1129508856 J * gndmstr ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net
1129509033 M * gndmstr evening... need a gentoo expert.. i have a particular guest i created initially using the vserver build -m skeleton command.. then i took a normal standalone server tarred it up and untarred it into the guest name leaving out /proc and /dev... then i unmerged baselayhout and emerged baselayout-veserver.. the guest starts and stops and i can ping the internet from it however, when i ssh into it from another terminal window, i can log in but i ge
1129509033 M * gndmstr all the host information.. i can log out and it thinks i am doing so.. vserver enter works ok.. any clues what i missed?
1129509134 M * gndmstr i really want to avoid the tradional guest creation method since i have then literally a week of compiles and configurations to do
1129509384 M * jayeola leave gentoo?
1129509884 M * gndmstr LOL
1129509886 M * gndmstr nheve
1129509888 M * gndmstr never
1129509914 M * gndmstr ive never tried taking an entire running machine that is standalone and convert it into a guest before
1129509923 M * gndmstr building it as a guest is fine
1129509951 J * serving serving@194.165.157.200
1129509992 M * jayeola do your boxes have fixed ips?
1129510002 M * gndmstr yes
1129510006 M * gndmstr and they show properly
1129510022 M * gndmstr and sshd is bound to the guest ip
1129510043 M * jayeola i'm building a boxen right now... know nothing of networking so i'm making up as i go along
1129510066 M * gndmstr ahh its fun
1129510074 M * jayeola http://www.jayeola.org/bin/vs_prep.sh
1129510084 M * gndmstr especially when you have to use iproute2 getting into multiple nics
1129510108 M * jayeola
1129510112 M * jayeola :p
1129510144 M * jayeola anyway have a look at that script if you can and gimme some feedback/comments/buscuits
1129510173 M * gndmstr ok... im not too good at scripting but im looking now
1129510226 M * jayeola please reload, just change it
1129510259 M * jayeola i'm rather noobish at this whole thing.... that's why i got a -basic- script to get me started
1129510338 M * gndmstr ahh.. i thought debian was well supported? i would think there would already be build scripts
1129510390 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129510396 M * jayeola um, dunno. i'll learn more if i do my own thing
1129510426 M * jayeola there probably are but that takes the whole fun out of it, eh?
1129510457 M * jayeola anyway - there must be some serious howlers in that script somewhere
1129510474 M * gndmstr hehe im just the opposite. i use every tool available to keep from having to build my own.. basically because im doing this for several production machines
1129510510 M * gndmstr see my problem is i dont know shell languages that much but one thing that caught my eye which may be very correct is the use of :- instead of :=
1129510573 M * jayeola ?
1129510586 M * jayeola oh you mean in the fake "menu"?
1129510592 M * gndmstr maybe its my font.. im using a very fine resolution at the moment
1129510599 M * gndmstr read -p "choice :- " jxchoice
1129510607 M * jayeola yah it's a :- alright
1129510610 M * gndmstr ok
1129510623 M * gndmstr see thats how much i dont know :)
1129510633 M * jayeola := doesn't actually mean anything gramatically
1129510648 M * jayeola half a smiley ?
1129510653 M * jayeola :=)
1129510714 M * jayeola there are tools to build vservers around, but if i do use them i'll have no blody idea of what to do when thinggs go wrong. they always do :/
1129510714 M * gndmstr hehe never even got into all the different smiley things either... im just a person who uses things and expects them to work :) i have a technical background but prefer not to use it unless i must
1129510742 M * jayeola hrm.... i'm an engineer. i gotta know how things work
1129510757 M * jayeola well the basics at least
1129510765 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129510766 M * gndmstr although in the next few months i have to polish up my c and convert to how to write under linux.. all my c prof prog experience is in dos from the 1980s
1129510810 M * jayeola c?
1129510832 M * gndmstr in programming languages thats my first love
1129510841 M * jayeola you builing these boxes professionally?
1129510845 M * gndmstr know enough 1980s asm to bge dangerous
1129510866 M * jayeola why asm? is there an actuall need for that now adays?
1129510884 M * gndmstr i manage a bunch of servers and we are converting what we can to guests to cut rack space and hopefully increase management efficiency
1129510927 M * gndmstr we estimate at the end of the updates we should be able to empty 10 racks
1129510979 J * mrec ~revenger@p54B03D38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1129511000 M * gndmstr after studying a bunch of methods i picked verservers over all the other methods and now we are flying with it... did my first 2 production boxes 2 weeks ago
1129511034 M * gndmstr but those were simple ones.. i could recreate the servers from scratch and just copy the application configs over..
1129511084 M * gndmstr in this one case its so involved since kde has to be compiled and the system configured for 3 admins to use etc, its a royal pain.. so im trying to do it 'backward' by converting an already running and configured machine into a guest
1129511156 M * jayeola what do ppl actually mean by a rack? is it one of these.... http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/wp-content/ahimsa-200507/ahimsa-200507.jpg
1129511209 M * gndmstr kyes
1129511213 M * gndmstr yes
1129511221 M * gndmstr cant type either
1129511258 M * gndmstr only a typical service provider rack is stuffed with 1u and 2u machines all the way to the top.. that is what we want to get away from
1129511292 M * jayeola oh - like so that you can have servers "squatting" in a single box?
1129511325 M * gndmstr right one 4u box might contain 20 or 30 or more servers that used to take 20 or 30 rack slots
1129511336 M * jayeola -nodding-
1129511370 M * jayeola but i thought that one cant run X for guests. uo mentioned kde....
1129511379 M * gndmstr there are still some things that just cannot be used as guests at the moment.. those will stay independent servers
1129511380 M * jayeola s,uo,you
1129511386 M * gndmstr dont know
1129511388 M * gndmstr im trying
1129511398 Q * mrec_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129511416 M * gndmstr i can free up one whole machine whose sole purpose is to provide remote desktops to 3 people and it gets used maybe 3 or 4 hours a month
1129511427 M * jayeola mind if i ask why vservers? there are a few options around...
1129511442 M * gndmstr the vserver looked to be the most efficient method
1129511451 M * jayeola fair enough
1129511458 M * gndmstr esxserver has lots of overhead and is priced out in space somewhere
1129511463 M * gndmstr blades are expensive
1129511489 M * jayeola forgive my intrusiveness- a noob that's inquisitive and curious
1129511498 M * gndmstr the only other option which would have been considered is a large ibm or hp mini partitioned but thats costly
1129511500 M * gndmstr no prob
1129511577 M * gndmstr as long as we keep the guest resource usages in mind and split the high usage ones among different hosts, we should get good efficiency out of the entire system
1129511644 M * gndmstr a single good rack of hosts should be able to replace about 300 servers and have extras to use as needed
1129511788 M * jayeola i guess the rack ppl wont be happy seing all of your efficiency
1129511795 M * gndmstr in my first production test i put 4 servers on an 800mhz 1gb ram host and they are running full bore and the host is loafing.. based on that first experiment i can put another 4 on it easily
1129511809 M * gndmstr it just leaves room for expansion
1129511838 M * gndmstr if you already own several racks and clear them out, then there is that much more room to sell customer owned machine colo space etc
1129511872 M * gndmstr or sell vserver space and put about 300 or more vservers in each rack
1129511902 M * gndmstr suddenly rack space becomes profitable instead of a liablility
1129511916 M * gndmstr liability
1129511920 M * gndmstr cant spell either
1129511921 M * gndmstr :)
1129511926 M * jayeola a bit. got some of that
1129511943 M * gndmstr right now we are fitting maybe an average of 10 machines in a rack
1129511956 M * gndmstr so we sell colo space for 10 machines per rack
1129511970 M * jayeola man i'd love to be a tech. had a look at my script? seems to work. builing a kernel right now
1129511979 M * jayeola "colo space"??
1129511983 M * gndmstr if we could sell 300 machines per rack our profit margin/rack space cost skyrockets
1129512013 M * gndmstr colocation space.. if you have a server you need internet access for and you want to place it in an isp ops center, it is called colocation
1129512024 M * jayeola aha
1129512025 M * gndmstr we rent you rack space and bandwidth for your machine
1129512033 M * jayeola riiiight
1129512038 M * gndmstr or we lease you a vserver
1129512040 M * gndmstr :)
1129512065 M * jayeola some buddies and i have a "slot on a rack". we use it for p2p and games
1129512081 M * jayeola now we've put some v* on it
1129512093 M * gndmstr but there are some machines that cant be used as vservers.. i may fail at this X trial, and several email servers have too many ip addys to put them in there.
1129512096 M * gndmstr there ya go
1129512108 M * jayeola can't belive that we all have a v* can space, and then some
1129512108 M * gndmstr then you have just upped your efficiency per $ spent
1129512136 M * gndmstr instead of one machine you could stick 4 or 6 in that same computer
1129512147 M * gndmstr the logic looks like its ok from what i can see in that script
1129512157 M * gndmstr didnt find anything that shouted at me
1129512179 M * jayeola yah - i have two laptops and about five boxen at home. project is to have some guests on one of the laptops
1129512191 M * gndmstr good idea
1129512194 M * jayeola then the boxen. then a cluster
1129512200 M * gndmstr yep
1129512219 M * gndmstr we were talking about a web cluster for some of our stuff.. will be interesting to see how it works out using vservers
1129512225 M * gndmstr thats our second project
1129512233 M * jayeola but i know nothing about n/works. i'm just a good reader.
1129512253 M * gndmstr if you are a good reader then you are a good learner
1129512258 M * gndmstr cant have one without the other
1129512289 M * jayeola so the question is, in my script i have inserted the output if /sbin/ifconfig into /etc/ssh/sshd_config
1129512314 M * jayeola but my ip is dynamic, don't know how often it changes....
1129512345 M * jayeola it's for the laptop, mainly used at home, office, or buddy's house..
1129512350 M * gndmstr hmm you could use that subroutine in a cron job to periodically check the ip and if it has changed, update sshd and restart it
1129512376 M * daniel_hozac or put it in your PPP/DHCP client configuration ;)
1129512385 M * gndmstr there ya go
1129512388 M * gndmstr words of wisdom
1129512388 M * jayeola yah - know if i did restart ssh, would i lose connection with my guest V* ?
1129512389 M * gndmstr :)
1129512399 M * jayeola ty!!
1129512405 M * gndmstr changing ip addys yeah i would think so
1129512437 M * gndmstr thing is tho if your ip changed dynamically during a session you would lose your connection anyway i would think
1129512446 M * daniel_hozac restarting SSH does not kill your shells.
1129512450 M * jayeola so i'd have to restart the V* guest everytime my ip changed
1129512461 M * jayeola not sure about that one
1129512489 M * daniel_hozac if your vserver is bound to the dynamic IP address, yes.
1129512497 M * gndmstr dont know. there was talk about putting some net code into the guests but i think that is a topic for when ngnet gets going
1129512533 M * gndmstr once that happens just restart the net code i would think
1129512571 M * gndmstr but for now, i dont know any other way of changing a guest ip without restarting it
1129513017 M * jayeola ok - ty
1129513191 M * jayeola so you are saying that it's better to have a cron job to change to ip, or have a script fiddle with my ppp config?
1129513318 M * gndmstr im not sure on that one.. i had thought of cron but with the dhcp config it may just be able to do that too.. not sure since i have very slight experience with dhcp.
1129513378 M * jayeola k
1129513412 M * jayeola i'll consider both options. i'll probably let you know when/if it all works out
1129513433 M * gndmstr ok wil be interesting to find out
1129513661 M * jayeola yah - like i said earlier, some buddies and i already share a V* on a rugged box. wanna have my own and i thought that i'd try to build a few hosts on a laptop
1129513823 M * gndmstr good... someone here said somewhere they had 30 or so on their laptop
1129513839 M * gndmstr it was writen down in one of the texts
1129513979 M * jayeola sheesh.
1129514010 M * jayeola oh yeah, as far as i know, it's not recommended to run X for guests, that correct?
1129514065 M * gndmstr dont know. im pretending i dont hear those things so i stand a slight chance of doing the impossible.. actually though im not running X.. im only running Xvnc.. i dont need/want a console display at all
1129514090 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax8-208.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1129514099 M * jayeola k
1129514121 M * jayeola "chance of doing the impossible" - comment of the day!!
1129514211 M * gndmstr :D
1129514382 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129514385 M * jayeola next issue - (hope you ain't fed up) is file system.
1129514414 M * gndmstr hehe im not fed up. im not any kind of leading expert ini vservers but i have a basic working knowlege of them now
1129514438 M * jayeola the test box (laptop) has a single / partiton, 1gb swap and 100mb /boot
1129514474 M * jayeola that's ok for me considering what i do. boot and / are ext3, would you recommend lvm?
1129514528 M * jayeola don't know how to manage/maintain lvm, it bit my ass once and i didn;t have any lvm tools. had to use knoppix and pray
1129514545 M * gndmstr if you are reinstalling the main system, i would partition off a section for the vservers and lvm certainly cannot hurt.. i jus thad my first experience with it last week and i found a new best friend... dont know how i ever lived without it.
1129514562 M * gndmstr ahh there is a very simple lvm how-to
1129514574 M * gndmstr finding itg
1129514576 M * gndmstr it
1129514576 M * jayeola what would be the advantage for a laptop?
1129514596 M * jayeola yah i've read the lvm how to from http://tldp.org
1129514609 M * gndmstr not much except if you add an extra drive via usb or some such
1129514629 M * gndmstr also by partitioning a space for the /vservers to live, yhou can give each one its own partition
1129514649 M * gndmstr it is not gentoo specific. very well done without all the base theory
1129514652 M * gndmstr http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml
1129514658 M * jayeola ty
1129514686 M * jayeola so if i add an external usb hard disk, my system becomes one disk?
1129514702 M * gndmstr it can be
1129514711 M * gndmstr you can extend the volume across several drives
1129514723 M * gndmstr problem is with removables hnow to handle it when the drive is disconnected
1129514725 M * jayeola hrm, i'll leave that for now....
1129517167 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1129518602 M * gndmstr for any /dev gurus... is there a way to fake a console? i get this msg in a guest: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console when quitting.
1129518617 J * andrew_ ~andrew@tnlug.linux.org.tw
1129518683 M * traffic what do you guys recommend for traffic accounting and graphing?
1129518713 M * jayeola tcpdump, nmap, ethertools, *ethereal*
1129518743 M * gndmstr either percival or mrtg
1129518749 M * gndmstr by the machine
1129518756 M * gndmstr by the user or site is another story
1129518807 M * traffic i'm looking to monitor each guest server from the host
1129518820 M * traffic i just need a decent way of gathering data
1129518822 M * gndmstr mrtg or percival
1129518836 M * gndmstr that gives you graphical by the hour, week and month
1129518861 M * gndmstr percival is more detailed but its MUCH harder to set up
1129518862 M * traffic mrtg graphs are nice, but they are just estimations. i need to keep concrete numbers
1129518889 M * gndmstr hmm...
1129518905 M * gndmstr have to ask laura what she uses for that
1129518925 M * gndmstr wont be able to till tomorrow. she is our router tech, lives in finland so she is asleep now
1129518951 M * traffic i was just curious. you mentioned above you are running 4 guests on an 800mhz machine. what kinds of things are the guest doing?
1129518959 M * gndmstr she takes care of all the accounting and traffic data needed
1129519013 M * gndmstr not much reallyh, running 2 name servers, the host runs ntpd and jabber, and nagios system monitoring and percival system analysis software
1129519041 M * gndmstr the 2 name servers are our primary and secondary.. they get hit pretty hard but dont use lots of resources
1129519064 M * gndmstr nagios and percival are guests
1129519064 M * traffic yeah that isnt too taxing
1129519069 M * gndmstr my sentence didnt make sense
1129519094 M * gndmstr didnt wanna put anything taxing on that machine till i saw how it handled 4 guests that had light loads
1129519116 M * gndmstr right now im prepping a 4 processor machine to handle the heavier stuff
1129519125 M * traffic memory usage is okay? i'm going to be more worried about memory on mine
1129519160 M * daniel_hozac traffic: use unification to cut down on memory usage. ;)
1129519177 M * traffic okay, i havent ventured into that part yet
1129519180 M * gndmstr total used free shared buffers cached
1129519180 M * gndmstr Mem: 1035124 1010368 24756 0 251324 328280
1129519180 M * gndmstr -/+ buffers/cache: 430764 604360
1129519185 M * gndmstr not mjuch really
1129519191 M * gndmstr percival uses most of the memory
1129519221 M * gndmstr been running 26 days
1129519283 M * traffic daniel, whats all involved in unification?
1129519338 M * daniel_hozac traffic: set up an exclude list, run vserver name hashify for your vservers.
1129519649 M * traffic forgive my ignorance, but could you elaborate on both the exclude list and the actual process
1129519694 M * daniel_hozac traffic: put the directories you don't want unified into /etc/vservers//apps/vunify/exclude, like /var, /srv, /tmp, /home, /etc, etc.
1129519727 M * daniel_hozac once you have the exclude list, just run vserver hashify for all vservers that you want unified.
1129519751 M * traffic thanks.
1129520223 Q * traffic Quit:
1129521225 Q * jayeola Quit: Lost terminal
1129522587 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
1129529511 Q * gndmstr Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12
1129532351 Q * DaCa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129534600 Q * litage Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129534854 J * cryo ~say@gw.psoft.od.ua
1129538957 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1129538962 M * Bertl morning folks!
1129539319 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
1129539405 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77
1129539567 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org
1129540709 J * anonymousc ~anonymous@shaggy.internode.com.au
1129540957 P * erwan_taf Leaving
1129542255 Q * ag-2 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129542665 J * ag-2 ag@muaddib.roxor.cx
1129542834 M * Bertl okay, off for now .. back later ...
1129542840 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1129543962 Q * anonymousc Quit: adios
1129544757 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
1129546141 J * serving- serving@213.186.181.210
1129546202 Q * serving Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129546516 M * mnemoc moin
1129546541 M * mnemoc have anyone used lighttpd on a vserver? i get a weird socket error
1129546790 M * daniel_hozac i remember reading about someone using lighttpd in a vserver not too long ago.
1129546797 M * daniel_hozac what's the error?
1129547345 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17_11:08:37.44044 setsockopt(4, SOL_TCP, TCP_CORK, [0], 4) = 0
1129547345 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17_11:08:37.44057 stat64("/etc/localtime", {st_dev=makedev(0, 52), st_ino=34539845, st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_nlink=2, st_uid=0, st_gid=0, st_blksize=131072, st_blocks=8, st_size=890, st_atime=2005/10/05-12:35:13, st_mtime=2005/10/05-12:35:13, st_ctime=2005/10/14-17:46:42})
1129547350 M * mnemoc = 0
1129547353 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17_11:08:37.44083 read(4, 0x8097f20, 4159) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
1129547392 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (network_linux_sendfile.c.169) sendfile failed: Invalid argument 4
1129547395 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17 08:10:02: (connections.c.498) connection closed: write failed on fd 4
1129547406 M * mnemoc ^--- strace, and simple stderr
1129548655 M * daniel_hozac the errors and strace seems unrelated.
1129548721 Q * mountie Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129548825 M * mnemoc yep :p
1129548841 M * mnemoc 2005-10-17_11:08:37.13656 sendfile64(4, 5, [0], 1045) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
1129548848 M * mnemoc this is the right one, i guess
1129548856 M * mnemoc but i have to leave :(
1129548909 M * daniel_hozac is the whole strace available somewhere?
1129548922 M * mnemoc minute
1129549031 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
1129549139 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/lighttpd-error.strace.txt
1129549305 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129550289 J * sebi ~sebi@Fd5bd.f.strato-dslnet.de
1129550395 Q * sebi_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129551755 Q * lilo Quit: brb
1129553093 J * lilo tor@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129554481 J * tc ~sr@213.146.121.144
1129554506 M * tc hi. I have a little problem and I'm wondering if there may be a simple way to solve it (before I brute force the issue)
1129554527 M * tc my harddisk containing my vservers died. I have backups of the vservers themselves, but the configurations are gone
1129554547 M * tc is there an easy way to rebuild the config trees with generic configurations for all existing vservers?
1129554654 M * daniel_hozac might want to look at using vserver build -m skeleton ...
1129554691 M * tc sounds great, thanks
1129554733 M * daniel_hozac it will want to mess with your vservers' directories though, so you'll probably want to ln -sf /tmp /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase temporarily.
1129554751 M * tc ok
1129555439 J * spd1snd ~psingh@68-232-133-13.chvlva.adelphia.net
1129555737 Q * FireEgl jupiter.oftc.net venus.oftc.net
1129555950 J * FireEgl Atlantica@2001:5c0:84dc::
1129556875 J * vip-vs ~vince@wc-178.r-195-85-188.essentkabel.com
1129557395 M * vip-vs hi folks
1129557406 M * vip-vs is it possible to use the /dev/random in a vserver?
1129557418 M * vip-vs I need it for gpg
1129558447 M * mrec vip-vs: I'm able to use it
1129558578 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1129558581 M * Bertl evening folks!
1129558587 M * mrec hi!
1129558636 M * matti Mr. B. :)
1129558637 M * matti :)
1129558669 M * Bertl vip-vs: yes, /dev/random is fine ... but it might easily happen, if you use it in many guests, that the entropy pool gets depleted (unless you have good entropy sources)
1129558713 M * Bertl matti: :]
1129558716 M * matti :>
1129558720 M * Bertl hey mrec!
1129559002 M * vip-vs hi Bertl, currently only one guest is up and running ..
1129559119 M * vip-vs but gpg --gen-key is waiting voor random bytes or something: Not enough random bytes available. ... so I guess this doesn't work remote or in a vserver?
1129559129 M * Bertl vip-vs: it's not different from the situation on an unpatched linux-system
1129559144 M * Bertl if your entropy pool is empty, you have to wait ...
1129559178 M * vip-vs ok .. never generated such a key ... so ... guess it doesn't work form remote..
1129559312 M * Bertl I'd say, it works quite fine, but with every 'try' you take entropy from the pool
1129559333 M * Bertl and usually the pool is refilled from entropy gathered from key presses and mouse movement and such things
1129559349 M * Bertl (a server naturally does not have too many of those)
1129559402 M * Bertl try to run a few find processes on the machine, this might add enough entropy ...
1129559451 M * Bertl ah, and make sure that you actually have a /dev/random (not just a file there :)
1129559574 M * vip-vs think I got it working from the console (not remote via SSH)
1129559601 M * vip-vs while running updatedb and ping
1129560179 Q * yungyuc Remote host closed the connection
1129561618 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1129562137 M * spd1snd im running a gentoo based vserver host system with a few gentoo vservers running... can i also run a FC2 vserver at the same time on the same host?
1129562154 M * Bertl sure
1129562176 M * Bertl you can run almost any linux distro, completely independant from the others ...
1129562190 M * misko ehlo
1129562195 M * spd1snd this is probably a dumb question, but how would i create the FC2 base template? im not that familiar with fedora but do they have net isntalls like gentoo?
1129562198 M * Bertl hey misko!
1129562238 M * Bertl spd1snd: yes, your best chances are probably via apt-rpm and yum (or if that fails via rpm)
1129562240 M * misko hello
1129562245 M * misko how was your journey
1129562268 M * Bertl spd1snd: you can also install it somewhere else, and copy the installation over to your guest (i.e. make a template)
1129562283 M * Bertl misko: fine, and interesting ...
1129562295 M * spd1snd Bertl: alright, let me give that a shot... thank you
1129562345 M * Bertl spd1snd: you're welcome!
1129562665 Q * vip-vs Remote host closed the connection
1129563137 J * liquid3649 ~liquid@p5497451A.dip.t-dialin.net
1129563149 M * Bertl welcome liquid3649!
1129563156 M * liquid3649 hi
1129563167 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1129563256 M * liquid3649 just a smal question, there is a problem with pam in vservers, is there a problem with saslauth as well?
1129563303 M * Bertl no, there actually is no problem with pam, there is a problem with pam trying to set kernel parameters (uuid)
1129563316 M * liquid3649 a ok
1129563331 M * liquid3649 than is is a layer 8 problem ;-)
1129563340 M * liquid3649 it
1129563350 M * Bertl most often, what issues do you encounter ...
1129563363 M * liquid3649 i cant logon to cyradm
1129563367 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129563375 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129563392 M * Bertl liquid3649: cyrus imap is a bitch ...
1129563436 M * liquid3649 i'll test dovecot this evening
1129563443 M * Bertl liquid3649: I have one running on a friends machine, and every year he asks me to add a new user .. and every year I fear that day ...
1129563452 M * Bertl (cyrus imap that is)
1129563565 M * liquid3649 well cyrus worked on a "real" server quit well
1129563598 M * Bertl it works in a virtual too (because that is where mine runs :)
1129563631 M * Bertl but you might look at the logs (if you know how to enable them)
1129563643 M * Bertl they should provide the necessary clues
1129563694 M * liquid3649 looks like the cyrus-sasl plug-in, will have a look on in later
1129563908 M * stefani Bertl: pam tries to set kernel parameters ? !!
1129563908 Q * spd1snd Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129563957 M * Bertl stefani: yes, that was a great idea .. still don't know who had that :)
1129564096 M * Bertl stefani: the pam_loginuid module is supposed to help the audit framework ... see http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/pam_loginuid.8.html
1129564139 M * Bertl (we will virtualize this pretty soon :)
1129564266 N * liquid3649 liquid|capoeira
1129565069 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129565564 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1129566305 M * Bertl okay, off for now ...
1129566305 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129566311 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1129567536 J * spd1snd ~psingh@68-232-133-13.chvlva.adelphia.net
1129567688 J * bragon ~bragon@god.geeknode.org
1129567693 M * bragon hello
1129567992 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1129569057 N * liquid|capoeira Liquid3649
1129569086 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129569094 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129569171 M * spd1snd can someone give me the proper syntax to make a fc* guest template on a gentoo based vserver host? i seem to be having some problems creating it.
1129570366 M * spd1snd i'm trying to build a fedora based template and i get this: "cp: cannot stat `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/FC4Template/yum/etc/yum.conf': No such file or directory"
1129570370 M * spd1snd anyone have any ideas?
1129571465 M * bragon I: Extracting whiptail...
1129571465 M * bragon W: Failure trying to run: chroot /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri mount -t proc proc /proc
1129571474 M * bragon 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-10-15 17:48 vdirbase -> /home/vserver
1129571493 M * bragon anyone have any ideas ?
1129571570 M * Liquid3649 @spd1snd what is in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4/yum/
1129571591 M * spd1snd there is nothing in there
1129571618 M * Liquid3649 try to create yum.conf
1129571624 M * Liquid3649 [main]
1129571624 M * Liquid3649 cachedir=@YUMCACHEDIR@
1129571624 M * Liquid3649 reposdir=@YUMETCDIR@/yum.repos.d
1129571624 M * Liquid3649 debuglevel=1
1129571624 M * Liquid3649 logfile=@YUMLOGDIR@/log
1129571625 M * Liquid3649 lockfile=@YUMLOCKDIR@/yum.pid
1129571626 M * Liquid3649 pkgpolicy=newest
1129571630 M * Liquid3649 distroverpkg=fedora-release
1129571645 M * spd1snd create yum.conf within that dir?
1129571649 M * Liquid3649 yes
1129571708 M * Liquid3649 and put some fedora.repo in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4/yum.repos.d
1129571762 M * spd1snd ok, ive created the yum.conf in there... got a sample of the yum.repos.d?
1129571799 M * Liquid3649 http://pastebin.com/396579
1129571862 M * Liquid3649 one for fedora.repo fedora-updates.repo an so on
1129571939 M * spd1snd ok, creating now...
1129571998 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129572051 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129572142 M * spd1snd ok, ive created those files
1129572162 M * Liquid3649 that try a build again
1129572169 M * spd1snd same problem
1129572176 M * spd1snd cp: cannot stat `/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/.pkg/FC4Template/yum/etc/yum.conf': No such file or directory
1129572312 M * Liquid3649 ok sorry
1129572381 M * Liquid3649 whats in /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions/fc4
1129572453 M * spd1snd the yum.conf i created and the yum.repos.d directory with the other files i created
1129572469 M * spd1snd also: initpost -> ../redhat/initpost and initpre -> ../redhat/initpre
1129572533 M * Liquid3649 http://pastebin.com/396594 my one is looking like that
1129572641 M * spd1snd hmm, i defintely dont have all that
1129572649 M * spd1snd what util-vservers package do you have isntalled?
1129572687 M * Liquid3649 util-vserver-0.30.208-5.fc4
1129572725 M * spd1snd what is your base system? FC4 as well?
1129572757 M * Liquid3649 yes FC4
1129572827 M * spd1snd ah ok, im running a gentoo machine as the base system and ill just assume the portage tree isnt up to date... no worries though, ill setup a FC4 host machine and try that out
1129572834 M * spd1snd thanks for your effort though :)
1129572856 M * Liquid3649 np
1129572894 M * bragon Liquid3649: and have you an idea for me please ?
1129572935 M * Liquid3649 i am sorry, but im trying around with vservers just for a few weeks
1129573001 M * Liquid3649 but maybe vprocunhide?
1129573843 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129573851 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129574467 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129574474 Q * spd1snd Quit: spd1snd
1129574556 Q * lilo Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129575034 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129575302 M * bragon http://list.linux-vserver.org/archive/vserver/msg09415.html
1129575309 M * bragon yes j'ai un kernel 64 bitsd
1129575320 M * bragon i have a 64 bits kernel
1129575464 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1129575785 M * bragon Liquid3649: thx for vprocunhide
1129575833 M * Liquid3649 that worked?
1129576098 M * bragon no
1129576101 M * bragon same problem
1129576113 M * bragon i'm under ia64
1129576494 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
1129576671 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129576967 M * daniel_hozac ia64? itanium?
1129577155 J * comfrey ~comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net
1129577182 M * comfrey hey all... i am wondering ... is there a way to run screen in vservers?
1129577208 M * daniel_hozac just running it should do it.
1129577218 M * daniel_hozac as long as you don't use vserver enter to enter the vserver.
1129577238 M * comfrey ah... ok
1129577262 M * comfrey i will give that a shot... i thought there was some issue with access to the pty...
1129577356 M * comfrey grooovy, works fine
1129577683 M * bragon daniel_hozac: amd 64
1129577736 M * bragon daniel_hozac: i don't manage to create a vserver ! because of the mount error
1129577747 M * bragon W: Failure trying to run: chroot /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri mount -t proc proc /proc
1129577763 M * bragon i don't understand why
1129577891 M * daniel_hozac bragon: that'd be x86_64 ;)
1129577900 M * daniel_hozac bragon: strace would probably be helpful in this instance.
1129577997 M * bragon ok i try with
1129578026 M * daniel_hozac (with -fF)
1129578131 M * bragon k
1129578209 M * bragon many informations ...
1129578269 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1129578322 M * bragon i wait the segfault
1129578402 M * daniel_hozac the error causes a segfault?
1129578426 M * bragon no but i don't find the english word to say this thing
1129578431 M * bragon it's a warning but
1129578448 M * bragon with this warning i don't have a fully operationnal vserver
1129578641 M * bragon daniel_hozac: can i paste 5 line here ?
1129578657 M * daniel_hozac i suppose.
1129578680 M * bragon [pid 15339] stat("/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev", 0x7ffffff490d0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
1129578683 M * bragon [pid 15339] lstat("/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev.X", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|S_ISGID|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
1129578687 M * bragon [pid 15339] lstat("/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev", 0x7ffffff48f20) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
1129578690 M * bragon [pid 15339] rename("/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev.X", "/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev") = 0
1129578694 M * bragon [pid 15339] exit_group(0, 0x3c, 0, 0, 0xe7Process 12267 resumed
1129578696 M * bragon Process 15339 detached
1129578699 M * bragon
1129578721 M * bragon sd1225:/etc/vservers/.defaults# vserver riri start
1129578721 M * bragon vcontext: execvp("/etc/init.d/rc"): Bad address
1129578723 M * bragon :x
1129578801 M * bragon sd1225:/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/riri/dev# ls
1129578801 M * bragon full null ptmx pts random tty urandom zero
1129578804 M * bragon oO
1129580057 J * mrec_ ~revenger@p54B01753.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1129580073 M * bragon hum it's run on my station x86 and on my x86_64 it's impossible ...
1129580365 Q * mrec Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129580630 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129581251 Q * Liquid3649 Quit: Verlassend
1129582820 J * mef ~mef@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU
1129582864 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129583725 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-084.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1129584641 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.9
1129584666 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129584747 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129584747 N * menomc mnemoc
1129584766 Q * lilo_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129584999 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226
1129585009 M * shuri hello
1129585019 M * shuri anyway to bypass Too many IP numbers, max 16
1129585295 M * daniel_hozac edit include/linux/vserver/network.h and increase NB_IPV4ROOT.
1129585302 M * daniel_hozac your performance will suffer though.
1129585377 M * shuri how much suffer?
1129585392 M * daniel_hozac i don't think anyone has benchmarked that yet.
1129585466 M * shuri i need to recompile then
1129585620 M * shuri thank daniel_hozac
1129585969 M * shuri last thing
1129585986 M * shuri how to make vserver load at boot with vserver 2.0
1129586301 M * shuri any vserver.init for debian ?
1129586545 M * daniel_hozac vservers-default doesn't work on debian?
1129586646 M * shuri ./vservers-default start
1129586647 M * shuri Starting vservers of type 'default'....
1129586653 M * shuri but no server start
1129586661 M * shuri i need to tag someting?
1129586681 M * daniel_hozac yes, echo "default" > /etc/vservers/*/apps/init/mark
1129586738 M * shuri good got it
1129586808 M * shuri thx
1129589841 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1129590262 J * Thorsten ~Thorsten@dslb-084-058-143-087.pools.arcor-ip.net
1129590691 Q * eyck Read error: Operation timed out
1129590911 Q * yarihm Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129591377 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
1129591933 Q * FireEgl arion.oftc.net venus.oftc.net
1129592091 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving
1129592121 J * FireEgl Atlantica@2001:5c0:84dc::
1129592783 Q * Thorsten Quit: Leaving
1129592986 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129593330 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds