1132359064 Q * FireEgl oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * aba oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * daniel_hozac oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * nokoya oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * Venomous oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * SNy oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * virtuoso oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * lilo oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * mejlholm oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * derjohn oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * AndrewLee oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * MostlyHarmless oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * mugwump oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * tanjix oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * nox oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * lonewolff oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * mountie oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * dhansen oxygen.oftc.net 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jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * eyck oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * case oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * meebey oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * Millox oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * xzu oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * _cereal oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * Loki|muh oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * baggins oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * dddd44 oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * sebi oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359064 Q * neofutur_ oxygen.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1132359106 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-6f1472d5.010-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 1132359106 J * Venomous Venom-One@host210-98.pool8249.interbusiness.it 1132359106 J * nokoya young@hi-230-82.tm.net.org.my 1132359106 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de 1132359106 J * harry ~harry@d515321D1.access.telenet.be 1132359106 J * [MUPPETS]Gonzo 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~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il 1132359106 J * sebi ~sebi@Fce81.f.strato-dslnet.de 1132359106 J * dddd44 dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132359106 J * bragon ~bragon@god.geeknode.org 1132359106 J * Bertl_oO herbert@212.16.62.52 1132359106 J * dlippolt ~dlippolt@cpe-70-112-77-129.austin.res.rr.com 1132359106 J * ComplexHo ~ComplexHo@cpc1-brig3-6-0-cust194.brig.cable.ntl.com 1132359106 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146 1132359106 J * Marchildon ~nicolas@dsl.speedline207.106.electronicbox.net 1132359106 J * Pazzo ~Pazzo@host130-250.pool8172.interbusiness.it 1132359106 J * tchan ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net 1132359106 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1132359106 J * matti matti@linux.gentoo.pl 1132359106 J * baggins baggins@kenny.mimuw.edu.pl 1132359106 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1132359106 J * jkl eric@c-67-173-248-142.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1132359106 J * Hunger Hunger.hu@Hunger.hu 1132359106 J * alexx ~alexx@proxy.ikse.net 1132359106 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de 1132359106 J * dhansen ~dave@sprucegoose.sr71.net 1132359106 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1132359106 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@host86-128-133-145.range86-128.btcentralplus.com 1132359106 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net 1132359106 J * tanjix tanjix@office.star-hosting.de 1132359106 J * mugwump ~samv@watts.utsl.gen.nz 1132359106 J * MostlyHarmless ~mh@melbourne.mostly-harmless.ca 1132359106 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw 1132359106 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.35.186 1132359106 J * ag- ag@caladan.roxor.cx 1132359106 J * Medivh ck@paradise.by.the.dashboardlight.de 1132359106 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1132359106 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net 1132359106 J * Loki|muh loki@satanix.de 1132359106 J * _cereal koepi@217.20.124.153 1132359106 J * xzu ~otto@brucester.a20.net 1132359106 J * Millox ~mattias@shienar.csbnet.se 1132359106 J * neofutur_ ~neofutur@neofutur.net 1132359106 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net 1132359106 J * eyck ~eyck@81.219.64.71 1132359389 Q * Venomous Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1132361459 J * Rudy4Pez ~Rudy4Pez@24-205-227-77.dhcp.atsc.ca.charter.com 1132361464 M * Rudy4Pez Hello? 1132361484 M * derjohn Rudy4Pez, ask you question, not "hello?" :) 1132361493 M * Rudy4Pez Sorry.. 1132361512 M * Rudy4Pez Is there a channel on this server where I can talk to a server op? 1132361583 M * derjohn Rudy4Pez, you thought because this channel name contains the wiord "server", this is op's channel? 1132361589 M * derjohn Rudy4Pez, I dunno .... 1132361604 M * Rudy4Pez Nope.. I asked in here because it had the highest number of users.. 1132361633 M * Rudy4Pez I figured that'd give me the best chance for an answer. 1132361650 M * derjohn let's wait if s.o. else knows ... 1132361663 M * Rudy4Pez k. 1132361680 M * derjohn hm, maybe this helps: http://www.oftc.net/staff/ 1132361716 M * Rudy4Pez Hopefully.. Thanks. 1132361797 M * derjohn Rudy4Pez, what's the matter? Probs? 1132361813 M * Rudy4Pez Well, I'm trying to find out what happened to someone.. 1132361827 M * Rudy4Pez It's never good when people seem to dissappear from the planet.. 1132361827 M * derjohn ah, so no DoS or such .... 1132361844 M * Rudy4Pez This person was a regular in another irc channel on another server.. 1132361877 M * Rudy4Pez The most recent trace I can find of this person indicates that they were moving a chat channel onto this server from another one.. 1132361887 M * Rudy4Pez That channel is now empty.. 1132361902 M * Rudy4Pez But I'm wondering if there might be some record as to who ran it. 1132362113 M * derjohn Rudy4Pez, huh, hm, good luck searching .... out of curiosity I look in the list 1132362126 M * Rudy4Pez List? 1132362129 M * derjohn there is some bot driven #sops 1132362152 M * derjohn eh, yes, goto oftc server main channel and type /list 1132362163 M * Rudy4Pez Right.. 1132362167 M * Rudy4Pez I did that.. 1132362173 M * Rudy4Pez That's how I found this channel. 1132362178 M * derjohn dont call us, we call you :) 1132362322 M * derjohn The requested URL /staff/contact/index.php was not found on this server. 1132362345 M * Rudy4Pez I'd noticed. 1132362388 M * derjohn but you'll find e-mails addy easily, at least I know peter palfrader on that list, he is DD; AFAIR it's waesel@debain.org 1132362392 M * derjohn sry 1132362397 M * derjohn weasel@ 1132362406 M * Rudy4Pez Thank you. 1132362924 M * ag- well, is vdlimit something supposed to work? 1132363017 M * derjohn ag-, no they wrote it to give you a false feeling of disk-space-security ;) 1132363028 M * derjohn ag-, could you be a bit more precise? 1132363123 M * derjohn ag-, did you run over a border you set? are you wonder why df -h in a guest gives yoz flase values? 1132363172 M * ag- derjohn: haha, very funny 1132363206 M * derjohn ag-, man, you question was not very smart? What's the problem with vdlimit? 1132363247 M * ag- derjohn: the problem may not be so smart to your liking, so i'm keeping it for me :P 1132363265 M * derjohn ag-, ok, if you prefer... 1132363521 M * derjohn ag-, I can report, that with vs2.1.0tc4 and reiserfs I set a limit to a guest, which actually ran out of space at a 4 GB limit. I used util-vserver 0.30.208. 1132363542 M * derjohn s/tc/rc 1132363615 Q * Rudy4Pez Quit: 1132363840 Q * Larsioa Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132363871 M * ag- there's something quite funny in when it's said space_total=4000000 and inodes_total=4000000, since an inode is 4 kB by default... 1132363942 M * derjohn ag-, I assume that it refers not the max number of inodes (not the space they represent). You may even run out of them or get DoSed by a user adding zillions of small files ... 1132364059 M * ag- derjohn: probably :) 1132364275 M * derjohn ag-, for ext2/3 you may check with dumpe2fs how many you have and divide them by #of/(guests+1) or so 1132364572 M * ag- i use xfs and by default an inode is 256 b and 2 kB at most 1132364598 M * ag- s/256 b/256 B/ 1132364877 M * derjohn ag-, I dunno XFS utils, I cannot remember the status about XFS support in vs, but the chatlogs would reveal, Bertl mentioned it some days ago... 1132364929 M * derjohn ag-, if you can reproduce you problem, you should report it here when there is a sv developer online (I am not one, just a user) 1132366324 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving 1132367386 J * Cru ~mindwarp@bastardrouterfromhell.e.de.wahlich.com 1132367389 M * Cru moin 1132368291 Q * ryker Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132368345 J * ryker ~ryker@c-67-176-240-74.hsd1.in.comcast.net 1132369893 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1132369900 M * Bertl evening folks! 1132369913 M * ag- i got my explaination why vdlimit doesn't work with xfs: it's simply not handled :) 1132369940 M * ag- /* FIXME: handle xid? */ * 4 in the xfs kernel code :) 1132369945 M * Bertl hmm, yes, xfs is not supported (yet) 1132370011 M * Cru mornin' Bertl 1132370020 M * Bertl hey Cru! 1132370029 M * Bertl Hollow: ping? 1132370083 J * sebi_ ~sebi@Fd706.f.strato-dslnet.de 1132370122 M * Bertl welcome sebi_! 1132370186 Q * sebi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132370259 M * Bertl Hollow: the in context 'sideeffects' are: 1132370270 M * Bertl Hollow: - mask_bcaps() 1132370279 M * Bertl Hollow: - set_init() 1132370308 M * Bertl do you really want that to happen/apply to the process (outside the context) calling set_flags? 1132370724 M * matti :> 1132370750 M * Bertl hey matti! still or already awake? 1132370783 M * matti Hey :] Still. 1132370946 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132374655 M * Cru bbl 1132374671 Q * Cru Quit: use Unices; $live->free() || die; 1132375616 Q * ryker Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132376986 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132377105 J * dddd44 dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132380701 J * renegade334 ~renegade3@shells.vpses.net 1132380729 M * renegade334 anyone about? 1132380797 M * daniel_hozac most likely. 1132383699 M * Hollow morning! 1132383915 M * daniel_hozac morning! 1132387017 Q * MooingLemur Quit: Leaving 1132387598 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132387735 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132395326 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132395399 J * pusling_ pusling@195.215.29.124 1132395410 Q * pusling Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132395428 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132395433 N * pusling_ pusling 1132396148 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1132396150 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132396161 N * _mcp mcp 1132397779 M * sizo moin 1132397836 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132397901 J * Venomous Venom-One@host210-98.pool8249.interbusiness.it 1132397912 M * Venomous hi all 1132397944 M * Venomous freetings to all the fool guys out there ( just crazing ) :P 1132397958 M * Venomous ops *greetings 1132397967 J * dddd44 dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132398415 Q * monrad Remote host closed the connection 1132398552 J * monrad ~monrad@213.83.190.130 1132399460 M * ag- Bertl: a side note: when i use vserver on a loopback device, df (coreutils 5.2.1) always print 0 for Avail. space 1132399472 M * ag- Bertl: it doesn't happen on a real blockdev 1132399504 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132399530 M * ag- s/print/prints/ 1132399589 M * ag- s/loopback/loop/ 1132399596 A * ag- still needs to wake up... 1132399671 Q * Venomous Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' 1132399695 J * dddd44 dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132400361 Q * virtuoso Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132402659 J * virtuoso ~s0t0na@shisha.spb.ru 1132403660 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@209-193-49-16-cdsl-rb1.anc.acsalaska.net 1132403667 M * infowolfe hello Bertl 1132403670 M * infowolfe long time ;-) 1132404276 M * daniel_hozac ag-: with or without dlimit set? does df in the host report it ok? 1132404345 M * infowolfe ag-, would you happen to have a link to Bertl's current dev patches? 1132404365 M * daniel_hozac infowolfe: dev patches? the devel version or what? 1132404937 A * infowolfe points at 2.1.0-rc7 in the topic 1132405358 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1132405665 Q * eyck Quit: Lost terminal 1132406053 J * eyck ~eyck@81.219.64.71 1132406262 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1132407217 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132407250 M * ag- daniel_hozac: without 1132407259 M * ag- infowolfe: ? 1132407317 M * infowolfe ag-, i'm looking for Bertl's latest patches.... 2.1.0-rc7? 1132407343 M * ag- infowolfe: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.14.2-vs2.1.0-rc7.diff 1132407371 M * infowolfe and that's against plain vanilla 2.6.14.2? 1132407389 M * ag- yes 1132407390 M * infowolfe seems like it ;-) 1132407411 J * dddd44 dhb55@218.111.178.108 1132407731 M * infowolfe ag-, is there anything that must be explicitly set in kernel config for ngnet to work? 1132407737 M * infowolfe or did that go away? 1132407826 M * ag- infowolfe: ngnet is not merged yet, it's still in devel phase 1132407839 M * infowolfe so users have no control over their own iptables yet? 1132407870 M * infowolfe what do i need in order to add that support? 1132407878 M * ag- yes, and i don't think they'll ever have 1132407904 M * infowolfe i thought part of ngnet was per-vps iptables. 1132407918 M * ag- infowolfe: there's early dev code here: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/ 1132407922 M * daniel_hozac part of the idea, yes. 1132407943 M * ag- infowolfe: you can read a sum up of ideas here: http://linux-vserver.org/NGNET-Development 1132408161 M * infowolfe let me verify: ngnet hasn't progressed a whole lot in the last year or so? 1132408276 M * infowolfe and the only config options for vserver are in the top level linux vserver menu in make menuconfig? 1132408339 M * ag- infowolfe: you got it, the last working 'testing' version is with patches at 1132408433 M * infowolfe forget it 1132408444 M * infowolfe i'll be around here for a while (just made a new vserver box) 1132408454 M * infowolfe i'll probably be keeping halfway decent track of linux-vserver again ;-) 1132408899 M * Hollow heya infowolfe 1132408905 M * Hollow still on gentoo? ;) 1132408940 M * infowolfe hey Hollow, for servers, of course ;-) 1132408965 M * Hollow not desktops? 1132408968 M * infowolfe new laptop is ubuntu, i don't have time to fiddle with things on my workstation, i need it to "just work" 1132408975 M * Hollow ah, ic :) 1132409003 M * infowolfe <30 minutes from windows to gnome w/ sound and automagic ipw2200 (wifi) w/ wpa-psk ;-) 1132409007 M * infowolfe lol 1132409020 M * infowolfe and my dvd-rw is slow ;-) 1132409039 M * infowolfe as much as i like gentoo, i just can't afford to run it on my workstation, i only have one of 'em ;-) 1132409049 M * Hollow heh, we now have pretty solid vserver support in gentoo, hope you'll like it 1132409049 M * infowolfe but all my servers are happily purring along with gentoo :-0p 1132409057 M * infowolfe i noticed ;-) 1132409062 M * infowolfe thanks 1132409071 M * infowolfe you committing 2.1.0-rc7 soon? ;-) 1132409072 M * Hollow you're welcome! 1132409086 M * matti Hi Hollow. 1132409093 M * infowolfe do axxo and bonsaikitten bug you often? 1132409094 M * Hollow depends when rc8 will be out 1132409097 M * infowolfe lol 1132409100 M * Hollow :) 1132409111 M * Hollow bonsaikitten pinged me a few times, yep 1132409118 M * infowolfe Hollow, just fyi, i setup bonsai/axxo's box for 'em ;-) 1132409145 M * Hollow heh, yeah, i had the pleasure to setup some boxes as well :) 1132409165 M * Hollow dual xeon hyperthreading *yummie* 1132409165 M * infowolfe and nowadays i mainly hang out in #lighttpd -- trying to avoid recent hissyfits by ciaranm/ferringb/vapier and friends ;-) 1132409169 M * infowolfe lol 1132409179 A * infowolfe is setting up a dual 2.8-ht right now ;-) 1132409225 M * infowolfe and MAN is it fast with -j5 ;-) 1132409233 M * infowolfe glibc took ~10 minutes ;-) 1132409235 M * Hollow *rolleyes* they lost some social specialities imo :P 1132409244 M * infowolfe lol 1132409267 M * Hollow i try to evade them too ;) 1132409290 M * infowolfe it's understandable wrt ciaranm and md5, the guy's just trying to watch out for everybody.... but hey, who cares, it was cleared up by robbat2 (who's really one of the nicer people) 1132409306 M * infowolfe lately i've been spending a lot of time with ka0ttic in #lighttpd ;-) 1132409323 M * Hollow well, i don't follow the discussions too closely, since i'd like to code, and not reading mailing lists all day long 1132409358 M * infowolfe yah, my day job keeps me from reading most of the mailing list stuff. 1132409495 M * Hollow infowolfe: like to be bleeding edge? ;) 1132409521 M * infowolfe yup 1132409532 M * Hollow ok, sec :) 1132409540 M * infowolfe as long as it's from Bertl, i trust it ;-) 1132409570 M * infowolfe there are _very_ few devs that have the whole concept of QA down pat... bertl's the only one that's never broke anything for me ;-) 1132409571 M * Hollow hm, it's my ogre :P i rewrote util-vserver ;) 1132409580 M * infowolfe o.O 1132409582 M * infowolfe sweet! 1132409587 M * Hollow (at least parts of it) 1132409590 M * infowolfe lol 1132409594 M * infowolfe svn repo? 1132409598 M * Hollow not everything is reimplemented yet 1132409612 M * infowolfe does it still have full functionality? 1132409618 M * infowolfe (and decent documentation?) 1132409624 M * Hollow i'll create a public svn repo soon, i'll tar my local svn quickly 1132409648 M * Hollow source doc is available ;) 1132409683 M * infowolfe lol 1132409684 M * derjohn Hollow, complete rewrite? for gentoo specials? of do you want to replace enrico's? 1132409702 M * Hollow it's complete rewrite, not gentoo specific 1132409707 M * infowolfe Hollow, if you need a hand with settinag up an svn repo, i'll be as soon as i get my damned authz file done, i'll be happy to host one for you for free 1132409725 M * infowolfe s/i'll// 1132409728 M * Hollow infowolfe: thanks, but i have some idle boxes too :P 1132409729 M * derjohn Hollow, I downloaded you gentoo vserver-new script, but now I know what you meant with no external package mgmt ... 1132409743 M * derjohn harry, I cannot build a gentoo guest on á debian horst .... 1132409744 M * infowolfe Hollow, i've got a multi-svn setup with automagic trac ;-) 1132409757 A * Hollow too :P 1132409763 M * infowolfe derjohn, building gentoo guests is easy ;-) 1132409785 J * Doener doener@i5387EE49.versanet.de 1132409786 M * derjohn infowolfe, on debian host? 1132409791 M * infowolfe derjohn, yah. 1132409821 M * infowolfe get a stage3 from any mirror, unpack it into it's own folder and then do a little editing/removing (which should be covered in current documentation, if it's not, i'll fix that sometime this week) 1132409822 M * derjohn could you post a "vserver build line"? 1132409838 M * infowolfe derjohn, you'd just build standard generic 1132409847 M * infowolfe don't attempt to let the tools do the work for you (that's a pain in the rear) 1132409865 M * derjohn stage3 invid... I gonna get that 1132409885 M * infowolfe basically, you _should_ theoretically be able to unpack a gentoo stage3 and launch into it after doing a basic "generic" vserver config. 1132409886 M * derjohn infowolfe, so I have to build "skeleton" and copy some boottrapper in? 1132409902 M * infowolfe you build the skel and the "bootstrapper" is simply a tarball 1132409916 M * infowolfe if you give me a moment, i can find you some older "premade" gentoo-vserver tarballs 1132409917 M * derjohn infowolfe, ah that's stage3 ? 1132409939 M * derjohn infowolfe, hm , no unpacking should not be a prolem 1132409941 M * derjohn problem 1132409958 M * derjohn I thought there is some "installer" for gentoo i would have to run 1132409959 M * infowolfe derjohn, http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation (find gentoo in there) 1132409970 A * derjohn is gentnoob 1132409972 M * infowolfe derjohn, nope, you're just unpacking a tarball ;-) 1132410014 M * infowolfe derjohn, from nothing to ready to boot, i can build a gentoo box in ~90 minutes (including compiletime) and be fully up-to-date... all over ssh ;-) 1132410023 M * derjohn infowolfe, maybe you folks can convert me from a debian addict to a gentto folk (but I think thats difficult)= 1132410024 M * infowolfe in fact, i just did that this morning ;-) 1132410037 M * infowolfe derjohn, why would i need to convert you? ;-) 1132410051 M * derjohn infowolfe, I can install debian from netboot in less than 10 minutes :) 1132410056 M * Hollow infowolfe: http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver-overlay-20051119.tar.bz2 1132410076 M * infowolfe every distribution has it's strengths, if you're more comfortable with one over another, use the one you're good with ;-) 1132410085 M * derjohn infowolfe, to grow the gentoo community, counter ubuntu etc. :)= 1132410101 M * infowolfe Hollow, 404 1132410109 M * Hollow right 1132410113 M * infowolfe derjohn, linux isn't a competition ;-) 1132410114 M * Hollow http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver/vserver-overlay-20051119.tar.bz2 1132410118 M * infowolfe ah ;-) 1132410122 M * Hollow :) 1132410158 M * infowolfe derjohn, seriously, every distribution has it's strengths and it's weaknesses, people that say "oh, this distro is better than that one" really bug me.. 1132410165 M * infowolfe each has it's own purpose ;-) 1132410170 M * Hollow do not use diet with libvserver yet, it will compile, but util-vserver won't link against it 1132410180 M * Hollow infowolfe: how true 1132410198 M * derjohn infowolfe, I didn't (want to) start a flame war. I know ;) 1132410211 A * infowolfe would never consider using ubuntu or fedora to host oracle on a large multi-cpu box 1132410226 M * infowolfe just like i'd never consider running games on rhel/centos ;-) 1132410233 A * derjohn would never host an oracle 1132410258 M * infowolfe derjohn, if your boss told you that you guys were going to start using oracle and it's your job to build the box, i doubt you'd quit your job ;-) 1132410264 M * infowolfe lol 1132410279 M * Hollow sure, he'd have ;) 1132410282 M * Doener infowolfe: hm, ubuntu was certified for db2 lately, wasn't it? 1132410282 M * derjohn infowolfe, I will try a gentoo guest .. but I have PIII/700 to play ... Imaybe I should go for binaries? 1132410300 M * infowolfe Doener, no clue, don't pay attention to ubuntu for servers, gentoo on servers and ubuntu on desktops ;-) 1132410315 M * Hollow derjohn: if you use a stage3 the only thing you _need_ to compile is syslog-ng 1132410316 Q * derjohn Remote host closed the connection 1132410322 M * Hollow well then 1132410323 M * Hollow :) 1132410324 M * infowolfe derjohn, just make sure that you set MAKEOPTS="-j2" in your /etc/make.conf 1132410332 M * Doener http://www.ubuntulinux.org/newsitems/db2cert 1132410339 M * infowolfe Doener, neat ;-) 1132410354 M * infowolfe too bad they can't ship a stable subversion ;-) 1132410370 A * infowolfe continues complaining about svn 1.2.0 being shipped with 5.10 (breezy) 1132410378 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.35.186 1132410382 M * infowolfe wb derjohn 1132410404 M * derjohn infowolfe, sry, xchat just "vanished" .. grrrrrr .... 1132410412 M * infowolfe derjohn, that happens to me with firefox ;-) 1132410425 M * derjohn infowolfe, I do not use bouncers ... so .... 1132410438 M * infowolfe derjohn, ulimit -C unlimited + set your core to drop someplace static? 1132410450 A * infowolfe needs to do that for his machines *sigh* 1132410453 M * derjohn infowolfe, strange FF runs quite smooth the last months (except flash plugin) 1132410459 M * infowolfe derjohn, distro? 1132410466 M * derjohn debian sid 1132410475 M * infowolfe interesting, ubuntu flash works great 1132410481 A * infowolfe even plays WoW on his box 1132410538 M * infowolfe Hollow, last time we spoke, i was on a p4 3.2 dell laptop, it blew a cap on the mobo, coughed out some "magic smoke" and i got an upgrade ;-) 1132410700 A * infowolfe hugs his geforce 6800 1132411041 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132411136 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de 1132411897 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132411916 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132412438 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de 1132412620 M * derjohn Hollow, where can I find a stage3 archive? 1132412653 M * Hollow http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver/stages 1132412687 M * derjohn Hollow, er, is it a stage3 from you or are you generally responsible for stage3 archs ? 1132412721 M * Hollow it's a vserver stage3, and i'm responsible for them, as i'm the gentoo vserver maintainer 1132412762 M * derjohn Hollow, ah, they are specialized for vserver? is there much differnce to standard gentoo tree (if there is such) 1132412776 M * Hollow yes, it contains baselayout-vserver instead of baselayout 1132412805 M * derjohn OK, I take that :) BTW: you page doesnt mention the archive size ... do you know roughly? 1132412834 M * Hollow hm, it does here 1132412843 M * derjohn and: do you update that URL? or i sit static? I mean you I wget or rsync or such automatically? 1132412845 M * Hollow stage3-i686-20051003.tar.bz2 05-Oct-2005 11:43 82M 1132412883 M * Hollow well, i don't think you'll download a stage that often, they're updated about once every 2 or 3 months 1132412884 M * derjohn ah, sry, I expected there to be packes in the directory tree .. not full tars ... 1132412890 M * derjohn k 1132412902 M * Hollow we don't distribute binary packages 1132412920 M * derjohn i686 vs. pentium 3 ? 1132412935 M * Hollow -march=i686 vs. -march=pentium3 1132412948 M * derjohn Hollow, debian has src packges for every package in the tree (apt-get sourec bla) 1132412959 M * Hollow great! 1132412967 M * derjohn Hollow, that why I thought .. well .. i shouldn't think :) 1132413024 M * derjohn Hollow, oh, I expected that to be the same ....but yes, i686 is P2 .... 1132413031 A * derjohn slaps himself 1132413041 M * Hollow i686 will run on every decent x86 box 1132413060 M * Hollow but pentium3 will not work on an athlon-xp probably 1132413090 M * derjohn Hollow, really??? I don't think so ... but thinking ... as aforementioned ;) 1132413113 M * Hollow i never tried, but i think you'll miss certain optimizations on different cpus 1132413131 M * derjohn I compile my kernels for "p3" (make menuconfig) and they run on athlon ... 1132413147 M * Hollow k.. :) 1132413190 M * derjohn Hollow, I take 686 .... 1132413267 M * derjohn Hollow, wow, fast server :) 1132413291 M * Hollow what's your location? 1132413295 M * derjohn DE 1132413309 M * Hollow line speed? 1132413315 M * derjohn 100FDX 1132413320 M * Hollow fdx? 1132413329 M * derjohn full dulex 1132413354 M * Hollow ic.. it varies, sometimes d.g.o is damn slow 1132413366 M * Hollow well, it hosts all devs :) 1132413371 M * Hollow >300 iirc 1132413484 M * derjohn hell, that must be our new sprintlink to us :) 1132413598 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.96 1132413599 M * derjohn Hollow, 300 users? hm, but large file download sould not create much cpu load ... 1132413615 M * derjohn Hollow, howevery, it ran fine ;) 1132413705 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132413705 N * menomc mnemoc 1132414026 M * infowolfe derjohn, >300 users that all use that machine for misc things ;-) 1132414069 M * derjohn I won't ask further ;) 1132414086 A * derjohn dreams of provoking md5 collisions 1132414106 M * derjohn btw: does vahsify rely on md5 oder sha or what? 1132414165 M * derjohn s/oder/or/ 1132414256 M * derjohn s/vahsify/vhashify/ (*lol*) 1132414927 J * bwana ~bwana@68-117-34-122.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com 1132414935 M * bwana oh hey lookie that 1132414989 M * bwana soo tell me if vserver would be good for my needs or if some other virtualization software would work better 1132414997 M * bwana that is, if any of you are awake 1132415026 M * derjohn bwana, how much linux experience do you have? 1132415032 M * bwana quite a bit 1132415041 Q * Doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132415047 M * bwana what i want thou is for my server 1132415054 J * Doener doener@i5387F50F.versanet.de 1132415061 M * derjohn bwana, what kind of virtualisation are you looking for? 1132415071 M * bwana well 1132415078 M * derjohn baggins, do you need a specific kernel inside your guest? 1132415092 M * derjohn baggins, sry 1132415097 M * derjohn bwana, do you need a specific kernel inside your guest? 1132415115 M * bwana something that will run multipul instances of debian 1132415123 M * bwana like say 3 or four 1132415128 M * bwana all with equal access 1132415138 M * bwana nothing superior or anything like that 1132415155 M * derjohn vserver has ONE kernel and let's say sth like a chroot for every guest 1132415180 M * derjohn -> minimal overhead compared to vmware etc. 1132415180 M * bwana hmm 1132415190 M * bwana well that SHOULD be ok 1132415210 M * bwana what if i wanted every virtualization to have an independant kernel and just all use the same hardware 1132415215 M * derjohn then you should go with linux-vserver. checl docs az linux-vserver.org 1132415234 M * derjohn bwana, in that case you are wrong here 1132415249 M * derjohn then you need vmware, maybe xen ... 1132415256 M * bwana hmm ok 1132415263 M * derjohn (dunno if you guest may be openbsd or qnx ....) 1132415299 M * bwana so with vserver, will the "host" have more power than the "guest" os's 1132415340 M * derjohn bwana, you can set limits for nearly everything in linux-vserver: cpu, disk, etc 1132415366 M * derjohn but you can decide not to limit .. in this case all have the same power 1132415412 M * bwana now as i understand it, they all use the same hd right 1132415441 M * bwana and the guests just use a smaller portion of the hd 1132415454 M * bwana or do th eguests all have a base install or what 1132415470 M * derjohn bwana, they have a directory "mounted" as their root ... 1132415478 M * derjohn you can out that to an own disk if you like 1132415492 M * derjohn but they do NOT need a "disk image" or such 1132415595 M * bwana so if i want to say run mail on one guest and www on another 1132415603 M * bwana would i have to install the www package on that guest 1132415609 M * bwana and the mail package on the other 1132415624 M * derjohn yes, every guest has an own IP (!) and an own distro 1132415628 M * bwana or would it run from the host with both of those packages installed already 1132415634 M * bwana oh ok 1132415637 M * derjohn you may run debian in one guest und suse or gentoo in the other 1132415650 M * bwana so say i do a minimun install just enough to get ssh and netowkring running 1132415660 M * bwana then whatever i add oto the other guests is only on those guests 1132415667 M * derjohn baggins, If you know bsd jails or solaris zones ... this is similar 1132415677 M * derjohn bwana, yes 1132415682 M * bwana ok 1132415683 M * bwana thanks 1132415755 M * derjohn bwana, ok :) have fun with linux-vserver ! 1132416216 Q * infowolfe Read error: Connection reset by peer 1132416445 J * infowolfe ~infowolfe@209-193-49-16-cdsl-rb1.anc.acsalaska.net 1132416449 M * bwana i'll try 1132416473 M * derjohn bwana, search the wiki, there are docs inside. 1132416482 M * derjohn bwana, which distro on the host? 1132416679 M * ag- btw, is it possible to choose a specific xid at a vserver start? 1132416706 M * derjohn ag-, yes, you may set it in the config or do you mean on the cmd-line? 1132416746 M * derjohn ag-, cat /etc/vservers/foo/context 1132416746 M * derjohn 42 1132416747 M * ag- derjohn: both actually 1132416766 M * derjohn on cmd-line: I dunno, in new-style config, see above 1132416790 M * derjohn ag-, you have to set an xid/context, dynamic context are deprectaed AFAIR 1132416796 M * ag- ah! i missed it on the flower page :/ 1132416821 M * derjohn ag-, do you build without util-vserver? 1132416840 M * ag- the "context" item is on a gandja background ;P 1132416845 M * derjohn ag-, it set the minimal stuff (including context) for you 1132416856 M * derjohn ag-, gandja? I have never heard of ;) 1132416888 M * derjohn ag-, with firefox you may use "webdeveleoper" plugin to temporarily disable the stylesheet :) 1132416926 M * ag- no, i built it with the tools and i'm aware of the direct building too (stuff such as chbind -- vcontext -- vnamespace -- and so on) 1132417028 M * derjohn ag-, so you get the context with 'grep -ril /etc/vserver/*' 1132417057 M * ag- i suppose i can use 2 as the first available xid, 0 and 1 are special :) 1132417105 M * derjohn ag-, dunno, I started with 42 :) 1132417114 M * derjohn ag-, but it makes sende .... 1132417117 M * derjohn sense 1132417435 M * ag- so far, no issue with glibc-built tools with vservers used and abused... 1132418812 M * renegade334 i ran the testme scipt and 000, 031, and 202 fail. Host system is running gentoo. anyone have any ideas or a direction they can point me to to fix it? 1132419076 M * Doener ag-: AFAIK glibc issues only appear with external package-management for apt-rpm/yum based vservers 1132419152 M * ag- Doener: so i'm covered with a debian swirl (@) power! ;D 1132419371 M * Doener i don't know for sure though... guess Enrico is the only one to know what exactly happens... 1132420323 P * bwana 1132420650 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch 1132422054 J * Cru ~mindwarp@bastardrouterfromhell.e.de.wahlich.com 1132422069 M * Cru tadaa! 1132422337 M * sizo Cru! 1132422413 M * Cru moin sizo 1132423058 J * stefani ~stefani@c-24-19-46-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net 1132423894 M * ag- how can i halt/reboot a vserver from inside? (the matter is /dev/initctl doesn't exist inside it) 1132423956 M * infowolfe moo. 1132423969 M * infowolfe ag, iirc, there's a hack for that 1132424041 M * ag- hmm, i was wondering if i were going nuts not finding anything about it... 1132424063 M * ag- tough the hack is not in the wiki 1132424072 M * infowolfe ag, i remember something about it, but i can't tell you exactly what it is.... 1132424073 M * ag- s/tough/though/ 1132424116 M * infowolfe ag, look for reboot userspace helper 1132424121 M * infowolfe it was implimented back in 2003 ;-) 1132424137 M * infowolfe http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0249.html 1132424148 M * infowolfe (that was when i was subscribed via a different email address ;-) ) 1132424150 M * ag- http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200311/0115.html 1132424166 M * ag- at the same time with a different message ;) 1132424267 M * infowolfe weird 1132424281 M * infowolfe i'm not seeing reboot helper in current util-vserver /etc/init.d :-S 1132424285 M * infowolfe hrm... looking deeper 1132424307 A * infowolfe can't wait until his 2nd disk arrives for the xeon box... 1132424342 M * infowolfe ag, seems to have been removed somehow... 1132424350 M * infowolfe probably added into userspace code in another way? 1132424379 M * infowolfe there also used to be something called fakeinit that i'm not finding 1132424475 M * infowolfe Bertl_oO, ping -- what happened to reboot-helper and fakeinit? 1132424483 A * infowolfe goes to the store for some mt dew 1132425209 M * ag- infowolfe: fakeinit is a kernel feature in vserver, i'll seek the code... 1132425365 Q * locksy Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132425398 M * ag- haha, well, it was :) 1132425440 M * ag- chcontext --flag fakeinit ps aux doesn't spawn an init process with pid=1 1132425490 M * ag- actually, it didn't anymore... 1132425526 M * Cru bbl 1132425529 Q * Cru Quit: use Unices; $live->free() || die; 1132425833 J * lilo_ tor@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1132426031 Q * lilo Killed (NickServ command used by lilo_) 1132426035 N * lilo_ lilo 1132426038 M * ag- hmm, forget my statements, fakeinit works :) 1132426228 Q * stefani Quit: going away now... 1132427062 J * ntrs__ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1132427416 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132427434 J * bwana ~bwana@68-117-34-122.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com 1132427438 M * bwana question 1132427450 M * bwana if i have 1 nic in the host 1132427463 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de 1132427467 M * bwana i can have all the guests share it with different ip's right 1132427501 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132427527 M * bwana with the only problem being if all the guests are trying to use the nic at the same time they would be limited by the maximum capacity of the nic / the number of guests 1132427549 M * bwana ? 1132427595 M * daniel_hozac well, yes, you won't get gigabit performance out of a 100 megabit NIC just because you're running vservers ;) 1132427693 M * bwana yes i can assume i won't get higher performance out of a card that can only do 100 megabit, could i also load the box up with nic's and designate each guest to a nic and thus acheive 100mbit for each guest 1132427789 M * daniel_hozac sure, but remember, vservers are bound to IPs, not NICs. 1132427881 M * bwana so i can put each ip on a seperate nic or throw em all on one 1132428403 P * bwana 1132429167 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1132429686 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection 1132429695 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1132430145 N * _cereal cereal 1132430553 M * ag- infowolfe: first, what i need is the vreboot util to use in my vserver, then vreboot talks (how? socket apparently) to rebootmgr which runs on the host 1132430906 M * ag- it's in legacy code... 1132430946 M * ag- well, i found a way to halt/reboot with halt -f / reboot -f, i don't know if it's really clean, but it works (tm) 1132431291 M * daniel_hozac it is really clean. 1132431316 M * daniel_hozac reboot/halt -f will use vshelper to restart/shut the vservers down. 1132431381 M * ag- ok, nice then 1132431824 Q * renegade334 Quit: leaving 1132432093 J * locksy ~locksy@mrtg.sisgroup.com.au 1132435436 M * infowolfe hrm. 1132435440 M * infowolfe did my internet die? 1132435450 M * infowolfe or is it just really quiet in here 1132435616 M * daniel_hozac really quiet :) 1132435625 M * infowolfe i can tell ;-) 1132435653 M * infowolfe daniel_hozac, when did things get changed to use vshelper? 1132435660 M * infowolfe instead of vreboot/rebootmgr 1132435779 M * ag- infowolfe: i think has been the starting point 1132435877 M * daniel_hozac long time ago... IIRC the 1.9.x series had it. 1132435961 M * infowolfe daniel_hozac, last time i was a vserver user, 1.9 was "new" ;-) 1132436143 M * ag- infowolfe: you didn't use it since? 1132436182 M * infowolfe ag, no reason to, been dealing with attempting to find more processing power than a single machine can provide, not the other way around ;-) 1132436212 A * infowolfe still waits for his DC to reboot his box. 1132437091 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1132437097 M * Bertl evening folks! 1132437122 M * Doener evening Bertl! 1132437199 M * Bertl everything fine? 1132437293 M * Doener sure. what about you? 1132437348 M * Bertl yeah, thanks! 1132437424 M * Bertl did you read about the vroot as module issues? 1132437567 M * Doener last i saw that you said that you want to test if it breaks for you 1132437593 M * Bertl yep, didn't get around to do so .. yet 1132438018 M * Doener i had a look at the nr_running issue, but i didn't find anything... :( had to care about homework then (microcontroller programming, quite interesting stuff :) 1132438094 M * ag- Doener: which kind of microcontroller? :) 1132438195 M * Doener Microchip PIC P16F628A... we're still doing exercises... the real project will use a p18fXXXX (i don't remember which one exactly) 1132438242 M * Doener current task is/was programming it to receive rgb value through rsr232 port and control an ambient orb 1132438261 M * Bertl it's either pic or mc :) 1132438298 M * Bertl why don't folks use arm cores :) 1132438333 M * ag- Bertl: they prefer 16-bit apps :) 1132438357 M * Bertl hmm, right 16bit arm cores are expensive :) 1132438436 M * Bertl Doener: but it's good to hear that some universities/schools still teach hardware related stuff 1132438465 M * Doener Bertl: " P" was stuff i forgot to delete... the chip's called PIC16F628A, but the assembler expects P16F628A 1132438525 A * FaUl has still 'playing around with his atmega128 avr' on his todo-list 1132438559 A * ag- has a coldfire mmu-less laying somewhere... 1132438646 M * ag- ... which makes me thinks i need to give it back to its rightful owner :O 1132438700 M * Doener heh 1132438715 M * FaUl got an interesting project controling a rtl3019 with this chip and write an IP-Stack :-) 1132438756 M * ag- FaUl: with the avr? 1132438766 M * FaUl ag-: right 1132438776 M * ag- cool ;P 1132438914 M * FaUl ag-: the project already exists and is functionable right now, (see http://www.cccac.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BitAmEthernet (german)) 1132439311 M * daniel_hozac does anyone have a minimalist qemu image with some shell and the utils lying around? 1132439544 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net 1132439595 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/QEMU/TEST_32M_public2.img.bz2 1132439635 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1132439746 M * daniel_hozac nice, thanks. 1132439764 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1132439837 J * bwana ~bwana@68-117-34-122.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com 1132439856 M * Bertl welcome bwana! 1132439943 M * daniel_hozac hmm, no vprocunhide? 1132440035 M * bwana ohh hello 1132440044 M * bwana be prepaired to answer a flurry of questions 1132440046 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: hmm, should be there? 1132440061 M * bwana some so dumbfound you head just may explode 1132440122 M * Bertl bwana: I'll take the risk :) 1132440136 M * bwana blah i can't even write proper ingish anymore 1132440147 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: ah, in /usr/lib. 1132440153 M * daniel_hozac it's engrish! 1132440161 M * Bertl etc/rc.d/init.d/vprocunhide 1132440167 M * bwana so what's the best way to get vserver up and running using a debian system 1132440178 M * bwana using the debian packages or using the debian image i found 1132440197 M * Bertl the best way is to compile the ekrnel and tools from mainline 1132440207 M * Bertl (and forget about the debian stuff) 1132440215 M * daniel_hozac ooohhh. /etc/init.d != /etc/rc.d/init.d 1132440228 M * daniel_hozac /etc/init.d seems to have some of the scripts though... 1132440248 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: never said it's the perfect environment :) 1132440256 M * daniel_hozac hehe. 1132440293 M * bwana so just do a base install and use the latest version of vserver on the 2.6 kernel debian comes with? 1132440371 M * Bertl nope, use the vanilla kernel.org kernel (2.6.14.2) with the mainline patches for that, and the mainline 0.30.209 tools 1132440462 M * bwana hmm that could cause stability issues with my box (keeping upgrades dependencies good with apt-get) 1132440466 M * bwana any suggestion then 1132440490 M * Bertl well, using the debian packages (which are mostly broken) will cause stability issues anyway ... 1132440510 M * bwana nuts 1132440513 M * bwana hmm 1132440520 M * bwana this is gonna be fun 1132440532 M * Bertl 95% of the 'debian' issues we get reported are caused by broken packages 1132440551 M * Bertl the debian maintainer unfortunately doesn't care too much ... 1132440560 M * bwana what is a good distro to use with it 1132440567 M * bwana don't say redhat 1132440588 M * Bertl no, basically any distro is fine, recently gentoo has good active support 1132440614 M * Bertl (debian would be fine too, if they would use recent patches without_ broken fixes) 1132440637 M * bwana hmm 1132440673 M * Bertl Doener: do you know how to get the sources for a gentoo package (without using gentoo)? 1132440677 M * bwana would a working patch be available for 2.6.8-2 i think it is 1132440700 M * Bertl bwana: probably not, after all it's an ancient kernel ... 1132440726 M * bwana i wonder what slackware uses 1132440753 M * ag- baggins: well, 0.99pre? :) 1132440762 M * ag- oops 1132440769 M * ag- it was for bwana :/ 1132440781 M * bwana no worries 1132440785 M * Bertl bwana: 35634061 Aug 14 2004 linux-2.6.8.tar.bz2 1132440807 M * Bertl (that's the release date :) 1132440818 M * bwana hehe yea but will it work great 1132440835 M * Bertl 2.6.8? no, 2.6.14.2, yes :) 1132440843 M * bwana :) 1132440845 M * ag- bwana: basically, if you want to use sarge, use a kernel from mainline, they're fine, it's what i do 1132440862 M * bwana allright then 1132440874 M * ag- bwana: and for the tools, compile the last upstream youself 1132440880 M * ag- *yourself 1132440909 M * ag- the state of the debian source package is ugly in ugliness 1132440940 M * ag- with some lintian overrides to make things uglier :( 1132441105 M * ag- i'm ranting, but applying to become DD (to take over the package) would take years anyway... 1132441267 M * daniel_hozac didn't someone try that already? 1132441308 M * ag- the package isn't sponsored 1132441317 M * ag- so i guess not 1132441356 M * daniel_hozac as i recall, there are quite a few DDs around... 1132441376 M * ag- probably overbooked too :) 1132441404 M * Bertl well, problem is/was that Ola does not want to give up on the packages 1132441423 M * ag- look at the guy who "maintains" util-vserver, he has lots of packages to maintain and doesn't care about util-vserver 1132441446 M * ag- Bertl: this is also an issue 1132441466 M * Bertl that's actually the main issue ... 1132441488 M * ag- what would be nice could be to produce our own debianized version 1132441508 M * Bertl there are a bunch of 'working' packages floating around 1132441620 M * daniel_hozac can qemu emulate SMP? 1132441631 M * Bertl unfortunately not yet 1132441711 M * daniel_hozac darn. 1132441808 Q * bwana Quit: doh 1132441825 J * bwana ~bwana@68-117-34-122.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com 1132441833 M * bwana bleech 1132441923 M * Doener Bertl: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml -- on a mirror, cd into "distfiles", but that misses the patches... you could use a portage snapshot for them though 1132442013 M * Bertl hmm, k, tx 1132442043 M * Doener Gentoo doesn't have 'a' source package. It's basically mainline source + patches (which are stored in the portage tree, of which i don't if it is available through http/ftp) 1132442113 M * Doener hm, ok, here is one... http://mozilla.mirrors.tds.net/pub/gentoo-portage/ 1132442122 M * Bertl ah, great, tx 1132442231 M * Doener basically you have to go like this: find right directory, open the right .ebuild file, search for SRC_URI and epatch in that file. then you should know where the mainline source is and which patches are to be applied 1132442258 M * Doener patches are usually in the files/ directory, e.g. http://mozilla.mirrors.tds.net/pub/gentoo-portage/sys-cluster/util-vserver/files/ 1132443565 M * Hollow heya! 1132443604 M * Hollow Bertl: libvserver compiles with diet, util-vserver still needs some modifications, but i'm at it 1132443615 M * Bertl ah, great! 1132443642 M * Bertl Hollow: did you read my messages regarding the set_flags trigger semantics? 1132443655 M * Hollow yeah, you're right, and i already fixed it in the source 1132443666 M * ag- Hollow: were you not reimplementing a vserver-tools from scratch with your libvserver? 1132443671 M * Bertl Hollow: okay, so that works fine now? 1132443684 M * Hollow yep, works 1132443710 M * Hollow ag-: yeah, http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/vserver/vserver-overlay-20051119.tar.bz2 1132443751 M * ag- Hollow: but i take it you're also porting util-vserver to use your libvserver, right? 1132443767 M * Hollow well, i reimplemented util-vserver with libvserver 1132443774 M * Hollow i will not port old util-vserver to libvserver 1132443794 M * ag- ok 1132443852 M * Hollow Bertl: what were your gentoo questions about? 1132443873 M * Bertl Doener: already answered them, was looking for package sources 1132443878 M * Hollow ah ok 1132444143 M * ag- Hollow: basically with your tools, we can now throw away legacy mode in kernel space? 1132444165 M * Hollow exactly 1132444169 M * ag- great! 1132444260 M * Hollow but be aware that in the current state many things are not reimplemented 1132444280 M * Hollow e.g. no network setup at all yet