1130717130 M * jayeola wl 1130719596 M * NikDaPhreak en! 1130719597 M * NikDaPhreak שםש SignOff prae: #vserver (Quit: Pwet) 1130719597 M * NikDaPhreak שםש SignOff jayeola: #vserver (Quit: leaving) 1130719597 M * NikDaPhreak שםש jayeola [~jayeola@host-87-74-35-175.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #vserver 1130719597 M * NikDaPhreak שםש ntrs [~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #vserver 1130719598 M * NikDaPhreak 02:04AM wl 1130719598 M * NikDaPhreak 12:59AM btw, you might check out 0.30.209 :) 1130719600 M * NikDaPhreak 12:59AM um, i've been thrown by that a couple of times /me looks at the source code 1130719600 M * NikDaPhreak 01:00AM mind if i flood a couple of lines from util-vserver-0.30.208/README ? 1130719602 M * NikDaPhreak 01:00AM נ ag-/#vserver gets SIGSLEEP by now... c'ya ;) 1130719602 M * NikDaPhreak 01:01AM Since it is updated very often, it can happen 1130719604 M * NikDaPhreak 01:01AM that a '404 Not found' error occurs; in this case look either 1130719604 M * NikDaPhreak 01:01AM ag-: night then :) 1130719606 M * NikDaPhreak 01:01AM for a newer util-vserver package, or configure the new URI e.g. with 1130719606 M * NikDaPhreak 01:02AM does that mean that i d/load the source for debootstrap? 1130719608 M * NikDaPhreak 01:09AM just grokked the README 1130719608 M * NikDaPhreak 01:18AM Bertl: ping? 1130719610 M * NikDaPhreak 01:18AM Greek0: pong! 1130719610 M * NikDaPhreak 01:19AM what did you want to tell me about my patch earlier today? 1130719612 M * NikDaPhreak 01:20AM hmm, if I just could remember ... 1130719612 M * NikDaPhreak 01:21AM anyway, it was nice to have it, to figure differences 1130719614 M * NikDaPhreak 01:21AM fine :) 1130719614 M * NikDaPhreak 01:22AM you might want to look at the broken down version of 2.0.1 :) 1130719616 M * NikDaPhreak 01:23AM will do, however I'm going to bed for now 1130719616 M * NikDaPhreak 01:23AM good night 1130719618 M * NikDaPhreak 01:23AM good night then! 1130719632 M * Bertl hmm, nice :) 1130719670 M * Bertl NikDaPhreak: do you have a cat? 1130719714 M * NikDaPhreak no, but my mouse (err... track point) is enough ;-) 1130719719 M * NikDaPhreak sorry 1130719765 M * Bertl np, obviously nobody noticed :) 1130719787 M * Bertl looks like BitchX at the first glance ... 1130719841 M * NikDaPhreak right guess.. load average over 5 on my laptop & suddenly thr trackpoint started working! ;-) 1130719900 M * NikDaPhreak i mean selecting and cpoy/paste... didn't use the "mouse" keys, so I assume, the trakcpoint click worked without a driver... 1130719996 M * NikDaPhreak ok, bed time... got to go to work in a couple of hours.. goot night Bertl & everyone :-) 1130720717 M * Bertl night NikDaPhreak 1130724771 P * jayeola 1130726018 J * FireEgl Atlantica@Atlantica.IPv6Tunnel.Info 1130726863 M * matti :) 1130726950 M * Bertl welcome FireEgl! hey matti! 1130726958 M * matti Hi Bertl :) 1130726961 M * matti What's up? 1130726964 M * FireEgl =) 1130726999 M * matti Hm, it seems, that I oversleep winter time shift :) 1130727014 M * Bertl matti: completely :) 1130727069 M * matti Yeaahh ;p 1130727147 M * matti Hmm... But... The point is... Someone want coffee? ;] 1130727147 M * matti ;] 1130727373 M * Bertl sure, always :) 1130727382 J * litage ~nick@203.220.55.70 1130727387 M * litage hey guys 1130727388 M * Bertl welcome litage! 1130727406 M * litage just as cheery as ever, eh Bertl? :) 1130727415 A * matti gives Bertl a cup of fresh and hot coffee - without sugar IIRC? 1130727445 M * Bertl litage: sure, I give my best ... 1130727453 M * matti ;-p 1130727457 M * Bertl matti: yup! 1130727491 M * matti :> 1130727500 M * matti Bertl: Cheers :) 1130727504 M * litage i'm using tcpdump on a vserver host to listen for traffic between two vserver guests (10.0.0.10 and 10.0.0.100). however, ``sudo tcpdump -w ~/albatross-horde.tcpdump -s 2000 host 10.0.0.100 and port 25'' captures no packets. 1130727519 M * litage i've also tried replacing "10.0.0.100" with "127.0.0.1" and "10.0.0.10" 1130727541 M * Bertl litage: try: 1130727568 M * Bertl sudo tcpdump -vvnei lo host 1130727666 M * litage Bertl: that gave this error: tcpdump: ioctl: No such device 1130727699 M * Bertl litage: you ahve no lo device on the host? 1130727710 M * litage Bertl: oops, my mistake :) tyop 1130727713 M * litage hah! typo 1130727733 M * litage awesome possum. gnabbed 47. danke Bertl 1130727787 M * Bertl my pleasure ... 1130728189 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1130728239 J * Johnnie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net 1130728691 M * Bertl night folks, I'm off to bed now ... back tomorrow 1130728791 M * matti Night Bertl. 1130728801 M * Bertl good night! 1130728807 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1130728836 M * litage cya Bertl_zZ 1130730705 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow) 1130732972 M * wally just for me dumbass here - vs2.0 is the current release, but the possible CONFIG_VSERVER_NGNET =y has no support? -> if so why include it in the kenel anyway? 1130738312 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.18 1130738421 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130738421 N * menomc mnemoc 1130741995 J * Nikusan ~Dan@d220-236-224-113.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au 1130742012 P * Nikusan Leaving 1130743806 J * Johnny ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net 1130743807 Q * Johnnie Read error: Connection reset by peer 1130743955 Q * cryo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130744467 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1130745527 J * Doener doener@83.135.221.255 1130746150 N * lilo__ lilo 1130746318 N * lilo lilo_ 1130746351 N * lilo_ lilo 1130747111 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77 1130747152 J * shedi ~siggi@tolvudeild-203.lhi.is 1130747378 P * Aiken Leaving 1130748649 J * cryo ~say@212.86.233.146 1130748906 Q * wally Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org 1130749096 Q * Johnny Quit: G'bye! 1130749115 J * Johnnie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net 1130749777 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1130749823 J * Hollow ~hollow@82.135.28.84 1130752963 P * erwan_taf Leaving 1130754841 J * Givur ~mail@G9940.g.pppool.de 1130754850 M * Givur *waves* Hello all together :) 1130755303 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving 1130755723 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com 1130757467 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1130758901 Q * michal_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130758968 J * michal_ ~michal@mprivacy-update.de 1130759617 J * popo ~popo@196.207.45.254 1130760199 M * popo yo 1130760895 J * Guest89 ~Miranda@83.215.237.5 1130761534 Q * popo autokilled: Abusive behavior. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this in error. 1130763586 J * _mcp ~hightower@wolk-project.de 1130763595 Q * mcp Read error: Connection reset by peer 1130763602 N * _mcp mcp 1130764051 J * iprone ~iprone@65.83.231.99 1130764354 M * mnemoc moin 1130764363 M * mnemoc Bertl_zZ: http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/412072 <--- any clue? 1130765329 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1130765336 M * Bertl morning folks! 1130765419 M * mnemoc moin Bertl! 1130765451 M * Bertl mnemoc: which tools? 1130765563 M * mnemoc 0.30.208 1130765582 M * mnemoc fix02 1130765588 M * Bertl hmm, try with --debug 1130765619 M * mnemoc ++ exec /usr/sbin/chbind --silent --ip 192.168.10.5/24 /usr/lib/util-vserver/exec-ulimit /etc/vservers/lotus/ulimits /usr/sbin/vnamespace --enter 45 -- /usr/sbin/vcontext --silent --migrate --chroot --xid 45 --uid root -- 1130765639 M * Bertl hmm, there is a 'default' shell to be set 1130765651 M * Bertl maybe you managed to set this to nothing? 1130765658 M * mnemoc where? 1130765676 M * Bertl sec (Flower Page) 1130765699 M * Bertl # shell 1130765699 M * Bertl Contains the pathname of the shell which will be used by the "vserver ... enter" command. 1130765717 M * Bertl directly inside the /etc/vservers/ 1130765751 M * mnemoc http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/412100 1130765753 M * mnemoc not there 1130765780 M * Bertl well, you have to upload the entire --debug trace then 1130765787 M * mnemoc :\ 1130765856 M * mnemoc + getFileValue ENTER_SHELL /etc/vservers/lotus/shell /etc/vservers/.defaults/shell 1130765862 M * mnemoc none exist 1130765894 M * mnemoc .oO 1130765921 M * mnemoc i got it 1130765940 M * mnemoc my root is mounted inside the namespace 1130765952 M * mnemoc so /bin/bash doesn't exist on that point 1130765972 M * mnemoc i'll set /etc/vservers/.defaults/shell 1130766004 M * mnemoc now 'enter' works 1130766009 M * Bertl excellent! 1130766021 M * mnemoc :) 1130766574 J * Ananizi_Sikim ~SevGiNet@81.213.235.171 1130766589 M * Bertl welcome Ananizi_Sikim! 1130766625 M * Ananizi_Sikim hi 1130766627 M * Ananizi_Sikim thanx 1130766876 Q * Ananizi_Sikim Quit: ( LanetLy ScripT ) - ( Adres ==> wWw.SevGiNet.Com <== ) 1130767545 J * popo ~popo@196.46.163.254 1130767853 M * NikDaPhreak ok, bed time... got to go to work in a couple of hours.. goot night Bertl & everyone :-) 1130767860 M * NikDaPhreak ooops 1130767867 M * NikDaPhreak good morinig 1130767876 M * mnemoc :) 1130767876 M * NikDaPhreak too sleepy yet... 1130767991 M * Bertl NikDaPhreak: good whatever! :) 1130768121 M * NikDaPhreak Bertl: too much sleep is no good you know... back from hybernate does not work so good in my brains frimware... ;-) 1130768147 M * popo whats to talk about? 1130768173 M * Bertl hey popo! you got force removed today? 1130768178 M * mnemoc Bertl: that's why i like 'moin' :D 1130768201 M * NikDaPhreak mnemoc: yeah.. me too :-) 1130768227 M * mnemoc :) 1130768277 M * popo yes dont know why 1130768309 M * Bertl message said 'abusive behaviour' ... 1130768330 M * Bertl anyway, welcome here ... 1130768474 M * popo thanks and i was only asking what tor was 1130768923 M * Bertl mcp: hey how is wolk? 1130769392 J * Doener doener@83.135.221.255 1130769413 M * Doener hi 1130769429 M * popo yo 1130769462 M * Bertl hey Doener! 1130769536 M * FaUl lol http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/connecticut.jpg 1130770644 M * Bertl ag-: updates in http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/NGNET/ 1130770672 M * Bertl off for now .. back later ... 1130770688 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1130771046 Q * popo Quit: used WLIrc 1130771063 J * popo ~popo@196.46.163.254 1130773155 J * [dt]-vreak sp@83.215.237.10 1130773213 M * Givur *hmms* 1130773245 M * Givur That reminds me... My loopback devices in the vservers are missing after a reboot of the hostserver... 1130773249 M * Givur What have I do wrong? 1130773312 N * nokoyaz nokoya 1130773398 Q * [dt]-vreak Quit: 1130773602 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving 1130773884 Q * shedi Quit: Leaving 1130774920 Q * popo Quit: used WLIrc 1130775349 Q * Guest89 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1130778323 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 ! 1130779625 Q * Doener Quit: Leaving 1130780100 Q * Givur Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130781943 Q * Zytox Quit: 1130782218 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu 1130783706 J * shedi ~siggi@inferno.lhi.is 1130787516 Q * iprone Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130787693 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1130787698 M * Bertl evening folks! 1130787759 J * sasser ~xl3@168.226.141.111 1130787847 M * Bertl welcome sasser! 1130787886 M * sasser Bertl hi 1130787889 J * gerrit ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1130787920 M * Bertl morning gerrit! 1130787932 M * gerrit g'mornin' bertl 1130788099 P * sasser 1130788099 M * ag- Bertl: i'll look at it as soon as i can :) 1130788220 M * Bertl one important question in the future is: should we 'drop' network contexts completely, or alternatively make the ngnet based on the network context instead of the task context, and if we do that, we might also consider adding a 'guest' concept, which basically consists of a task and network context ... 1130788336 M * Bertl gerrit: regarding linux-vserver and context testing on 'higher' end machines, do we have a chance here in the near future? 1130788418 M * gerrit we definitely do. I can't make it happen right away but within a few weeks I should be caught up enough that we can do a few interesting things. 1130788435 M * gerrit the key is having nice, automatable tests 1130788438 M * Bertl okay, sounds great! thanks in advance! 1130788445 M * gerrit if so, we can squeeze them into our harness. 1130788461 M * Bertl we have at least the testme and testfs scripts 1130788474 M * Bertl not very sophisticated yet, but a good start 1130788503 M * gerrit cool - I'll take a look at them when I get a chance. I'll have to see what sorts of things we can combine in the current testing to help as well. 1130788514 M * Bertl for performance and profiling, which I'd really would like to see (on N CPU machines), probably some benchmark is fine too 1130788544 M * Bertl running on unpatched kernel, patched kernel host and guest 1130788552 M * gerrit yeah - we have lots of benchmarks in there. ideally could compare things like xen, vserver, checkpoint/restart stuff, etc. 1130788585 M * Bertl yep, especially with profiling data, this would probably allow to fine tune performance a lot 1130788593 M * gerrit are you familiar with test.kernel.org? 1130788602 M * gerrit there are perf tests there on "unpatched" kernels 1130788607 M * gerrit makes for a nice baseline 1130788620 M * Bertl ah, good ... 1130788636 M * gerrit all of those are run with our automated harness 1130788654 M * gerrit I have to change networks - have to drop off for a bit - brb 1130788661 M * Bertl ok, thanks! 1130788916 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1130789136 Q * gerrit Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130790158 J * mrec_ ~revenger@p54B03F70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1130790576 Q * mrec Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130790700 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1130790751 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1130790963 M * mnemoc l 1130790967 M * mnemoc yuck 1130790979 M * mnemoc Bertl: how can i _kill_ a context? 1130791011 M * Bertl you can not kill a context, you can only kill processes inside a context 1130791034 M * mnemoc unionfs oopsed inside and IO doesn't work on that namespace :\ 1130791053 M * Bertl well, then you've already lost ... 1130791083 M * Bertl a task which did hit a kernel oops, is dead forever 1130791096 M * Bertl (although it will hang around forever too) 1130791140 M * mnemoc do you have deltas for COW i could port to 2.6.11.12? 1130791159 M * Bertl why not 2.6.8? LOL 1130791177 M * Bertl let me see ... 1130791217 M * mnemoc :) 1130791221 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-2.6.11.6-cow03.diff 1130791237 M * Bertl no idea what this patch actually does :) 1130791280 M * mnemoc uhm 1130791307 M * mnemoc what cow 'version' is last? 1130791309 M * mnemoc 03? 1130791318 P * Lunar^ 1130791345 M * mnemoc i have to get away from unionfs 1130791351 M * mnemoc damn junk 1130791376 Q * gerrit_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130791470 M * mnemoc i guess i'll also need delta-cow-fixup.diff 1130791531 M * mnemoc bbl 1130791540 M * Bertl mnemoc: if you really plan to integrate cow into 2.6.11.6, I'd suggest to do the following: 1130791548 M * Bertl *2.6.11.12 I mean 1130791571 A * mnemoc logs 1130791604 M * Bertl get the latest 2.1.0 patch for 2.6.14, check what stuff is cow related (look at the *cow* named patches in experimental) 1130791636 M * Bertl extract the required hunks (save them, I can use them for the breakdown later) 1130791654 M * Bertl apply and if necessary adapt them to 2.6.11.12 1130791674 M * Bertl the changes between 2.6.11.12 and 2.6.14 in this area should be neglectible 1130791703 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-221.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1130791711 M * Bertl morning Aiken! 1130791771 M * Aiken hi 1130791801 M * Aiken what is the difference between the 2.6.14 patch you pointed me to yesterday and the patch being mentioned on the mailing list? 1130791878 J * Givur ~mail@G9940.g.pppool.de 1130791879 M * Givur *waves* 1130791899 M * Bertl welcome Givur! 1130791907 M * Givur Heya Bertl :) 1130791911 M * Givur Just the right person :) 1130791917 M * Bertl Givur: did you 'find' your loopback devices yet? 1130791931 M * Givur *shakes his head* It's still tries to hide before me... 1130791953 M * Givur And sofar I believe it has exist before I have restart the guestserver... 1130791998 M * Bertl which is probably the misconception 1130792027 M * Bertl either you have hide_netif on (then all interfaces which do not carry ips assigned to your guest will be hidden) 1130792041 M * Bertl or you have not (in this case you'll see all interfaces) 1130792100 M * Givur *hmms* 1130792102 J * STaN ~root@LSt-Amand-152-31-36-227.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr 1130792110 M * Bertl welcome STaN! 1130792119 M * STaN hello Bertl 1130792136 M * Givur *waves* 1130792150 M * STaN i am succes to install a vserver on my debian sarge on a linux2.6.12 :) 1130792194 M * STaN sorry for my accent i am from france! 1130792196 M * Givur hide_netif in the kernel? 1130792243 M * STaN I have a question i would like a disk with mandrake distribution... is it possible? 1130792252 M * STaN mount a disk... 1130792356 M * daniel_hozac Givur: it's a flag. 1130792384 M * Givur daniel_hozac: I see it now... 1130792386 M * Givur *hmms* 1130792401 M * Givur I have grepped the vserver source and found it :) 1130792493 M * daniel_hozac Aiken: different authors ;) 1130792651 M * Givur Btw. currently I work with 2.0rc4, would there be much trouble when I update to the rc of 2.0? 1130792927 M * Aiken just about to start building the 2.6.14 from 13thfloor 1130793505 M * Bertl Givur: 2.0.1 :) 1130793508 Q * STaN Read error: Connection reset by peer 1130793509 J * STaN ~root@LSt-Amand-152-31-36-227.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr 1130793537 M * Bertl STaN: you mean you want to make a mandrake guest? 1130793688 P * yarihm Leaving 1130793728 M * STaN yes Bertl... with the data of the disk which contains all repertory used from an old installation! 1130793782 M * STaN i have mount it on a newvserver? how made that! 1130793805 M * Bertl it is an already installed version, yes? 1130793817 M * STaN yes 1130793830 M * Bertl okay, well, best way would be: 1130793854 M * Bertl - create an empty guest with the -m skeleton build method (alpha util-vserver page for details) 1130793859 M * STaN ok 1130793883 M * Bertl - replace the installed skeleton with your backup (make sure to take the /dev from the skeleton for security reasons) 1130793896 M * Bertl that's it 1130793898 M * jkl hey bertl 1130793909 M * Bertl hey jkl! 1130793928 M * STaN Bertl is a problem with rc files? 1130793930 M * jkl how's it going today? 1130793970 M * Bertl STaN: no, rc files should be fine, you might want to clean them up later (if they do hardware related stuff) 1130794005 M * STaN ok thanks a lot Bertl 1130794006 M * Bertl jkl: much better :) 1130794016 M * Bertl STaN: you're welcome! 1130794022 M * jkl good to hear 1130794042 M * jkl i am wondering if you have any experience running net-snmpd on a vserver 1130794171 M * jkl as per usual, i am having trouble getting it to bind to the correct address for the vserver 1130794204 M * Bertl hmm, no experience ... but what is the issue/error? 1130794219 M * jkl Error opening specified endpoint "127.0.0.1:161" 1130794232 M * jkl and i've tried using the vserver's ip as well 1130794237 M * Aiken Bertl http://pastebin.com/412604 1130794238 M * Bertl hmm, why specified 127.0.0.1 ? 1130794238 M * jkl Error opening specified endpoint "10.0.1.15:161" 1130794260 M * Bertl hmm, probably raw sockets or something like that 1130794261 M * jkl Bertl: i was trying the loopback as well to see if i got the same error 1130794272 M * jkl it is trying to open up udp 161 1130794292 M * Bertl plz try to strace -fF it and upload the output 1130794328 M * Bertl Aiken: could you double check with vanilla? I suspect a mainline issue 1130794338 M * Aiken ok 1130794339 M * jkl ok, i will have to merge strace. 1130794362 M * Aiken bugger, that was mainline 1130794370 M * Aiken I forgot to apply the vserver patch 1130794460 M * Aiken I wonder what they are doing with the kernel for alpha. r1 r2 r3 major crash, rc4 worked fine and the release version does not even compile 1130794467 M * Aiken all wit the same .config 1130794588 M * Bertl ah, excellent *G* :) 1130794593 M * Hollow heya 1130794594 J * iprone ~iprone@lawn-199-77-210-209.lawn.gatech.edu 1130794599 M * Bertl welcome iprone! 1130794608 M * Bertl hey Hollow! 1130794620 M * STaN bye Bertl see you soon to annonce the resultat :) 1130794621 M * Hollow hey Bertl, i tried to cleanup util-vserver a bit the last 2 days 1130794635 M * Bertl Hollow: does the vserver-new script do anything special except skeleton build + unpack? 1130794644 J * wolog ~wolog@lyon.guerrier.com 1130794658 M * Bertl STaN: okay, feel free to hang around though 1130794664 M * Bertl welcome wolog! 1130794670 M * Hollow depends on the target... stage3 does some gentoo specific stage3 building, clone does only skel + rsync, template does skel + unpack 1130794695 M * wolog hello *, thx Bertl 1130794711 M * Bertl was just asking, because I read the posting regarding the 'broken' vserver-new 1130794717 M * Hollow broken? 1130794719 M * Hollow uhm.. 1130794747 M * Hollow ah i see... will write it on the ml 1130794755 M * Bertl okay, tx 1130794771 P * STaN 1130794948 M * Hollow Bertl: http://home.xnull.de/misc/util-vserver-stripped.tar.bz2 it already feels somewhat usable again.. ;) 1130794972 M * Bertl Hollow: do you have a delta to 0.30.209? 1130794984 M * Hollow ehm.. 1130794990 M * Hollow sec 1130795072 M * Hollow Bertl: the patch is bigger than the new tar.. ;) 1130795097 M * Bertl hmm, not a good sign :) 1130795103 M * Hollow lol, yeah 1130795130 M * Hollow this util-vserver will for sure not work 1130795143 M * Hollow it does compile but the scripts are still borked 1130795187 M * Hollow files are completeley reorganized, syscall interface is new, legacy/compat was stripped, distribution specific scripts were dropped 1130795197 M * Hollow + new automake system 1130795203 M * Hollow (reorganized) 1130795215 M * Bertl you should feed that back to enrico 1130795222 M * Hollow yeah, i will 1130795251 M * Bertl although a patch set would probably be better ... it would allow to cherry pick stuff ... 1130795265 M * Hollow i have it in svn with 76 commits 1130795300 M * Bertl anyway, is this intended as a lib-vserver based replacement, or what's the general intention? 1130795330 M * Hollow well, one could port this stripped version to libvserver, but for now it's just a heavy heavy cleanup 1130795331 M * Bertl s/intention/direction/ 1130795352 M * Hollow it should still be api compatible (except for stripped legacy functions) 1130795372 M * Bertl okay, so the idea is to feed it back sooner or later .. right? 1130795378 M * Hollow right 1130795385 M * Bertl okay, great! 1130795437 M * Hollow just because new tools/daemon whatever will still take a long time, so i tried to get the old beast usable again 1130795439 M * Bertl we probably need a few 'test' tools for ngnet pretty soon, what is the usability state for lib-vserver and are you interested in writing those tools? 1130795481 M * Hollow sure 1130795503 M * Bertl I'm toying with the idea to make ngnet network context based, which would require to replace chbind by something smarter 1130795505 M * Hollow if we can call it via syscall matrix it won't be a problem at all 1130795533 M * Hollow the stripped version has no chbind, is it possible to reimplement it without legacy syscalls? 1130795575 M * Bertl well, the 'ngnet' chbind will not have anything in common with chbind 1130795600 M * Bertl it will be more something like chcontext ... maybe chnet or so? 1130795601 M * Hollow yeah, do you still want to support 'old' network contexts and ngnet? 1130795606 Q * iprone Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130795620 M * Hollow or does ngnet superseed it? 1130795630 M * Givur *hmms* The flag hide_netif is not set in the vserver, but after reading the linux-vserver sites I see that this is not recommcend to setup an loopback device in a vserver? 1130795642 M * Bertl Hollow: yes, 'legacy' networking with the 'new' network syscalls will be supported in ngnet 1130795656 M * Hollow ok 1130795666 M * Hollow so one can decide if he wants to virtualize net 1130795667 M * Bertl Hollow: but this doesn't use the legacy syscalls 1130795701 M * Hollow right, my question was a bit out of topic... is it generally possible atm to reimplement chbind with network context functions? 1130795715 M * Bertl hmm, I'd say yes 1130795720 M * Hollow ok 1130795742 M * Hollow i'll try, because iirc it is the only major blocker for the stripped version 1130795760 M * Bertl at least I tried to provide everything needed a few month (half a year?) ago 1130795776 M * Bertl if something doesn't work, it's considered a bug, so just let me know, and we'll fix it 1130795782 M * Hollow oki 1130795840 M * Bertl Givur: well, yes, you usually do not need/use that 1130795894 Q * stefani Remote host closed the connection 1130795907 M * Givur Bertl: *nods* I agree with it, but a user of a vserver needs it for something, so is there a easy way for me to give him the loopback? 1130795930 M * daniel_hozac Givur: for what, exactly? 1130795998 M * Givur No Idea for what he need it, and when it's to hard to add it he not get it, but when it's only few minutes of work for me he will get it 1130796005 M * Givur Happy Users = Less Stress for me 1130796065 M * Bertl it's simple, but insecure ... (to some extend) 1130796086 M * Bertl Givur: you 'just' have to add some ip on 'lo' to the guest 1130796097 M * Givur Oh... 1130796114 M * Givur *bangs his head on the table* Why I haven't get this idea alone... 1130796131 M * Givur And, this is running in a local network here 1130796152 M * Givur So, it can't happen much when it's going less secure 1130796437 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu 1130796446 M * Bertl wb stefani! 1130796475 M * Bertl Givur: it will allow guest root to sniff other guest talk and some host talk ... 1130796476 M * stefani i lost my controlling terminal. 1130796560 M * Givur I would not use it in our production system, but at the testsystem the user can get it. 1130796564 M * jkl Bertl: sorry took me awhile 1130796601 M * jkl Bertl: here is the output after trying to run net-snmpd on a vserver 1130796605 M * jkl http://pastebin.com/412654 1130796649 M * jkl (strace -fF snmpd 10.0.1.15:161) 1130796912 M * Bertl seems like the address is already bound? 1130796919 M * jkl really? 1130796920 M * jkl hmm 1130796922 M * Bertl maybe you started a similar service on the host? 1130796922 M * jkl hold a sec 1130796938 M * Bertl # 1130796939 M * Bertl bind(8, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(161), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.0.1.15")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) 1130796968 M * jkl ha, i tried it with udp 162 and it started fine 1130796985 M * jkl so this really conflicts with my general understanding of the vserver then 1130796993 M * jkl because i have snmpd running on the host, udp 161 1130797008 M * jkl can i not run snmp on a vserver using the same udp port? 1130797166 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1130797206 M * daniel_hozac you need to bind snmpd on the host to the host's IP address. 1130797209 M * Bertl jkl: if you limit the host's snmp to the host ips, then it can 1130797210 M * Hollow Bertl: could you make deltas for rc4->5 pre2->3 or just tell me the changes? 1130797227 M * jkl aah 1130797235 M * jkl because it is binding to the loopback 1130797236 M * Bertl Hollow: no direct changes, only adaptations to 2.6.14 1130797244 M * Hollow ah ok 1130797258 M * Bertl jkl: because it is binding to 0.0.0.0 (I assume) 1130797265 M * Hollow going to bed now, will test 2.6.14 tomorrow 1130797274 M * Bertl k, good night! 1130797683 M * jkl berl, you are a genius 1130797686 M * jkl bertl even 1130797693 M * jkl hehe, thanks for helping :) 1130797709 M * Bertl you're welcome! 1130797730 M * Bertl but kudos go to daniel_hozac, he was faster :) 1130797862 M * jkl true 1130797870 M * jkl hollow are you still around? 1130798261 Q * gerrit_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1130798984 J * gerrit_ ~gerrit@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com 1130798985 M * Bertl mnemoc: and, how is it going? 1130800381 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water) 1130800630 M * Aiken Bertl finally got the std kernel to compile, added #include to the aprop file 1130800657 M * Aiken not the first time I have had trouble compiling a release kernel because a needed reference to compile.h was missing 1130800692 M * Bertl hmm, yeah, I remember ... did you care to submit a patch? 1130800778 M * Aiken I think last time I said rude words and did something else instead 1130800794 M * Aiken I'll have a bit more of a play then submit another bug report 1130800966 M * Aiken asm-i386/atomic.h includes linux/compiler.h where in asm-alpha/atomic.h I included asm/compiler.h which includes linux/compiler.h anyway and makes an alpha specific change 1130801208 M * Aiken subtle comment in asm-alpha/compiler.h http://pastebin.com/412751 1130801283 M * Bertl lol 1130801287 M * mnemoc Bertl: i just arrived home, now i'll play with your cow ;) 1130801316 M * Bertl be nice to her, and btw, it is probably jצrns' cow :) 1130801323 J * hwarrier ~harikb@64.161.133.227 1130801329 M * Bertl welcome hwarrier! 1130801745 M * mnemoc Bertl: :) 1130801841 M * Givur So, nighy night all 1130801844 M * Givur Thanks for helping :) 1130801845 M * Givur Cya later 1130801862 Q * Givur Quit: 1130802118 M * Bertl okay, off for now ... back later ... 1130802128 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1130802128 M * mnemoc cu Bertl