1134692818 M * mikeb Just FYI for you all - I figured out my mailman problem with not being able to allocate chared memory. Turned out that the Apache RLimit directive was set too low for that virt host. Nothing to do with vserver or bcaps.
1134692837 M * mikeb You'd think APache error_log would have said somethign about that - but noooooo :)
1134693124 J * cascardo ~cascardo@200216099230.user.veloxzone.com.br
1134693189 M * cascardo hello, folks. I would like to know if it is possible to build a vserver with an already debootstraped partition
1134693274 M * daniel_hozac cascardo: sure, just use the skeleton build method and move/mount the partition to /vservers/... when it's done.
1134693314 M * cascardo so the skeleton will not copy anything...
1134693329 M * daniel_hozac skeleton will create a skeleton ;)
1134693389 M * cascardo too damn simple. thanks a lot, daniel_hozac 
1134693442 M * daniel_hozac you're welcome!
1134693787 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-032.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1134695003 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
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1134695416 J * sebi ~sebi@Fcf50.f.strato-dslnet.de
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1134698720 J * Loki_muh loki@satanix.de
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1134699075 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1134699111 M * Doener good night!
1134699113 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving
1134699464 M * knjhbgvfcdxsza I'll try to catch Bertl another night
1134699467 M * knjhbgvfcdxsza Night all
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1134700491 Q * click Remote host closed the connection
1134700498 J * click click@ti511110a080-0549.bb.online.no
1134701447 J * mep_ mep@p50919FA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1134702493 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@kenobi.snowman.net
1134702522 M * Snow-Man Just to double-check, vservers currently set up under vs1.9.5 will work with 2.05, right?
1134702596 J * marl_ ~matt@84.92.193.226
1134702724 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1134702779 Q * mep_ arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * Loki_muh arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * marl arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * mugwump_ arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * alexx arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * SNy arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * Medivh arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * ComplexHo arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * tchan arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * FaUl arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * cryo arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * mountie arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702779 Q * anonc arion.oftc.net quasar.oftc.net
1134702814 J * mep_ mep@p50919FA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134702814 J * marl ~matt@84.92.193.226
1134702814 J * mugwump_ ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134702814 J * SNy 5bf84f8bef@bmx-chemnitz.de
1134702814 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de
1134702814 J * ComplexHo ~ComplexHo@cpc1-brig3-6-0-cust194.brig.cable.ntl.com
1134702814 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134702814 J * FaUl Em2REBG5Lg@verbrennung.org
1134702814 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146
1134702814 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1134702814 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1134702845 Q * mugwump_ Remote host closed the connection
1134702848 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134702864 Q * SNy Remote host closed the connection
1134702883 J * SNy 7c8e1ea3f7@bmx-chemnitz.de
1134702902 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1134702904 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
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1134703137 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
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1134703586 M * Snow-Man hello?
1134703609 M * Snow-Man Just to double-check, vservers currently set up under vs1.9.5 will work with 2.05, right?
1134703614 M * Snow-Man errr, 2.01, even
1134703886 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1134704301 J * balbir ~balbir@59.92.139.243
1134704881 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1134704951 M * mnemoc when the time comes, they will work with 2.05 too :)
1134704974 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1134705135 M * Snow-Man Excellent.
1134707895 Q * Snow-Man Remote host closed the connection
1134712923 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1134713352 Q * Hollow Quit: SIGTERM
1134713646 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1134713996 Q * mikeb Quit: Leaving
1134714573 J * cdrx ~legoater@cap31-3-82-227-199-249.fbx.proxad.net
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1134715982 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1134716582 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-032.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1134717996 J * Smutje_ ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-244-249.netcologne.de
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1134720947 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134721631 N * Smutje_ Smutje
1134722719 J * id23 ~id@p54A028AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134722726 M * id23 hi
1134722731 N * id23 id
1134724807 J * Ben81 ~Ben81@tipi0e.lri.fr
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1134727946 J * JViz Anomaly@adsl-065-013-131-023.sip.int.bellsouth.net
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1134729415 M * Klaus_ humm how did i build a system whit debootstrap
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1134730870 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1134731136 J * Guest164 ~michal@mprivacy-update.de
1134731153 N * Guest164 michal_
1134731278 J * baggins ~baggins@kenny.mimuw.edu.pl
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1134732265 J * cdrx ~legoater@70-33-118-80.kaptech.net
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1134736464 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134737421 J * Roey ~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net
1134739823 J * jeeves ~jeeves@c-24-11-171-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
1134740090 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1134740116 M * Bertl Klaus_: probably you used vserver <name> build -m debootstrap ...
1134740130 M * Bertl morning folks!
1134740270 M * Bertl okay, off for breakfast ... back alter
1134740277 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1134741619 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1134741619 Q * Klaus_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134741766 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158
1134741819 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
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1134743366 M * Roey hey al
1134743367 M * Roey all
1134743369 M * Roey Bertl
1134743404 M * jeeves yo
1134743452 M * Roey heya
1134743798 J * Duckx ~duckx@195.75.27.158
1134743991 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
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1134745814 J * JimmyGulp ~james@ns0.esagroup.co.uk
1134745939 J * Kara_ ~Kashira@wan11.yellowhost.de
1134745984 J * infowolfe jthm@66-230-102-182-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
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1134746177 Q * BWare Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134746665 J * cemil ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
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1134747700 M * JimmyGulp Is there any way for my to mount my hosts / within a vserver hosted on that machine?
1134747764 Q * shedi Remote host closed the connection
1134747847 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1134748190 M * micah JimmyGulp: can you re-phrase that? I am having a parse-error
1134748314 M * JimmyGulp I have a host that I'm currently running 1 vserver on. I've screwed up the sshd_config on the host server, and can't get back in. So I'm wondering if I can access the hosts / (or /etc/ssh) from the vserver (the vserver still works)
1134748332 M * JimmyGulp and the server is about 200miles south of me. :/
1134748344 M * micah unfortunately, that is one of the features of vservers
1134748356 M * micah complete and total isolation, it is supposed to be like a jail
1134748381 M * micah unless you have set some capabilities to allow that
1134748395 M * JimmyGulp I don't think I set anything like that... :/
1134748407 M * micah yeah, you would have to consciously set that
1134748432 M * micah do you have ftp or web access to the host still?
1134748468 M * JimmyGulp no, I always scp'd stuff to the host, and it didn't have a web server on there.
1134748495 M * JimmyGulp I have postfix on there. I'm looking for anything I can break in that :)
1134748664 J * Klaus ~klaus@c-5a0671d5.08-10-68617010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1134748670 Q * Duckx Quit: Leaving
1134749596 J * ||Cobra|| ~cob@pc-csa01.science.uva.nl
1134749600 M * ||Cobra|| hi
1134749604 M * jeeves Thats quite a problem
1134749620 M * jeeves hi Cobra
1134749640 M * ||Cobra|| can anyone give the create command for a red hat 7.3 , please
1134749645 M * ||Cobra|| i tried
1134749656 M * ||Cobra|| vserver crux build -m atp-rpm --hostname=crux.example --interface test0=eth0:192.168.0.5/24 -- -d rh7.3 
1134749663 M * ||Cobra|| and i ve errors
1134749793 M * Kara_ atp-rm should bei apt-rm (just a typo maybe?)
1134750008 M * ||Cobra|| sorry
1134750010 M * ||Cobra|| apt-rpm
1134750014 M * ||Cobra|| same problem
1134750198 M * Kara_ interface looks odd to me - though i am not sure. as lons as nobody other seems to be here right now, you might want to try --interface eth0:192.168.0.5/24
1134750211 M * Kara_ without test0=
1134750214 M * Kara_ just a guess.
1134750231 M * ||Cobra|| ok i test this
1134750248 M * Kara_ if it does not work, the error msg could help to sort it out.
1134750271 M * ||Cobra|| i've this error : /usr/lib/util-vserver/functions: line 206: -n: command not found
1134750449 M * Kara_ please check /etc/vservers/.distritubtions if there is rh7.3 on your host-system
1134750529 M * ||Cobra|| oh god
1134750534 M * ||Cobra|| i dont have this one
1134750538 M * ||Cobra|| only rh9
1134750539 M * Kara_ :)
1134750551 M * Kara_ that might be a reason
1134750552 M * ||Cobra|| thx for the tip :)
1134750560 M * Kara_ yw
1134750565 M * ||Cobra|| how can i add it ?
1134750580 M * Kara_ no idea - let me ask google
1134750591 A * Kara_ never used apt-rpm
1134750722 M * ||Cobra|| or maybe i juste have to add a directory call rh73
1134750731 M * Kara_ one idea: duplicate rh9 and rename to rh7.3. you will find a folder "apt" inside. I guess you could change the sources lists to rh7.3 - if you know working mirrors for it. (pls, somebody correct me if i am mistaken)
1134750735 M * ||Cobra|| and copy inside the content of rh9
1134750741 M * ||Cobra|| lol
1134750743 M * Kara_ :)
1134750749 M * ||Cobra|| same idea :)
1134750754 M * Kara_ sry. not used to type english. takes quite a while for me
1134750762 M * ||Cobra|| no problem
1134750768 M * ||Cobra|| u can try in German
1134750771 M * ||Cobra|| :P
1134750775 M * Kara_ qry me 
1134751005 M * blackfire hi umm... anybody tried the 1.0-pre vserver tools?
1134751067 M * Kara_ not me
1134751197 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1134751201 M * Bertl morning folks!
1134751210 M * blackfire afternoon Bertl :)
1134751224 M * Bertl blackfire: 1.0-pre? what's that?
1134751244 M * blackfire http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/distfiles/util-vserver-1.0_pre20051120.tar.bz2
1134751253 M * blackfire http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/distfiles/libvserver-1.0_pre20051119.tar.bz2
1134751274 M * blackfire that's what i found after being pointed to in a mail (from the ml)
1134751279 M * Bertl ah, yes, tx ..
1134751302 M * blackfire i can't seem to find /usr/lib/util-vserver in any of these packages
1134751500 M * jeeves yo Bertl  morning
1134751760 M * Bertl and a good one to you too!
1134752009 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1134752025 M * Bertl happy lunch time stefani! :)
1134752308 Q * tchan Remote host closed the connection
1134752343 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134752540 M * stefani ??  it is not even time for coffe? 
1134752632 M * Bertl stefani: just kidding :)
1134752670 M * Kara_ now i am lost. whicht time is it at your end?
1134752685 M * Bertl Kara_: 12pm ?
1134752843 M * Kara_ ouch
1134752844 M * Kara_ ok
1134752917 M * blackfire Bertl: you're somewhere in Asia? :)
1134752937 M * Bertl currently NJ
1134752955 M * Bertl (Princeton to be precise)
1134752989 M * blackfire oh.. apparently i made a s/pm/am/ :)
1134753036 M * Bertl yeah, it's confusing for me too ...
1134753066 M * blackfire i'm just used to 24h time
1134753095 M * blackfire hmm can anybody help me? <whine> ;)
1134753111 M * Bertl yeah, probably Hollow can ...
1134753123 M * Bertl Hollow: ping!
1134753278 Q * ||Cobra|| Remote host closed the connection
1134753411 M * Bertl blackfire: nevertheless it seems like you ahve to wait a little ... maybe search the logs/archives?
1134753478 Q * aba Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1134753566 M * stefani Bertl:    09:18 here.
1134753584 M * Bertl stefani: that's west coast, right?
1134753726 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: umm, aren't those the sources?
1134753836 M * blackfire well they are but i feel they are incomplete
1134753848 M * blackfire grep for _START_VSERVERS for example
1134753874 M * daniel_hozac well, i'd assume they are.
1134753889 M * daniel_hozac they're not called pre<date> for nothing :)
1134753907 M * Bertl hehe
1134753914 M * stefani Bertl:   yes PST  UTC - 8 hours
1134753917 M * blackfire neat :)
1134753933 M * daniel_hozac IIRC Hollow said they'd start and stop vservers though.
1134753954 M * blackfire hmm seems unlikely using only the tarballs
1134753972 M * blackfire from my mail in the ml:
1134753973 M * blackfire # grep -r _START_VSERVERS *
1134753973 M * blackfire util-vserver-1.0_pre20051120/etc/vservers:
1134753973 M * blackfire ${_START_VSERVERS} -m ${MARK} -j ${NUMPARALLEL} --all --start
1134753973 M * blackfire util-vserver-1.0_pre20051120/etc/vservers:      ${_START_VSERVERS} -j
1134753976 M * blackfire ${NUMPARALLEL} --all --stop
1134753996 M * blackfire that's grepping through libvserver and util-vserver sources
1134754023 M * blackfire so the teensy crucial _START_VSERVERS variable isn't defined anywhere
1134754042 M * daniel_hozac that's just the init script.
1134754055 M * daniel_hozac not crucial at all.
1134754063 M * Bertl ah, well, nothing you can not get rid of with a proper environment :)
1134754110 M * blackfire yeah sure :) i'd just use the dir from 0.30 but that would probably be missing the point :)
1134754320 M * Bertl probably
1134754326 M * blackfire well i can go through the scripts guessing what the env vars should contain
1134754365 M * blackfire but the reason i'd like to test the new utils isn't refreshing my bash skills but testing static network contexts 
1134754367 M * Bertl IMHO the best is to wait for Hollow, but don't let me stop you from figuring out the code
1134754396 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134754398 M * daniel_hozac static network contexts?
1134754402 M * blackfire personally, i'll probablby just hack the dynamic network ids to 0.30 ;)
1134754408 M * blackfire grr static of course
1134754413 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: yep
1134754466 M * daniel_hozac well, util-vserver's chbind needs a rewrite anyway, so... ;)
1134754503 M * blackfire hehe
1134754562 M * daniel_hozac and i hope you'd hack 0.30.209.
1134754594 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: are there big differences? i'm using 0.30.208 (if it ain't broke...)
1134754644 M * daniel_hozac from 0.30? definitely. from 0.30.208, quite a few bug fixes.
1134754668 M * blackfire hmm what should the new chbind do? (i.e., how do i set up a static network id, assign addresses etc)
1134754687 M * blackfire i meant 0.30.208 all along, just a shortcut :)
1134754688 M * daniel_hozac vc_net_* instead of vc_set_ipv4root.
1134754700 M * daniel_hozac 0.30 and 0.30.208 are _veeeery_ different.
1134754716 M * daniel_hozac completely different trees and everything.
1134754974 M * blackfire well i'll make myself a diff of .208 and .209 and check it out 
1134755120 M * blackfire i have never seen 0.30 actually :)
1134755736 Q * Ben81 Quit: Leaving
1134755798 M * blackfire am i right that nothing has changed regarding chbind between .208 and .209? 
1134755816 M * daniel_hozac not directly.
1134755845 M * Roey HI
1134755847 M * Roey Bertl:  heya
1134755869 M * blackfire so if i can make it work under 208 209 should be ok too?
1134755882 M * Roey how can I assign different IPs (in the same subnet) to different vservers?  Would they all share 'eth0' or would they need to split it, like "eth0:1","eth0:2",etc?
1134755904 M * daniel_hozac i guess, but i don't see the point in patching old versions.
1134755905 M * blackfire Roey: eth0 works for me
1134755913 M * Roey blackfire:  but with multiple IPs?
1134755925 M * Roey I don't want one vserver to be able to read another vserver's traffic!
1134755939 M * daniel_hozac Roey: they won't, unless you give CAP_NET_RAW.
1134755952 M * Roey daniel_hozac:  so they all see an 'eth0' device but each will have their own IP?
1134755953 M * daniel_hozac in which case they'll be able to read _all_ traffic on _all_ interfaces available to them.
1134755962 M * daniel_hozac Roey: yes.
1134755964 M * Roey thanks :)
1134755964 M * blackfire i have a dozen vservers on one machine with addesses from the same subnet
1134755967 M * Roey you guys are infinitely useful
1134756022 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: i understand fully but i'd have to test 209 first for some subtle breakage (our setup is quite modified especially wrt. to vserver startup)
1134756068 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: certainly you wouldn't be doing your chbind testing on that system ;)
1134756124 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: well atm i don't have any machine to thrash totally so i gotta be careful :)
1134756129 M * Roey brb
1134756137 M * Roey and in the vservers you also use chroot, right?
1134756141 M * Roey so you'd chroot your apache??
1134756202 M * blackfire Roey: i'm running apache from the vserver directly, no additional chroot
1134756216 M * Roey blackfire:  hmm ok
1134756236 M * blackfire it boils down to vserver $i exec /etc/init.d/apache2 start wrapped in several layers of scripts :)
1134756236 M * Roey blackfire:  what are the best practices for apache and vserver? to not run it in a chroot?
1134756245 M * Roey :)
1134756308 M * blackfire Roey: a vserver is (oversimplifying greatly) a sort of chroot on steroids :)
1134756860 M * Roey I know I know :)
1134756866 M * Roey so Bertl helped me set one up.
1134756879 M * Roey How do I change a vserver's IP once I have already set it up.
1134756880 M * Roey ?
1134756918 M * daniel_hozac edit /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces/?/ip
1134756923 M * blackfire Roey: i'd say you should change /etc/vservers/VSERVER_NAME/interfaces/* and restart the vserver
1134756943 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: that's interfaces/??/ip actually afaik :P
1134756957 M * blackfire or did it change in .209? :D
1134757170 M * Roey ok
1134757182 M * Roey daniel_hozac, blackfire thanks
1134757183 M * Bertl Roey: actually it would be better to stop the guest, then do the change, and start it afterwards :)
1134757229 M * blackfire Bertl: yeah, it'll probably barf while shutting down otherwise :)
1134757445 M * Roey Bertl:  hehe
1134757511 Q * id Quit: F.N.O.R.D.
1134757814 M * Roey hi
1134757823 M * Roey so I'm thinking of the following now:
1134757827 M * Roey I will have like three or four vservers
1134757846 M * Roey each with their own individual IP (albeit on the same subnet)
1134757865 M * Roey now, the PowerEdge 1850 has two Gig-E ifaces
1134757876 M * Roey is there some way I can connect both of them to the same subnet for load balancing?
1134757906 M * Bertl sure
1134757916 M * Bertl you basically have three options there
1134757944 M * Bertl a) put two guests on interface 0 and the rest on interface 1
1134757959 M * Roey ok
1134757993 M * Bertl b) use a load balancer outside to send requests to _both_ interfaces
1134758021 M * Roey but I can't have it so that both ifaces pick up the same packets?
1134758029 M * Roey for failover AND load balancing purposes??
1134758036 M * Bertl c) use thrunking to get a 2GBit interface
1134758075 M * Bertl but honestly, I doubt that your guests will satisfy a single GB link
1134758105 M * Bertl so probably option d) use bonding to have a failover, is the most simple/natural
1134758274 M * Roey ok.
1134758281 M * Roey well there's no way to trunk AND bond?
1134758300 M * Roey I mean, this is low-traffic but I still want to learn how to do it.
1134758400 M * Bertl well, if the switch support 802.3ad .. it should work
1134758471 M * Bertl http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html
1134758495 M * Roey thanks
1134758536 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1134758593 M * Roey Bertl:  oh! this addresses both increased throughput AND redundancy!
1134758595 M * Roey thanks ever so much
1134759518 M * Roey Bertl:
1134759520 M * Roey hi.
1134759521 M * Roey so,
1134759554 M * Roey the docs say that that I create a bond0 device
1134759556 M * Roey and give it an IP.
1134759559 M * Roey the docs say:
1134759571 M * Roey modprobe bonding mode=0 miimon=100
1134759576 M * Roey ifconfig eht0 down; ifconfig eth1 down
1134759591 M * Roey ifconfig bond0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 ; ifconfig bond0 192.168.55.55 up
1134759599 M * Roey ifenslave bond0 eth0; ifenslave bond0 eth1
1134759605 M * Roey Bertl:  can I do this:
1134759611 M * Roey well.
1134759613 M * Roey I dunno.
1134759614 Q * tchan Quit: WeeChat 0.1.7-cvs
1134759631 M * Roey Bertl:  I know that I want a new different IP for every vserver.
1134759637 M * Bertl Roey: I don't know either :)
1134759641 M * Roey oh :)
1134759647 M * Roey hmm, do you know who would? #networking maybe?
1134759678 M * Bertl no, I guess, the only way to figure out if you 'can' do this is to try, no?
1134759700 M * blackfire Roey: try setting the device to bond0 and the ip to what you wish and just find out :)
1134759714 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134759736 M * Roey hmm.
1134759764 M * Roey but the docs say to ifenslave the slave ethernet devices AFTER you assign bond0 an IP.
1134759784 M * Roey can I make maybe diffferent bondN's
1134759788 M * Roey one for each separatre IP
1134759789 M * Roey ?
1134759800 M * Bertl why would you want to?
1134759801 M * Roey bond0 = for mail server, bond1 = for DNS server, bond2 = for web server
1134759810 M * blackfire hmm try the other way around, maybe it'll work anyway
1134759818 M * Bertl Roey: just assign different IPs to the bond0
1134759821 M * Roey what's the other way around?
1134759829 M * Roey Bertl:  ok..
1134759839 M * Roey Bertl:  so the ifenslavement is done before the IP assignment in your case.
1134759840 M * Roey I hope that works.
1134759841 M * blackfire ifenslave and then let the vserver startup scripts assign addresses
1134759844 M * Roey ok
1134759844 M * Bertl right now you have different IPs on eth0, yes?
1134759848 M * Roey no
1134759849 M * Roey no I do not
1134759858 M * Roey in fact I do need to create the vservers.
1134759867 M * Bertl so? what setup do you have/plan without bond0?
1134759914 M * Roey nothing so far
1134759916 M * Roey oh
1134759919 M * Roey planned?
1134759945 M * Roey I want it so that taking out the ethernet plug won't take out all four or five services 
1134759962 M * Bertl yeah, we got that by now :)
1134759987 M * Roey :)
1134759991 M * Roey Bertl:  + it's fun
1134759994 M * Bertl but the thing is, if you had only one interface (let's call it eth0 for now) how would you set it up?
1134760036 M * Roey I'm assuming that I would just create every vserver with a different IP address (all sharing hte same subnet though), and let the vserver system take care of the rest.
1134760060 M * Bertl see, and that's precisely what you do with the 'bond0' interface too
1134760067 M * Roey oh, ok
1134760082 M * Bertl just make sure that it is configured properly, and that you use bond0 instead of eth0
1134760083 M * Roey Bertl:  see, my confusion was whether or not you are allowed to asisgn IPs after you bond slave devices together.
1134760100 M * Roey because in the docs they assign IP /before/ they do the enslaving.
1134760104 M * Bertl of course, the bond0 is just another interface
1134760109 M * Roey ok then.
1134760149 M * Bertl and actually the bonding is smart and flexible enough to support 'hot' adding/removal of interfaces
1134760170 M * Roey cool
1134760248 J * tchan1 ~tchan@espresso.foo-projects.org
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1134760641 M * blackfire Bertl: one more thing (and now for something completely different)
1134760680 M * blackfire let's say i want quotas in vservers but i don't really care about the host (it's administrative access w/o any services)
1134760708 M * Bertl quotas as in user/group quota, right?
1134760709 M * Roey Bertl, blackfire: OK, I try the ifenslave and I get "operation not permitted"
1134760709 M * blackfire should quotaon -a on the host?
1134760719 M * blackfire Bertl: yes
1134760759 M * Bertl Roey: make sure that a) kernel does support bonding, b) the proper modules are loaded, c) that zou have recent packages (debian?)
1134760765 M * Roey the module is there yes
1134760771 M * Roey I do have the recent packages
1134760774 M * Roey I just apt-got installed.
1134760785 M * Roey but I didn't apt-get update before I instlaled though
1134760796 M * Roey I mean, I did it a few days ago.
1134760821 M * Bertl well, sounds like a debian issue, please contact the debian folks (or RTFM :) they can probably help you there
1134760842 M * Roey how do I know it's not my hardware?
1134760848 M * Roey intel e1000 driver btw
1134760878 M * Bertl I don't know of a driver which does not support bonding :)
1134760917 M * Roey :)
1134760918 M * Roey ok
1134760922 M * Roey I've done it before
1134760926 M * Roey I remember this 'ifenslave' thing.
1134760979 M * blackfire Roey: try downing the interface you are enslaving
1134760987 M * Roey I did
1134760987 M * Roey !!
1134760993 M * Roey I downed both of them.
1134760995 M * Roey eth0 and eth1
1134761163 M * Roey brb
1134761165 M * Roey gotta pee.
1134761230 M * Bertl .o( glad he didn't pee in the channel :)
1134761267 M * blackfire :D
1134761325 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: is it expected that the disk limit is increased by 2 blocks when creating a 1 block large file?
1134761346 M * Bertl depends .. sometimes it is .. sometimes not
1134761368 M * daniel_hozac (block size 4096, creating a 4096 bytes large file using dd increases disk limit by 8)
1134761377 M * Roey back
1134761434 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: compare what it changes on the host system (without limits)
1134761513 M * Bertl also, enabling the debugging could give some clues (sometimes blocks are allocated in advance, especially on journaling fs)
1134761570 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1134761587 M * daniel_hozac yeah, it changes just as much on the host.
1134761637 M * Bertl maybe comparing both values (i.e. the delta on guest and host) might be a good criterion?
1134761782 M * daniel_hozac good idea.
1134762140 M * Roey weird
1134762143 M * Roey this just isn't working
1134762149 M * Roey I do this:
1134762160 M * Roey ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth1 down
1134762174 M * Roey ifconfig bond0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 
1134762184 M * Roey ifenslave bond0 eth0 eth1
1134762193 M * Roey and then that last statement says "operation not permitted"
1134762211 M * Roey but when I do ifconfig, I see that both eth0 and eth1 share bond0's address.
1134762221 M * Bertl well, maybe you do not have the proper permissions
1134762226 M * Roey (oh, because I also did ifconfig bond0 192.168.5.140 up)
1134762229 M * Roey oh
1134762230 M * Roey ?
1134762235 M * Roey but I am r004.
1134762251 M * Roey r00|-, rather.
1134762255 M * Bertl I don't lnow your setup, except for the fact that it is debian :)
1134762257 M * Roey :)
1134762270 M * Roey perhaps I should just go ask/complain about this on #debian
1134762270 M * Roey ?
1134762284 M * Bertl maybe, how are you logged on btw?
1134762346 Q * Klaus Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134762358 M * Roey console
1134763072 J * Klaus ~klaus@c-5a0671d5.08-10-68617010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1134763077 M * Roey katzr@sink2:~$ sudo ifenslave bond0 eth1
1134763077 M * Roey SIOCBONDENSLAVE: Operation not permitted.
1134763079 M * Roey that's what I get.
1134763084 M * blackfire grrrrrr where do i add a file to include into libvserver? :)
1134763198 N * Roey _Roy
1134763200 N * _Roy _Roey
1134763295 M * Bertl _Roey: could you do a 'grep Cap /proc/self/status' for me?
1134763319 M * _Roey katzr@sink2:~$ grep Cap /proc/self/status
1134763319 M * _Roey CapInh: 0000000000000000
1134763319 M * _Roey CapPrm: 0000000000000000
1134763319 M * _Roey CapEff: 0000000000000000
1134763332 M * Bertl hmm, doesn't look like root :)
1134763336 M * _Roey ?
1134763336 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: Hollow's libvserver?
1134763338 M * _Roey oh
1134763340 M * _Roey lemme do it sudo.
1134763341 M * _Roey one sec.
1134763353 M * _Roey katzr@sink2:~$ sudo grep Cap /proc/self/status
1134763353 M * _Roey CapInh: 0000000000000000
1134763353 M * _Roey CapPrm: 00000000fffffeff
1134763353 M * _Roey CapEff: 00000000fffffeff
1134763369 M * Bertl this is on i386 or different arch?
1134763404 M * _Roey it is a Xeon SMP 4-way (two-way hyperthreaded)
1134763411 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: well 0.30.208 actually... i think i found the place (lib/Makefile-files obviously) but i cannot get the buildsystem to actually even try building the file
1134763415 M * _Roey Dell Poweredge 1850, Bertl.
1134763432 M * Bertl _Roey: yeah, but an x86 xeon not x86_64, right?
1134763435 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134763438 M * _Roey er yeah
1134763439 M * _Roey Bertl:  yes
1134763441 M * _Roey how come?
1134763453 M * _Roey katzr@sink2:~$ uname -a
1134763453 M * _Roey Linux sink2 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1-rc5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Dec 13 12:22:10 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
1134763468 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: what are you adding? looks like everything is there...
1134763480 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: aclocal && autoconf either barfs (1.4) or creates a broken configure script (1.7+)
1134763522 M * daniel_hozac are you including m4 in the search path?
1134763529 M * daniel_hozac (aclocal -I m4, IIRC)
1134763532 M * _Roey Bertl:  I'm going home
1134763533 M * _Roey will be back later
1134763537 M * _Roey ciao, and tanks all
1134763540 M * _Roey thanks too.
1134763548 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: the nx_* functions, for one
1134763556 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: nope, i'll try it now 
1134763560 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: hmm?
1134763571 M * daniel_hozac blackfire: vc_net_create, vc_net_add, etc. are all there.
1134763638 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: great, now i'm officially a dumbass :D i just read into (hollow's) libvserver too much apparently :)
1134763669 M * Bertl blackfire: we will not use it against you (too often :)
1134763679 M * blackfire Bertl: thanks :D
1134763689 M * blackfire Bertl: i appreciate that :)
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1134764190 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-87-78-59-22.netcologne.de
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1134764690 M * blackfire hmm in:
1134764694 M * blackfire struct  vcmd_net_addr_v0 {
1134764694 M * blackfire         uint16_t type;
1134764694 M * blackfire         uint16_t count;
1134764694 M * blackfire         uint32_t ip[4];
1134764694 M * blackfire         uint32_t mask[4];
1134764697 M * blackfire         /* more to come */
1134764699 M * blackfire };
1134764709 M * blackfire what are type & count?
1134764719 M * daniel_hozac count == number of IPs.
1134764769 M * daniel_hozac type == NXA_TYPE_IPV4
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1134764793 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1134764807 M * daniel_hozac possibly |d with NXA_MOD_BCAST to set the broadcast.
1134764816 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: thanks :)
1134764819 M * daniel_hozac (if i'm reading vc_net_add correctly)
1134764910 Q * monrad Quit: 
1134764927 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1134765276 M * blackfire daniel_hozac: can i supply an array of struct vc_net_nx to vc_net_add? which count field is relevant then?
1134765313 M * daniel_hozac no, only one.
1134765319 M * blackfire ok thx
1134765400 M * blackfire   typedef enum { vcNET_IPV4, vcNET_IPV6, vcNET_IPV4R, vcNET_IPV6R }     vc_net_nx_type;
1134765417 M * blackfire is any of these a broadcast addr? (sorry for all these questions btw)
1134765430 M * blackfire or how else do i specify broadcast?
1134766619 J * Vratha ~unix@snow.cs.siue.edu
1134766622 M * Vratha hi
1134766623 M * blackfire well, that's all for today from me ;) good night everybody
1134766632 N * blackfire blackfire^away
1134766660 M * Bertl welcome Vratha!
1134766707 M * Vratha is it possible to do NFS mounts from inside a guest server?  i set the host vserver's portmap to only bind to loopback, and in the guest server, when i do "mount domain.name:/usr/src /mnt", it gives me "mount: permission denied".. which doesn't tell me much... i am not finding logs on the guest, host, or NFS server regarding the problem
1134766714 M * Vratha thanks Bertl ;)
1134766759 M * Bertl well, mostly depends on _what_ you want to do/allow
1134766774 M * Bertl (and of course, what kernel/patches you use)
1134766793 M * Vratha well, i have the patches that are available in debian-sarge.. let me check the number real quick
1134766839 M * Vratha version 1.9.5.3 on a 2.4.27 kernel (to be changed to 2.6.x this weekend)
1134766857 M * Bertl well, I really doubt that :)
1134766891 M * Bertl (not even Ola can get that wrong, I hope :)
1134766905 M * Vratha what do you mean?  that's what apt-cache is showing me
1134766915 M * aba Bertl: you're still an optimist
1134766925 M * Bertl really? well, there is no 1.9.x release for 2.4
1134766937 M * Bertl the 1.9.x releases are for 2.6 kernels only
1134766959 M * Vratha maybe they bunched the patches together, because i can apply the same patchset to both 2.4 and 2.6
1134766976 M * Bertl aba: and yes, I'm an optimist! :)
1134766995 M * Bertl Vratha: let's start with testme.sh (to get some idea)
1134767005 M * aba 1 kernel patch package can have different patches for different kernels
1134767038 M * Bertl Vratha: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh
1134767057 M * Bertl execute on the host (as root) and upload the output to pastebin.com (or so)
1134767063 J * Doener doener@i5387F21E.versanet.de
1134767063 M * Vratha ok hang on
1134767073 M * Bertl welcome Doener!
1134767083 M * Doener evening!
1134767107 M * Vratha http://rafb.net/paste/results/sz0U3G93.html
1134767112 A * aba wanted to clean up tonight, and disappears again ...
1134767173 M * Vratha i'm checking the Linux-Vserver-Paper.. where would the information about "possibly" using NFS inside a guest server be?  
1134767198 M * Vratha ah, looks like private namespaces
1134767211 M * Vratha hell, i don't even know if what i've got on 2.4.x has private namespaces
1134767494 M * Vratha well, to save you some trouble, i'm going to just upgrade all the kernel and user-space vserver utils outside the debian sarge tree and see if i can get things working that way first
1134767505 M * Vratha if i still have problems and the docs don't help, i can then check back here ;)
1134767974 J * NikDaPhreak ~NikDaPhre@193.24.241.34
1134767983 M * NikDaPhreak hi all
1134768150 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134768418 Q * Vratha Quit: leaving
1134769013 J * jamal ~jamal@p548CB184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134769306 M * jamal hi. i am inside a guest system and would like to know how much memory in total all currently running processes of this guest system consume. top and free only show the totals of the host system. how do i do this?
1134769328 M * Bertl enable virt_mem?
1134769365 M * jamal can i do this without access to the host?
1134769376 M * Bertl hmm, no, not really
1134769399 M * Bertl in this case you probably want to sum up the ps auxwww output
1134769404 M * aba (you might want to try to breakout? :)
1134769443 M * Bertl yeah, chances are good if the provider uses debian^Wdubious sources :) 
1134769461 M * aba Bertl: any reseaonable root hole is enough
1134769475 M * Bertl aba: btw, you should talk with micah
1134769496 M * jamal Bertl: re ps: that's something I would like to avoid but if there's nothing else that'll have to do.
1134769501 M * aba Bertl: why?
1134769501 M * Bertl aba: we had a meeting here in Princeton ...
1134769506 M * aba ah, ok
1134769511 M * aba yes, I should talk with him
1134769538 M * Bertl for the glory debian future :)
1134769561 M * Bertl jamal: well, do you know the kernel patch version?
1134769574 M * Bertl jamal: maybe it does blend through (uname)
1134769739 M * jamal Bertl: i only know that  i am running kernel 2.4.31. uname -a doesn't tell me anything else interesting. what other way is there for me to find out about the patch version?
1134769764 M * Bertl hmm, well, the 2.4.31 is probably information enough ...
1134769785 M * Bertl jamal: I don't think that you have another option than summing up ps
1134769849 Q * jeeves Quit: Leaving
1134769850 M * jamal Bertl: ok, but's that a clear answer and that's also good for me. thanks.
1134769862 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1134770001 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection
1134770016 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1134773989 Q * Klaus Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1134775075 Q * NikDaPhreak Quit: Hybernating my brain....
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1134776156 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1134776769 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1134776912 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later
1134776919 N * Bertl Bertl_oO