1135123222 M * daniel_hozac the kernel is full of warnings ;)
1135123229 M * Bertl well, I would not assume that a patch I did (over a few hours) without testing the result will compile cleanly ...
1135123275 M * harry you haven't tested the patch yet?
1135123309 M * Bertl well, I did (my patch) but did you test yours?
1135123319 M * harry well... i'm still compiling the kernel
1135123323 M * harry so... no :
1135123331 M * harry i cant boot it now... because i actually need to go to bed
1135123340 M * harry tomorrow, at work, i will try to boot it
1135123349 M * Bertl excellent!
1135123350 M * derjohn Its nice to hear ngnet is so close
1135123353 M * harry Root device is (9, 0)
1135123354 M * harry Boot sector 512 bytes.
1135123354 M * harry Setup is 4618 bytes.
1135123354 M * harry System is 2722 kB
1135123354 M * harry Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready  (#1)
1135123363 M * harry tadaaaaaaaaaa ;)
1135123366 M * Bertl *very suspicious*
1135123371 M * harry ?
1135123375 M * harry suspicious
1135123410 M * Bertl not even a typo? a missing declaration?
1135123415 M * harry hehe
1135123417 M * harry nope
1135123421 M * harry there was one
1135123427 M * harry in gracl_shm.c
1135123432 M * harry but i added the include
1135123436 M * harry and everything was fine
1135123454 M * Bertl well, if it boots and works tomorrow ... just let me know when I can hand over the vserver patches ...
1135123475 M * harry reason for having such a big kernel is ... i don't support loadable modules
1135123489 M * harry ?... handover the vserver patches?
1135123509 M * Bertl well, you probably can maintain them left-handed :)
1135123580 M * harry lol
1135123662 M * harry okay... kernel all set...
1135123668 M * harry tomorrow... the big day
1135123672 A * harry off to bed now
1135123675 M * harry good night all!
1135123679 M * Bertl good night harry!
1135123746 Q * tchan Remote host closed the connection
1135123816 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1135125576 J * jeeves ~jeeves@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135125582 M * jeeves good evening
1135125608 M * Bertl good morning jeeves!
1135125654 M * jeeves Hey, I downloaded and installed the rpms for 1653 and then installed the nVidia drivers.  I got my dual monitors to work again.
1135125672 M * Bertl excellent!
1135125687 M * jeeves little wins for noobs like me
1135125828 M * Bertl hey, that is good work, you do not even know what code you are juggling ...
1135125876 M * jeeves no, and sometimes I feel like less of a OSS geek
1135126065 M * jeeves I am kinda caught.  I would like to get into kernel coding, however I have a data modeling project I have been spending years on that I don't want to abandon.
1135127403 M * Bertl well ... let me know if you want to do some vserver coding :)
1135127517 J * sebi ~sebi@Fcd53.f.strato-dslnet.de
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1135129465 Q * jeeves Read error: Connection reset by peer
1135131215 J * mep__ mep@p5091B8ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135131226 M * Bertl aloha mep__!
1135131238 M * Bertl okay, off to bed now .. back tomorrow ...
1135131245 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1135137242 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135138305 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-246-18.netcologne.de
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1135141863 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135142876 J * infowolfe jthm@66-230-102-182-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1135142877 Q * infowolfe Quit: 
1135143919 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1135144808 M * FEN_HIN .
1135149507 Q * FEN_HIN Remote host closed the connection
1135149567 J * FEN_HIN JFOC@222.124.86.243
1135153231 Q * FEN_HIN Quit: JFOC Network v15 Professional Edition[FEN_HIN]: [- http://www.jfoc.net -] OFFLINE After 1hr 1min 8secs
1135153246 J * FEN_HIN ~JFOC@us.tcompressor.com
1135154013 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.120
1135154056 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135154056 N * menomc mnemoc
1135155106 J * meandtheshell ~itsmethem@85-124-12-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at
1135155692 M * harry can you see if people are logged in to vserver instances?
1135155699 M * harry i want to reboot for a new kernel
1135155715 M * harry but how do i make sure noone is logged in/doing stuff?
1135156104 M * Loki|muh uhm maybe vps could help you
1135156130 M * Loki|muh vps axfl | grep sh or something like that
1135156147 M * Loki|muh maybe grep for ssh
1135156205 M * harry vserver1:~# for i in `vserver-stat |awk '{print $8}'`; do echo -n $i; vserver $i exec w; done
1135156210 M * harry that did the job too ;)
1135156232 M * harry shutting them all down....
1135156519 M * harry Linux vserver1 2.6.14.4-vs2.1.0-grsec2.1.7-harry #1 SMP Wed Dec 21 01:22:22 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
1135156522 M * harry WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
1135156592 M * harry now... it still needs to work...
1135156843 J * guLnaz ~zurna@85.107.89.21
1135157265 M * harry vcontext: vc_set_cflags(): Operation not permitted
1135157267 M * harry grmbl
1135157585 Q * guLnaz Quit: ...:::>deLi rekLam<:::... >> www.yok.com << >> irc.doruk.net << set ßy ; yapan : asiL ~ DucaS
1135161689 P * meandtheshell 
1135162847 M * harry Bertl_zZ: !!!!!!!!!!! :)
1135163900 M * Loki|muh aba: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.11 <- the input-entropy was over-estimated before 2.6.11, so they changed the modell with 2.6.11. This explains why there is a significant change on my machines here when changing the kernel version.
1135163903 J * brcc_ bruce@brc.dedicado.info
1135163910 N * brcc_ brc
1135163912 M * brc good morning
1135164801 M * aba Loki|muh: ah, thanks. Cool.
1135165600 J * oDn ~odn@pcam.net1.nerim.net
1135165625 M * oDn hey all
1135166109 M * oDn could someone confirm to me that it is impossible or at least not recommended at all to run Ipcop or something similar within a vserver?
1135166138 M * brc what does ipcop do ?
1135166168 M * oDn it's basically a dedicated security gateway
1135166184 M * oDn ie firewall, dhcp, IDS etc etc
1135166204 M * FaUl oDn: how does it work/
1135166219 M * brc I will probraby just work on the host, not on the guests
1135166250 M * brc Sinec it is not possible to run iptables (firewall) inside a vserver. i dont know if dhcp will work.
1135166257 M * oDn well it's actually a light distribution so I was hoping to use it on a vserver since i couldn't use it as a host
1135166263 M * brc NIDS wont probrably work either.
1135166283 M * oDn i know hdcp can work, yeah, but iptables is definately a no no then
1135166332 M * oDn i'm basically just trying to cut down on the number of servers used to provide services for a small company
1135166334 M * brc Maybe there are some workaround for getting all those stuff to work, maybe "playing" with caps. just a hint, i don't know if that is possible.
1135166342 M * oDn so ipcop will have to be on another machine
1135166344 M * brc even if it is possible, you would decrease the security level of this host.
1135166375 M * oDn brc : exactly, it would be going against the security concerns we have
1135166395 M * brc the server with ipcop would have too much permissions :)
1135166407 M * brc well, maybe in that case you should try other technologies, like xen
1135166428 M * brc which you give you full access to iptables, routing, etc etc.
1135166451 M * oDn yeah could do
1135166458 M * oDn but i'll try and keep it easy
1135166513 M * FaUl oDn: try uml for that, that will work
1135166544 M * oDn FaUl : as in uml on a debian vserver for example?
1135166588 M * oDn then again would it be a network security flaw to run all lan and dmz hosts on one vserver host ?
1135166615 M * oDn with ipcop routing and firewalling all that?
1135166633 M * FaUl oDn: you may run uml on the host as well as vserver 
1135166650 M * FaUl so the most of your stuff runns in vserver, the ipcop in uml
1135166656 M * oDn yeah might as well run uml direclty on the host
1135166669 M * oDn does uml gobble up a lot of ressources?
1135166685 M * oDn or wouldn't have too much repercusions on the host system
1135166709 M * FaUl uml will proberly not run on guests because it gets the same problem with permissions :-)
1135166734 M * oDn right
1135166742 M * oDn so i'll just run it on the host then
1135166749 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1135166836 M * oDn thanks for the info folks
1135166972 M * oDn are any of you actually using a vserver host in production mode?
1135167007 M * oDn brb
1135167940 M * brc yes
1135167955 M * brc i have some on prodution
1135168055 Q * entroposcope Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135168328 M * _Roey hey all
1135168344 M * _Roey how do I change the location of a vserver's file tree?
1135168351 M * _Roey i.e. how do I re-seat a vserver
1135168796 Q * Hollow Quit: SIGTERM
1135169193 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1135169550 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135169712 M * oDn _Roey : is the vserver already up and running?
1135169896 Q * Hollow Quit: SIGTERM
1135169931 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com
1135170691 A * harry has a fully functional kernel!!!!!!!!!!
1135170768 M * _Roey oDn:  well yeah
1135170773 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1135170774 M * _Roey harry:  congrats
1135170783 M * _Roey oDn:  I mean I've shut it down for the current moment
1135170794 M * _Roey oDn:  but I've already created it and initialized it, if that is what you mean
1135170899 M * oDn well wouldn't the easiest way be to change the symling vdir?
1135170901 M * harry _Roey: tnx
1135170906 M * harry :)
1135170911 M * _Roey symling?
1135170914 M * oDn oups
1135170915 M * _Roey oDn:  symling?
1135170917 M * oDn symlink
1135170919 M * harry my first decent kernel patch merge :)
1135170919 M * _Roey harry:  hey :)
1135170922 M * _Roey harry:  awesome
1135170928 M * _Roey oDn:  which symlink? where?
1135170938 M * _Roey oDn:  vserver now stores stuff in /etc/vserver/<name>
1135170942 M * oDn in /etc/vservers/<server_name>
1135170952 M * _Roey eek.  It stores everything in there! get it out, get it out!!
1135170953 M * _Roey :)
1135170955 M * _Roey oDn:  I guess.
1135170963 M * _Roey oDn:  I'll give the vserver its own filesystem in lvm
1135170966 M * _Roey how about that.
1135170985 M * oDn but do you want to resit the vserver you created or move all config files etc?
1135171001 M * oDn yeah that should work ok i guess
1135171031 M * oDn tbh i've actually got vserver-linux up and running a few hours ago
1135171033 M * oDn :p
1135171056 M * oDn so i haven't fiddled around too much yet
1135171216 M * _Roey I just want to re-seat the vserver's filetree
1135171247 M * _Roey to another partition
1135171254 M * _Roey its config stuff can remain in /etc 
1135171262 M * _Roey anyone here do LVM????
1135171645 M * Eyck why?
1135171704 M * _Roey Eyck:  because (1) I want to move the vserver to its own snapshottable partition
1135171714 M * _Roey (2) I don't like system and data in /etc
1135171735 M * _Roey (3) There's not enough space in the host's filesystem to hold all the vservers.
1135171756 M * Eyck 'why' as in - what do you need to ask?
1135171846 J * jeeves ~jeeves@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135171972 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host-87-74-46-211.bulldogdsl.com
1135172045 M * _Roey Eyck:  ah, I need to know what are the recommended practices for where to store vservers
1135172045 M * _Roey :)
1135172466 M * Eyck _Roey: basically, you know, storing them on some kind of hard drive is recommended
1135172510 M * jayeola there's a number of decent guides on http://linux-vserver.org
1135172596 M * _Roey Eyck:  ;)
1135172605 M * Eyck _Roey: I recommend keeping them on separate lvm partitions, 
1135172610 M * _Roey Eyck:  that's what I'm doing
1135172620 M * Eyck unless you're into mass-hosting and need to share your inodes
1135172644 M * _Roey Eyck:  but my initial (and first encounter) setup has the vserver in /etc/vserver/<name>, and I now I want to know what it necessary to move it out of there
1135172770 M * Eyck that is strange, debian keeps it in /var/lib/vserver/, I keep it in /fs/vservers/
1135172781 M * Eyck default IIRC used to be /vserver/
1135173090 M * _Roey dunno
1135173094 M * _Roey it's in /etc/vserver for some reason
1135173098 M * _Roey but anyway
1135173105 M * _Roey How would I change that?
1135173242 M * Eyck you're on 2.6.x and new utils, right?
1135173283 M * Eyck unless I'm mistaken, there is a symlink in /etc/vserver/.defaults or sth like that, pointing to that directory
1135173309 M * Eyck on older tools you used to change a variable: DEFAULT_VSERVERDIR='/fs/v'
1135173490 M * oDn absolute:/etc/vservers/.defaults# l vdirbase
1135173490 M * oDn lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2005-12-21 09:52 vdirbase -> /home/vservers/
1135173496 M * oDn change that symlink
1135173501 M * oDn vdirbase
1135173764 M * _Roey Eyck:  ok
1135173776 M * _Roey oDn:  oh... ok
1135173776 M * _Roey thanks
1135173788 M * _Roey actually I'm trying to fix a weird werid issue in LVM
1135173793 M * _Roey a weird issue with basic commands
1135173799 M * _Roey (in #lvm on freenode)
1135175167 J * click click@ti511110a080-4841.bb.online.no
1135175180 M * oDn hello again, concernint vserver and uml, does patching a vserver kernel with skas cause any trouble? And if so is there a to get round the problem?
1135175352 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1135175357 M * Bertl morning folks!
1135175409 M * Bertl oDn: did you try? you mean, you want to run skas accelerated UML on the linux-vserver kernel, right?
1135175424 M * oDn Bertl : correct
1135175433 M * oDn Bertl : I haven't even tried yet
1135175440 M * Bertl I don't think that they should interfere ...
1135175444 M * oDn Bertl : just gathering information
1135175484 M * oDn Bertl : is skas essential though. Can I fiddle with UML before patching the kernel?
1135175497 M * Bertl sure, you can run without skas
1135175512 M * Bertl it's just kernel acceleration for userspace
1135175522 M * oDn and will performances really be on the downside?
1135175527 M * oDn ok
1135175539 M * Bertl it will be worse than with, definitely
1135175546 M * _Roey Bertl!
1135175547 M * _Roey heya!
1135175551 N * _Roey Roey
1135175552 M * Roey listen
1135175556 M * Bertl hey Roey!
1135175561 M * Roey I figured out the problem
1135175570 M * Roey the ip in ../0/ip was wrong
1135175586 M * Roey (the vserver's IP was a different subnet than the host's)
1135175591 M * Bertl lol
1135175625 M * Roey still...
1135175634 M * Roey vserver should be able to take care of thatno?
1135175636 M * Roey or 
1135175637 M * Roey like you said
1135175653 M * Roey in the end, it's just a matter of standard gnu/linux routing.
1135175659 M * Bertl precisely
1135175690 M * Roey but
1135175698 M * Roey I am surprised that you can have multiple IPs per device.
1135175725 M * Bertl well, since about 10 years with aliases and for more than 5 without
1135175780 M * Bertl the network stack is quite flexible ...
1135177484 M * jayeola regarding yum issues and repo problems, is this still applicable?
1135177485 M * jayeola http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/util-vserver/util-vserver/scripts/vyum-worker.diff?r1=1.5&r2=1.6
1135177581 M * Bertl I'd guess so
1135177610 M * harry Bertl: the kernel runs, the sendfile patch applied,...
1135177785 M * Bertl harry: excellent!
1135178775 M * Bertl harry: just read your email ... wouldn't it be useful to disable the capability stuff for the chroot case?
1135178792 M * harry i don't know
1135178798 M * Bertl (i.e. at least make it default and/or work around it)
1135178798 M * harry might be useful if you use gradm
1135178812 M * harry but yes... that might be an idea
1135178857 M * Bertl and, btw, did you check some more complicated setups yet? i.e. how vserver permissions and grsec policies work together?
1135178909 M * Bertl also, could you run the testme.sh -L (with debugging in the kernel enabled) and give the testfs.sh a spin too (with all supported filesystems) to verify basic functionality?
1135178921 M * mnemoc beware that if host doesn't have an ip on a subnet, a guest will get the primary address... so stoping that host will drop all addresses on the same subnet even if they belong to different guests
1135178924 M * Bertl testfs.sh -tx
1135178936 M * mnemoc that guest i mean
1135179011 M * harry Bertl: no, not yet
1135179041 M * harry Bertl: i will try those test-things
1135179048 M * harry but beware... i have a "special" setup ;)
1135179059 M * Bertl make sure that you have compiled in the debug options
1135179073 M * Bertl they are helpful in detecting issues
1135179108 M * harry i will now download the vserver testfs.sh and the testme.sh
1135179121 M * harry right now, i don't think i have xfs support in the kernel
1135179130 M * harry and... linux-vserver.org doesn't seem to work
1135179170 M * Bertl hmm, seems to work here .. scripts can be found here:
1135179217 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/
1135179329 M * harry how long does the testfs.sh -tx take?
1135179337 M * Bertl (the testfs.sh requires a loopback or real partition which will be reformated)
1135179377 M * Bertl in your case, forever, without specifying the device, it will assume /dev/zero (to avoid destruction of a filesyste)
1135179393 M * Bertl check out testfs.sh -h
1135179427 M * harry testme.sh -L ==> all succeeded
1135179451 M * Bertl check the kernel logs, you should get a bunch of permission denied and such there
1135179477 A * harry needs to recompile kernel for debugging messages
1135179488 M * Bertl k, np
1135179501 M * Bertl but it will give additional info if something is wrong
1135179547 M * harry recompiling...
1135179555 M * harry but now.... 0xc0ffee!
1135179642 M * harry if this needs to be updatet at every vserver upgrade... i'm gonna have a hell of a lot of work
1135179653 M * Bertl hehe
1135179656 M * harry is there a way to make this kind of stuff "maintainable"?
1135179670 M * harry right now, all patches i do, i patch in the patch
1135179677 M * harry but it will be hard with new things...
1135179683 M * Bertl well, the way I do it for myself seems maintainable for me
1135179704 M * harry Bertl: thing is... i have to keep up to date with kernels, with grsec updates AND with your updates
1135179712 M * Bertl but there are a bunch of patch tools out there which might ease it for you
1135179735 M * harry if people think this is a useful thing to maintain, i'll have to do that :)
1135179766 M * Bertl harry: the trick is 'divide et impera'
1135179781 M * harry uhu :)
1135179785 M * Bertl break it down into smaller changes 
1135179794 M * harry luckily, my latin is not all that bad ;)
1135179810 M * Bertl make them relate to some logic topic/category
1135179834 M * Bertl usually changes, both in kernel as well as linux-vserver happen in certain areas (except for cleanups)
1135179836 Q * blackfire^away Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135179860 M * Bertl for example, for linux-vserver you will get a bunch of 'deltas' between each release
1135179878 M * Bertl something like this:
1135179888 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0.1/
1135179913 M * Bertl those are tiny changes which all together make up the 2.01 release (based on 2.00)
1135179921 M * harry uhu...
1135179953 M * Bertl if you spend a few minutes every day to look at those changes ... they are probably applied within another minute
1135179953 M * harry i think a pretty easy way would be (for me): keep a vanilla tree
1135179956 M * harry keep a patch tree
1135179971 M * harry all patched files, seperate
1135179974 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135179979 M * Bertl you should _always_ keep all the trees and patches around
1135179988 M * harry uhu
1135179991 M * Bertl cp -la (shallow copies) will help there
1135179998 M * harry cleaning up is never a good thing :)
1135180007 M * Bertl I ahve about 1500+ kernels lying around :)
1135180009 M * harry you'll need it as soon as you clean up ;)
1135180031 M * harry ugh... still compiling
1135180037 J * blackfire^away blackfire@dp70.internetdsl.tpnet.pl
1135180044 M * Bertl wb blackfire^away!
1135180125 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de
1135180133 M * Bertl wb michal_!
1135180177 M * derjohn Bertl, RAIK .. Redundant Array Incredible Kernels ;)
1135180188 M * Bertl hehe
1135180552 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1135180606 M * Bertl welcome Pazzo!
1135180612 M * Pazzo Hi Bertl!
1135180624 M * Doener hi Pazzo!
1135180633 M * Pazzo Doener!!
1135180645 M * Bertl hey Doener!
1135180646 M * Pazzo ready for christmas?
1135180660 M * Bertl Pazzo: do you bring presents?
1135180674 M * Doener not yet... absolutely no idea what to buy for mother and grandpa...
1135180688 M * Pazzo Doener: me too 8-)
1135180691 M * aba Doener: tee? candles? ...?
1135180692 M * mnemoc some tuxes :)
1135180697 M * Pazzo Bertl: special whishes?
1135180709 M * Doener and i still got some work to get done, already overdue...
1135180731 M * Doener Pazzo: http://linux-vserver.org/The+XMas+Wishlist
1135180767 M * Doener hm, most are fulfilled or unfulfillable by now..
1135180774 M * Bertl Pazzo: yes, actually there is one ... I'd wish that matti, who has a bad time right now will find a good job and have a pretty fine life ...
1135180815 M * Pazzo " please do some decent ngnet testing so we can move on ..."
1135180851 M * Bertl ah, yes maybe we should update the wishlist
1135180863 M * Pazzo Bertl: did I ever met matti? nonetheless: best wishes for him from me too!
1135180875 M * Doener Bertl: reminder: use my sendfile fix for 2.1 ;) (fell asleep yesterday...)
1135180899 M * Bertl k, thanks for the reminder
1135180911 M * Doener Bertl: talking about updates, Hollow should get into the HoF, right?
1135180924 M * Bertl hmm, he isn't there already?
1135180997 M * Doener not if his irc profile is correct
1135181026 M * Bertl well, seems I'm sleeping really often recently :/
1135181049 M * Bertl okay, will add him to the developers, okay?
1135181054 M * Doener yep
1135181094 M * Bertl maybe we should also add some Maintainers category?
1135181119 M * Bertl and put folks like micah there which spend a lot of time to fix distro issues?
1135181150 M * Bertl (something like Disto or Patch Maintainers)
1135181180 M * Doener hm... 
1135181194 M * aba Bertl: I might be able to organize some ppc-hardware for testing. Interessted?
1135181207 M * Bertl sure, always ...
1135181276 M * aba ok, that person is already on vacation :)
1135181334 Q * jeeves Quit: Leaving
1135181360 M * Doener Bertl: guess it's fine to call it maintainers, just sounded strange first...
1135181772 Q * tchan Remote host closed the connection
1135181807 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1135181816 M * Bertl any distro maintainers around?
1135181832 M * Bertl (i.e. folks who maintain linux-vserver on distro-wossname)
1135181847 A * aba is not a distro maintainer, but QA person
1135181895 M * Bertl okay, guess we will add them along the road ...
1135181915 M * aba but of course, I can tell you who brok^Wis responsible for vserver in debian :)
1135181948 M * Bertl we all know that ... and we won't add a negative entry to the HoF :)
1135181953 M * aba Bertl: kernel-patch by Micah, rest by Ola
1135181965 M * aba I hope that Micah does it right now :)
1135181970 M * Doener *rotfl*
1135181986 M * Bertl micah does excellent work, after all he has to clean up after Ola too
1135181990 M * Doener Hall of Failures?
1135182005 M * aba Bertl: that was always my impression of him
1135182010 M * Bertl that would be HoD 'Disappointments'
1135182026 M * Bertl aba: micah is US, right?
1135182041 M * aba Bertl: yes.
1135182076 M * Bertl tx
1135182669 M * jayeola how accurate is http://linux-vserver.org/CentOS_HowTo
1135182716 M * jayeola as i think that i still have the "yum/broken repo" issue 
1135182877 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1135182957 M * Bertl welcome stefani! jayeola!
1135182977 M * Bertl jayeola: check the page history and compare the dates
1135183074 M * jayeola ty
1135183108 M * stefani re.
1135183143 M * jayeola does not appear to have changed much...
1135183273 M * daniel_hozac jayeola: the yum 2.4 is post-0.30.209. you'll need to apply it if you use yum 2.4 and don't want to use enrico's patch.
1135183299 M * aba Bertl: btw, do you have any knowledge of recent breakeage in util-vserver?
1135183306 M * aba (on Debian, that is)
1135183340 Q * Johnnie Remote host closed the connection
1135183348 M * Bertl aba: hmm, no, well, it breaks always on debian, bu no details ...
1135183372 J * Johnnie ~jdlewis@acs-24-154-53-16.zoominternet.net
1135183380 M * Bertl aba: any specific issues you see?
1135183426 M * stefani cool new features coming.
1135183453 M * aba Bertl: no. just to know whether there is some not-reported bug ...
1135183627 M * jayeola can i just check the order of events with you guys? http://pastebin.com/473244
1135183642 M * jayeola simple list of "todos"
1135183719 M * daniel_hozac how do you run a patch?
1135183728 M * daniel_hozac run==apply?
1135183750 M * jayeola yah
1135183776 M * daniel_hozac what does point 4 mean?
1135183783 M * daniel_hozac and 1.
1135183808 M * jayeola point 4) patch --dry-run
1135183847 M * jayeola point 1) check that glibc, ncurses make and so on are installed
1135183870 M * daniel_hozac isn't that 0?
1135183976 M * jayeola yes it should be but i've done that in two smaller scripts, just to make it more manageble for me
1135183989 M * jayeola http://pastebin.com/473257
1135184142 M * daniel_hozac "yum -y update && yum -y upgrade"
1135184149 M * daniel_hozac someone's been using apt way too much ;)
1135184155 M * jayeola :)
1135184162 M * daniel_hozac upgrade == update + process obsoletes.
1135184178 M * daniel_hozac IIRC processing obsoletes is now default for update as well, so there should be no difference
1135184180 M * jayeola riiiight - thanks 
1135184199 M * jayeola *cough* apt *cough*
1135184261 M * jayeola only reason i've writen scripts is that i knew i'd mess things at the first couple of attempts
1135184266 J * Doener` doener@i5387E152.versanet.de
1135184290 M * jayeola now i (think) all i need to do is get this yum patch from enrico...
1135184324 M * Bertl maybe a few folks _using_ yum should contact the maintainer
1135184337 M * Bertl so taht in the future the changes might be included?
1135184361 M * jayeola yah but in the mean time i'd like to be able to fix things for myself....
1135184401 M * Hollow Bertl, Doener: HoF?
1135184410 M * Doener` Hall of Fame
1135184411 M * daniel_hozac they won't.
1135184419 M * daniel_hozac seth utterly hates enrico's patch.
1135184428 M * Hollow ah, well, i don't care that much, but add me if you like ..
1135184442 M * Doener` Hollow: already too late ;)
1135184444 M * daniel_hozac jayeola: it's in the util-vserver tarball.
1135184447 A * Hollow goes looking
1135184509 A * Hollow nods ;)
1135184523 M * jayeola so the patch is already in http://www.13thfloor.at/~ensc/util-vserver/files/alpha/util-vserver-0.30.209.tar.bz2?
1135184538 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1135184541 M * daniel_hozac contrib, IIRC.
1135184546 M * jayeola hrm. thanks
1135184567 M * Bertl jayeola: you still have to apply it to yum :)
1135184590 M * Hollow does anyone know a bootcd with ntfs scandisk support?
1135184623 M * jayeola yah, but -how- i've seen a "centos4.2+yum" thread on the mailing list... wasn't too clear how this issue was resolved
1135184637 M * Roey how do you guys have vserver set up
1135184639 M * Roey with lvm?
1135184641 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135184643 M * Roey do you lvm your / as well?
1135184648 M * Roey or just your vservers' partitions?
1135184679 M * daniel_hozac jayeola: install the SRPM, add the patch to the spec, make sure it's applied, build RPMs.
1135184712 M * Bertl Hollow: a windows boot CD?
1135184725 M * Roey Bart's Portable boot disc
1135184746 M * Hollow Bertl: doesn'
1135184750 M * Hollow 't matter
1135184764 M * Hollow i need a way to check and repair a ntfs partition
1135184773 M * Hollow ntfsprogs says it's dirty
1135184795 M * daniel_hozac can't you just reboot the box and let Windows do it? ;)
1135184796 M * Bertl .o( hmm, whatever that means ... :)
1135184833 M * Hollow i.e. the fs is in an incosistent state because some memory area ws not written back to the disk or so..
1135184852 M * Bertl isn't that default for NTFS?
1135184860 M * Hollow probably ;)
1135184864 M * Bertl btw, isn't NTFS a journaled filesystem?
1135184872 M * Hollow i just need to recover a friends hdd
1135184879 M * Hollow *shrug*
1135184912 M * Bertl well, chek out the cd Roey suggested ... 
1135184919 M * Bertl personally I never use NTFS
1135184946 M * Hollow hm, afaik Barts PE needs to be built on a windows host
1135184951 M * Hollow and i don't have one
1135184952 M * Hollow :)
1135184953 M * Roey Bertl:  what can you use besides ntfs?
1135184964 M * daniel_hozac Roey: ext3 :)
1135184969 M * Hollow :)
1135184974 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: ah, it's a secondary disk?
1135184977 M * Roey daniel_hozac:  on Windows???!
1135184984 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: yup
1135185010 M * daniel_hozac Roey: i'd assume not.
1135185020 M * Doener` Roey: Bertl doesn't do Windows, that's why he doesn't use NTFS
1135185020 M * Hollow it's some storage disk via usb
1135185020 M * daniel_hozac i wouldn't know though.
1135185027 M * Roey oh. 
1135185029 M * Roey ok.
1135185031 M * Hollow me either
1135185034 M * Hollow shitty ntfs
1135185041 M * Roey I dunno
1135185042 M * Roey is it?
1135185048 M * Roey I wonder if it supports snapshots.
1135185049 J * Smutje ~Smutje@87.78.99.191
1135185050 M * Hollow yup, it's not open
1135185053 M * daniel_hozac Hollow: why couldn't your friend just fix it? it must be easier with a Windows box...
1135185056 M * Roey Hollow:  well yeah
1135185063 M * Roey Hollow:  neither is nvidia, yet we use it.
1135185069 A * Hollow doesn't
1135185082 M * Hollow but that's another topic i guess ;)
1135185082 M * Roey what do you use, Hollow?
1135185087 M * Roey I'm interested.
1135185090 M * Roey matrox?
1135185091 M * daniel_hozac *cough* nv *cough*
1135185091 M * Roey G500?
1135185096 M * Roey oh... I see...
1135185097 M * Roey me too.
1135185098 M * Hollow radeon os drivers
1135185103 M * Roey Hollow:  are they open?
1135185118 M * Hollow yup, i don't usxe the binary ones by ati
1135185125 M * Roey are the accelerated at all?
1135185128 M * Roey just out of curiosity
1135185136 M * Roey because open-source nv is not, and it drives me nuts.
1135185141 M * daniel_hozac ... why?
1135185142 M * Roey of course... my system is way more stable because of it.
1135185143 M * Hollow yep, lately even the r300 chipset got acceleration iirc
1135185147 M * daniel_hozac because you can't play tuxracer?
1135185156 M * Roey daniel_hozac:  because window redraws are slow 
1135185159 M * daniel_hozac (or is it ppracer now?)
1135185160 Q * Smutje_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135185161 M * Roey without 2d acceleration.
1135185178 M * Roey daniel_hozac:  here, there's no *2d* acceleration in the opensource nv drivers.
1135185190 M * daniel_hozac right.
1135185216 M * daniel_hozac i don't think the milliseconds are really noticable...
1135185261 M * daniel_hozac (if even that long)
1135185325 M * Roey they are if you do operations again and again
1135185328 M * Roey like draggina  window.
1135185339 M * Roey trust me, it's slow.
1135185377 M * daniel_hozac i use it too, i don't notice it at all.
1135185389 M * daniel_hozac (though admittedely i don't drag windows around a whole lot)
1135185410 M * Roey I tend to switch desktops a lot
1135185414 M * Roey for what it's worth.
1135185418 M * Roey bbl
1135185737 Q * Hollow Quit: SIGTERM
1135186634 Q * oDn Quit: Leaving ... All done !
1135186826 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1135186992 Q * ddlp Remote host closed the connection
1135187121 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-253-69.sttnwaho.covad.net
1135187198 M * Bertl welcome comfrey!
1135187287 M * Doener` Roey: the closed source nvidia drivers aren't that fast in 2d either...
1135187343 M * Bertl well, actually it's more an X11 issue, IMHO
1135187527 M * Doener` btw, anyone ever experienced firefox placing frames outside the browser window into an extra window?
1135187538 P * JimmyGulp Leaving
1135187572 M * Bertl Doener`: hmm, might even be 'requested' IIRC
1135187608 A * Bertl is still using galeon ...
1135187618 M * Doener` Bertl: uhm, probably it was a bad description... sec...
1135187670 M * Eyck galeon rox
1135187685 M * Doener` http://www.13thfloor.at/~doener/fx-screen.png
1135187761 M * Doener` the "window" with the red border belongs into the page... and that space in the page is not redrawn by Firefox...
1135187780 M * mnemoc outch
1135187789 M * Bertl wow, cool! :)
1135187801 M * mnemoc i want one of those here
1135187825 M * Doener` i get that quite often when firefox runs for a few days...
1135187829 M * Bertl reminds me of the early windows days, were you could fill the entire screen with the paint tool ...
1135187880 M * Doener` had that on debian with gnome (metacity and sawfish) as well as gentoo (fvwm)... so it's either X11, GTK or Firefox I suppose...
1135187893 M * Bertl looks to me like the FF does a separate window context for the frame
1135187930 M * Doener` reloading the page sometimes fixes it... and it's not limited to (i)frames... the whole page can also be outside the window
1135187994 M * Bertl definitely quite interesting .. did you contact the FF folks?
1135188026 M * Doener` i just found the bugzilla and i'm now searching for related bugs...
1135188038 M * Doener` any suggestions for search terms?
1135188057 M * Bertl frame outside of browser window context 
1135188309 M * Doener` ok, found one, thanks!
1135188556 M * Roey back
1135188570 M * Bertl wb Roey!
1135188576 M * Roey hey hey
1135188589 M * Roey Bertl:  so.. I'm thinking of just setting up rdinit to be able to boot from lvm
1135188614 M * Bertl yep, initrd/initram should work there
1135188628 M * Bertl some of my machines are booting from lvm2
1135188711 J * mep_ mep@p5091A8E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1135188737 M * Bertl welcome mep_!
1135189139 Q * mep__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135189384 Q * FireEgl Quit: Bye...
1135190391 M * Bertl folks, I started a new dir on vserver.13thfloor.at called 'Devel' and I did put the FOR-* there (for now)
1135190421 M * Bertl I will try to put only 'known good' stuff there, and keep the experimental patches to Experimental :)
1135190538 M * Bertl I guess I rename the FOR- to PAT- in this process (any problems with that or suggestions for better names?)
1135191761 M * harry Bertl: the testme -L doesn't give any errors at all
1135191772 M * harry not in dmesg, nor in the normal output
1135191800 M * Bertl that's a good sign ...
1135191865 M * harry now just the testfs...
1135191974 M * harry testing with reiserfs
1135192030 M * harry hmm... takes a while it seems...
1135192047 M * Bertl it has to pause for 60 seconds
1135192052 M * harry ah
1135192053 M * Bertl (after fs creation)
1135192055 M * harry that explains a lot :)
1135192068 M * Bertl the thing is, the kernel does not support to sync a newly created fs
1135192080 A * harry didn't even read the entire testfs script
1135192087 M * harry living on the edge! :
1135192088 M * harry :)
1135192093 M * Bertl I was encountering strangest issues without the sleep
1135192099 M * harry hehe
1135192131 M * harry and... multithreading also works again
1135192135 M * harry purrrrrrrrrrrrfect :)
1135192301 M * harry hmm...
1135192305 M * harry still no output...
1135192315 M * harry is 5 gig too much for testspace?
1135192323 M * harry vserver1:/devel# ./testfs.sh -tx -D /dev/vservervg/harrylv
1135192324 M * Bertl no, should be fine ...
1135192338 M * harry that's the command
1135192341 M * Bertl you can use -v or even -vv
1135192353 M * Bertl will show you more info (instead of the -t terse)
1135192364 M * harry why does ext2 and 3 not work
1135192366 M * harry ?
1135192388 M * Bertl check with -vv it is supposed to work ...
1135192401 M * Bertl well, it works here with all releases
1135192407 M * harry lol
1135192410 M * harry it was mounted
1135192425 M * harry and was apparently quietly waiting for me to say: continue :)
1135192436 M * Bertl k, that happens 
1135192454 M * Bertl I thought about adding a timeout for that case
1135192472 M * Bertl if you feel like doing some bash hacking, go crazy ...
1135192499 M * harry also it now fails on non-existance of /test
1135192511 M * Bertl mkdir should work around that issue :)
1135192512 M * harry it's always a problem... what should one do...
1135192524 M * harry yes, but how would you fix that in the script
1135192529 M * harry so that it's ok for everyone
1135192545 M * Bertl well, the /test is something which is not to be fixed at all
1135192565 M * Bertl it's an option, so folks should set it properly (similar to the device)
1135192568 M * harry hmm... gf here now
1135192572 A * harry gotta go :)
1135192574 M * Bertl have fun then!
1135192579 M * harry i will put the output on pastebin
1135192579 M * Bertl and send greetings! :)
1135192583 M * harry and lok at it tormoorw
1135192761 M * harry http://pastebin.com/473456
1135192806 M * harry http://pastebin.com/473457
1135192811 A * harry gone now
1135194346 Q * comfrey Remote host closed the connection
1135196366 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1135196522 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-253-69.sttnwaho.covad.net
1135196577 M * Bertl wb FireEgl! comfrey!
1135196667 M * FireEgl =)
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1135199191 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135199319 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de
1135199355 M * Bertl okay, off for dinner and so ... back later ...
1135199359 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1135199771 Q * cemil Remote host closed the connection
1135199783 J * jeeves ~Bob@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1135199883 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
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1135201477 J * Akito ~agagnon@67.71.244.174
1135201879 M * Akito Hello everyone.
1135201888 Q * jeeves Quit: Leaving
1135202390 M * daniel_hozac hi
1135202452 M * Akito by a really off chance (fully knowing this may sound like a Bad Idea(tm) ) Has anyone ever run k3b inside a vnc session inside a vserver?
1135202956 M * Eyck is this like a batman's opening line?
1135202966 M * Eyck have you ever danced with a devil in moonlight?
1135203202 M * derjohn Eyck, dance with devil 2.1.0 (nonrc) progress :)
1135203405 M * Akito Eyck: If I had to turn it Batman, I'd have to compare it to "Have you ever danced with the devil in moonlight, in the courtyard, in the building" ;-)
1135203454 M * derjohn Akito, you are aware that you will need to make devs within the vserver to burn?
1135203477 M * harry back!
1135203482 M * Eyck derjohn: that's not as bad as it seems
1135203533 M * derjohn "nicht alles was gold ist funkelt, nicht jeder der opensoured verloren"
1135203558 M * Akito derjohn: so far, I've got the block device copied, and seemingly functioning through cdrecord (thanks to people here pointing me in the right direction yesterday) , in console. But k3b is not detecting any devices when it's starting.
1135203588 M * Akito I'm trying to make sense of the strace, but am not finding much that makes much sense to me so far.
1135203600 M * Eyck cdrecord? and not growisofs?
1135203633 M * Doener` Akito: could you make the strace available? (preferable one from the command line program that k3b uses)
1135203638 M * Akito Eyck: cdrecord, when run with dev=/dev/hdc does detect and print out the correct name of my burner.
1135203644 M * derjohn Akito, I am asking myself if you need capabilities ... and you have to care for the drivers (iso etc)
1135203664 M * Akito Doener: Hello again! It's up on pastebin.com at : http://pastebin.com/474047
1135203674 M * derjohn Akito, but das ist right to write "raw" ?
1135203741 M * harry Bertl_oO: i don't think there is a real problem with the testfs script...
1135203773 M * Doener` Akito: hm, did you pass -fF to strace?
1135203793 M * harry except that there is no xfs or jfs support in my kernel
1135203795 M * harry (yet)
1135203795 M * Akito Derjohn: New to capabilities, so far, added SYS_RAWIO as a single line to the bcapabilities file in my vserver folder in /etc/vservers and restarted it.
1135203826 M * Akito Doener: oops, lemme try it again (used strace 2 times so far)
1135203966 M * derjohn Akito, I just look it up, my guess was SYS_RAW, too. But in some strange cases I remember that you will ahve to call it CAP_SYS_RAWIO (The enlightend ones here may correct me please)
1135204017 M * Akito wow, strace was bigger than buffer in konsole. Lemme try to redirect it's output to a file, somehow ( > test.txt didn't work)
1135204035 M * Akito Derjohn: I'll try that, in case, after I get the strace correctly.
1135204047 M * Doener` Akito: -o <outfile>
1135204072 M * Akito Doener: thanks, was about to read the man file ^^;
1135204091 M * derjohn Akito, man files are for whimps ! :)
1135204107 M * harry hehe
1135204119 M * harry RTFM is for asshats who can't read code!
1135204121 M * harry :p
1135204126 M * Doener` Akito: it's probably (at least) CAP_SYS_ADMIN you're missing
1135204137 M * Akito <- is a big wimp then, swears by these usually
1135204171 M * Doener` (the change that broke cdrecord on 2.6.9(?))
1135204222 M * Akito harry: Believe me, I really wish I could code better, but it's not my job focus, and gf would go crazy if I used the computer too much while at home. Heh.
1135204382 M * Akito while this paste is uploading, gonna try the capabilities one at a time.
1135204398 M * Doener` Akito: well, start with CAP_SYS_ADMIN ;)
1135204425 M * derjohn Doener`, we need the prefix "CAP_" .... but why?
1135204470 M * Doener` where do we need that? in bcapabilities?
1135204533 M * Doener` we don't need that there...
1135204563 M * derjohn yes, I _think_ so. But ion the flower page there is a file referenced with lists the capabilities without "CAP_" 
1135204588 M * Doener` in the kernel they're called CAP_ in the tools, the prefix is missing
1135204598 M * Akito the .c file, I looked in there actually. ^^
1135204649 M * derjohn Doener`, so this a problem with the tools? maybe I should file a xmas wish on savannah :)
1135204714 M * Doener` derjohn: is it such a problem that the prefix is missing? the whole file consist of capabilities, no need to qualify each single entry
1135204739 M * derjohn btw: can util-vserver craete the file bcapabilities automagically?
1135204742 M * harry Akito: i know the prob
1135204745 M * harry (same here :))
1135204783 M * derjohn Doener`, no, I dont see a searson why we need the prefxi at all. it's confusing and it doesnt even give an error/warun if you wrote bullshit in the bcapa file
1135204811 M * Akito Doener`: Just since I never actually did this, do I need the CAP_ prefix in the bcapabilities file, or not? I'm getting confused -lol-
1135204855 M * Eyck hmm,
1135204871 M * Eyck I'm recording a DVD right now from inside the vserver...
1135204873 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: if the prefix is there, it's stripped.
1135204884 M * daniel_hozac i.e. you can use the prefix if you want, but you're not required to.
1135204888 M * Eyck and all I had to do is mknod a device
1135204892 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, and if leave it out it works, too?
1135204902 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1135204905 M * Eyck (in addition to the stuff you already need to be able to run Xserver)
1135204911 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, if yes, since which version of util-vserver? recently?
1135204920 M * daniel_hozac all of them, probably.
1135204937 M * Akito Eyck, I'm assuming this'll work once I get home and actually put one into it and doing in in console mode, but k3b isn't seeing my device at all.
1135204949 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, I could *swear* that I had problems without the CAP_ prefix in -208 utils
1135205010 M * Doener` derjohn: i never knew it actually accepts the entries _with_ the prefix ;)
1135205052 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/util-vserver/util-vserver/lib/bcaps-v13.c?annotate=1.5 see removePrefix.
1135205056 M * Doener` Akito: looks like a big fat strace, eh? ;)
1135205062 M * Akito 4.1 meg.
1135205065 M * derjohn Doener`, foobar() ... maybe I was to drunk at that time ... lastyl I added both versions to that file go get sure
1135205072 M * Akito Doener: It just timed out, to boot. -lol-
1135205086 M * Doener` heh
1135205116 M * Doener` could you bzip and send it to me?
1135205139 M * Akito sure thing.
1135205154 M * harry and while you're at it... bzip the microsoft vista, and sms it to me ;)
1135205168 M * harry (sry... </silly mode>
1135205196 M * Akito harry: Will that be the latest release from the MSDN site? I need time to dl it ;-)
1135205217 M * Doener` (dcc should work...)
1135205228 M * harry Akito: ahm... /me was trying to be hip in these days... i don't know anything about M$ stuff :))
1135205229 M * Eyck Akito: k3b is just a frontend to whatever you have there that's doing the real work
1135205256 M * Eyck Akito: as long as your real burner ( be it cdrecord or growisofs or whatever ) works, you're OK
1135205274 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, THX ... but's that's all code .. but I think I got a little insight ;)
1135205279 M * Akito Doener: Will just take a sec, since the PC isn't actually here, it's at home, and I'm at work working remotely on it 
1135205285 A * harry just had champagne... so don't mind me
1135205294 M * Doener` Akito: no problem
1135205296 M * harry (as if you ever do ... :p)
1135205331 M * daniel_hozac derjohn: just notice the 1.2 prefix of the removePrefix lines, and then notice that that revision was committed in april 2004...
1135205333 M * Akito Eyck: Hmmm, just wondering why cdrecord does find my burner info if I run it with no parameters (just so it eventually quits doing nothing) but k3b gives me a failed to get list of devices error.
1135205353 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1135205357 M * Bertl evening folks!
1135205362 M * daniel_hozac Akito: screen scraping? that's bound to fail if the output format changes even slightly...
1135205366 M * daniel_hozac evening Bertl!
1135205404 M * derjohn daniel_hozac, yes, thx. I didnt see the removePrefix function, but it's obvious what it does :) So I was a victim of a -204 util or so (maybe "sarge") 
1135205435 A * harry blows out the 18 candles here... and prepares for bed
1135205455 M * harry wb Bertl !
1135205466 M * Bertl harry: ah, you are 36 and have birthday on the 29th of february, right?
1135205474 M * harry hehe
1135205479 M * harry naaah... /me is 25
1135205486 M * harry just had a romantic evening with my gf
1135205494 M * harry put 18 candles all around the room
1135205502 M * harry opened a bottle of champagne
1135205518 M * derjohn harry, with you .gif ? *loL*
1135205519 M * harry did some nice stuff... talked ... and ... 
1135205534 M * michal_ neat ;)
1135205535 M * harry derjohn: close ;)
1135205536 M * Eyck ...played tetris
1135205544 M * Akito Doener` okay, now to learn how to dcc -lol-
1135205556 M * harry Eyck: we did try to fit ... nevermind, yes, we played tetris
1135205561 M * Akito <- feels like an irc newbie... but realy is anyway.
1135205577 M * harry anyway... now the candles arent necessary anymore
1135205585 M * harry cus it's bedtime
1135205628 M * derjohn harry, "hold a sec babe, I have to start some compile processes first ;))"
1135205631 M * derjohn harry, n8
1135205662 M * harry hehe
1135205663 M * harry nono
1135205671 M * harry she has to get up early tomorrow
1135205671 J * Hus Oso@user-24-214-48-124.knology.net
1135205690 M * harry we're only together for 2 months
1135205704 M * harry so when she's got to work, she still goes home to sleep
1135205708 M * Akito daniel_hozac: Screen scraping? Not sure I get what you meant...
1135205708 M * harry (except for the weekends)
1135205723 M * harry but anyway... now she's gone, so i'm all alone again... and i can be a nerd again:)
1135205732 M * Akito possible, corporate network, seems the pix irc fixup does squat, oh well.
1135205737 M * Akito sending by email.
1135205771 M * daniel_hozac Akito: one program reading the output of another program to get results.
1135205811 M * harry anyway... why am i telling all this here...
1135205822 M * harry Bertl: do you see serious problems in the error logs?
1135205837 Q * Doener` Remote host closed the connection
1135205843 M * Bertl in the testme/sh output? yes
1135205846 J * Doener doener@i5387E152.versanet.de
1135205870 M * Bertl welcome Hus!
1135205915 M * harry 21 and 23 seem to keep failing
1135205928 M * Bertl that's remount tests
1135205930 M * Doener oops :) tried ^W in xchat again...
1135205943 M * Bertl Doener: and it still works, right? :)
1135205948 M * Doener yep
1135205959 M * Akito daniel_hozac: Aah, well, I dunno. While I've been using Linux for a while, just recently getting to the meat and bones of it, so not used to everything yet. 
1135205998 M * Akito Doener`: If my network isn't against me, mail should be sent now.
1135206007 M * Doener yep, it just arrived
1135206045 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1135206090 M * Bertl harry: seems like the mount flag checks are messed up
1135206090 Q * Hus Quit: 
1135206092 M * harry Bertl: do i need kernel options for jfs/xfs?
1135206100 M * harry to test them too
1135206106 M * harry i noticed i installed support for it
1135206114 M * harry but not the tools (which i just did)
1135206137 M * harry like posix acl's
1135206146 M * harry security labels etc..
1135206227 M * michal_ security labels are evil
1135206273 A * harry runs testfs.sh again
1135206282 M * harry now with the jfs and xfs tools
1135206288 M * Doener Akito: hm, was there a scan for cd writers in that k3b run?
1135206307 M * harry Bertl: so i need to check that...
1135206312 M * harry any idea how/where to begn?
1135206323 M * derjohn Doener, yes, "Einrichtungsassitent"
1135206355 M * Bertl harry: well, pick out the specific test and 'retry' by hand
1135206359 M * Akito Doener`: seems so as my device is /dev/hdc, and a symlink to cdrw, both present in the vserver too.
1135206390 M * Akito Doener`: I do see it in the file, if I search for it. No idea why it says no device found
1135206393 M * harry xfs: all ok, except test 21 and 23 again
1135206443 M * derjohn Akito, maybe it checks /proc for the writer type
1135206451 M * derjohn Akito, mounted /proc ?
1135206453 M * harry jfs: 21, 23, 104, 114, 121, 122, 123, 124 fail
1135206500 M * Bertl that's fine, jfs is missing attribute support
1135206516 M * harry ah
1135206517 M * Bertl (so it is not expected to pass on the 100+ tests)
1135206519 M * harry so only the remount stuff
1135206522 M * Bertl mount -o remount,rw,tagxid /dev/vservervg/harrylv
1135206537 M * Bertl try that in some variation, with and without tagxid
1135206540 M * Akito derjohn: /proc is mounted in the vserver, and the block device shows in /proc/devices as Block device 22 ide1
1135206552 M * Bertl harry: maybe you disabled tagxid support?
1135206559 M * derjohn /proc/ide/foo/model =
1135206560 M * derjohn ?
1135206570 M * harry Bertl: let's see
1135206571 M * Bertl harry: no that should cause different errors
1135206584 M * derjohn Akito, or /proc/scsi bla ... (using scsi-ide ?)
1135206604 M * Akito derjohn: /proc/ide shows on the host, not on the vserver... lemme see if I can find out why
1135206608 M * derjohn Akito, does the writer run on the host (not guest?)
1135206619 M * harry Bertl: what option should that be then?
1135206621 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.95
1135206629 M * Bertl wb menomc!
1135206632 M * harry xid propagations?
1135206634 M * harry without the s
1135206643 M * Bertl no, not really relevant
1135206652 M * Bertl let's try the following:
1135206656 M * derjohn Akito, k3b is very high level in such things . I *guess* (i.e. dont know) that I looks there for the type
1135206672 M * Bertl harry: - create an ext2fs and mount it with rw,tagxid
1135206675 M * derjohn Akito, you may try tp set  the devive "handish"
1135206690 M * Bertl harry: - try to remount it with ro,tagxid
1135206699 M * Bertl harry: let's see how and where it fails
1135206711 M * harry mkay
1135206719 M * Akito derjohn: yeah, it works on the host. It's possible that it looks for it there, but I have no clue how to set it up manually, as you say ^^;;
1135206731 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1135206731 N * menomc mnemoc
1135206759 M * derjohn Akito, mom ... i start k3b 
1135206763 M * Doener Akito: /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info seems to be the culprit
1135206793 M * harry vserver1:/devel# mount -o rw,tagxid /dev/vservervg/harrylv /test/
1135206793 M * harry vserver1:/devel# mount -o remount,ro,tagxid /dev/vservervg/harrylv /test/
1135206793 M * harry vserver1:/devel# mount -o remount,ro,tagxid /dev/vservervg/harrylv
1135206793 M * harry mount: /vservers/harry not mounted already, or bad option
1135206804 M * Bertl Doener: userspace tools requiring sysfs?
1135206811 M * derjohn Akito, Settings -> Config -> Devices -> Add Device ?
1135206816 M * Akito Doener: which is conspicously absent in the vserver. No /proc/ide or /proc/net/dev
1135206820 M * harry this is weird
1135206825 M * Doener Bertl: that'd be /sys, not /proc/sys ;)
1135206841 M * Doener Akito: that's proc security at work... you usually don't need those files
1135206850 M * Bertl ahem, /proc/sys is a mirror of /sys (inactive but basically identical)
1135206911 M * Bertl harry: let's make an strace -fF of that mount command (and upload it somewhere)
1135206965 M * Doener Bertl: why do they share almost(?) no files then?
1135206971 M * harry http://pastebin.com/474314
1135206973 M * Akito derjohn: I think you may have something ^^; That was the simplest thing to try, which I didn't figure out I could try.
1135206996 M * Bertl Doener: because one is legacy (the /proc/sys one) and the other is the 'new' one
1135207056 M * Akito derjohn: though even though it accepts this without a complaint, it doesn't show it as available in k3b afterwards or on subsequent launches.
1135207067 M * harry hmmmm... just fyi: i just see that /dev/vservervg/harrylv was still in /etc/fstab
1135207099 M * Bertl might have confused the much-too-smart mount tool
1135207108 M * derjohn Akito, goatse ... they check the device type I guess ... bad luck. patch .. or try a differnet burning util :)
1135207120 M * harry it did
1135207124 A * harry tries the run again
1135207145 M * Akito derjohn: Try to explain that to the significant other ;-) It's still progress though. 
1135207148 M * Bertl harry: btw, there should be a newer tool out there
1135207149 M * harry damn... htat would be stupid
1135207173 M * harry strace for president!!!!! :)
1135207174 M * Akito Ah well, time to go off for some (more) Xmas shopping. Thanks for everyone here's help! It's much appreciated!
1135207175 M * derjohn significant other? b0ss?
1135207177 M * harry Bertl: which one?
1135207194 M * Bertl a version 0.11 IIRC, but I'm checking if I did release it yet
1135207194 M * harry there we go
1135207196 M * harry all ok now
1135207201 M * harry ext2 : all ok
1135207211 M * Doener Bertl: hm, then both seem pretty incomplete... ;)
1135207231 M * Akito derjohn: yesh, b0ss-L4dy is quite adamant on burning cds through k3b, and I'm trying to reduce her damage abilities to a vserver and not the whole machine ^^;
1135207264 M * harry yup, xfs, reiserfs, ext3, ok
1135207268 M * derjohn Akito, cool idea anyway :) 
1135207281 M * harry except those 104 etc... all ok now
1135207285 M * harry no errors
1135207294 M * derjohn Akito, but I would do for a user in group 100 oder a new group called "911" ;)
1135207313 M * Bertl harry: cool!
1135207328 M * Doener Akito: setattr --~hide /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
1135207334 A * harry not bad at kernel patch merging! :)
1135207343 M * Bertl harry: yes, there is a 0.11 version, it's just not linked
1135207347 M * Doener (you need that for dev, dev/cdrom and dev/cdrom/info)
1135207363 M * harry Bertl: a 0.11 version of what soft?
1135207367 M * derjohn Doener, this works? does it count for all guests then?
1135207377 M * Bertl harry: testfs.sh-0.11
1135207379 M * harry ah
1135207387 M * harry should i get that one, and run the tests again?
1135207389 M * Doener derjohn: it at least unhides that entry... and yes, unfortunately this is for all guests at once
1135207403 M * Bertl harry: won't hurt, this script fixes a minor issue
1135207419 A * harry searches and downloads
1135207423 M * Akito Doener`: well I'll try that tomorrow, as I'm expected to be home in 30 minutes sharp -lol-
1135207431 M * Akito Thanks again for the help!
1135207435 M * Akito Good bye everyone!
1135207439 M * Bertl cya!
1135207499 M * harry Bertl: url of the new testfs.sh?
1135207509 M * harry i can't find the link on 13thfloor
1135207509 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testfs.sh
1135207521 M * Bertl (updated the symlink :)
1135207525 M * harry is that the correct one?
1135207526 M * harry ah
1135207555 Q * Akito Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12
1135207562 A * harry runs with -tx now
1135207606 M * Bertl harry: don't run too far :)
1135207629 M * harry hehe
1135207706 M * harry http://pastebin.com/474333
1135207711 M * harry hmm... 2 reiserfs errors
1135207717 M * harry 114 and 124
1135207732 M * harry jfs... a bit more
1135207764 M * Bertl let's redo the reiserfs with -xv
1135207794 M * harry waaaaaaaay ahead of you! :)
1135207829 M * harry http://pastebin.com/474336
1135207831 M * Bertl IIRC, there was a thread on reiserfs requiring some special stuff for attributes now
1135207847 M * Bertl I mean more than the usual 'attrs' flag
1135207872 M * Bertl ah, no, it's the issue which is hurting that hppa guy
1135207885 M * Bertl which seems to be a tool issue actually ...
1135207893 M * harry ah?
1135207903 M * Bertl do we have any idea what the big 'E' is doing there?
1135207921 M * Bertl #
1135207922 M * Bertl ----i-------E----
1135207948 M * Bertl maybe we cause that somehow? could be a bug even
1135207960 M * harry no idea what that means
1135207963 M * Bertl let's do a few reiserfs tests, shall we?
1135207969 M * harry sure
1135207978 M * harry (but not too long, i have to work tomorrow too ;))
1135207982 M * Bertl okay, mount the filesystem on your /test mountpoint
1135207997 M * Bertl then lets do:
1135208001 M * harry let's first make it a reiserfs
1135208010 M * Bertl hmm, should be still there
1135208025 M * Bertl (but yeah, make it and mount it with attrs!!9
1135208030 M * Bertl s/9/)
1135208042 M * derjohn Bertl, harry : yes yes ! reiser ist very important !
1135208050 M * harry /dev/mapper/vservervg-harrylv on /test type reiserfs (rw,attrs)
1135208057 M * Bertl excellent!
1135208061 M * Bertl okay, now let's do:
1135208081 M * Bertl touch /test/file_01 && lsattr /test/file_01
1135208098 M * harry no attrs (as to be expected)
1135208103 M * harry just blank
1135208128 M * Bertl setattr --iunlink /test/file_01 && lsattr /test/file_01
1135208156 M * harry ----i-------E---- /test/file_01
1135208159 M * harry there we go
1135208165 M * harry our E is immanent!
1135208166 M * harry ;)
1135208171 M * Bertl touch /test/file_02 && chattr -i /test/file_02 && lsattr /test/file_01
1135208188 M * Bertl oops
1135208190 M * harry hehe
1135208195 M * Bertl touch /test/file_02 && chattr -i /test/file_02 && lsattr /test/file_02
1135208196 M * harry the last one should be 2 ;)
1135208207 M * Bertl 80% of all errors are copy/paste ones
1135208211 M * harry hehe
1135208218 M * harry blank (as to be expected :))
1135208229 M * harry chattr +i only gives i (and no E)
1135208235 M * Bertl okay
1135208237 M * Bertl now
1135208265 M * harry vserver1:/devel# chattr +i /test/file_02 && lsattr /test/file_02 && chattr -i /test/file_02 && lsattr /test/file_02
1135208268 M * harry ----i------------ /test/file_02
1135208270 M * harry ----------------- /test/file_02
1135208271 M * Bertl touch /test/file_03 && setattr --iunlink-but-not-immutable /test/file_03 && lsattr /test/file_03
1135208283 M * harry ------------E---- /test/file_03
1135208297 M * harry soooooooo... that's where the E comes from
1135208298 M * Bertl okay, here we go, it seems to show/report the iunlink flag
1135208318 M * Bertl funny part is, that should be invisible to userspace
1135208327 A * Bertl is investigating now
1135208362 M * harry i would help, if i could... but i don't know where/what to search for
1135208387 M * Bertl aah, you have the legacy code enabled!!
1135208423 M * harry Enable Legacy Kernel API
1135208425 M * harry yup
1135208438 M * Bertl don't see why we show the flag there, but .. that's the reason
1135208468 M * harry aha
1135208478 M * harry so if i disable that , all should work fine
1135208479 M * harry ?
1135208483 M * Bertl so, consider this one correct :)
1135208493 M * Bertl i.e. the 'E' is fine ...
1135208501 M * harry the "error" is not really an error
1135208527 M * Bertl it is a questionable legacy option, will investigate in what way that might make sense at all
1135208553 M * harry hmm... i wish i could help
1135208559 M * harry but i'm afraid i can't ;)
1135208574 M * harry anyway... the patch is working nicely afaik
1135208711 M * harry that read_write.c
1135208717 M * harry what's the deal with that?
1135208733 M * harry i removed the *ppos > max check
1135208748 M * harry does that one require any other "patch"?
1135208790 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Devel/PAT-2.1.1/delta-sendfile-fix01.diff
1135208800 M * Bertl that's the patch which is going into the next release
1135208818 M * harry hmm... strange
1135208849 M * harry so basicly
1135208866 M * harry the if (retval > 0) blabla check goes outtoo
1135208913 M * harry so the retval won't be checked anymore if it's < 0
1135208923 M * harry am i right?
1135208929 M * Bertl yep
1135208943 M * harry there we go
1135208946 M * harry patched
1135208954 M * harry should i put it online in the same patch?
1135209142 M * harry hmm... Bertl stolen
1135209145 M * harry anyway
1135209152 M * harry the new patch is on my vserver host
1135209158 M * harry if people are interested, let me kow
1135209159 M * harry know
1135209164 A * harry goes to bed now