1134000396 M * emp is there anything else i have to do to add an interface to a vserver other than create the files under /etc/vservers/<blah>/interfaces ?
1134002490 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134002584 J * anonc ~anonc@203.26.95.33
1134002608 M * derjohn emp, still trying? 
1134002694 M * derjohn emp, vserver foo build --force -m skeleton --hostname foo.vservers --netdev eth0 --interface m.y.i.p/24 --context 42 then copy the image in and do vserver foo start
1134002720 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134003641 Q * mugwump Remote host closed the connection
1134003647 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134005051 J * Aiken ~james@203.164.233.223
1134005353 M * emp thanks derjohn 
1134005499 M * derjohn emp, de nada !
1134006298 J * comfrey ~comfrey@64.105.253.69
1134006339 M * comfrey any one know of why i may see a 5 second delay in all network connections...
1134006374 M * comfrey i am seeing this on a vserver, and it happens with mail, pings, and dig...
1134006384 M * comfrey dunno what the issue could be...
1134007062 M * micah howdy comfrey
1134007075 M * micah I just made a util-vserver-0.30-209 backport to sarge
1134007083 M * micah I recommend updating to that sucker
1134007096 M * micah regarding your network issues... it sounds like a resolver problem
1134007177 J * gerrit ~gerrit@71.193.197.124
1134007346 J * mep_ mep@p5091C23D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134007782 J * iprone ~iprone@65.12.167.27
1134007790 Q * mep__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134008609 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134009851 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134010935 J * mep__ mep@p5091A3B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134011363 Q * mep_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134012576 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1134012585 M * Bertl evening folks!
1134012667 M * anonc evening bertl!
1134012716 M * anonc noticed 2.1-r10 is out - anything overwhelming in this point release over rc9?
1134012843 M * Bertl hmm, fair io scheduling maybe ...
1134013248 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
1134013264 M * Bertl hmm, good evening stefani!
1134013276 M * stefani hola guten morgen to you
1134013286 M * stefani or are you still in US? 
1134013294 M * Bertl hehe, yes, so evening too
1134014355 M * matti :)
1134014684 M * Bertl hey matti, still awake?
1134015005 M * matti Yes.
1134015006 M * matti :)
1134016716 Q * iprone Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134018106 M * Bertl night everyone .. cya tomorrow ...
1134018113 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1134018221 M * matti Goodnight Bertl.
1134020542 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134021964 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1134022553 Q * dos000 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134023801 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134023808 J * dos000 ~dos000@70.29.202.247
1134024022 Q * eyck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134024252 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134026392 Q * eyck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134026782 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1134027095 Q * cemil Remote host closed the connection
1134027169 Q * dos000 jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
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1134027169 Q * FireEgl jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
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1134027221 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134027221 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134027221 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
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1134027527 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
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1134027527 J * dos000 ~dos000@70.29.202.247
1134027527 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134027527 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134027527 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134027527 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
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1134027839 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134027839 J * cemil_ ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1134027839 J * dos000 ~dos000@70.29.202.247
1134027839 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134027839 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134027839 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134027839 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
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1134028082 Q * eyck jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
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1134028143 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134028143 J * cemil_ ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1134028143 J * dos000 ~dos000@70.29.202.247
1134028143 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134028143 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134028143 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134028143 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1134030446 J * robig ~robig@212.80.250.154
1134030695 M * robig good morning
1134031164 M * andrew_ Question: Does any effect on enable  or disable hyper-threading?
1134031331 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1134031754 M * andrew_ Bertl_zZ: Do you recommend enable or disable hyper-threading for vserver's performance?
1134031819 M * supastuff I don't know about vserver, but generally ht causes problems at high load
1134031851 M * andrew_ supastuff: So you recommend to disable HT on vserver host?
1134031864 M * supastuff I don't have the answer for you.
1134031910 M * andrew_ supastuff: No problem, I will wait for Bertl. :)
1134031964 Q * dos000 Quit: Leaving
1134033833 Q * robig iridium.oftc.net strange.oftc.net
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1134033833 Q * nokoya jupiter.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net
1134033833 Q * MostlyHarmless jupiter.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net
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1134033833 Q * derjohn jupiter.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net
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1134033833 Q * mcp jupiter.oftc.net iridium.oftc.net
1134033866 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1134033866 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1134033866 J * [MUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1134033866 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1134033866 J * MostlyHarmless ~mh@melbourne.mostly-harmless.ca
1134033866 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be
1134033866 J * sizo janek@openbug.org
1134033866 J * bragon ~bragon@god.geeknode.org
1134033866 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1134033866 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1134033866 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1134033866 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net
1134033866 J * kavorka ~mike@69-161-69-17.bflony.adelphia.net
1134033866 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1134033866 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
1134033866 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1134033866 J * FaUl QtK14BPkbU@verbrennung.org
1134033866 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1134033866 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1134033866 J * infowolfe jthm@209-112-219-176-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1134033866 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1134033866 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1134033866 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1134034258 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1134037778 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-197.lhi.is
1134037985 Q * flock Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134038433 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1134039492 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-202.lhi.is
1134039812 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1134039817 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-71-193-197-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1134039824 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1
1134039838 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com
1134040004 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1134041786 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1134042691 J * brcc bruce@brc.dedicado.info
1134043656 Q * balbir Quit: Leaving
1134044289 J * BNC-Kara ~Kashira@wan11.ihredomainadresse.de
1134044297 N * BNC-Kara Kara_
1134044941 Q * nox Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134045074 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de
1134045541 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.2
1134045798 J * id23 ~id@p54A03CAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134045805 N * id23 id
1134045813 M * id Hello #vserver
1134046163 M * FaUl hey id
1134046211 M * Kara_ hi id
1134046708 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134050433 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1134050438 M * Bertl morning folks!
1134050570 M * Bertl andrew_: I'd enable HT with the SMT scheduler (which is supposed to take care about that)
1134050712 J * iprone ~iprone@65.83.231.99
1134051917 M * andrew_ Bertl: SMT scheduler? Does it a option in kernel config?
1134052155 M * SiD3WiNDR ues
1134052158 M * SiD3WiNDR yes even
1134052970 M * Bertl andrew_: yep
1134053747 M * michal_ SMT =! SMP ?
1134053762 M * michal_ Symatric Multi Threading or what ? ;p
1134053822 M * Bertl yep
1134053833 M * michal_ interesting... will google for it
1134053915 M * Bertl the major difference is, that SMT cpus share certain things, while SMP do not
1134053975 M * michal_ indeed
1134053996 M * michal_ making OS aware of it is logical step
1134054026 M * michal_ su -
1134054042 M * Bertl sorry, insufficient permissions :)
1134054050 M * michal_ y. ups ;p e17 has focussed not thins window i was thinink about ;p  
1134054400 M * Bertl okay, moving out .. back later
1134054408 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1134054514 J * PilatomiK ~tek@ADijon-151-1-29-187.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr
1134054584 M * PilatomiK hello hello
1134054661 M * PilatomiK I have a question about pentium 4 hyperthreading function & vserver. Since I had patching my kernel (2.6.14 on debian unstable) only one cpu are used by the kernel. How to enable the second cpu ?
1134054905 M * harry ?
1134054971 M * harry you've got a point
1134054983 M * harry smt doesn't seem to work!
1134055015 M * harry PilatomiK: btw... dependign on vserver implementation there is a sollution for it
1134055024 M * harry tough i don't know if it is... Bertl_oO ? ;)
1134055036 M * harry PilatomiK: with smt, there still IS only ONE cpu
1134055037 M * PilatomiK okay, I don't found a lot of information on google on this subject
1134055097 M * PilatomiK harry : no, with a "standard" SMP kernel I'have 2 cpu in /proc/cpuinfo (same as under windows)
1134055109 M * harry PilatomiK: with smt there is only 1 cpu
1134055113 M * harry with smp, there are more
1134055128 M * harry but smt is not really multiprocessing
1134055141 M * PilatomiK yes you're right
1134055144 M * PilatomiK dual core
1134055146 M * harry it's even slower to have 2 cpu's in smt than 1 where smt is disabled
1134055153 M * harry ??
1134055157 M * harry no, not dualcore
1134055164 M * harry dual core is 2 cores on 1 cpu
1134055198 M * harry hyperthreading is : taking time that a cpu waists for i/o stuff etc... and put that in "another" cpu
1134055204 M * harry but there is only 1 cpu
1134055217 M * Kara_ it works fine for my p4
1134055221 M * harry so in some cases it's faster, in some it makes the system slower
1134055277 M * harry basicly , smt is just a "different" scheduling for cpu
1134055292 M * PilatomiK in fact with the system monitor (under linux) : often cpu 0 down when cpu 1 up and the contrary is right
1134055332 M * PilatomiK but in some case, cpu 0 et cpu 1 is higher than 50% load
1134055396 M * PilatomiK it's right It should work better in dual channel mode (I have only one DDR2 memory)
1134055419 M * harry Kara_: which preemption model did you choose?
1134055444 M * harry PilatomiK: you're really saying freaky stuff imho
1134055454 M * PilatomiK ???
1134055460 M * PilatomiK and sorry for my english
1134055471 M * harry 16:22 < PilatomiK> but in some case, cpu 0 et cpu 1 is higher than 50% load
1134055472 M * harry 16:23 < PilatomiK> it's right It should work better in dual channel mode (I have only one DDR2 memory)
1134055476 M * harry ????????
1134055484 M * harry what does ddr2 memory have to do with smt?
1134055506 M * harry end it's perfectly possible that cpu0 is doing nothing while cpu1 is 100%
1134055529 M * harry int main() {for(;;);}
1134055538 M * harry running that will get 1 cpu at 100%, the other at 0
1134055557 M * PilatomiK harry : processor stuff work better with an higher bandwidth
1134055575 M * PilatomiK on memory
1134055583 M * harry PilatomiK: and computers work faster with fast disks
1134055606 M * harry also, a bigger screen normally has higher resolution
1134055615 M * harry all true, but totally irrelevant
1134055720 M * PilatomiK hard disk speed doesn't play on calcul operation (if you don't swap)
1134055727 M * harry neither does memory
1134055754 M * harry because memory is slow, they made something like smt (to "fill the void") (iirc)
1134055772 M * harry but the northbridge speed is what it is
1134055787 M * harry if you have 1 or 8 memory banks in use)
1134055813 M * harry just like your southbridge is 32 or 64 bits and running at 33, 66, 100 or 133MHz
1134055845 M * harry and normally you only have 1 pci bridge to share it ...
1134055895 Q * eyck Read error: Connection reset by peer
1134055904 M * PilatomiK It's an MSI 925X with dual channel support (more faster with 2 memory bank) but we are trolling now ;) lol
1134055947 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134056629 M * PilatomiK thanks cu
1134056885 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1134056888 M * Bertl back now ...
1134056951 M * Bertl PilatomiK, harry: what was the SMP vs SMT conclusions you reached yet?
1134057082 M * PilatomiK harry is right : smp is very better than smt .... in some case smt is more faster than single (on the same station). are you ok harry ?
1134057103 M * PilatomiK for the question SMT & vserver : it's working for Kara_ 
1134057150 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-247-54.netcologne.de
1134057184 M * Bertl welcome Smutje!
1134057206 M * Bertl PilatomiK: okay, that's basically the right direction ... here a few additional ideas/hints:
1134057238 M * Smutje hi 
1134057249 M * Bertl - UP (or non SMT) <= SMT <= SMP
1134057259 M * Bertl (in 99% of all cases)
1134057287 M * Bertl - vserver has no effect to or change in SMT/SMP
1134057301 M * Bertl - SMT and SMP both reduce latency
1134057369 M * Bertl - recent kernels support SMT scheduling (which improves SMT not SMP performance)
1134057482 M * PilatomiK it's right yes
1134057502 M * PilatomiK I will try Kara_ .config configuration
1134057532 M * Bertl especially check the following things:
1134057541 M * Bertl - ACPI (required for SMP/SMT)
1134057556 M * Bertl - SMP enabled (also required for SMT)
1134057573 M * Bertl - NR CPus min 4
1134057618 M * PilatomiK I'm not sure for ACPI configuration, SMP is on and number of cpu is 8 (default=
1134057790 M * Kara_ I will drive home. Cya later
1134057815 M * Bertl PilatomiK: also check that HT is enabled in the bios
1134057827 M * PilatomiK Bertl : my .config http://pastebin.com/454100 (with vserver patch of course)
1134057831 M * Bertl (and of course, your cpuinfo shows ht as option)
1134057845 M * PilatomiK and I sea only one cpu in the cpuinfo
1134057891 M * PilatomiK flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx pni monitor ds_cpl
1134057895 M * PilatomiK it's ok 
1134058065 M * PilatomiK I will test Kara_'s config and I will come back later 
1134058066 M * PilatomiK cu
1134058070 Q * PilatomiK Quit: Leaving
1134058951 A * harry is back
1134059126 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving
1134059142 M * Bertl wb harry!
1134059479 M * harry tnx
1134059715 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1134059797 M * Bertl morning stefani!
1134059845 A * harry off... time to go home
1134060077 M * stefani morgen. 
1134062649 M * Bertl folks interested in doing linux-vserver PR please contact me
1134062663 M * matti PR?
1134062675 M * Bertl Public Relations Stuff
1134062729 M * matti Heh.
1134063090 M * Bertl off for lunch now .. back later
1134063096 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1134063233 M * SiD3WiNDR heh
1134063239 M * SiD3WiNDR like defending it on mailinglists? ;)
1134063689 M * ag- Bertl_oO: like giving conferences?
1134064223 J * Breaker_uk ~bsuki@host86-134-205-96.range86-134.btcentralplus.com
1134064490 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is
1134065300 M * Hollow Bertl_oO: which tasks would PR include?
1134066417 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net
1134066908 Q * shedi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1134067148 Q * derjohn jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Hollow jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
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1134067148 Q * harry jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * MostlyHarmless jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * nokoya jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * [MUPPETS]Gonzo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Vudumen jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * bragon jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Greek0 jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * mcp jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * lilo_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * ag- jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * neofutur jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Breaker_uk jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * stefani jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Smutje jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * iprone jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * id jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * nox jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * brcc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * anonc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * gerrit jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Pazzo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * sladen jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * FireEgl jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * aba jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * eyck jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * mnemoc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * Loki|muh_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * mugwump jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067148 Q * cemil_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067193 J * Breaker_uk ~bsuki@host86-134-205-96.range86-134.btcentralplus.com
1134067193 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1134067193 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-247-54.netcologne.de
1134067193 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134067193 J * iprone ~iprone@65.83.231.99
1134067193 J * id ~id@p54A03CAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134067193 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.2
1134067193 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net
1134067193 J * brcc bruce@brc.dedicado.info
1134067193 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1134067193 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com
1134067193 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-71-193-197-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1134067193 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1134067193 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1134067193 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1134067193 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1134067193 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1134067193 J * infowolfe jthm@209-112-219-176-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1134067193 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1134067193 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1134067193 J * FaUl QtK14BPkbU@verbrennung.org
1134067193 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1134067193 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
1134067193 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1134067193 J * kavorka ~mike@69-161-69-17.bflony.adelphia.net
1134067193 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net
1134067193 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1134067193 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1134067193 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1134067193 J * bragon ~bragon@god.geeknode.org
1134067193 J * sizo janek@openbug.org
1134067193 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be
1134067193 J * MostlyHarmless ~mh@melbourne.mostly-harmless.ca
1134067193 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1134067193 J * [MUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1134067193 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1134067193 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1134067193 J * cemil_ ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1134067193 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134067193 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134067193 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134067193 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1134067434 Q * entroposcope jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Vudumen jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * [MUPPETS]Gonzo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * nokoya jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * MostlyHarmless jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * sizo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * alexx jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * daniel_hozac jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * kavorka jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * mef jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * TheSeer jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * FaUl jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Hollow jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * derjohn jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * infowolfe jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * ntrs_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * harry jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * DaCa jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * bragon jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Greek0 jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * neofutur jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * ag- jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * lilo_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * mcp jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Pazzo jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * anonc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * brcc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * nox jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * id jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Smutje jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * stefani jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * sladen jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * iprone jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Breaker_uk jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * gerrit jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * FireEgl jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * aba jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * Loki|muh_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * mugwump jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * mnemoc jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * eyck jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067434 Q * cemil_ jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1134067496 J * Breaker_uk ~bsuki@host86-134-205-96.range86-134.btcentralplus.com
1134067496 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1134067496 J * Smutje ~Smutje@xdsl-84-44-247-54.netcologne.de
1134067496 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71
1134067496 J * iprone ~iprone@65.83.231.99
1134067496 J * id ~id@p54A03CAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1134067496 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.2
1134067496 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net
1134067496 J * brcc bruce@brc.dedicado.info
1134067496 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au
1134067496 J * entroposcope ~entroposc@user-0c992og.cable.mindspring.com
1134067496 J * gerrit ~gerrit@c-71-193-197-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net
1134067496 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it
1134067496 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1134067496 J * mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de
1134067496 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1134067496 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1134067496 J * infowolfe jthm@209-112-219-176-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net
1134067496 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.37.19
1134067496 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1134067496 J * FaUl QtK14BPkbU@verbrennung.org
1134067496 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1134067496 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
1134067496 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1134067496 J * kavorka ~mike@69-161-69-17.bflony.adelphia.net
1134067496 J * neofutur ~neofutur@neofutur.net
1134067496 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1134067496 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se
1134067496 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net
1134067496 J * bragon ~bragon@god.geeknode.org
1134067496 J * sizo janek@openbug.org
1134067496 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be
1134067496 J * MostlyHarmless ~mh@melbourne.mostly-harmless.ca
1134067496 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my
1134067496 J * [MUPPETS]Gonzo gonzo@langweiligneutral.deswahnsinns.de
1134067496 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx
1134067496 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1134067496 J * cemil_ ~cemil@defiant.wavecon.de
1134067496 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz
1134067496 J * aba ~aba@eos.turmzimmer.net
1134067496 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de
1134067496 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.US
1134068235 M * bragon pas mal :)
1134068600 Q * Breaker_uk Quit: »¡« Scøøp Script 2004 »!« get it for free at www.scoopsite.com
1134070070 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1134070628 Q * iprone Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134070890 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1134070897 M * Bertl back now ...
1134070951 M * Bertl ag-, Hollow, SiD3WiNDR: well, yes and no :)
1134070972 M * Bertl I think we should do some PR work on the upcoming release
1134070994 M * Bertl just goolge for 'OpenVZ' for example
1134070995 Q * prae Quit: Pwet
1134071042 A * Hollow nods
1134071088 M * Bertl so, what I'm doing today is to finalize 2.0.1, and I probably release it tomorrow
1134071122 M * Bertl and it would be definitely great if some folks could do the PR stuff once the release is done
1134071212 M * Hollow well, i'll do the gentoo announce stuff anyway (i.e. Planet Gentoo), i could also submit it to Gentoo Weekly Newsletter
1134071238 Q * comfrey Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134071354 M * micah it should be sent to slashdot and LWN also, would be good to come up with an overview of the changes
1134071404 M * micah I can send it to the Debian Weekly News also, i dont have a blog to post on Planet Debian though
1134072051 M * Bertl great, seems like we can distribute the PR work fairly easily
1134072064 M * Bertl I will handle Freshmeat of course
1134072086 M * Bertl and I will make a changelog available in time
1134072390 M * micah Bertl: are there big changes from -rc5, or is it just making it a release?
1134072398 M * micah I wonder because I just installed -rc5 :)
1134072414 M * Bertl probably no changes at all
1134072474 M * dhansen Hi guys.  Serge, and some other IBM guys are making some progress on our pid virtualization/container patches.
1134072499 M * Bertl sounds good
1134072504 M * dhansen I was thinking of trying to pull a bunch of the interested parties together maybe on a new mailing list
1134072515 M * dhansen You guys, openvz, some of the cluster folks
1134072545 M * dhansen Somewhere "project/product neutral" :)
1134072553 M * Bertl why not ...
1134072588 M * dhansen I don't want to create yet another mailing list :)
1134072599 M * dhansen Just wanted a sanity check
1134072659 M * Bertl hmm, well, not sure what kind of sanity check you expect :)
1134072771 M * dhansen Well, would you join such a list?  That's a start
1134072802 M * Bertl I'm already on so many lists, one more or less does not matter I guess
1134072823 M * dhansen we could hijack the OSDL virtualization list, I guess
1134072938 M * Bertl yep, looks pretty unused :)
1134073021 M * Bertl (except for andi whining about the broken xen merge tree)
1134073089 M * Bertl dhansen: btw, pid virtualization is not enough for checkpointing ...
1134073216 J * iprone ~iprone@lawn-199-77-209-157.lawn.gatech.edu
1134073774 Q * Loki|muh_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134073945 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de
1134074648 Q * sladen Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134074730 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1134075050 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134075238 J * mountie ~mountie@trb229.travel-net.com
1134075475 J * _mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1134075933 Q * mountie Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134077119 M * Psy0rz where to get the vserver-new script for gentoo?
1134077124 M * Psy0rz its not installed after emerging right?
1134077162 M * harry nooooooooooooooo blue
1134077164 M * harry clue
1134077177 A * harry uses a real distro (moehaha... let the distrowars begin!!!!! ;))
1134077186 M * Psy0rz Hollow 
1134077200 M * Psy0rz distrowars are lame :)
1134077216 M * Psy0rz just as lame as war about religon
1134077225 M * harry nono... that's cool
1134077235 M * harry it's (in southpark terms) to thin out their numbers
1134077243 M * Psy0rz lol
1134077248 M * Psy0rz southpark is cool
1134077253 M * Psy0rz they are so right all the time :)
1134077254 M * harry ack
1134077256 Q * iprone Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134077263 M * Psy0rz just saw that episode about aa-meetings
1134077264 M * harry commoooooooooon satan!!!!! ;)
1134077268 M * harry haha
1134077271 M * Psy0rz and that 12step recovery bullshit
1134077290 M * harry bwerk
1134077299 M * harry password cracking with john takes too fucking long!
1134077308 M * harry luckily i have a spare cpu that 's totally idle :)
1134077316 A * harry starting to love this machine :)
1134077322 M * harry (especially since it's free :))
1134077349 A * harry now playing: children of bodom - needled 24/7
1134077374 M * Psy0rz don't you have anything more usefull to do?
1134077382 M * Psy0rz like testing vservers for their security and stuff? :)
1134077388 M * Hollow hu?
1134077389 M * harry Thu Dec  8 22:29:49 CET 2005
1134077393 M * harry not at this time :)
1134077399 M * Hollow which war?
1134077399 M * Psy0rz Hollow i don't seem to have the vserver-new script
1134077404 M * Psy0rz shouldn't it be in the utils package?
1134077406 M * harry Psy0rz: i'm still scanning through the code
1134077413 M * Psy0rz nice
1134077414 M * Psy0rz :)
1134077417 M * Hollow Psy0rz: only if you're on gentoo
1134077422 M * Psy0rz Hollow i am
1134077424 M * Psy0rz duh ;)
1134077430 M * Psy0rz otherwise i wouldn't dare to ask :)
1134077437 M * Hollow well.. ;)
1134077440 M * Hollow you'll never know
1134077442 M * Hollow :)
1134077444 M * Psy0rz lol
1134077445 M * mnemoc he all know how good vserver is (if you don't use debian's), not need to release frecuently ,-)
1134077449 M * mnemoc we*
1134077498 M * Psy0rz Latest version available: 0.30.205-r1
1134077498 M * Psy0rz       Latest version installed: 0.30.205-r1
1134077507 M * Psy0rz should that contain vserver-new, Hollow ?
1134077521 M * Hollow no, you need at least 0.30.208-r3
1134077523 M * Psy0rz i'm going to build a nice nx vserver
1134077525 M * Psy0rz ah ok
1134077526 M * Psy0rz thx
1134077549 M * Psy0rz is it stable yet?
1134077558 M * Hollow but i'd recommend 0.30.209-r1 we did some fixes to vserver-new
1134077561 M * Hollow yeah
1134077568 M * Hollow it even works better than 205
1134077572 M * Hollow it will be stable asap
1134077632 M * Psy0rz k thx
1134077638 M * Hollow Psy0rz: well, i lied
1134077642 M * Psy0rz rofl
1134077643 M * Hollow it is stable already!
1134077644 M * Hollow :P
1134077647 M * Psy0rz ah
1134077649 M * Psy0rz even better :P
1134077684 M * Psy0rz everybody that uses vnc or 'kde remote desktop'
1134077689 M * Psy0rz should try nxserver-freenx
1134077704 M * harry krbd!
1134077705 M * Psy0rz it's so fast you don't notice you're connected to a remote desktop
1134077710 M * Psy0rz krbd indeed
1134077721 M * Hollow does it work on OS X?
1134077723 M * Psy0rz nx is much much better
1134077732 M * Psy0rz perhaps there is a os x client
1134077735 M * Psy0rz server i don't know
1134077736 M * harry Psy0rz: wanna bet??? (on a 56.6k line? ;))
1134077745 M * harry try watching a fullscreen dvd :p
1134077750 M * Hollow well, i'd need only a server
1134077756 M * Psy0rz check their website
1134077761 M * Psy0rz it's a very professional product
1134077766 M * Hollow would be handy for the ibook
1134077771 M * Hollow will do
1134077774 M * Bertl Psy0rz: in what way is it better than tightvnc?
1134077777 M * Psy0rz and then there is nxserver-freenx thats 'free'
1134077780 M * Psy0rz gpl
1134077804 M * Psy0rz Bertl tightvnc just takes 'snapshots' of your screen and downloads them in a efficient way
1134077805 M * Psy0rz however
1134077812 M * Psy0rz nxserver understands the x11 protocol
1134077822 M * Psy0rz and does much more advanced caching and compression on it
1134077831 M * Psy0rz thats why it's so fast
1134077842 M * Psy0rz i would call it realtime
1134077908 M * Psy0rz http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/NX-XProtocolCompression.php
1134077917 M * Psy0rz and they have a open development system
1134077921 M * Psy0rz partially opensource
1134077929 M * Psy0rz and some closed source additional software
1134077982 J * comfrey ~comfrey@dsl-66-78-76-161.ipns.com
1134078004 M * Psy0rz so a nxserver in a vserver is even cooler :)
1134078005 M * Hollow seems like there is no server for osx :(
1134078010 M * Psy0rz oh sucks
1134078013 M * Psy0rz port it ;)
1134078022 M * Psy0rz they probably don't use x11 right?
1134078029 M * Hollow i'd rather use vnc before doing it :P
1134078033 M * Psy0rz lol
1134078033 M * Bertl welcome comfrey!
1134078046 M * Psy0rz so did i convince you Bertl ?:)
1134078070 M * Bertl Psy0rz: convince me about what?
1134078076 M * Psy0rz 22:36 < Bertl> Psy0rz: in what way is it better than tightvnc?
1134078078 M * Hollow Psy0rz: yeah, default gui doesn't use X11, though there is an X11 implementation.. but i guess it's only for displaying widgets in apples gui server
1134078097 M * Bertl Psy0rz: that was an informative question, nothing to convince here ...
1134078109 M * Psy0rz hehe ok
1134078126 M * Bertl I'm not using remote desktop setups to linux machines that often
1134078156 M * Psy0rz well i was fiddling around with vnc when i found it
1134078168 M * Psy0rz vnc also eats resources
1134078178 M * Psy0rz thats no fun when you're building and using vmware on the remote system :)
1134078200 M * Psy0rz >>> Updating Portage cache:   47%   
1134078212 M * Psy0rz cant the portage cache be rsynced as well? 
1134078250 M * Hollow Bertl: jfyi, for 2.0.1 there will be new baselayout scripts with many bug fixes and we'll have stable amd64 support for all packages
1134078271 M * Psy0rz cool
1134078276 M * Hollow Psy0rz: no, its arch dependant
1134078306 M * Psy0rz is there also a gentoo developers channel?
1134078321 M * Psy0rz i dont want to flood Bertl chan with this :)
1134078339 M * Hollow the part of the cache which is not arch dependant is built on the main rsync server, you'll find it in the metadata/ dir, imagine if you'd lack metadata, and you'd have to generate the real cache.. it takes ages!
1134078378 M * Hollow (you can find out how long it takes by: rm -rf /var/cache/edb/dep/ && emerge --regen)
1134078426 M * Hollow Psy0rz: there is freenode#gentoo-vserver
1134078494 M * Psy0rz i dont want to find out :D
1134078496 M * Psy0rz k thx
1134078810 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-028.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1134078936 M * ag- Psy0rz: what exactly is close source in nx?
1134079045 M * Psy0rz the sound and printer part
1134079065 M * Psy0rz where you can actually forward sound, printing, and files
1134079069 M * Psy0rz or something
1134079073 M * Psy0rz and you have support and stuff
1134079078 M * Psy0rz better quality
1134079327 M * Bertl morning Aiken!
1134079549 M * Aiken good whatever
1134079555 M * Aiken not sure if you are morning or afternoon
1134079561 M * Bertl yeah, not sure either
1134079596 M * Kara_ good night everybody
1134079753 M * Bertl night Kara_!
1134080562 J * romke ~romke@procyon.romke.net
1134080574 M * romke Hollow: present?
1134080578 M * Hollow yep
1134080737 M * Bertl welcome romke!
1134080740 M * romke Hollow: weird thing, gentoo guest starts ok but also vserver guest start leaves message: "An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence"
1134080747 M * romke Bertl: hi ;)
1134080783 M * romke Hollow: host is PLD/Linux, apps/init/style -> gentoo, tools on host are 208
1134080784 M * Hollow any other (probably helpful) message?
1134080884 M * romke Hollow: http://romke.net/paste/b990d501bb7561f726edc7cc9a1cfb96 <-- here's paste
1134080912 M * Hollow ah, ic
1134080932 M * Hollow gentoo init style is not needed (i.e. not supported) anymore
1134080953 M * Hollow use plain init style instead
1134080979 M * Hollow which version of baselayout-vserver are you using?
1134081026 M * romke sys-apps/baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1
1134081063 M * Hollow ok, that's fine, you may want to test 1.11.14, it should hit the mirrors in about an hour
1134081076 M * Hollow we did many bug fixes
1134081300 M * romke Hollow: hmm, i've changed for plain initstyle but now I can't see startup sequence (guest seems to start correctly :>)
1134081319 M * Hollow yup, it works then
1134081463 M * romke Hollow: now it will start/stop silently? (heh, I like startup messages :P)
1134081585 M * Bertl well, the messages are now logged to the system log
1134081595 M * Hollow yeah, it's the only drawback, because you don't have a console device for the init process
1134081600 M * Hollow indeed, they are..
1134081600 M * Bertl (that's where init is putting them)
1134081687 M * romke Bertl: system log on guest/host?
1134081699 M * Bertl guest
1134081804 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host-87-74-46-211.bulldogdsl.com
1134081809 M * jayeola hey chaps
1134081815 M * Bertl welcome jayeola!
1134081822 M * jayeola wotcha Bertl 
1134081855 M * romke :(
1134081872 M * jayeola um, how does vserver hosts take to X? does the host like allowing hosts ot use X?
1134081880 M * jayeola s,ot,to
1134081892 M * jayeola or is that an ssh issue?
1134081915 M * mnemoc running an X server needs special capabilities
1134081925 M * Bertl jayeola: what'cha asking?
1134081964 M * jayeola i want to use vservers on this laptop (Xen don't support acpi or apm)
1134081969 M * Psy0rz you could also run a xserver without display
1134081978 M * Psy0rz like nxserver
1134081984 M * Bertl jayeola: okay, so far so good ...
1134082004 M * jayeola i still rely on X for things like firefox, mails and so on
1134082031 M * jayeola i have a basic understanding of ssh and forwarding - but that's about it
1134082045 M * mnemoc can Xvfb be used? 
1134082050 M * Bertl jayeola: okay, keep talkin ...
1134082054 M * Psy0rz so what is your goal jayeola ?
1134082084 M * jayeola have (example) centos host, debain, foo ,blah guests
1134082106 M * jayeola try as many distros as possible on a laptop :-)
1134082150 M * Bertl k, well, if you 'ssh' into a guest (which has X-forwarding enabled) you can start an app from there
1134082156 M * jayeola that's it really. nothing major. i'd like to have at least one guest/host that uses X
1134082199 M * jayeola <nodding/> is that a standard/regular feature. i'm sure that my question is not unusual
1134082224 M * jayeola by "feature" i mean use of vservers
1134082244 M * Bertl there is nothing vserver specific in ssh forwarding
1134082266 M * jayeola right.... so what's this Xvfb then?
1134082289 M * mnemoc virtual framebuffer
1134082315 M * jayeola yah thanks just googled it
1134082448 M * mnemoc http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xvfb-run <--- script to run things inside an Xvfb
1134082458 M * jayeola thanks
1134082577 M * jayeola i'm reading this http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/1461/UIR000330xvfb/
1134082616 M * Psy0rz jayeola you want to run the actual xserver in the vserver? with direct grapics card access?
1134082621 M * Psy0rz dga and opengl stuff that is
1134082648 M * jayeola um, yah i guess so - if it is at all possible
1134082689 M * Psy0rz well
1134082694 M * Psy0rz you also can skip the whole vserver part
1134082695 M * jayeola unless it's a resource killer (memory hog)
1134082698 M * Psy0rz and just run the sstuff chrootted
1134082726 M * Psy0rz oh no thats not possible if you want to run entire distro's :)
1134082732 M * jayeola heh
1134082791 M * jayeola i think i'll look at X-forwarding. it seems to be the *simplest* method so far.... vxfb does seem a bit involved
1134082821 M * Psy0rz but still annoying if you want to test distro's
1134082838 M * Psy0rz it would be nicer to run the xservers nativly inside the distrovserver
1134082842 M * Psy0rz so it's almost 'real' :)
1134082845 M * jayeola yah - but i've gotta start -somehere-
1134082849 M * Psy0rz yup :)
1134082968 M * jayeola right so next question ... i intend to dual-boot. OS 1 is my main distro. OS 2 will be for the vserver testing. once i get the hang of this stuff I'll have just one OS with all of the guests inside it. that a good approach?
1134083053 M * Bertl okay, leaving now .. back later
1134083055 M * Psy0rz yup
1134083057 M * Psy0rz i think so
1134083059 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1134083088 M * Psy0rz you don't need ssh forwarding
1134083098 M * Psy0rz just settings the DISPLAY= variable works also
1134083107 M * Psy0rz less overhead and stuff
1134083127 M * Psy0rz and you should start an entire desktop environment insttead of one app
1134083141 M * jayeola "DISPLAY= variable"? please explain...
1134083181 M * mnemoc ehm... there iare some good 'howto X' around
1134083182 M * jayeola you mean like "echo $DISPLAY"
1134083202 M * Psy0rz jup
1134083204 M * jayeola yah - i'll read a howto
1134083209 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection
1134083209 M * Psy0rz do that :)
1134083224 J * monrad ~mikkel@213083190131.sonofon.dk
1134083260 M * jayeola thanks. um, why do you say it's best to run a whole desktop than start an app for a "vserver/distro"?
1134083352 M * Psy0rz it's easier isnt it?
1134083357 M * Psy0rz not 'better ' :)
1134083362 M * jayeola k
1134083447 M * jayeola thanks - time to test
1134083450 M * jayeola :)
1134083453 P * jayeola 
1134083470 M * romke Hollow: is there any way to see startup messages like in gentoo initstyle?
1134083525 M * Hollow not that i know of
1134083534 M * romke Hollow: :(
1134083577 M * Hollow we'd need terminal virtualization for that...
1134083672 M * Psy0rz or some hacking ;)
1134083713 M * Hollow Psy0rz: i'd appreciate any patch ;)
1134083839 M * Psy0rz i would call it a feature, not a bug uuh patch :)
1134084240 Q * tchan Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1134084329 M * romke Hollow: then what was wrong in using apps/init/style -> gentoo ?
1134084436 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1134084447 M * Hollow it's a dirty hack and doesn't what you expect it to do
1134084454 M * Hollow +do
1134084498 M * Hollow e.g. it confuses the init script dependency cache
1134084506 M * romke hmm, ok
1134084601 M * Hollow plain init style is much more stable, and we even fixed the long outstanding timeout issue some time ago, so it work pretty good
1134084626 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1134084745 M * Hollow i'm off to bed now, night!
1134085136 M * romke Hollow: but there's no quick look if e.g. restart went without "fail"s :|
1134085144 M * romke Hollow: nite