1135209929 M * Bertl night harry!
1135210345 Q * ComplexHo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135210382 J * ComplexHo ~ComplexHo@cpc1-brig3-6-0-cust194.brig.cable.ntl.com
1135211355 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135211361 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de
1135213429 Q * derjohn Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135213869 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving
1135213980 J * sebi_ ~sebi@Fd4a3.f.strato-dslnet.de
1135214081 Q * sebi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135215004 J * guest_ ~guest@S0106001217c81b9e.cg.shawcable.net
1135215209 M * Bertl welcome guest_!
1135215316 M * guest_ has to go now 2 alinware notebook. 500 each.  message me if interested on msn at heymikeeh@hotmail.com, aim atmikcomputing, icq at 339752734 or yahoo at mperkelay.  hope to hear from you!
1135215349 M * Bertl guest_: fallen from the truck?
1135215422 M * guest_ has to go now 2 alinware notebook. 500 each.  message me if interested on msn at heymikeeh@hotmail.com, aim atmikcomputing, icq at 339752734 or yahoo at mperkelay.  hope to hear from you!
1135215431 M * michal_ uh
1135215437 M * michal_ mode +b
1135215487 F * ChanServ +o Bertl
1135215496 M * michal_ bot - look at the number of channel it had joined
1135215506 F * Bertl +b *!*guest@*.cg.shawcable.net
1135215518 K guest_ Bertl guest_
1135215565 M * michal_ thx for care about channel quality ;]
1135215623 F * Bertl -o Bertl
1135215819 M * gdm hi, i'm havinga little problem with CPAN inside a guest
1135215831 M * Bertl k, what kind of issues?
1135215873 M * gdm # REMOTE_ADDR: my.ip.add.ress'
1135215874 M * gdm #     doesn't match '(?-xism:REMOTE_ADDR: 127.0.0.1)'
1135215897 M * Bertl ah, why does it check for 127.0.0.1? did you use that one?
1135215897 M * gdm so i'm not sure how to fix that - if it's a vserver issue or a perl issue
1135215929 M * Bertl the thing is, it is vserver induced, but it should go away if you use the guest IP instead of 127.0.0.1
1135215935 M * gdm no: # perl -MCPAN -e shell
1135215957 M * Bertl linux-vserver remaps the 127.0.0.1 IP to the first guest IP
1135215964 M * gdm then cpan> install HTTP::Server::Simple::CGI
1135215983 M * gdm ok, this is the last ip on a /28 subnet
1135215984 M * Bertl what does /etc/hosts contain?
1135216006 M * gdm 209.51.169.94 nonette.prevolution.org nonette localhost
1135216006 M * gdm 127.0.0.4 verdon
1135216007 M * gdm 127.0.0.2 loiret
1135216013 M * gdm verdon = mysql vserver
1135216021 M * gdm loiret = dns vserver
1135216038 M * Bertl hmm, you are using localhost addresses for those?
1135216079 M * Bertl anyway, that looks fine, if your host is named nonette
1135216083 M * gdm yes, based on teh riseup idea - http://deb.riseup.net/web-server/syscp/install/
1135216099 M * gdm the host is something else, the vserver is nonette, so yet
1135216106 M * gdm s/yet/yes
1135216110 M * Bertl yeah, that's what I meant ...
1135216147 M * Bertl okay, do you ahve a host or non linux-vserver machine with the CPAN stuff installed?
1135216171 M * Bertl (just for a small test)
1135216205 M * gdm one sec, mtopper who is helping me and is the perl whizz will join us ;-)
1135216215 M * Bertl ah, excellent!
1135216276 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@us.tcompressor.com
1135216283 M * Bertl welcome FEN_HIN!
1135216286 J * mtopper ~mtopper@pool-70-107-166-62.ny325.east.verizon.net
1135216295 M * Bertl hey mtopper!
1135216306 M * mtopper hello!
1135216313 M * FEN_HIN thx Bertl
1135216326 M * gdm mtopper: < Bertl> okay, do you ahve a host or non linux-vserver machine with the CPAN stuff installed?
1135216348 M * mtopper i can try installing it on non linux-vserver
1135216350 M * mtopper give me 10 minutes
1135216360 M * Bertl okay, the idea is the following:
1135216379 M * Bertl replace (on the non-linux-vserver machine) the entry 'localhost'
1135216390 M * Bertl in /etc/hosts by the real IP of that host
1135216402 M * Bertl in theory, that should not affect anything ...
1135216408 M * mtopper ok i will try it 
1135216556 M * FEN_HIN Bertl have you been try openvz ?
1135216580 M * Bertl I had a look at the code, but I didn't test a kernel yet
1135216627 M * FEN_HIN oh i see
1135218714 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135219672 Q * FEN_HIN Remote host closed the connection
1135220015 J * mep__ mep@p5091A348.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135220138 Q * lonewolff Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135220406 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-0-23.range86-128.btcentralplus.com
1135220459 Q * mep_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135220892 Q * lonewolff Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135221160 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-0-23.range86-128.btcentralplus.com
1135222186 J * Rusty`` ~rusty@catv-5062992c.catv.broadband.hu
1135222188 M * Rusty`` hell
1135222189 M * Rusty`` o
1135222198 M * Bertl hey Rusty``!
1135222211 M * Bertl (a lot of back ticks here :)
1135222303 M * Rusty`` hello Bertl! what's up? :) is everything OK?
1135222317 M * Bertl yup, everything fine here, and for you?
1135222328 M * mtopper hey Bertl: when i point localhost to the ip of the server i get this error when installing some of the perl mods
1135222332 M * mtopper 22:28 <mtopper> # REMOTE_ADDR: 64.62.195.81'
1135222332 M * mtopper 22:28 <mtopper> #     doesn't match '(?-xism:REMOTE_ADDR: 127.0.0.1)'
1135222348 M * Bertl ah, so we can consider this a perl issue then
1135222349 M * Rusty`` here too :)
1135222354 M * mtopper when i change it back to regular (just using 127.0.0.1 localhost) it installs fine
1135222566 Q * Rusty`` Quit: 
1135222821 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
1135222828 M * Bertl welcome stefani!
1135222852 M * stefani hola.
1135223179 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135223652 Q * jayeola Quit: Zzz
1135223972 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135229591 Q * alexx Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135229768 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1135229886 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1135231851 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-184-111.netcologne.de
1135231960 Q * Smutje Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135233379 M * Bertl okay folks, off to bed now ... back tomorrow!
1135233399 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1135233531 M * Eyck off to bed?
1135233533 M * Eyck eeh
1135235284 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1135240054 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1135240959 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135243727 J * oDn ~odn@pcam.net1.nerim.net
1135249576 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135250246 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146
1135251289 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host-87-74-46-211.bulldogdsl.com
1135251532 J * steinpt ~steinpt@17.84-48-64.nextgentel.com
1135251563 Q * steinpt Quit: 
1135252365 M * Roey hey Bertl!
1135252367 M * Roey Eyck :()
1135252372 M * Roey I mean ':)'
1135252948 J * yang foobar@sparc64.be
1135252979 J * steinpt ~steinpt@17.84-48-64.nextgentel.com
1135252981 M * Roey hi
1135252983 M * Roey why do I get this
1135252985 M * Roey katzr@sink2:~/trees/linux-2.6.14.3-vs2.0$ make menuconfig
1135252986 M * Roey scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/i386/Kconfig
1135252986 M * Roey arch/i386/Kconfig:1350: can't open file "kernel/vserver/Kconfig"
1135252986 M * Roey make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 1
1135252986 M * Roey make: *** [menuconfig] Erro
1135253021 M * steinpt try make oldconfig first
1135253111 M * Roey I don't get it -- I haven't /touched/ this directory in a while
1135253123 M * Roey maybe I changed a config option manually in .config though?
1135253137 M * Roey katzr@sink2:~/trees/linux-2.6.14.3-vs2.0$ make oldconfig
1135253137 M * Roey   HOSTLD  scripts/kconfig/conf
1135253137 M * Roey scripts/kconfig/conf -o arch/i386/Kconfig
1135253137 M * Roey arch/i386/Kconfig:1350: can't open file "kernel/vserver/Kconfig"
1135253137 M * Roey make[1]: *** [oldconfig] Error 1
1135253139 M * Roey make: *** [oldconfig] Error 2
1135253191 M * steinpt Im just guessing here but: 'make clean;make mrproper''
1135253233 M * Roey hmm
1135253235 M * Roey didn't help
1135253241 M * Roey it can't find kernel/vserver/Kconfig.
1135253242 M * Roey and indeed,
1135253246 M * Roey kernel/vserver is not there at all.
1135253278 M * steinpt IIRC, dont you need to set an ARCH setting or something?
1135253310 M * steinpt Or is that Xen and UML?
1135253410 M * steinpt Anyone have any ideas why my localhost adapter (127.0.0.1) is not responding? 
1135253442 M * steinpt I get SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied if I try to force it
1135253449 M * Roey hmm
1135253458 M * Roey steinpt:  I think I was in the wrong kernel version dir.
1135253470 M * Roey steinpt:  that's a weird issue, I don't know....
1135253480 M * Roey steinpt:  also, my SG is compiled 'y' instead of 'm'
1135253563 M * steinpt Sorry... I'm using percompiled kernels...
1135253621 M * harry Roey: i think your kernel source is fscked up
1135253888 M * Roey ???
1135253891 M * Roey arg
1135253898 M * Roey it's the same freaking kernel that I installed earlier :(
1135253913 M * harry then where is you Kconfig?
1135253915 M * Roey harry:  oh, nevermind.
1135253923 M * Roey harry:  that issue has been solved.
1135253926 M * Roey harry:  the issue now is,
1135253929 M * harry ah
1135253936 M * Roey harry:  which options in .config give me SG_MOD and SG modules?
1135253953 M * harry scsi support?
1135253970 M * harry compile scsi stuff as modules
1135254042 M * Roey ok.
1135254048 M * Roey oh, wait
1135254057 M * Roey er... all of the scsi stuff?
1135254069 M * Roey I just wanna know which option gives me sg and sg_mod
1135254081 M * Roey I want scsi /in/ the kernel because otherwise it won't even boot.
1135254087 M * Roey grub is such trash
1135254098 M * harry vserver1:~# ./malloctest || ./malloctest || ./malloctest || ./malloctest || ./malloctest
1135254101 M * harry malloc'ed at 0x804e5b0
1135254104 M * harry malloc'ed at 0x8055ba0
1135254106 M * harry malloc'ed at 0x804fc30
1135254109 M * harry malloc'ed at 0x804ae40
1135254111 M * harry malloc'ed at 0x8053e00
1135254114 M * harry wiiiiiii :)
1135254118 M * harry ah
1135254185 A * harry looks in kernel...
1135254234 M * harry SCSI generic support
1135254282 M * harry sg is only for generic scsi devices
1135254292 M * harry so... scsi generic support as module should do the trick
1135254345 M * harry sd ==> scsi disk, st ==> scsi tape, sr ==> scsi-readonly devices (cdrom), sg ==> scsi generic
1135254390 M * brc Roey: you cold use an initrd
1135254399 M * harry initrd's suck
1135254409 M * harry you don't want to depend on initial ramdisk for your system to boot imho
1135254456 M * Roey aw
1135254457 M * Roey what the fuck
1135254463 M * Roey why do my .config files disappear
1135254464 M * Roey ?!?!?
1135254513 M * harry i have no clue what you're doing, so i don't konw ):
1135254515 M * harry :)
1135254523 M * harry http://harry.ulyssis.org/config-2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0-grsec2.1.7-harry
1135254530 M * harry this is my current configfile...
1135254561 M * harry hmm... come to think of it...
1135254566 M * harry it will be useless for you
1135254569 M * harry so forget it
1135254580 M * Roey I thought that .4 is not out yet
1135254583 M * Roey the patch for .4 is not out yet
1135254583 M * Roey ?
1135254586 M * harry it is
1135254591 M * Roey oh... 2.1.0 is a beta isn't it
1135254591 M * harry not for grsec
1135254594 M * harry nope
1135254600 M * Roey 2.1.0 is stable?
1135254602 M * harry Bertl released it on monday
1135254604 M * harry yup
1135254619 M * harry if you want, i have the patch online too :)
1135254625 M * Roey ok perfect.
1135254628 M * harry with 2 sendfile patches
1135254628 M * Roey I'll download it
1135254635 M * harry and grsec (if you want ti)
1135254643 M * Roey patch-2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0.diff
1135254698 M * harry http://harry.ulyssis.org/patch-2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0-grsec2.1.7_sendfilefix.diff.gz
1135254704 M * harry if you want...
1135254737 M * Roey thanks 
1135254741 M * Roey I mean I don't ned it but thanks
1135254744 M * Roey *need
1135254746 M * Roey I don't use grsec
1135254754 M * Roey I can't even decide between grsec and selinux.
1135254754 M * harry thought so :)
1135254757 M * harry hehe
1135254763 M * harry selinux + reiser ==> nogo
1135254765 M * harry so i use grsec :)
1135254777 M * harry and imho pax rules :)
1135254817 M * Roey oh
1135254822 M * Roey is pax in the kernel now?
1135254828 M * harry no, but it is in grsec
1135254830 M * Roey also, pax relies on intel's noexec bit yes?
1135254854 M * harry haven't had time to check that :)
1135254863 M * harry i could ask spender or pipacs...
1135254919 M * Roey ok
1135254923 M * Roey (it does)
1135254929 M * Roey although it can work without it
1135254935 M * Roey albeit with less security.
1135254949 M * harry that's true
1135254962 M * harry but it CAN work without the noexec bit afaik
1135254970 M * harry or it COULD ;)
1135254972 M * harry whatever :)
1135254990 M * harry PaX is a security enhancement per-se, but not nearly enough to achieve an enhanced security environment. Grsecurity patchset includes PaX and is a much more complete approach towards a well based security enhancement for linux.
1135254998 M * Roey ah
1135254999 M * Roey ok
1135255003 M * Roey eeeeeeek
1135255004 M * Roey   device-mapper ioctl cmd 9 failed: Invalid argument
1135255008 M * Roey what the heck is that???
1135255013 M * harry hmm...
1135255017 M * harry cmd 9... i know that
1135255022 M * Roey after an 'ls'
1135255031 M * Roey ok
1135255058 M * harry hmm...
1135255069 M * harry md devices have major number 9
1135255077 M * Roey k
1135255084 M * harry but ioctl cmd 9 ???
1135255121 M * harry you using multipath?
1135255354 M * harry afaik it's a bug in ioctl functions in device-mapper, or a wrong devicemapper call
1135255367 M * Roey uh-oh.
1135255382 M * Roey well this is kernel .3
1135255385 M * Roey and I'm going to .4 now.
1135255404 M * harry it's just got some minor upgrades
1135255415 M * harry you might want to manually fix the sendfile bug too
1135255431 M * harry (it will be in the next release, but there is no reason not to do it allready (imho))
1135255453 M * Roey ok
1135255458 M * Roey sendifle???
1135255465 M * Roey what's sendfile?
1135255487 M * harry fs/read_write.c
1135255494 M * Roey eeeeeek
1135255497 M * harry well.. actually
1135255498 M * harry nevermind
1135255498 M * Roey there's a basic bug in there???
1135255509 M * harry well... not really
1135255510 M * Roey ok
1135255512 M * harry there is a small bug
1135255513 M * Roey will my system work?
1135255516 M * harry sure
1135255519 M * Roey will I get data corruption?
1135255524 M * harry not that i know of
1135255621 M * Roey alright then.
1135255625 M * Roey not an issue afaiac
1135255704 M * harry ope
1135255705 M * harry nop
1135255717 M * harry i can give you the patch if you want, but it's not really nesessary
1135255726 M * harry no... i can make the patch if you want :)
1135255853 M * Roey that's fine
1135255854 M * Roey thanks though
1135257584 Q * Greek0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135257814 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1135258715 M * jayeola hey chaps
1135258739 M * jayeola it's me again...mr "yaaaah, my yum is br0ken"
1135258813 J * al_ ~arnaud@d213-103-202-96.cust.tele2.fr
1135258950 M * al_ hi
1135258984 M * al_ i was wondering, is there any patch for linux to have cpu tokens per user ?
1135258988 M * al_ (and not per context)
1135259070 N * al_ arnaud
1135259255 M * arnaud is there an announces mailing list for linux vserver (releases...)?
1135259423 M * Roey anyone here using lvm on / ?
1135259636 M * jayeola most of the guides and howtos i've seen suggest to use lvm
1135259656 M * jayeola any centos or fc4 users here/awake?
1135260347 M * harry arnaud: there is a vserver mailinglist
1135260359 M * harry Roey: / on lvm requires an initrd
1135260364 M * harry i HAD servers with that
1135260367 M * harry but initrd's suck
1135260373 M * harry so i stopped using that
1135260379 M * harry and jayeola : i use fedora
1135260382 M * harry but... to all
1135260385 M * harry i got to go now...
1135260391 M * harry (really urgently!!! :))
1135260397 M * harry so... cya'll later
1135260422 A * jayeola groans
1135260550 M * Roey harry:  YES they do.
1135260550 M * Roey arg.
1135260585 J * Doener doener@i5387E152.versanet.de
1135260642 M * Roey harry:  tell me about how you didn't like initrds, k?
1135260645 M * Roey I want to know your experience.
1135260655 M * Roey initrd's make for unbootable systems, most of the time, for me.
1135262241 Q * Kara_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1135262282 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1135262282 J * steinpt ~steinpt@17.84-48-64.nextgentel.com
1135262282 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host-87-74-46-211.bulldogdsl.com
1135262282 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146
1135262282 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-184-111.netcologne.de
1135262282 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135262282 J * mep__ mep@p5091A348.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135262282 J * mtopper ~mtopper@pool-70-107-166-62.ny325.east.verizon.net
1135262282 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de
1135262282 J * ComplexHo ~ComplexHo@cpc1-brig3-6-0-cust194.brig.cable.ntl.com
1135262282 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.95
1135262282 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1135262282 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1135262282 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1135262282 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1135262282 J * blackfire^away blackfire@dp70.internetdsl.tpnet.pl
1135262282 J * click click@ti511110a080-4841.bb.online.no
1135262282 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com
1135262282 J * brc bruce@brc.dedicado.info
1135262282 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl
1135262282 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
1135262282 J * SiD3WiNDR luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
1135262282 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1135262282 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
1135262282 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu
1135262282 J * gdm ~gdm@209.51.169.84
1135262282 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1135262282 J * marl_ ~matt@84.92.193.226
1135262282 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1135262282 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1135262282 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1135262282 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1135262282 J * baggins ~baggins@kenny.mimuw.edu.pl
1135262282 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1135262282 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
1135262282 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net
1135262282 J * micah ~micah@69.90.134.205
1135262282 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1135262282 J * Bertl_zZ herbert@212.16.62.52
1135262282 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-71-193-197-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1135262282 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au
1135262282 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@80.253.205.251
1135262282 J * andrew_ ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
1135262282 J * Eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1135262282 J * dhansen ~dave@sprucegoose.sr71.net
1135262282 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1135262282 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net
1135262282 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1135262282 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1135262282 J * sizo janek@openbug.org
1135262282 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be
1135262282 J * MostlyHarmless ~mh@melbourne.mostly-harmless.ca
1135262282 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1135262282 J * [MUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1135262282 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1135262282 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1135263253 J * shedi ~siggi@213-140-22-77.fastres.net
1135263292 Q * shedi Quit: 
1135263429 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135263592 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1135263614 M * Bertl good morning folks!
1135263668 M * Bertl arnaud: yes, they are announced on the (main) ML as [Release]
1135263674 M * Doener morning Bertl!
1135263689 A * Doener hopes that he won't get killed in #kernelnewbies now... ;)
1135263695 M * arnaud ok
1135263695 M * Bertl arnaud: but sub-releases and release candidates are not announced (yet)
1135263728 M * Bertl Doener: nono, greeting folks you know on #kernelnewbies is quite okay
1135263787 M * Doener ok :) and there's also the trem-good-night-bot :)
1135263805 M * Doener ermh... them the good-night-bot...
1135263808 M * Bertl arnaud: the latest sub releases are shown in the topic here
1135263863 M * matti What's up?
1135263915 M * Bertl matti: we have a plan, a micro guest and xmas is coming ...
1135263955 M * Bertl matti: are you going to celebrate xmas with us this year?
1135263976 J * distortion distortion@junipero.3sheep.com
1135263991 M * Bertl welcome distortion!
1135263999 M * distortion hi :)
1135264105 M * matti Bertl: Celebrate?
1135264113 M * matti Bertl: Well, that would be nice.
1135264115 M * matti :)
1135264205 M * distortion I had a question that wasnt very clear to me after looking at the docs, in VS-NAT mode, when the packet hits the realserver after being load balanced by the director, does the packet contain the original requesting CIP? or does the realserver receive the IP of the director?
1135264286 M * matti Bertl: But, for now I am sick a bit :<
1135264299 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1135264616 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135264778 M * Bertl distortion: you sure you are visiting the right project? (www.linux-vserver.org)
1135264973 M * distortion now that you mention it, no... I was looking for (www.linuxvirtualserver.org) I think i need more sleep :(
1135264985 M * Bertl distortion: don't worry, you are welcome here too :)
1135265126 M * distortion Bertl: thank you, actually now that i've stumbled into the wrong area, vserver is pretty neat.
1135265166 M * Bertl indeed, it is ...
1135265307 M * Roey hi
1135265319 M * Roey I wnat to use vserver, with the host's / on LVM.
1135265322 M * Roey Under Debian/sarge.
1135265325 M * Roey can you guys help me
1135265480 M * Bertl probably ... what's the problem?
1135265552 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146
1135265556 M * Roey ok, I have this thing booting from grub
1135265561 M * Roey with root=/dev/sda3
1135265571 M * Roey I have an LVM logical volume set up in /dev/main/host
1135265575 M * Roey (main is the volumegroup)
1135265583 M * Roey I want to boot with root=/dev/main/host.
1135265591 M * SiD3WiNDR how is that related to vserver :)
1135265594 M * Roey What/where do I specify what?
1135265612 M * Roey SiD3WiNDR:  because you guys are nice and helpful and you seem to like using lvm too
1135265690 M * Bertl Roey: you need some kind of initial ramdisk to do that
1135265734 Q * Loki|muh Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135265746 M * Bertl btw, now that we are offtopic: VMware has a buffer overflow which allows to take over the host!
1135265768 M * Bertl (personally I didn't think that would be possible at all :)
1135265840 M * Bertl Roey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg05104.html
1135265888 M * Bertl Roey: http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~tf/moonshine/lvm.html
1135265974 M * Doener hm, AFAIK it's a driver bug in VMWare and that driver runs on the host and gets data from the guest (networking)... kinda like having an exploitable service on the host and connecting there from the client, i think?
1135266033 M * Roey Bertl:  I've made an initrd.. but this is not a ramdisk is it.
1135266053 M * Roey Bertl:  thnaks
1135266111 M * Bertl recent kernels 2.6.13 and so support cpio archives as initram
1135266129 M * Bertl (this is a little easier to create than the old initrd)
1135266254 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1135266258 M * Roey jesus
1135266262 M * Roey this is a real piece of work you know?
1135266267 M * Bertl wb Loki|muh!
1135266277 M * Bertl Roey: that's why _most_ distros do that for you
1135266327 M * Bertl Roey: on mandrake or fedora you use 'mkinitrd' for this job
1135266403 M * Roey oh... well I have debian here.
1135266413 M * Hollow Bertl: morning! i just released libvserver-1.0 and vserver-utils-1.0, available at http://dev.croup.de/proj/{libvserver,vserver-utils}
1135266420 M * Roey jesus CHRIST this is a lot of work.  I've been working on this servr for THREE WEEKS now.
1135266459 M * Bertl Hollow: ah, excellent, they are working with 2.1.0?
1135266469 M * Hollow i hope so
1135266477 M * Doener Roey: http://www.edseek.com/archives/2004/03/22/creating-an-initrd-image-on-debian-gnulinux/
1135266490 M * Bertl any 'special' test script to test? maybe adapted version of testme.sh?
1135266491 M * Doener (i guess that's still uptodate...)
1135266499 M * Hollow Bertl: not yet, sorry
1135266550 M * Bertl np
1135266585 M * Hollow but i guess it should not be a big issue, just command line switches i guess
1135266762 M * Hollow will see if i can adapt it the next days
1135266796 M * Bertl yes, would be great if we could make that an option (-H or so :)
1135266835 M * Hollow hm, well... testme.sh is not quite modular.. :)
1135266882 M * Hollow but i'll try to make a combined script
1135266900 M * Roey doener, bertl, thanks, I'l try that.
1135266902 M * Bertl don't worry, just adjust it, I'll fix it up later to use the options
1135266927 M * Roey ok
1135266944 M * Bertl Hollow, nitpick: Accept invalid cookie path=/proj/libvserver as a prefix of '/proj'? (whenever I select one of the mentioned pathes)
1135266963 M * Hollow ehm
1135266981 M * Bertl don't worry, I already downloaded the stuff
1135266991 M * Bertl (just wanted to let you know)
1135266991 M * Hollow i always reject cookies *g*
1135267118 M * Hollow Bertl: imo libvserver is quite good and stable now, and it's pretty slim... maybe you can scan the code for bugs/wrong logic..
1135267234 M * Bertl will do so, btw, we will have to add a few interfaces pretty soon
1135267246 M * Hollow ok, no problem
1135267251 M * Hollow for which purpose?
1135267268 M * Bertl you read my 'interesting times' mail?
1135267294 M * Hollow yup
1135267320 M * Bertl scheduler, networking and of course sooner or later the status
1135267351 M * Hollow ic, is there any progres with ngnet i have missed?
1135267355 M * Hollow s/is/are/
1135267375 M * Bertl most recent (public) status is the 'working' loopback isolation
1135267417 M * Hollow awesome :) does it work in combination with vc_net syscalls?
1135267449 M * Bertl yes, it should, but it's not really useful for real world setups
1135267507 M * Hollow ok, any timeline for working vnet devices?
1135267548 M * Bertl if everything goes as expected, within 1-2 month
1135267553 Q * Vudumen Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135267561 M * Bertl probably the scheduler will go first
1135267585 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1135267592 M * Bertl wb Vudumen!
1135267607 M * Hollow very nice :)
1135267643 M * Vudumen hi Bertl :)
1135268329 M * Bertl Hollow: okay, your tools are on the download page
1135268340 M * Bertl (without any warning for now :)
1135268431 M * Doener Bertl: heh, also messed up channels now? ;)
1135268468 M * Bertl yep, definitely :)
1135268498 M * Bertl well, being friendly should not hurt :)
1135268509 M * Doener of course not! :)
1135268820 M * Hollow Bertl: thanks
1135269105 Q * mef Remote host closed the connection
1135269132 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1135269158 M * Bertl welcome mef!
1135269268 M * Roey ah
1135269270 M * Roey screw it
1135269274 M * Roey I won't have the host on lvm.
1135269275 M * Roey whatever.
1135269277 M * Roey it's jsut too much.
1135269350 M * Loki|muh are there problems known with vserver and lvm?
1135269362 M * Bertl no
1135269364 Q * jeeves Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135269376 M * Loki|muh very good
1135269412 M * Loki|muh we will try a vserver host upon lvm-volumes to get a noexec /tmp partition in the guests
1135269445 M * Bertl how is that related to lvm?
1135269489 M * Loki|muh each guest needs its own /tmp partition which should not be placed in ram
1135269501 M * Loki|muh is there another solution than lvm?
1135269523 M * Bertl depends, you could --bind mount the /tmp with noexec
1135270078 M * harry Roey: initrd's work fine...
1135270109 M * harry but you NEED vgscan and vgchange -a y (or something like that) in order to get your root mmounted
1135270115 M * Roey harry:  I dunno
1135270120 M * harry so if something goes wrong with your initrd
1135270125 M * Roey harry:  everyone says something different.
1135270126 M * harry or the creation of it... you're fscked
1135270133 M * harry it works fine... normally
1135270149 M * Loki|muh Bertl: yeah, would be another possibility
1135270153 M * Roey with gnu/linux things can go from normal to catastrophic very quickly.
1135270162 M * harry there you go
1135270169 M * Roey so screw it
1135270176 M * harry you want your systen to be bootable with a normal bootcd
1135270188 M * Roey I'll only use lvm for the vservers.
1135270196 M * harry and no normal bootcd has the lvm initscripts that are needed on board
1135270203 M * Roey though.. I dedicated 5 GB for DNS services.
1135270205 M * Roey what's wrongw tith me.
1135270226 M * Roey harry:  so bootcds will not be able to mount my lvm stuff?
1135270230 M * harry right now, all my servers have a rootfs on raid1
1135270238 M * Roey and not lvm?
1135270248 M * harry /home, /var, /tmp, /vserver, /usr are all lvm
1135270257 M * harry BUT!!! if you use multipath
1135270262 M * Roey yeah?
1135270264 M * harry you don't want /var/run on lvm
1135270271 M * Roey god
1135270273 M * harry because it stores it's pid there at startup time
1135270275 M * Roey it gets so complex.
1135270276 M * Roey right.
1135270283 M * harry and when lvm starts (afterward)...
1135270288 M * harry you get the picture :))
1135270298 M * Roey harry:  this has got to get simpler at some point
1135270309 M * Roey I hope debian guys won't let this issue languish.
1135270315 M * Roey fedora & suse probably have all this covered.
1135270347 M * harry http://harry.ulyssis.org/config
1135270356 M * harry that's my df output on my vserver (test)-server
1135270372 M * harry Roey: no they don't 
1135270385 M * harry i want my systems to be bootable without modules, without initrd
1135270390 M * harry i need a kernel... that's all
1135270398 M * harry (all kernels on my servers are monolythical)
1135270402 M * Roey oh!
1135270406 M * Roey you have /usr on lvm too?
1135270406 M * harry no initrd, no modules support
1135270410 M * harry yup
1135270411 M * harry sure
1135270419 M * harry there are no critical bootfiles there
1135270421 M * Roey so what do you have on / Proper?
1135270422 M * harry so that one gets in lvm
1135270424 M * Bertl harry: but no initrd means no lvm2 
1135270432 M * harry Bertl: why not?
1135270439 M * Roey Bertl:  why not?
1135270446 M * Bertl because lvm2 is userspace, you can not do it in the kernel
1135270477 M * Bertl so, if you want to put / on lvm2, you need some kind of initrd
1135270479 M * harry vserver1:/devel# lvm version
1135270479 M * harry   LVM version:     2.01.04 (2005-02-09)
1135270479 M * harry   Library version: 1.01.00-ioctl (2005-01-17)
1135270479 M * harry   Driver version:  4.4.0
1135270486 M * harry ahaaaaa
1135270490 M * harry Bertl: that's the point
1135270498 M * harry you can't have / on lvm unless you have an initrd
1135270516 M * harry you need vgscan && vgchange -a y to get your lvm volumes activated
1135270516 M * Bertl ah, good, we agree on that :)
1135270519 M * harry to get / mounted
1135270538 M * Roey harry:  so how do you end up with /usr on lvm?
1135270544 M * harry if something goes wrong with lvm or so... you system is unbootable
1135270547 M * harry and i don't want that
1135270553 M * harry Roey: just put it on lvm
1135270555 M * Roey don't you need /usr mounted right after the kernel finishes initting?
1135270557 M * harry there is no problem in that
1135270560 M * harry it mounts /
1135270561 M * Roey ok
1135270564 M * harry which contains /sbin
1135270569 M * harry which contains vgscan etc...
1135270573 M * harry so everything boots fine
1135270579 M * Roey ahhhhhhhhhhhhh and /sbin has the necessary stuff.
1135270580 M * Roey gotcha.
1135270589 M * Bertl I usually have a rescue system/partition (about 250MB or so) on my machines, that takes care of such issues
1135270627 M * Roey Bertl:  you use / on lvm?
1135270640 M * Bertl yes, on several machines
1135270645 M * Roey hmm. ok.
1135270656 M * Roey Bertl:  and you used those instructions you sent me
1135270659 M * Roey and they work like magic?
1135270671 M * Bertl no, I just use mkinitrd on mandrake :)
1135270683 M * Bertl (and it works like magic :)
1135270697 M * harry not over here...
1135270700 M * Roey ok
1135270702 M * harry i use a special kernel
1135270703 M * Roey harry, you're debian?
1135270705 M * Roey same
1135270707 M * harry Roey: yes
1135270707 M * Bertl as mandrake/mandriva support installation on LVM
1135270709 M * Roey oh ok
1135270715 M * Roey so we'r eboth screwed, you and I, harry
1135270724 M * Roey Bertl:  ah so you don't have to go through this.
1135270725 M * Roey ;)
1135270725 M * harry why's that?
1135270737 M * Roey harry:  because dabian makes us do all the hard work ourselves.
1135270741 A * harry just installs everything on a small partition in /
1135270743 M * harry then reboot
1135270746 M * harry copy own kernel
1135270750 M * harry boot that one
1135270759 M * harry then make volume groups
1135270766 J * Doener` doener@i5387C264.versanet.de
1135270767 M * harry mount them, copy all, put it in fstab
1135270769 M * harry etc etc...
1135270848 A * harry has no installation problems
1135270861 M * harry normally i just boot systems with a raid1 disk from another system
1135270865 M * harry (which we call: spare server)
1135270869 M * harry then sync to other disks
1135270877 M * harry sync the primary partition table
1135270886 M * harry then resync the disk
1135270891 M * harry and i have a new standard installation
1135270897 M * Roey ok
1135270899 M * Roey btw....
1135270900 M * Roey two things
1135270911 M * Roey 1) how do I quickly clone a pristine vserverinstallation
1135270941 M * Roey 2) how do I tell vserver to create a new vserver with / at a specific directory (say, /vservers/mail instead of /etc/vservers/mail/root)
1135270976 M * harry Bertl: that's more for you.. :)
1135271005 M * harry i'd say, for 1: cp -al <bla> <bla2> and then vserver <bla2> build -m skeleton <optionlist>
1135271039 M * Doener` the other way round ;) tools bail out otherwise IIRC
1135271049 M * harry hmmm... right
1135271051 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135271055 M * harry the mknod stuff etc...
1135271062 M * harry so Doener is right
1135271065 M * harry the other way around
1135271067 M * Roey and I am confused ;)
1135271094 M * harry vserver <bla2> build -m skeleton <optionlist> 
1135271099 M * harry then cp -al <bla> <bla2>
1135271106 M * harry and your clone is done
1135271115 M * Roey what is bla
1135271116 M * Roey and bla2
1135271118 M * Roey ??
1135271122 M * harry bla2 is the new name
1135271124 M * Roey ok
1135271129 M * harry and bla is the server you want to clone
1135271130 M * Roey and what does 'skeleton' do?
1135271157 M * harry vserver x build --help        \
1135271160 M * harry hmm.
1135271168 M * harry vserver x build --help
1135271172 M * harry run... and read
1135271173 M * Roey and which option lets me specify the root (/) device?
1135271174 M * harry :)
1135271330 M * harry check da manpage
1135271362 M * Roey I DID111111111
1135271367 M * Roey *!!!!!!!!!!
1135271371 M * harry hehe
1135271375 M * Roey they don't give any stupid option list!
1135271375 M * harry qwerty rules :)
1135271375 M * Roey :)
1135271378 M * Roey heh
1135271389 M * harry did you check the flowerpage?
1135271391 M * harry maybe it's there
1135271398 M * Doener` Roey: vserver - build --help
1135271399 M * Doener`     --rootdir <dir>
1135271399 M * Doener`                 ...  [default: /vservers]
1135271401 M * harry i don't reallyknow
1135271409 M * harry ah, there you go
1135271413 M * harry it's in da manpage:)
1135271492 M * Roey ok, --rootdir.
1135271500 M * Roey on which manpage is this option listed
1135271500 M * Roey ?
1135271504 M * harry 18:09 < Doener`> Roey: vserver - build --help
1135271506 M * harry 18:06 < harry> vserver x build --help
1135271511 M * Roey why -?
1135271513 M * Roey why x?
1135271519 M * harry because it needs a name to build
1135271529 M * Doener` Roey: because it's actually the --help output of vserver-build
1135271533 M * harry it won't build, because you just want to print help
1135271539 M * Doener` "vserver" just wraps that
1135271584 M * Roey ok.
1135271638 M * Roey also
1135271649 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1135271650 M * Roey how do I make it so that the vservers start only after their filesystems have been mounted
1135271650 M * Roey ?
1135271677 M * harry flowerpage, Roey ....
1135271680 M * harry read the flowerpage
1135271689 A * Roey goes nuts
1135271703 M * Roey also
1135271713 M * Roey 1) how do I move a vserver to a new filesystem
1135271721 M * Roey 2) what does /var/vservers/<name> hold?
1135271725 M * Roey (bbl)
1135271738 M * harry 1. make your other fs, copy all to there
1135271738 M * TheSeer uhm.. /var ?
1135271749 M * harry mount it to the original place
1135271753 M * harry start vserver
1135271755 M * harry ?
1135271770 M * harry and 2: don't know what /var/vserver holds in your situaton
1135271773 M * harry situation
1135271814 M * steinpt anyone had any luck running IBM DB2 in a vserver?
1135271823 M * harry never tried
1135271861 M * steinpt ok, thx
1135271888 M * harry btw. /me is just a vserver amateur... don't get me wrong here
1135271905 M * steinpt lol, me too
1135271914 M * Bertl steinpt: do you encounter any issues, or 'just asking'
1135271947 M * steinpt Bertl: issues...
1135271958 M * Bertl let's hear ...
1135271959 M * harry shoot the issues!
1135271972 M * steinpt ok, anyone familiar with DB2?
1135272016 M * steinpt Either way, my db2start command hangs in a loop, and times out. Its the db2sysc process..
1135272041 M * Bertl strace -fF ?
1135272052 M * harry + pastebin!)
1135272057 M * Bertl precisely!
1135272070 A * harry starts to know Bertl a little :)
1135272070 M * steinpt I have the admin server up and running, so I guess i have the rights set properly...
1135272082 M * steinpt lol, pastebin, oh yeah, I remember yesterday... :)
1135272096 M * steinpt hold on, I have to restart the vserver.
1135272247 M * steinpt ok, the strace gives me tons of info, any grep things i could do?
1135272255 M * harry nope
1135272256 M * harry all of it
1135272264 M * harry we love to think it's all very common to us :)
1135272272 M * harry makes us look smarter ;)
1135272276 M * steinpt :)
1135272309 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135272343 M * steinpt da*n, hold on, I have to clear some lockfiles and stuff...
1135272639 M * steinpt hmmm...  I really dunno where to start... :)
1135272664 M * harry processor       : 3
1135272665 M * harry model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.06GHz
1135272672 M * harry wiiiiiiii... /me loves this!
1135272682 M * harry steinpt: starting the vserver?
1135272694 M * steinpt Oh, the vserver is up and running...
1135272714 M * harry that's a start ;)
1135272728 M * steinpt I think it may have something to do with rtc, and some proc lookups...
1135272749 M * harry steinpt: that would become clear in a strace -fF
1135272752 M * harry like Bertl said
1135272766 M * steinpt most of the time, the strace loops around gettimeofday and nanosleep..
1135272783 M * harry then abort it before it starts
1135272796 M * harry probably a "permission denied" somewhere crucial
1135272850 M * steinpt I'll look around a bit deeper when it comes to permissions and stuff. Thx so far, Ill come back
1135272876 A * harry off to fitness centre
1135273193 M * Bertl Doener`: very strange, the binutils still refuse to build properly ...
1135273208 M * yang Is vserver limited for i386 platform only or does it work on big endian too?
1135273255 M * Bertl yang: http://linux-vserver.org/Syscall+Switch+Info
1135273441 M * Doener` Bertl: hm, what error this time?
1135273571 M * Bertl Doener`: seems somehow rpm related ... (trying to build a package) maybe %configure or %make is doing something strange/unexpected
1135273752 M * Bertl hmm, seems that the 'implicit' make -j4 rpm does confuses the hell out of the binutils ...
1135273832 M * steinpt This is very wierd, when running "strace -fF db2start" it works, when just "db2start" it hangs... ??
1135274014 M * Doener` Bertl: yep... gentoo has extra -j1 make calls for configure-bfd and headers -C bfd
1135274058 M * Doener` those seem to have to be done first, because the dependency management is broken
1135274149 M * Bertl yeah, looks like ...
1135274185 Q * oDn Quit: Leaving ... All done !
1135274220 M * Bertl but hey, the binutils folks have all rights to break their software whenevery they feel like :)
1135274230 J * NightElf x@ginger.i-n.net
1135274236 M * Bertl welcome NightElf!
1135274270 P * NightElf 
1135274455 Q * arnaud Quit: bye !
1135274634 M * steinpt Bertl: "ttyX: No controlling ttys: Inappropriate ioctl for device"  is recurring in my messages log... Any ideas?
1135274666 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135274674 M * Bertl something is trying to access legacy ttys ...
1135274679 M * Bertl welcome jeeves!
1135274699 M * steinpt have I gone a bit wild disabling services?
1135274731 M * Bertl I don't think so
1135274734 M * jeeves hey there, sorry for the hour delay.  My computer at home locked up, and had to go reboot it.  I have to VNC from work to home to IRC>
1135274757 M * Bertl steinpt: more like some ancient app is trying to mess with /dev/tty*
1135274794 M * steinpt OK. thx
1135274865 M * Bertl you might try to put a dummy there ...
1135274908 M * steinpt how...?
1135274932 M * steinpt (I know, /me lazy ...)
1135274941 M * Bertl well, first it would be good to figure who is doing that
1135274998 M * Bertl depending on that, you might use /dev/null or zero for that or just make a copy of /dev/pts there
1135275033 M * steinpt OK, Ill try that...
1135275232 M * Bertl Doener`: btw, did you have a look at the QEMU status page recently?
1135275242 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-85-184.netcologne.de
1135275275 M * Bertl wb Smutje!
1135275305 M * Smutje :D
1135275329 M * Doener` Bertl: no
1135275352 M * Bertl you should, fully automated testing is within reach :)
1135275535 Q * Smutje_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135275999 M * Bertl yang: hope that answered your original question
1135276296 M * yang Bertl: yes, i will try it on pa-risc to see how it works first
1135276317 M * yang but i need to patch the parisc kernel version first?
1135276408 M * Bertl yes, and you might need to do some adjustments to the vserver patch
1135276422 M * Bertl (at least that is what I had to do a few months ago)
1135276432 M * Bertl Doener`: well, binutils update was in vain:
1135276447 M * yang ok
1135276448 M * Bertl Doener`: GNU addr2line 2.16.91.0.5 20051219
1135276454 M * Bertl addr2line -e vmlinux 8012b2f0
1135276454 M * Bertl ??:0
1135276502 M * Doener` addr2line -e vmlinux ffffffff8010b050
1135276502 M * Doener` init/main.c:658
1135276520 M * Bertl now trying with different memory split
1135276541 M * Bertl (but the funny thing is, gdb gets it right!)
1135276556 M * Bertl okay, off for a while ... back later ...
1135276561 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135276885 Q * jayeola Quit: leaving
1135277267 M * steinpt Anyone have any idea why I am missing /dev/stderr /dev/stdout?
1135277297 M * steinpt in a vserver..
1135277326 M * Doener` it's not needed usually
1135277357 M * steinpt Well, I have a program that fails if I dont reroute stderr and stdout...
1135277366 M * Doener` if you need it, ln -s /proc/self/fd/2 /dev/stderr should do... similar for the others
1135277414 M * steinpt Ah, thx
1135278251 M * steinpt I have another nut... :) Why does a process function beautifullt when run under an strace -fF and hangs if not...?
1135278440 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1135278589 Q * jeeves Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135279675 M * Roey harry:  hi
1135279683 M * Roey harry:  you said you had a /usr on the LVM
1135279703 M * Roey I want to have these host dirs on the LVM:  /usr, /tmp, /root, /var, and /lib.  Will that fly?
1135279705 M * harry yes
1135279708 M * Roey ok
1135279711 M * Roey anything else in there maybe?
1135279714 M * harry /lib
1135279719 M * Roey I said lib
1135279719 M * harry wouldn't do that
1135279721 M * Roey oh?
1135279724 M * Roey why not?
1135279731 M * Roey wha'tsthe point of a /usr on lvm if /lib is not
1135279735 M * harry sec... let me check
1135279741 M * Roey oh... /lib is different from /usr/lib ;)
1135279754 M * Roey think libstdc... it's in /lib not /usr/lib
1135279756 M * harry ls /lib/*lvm*
1135279760 M * harry do that :)
1135279794 M * harry i think you need some libs in there to get lvm's activated
1135279808 M * Roey yes but surely something in there points to /usr
1135279810 M * Roey lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      16 Dec  8 09:35 cpp -> /usr/bin/cpp-3.3
1135279811 M * harry 7525    lib/
1135279813 M * Roey aha
1135279815 M * harry lib is nothing :)
1135279817 M * Roey ok
1135279817 M * harry sure
1135279820 M * Roey yet
1135279823 M * harry but you don't need a c++ compiler to boot
1135279824 M * Roey it does change with every system update.
1135279840 M * Roey the point is to make coherent backups
1135279843 M * harry basicly... you need everything that is in a initrd
1135279850 M * Roey ok
1135279851 A * harry will look for examples
1135279853 M * Roey kkk
1135279855 M * Roey er :(
1135279860 M * Roey "kaykaykay"
1135279876 M * Roey harry:  you speak French or Flemish or what?
1135279882 M * harry btw
1135279891 M * harry /boot can't be on lvm
1135279896 M * harry dutch :)
1135279899 M * harry flemish :)
1135279978 M * harry http://pastebin.com/475473
1135279990 M * harry that's what in the initrd on my root-on-lvm servers
1135280011 M * harry (the /dev is gone offcourse :))
1135280014 M * harry i filtered it :)
1135280020 M * harry find . | grep -v dev
1135280027 M * harry (. is the initrd mountpoint ;))
1135280038 M * Roey harry:  ahhh
1135280044 M * Roey harry:  tell me what is ook in dutch
1135280051 M * Roey harry:  that must be the funniest word I've hear din a long time
1135280057 M * harry ?
1135280057 M * Roey harry:  there is a programming language called Ook.
1135280065 M * Roey harry:  is there 'ook' or 'eek' or something like that in Dutch?
1135280075 M * Roey hee hee hee :)
1135280076 M * harry it's derived from brainfuck
1135280080 M * harry you also have fuckfuck
1135280080 M * Roey well yes :)
1135280083 M * Roey oh??
1135280091 M * harry ook is the monkey-implementation iirc
1135280101 M * Roey is that for programmers who have shot themselves in the foot one too many times
1135280124 M * harry never tried any of those languages :)
1135280132 M * harry C, asm, perl, bash, ksh is enough
1135280146 M * harry i386 asm btw ;)
1135280164 M * Roey heh :)
1135280176 M * harry Roey: where are you from?
1135280177 M * Roey btw, are you around my age (25) and doing system administration at work?
1135280193 M * harry i'm born in 1980, yes :)
1135280196 M * harry and yes, sysadmin
1135280199 M * Roey harry:  I am originally from Israel, but I've been in America for like twenty years ;)
1135280203 M * Roey harry:  awesome
1135280203 M * derjohn [MUPPETS]Gonzo: /me == inventor of the VDOS Attacks - DOS attacks using virtual servers
1135280204 M * Roey same same
1135280204 M * harry and "security" research :
1135280206 M * harry :)
1135280207 M * Roey same!
1135280214 M * Roey your name is really Harry?
1135280217 M * harry nope
1135280221 M * Roey ah
1135280223 M * harry Rik Bobbaers
1135280226 M * Roey ahhh Rik
1135280227 M * Roey hello Rik
1135280230 M * Roey nice to meet you
1135280232 M * harry oops... did i say that out loud :
1135280234 M * Roey oh kennstu Deutsch maybe?
1135280235 M * harry ;)
1135280241 M * harry ein bisschen
1135280242 M * Roey ah
1135280248 M * harry (sry, don't have the estzet)
1135280256 M * Roey aber Deutsch ist <close> zu <dutch> nein?
1135280257 M * harry in plain english: the funny B ;)
1135280262 M * Roey ß
1135280264 M * harry jawohl
1135280264 M * Roey heh
1135280269 M * Roey what's jawohl
1135280269 M * Roey ?
1135280274 M * Roey I keep hearing that
1135280275 M * derjohn harry, objections 
1135280282 M * harry die grenze ist nur 40 km von who meine eltern leben
1135280284 M * Roey objections sustained
1135280289 M * Roey ahhh
1135280289 M * Roey ok
1135280307 M * Roey wass ist grenze
1135280314 M * derjohn harry, bromfietsers doen't sound very deutsch ;) [learned that on WTH]
1135280323 M * harry dar mein deutsch night so gut ist, mochte ich weiter engels prate (dutch mingling ;))
1135280335 M * harry bromfiets is motorrad in german
1135280347 M * harry Roey: the border
1135280353 M * harry BUT!!!!!
1135280360 M * harry derjohn: you been at wth too?
1135280361 M * harry kinky
1135280389 M * derjohn harry, yep I've been there ....
1135280395 J * oDn ~odn@ANice-151-1-60-18.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr
1135280417 M * derjohn harry, that was when I saw bertl and joind the vserver crowd here ;)
1135280445 A * harry wasn't there
1135280448 M * harry too busy drinking
1135280457 M * harry (at bertl's talk)
1135280469 M * derjohn harry, You really misses s.th. good !
1135280476 M * derjohn s/misses/missed
1135280528 M * harry i've seen the presentation online :)
1135280575 A * harry can't find any pics of wth :s
1135280635 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.35.186
1135280654 Q * lilalinux Quit: 
1135280662 J * lilalinux ~plasma@80.69.35.186
1135280667 M * harry http://www.singularity.be/node/5456
1135280669 M * harry there we go
1135280671 M * harry some pics :)
1135280683 M * derjohn weclome lilalinux
1135280701 A * lilalinux throws some eggs on derjohn 
1135280708 M * harry look at the sourcefire piggy getting molested :)
1135280718 M * lilalinux for repeatedly VDOSing me
1135280739 M * derjohn lilalinux, *lilalol*
1135280793 M * harry http://www.singularity.be/node/5613&pid=5551&from=4,61
1135280801 M * harry sourcefire piggy watching dilbet on my laptop
1135280801 M * harry ;)
1135280886 M * derjohn harry, dilbert ist lame :)
1135281394 J * infowolfe jthm@66-230-102-182-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1135282193 Q * steinpt Quit: Leaving
1135282475 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135282759 Q * jeeves Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135283901 M * FaUl huhu
1135283958 M * FaUl which vserver-patches do i want? 2.1.0 or 2.0? I'm going forward to install it on a production dual-ultrasparc-II
1135284100 M * FaUl i guess i'll give 2.1.0 a try
1135284307 M * Eyck good for you
1135285367 Q * lilalinux jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * oDn jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * derjohn jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * alexx jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * lonewolff jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * yang jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * mountie jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * nox jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * anonc jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * FaUl jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285367 Q * Medivh jupiter.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1135285488 J * FaUl X2SxIFu54f@verbrennung.org
1135285488 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de
1135285495 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-0-23.range86-128.btcentralplus.com
1135285495 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1135286148 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135286277 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1135286291 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1135286324 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1135286415 J * yang foobar@sparc64.be
1135287823 J * pflanze ~chris@84-73-57-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
1135287836 M * pflanze Hello
1135288186 M * SiD3WiNDR hm
1135288198 M * SiD3WiNDR how come /etc/vserver/.defaults/vdirbase/vservername is not a symlink?
1135288203 M * SiD3WiNDR how is this linked to the correct dir then?
1135288397 Q * jeeves Quit: Leaving
1135288443 M * Doener` SiD3WiNDR: vdirbase is a symlink
1135288453 M * SiD3WiNDR ah
1135288455 M * SiD3WiNDR ofcourse
1135288457 M * SiD3WiNDR stupid me :p
1135288481 M * SiD3WiNDR but I just have to change vdir symlink if I move one vserver outside the base, right?
1135288756 Q * Johnnie Remote host closed the connection
1135288809 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135289162 M * daniel_hozac yes
1135291793 J * oDn ~odn@ANice-151-1-10-178.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr
1135292592 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host-87-74-46-211.bulldogdsl.com
1135295243 N * oDn oDn|ZZzz