1129248130 M * romke daniel_hozac: using, found it filling bug repport, thx for help
1129248459 M * micah arg
1129248468 M * micah when linking, I get this error, what am I missing?
1129248468 M * micah net/network.o(.text+0x381b8): In function `tcp_v4_connect':
1129248468 M * micah : undefined reference to `ip_route_output'
1129248596 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1129248633 M * daniel_hozac what kernel and vserver patch?
1129248669 M * micah its the debian kernel, I am trying to forward port the newer vserver patch, but have clearly messed something up
1129248683 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129248713 M * daniel_hozac you mean backport?
1129248795 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1129248819 J * brc bruce@200165185150.user.veloxzone.com.br
1129248821 M * brc BERTL around ?
1129248843 M * micah daniel_hozac: sorry, yes backport :)
1129248850 M * daniel_hozac he went to bed early today.
1129248880 M * brc i've got a big doubt.
1129248886 M * daniel_hozac micah: what patch exactly? 2.0.1-pre2 doesn't seem to touch net/network.c nor ip_route_output...
1129248937 M * micah daniel_hozac: this is 2.4 so the split-2.4.30-vs1.2.10 is what I am working from
1129248950 M * daniel_hozac ah.
1129248956 M * daniel_hozac i've never done 2.4 :)
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1129249046 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1129250222 Q * flock Quit: Expert, n.:  Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides.
1129250314 J * flock ~restless@l192-117-111-12.broadband.actcom.net.il
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1129251251 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax7-185.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1129251297 J * ag-2 ag@muaddib.roxor.cx
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1129251720 N * Aiken_ Aiken
1129251788 J * mrec_ ~revenger@p54B040C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
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1129252371 Q * traffic Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1129253163 J * litage ~nick@203.220.55.70
1129254882 J * lonewolf1 ~lonewolff@host86-128-128-38.range86-128.btcentralplus.com
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1129255555 J * traffic ~gorecki@home.negativeiq.com
1129255718 J * stefani ~stefani@24.19.46.211
1129256041 Q * traffic Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129256943 M * jayeola anybody home?
1129257110 M * daniel_hozac always! ;)
1129257151 M * jayeola brb
1129257255 M * mnemoc lol
1129257328 M * jayeola http://pastebin.com/393024
1129257364 M * jayeola comments appreciated
1129257379 M * jayeola must be a couple of fsck ups in there somewhere
1129257414 M * daniel_hozac tput setaf 1?
1129257496 M * jayeola yah - turns output to colour red
1129257506 M * mnemoc o.o
1129257533 M * jayeola works in  99% shells
1129257564 M * daniel_hozac since you're already using echo -en, why not for that?
1129257629 M * jayeola what, you mean the colour?
1129257643 M * daniel_hozac right.
1129257691 M * daniel_hozac anyway, just wanted to know what it did.
1129257692 M * jayeola it's just a warning for regualr users running it - didn't want to over do it. too much colour may be annoying for some ppl
1129257715 M * jayeola remind ppl that only root can do this kinda stuff
1129257743 M * daniel_hozac right, but that could be simplified to echo -e "you are \033[1mnot root!\033[0m"
1129257792 M * jayeola right, would that always work? i've read that it's not a good idea to hard-code ansi escape charaters....
1129257793 M * daniel_hozac might want to prefix the sources.list appends with a grep -q, i guess.
1129257832 M * jayeola huh?
1129257845 M * daniel_hozac it would always work, but when outputting to a file it would still be there ;)
1129257866 M * daniel_hozac so you don't duplicate already present entries in there.
1129257891 M * jayeola yah - right, ty
1129257912 M * daniel_hozac btw, is non-free really needed for vserver?
1129257929 M * daniel_hozac (i'm not a Debian guy by any means...)
1129257947 M * jayeola um, that's the only repo that i've tried and got it to work out of the box
1129257950 M * jayeola :/
1129258000 M * jayeola i'm not deian geezer either but i wanted to get them up and running - quick. so i went for the base install
1129258006 M * daniel_hozac non-free is just a component though.
1129258025 M * daniel_hozac i don't think util-vserver nor kernel-patch-vserver are in contrib either, but i'm not qualified to say :)
1129258062 M * daniel_hozac you should probably build the kernel in /tmp or something too, having users own directories in /usr is bad ;)
1129258154 M * daniel_hozac 3 seems like ends a bit abruptly.
1129258170 M * daniel_hozac it sounds as if the user is supposed to get a shell.
1129258187 M * daniel_hozac and is it really necessary to apt-get update twice in that step?
1129258332 M * daniel_hozac and don't use ifconfig in a vserver script :P
1129258571 M * jayeola i'm passing the ip address into /etc/ssh/sshd_config
1129258618 M * daniel_hozac by using a deprecated utility and hardcoding your network range ;)
1129258640 M * jayeola yeah - ok so how to improve?
1129258721 M * daniel_hozac well, using ip for starters.
1129258742 M * daniel_hozac but figuring out the IP address to use is hard... probably easier to just show ip output and ask the user.
1129258896 M * jayeola well that line does work. i'm on a dynamic ip here so it may be tedious to ask all the time
1129258912 M * daniel_hozac for your network ;)
1129258926 M * jayeola *nods*
1129258926 M * daniel_hozac the 192 and cut are pretty specific.
1129258990 M * jayeola i could use netstat -r and extract something. but that shows the gateway and not a boxes ip address
1129259036 M * daniel_hozac well, setting that up is a pretty specialized task.
1129259050 M * daniel_hozac and if you're on a dynamic IP, do you have some script to change sshd_config when you get a new one?
1129259060 M * jayeola yah - i guess i should ask the user....
1129259080 M * jayeola the ips here last for a few days/weeks
1129259106 M * jayeola shame though - i was quite proud of that sed line 
1129259677 J * Sonarman ~cleetus@71.141.142.45
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1129265076 J * traffic ~gorecki@home.negativeiq.com
1129266995 P * stefani parting (is such sweet sorrow)
1129268028 J * menomc ~amery@200.75.27.96
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1129268135 N * menomc mnemoc
1129269535 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-190.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1129271288 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1129271292 M * Bertl morning folks!
1129271337 A * Bertl is soon off to the train station (heading www.openweekend.cz)
1129271357 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
1129271627 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1129271665 M * eyck_ morning
1129271726 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
1129271757 N * eyck_ Eyck
1129272007 J * Alecsandro ale@desk.alecsandro.com.br
1129272917 M * Bertl welcome Alecsandro!
1129272925 M * Alecsandro Bertl, ;)
1129272947 M * Bertl okay off for now ... hopefully back in the evening (from openweekend :)
1129272962 M * matti ;)
1129272963 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1129274370 N * lonewolf1 lonewolff
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1129276467 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
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1129276858 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1129278045 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
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1129288019 J * TheSeer ~theseer@border.office.salesemotion.net
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1129290776 J * RoT ~bob@203.59.146.87
1129291051 J * sebi_ ~sebi@Fcf10.f.strato-dslnet.de
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1129295810 J * ydupont ~dupont-y@tomintoul.cri.univ-nantes.fr
1129296136 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1129296263 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1129297868 M * mnemoc is it ok to cp -al dev from one vserver to another? or i should only use -a?
1129298715 Q * Greek0 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129298779 M * Eyck I think you should only use -a
1129299064 J * tchan1 ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1129299204 Q * tchan Killed (NickServ command used by tchan1)
1129299208 N * tchan1 tchan
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1129299719 M * traffic exit
1129299719 M * traffic quit
1129299719 Q * traffic Quit: 
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1129301391 J * RoT ~bob@203.59.146.87
1129301519 M * RoT does anyone know why I am not able to see the boot messages when booting a vserver?
1129301680 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129302005 M * Eyck CAPs
1129302088 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1129302309 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1129302328 M * Bertl evening folks (from prague :)
1129302362 M * Bertl RoT: chances are good you are using plain init style :)
1129302368 M * Eyck woa, that's not that far away...
1129302398 A * Bertl is @ openweekend.cz
1129302492 M * romke Bertl: Vserver workshop is tommorow? will be online transmited?
1129302511 M * Bertl a) yes, b) heard something about that ...
1129302597 M * romke nice :>
1129302679 M * RoT Bertl, yes my style file says plain :), can I change this behaviour?
1129302732 M * Bertl well, yes, not sure you actually want that, though :)
1129302778 M * mnemoc Bertl: running vserver over unionfs is very interesting :) 
1129302781 M * Bertl (alternative would be sysv, no init process will be started)
1129302794 M * RoT ok, so this is normal behavoiur, I can recall at some time in the past seeing the services as they came up but I'm not sure what has changed
1129302798 M * Bertl mnemoc: ah, you are speaking my language :)
1129302829 M * Bertl RoT: well, the init process (and style) changed .. before, sysv was default
1129302904 M * RoT Bertl, ok no worries
1129303058 M * Bertl it's something we will address sooner or later (that init also can write startup logs)
1129303177 M * Bertl okay, off now .. exploring .. back later :)
1129303189 N * Bertl Bertl_oW
1129303364 J * brc bruce@200164253211.user.veloxzone.com.br
1129303418 J * kaRma0 ~coeurl@adsl-68-89-14-73.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net
1129304364 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1129304511 M * mnemoc is it ok to mount a device (reiserfs) more than once instead of doing binds?
1129307010 Q * Vudumen_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129307248 J * Vudumen vudumen@perverz.hu
1129308452 J * chwi ~chwi@212.68.193.213
1129308455 M * chwi hello
1129308538 M * kaRma0 hello
1129308547 M * chwi im trying to install vserver on gentoo but when it has to unpack my .bz2, it says: no free space
1129308562 M * chwi in fact it uses /vservers dir by default
1129308571 M * chwi how can i change the default dir ? 
1129308583 M * chwi i saw:
1129308584 M * chwi ls -l /etc/vservers/.defaults/
1129308584 M * chwi total 8
1129308584 M * chwi drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 Oct  6 15:11 apps
1129308584 M * chwi drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Oct  6 15:11 files
1129308584 M * chwi lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   21 Oct  6 15:11 run.rev -> /var/run/vservers.rev
1129308586 M * chwi lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    9 Oct  6 15:11 vdirbase -> /vservers
1129308602 M * chwi do i have to simply change the vdirbase link ?
1129308678 M * kaRma0 I can't help you, I joined this channel because I'm reading the manual... I'm about to try this on Gentoo as well
1129308720 N * Bertl_oW Bertl
1129308728 M * Bertl evening folks!
1129308731 M * kaRma0 hrmm... maybe someone else can?
1129308736 M * kaRma0 hello :)
1129308738 M * chwi i have no more free space on the partition where is /vservers , so i just wanted to change that
1129308742 M * Bertl probably .. reading up now ...
1129308746 M * chwi Bertl should be :)
1129308783 M * Bertl hello kaRma0 and chwi! :)
1129308801 M * Bertl chwi: well, you have some servers there, I assume?
1129308820 M * chwi no, im installing it, so it's empty until now.
1129308838 M * chwi well, im trying to install :p
1129308839 M * Bertl ah, hmm, why not mount another partition/space there then?
1129308878 M * chwi i cant, there are all mounted on an already used point. It is not possible to change default dir ?
1129308895 M * Bertl chwi: in general, it is a good idea to put the guests on some separate partition (e.g. for xid tagging)
1129308907 M * Bertl which 'partitions' do you have, right now?
1129309176 M * chwi some parition from a disk, for my system (/ /var /usr /tmp ) .. and 2 anothers disks for somes applications like ftpd on anothers mount points 
1129309227 M * Bertl okay, why not do: mkdir /some/other/partition/vservers
1129309238 M * Bertl mount --bind /some/other/partition/vservers /vservers
1129309245 M * chwi haaa
1129309251 M * chwi i didnt find about it
1129309255 M * chwi i test right now
1129309256 M * chwi thks
1129309263 M * Bertl you're welcome :)
1129309351 M * Bertl kaRma0: do you need anything?
1129309763 M * chwi it works, thks again Bertl
1129309801 M * mnemoc chwi: lvm :)
1129309827 M * Bertl chwi: yeah, lvm2 or evms might be a good idea next time :)
1129309863 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129310388 M * chwi yes :)
1129310426 M * chwi im in but ifconfig eth0 there is no adress ip ( i set --interface eth0:192.168.1.2/24 though). 
1129310527 M * Bertl expected :)
1129310561 M * Bertl ifconfig was 'replaced' a few years ago with 'ip' from iproute2
1129310569 M * mnemoc few? 6-7?
1129310573 M * Bertl thus, it doesn't see everything on a linux host ...
1129310586 M * Bertl chwi: your options are:
1129310598 M * Bertl a) add a 'name' entry 
1129310615 M * Bertl b) use --interface hansi=eth0:192.168.1.2/24 (alias)
1129310632 M * Bertl c) use 'ip' from iproute2 to show the ips :)
1129311102 M * micah Bertl: how is prague?
1129311128 M * micah its a nice city
1129311148 M * Bertl yeah, well, currently it's cold and dark :)
1129311205 M * micah an asteroid has passed over the sun and is about to hit earth!?
1129311209 M * mnemoc visiting vienna and prague is on my dreams list
1129311219 M * micah oh, wait thats probably just the moon
1129311243 M * micah both are very cool cities
1129311313 M * Bertl yes, and vienna is also very dusty ... :)
1129311384 M * mnemoc have you live there your whole life?
1129311426 M * Bertl me? no, just a short span (in vienna)
1129311964 N * nokoya nokoya-
1129312009 N * nokoya- nokoya
1129312070 M * micah Bertl: I've confirmed that the 2.4.27-9-vs1.2.10 patch that ships with debian is vulnerable to the rootesc exploit, I've been backporting the newer split-2.4.30-vs1.2.10 to see if that solves the problem
1129312139 M * micah only two out of the 10 split files are left, they are causing me some fun because of new features introduced in 2.4.31
1129312161 M * chwi Bertl ha yes, when i do a "ip route" from the host i see: 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.2
1129312172 M * chwi and effectvly, it's pingable.
1129312338 M * chwi i can also ping my host from my vserver, but i cant ping an internet address, nor i can route add default gw 192.168.0.1 to solve that. I have to learn ip now :)
1129312396 M * Bertl okay, off now ... back later
1129312399 M * AndrewLee micah: Hi
1129312411 N * Bertl Bertl_oW
1129312424 M * AndrewLee micah: Does that means you will sent a DSA later?
1129312477 M * micah AndrewLee: that means I need to find out if this is a kernel-patch problem, or a kernel-source problem and then construct a new package and a DSA for the security team
1129312514 M * micah AndrewLee: that is why I am trying to get a newer kernel-patch working to determine this
1129312526 Q * cryo Remote host closed the connection
1129312559 M * AndrewLee micah: That seems not easy to me. 
1129312567 M * micah AndrewLee: no, it is not
1129312606 M * AndrewLee micah: Would that be helpful if util-vserver doesn't upgrade...
1129312623 M * micah AndrewLee: I do not understand
1129312650 M * AndrewLee micah: I found the util-vserver in sarge is buggy
1129312689 M * micah AndrewLee: that is already known
1129312698 M * AndrewLee micah: And your kernel-patch-vserver in sarge are works fine with 2.6.8 with new-style config
1129312728 M * AndrewLee micah: But the util-vserver in srage is for old-style config...
1129312748 M * micah AndrewLee: i thought it works with both
1129312781 M * AndrewLee micah: My mistake, I mean vserver-debiantools
1129312853 M * micah AndrewLee: yes, as I said before, vserver-debiantools needs to go away
1129312862 M * micah I do not recommend using it
1129312871 M * AndrewLee micah: I see.
1129312909 M * AndrewLee micah: I haven't tried to build a new guest by vserver-build
1129312984 M * AndrewLee micah: Would that be possible to remove vserver-debiantools from sarge?
1129313005 M * micah AndrewLee: no, it doesn't fit the sarge update criteria
1129313118 M * AndrewLee micah: Would that be possible to backport util-vserver from sid to sarge as a DSA upgrade?
1129313217 M * micah AndrewLee: DSA stands for Debian Security Advisory, it can only be upgraded if we can find a security problem
1129313230 M * micah AndrewLee: and even then, it can only be upgraded to fix that security problem
1129313298 M * AndrewLee micah: I know that, so I think it's still impossible to upgrade util-vserver to newer version in sarge
1129313377 M * AndrewLee micah: the util-vserver in sarge is buggy, it doesn't work but not that critical as security problem
1129313412 M * AndrewLee micah: I am so sad to see that...:(
1129313438 M * micah AndrewLee: read the sarge update criteria, there are other criteria that might be used, I am trying to determine if it is so
1129313443 M * micah I have to go now, ciao!
1129313546 M * AndrewLee micah: Thank you very much. Hope you can make the util-vserver upgrade in sarge as well. :)
1129316860 Q * brc Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1129316945 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1129318038 M * chwi i can ping my gtw, but not internet. I can from with my real computers inside my lan. Can someone help me ? 
1129318088 M * daniel_hozac chwi: from your vservers? where is your vserver host in the network?
1129318167 M * chwi it's the gtw
1129318208 M * daniel_hozac right, as i expected. i assume you're using MASQUERADE, and not SNAT?
1129318217 M * chwi yes
1129318229 M * daniel_hozac you'll need the SNAT rule as well/instead.
1129318234 M * daniel_hozac for the vservers to be NATed.
1129318256 Q * comfrey Quit: Lost terminal
1129318393 M * chwi it can work with my masquerading settings like my others boxes ? 
1129318430 M * chwi (and my gsxvmware virtual computers btw)
1129318452 M * chwi it cant* work ?
1129318455 M * daniel_hozac no, MASQUERADE doesn't apply to locally created packages.
1129318470 M * chwi ha fuck
1129318818 J * Greek0 ~greek0@85.255.145.201
1129319401 M * chwi u know what iptables line daniel_hozac ?
1129319476 M * chwi my gtw is 192.168.0.1/21 and my vserver guest is 192.168.1.2/24 i tried: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d ! 192.168.1.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.0.1
1129319480 M * chwi but nothing :(
1129319534 M * chwi i still can ping 192.168.0.1 but not outside (internet)
1129319740 M * daniel_hozac you need to SNAT to the external IP address.
1129319771 M * chwi but it's a dynamical one, im one adsl
1129319784 M * daniel_hozac you'll need to update it when it changes then.
1129319798 M * chwi damn
1129319843 M * chwi and if i put my vservers on the same ip range (192.168.0.0/21) than my gtw and my others computers, it could work without snat?
1129319856 M * daniel_hozac no.
1129319870 M * chwi :/
1129319876 M * daniel_hozac the packets still won't be caught by the MASQUERADE rule.
1129320024 M * daniel_hozac the list archives are full of threads on this topic.
1129321984 M * kaRma0 hrmm... wth is xen?  ...is it something that I can use to monitor Linux-VServers, or is it it
1129322001 M * kaRma0 it's own virtual machine implementation
1129322005 M * kaRma0 ?
1129322087 M * kaRma0 haha, enough lines? (freakin' enter key)  ...let me rephrase
1129322115 M * daniel_hozac it's a paravirtualizer, IIRC.
1129322118 M * kaRma0 what is xen?  Can I monitor Linux-VServers?
1129322124 M * daniel_hozac basically fast virtual machines.
1129322130 M * kaRma0 oh
1129322170 M * kaRma0 so, it's definately not something that I can run with VServers?
1129322214 M * daniel_hozac you could run a vserver host in an xen guest.
1129322257 M * kaRma0 okay... so, I could potentially use xen to run performance tests on VServers?
1129322292 M * daniel_hozac humm?
1129322384 M * kaRma0 I saw the link to xen in the documentation, I wasn't sure if it is something that could be used to test speed and efficiency with vservers
1129322397 M * kaRma0 ...or that was my hope
1129322403 M * daniel_hozac no, it's something similar.
1129322440 M * daniel_hozac (to vserver)
1129322443 M * kaRma0 similar to vservers?  ...same idea, different implementation
1129322446 M * kaRma0 ahh, okay
1129322450 M * kaRma0 thank you :)
1129322451 M * daniel_hozac not really same idea.
1129322472 M * mnemoc xen and vserver are very distant :)
1129322476 M * kaRma0 ti's used more for performance testing and such?
1129322480 M * kaRma0 lol, I see
1129322508 M * mnemoc no other virtualization has vserver performance
1129322520 M * kaRma0 ahh, that's goo to know
1129322525 M * kaRma0 *good
1129322562 M * kaRma0 I was actually looking more for a means of testing different distributions in a vserver environment
1129322590 M * mnemoc uhm
1129322598 M * kaRma0 run 2 vservers, one with gentoo, another with fedora.  Something to that effect
1129322612 M * daniel_hozac problem being?
1129322657 M * kaRma0 no problems, just trying to come up with ideas :)
1129322786 M * mnemoc you can run gentoo on one and fedora on another, but i doubt vserver is the easier alternative for "testing different distributions"
1129322801 M * kaRma0 okay
1129322900 M * kaRma0 well, I am looking at implementing a set of vservers.  distribution hasn't been decided yet, so my thought was to compare numbers to see which might work better under vserver specifically
1129323481 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1129324203 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-037.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1129324507 N * Bertl_oW Bertl
1129324511 M * Bertl back now ...
1129324955 M * Bertl okay, guess I'm off to bed ... have to catch some sleep ...
1129324964 M * Bertl cya tommorrow then ...
1129324971 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1129327433 J * calum ~calum@82-69-161-141.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1129327437 M * calum Hallo
1129327523 M * calum I was just wondering if anyone had made an Munin plugins for vserver related statistics before I had a look at how tricky it would be
1129328220 M * mrec_ Bertl_zZ: awake?
1129328228 M * mrec_ whow he went to bed before 12
1129328232 M * mrec_ before midnight even
1129330155 M * micah mrec_: zZ means sleeping
1129330843 M * mrec_ micah: he's austrian so he has to be up normally :P
1129330913 M * micah mrec_: except he is in prague
1129330951 M * mrec_ lazy guy
1129330965 M * mrec_ what is he doing there?
1129330969 M * mrec_ any meeting?
1129330976 M * daniel_hozac openweekend.cz
1129330994 M * mrec_ what I really don't like about vserver is that changing the tty permissions isn't possible
1129331018 M * daniel_hozac as in?
1129331143 M * mrec_ diginet:/home/revenger# chmod 777 /dev/pts/6 
1129331143 M * mrec_ diginet:/home/revenger# vserver vnet2 enter
1129331143 M * mrec_ mesg: /dev/pts/6: Operation not permitted
1129331143 M * mrec_ vnet2:/# 
1129331441 M * daniel_hozac that's due to the devpts virtualization. it's a security measure.
1129331457 M * daniel_hozac you don't want different vservers writing to eachothers ttys.
1129331486 M * mrec_ I don't want _that_ yes but I do want to be able to change the tty in the vserver for the appropriate terminal
1129331512 M * mrec_ for example if I do a su user and type screen
1129331521 M * mrec_ the user itself will not be able to open the terminal
1129331531 M * daniel_hozac just ssh to the vserver instead of using vserver ... enter.
1129331532 M * mrec_ this is a total restriction 
1129331551 M * daniel_hozac as ssh will allocate a tty in the context.
1129331555 M * mrec_ ok that's a workaround :) 
1129332640 M * micah or run screen from the host
1129332854 M * micah time for me to go
1129333049 M * calum Czech Republic eh
1129333053 M * calum Lucky beggar.
1129333059 M * calum Czech girls...
1129333061 M * calum Mmm