'm primarily looking for a good package to manage domains and mailusers
1135559230 M * Bertl well, unless the Plesk folks try to make it _not_ run on linux-vserver, there should be no real reason for issues
1135559254 M * Skram has plesk been tested on linux-vserver.org?
1135559280 M * Skram Personally, I wouldnt run it (using gentoo for the vpshost) but for some other projects...
1135559303 M * Bertl merry xmas Skram!
1135559311 M * Bertl well, let's ask google, shall we?
1135559333 M * Skram Channukah.. say it with me.. Ha-nu-kah :)
1135559348 M * Marinus the thing i'm wondering about is because Plesk themselves offer a vserver-like package virtuozo if it should work with linux-vserver as well.
1135559361 M * Bertl Skram: ah, no problem, happy Channukah then!
1135559364 M * Marinus The only thing i found in the mailing list were some old posts that people had trouble with it, hehe
1135559371 M * Bertl http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg08208.html
1135559378 M * dothebart http://www.suburbanhomeboy.com/flv/Hanukkah_Bird.swf
1135559384 M * Skram Well.. virtuozzo is like linux-vserver
1135559391 M * Skram i dont see them changing that anytime soon
1135559404 M * Skram i was talking about running plesk on a redhat-vps.. not the vpshost
1135559434 M * Skram unfortunately none of the control panels (with exception to webmin) work on gentoo.. but Id rather knowledgable customers/patrons anyways :)
1135559460 M * dothebart hm. isn't inittab inside of the vservers used?
1135559471 M * Bertl you can do that, if you run init
1135559485 M * Bertl (i.e. it's not required but possible)
1135559522 M * dothebart how would i? or how would i do better? ;-)
1135559546 M * Bertl use inittab?
1135559552 M * dothebart yep.
1135559569 M * dothebart i allso can't killall -HUP the init process...
1135559573 J * sebi_ ~sebi@Fccb5.f.strato-dslnet.de
1135559574 M * Bertl quite simple, if you have the initstyle set to 'plain' then init will be spawned inside
1135559593 M * Bertl if you use 'sysv' then there will be no separate init for the guest
1135559615 M * dothebart how would i add processes to be spawned from the outside into a guest?
1135559641 M * Skram what are you trying to do/
1135559646 M * Skram (just curious)
1135559654 M * Skram like have the host start something -inside- the vps?
1135559674 M * dothebart the default citadel installation method is to use inittab so far...
1135559676 Q * sebi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135559688 M * dothebart and i'd like to run the citadel server inside a vserver.
1135559713 M * Bertl well, if init is running inside the guest, it will spawn new entries in inittab for you
1135559715 A * Skram googles
1135559729 M * dothebart Skram: www.citadel.org
1135559754 M * dothebart Bertl: how would i make it start without running it inside?
1135559773 M * Bertl no I've lost you :)
1135559793 M * dothebart well, there is a process that behaves as if he were init?
1135559796 M * Skram dothebart: you only want the host to be able to spawn the process, not the user?
1135559812 M * dothebart uhm, what?
1135559814 M * Skram citadel is groupware, basically?
1135559818 M * dothebart yep.
1135559818 M * Bertl dothebart: no, either the host init blends through (sysv init style) or you have your own (a real init)
1135559825 M * Skram yeah.
1135559848 M * dothebart Skram: groupware growing out of a bbs bae ;)
1135559851 M * Marinus ok i'll go give plesk a try then! thanks for the advice
1135559858 M * Marinus i'm off to bed now tho, bye!
1135559860 M * Skram Marinus: why plesk?! aahh
1135559870 M * Bertl Marinus: k, good night!
1135559874 M * Skram read my lips, open-source... free :)..
1135559917 M * Bertl Skram: hey, proprietary backdoors and spyware have a place too :)
1135559929 M * Skram :)
1135559934 M * Marinus Skram; I tried out most CPs and Plesk seems the best (compared to Cpanel, ensim, etc.) and easiest to use for endusers
1135559939 M * dothebart hm. is plesk some kind of proprietary webmin? like that c* thing?
1135559948 M * Skram dothebart: indeedi-do
1135559953 M * Skram Bertl: hah
1135559965 M * Skram Well, I need to atleast make a panel so my users can restart their own vps.
1135559990 M * Skram i would need to have it on the vpshost.. and would probably just use php/perl
1135559995 M * Skram has anyone made such yet?
1135560007 M * Bertl there is a project OpenVPS .. don't know the status though
1135560021 M * Skram well, i use linux-vserver :)
1135560041 M * Bertl OpenVPS is a kind-of control panel for that :)
1135560048 M * Bertl (not FreeVPS :)
1135560064 M * Marinus dothebart; plesk is control panel that allows you to create new domains on a server easily, and lets users create mailboxes for these domains
1135560070 M * Skram I thought openvps was a engine, like linux-vserver
1135560085 M * Skram Marinus: you are running it inside a vps, right?
1135560090 M * dothebart so more like hm... sqwebmail?
1135560097 M * Bertl Skram: that's FreeVPS and OpenVZ
1135560103 M * Marinus skram, yeh, that's what i want to do
1135560147 M * Skram OpenVPS is a set of software built on top of the Linux VServer aimed specifically at Web Hosting 
1135560150 M * Skram heh
1135560153 M * Skram SWEET!
1135560157 M * Skram i may have to try this out..
1135560160 M * Marinus dothebart, a bit more extensive than that. they have a demo on their site; http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/plesk75reloaded/demo/
1135560166 M * Skram but i already have my own images..
1135560180 M * Bertl Skram: let me know about your findings (regarding OpenVPS)
1135560208 M * Bertl Marinus: just curious, but why not use Plesk with Virtuozzo?
1135560250 M * Marinus i think it's more expensive, although i could not find an exact price for virtuozzo on the plesk site
1135560275 M * Bertl well, it is definitely more expensive, as Linux-VServer is free :)
1135560287 M * harry Bertl: don't forget
1135560295 M * Skram Bertl: you are the main developer, right?
1135560297 M * harry it has a GREAT support team! (linux-vserver)
1135560301 M * Skram and Hollow does most of the utils?
1135560325 M * Marinus bertl, well yeh figures :-) And i have linux-vserver running now and I quite like it
1135560340 M * Loki|muh which capabilities do I need to get mount inside a guest working? echo secure_mount > ccapabilities wasn't enough. do I need binary_mount?
1135560344 M * Bertl Marinus: ah, good to hear, thanks for the answer!
1135560363 M * Bertl Skram: right (kernel side), Enrico and Hollow are doing the userspace tools
1135560385 M * harry and the rest... just fans :)
1135560388 M * harry (like me :))
1135560391 M * Bertl harry: thanks for the flower! (it's the community :)
1135560403 M * harry Bertl: add it to the flowerpage :p
1135560415 M * Loki|muh we're all loving linux-vserver :)
1135560461 M * Marinus I'll let you know what happens with plesk, i'm off now! bye
1135560462 M * Bertl good, so we continue that project :)
1135560468 A * harry only hopes his boss will allow me to keep using vserver
1135560470 Q * Marinus Quit: 
1135560476 M * harry and doesn't say i have to use xen or so
1135560488 M * Skram I really wish it was easier to limit user's RAM/CPU-Usage.
1135560500 M * Skram any insights?
1135560501 M * harry we need "some virtualisation soft"
1135560508 M * dothebart why must there be a dir under /var/lib/ that breaks tab auto completion?
1135560512 M * dothebart this sucks.
1135560545 M * dothebart can't it be debiantools-vserver or so?
1135560559 A * Skram shouts gentoo :)
1135560562 M * Bertl Skram: define users and RAM/CPU usage?
1135560576 M * harry dothebart: i just compile them myself
1135560581 M * Loki|muh hrhr, I changed the debian/rules for matching /vservers :)
1135560582 M * harry a lot easier/safer to upgrade
1135560583 M * dothebart i don't like to spend al my life compiling...
1135560606 M * harry we had one guy here, that had a gentoo
1135560606 M * Skram Bertl: Indeed.
1135560611 M * dothebart Loki|muh: probaby allso a good idea...
1135560614 M * harry his fdisk was totally fscked up
1135560641 M * Skram harry: Johnnie and I work together a lot... he is who turned me onto linux-vserver amoung other things.
1135560650 M * Skram (we both use gentoo on our servers..)
1135560668 M * Skram Bertl: is there an "easy" way to  define users and RAM/CPU usage?
1135560697 M * Bertl well, you can use the cpu scheduler and the limits to cotnrol that pretty fine, IMHO
1135560700 M * harry Skram: there are config files for that, yes
1135560722 M * Skram Bertl: Right.. but you limit by percentage of the cpu.. right?
1135560729 M * Skram harry: which ones again?
1135560737 M * Bertl Skram: no, its a little more flexible
1135560742 M * dothebart damn. what was that? [Mon Dec 26 02:32:36 2005] [error] [client 85.178.220.130] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://127.0.0.1:2000/webcit/
1135560747 M * harry don't know them by heart... but it's in the flowerpage
1135560752 M * harry (iirc)
1135560752 M * Bertl Skram: and it will get more features in the near future
1135560764 M * Skram http://linux-vserver.org/RESOURCE+LIMITS <-- didnt understand that too well.
1135560769 M * Skram Bertl: Yeah.
1135560786 M * Skram harry: ill go look at the flower page, eh
1135560801 M * Bertl Skram: but %cpu is one thing you can realize with it ...
1135560817 M * harry Bertl: btw. we didn't have aNY probs with the grsec + vserver kernel! :)
1135560877 M * Skram harry: talking about rlimits?
1135560887 M * Skram does anyone have an example config directory of rlimits?
1135560908 M * Skram erg, i have to go..
1135560912 M * Skram ill be back soon. :)
1135560918 M * harry yes
1135560924 M * Loki|muh Bertl: is SYS_ADMIN really needed for mounting from inside a vserver? aren't the ccapabilites sufficient?
1135560925 M * harry but i don't have a example config
1135560933 M * Skram yes.. examples? could you post them, or email mark@vpses.net?
1135560940 M * Skram okay, speak with you later.. peace all.
1135560995 M * Bertl Loki|muh: yes there are certain ccaps
1135561011 M * Bertl Skram: we have a sheduler page
1135561047 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Scheduler+Parameters
1135561080 M * Loki|muh Bertl: i set secure_mount secure_remount and binary_mount but I got permission denied when I try "mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys"
1135561094 M * Bertl Skram: if you put interval to let's say 100 and take fill rate as %, you should be fine
1135561112 M * Bertl Loki|muh: probably for good reason, you don't want sysfs inside a guest
1135561154 M * Bertl Loki|muh: or, to rephrase that, if you want that, CAP_SYS_ADMIN is probably fine too
1135561177 J * emp ~emp@70.57.239.35
1135561188 M * Bertl welcome emp! merry xmas!
1135561197 M * emp hey Bertl 
1135561204 M * emp thank you, merry xmas to you too!
1135561328 M * dothebart how do i best make a path visible under another vserver? 
1135561347 M * dothebart static linking outside the servers if they're on the same fs?
1135561383 M * Bertl please define path ...
1135561398 M * dothebart hm. i'd like to share /var/lib/citadel
1135561402 M * dothebart  /
1135561440 M * Bertl you can unify it into the guest (for example)
1135561454 M * dothebart caus' the webcit server with the static files from the packages are in the webcit package...
1135561467 M * Skram Bertl: i only have to define interval and fill?
1135561509 M * dothebart how' s the commandline? 
1135561524 M * Bertl Skram: well, you probably want to set max and min to reasonable values too, but jsut for % that should suffice
1135561543 M * Skram okay.. cool
1135561559 M * Loki|muh Bertl: okay thanks, I think I will sleep about it (if there's such a term in english) ;)
1135561593 M * Skram Bertl: okay; so.. what about Memory?
1135561596 M * Skram :)
1135561616 M * Bertl we have hard limits for RSS, VM and VML
1135561634 M * Skram er..
1135561636 M * Bertl no soft limits yet, but they will come sooner or later
1135561652 M * dothebart apropos unify
1135561653 M * dothebart msguniq (1)          - unify duplicate translations in message catalog
1135561658 M * dothebart this can't be it ;-)
1135561700 M * dothebart ah, the util-vserver docu.
1135561745 M * Bertl dothebart: there was a discussion on the ML regarding usage of vhashify (you might look in the archives)
1135561820 M * dothebart /usr/lib/util-vserver/vunify --manually <dst-path> <dst-excludelist> <reference-path> <reference-excludelist>
1135561841 M * dothebart is that it?
1135561872 M * Bertl for vunify yes, but vhashify is more advanced
1135561922 M * dothebart hm. i just like /var/lib/vservers/citadel/var/lib/citadel/ to be visible under the vserver /var/lib/vservers/apache ;-)
1135562081 M * dothebart /usr/lib/util-vserver/vunify --manually -nv /var/lib/vservers/citadel/var/lib/citadel/ "" /var/lib/vservers/apache/var/lib/citadel/ ""
1135562099 M * dothebart produces some way of usefull output...
1135562205 M * dothebart hm, but nothing happenes.
1135562220 M * dothebart well, i'll have a closer look at it tomorow.
1135562230 M * dothebart nite folks.
1135562241 M * Bertl good night!
1135562509 M * emp how should I use SNAT with a dynamic IP, since MASQ does not work for me.  My main goal is for it to work w/o having to tweak it after a reboot or something of that nature..
1135562548 M * Bertl there is a script which is executed whenever you get a new dynamic IP
1135562567 M * Bertl you should add the SNAT rule to that one (and remove the old before=
1135562591 M * emp ahh, right...  hmmm
1135562605 Q * Johnnie Quit: G'bye!
1135562674 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135562727 Q * Johnnie Quit: 
1135563421 M * Skram hm.. google linux-vserver and see what comes up on the side
1135563446 M * Skram google is "hiring"
1135563468 M * Bertl hmm, I get Xen as sponsored link
1135563483 M * Skram i get a google ad by google too
1135563501 M * Skram it may be a regional ad..
1135563501 J * mep__ mep@p5091B6D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135563515 M * Skram Know vserver linux?
1135563515 M * Skram Google seeks Linux systems gurus -
1135563515 M * Skram Apply for a job with Google!
1135563516 M * Skram www.google.com/jobs
1135563520 M * Skram thats what it says
1135563521 M * Skram oh well
1135563536 M * Bertl ah, well :)
1135563570 M * Bertl after all they make 95% of their money with ads
1135563588 M * Skram yeah
1135563599 M * Skram my company has some ads on there.. for testing and seeing if it works
1135563612 M * Skram we have gotten some hits.. no customer signups from google however
1135563935 Q * mep_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135563937 M * Skram anyone thought of upgrading linux-vserver to a more user-friendly wiki?
1135563956 M * Skram we would galdly provide a website-mirror or vps for you all..
1135563984 M * Bertl well, there are a few things to consider ...
1135564004 M * Bertl - first, what is a more user-friendly wiki
1135564026 M * Bertl - second, how to get similar features without additional work (like wiki ML and such)
1135564057 M * Bertl - third, mirroring should be smart, i.e. editing can be distributed and/or automatically ends up on the main site
1135564083 M * Bertl - and finally, contents has to be migrated
1135564090 M * Skram well, i have a mirror of get-e.org
1135564099 M * Skram and we just rsync every hour.
1135564108 M * Skram Bertl: mediawiki is extremely nice.
1135564111 M * Skram It is what wikipedia uses.
1135564120 M * Skram as far as ML, im not sure what you all use.
1135564125 M * Bertl yes, I know .. already considered it ...
1135564132 M * Skram There isnt /that/ much data.. so it shouldnt be that hard
1135564145 M * Skram i am just throwing idea out there.
1135564212 M * Bertl let me put it like this, if you want to put some efford into it, then let's try it out ... if not, we can live with what's there (and atm I prefer to spend my time on coding :)
1135564228 M * Skram i would rather you be coding too :)
1135564232 M * Skram haha
1135564239 M * Skram Well, I may play around.. and show you
1135564262 M * Skram does linux-vserver have a logo or slogan?
1135564265 M * Skram just curious
1135564288 M * Bertl not yet, something folks 'wanted' to do some time ago, but was never done/finished
1135564335 M * Bertl there were some ideas what could be done though ...
1135564342 M * Bertl and there is the 'original' slogan 
1135564345 M * Skram do you want 'this' to be done, or could you "care less"
1135564362 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135564380 M * Bertl Skram: I'd appreciate a logo or such, but I won't spend time on it right now
1135564386 M * Skram yeah, of course.
1135564407 M * Bertl let me dig out the ideas/suggestions :)
1135564413 M * Skram Nah, I was just suggesting a slightly more user friendly site.. but its not a big deal
1135564466 M * Bertl could you elaborate on the 'user-friendly' part? because I consider tavi quite user-friendly ...
1135564498 M * Skram Er, lemme think of how to explain it
1135564618 M * Bertl well, if you say that the structure is complicated and the text could need a brushup, I'm on your side ... but how would that change with mediawiki?
1135566186 M * Skram erm, yeah
1135566196 M * Skram you are right
1135566266 M * Bertl nevertheless, I'm pretty much pro-mediawiki
1135566445 M * Skram Well, I have time to contribute.. so if you need anything done, other than actual coding, holla :)
1135566471 M * Skram I think it would help the look, and possibly make it more organized.
1135566497 M * Skram But, never-the-less, the current site is very informative
1135566502 M * Bertl haven't had the time to look into media wiki, so you might do that for me and answer a few questions and/or request I'd have ...
1135566523 M * Bertl maybe even do a simply sandbox setup, so that we can evaluate it
1135566525 M * Skram Ive used it a couple of times...
1135566536 M * Skram sure, i will setup a media wiki on my server for you all.
1135566539 M * Skram No problem-o.
1135566559 M * Skram itll be ls.serv.vpses.net when I have it ready
1135566565 M * Bertl there are a few things I want to make sure, for example that certain elements can be disabled (like images and such)
1135566572 M * Skram Yeah
1135566580 M * Bertl well, at least for the typical user
1135566601 M * Bertl but I want to keep it open (as it is now)
1135566606 M * Skram Indeed.
1135566649 M * Bertl but as I said, mediawiki seems quite nice for that purpose ... 
1135566654 M * Skram Indeed.
1135566660 M * Skram Ill setup a sandbox right now
1135566665 M * Bertl okay, great!
1135566675 M * Skram I havent installed it in a while
1135566700 M * Skram its in portage :)
1135566713 M * Skram do you want your own vps, or just a sandbox mediawiki install?
1135566781 M * Bertl whatever is easier for you, the first approach is to figure/test a few things
1135566795 M * Skram alrighty
1135566804 M * Bertl we probably need to refine it and add/modify a few things on the way ...
1135566835 M * Bertl for example, I added the wiki ML functionality to tavi (so if something like that is missing, we need to add it)
1135566841 M * Skram yeah
1135566846 M * Skram well it has it's own ML
1135566861 M * Bertl with the changes? good!
1135566868 M * Skram which changed?
1135566871 M * Skram im not too sure
1135566873 M * Skram ill have to check
1135566876 M * Skram we shall see
1135567121 M * Bertl btw, the 'main' page and http://linux-vserver.org/Resource+Limits would be a good test (to transfer)
1135567152 J * Cru ~mindwarp@bastardrouterfromhell.e.de.wahlich.com
1135567155 M * Cru morning
1135567180 M * Bertl welcome Cru!
1135567200 M * Cru moin bertl
1135567405 M * Skram Bertl: confirm receipt of my private messagess when you get a chance
1135567829 M * Skram http://ls.serv.vpses.net/ - omg hax
1135567837 M * Skram i have to config some stuff, but its installed :|
1135567909 M * Bertl great!
1135567946 M * Skram i need to go work on something else
1135567953 M * Skram i gave you the super user pass, etc.
1135567960 M * Skram ill talk to you soon, sorry i must go for a bit.
1135567968 M * Skram i look forward to speaking with you (all) later.
1135567970 M * Bertl np ...
1135568018 M * Bertl I make a list of things I don't like :)
1135572104 M * Cru bbl
1135572119 Q * Cru Quit: use Unices; $live->free() || die;
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1135575548 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1135575559 M * Bertl morning balbir!
1135576728 M * Bertl night everyone .. cya tomorrow!
1135576741 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1135594184 M * PyskoT ONION!
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1135594237 M * derjohn PyskoT, Onionrouting?
1135595226 N * lonewolf1 lonewolff
1135595643 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135595647 M * Woschak hello
1135595724 M * dothebart morschen.
1135595754 M * Loki|muh moin
1135596009 J * shedi ~siggi@213-140-22-77.fastres.net
1135599297 Q * Woschak Quit: Und Tsch??ss ...
1135599562 M * Eyck l8r
1135599563 Q * Eyck Quit: leaving
1135599691 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135599844 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1135600117 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1135600211 Q * Birmaan Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135600396 Q * eyck Quit: 
1135601568 J * pjanzen ~pjanzen@213.197.251.180
1135601593 M * pjanzen Hi all ....
1135601602 N * pjanzen paul
1135601624 N * paul paulJ
1135601710 M * paulJ I have a question about vserver and a pub + priv network ....
1135601757 M * paulJ The priv net is attached to my vserver but i cant get a connection to the internet, i can however ping my router just fine
1135601795 M * derjohn paulJ, you may habe to NAT on the host ...
1135601814 M * paulJ hhmm, That i was afraid of ... :)
1135601820 M * derjohn http://linux-vserver.org/some_hints_from_john -> bottom
1135601833 M * derjohn iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s $VSERVER_NETZ ! -d $VSERVER_NETZ -j SNAT --to $EXT_IP
1135601837 M * paulJ going to check that out ...
1135601930 M * paulJ that way i dont need any extra routing options do I?
1135601979 M * derjohn paulJ, hm, you mean ip_forwarding? with NAT i don't _THINK_ so, but I am nor sure, so you may enable ip_forwardijg in /proc
1135601982 M * derjohn (test=
1135601983 M * derjohn )
1135601999 J * renihs ~renihs___@193.170.52.70
1135602040 M * paulJ derjohn, Going to play with this info, thnx for the pointer... Have a great 2e Xmas day ...
1135602078 Q * paulJ Quit: BitchX: its how steak is done
1135602105 M * derjohn paulJ,  xmas? ah, yeah, I forgot ;) Have Fun with VS2.0 :) Is your kernel already runnning?
1135602515 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135603076 A * dothebart looks out of the window over snowy berlin.
1135603192 M * dothebart derjohn: is there a patch for that 'local whole' yet?
1135603271 M * Woschak may i use dhcp server in a vserver?
1135603313 M * meebey morning
1135603313 M * dothebart ls
1135603313 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135603315 M * dothebart ups.
1135603333 M * meebey for some reason the /etc/fstab is not written anymore, AFAIK it was written at vserver start?
1135603350 M * meebey thus tools like "df" become anoying saying it can't read the mounted partitions
1135603402 M * Woschak the dhcp server should listen at interface eth1:v00 in a vserver. is this possible?
1135603403 M * derjohn dothebart, ls -l ... :) ... what do you mean by 'local whole' ?
1135603431 M * dothebart derjohn: the rumors about outbound connection overflow by opening too much port...
1135603433 M * derjohn meebey, you mean fstab in a guest?
1135603434 M * dothebart s
1135603450 M * derjohn dothebart, /me gets afraid .. I didnt hear ... 
1135603454 M * meebey derjohn: yes
1135603478 M * derjohn meebey, AFAIK wasnt written ever ... or are you refrring to mtab ?
1135603481 M * dothebart http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67760
1135603508 M * meebey derjohn: ups probably :)
1135603512 M * meebey derjohn: mtab is empty
1135603522 M * derjohn dothebart, explicitly found at Kernel-Version 2.4.22 + 2.6.12
1135603536 M * meebey derjohn: it had fake entries /dev/hdv1 or stuff like that
1135603545 M * derjohn dothebart, I use 2.6.14 Debian (experimental) .. I HTH :/
1135603547 M * dothebart yep, but not proved if not wrong in newer versions too...
1135603563 M * derjohn dothebart, Yes good to mention. I also read that in heise
1135603579 M * meebey derjohn: it could be the current vserver utils, with that new config structure, maybe I need to set something
1135603591 M * dothebart just proven to work in those versions, but not said to be fixed in the others.
1135603593 M * meebey the old tools did that by default AFAIK
1135603618 M * derjohn dothebart, I dunno if there is a patch. If a patch is out we can be sure that there are exploits out too (the patch referrs to the hole )
1135603668 M * dothebart well... the exploit would be while /bin/true; do telnet foo & ; done
1135603670 M * derjohn dothebart, I have to lear for xmas-foo  towards nuermberg now. Could you ask betl if e knows more than we know?
1135603674 M * dothebart i think...
1135603688 M * dothebart yep. if i meet him...
1135603693 M * meebey has Bertl to pay a fee for using the trademark Linux? :)
1135603711 M * meebey I see its saying "Linux VServer Project" on the page :-P
1135603717 M * dothebart derjohn: are you comming to 22c3?
1135603728 M * derjohn meebey, we call it inuxbertl to avoid that 
1135603751 M * meebey derjohn: hehe
1135603751 M * derjohn dothebart, sry, nope. but friends of mine do.
1135603773 M * derjohn meebey, better than atbasch and davinci code ;)
1135603773 M * dothebart ok. else we could have met...
1135603829 M * derjohn dothebart, yes, I would really like to ... the only vserver I know people going there is .. hmm .-.. cemil and maybe kara
1135603839 M * meebey derjohn: afaik only companies (profit) have to pay the fee, else all poor FOSS hackers would be even more poor :-P
1135603874 M * derjohn meebey, I know. But the feed is low anyway
1135603903 M * meebey derjohn: didn't they just rise it?
1135603913 J * infowolfe jthm@66-230-102-182-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1135603917 M * derjohn meebey, and: df -h must work in vserver  guests. You may set a limited value with vdlimit
1135603938 M * meebey derjohn: df doesnt work because /etc/mtab is empty
1135603952 M * dothebart hm, shouldn't a vserver configure an ip if it's not yet configured on start itself?
1135603960 M * meebey derjohn: its 2.4.29-vs1.2.9 with almost current vserver-utils
1135603968 M * derjohn meebey, I must rise now ... OMG ... I getting to late to after - xmas to my daddy ... "I'll be back" 
1135603971 M * derjohn bye2all
1135603982 M * dothebart bye derjohn 
1135603983 M * meebey bye derjohn
1135603991 M * derjohn dothebart, maybe you can initiaate a #vserver usermeeting on ccc ?
1135604017 M * dothebart hm, well, if /me as newbe is enabled to do so ;-)
1135604374 T * dothebart meet on 22c3? ask dothebart |http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.01, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0 | util-vserver-0.30.209 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;)  
1135604452 N * FaUl_ FaUl
1135607234 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1135610532 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1135610536 M * Bertl morning folks!
1135610629 M * Loki|muh moin Bertl 
1135610858 M * Bertl hey Loki|muh! everything fine?
1135610874 M * dothebart Bertl: derjohn meinte ich sollte dich hierzu fragen: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/67760
1135610882 M * dothebart ups;)
1135610956 M * Loki|muh Bertl: yeah, atm trying to get a nfs-user-server running, but I have to kick the portmapper I think (sometimes I hate the things the debian-maintainer make)
1135611055 M * Bertl dothebart: well, sockets can be limited :)
1135611103 M * Loki|muh uh, I think it is my fault, not the maintainers *g*
1135611107 M * dothebart for vservers?
1135611253 M * Bertl dothebart: yep, sure ...
1135611317 M * Bertl (although all the limits have not had a good testing recently, but I'm optimistic that somebody would have reported it if the limit didn't work)
1135611572 M * dothebart ah, cool.
1135612250 J * kavorka ~mike@69-161-69-17.bflony.adelphia.net
1135612285 P * kavorka 
1135612493 M * Loki|muh uhm... I have some problems with setting up a nfs-server inside a guest. the portmapper is complaining about SIOCGIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address. 
1135612519 M * Loki|muh the wiki says that the nfs-user-server should work, but how could it work without portmapper?
1135612568 M * Bertl what address is the portmapper trying to assign?
1135612616 M * Loki|muh 192.168.77.89
1135612621 M * Loki|muh which is the ip of the guest
1135612642 M * Loki|muh connect from 192.168.77.89 to set(portmapper): request from non-local host
1135612655 M * Bertl that is a configuration issue
1135612673 M * Bertl you have to configure the portmapper to allow non-local (guest ip) traffic
1135612774 M * Woschak Bertl: may i use a dhcp server in a vserver?
1135612792 M * Bertl Woschak: yes, sure, it just doesn't make too much sense
1135612842 M * Woschak hm..., i've trouble to bind dhcp on a virtual interface
1135612866 M * Bertl there are no virtual interfaces, so that is not unexpected :)
1135612954 M * Woschak i have eth1:v00 in the vserver and the dhcp server should listen at it
1135612982 M * Bertl dhcp is _not_ ip based
1135612999 M * Bertl dhcp is a protocol which can not be done over IP aliases
1135613010 M * Bertl you can only use the interface eth1 for that
1135613038 M * Bertl you might use a vlan interface eth1.10 for example
1135613190 M * Woschak ok, i start dhcp server listen at eth1. the error message in syslog is: Open a socket for LPF: Operation not permitted
1135613212 M * Bertl yep, because again, it opens the socket in a non-ip fashion
1135613231 M * Bertl you have to give at least the CAP_NET_RAW capability to allow non-ip protocols
1135613260 M * Bertl (which, in turn will allow the guest to create arbitrary packets and listen to network traffic)
1135613341 J * SixthSeal XeroGuest@ACA4BC58.ipt.aol.com
1135613346 M * SixthSeal What's Up
1135613352 M * Bertl welcome SixthSeal!
1135613365 M * SixthSeal dang scripts lol
1135613375 M * Bertl yeah, right! :)
1135613390 M * SixthSeal oh wow a real person cool
1135613403 M * Bertl no, just a very smart script! :)
1135613442 M * SixthSeal ::feels embaresed:: i realy do hope im not talking to a bot
1135613463 M * Bertl hmm .. 
1135613491 M * SixthSeal hmm ..
1135613499 M * Bertl how do I know that you're not a bot?
1135613507 M * SixthSeal easy you dont
1135613519 M * Bertl k, so how does it matter?
1135613539 M * SixthSeal i guess it dont as long as your a fun bot to talk to
1135613557 M * Bertl great, so: What's up?
1135613562 M * SixthSeal Nothin Much you?
1135613580 M * SixthSeal whats the subject of this room btw?
1135613592 M * Bertl see topic 
1135613600 M * SixthSeal 22c3?
1135613604 M * Bertl (well, at least the second part)
1135613606 M * Woschak Bertl: i have no savvy what you mean :/ i read again :)
1135613628 M * Bertl Woschak: dhcp is not ip based, so it requires raw access to the sockets
1135613637 M * SixthSeal all i know i typed irc and anarchist into google and pulled this up lol
1135613639 M * Bertl SixthSeal: Linux-VServer
1135613659 M * Bertl SixthSeal: a very cool virtualization technique
1135613683 M * Woschak that i have understand but i have don't know how i solved it
1135613689 M * Bertl SixthSeal: allows you to run hundreds of linux distros on a single physical machine
1135613703 M * Woschak s/have//
1135613708 M * Bertl Woschak: add CAP_NET_RAW to the bcapabilities of your guest
1135613720 M * SixthSeal okay geting to technical for me lol
1135613725 M * Bertl Woschak: (and be aware that this reduces security)
1135613736 M * Woschak hm...
1135613757 M * Bertl SixthSeal: well, you know linux?
1135613763 M * SixthSeal all i know is alkaline metals are fun
1135613768 M * Woschak is it better to install the dhcp server into the host system?
1135613778 M * SixthSeal peace out
1135613780 P * SixthSeal 
1135613867 M * Bertl Woschak: that's what I meant with doesn't make too much sense
1135613886 M * Bertl Woschak: especially as the dhcp has to _know_ about _all_ networks
1135613966 M * Woschak ok
1135613996 M * Woschak thx for the moment :)
1135614059 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1135614738 M * Loki|muh hum: < daniel_hozac> portmap is broken in vservers. @ 2005-08-18/#vserver
1135614775 M * Loki|muh may I assume that this hasn't changed since?
1135614775 Q * Woschak Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135614826 J * Woschak ~Woschak@83-169-157-250-dynip.superkabel.de
1135614838 M * Bertl Loki|muh: you may assume that this is valid for some portmaps
1135614859 M * Bertl Loki|muh: linux-vserver can not do anything for/against broken portmaps
1135614893 M * Loki|muh sorry I don't want to blame vserver for this
1135614928 M * Bertl the ngnet will probably provide an environment which is more suited to what some portmaps might assume
1135614958 M * Bertl but you have the portmap source, so if it isn't configurable, you can change that
1135615005 M * Loki|muh use the source, luke :)
1135615960 M * Woschak Bertl: for a better understanding. it is unsecure to run a dhcp server into a vserver?
1135615990 M * Bertl not less secure than on the host
1135616033 M * Bertl i.e. it does not reduce security (compared to the host) but it also doesn't give you a secure environment as a secure guest would
1135616146 M * Woschak ok, thx, i am away for a while
1135616370 J * meandtheshell ~itsmethem@85-124-13-98.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1135616509 M * meandtheshell hi folks - I've got a question: what is better/more secure - running a dhcpd inside a Vserver or on the host?
1135616552 M * Bertl hmm, seems we had that question a few minutes ago :)
1135616589 M * meandtheshell right - that guy told me it's better to run a dhcpd on the host. - why?
1135616635 M * Bertl let me put the 'security' like this:
1135616675 M * Bertl (on host) <= (on guest) <= (normal guest)
1135616693 M * Bertl where we could make the second less or equal a less
1135616718 M * Bertl the guest will require CAP_NET_RAW for non-ip protocols (as dhcp is)
1135616747 M * meandtheshell right - thats what the FAQ told me
1135616881 M * Bertl yes, this cap will allow the guest to create arbitrary packets (like the host) and listen (sniff) to network traffci
1135616902 M * Bertl you still get the process isolation, but it doesn't make sense to 'restrict' dhcp to IPs
1135616918 M * meandtheshell ok - I think that answered my question regarding security Issue- is there a generall suggestion where a dhcpd should run (guest or host)
1135616918 M * Bertl dinnertime, back in half an hour ...
1135616942 M * Bertl no, but IMHO the host makes less troubles
1135616949 M * meandtheshell ok - thank's ;-)
1135616959 M * Bertl (as dhcp has to know about all entworks to work)
1135616972 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135617551 J * monrad_ ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1135617654 Q * monrad Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135617729 Q * renihs Remote host closed the connection
1135617774 N * Greek0_ Greek0
1135618220 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1135618284 M * Loki|muh Bertl: when setting /etc/vservers/vserver-name/interfaces/iface/name, nothing changes inside the guest for me. is this option deprecated?
1135618288 M * Bertl back now
1135618308 M * Loki|muh welcome back
1135618345 M * Bertl no, you are supposed to stop athe guest _before_ you make changes there, then restart it (the guest will get an alias instead of a normal IP)
1135618378 M * Bertl (given that there is a 'dev' entry and no 'nodev' one )
1135618452 M * Loki|muh ah
1135618472 M * Loki|muh and inside the name file there should be eth0:0 e.g.
1135618583 M * Loki|muh oh name is concatenated
1135618635 M * Loki|muh but it works now, thank you Bertl 
1135618656 M * mnemoc .oO( why people use those deprecated aliases these days?? )o
1135618698 M * Loki|muh to get deprecated software to work
1135618712 M * mnemoc yuck
1135618775 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1135618897 M * Bertl yeah, just removing legacy code from 2.0 patches would get rid of 20-30%
1135619382 M * Loki|muh problems, software or users? *g*
1135619418 M * Bertl lol, code lines :)
1135619426 M * FaUl lol
1135619457 M * FaUl Bertl: i wonder wether vserver is stable on ultrasparc - you will get lot of bug-reports from me if not :-)
1135619499 M * Bertl I hope so, last time I tested it did work quite fine
1135619530 M * Bertl but 2.0 was not tested on sparc at all, as I had no machine available ...
1135619532 M * FaUl sounds great :-)
1135619552 M * FaUl hm, you may get an account on our mashine if you need :-)
1135619567 M * Bertl espeically sparc64/32 compatibility would be interesting
1135619584 M * Bertl (it should work, at least in theory :)
1135619610 M * FaUl Bertl: i'm going to set up our box tomorrow
1135619628 M * Bertl good, keep me updated ...
1135619633 M * FaUl it'll run on debian sarge - with 2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0 i hope
1135619651 M * FaUl (its dual-ultrasparc-II-300
1135619653 M * FaUl )
1135621392 M * Bertl sounds good ...
1135621497 J * Viper0482 ~Viper0482@p549755D5.dip.t-dialin.net
1135622247 M * Loki|muh http://linux-vserver.org/NFS+and+portmap I added a page concerning this portmap issue, maybe someone likes to review it and correct me if there are some faults ;)
1135622436 Q * ntrs Quit: Leaving
1135622539 M * Bertl Loki|muh: try to add 127.0.0.1 as first IP address for the guest
1135622554 M * Bertl Loki|muh: that further reduces security, but might work around the issue
1135622564 M * Bertl (127.0.0.1 as nodev)
1135623285 M * Woschak cu
1135623287 Q * Woschak Quit: Und Tsch??ss ...
1135624576 M * Loki|muh Bertl: how does adding 127.0.0.1 reduce security?
1135624610 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1135625082 M * Bertl Loki|muh: well, you can then actively sniff on localhost connections
1135625102 M * Bertl (and or reach the host)
1135625320 M * Loki|muh Bertl: as long as only one vserver has 127.0.0.1 added this won't be a security issue, will it? (if the host does only ssh)
1135625334 Q * Johnnie Quit: G'bye!
1135625344 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135625367 M * Bertl if there are no services on the host binding/communicating over 127.0.0.1/lo, then no
1135625393 M * Loki|muh okay
1135626577 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1135626591 M * Bertl merry xmas lilo!
1135626620 M * FaUl *boing*
1135626901 M * Hollow hellas
1135626962 M * Hollow Bertl: i've posted the vserver release on planet gentoo this morning, along with the survey
1135626970 M * Bertl hey Hollow! merry xmas!
1135626988 M * Hollow merry xmas to you too ;)
1135627089 M * Bertl Hollow: great!
1135627201 J * liquid3649_ ~Viper0482@p549758AC.dip.t-dialin.net
1135627291 M * Bertl welcome liquid3649_!
1135627540 M * Hollow btw, for all Gentoo users, the survey is at http://dev.croup.de/survey/survey.php?uid=243afa1992cbee (i also sent this to the ML)
1135627602 A * FaUl uses gentoo on his desktop, but without vserver there
1135627620 M * Hollow too bad :)
1135627630 Q * Viper0482 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135627637 M * FaUl my servers are times to slow for gentoo :-)
1135627640 M * Bertl hmm, per context quota is a trick question :)
1135627666 M * Hollow well..
1135627677 M * Hollow :)
1135627724 M * Hollow imo even non-gentoo users can answer to the survey
1135627737 M * Bertl glad that you say that :)
1135628028 M * Hollow Bertl: i miss gentoo in your answers :P
1135628060 M * Bertl well, I have to be hones, no? :)
1135628064 M * Bertl *honest
1135628073 M * Hollow indeed ;)
1135628102 M * FaUl how can i find out my version of util-vserver?
1135628114 M * Hollow vserver --version
1135628126 M * FaUl ah got it
1135628128 M * FaUl yes :-)
1135628132 M * FaUl 2.30.207 :-)
1135628142 M * FaUl 0.30.207 even
1135628156 M * FaUl what is unification?
1135628225 M * mnemoc hardlink the same file on different guests
1135628235 M * mnemoc to save space
1135628238 M * FaUl ah, ok
1135628250 M * Hollow FaUl: http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-06
1135628253 M * FaUl i guess everyone is using this since it is supported, isn't it?
1135628264 M * Hollow i don't use it
1135628265 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1135628269 M * mnemoc neither do i
1135628289 M * FaUl ah
1135628366 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135628540 M * FaUl i'm not quite sure how to use this
1135628559 M * FaUl does it work without any special things to do just automagically/
1135628609 M * Bertl with the devel release 2.1.0 yes (just use vhashify and make sure that link breaking is enabled)
1135628658 M * FaUl wow, ok, then i 'll use this on the ultrasparc...
1135628730 M * Bertl keep in mind, it's development (i.e. not considered stable yet)
1135628752 M * Bertl but you can ask Aiken (when he's around) he tested it on alpha
1135628773 M * FaUl Bertl: yes, but i can cry on irc if something won't work :-)
1135628794 M * Bertl sure you can :)
1135629055 M * FaUl Bertl: thats what you want, isn't it?
1135629076 M * Bertl definitely! well not the cry part, but the feedback :)
1135629087 M * FaUl hehe
1135629716 J * Adrinael adrinael@hoasb-ff09dd00-79.dhcp.inet.fi
1135630012 Q * liquid3649_ Remote host closed the connection
1135630850 M * Bertl welcome Adrinael!
1135631017 M * Adrinael Hello
1135631171 J * kjo ~krischan@csd-ip-139-7-60-20.vodafone-net.de
1135631184 M * Bertl welcome kjo!
1135631208 M * kjo Hi Ho
1135632870 Q * kjo Quit: Verlassend
1135633237 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-5-129.netcologne.de
1135633369 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-211.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1135633399 Q * Aiken Quit: 
1135633580 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135634075 J * tudenbart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-249-121.netcologne.de
1135634082 M * Bertl wb tudenbart!
1135634146 M * meebey hi Bertl 
1135634162 M * meebey Bertl: I got a problem with my /etc/mtab, is not written/created anymore in my vservers
1135634172 M * Bertl interesting ...
1135634182 M * meebey Bertl: AFAIK they was created before, I think since I moved to the new tools, that happened
1135634197 M * Bertl please define new tools 
1135634202 M * meebey Bertl: its 2.4.29-vs1.2.9 btw
1135634210 M * meebey Bertl: the new strange layout tools
1135634214 M * meebey Bertl: config layoutr
1135634217 M * Skram Hiya, Bertl 
1135634223 M * Bertl hey Skram!
1135634235 M * Bertl meebey: 0.30.209?
1135634236 M * Skram You seem overly excited..
1135634243 M * meebey Bertl: df complains everyday via cron :)
1135634294 M * Bertl meebey: about your old tools? *G*
1135634321 M * meebey ii  util-vserver                               0.30.204-5sarge2                           tools for Virtual private servers and context switching
1135634342 M * Bertl well, sarge tools are broken, unless you get the inofficial ones
1135634359 M * meebey hm?
1135634366 M * meebey mtab is broken in them?
1135634372 M * Adrinael What's broken in them?
1135634393 M * Bertl there is so much broken that I can't even remember all the details
1135634402 M * meebey please specify broken and don't just generalize
1135634421 M * meebey Bertl: they work perfect except mtab for me
1135634423 M * Bertl they are insecure, they are getting a few things wrong
1135634430 M * meebey Bertl: dont forget that you are upstream and you developed it ;)
1135634450 M * Bertl no, I didn't develop the tools, that is enrico
1135634461 M * meebey so you blame enrico when you say that :)
1135634466 M * Bertl and they were not broken, before Ola adapted' them
1135634476 Q * dothebart Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135634478 M * meebey so you mean, Ola did bad changes?
1135634488 M * Bertl yep, definitely, ask micah and/or aba
1135634497 M * Bertl (which have to cleanup after him)
1135634517 M * meebey ok thats bad then :)
1135634526 M * Bertl it's also that the tools in sarge are more than a year old now, and that fixes did not get into them
1135634551 M * Bertl so, for me it's quite fine if you use them, but don't complain to me (or enrico) about them:)
1135634569 M * meebey if they are security related, such changes can go in, but just those (backporting security fixes)
1135634570 M * Bertl error/bug reports should be submitted to Ola
1135634594 M * meebey Bertl: so you think the mtab issue comes from the package or because its old?
1135634603 A * Adrinael checks the Debian bug db
1135634604 M * meebey aba: ping
1135634616 M * Bertl meebey: probably, as nobody with the mainline tools did report it yet?
1135634629 A * Adrinael sees that version having a bug about chroot escapes on 2.4 kernel, tagged moreinfo
1135634657 M * Bertl yes, as I said, there are quite some issues
1135634659 M * meebey Bertl: probably because I am the only one with 2.4 :)
1135634674 M * Bertl meebey: nono, micah is testing with 2.4 versions too
1135634680 M * Adrinael Okay, a lot of these bugs are fixed in a version newer-than-sarge
1135634682 M * Adrinael So...
1135634684 A * Adrinael upgrades
1135634709 M * Bertl Adrinael: _if_ you update/upgrade, make sure to get the versions micah uploaded
1135634718 M * Adrinael Will do
1135634740 M * Adrinael Fortunately I haven't deployed anything in those servers yet, I'll just wipe and build again
1135634766 M * Bertl Adrinael: if I may ask, which kernel?
1135634789 M * Adrinael 2.6.12.4 (vanilla kernel.org) with vs2.0 patch
1135634801 M * Bertl okay, you are on the safe side there ...
1135634821 M * meebey Adrinael: that bug is closed
1135634840 M * Bertl Adrinael: but you might also consider using the latest stable 2.01 release
1135634848 M * Adrinael meebey, not on the version in sarge
1135634876 M * meebey Adrinael: its wrongly tagged then
1135634892 M * meebey Adrinael: please reopen if the version in sarge is not fixed
1135634903 M * Adrinael Or I am unable to read bugs.debian.org
1135634931 M * meebey the bug is tagged as security sarge but its closed
1135634941 M * meebey and will be archived in 4 days
1135635021 M * meebey or the BTS is showing it wrong
1135635042 M * meebey its says its fixed in util-vserver 0.30.209-1 but says its resolved and will be archived
1135635048 M * Adrinael There's only one closing mail, for version 0.30.209-1
1135635068 M * Adrinael Yeah, the archiving code doesn't cope yet for the versioned bugs I think
1135635076 M * meebey Adrinael: I know, thats confusing :)
1135635093 M * meebey in 4 days will be see if it got archived or not
1135635101 M * meebey but it should be not in "Resolved" list
1135635103 M * Adrinael Dunno about the status, last I checked it was a known problem that bugs get archived if they are fixed in unstable.
1135635105 M * meebey because its still open for sarge
1135635116 M * Adrinael And bugs get listed as resolved if they are fixed somewhere.
1135635122 M * meebey hmpf
1135635132 M * meebey thats difficult for maintainers to get a clear view
1135635139 M * Adrinael Or maybe one must query the bug in a way to explicitly tell "show only bugs open on this damn version"
1135635144 M * Adrinael *shrug*
1135635196 M * meebey I dont like the debian bts because there is no invalid or bogus tag :)
1135635250 M * Bertl .o( maybe that's redundant ... :)
1135635269 M * Adrinael Well...
1135635299 M * Bertl no seriously, I'm very sad that the debian maintainer (Ola) does such a bad job
1135635301 M * Adrinael The bug is listed as "outstanding" but the information says "Done: dude <email> ; Will be archived yadayada"
1135635314 M * Adrinael So one should listen to the titles or so
1135635327 M * Bertl and I really do not envy the folks like micah who have to clean up the mess
1135635359 M * Adrinael Hm, where can I find the package micah uploaded?
1135635476 M * Bertl I would check the 'normal' debian channels (as micah is debian developer) just look for the magic words ...
1135635487 M * Bertl s/channels/sources/whatever/
1135635538 M * Adrinael Should packages.qa.debian.org list NMUs? (Which I assume it is)
1135635563 M * Bertl you're not asking that me, are you?
1135635569 M * meebey Adrinael: afaik it does
1135635582 M * Adrinael I'm asking anyone who can answer =)
1135635591 M * Adrinael Well, it doesn't list any non-Ola uploads
1135635599 M * meebey hm interesting
1135635600 M * Adrinael Oh well, some zzZZzz now
1135635605 M * meebey Last Version shows NMUs
1135635612 M * meebey but not Latest news
1135635616 M * meebey seems to be a bit buggy too :)
1135635621 M * meebey http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/boo.html
1135635627 M * meebey I did a NMU on that some time agao
1135635707 M * meebey Adrinael: the changelog should show the NMUs for sure
1135635742 M * meebey there was never a NMU on util-vserver in debian
1135635781 M * Bertl please ask micah about details ...
1135635804 M * meebey micah: ping
1135635856 M * meebey "  * Applied patch that make it possible to build on any architecture
1135635856 M * meebey      without the need of an vserver aware kernel,"
1135635859 M * meebey Bertl: uh?
1135635875 M * meebey you can only build it on a vserver kernel?
1135635881 M * meebey thats very bad for bootstrapping reasons
1135635890 M * Bertl the debian package yes
1135636204 M * Bertl the mainline tools support cross compiling for at least 12 archs since 0.30.207 (tested) without any vserver kernel
1135636244 M * Bertl (and with the proper dietlibc since ever)
1135636315 N * Smutje_ Smutje
1135636586 Q * tudenbart Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135636652 J * dothebart ~willi@xdsl-213-196-249-121.netcologne.de
1135638593 J * Marinus Marinus@ip503cfa01.speed.planet.nl
1135638734 M * Bertl welcome Marinus!
1135638758 M * Marinus hello!
1135638988 M * Marinus I'm having a bit of trouble getting vserver to work on FC3 :-/
1135639126 M * Bertl let's hear!
1135639156 M * Marinus ok, the thing is, according to the guide i'm using, yum needs to be patched for use with linux-vserver
1135639167 M * Marinus but when i get a yum source, and apply the patch i get a broken yum
1135639186 M * Bertl hmm, do you have a link to the patch?
1135639221 M * Marinus it's in util-vserver
1135639229 M * Bertl 0.30.209, right?
1135639233 M * Marinus yes
1135639239 M * Bertl sec
1135639264 M * Marinus -> /contrib/yum-2.2.1-chroot.patch
1135639397 M * Bertl okay, what yum version do you patch?
1135639419 M * Marinus i downloaded the 2.2.1 source
1135639457 M * Bertl sounds reasonable :)
1135639469 M * Bertl and, in what way does the result break?
1135639482 M * Marinus [root@celes yum-2.2.1]# yum update
1135639483 M * Marinus Traceback (most recent call last):
1135639483 M * Marinus   File "/usr/bin/yum", line 7, in ?
1135639483 M * Marinus     yummain.main(sys.argv[1:])
1135639483 M * Marinus   File "yummain.py", line 61, in main
1135639483 M * Marinus     base.doLock()
1135639483 M * Marinus TypeError: doLock() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)
1135639486 M * Marinus i get this :-)
1135639504 P * meandtheshell 
1135639596 M * Bertl well, seems like the patch is broken (at least to some extend)
1135639626 M * Bertl it adds a second argument .. but obviously not everywhere
1135639642 M * Marinus thats what it would seem like yeh...
1135639651 M * Bertl ah, no, sorry, it removes it
1135639675 M * Bertl so .. I'd assume that you 'jsut' have to remove the second argument there too
1135639692 M * Bertl in yummain.py", line 61,
1135639721 M * Bertl but, looking at the patch, it does exactly that
1135639728 M * Marinus maybe i applied it wrong?
1135639751 M * Bertl maybe, did you get rejects?
1135639812 M * Marinus nope, it just says that some files are patched
1135639821 M * Bertl sounds good ..
1135639844 M * Bertl could you copy/past the line 61 here?
1135639853 M * Bertl (of the patched version)
1135639905 M * Marinus        base.doLock()
1135639934 M * Marinus that's it
1135639946 M * Bertl well, hmm, doLock() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given) doesn't match for me
1135639990 M * Bertl I _assume_ there are hidden arguments like self and sel
1135640020 M * Marinus okay...
1135640026 M * Bertl but I'm no python expert .. 
1135640045 M * Bertl may I suggest to take the next higher version and try a different patch?
1135640058 M * Marinus i'll give that a try, hold on
1135640078 M * Marinus lol, seems like that whole version of yum is broken
1135640082 M * Marinus even a normal source compile gives errors
1135640093 M * Bertl interesting :)
1135640257 M * Marinus hmm, i'm starting to think this has something to do with python instead
1135640287 M * Marinus just did a normal yum install from source
1135640291 M * Marinus [root@celes yum-2.3.4]# yum
1135640291 M * Marinus Traceback (most recent call last):
1135640291 M * Marinus   File "/usr/bin/yum", line 14, in ?
1135640291 M * Marinus     import yummain
1135640291 M * Marinus   File "yummain.py", line 23, in ?
1135640293 M * Marinus     from yum import plugins
1135640293 M * Marinus ImportError: cannot import name plugins
1135640434 M * Bertl doesn't look too healthy
1135640457 M * Bertl but, you are interested in a FC3 yum version, right?
1135640491 M * Marinus yes
1135640501 M * Marinus I had linux-vserver running under FC4 without any problems
1135640504 M * Bertl so, why not get the FC3 source RPM for yum
1135640521 M * Bertl edit the spec file (add the proper patch) and rebuild?
1135640548 M * Marinus how would you do that? (never did source rpms before)
1135640557 M * michal_ yum is written in Python :)
1135640577 M * Bertl Marinus: well, that's not that hard, just get the .src.rpm
1135640591 M * Bertl then do rpm -i yum*.src.rpm
1135640607 M * Marinus oh right, just like normal rpm then?
1135640609 M * Bertl after that have a look into the spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/
1135640621 M * Bertl (probably named yum.spec)
1135640640 M * Bertl and very likely it will already contain some patches
1135640651 M * Bertl look for Patch and %patch
1135640680 M * Marinus hold on
1135640713 M * Marinus ok
1135640755 M * Marinus nope no patch
1135640784 M * Bertl well, first let's see if that source RPM would work, shall we?
1135640803 M * Bertl try 'rpm -ba /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/yum.spec'
1135640815 M * Bertl (or maybe rpmbuild instead of rpm)
1135640833 M * Marinus command not found...
1135640902 M * Bertl rpmbuild?
1135640913 M * Marinus yeh, just installed it tho
1135640925 M * Marinus ok, did that
1135640951 M * Bertl does it build something?
1135640962 M * Bertl (should list some RPMs at the end)
1135640991 M * Marinus yep, made a yum rpm
1135641004 M * Bertl okay, install that one and see if it works as expected
1135641014 M * Bertl then upload the yum.spec somewhere
1135641029 M * Bertl hey michal_ btw!
1135641039 M * Marinus yep works
1135641126 M * Marinus http://marinusnet.nl/~share/yum.spec
1135641149 M * Bertl okay, copy the 2.2.1 patch to the SOURCES dir
1135641174 M * Bertl right below Source: you add
1135641198 M * Bertl Patch: %{name}-%{version}-chroot.patch
1135641209 M * Bertl and right after the 
1135641212 M * Bertl %setup -q
1135641215 M * Bertl you add
1135641224 M * Bertl %patch -p1 -b .chroot
1135641239 M * Bertl then you redo the rpmbuild
1135641491 M * Marinus well, this seems to work :-) 
1135641498 M * Marinus now lets see if vserver complains about it
1135641535 M * Marinus hey hey hey! It works :-)
1135641537 M * Marinus Wicked!
1135641570 M * Bertl excellent, so please upload the source RPM somewhere and post something to the ML (maybe even add it somewhere on the wiki)