1128643211 M * mnemoc sounds very interesting :)
1128643279 M * gndmstr before we got those every time i would miss and lock a machine up he would have to drive the 10 miles to the noc just to reset the machine ... now i do all that from 1000 miles away.. only time he has to go there is when one machine misbehaves, that bios has no power switch settings and when it loses power it stays off
1128643323 M * gndmstr and in this vserver patch testing im working with bertl on, when it locks the kernel, if im in the cms i get a trace i can give him
1128643351 M * gndmstr 2 tools no remote management should be without :)
1128643424 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1128643441 M * gndmstr and you dont have to get cms, there are many decent serial boxes out there that are more like 'house brands' that work well
1128643466 M * gndmstr i think the smallest ive seen is a 2 port serial box
1128643578 M * Aiken gndmstr a friend of mine works in its at the local uni admining many solaris boxes. He raves about the that kind of console
1128643597 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1128643597 M * Aiken he loves being able to telnet to the console and do what ever he needs including cycling the power
1128643606 M * Bertl evening folks!
1128643609 M * gndmstr they are vedry handy
1128643613 M * gndmstr evening bertl
1128643615 M * Aiken good morning
1128643640 M * gndmstr im not gonna have alot of time tonight.. maybe an hour.. im exhausted... last 2 nights in bed at 3am and up again at 6 has taken its toll
1128643647 Q * Shoragan Quit: Leaving
1128643681 M * Bertl gndmstr: I can understand that ... any news/dumps?
1128643711 M * gndmstr not yet. im about to try it for the first time since this morning..
1128643760 M * Bertl great!
1128643768 M * gndmstr i did an emergency guest creation for our router admin today which we talked earlier about. its working perfectly but i put it on the single proc machine deliberately
1128643768 M * Bertl mnemoc: still around?
1128643780 M * mnemoc yes
1128643802 M * mnemoc gndmstr: i can't find any apc remote power management at ebay :\
1128643803 M * Bertl mnemoc: you didn't tell me about unionfs (well, you did, but I didn't remember/realize)
1128643815 Q * ntrs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128643839 M * mnemoc Bertl: is unionfs related to 'i'?
1128643842 M * Bertl mnemoc: unionfs could be the reason for the missing attributes
1128643863 M * Bertl mnemoc: but also did you use the atttrs option for resierfs?
1128643870 M * Bertl *attrs
1128643902 M * mnemoc i enabled xattrs on kernel, but i didn't give any special arguemnt to testfs on that regard
1128643918 M * Bertl okay, that's fine, testfs uses it automatically ...
1128644003 M * gndmstr Bertl how do you want me to do it.. manually shut them down shutting good ones down first then the qmail, or just reboot and hope for the best:)
1128644044 M * gndmstr brb getting a full cup of coffee before i start :)
1128644120 M * gndmstr back
1128644236 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128644289 M * Bertl gndmstr: well, anything which triggers an oops would be appreciated (if the issue still remains, that is)
1128644307 M * gndmstr it did this morning so i dont thnk it will change
1128644324 M * gndmstr just i wasnt in the serial console this morning so i missed the trace
1128644354 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128644403 M * Bertl mnemoc: the 'journal' oops seems reiserfs related
1128644820 J * litage ~nick@203.220.55.70
1128644974 M * gndmstr Bertl: http://pastebin.com/385716
1128645247 M * mnemoc Bertl: yes, but it was odd to get it while only doing testfs -F ext2 on that machine :)
1128645331 M * Bertl gndmstr: thanks!
1128645345 M * gndmstr seems centered around the same module
1128645377 M * Bertl well, I precisely know _what_ happens, I just don't know _why_ :/
1128645381 M * gndmstr :)
1128645384 M * gndmstr understood
1128645384 M * litage sshd on a vserver guest is told in its conf file to listen on 10.0.0.10, which is the host's ip address. but when sshd is running, ``netstat -tlp'' says sshd is listening on 172.41.168.202.com. why would that be?
1128645421 M * Bertl does the guest have the 10.0.0.10 ip assigned?
1128645486 M * litage Bertl: yes. ``cat /etc/vservers/tortoise/interfaces/0/*'' shows "eth0   10.0.0.10   24"
1128645509 M * gndmstr i saw you discussing reiserfs.. all our systems are reiser if that means anything to this
1128645513 M * litage Bertl: i can also ping 10.0.0.10
1128645562 M * Bertl litage: hmm, how is the sshd told to listen to 10.0.0.10 and are you sure that the 'host' is not already running an sshd there?
1128645609 M * Bertl gndmstr: reiserfs is know to be 'strange' but it's not an issue here
1128645627 M * gndmstr ok 
1128645635 M * litage Bertl: ``netstat -ntlp'' shows this actually:     tcp    0    0 10.0.0.10:8554    0.0.0.0:*    LISTEN     1390/sshd
1128645734 M * litage Bertl: think i figured it out. thanks  :)
1128645739 M * Bertl ahem? so your name resolver reverses 10.0.0.10 to this?
1128645766 M * Bertl (or what was it? please enlighten me?)
1128645793 Q * jkl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128645875 Q * mef Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12
1128645896 M * litage Bertl: i'm not 100% what's causing it, but i believe it has something to do with our router and NAT
1128646650 M * Bertl Greek0: you around?
1128646914 M * Bertl Aiken: wanna help me going through the kernel code/cases?
1128647047 M * gndmstr i think i can keep awake another 30 min if it will help
1128647074 M * Bertl np, I'd suggest you go to bed early, and we continue testing tomorrow ...
1128647176 M * gndmstr ok... the boss got the drives in today and he had me give him the url for the latest iso so i suspect ill be installing the host os over the weekend.. but nothing will be done as far as making any guests until it is put into the rack sometime next week
1128647204 M * Bertl as I said, I have a 'workaround' for you ...
1128647227 M * Bertl but if possible I'd like to understand and fix it properly
1128647229 M * gndmstr ok. wont need it till next week. until it goes into the rack it will be a 'normal' os
1128647234 M * gndmstr sure.. 
1128647268 M * Bertl just to clarify, you get it on the 'start' not on the 'stop' right?
1128647271 M * gndmstr even while im putting guests into it, there is still time and even better because once i move everything the machine will remain for a while so i can just change the ip addys of whats on it and keep it working
1128647276 M * gndmstr right
1128647291 M * gndmstr i thinik it timed out because clamd refused to stop
1128647322 M * Bertl the tools you are using are vanilla 0.30.208 or?
1128647336 M * gndmstr lemme check
1128647411 M * gndmstr util-vserver-0.30.208-r3
1128647428 M * Bertl okay, the gentoo version, right?
1128647432 M * gndmstr right
1128647438 M * mnemoc -r3 = fix02?
1128647450 M * Bertl I assume, probably fix03
1128647471 M * gndmstr it is supposed to have the latest stop fix stuff in it you and hollow came up with
1128647475 M * Bertl gndmstr: okay, last thing, could you addr2line a few addresses for me?
1128647481 M * gndmstr ok
1128647592 M * Bertl c011acd0 c011b0b6 c011b1ec c030c832 c030b9ea 
1128647633 M * gndmstr kernel/fork.c:105
1128647633 M * gndmstr kernel/fork.c:337
1128647640 M * gndmstr kernel/fork.c:306
1128647640 M * gndmstr net/core/sock.c:1217
1128647641 M * gndmstr include/linux/vs_context.h:92
1128647665 M * Bertl excellent, they now make sense it seems ... thank you! 
1128647697 M * gndmstr ok.. this is all way above me :)  if you're happy then good
1128647722 M * gndmstr i see what its doing but ive never done this kind of debugging on a kernel before..
1128647738 M * Aiken Bertl sorry no, at the moment I have the front brake calipers of my bike apart and making a mess
1128647751 M * Bertl Aiken: no problem, just asked ...
1128647779 M * Aiken might be able to later
1128647792 M * Bertl k, don't worry too much ...
1128647842 Q * Johnsie Quit: G'bye!
1128648085 M * gndmstr if it helps to know the hardware, i watched the boot this last time.. dual p3 katmai processors on an intel N440EX motherboard
1128648127 M * Bertl k, the SMP seems relevant, but I'm not 100% sure ...
1128648146 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1128648660 Q * litage Remote host closed the connection
1128648665 J * litage ~nick@203.220.55.70
1128648670 M * litage if the error "connection refused" occurs when trying to ssh into a vserver guest, and the guest's sshd log shows no mention of an attempted connection, what could be preventing the connection?
1128648696 M * litage (the vserver host is listening on its ip address, not 0.0.0.0)
1128648710 M * Bertl a missing sshd?
1128648734 M * Bertl an entry in hosts.deny/missing in hosts.allow?
1128648787 M * litage Bertl: i haven't made any use of hosts.{deny,allow}
1128648812 M * Johnsie Make sure your /tmp directory exists.
1128648821 M * litage Johnsie: it does
1128648827 M * Johnsie On many distributions, it writes a session file into /tmp.
1128648847 M * Johnsie Did you bind the host side to an address?
1128648888 M * Bertl litage: what about starting the sshd (inside the guest) with debug enabled?
1128648923 M * gndmstr Bertl will you be needing anything else? if not im gonna crash
1128649011 M * Johnsie What distribution are you on, litage?
1128649031 M * Bertl gndmstr: that's what I had in mind, good night!
1128649047 M * gndmstr ok good night .. see ya tomorrow
1128649050 M * gndmstr night all
1128649055 Q * gndmstr Remote host closed the connection
1128649168 M * litage Bertl, Johnsie: the problem's fixed now. it did have to do with nat and the router; nothing to do with vservers ssh
1128649172 M * litage Johnsie: debian serage
1128649178 M * litage s/serage/sarge/
1128649181 M * Johnsie Oh okay.
1128649189 M * litage thanks for your help though  :)
1128649195 M * Johnsie Sure.
1128649196 M * Bertl np, you're welcome!
1128650513 J * yungyuc ~yungyuc@220-135-53-220.HINET-IP.hinet.net
1128650520 M * Bertl welcome yungyuc!
1128650539 M * litage this is off-topic, but..
1128650541 M * litage when setting up a DNS server in a DMZ, should the DNS server have entries for hosts on internal, non-DMZ networks?
1128650582 M * Bertl does the DNS serve inside and outside? if so, it would be best to discriminate based on the source ...
1128650605 M * Bertl i.e. return private/internal queries coming from inside but not outside
1128650757 M * litage the DNS server in the DMZ serves within the DMZ and to the internet. i have a separate DNS server for our internal, private network
1128650770 M * litage so i guess i just answered my own question, eh  =P
1128650800 M * Bertl sometimes it helps to talk about it :)
1128650826 M * litage quite true
1128652660 N * nokoya nokoya-
1128652741 N * nokoya- nokoya
1128652996 J * jkl eric@c-67-173-249-8.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1128653006 M * Bertl welcome jkl!
1128653048 M * AndrewLee hi
1128653063 A * AndrewLee woke up earlier today.
1128653080 M * Bertl ah, good morning then! :)
1128653086 M * AndrewLee Bertl: :)
1128653125 M * AndrewLee Bertl: does vserver-copy works only for old-style vserver?
1128653139 M * Bertl yes
1128653198 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I see.
1128653234 M * Bertl but you can get a similar result by using the -m skeleton build method (with all new config options) and copying over the guest data
1128653259 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Do you know how to build a rpm-based(eg:fedora) guest on debian host?
1128653288 M * Bertl tricky ... the problem is often a working rpm (not to speak of apt-rpm or yum)
1128653314 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I just simply cp -a oldvserver newvserver and then modify the new-style configure
1128653341 M * Bertl well, if you modify it properly, that's going to be fine :)
1128653352 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Does rpm works on debian?
1128653362 M * Bertl if you miss some of the symlinks and/or get other stuff wrong, you will experience strange effects ...
1128653362 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Yap, I got new vserver up already.
1128653399 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I changed ip and links and also the nodename
1128653410 M * AndrewLee Bertl: also the hostname setting inside of a guest.
1128653424 M * Bertl once you make it compile, with all the dependancies, rpm will work on debian too
1128653440 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I thought there is a rpm package in debian.
1128653458 M * Bertl IIRC, that only tells you to use alien for packages :)
1128653477 M * Bertl (and that's the only purpose of this rpm :)
1128653489 M * AndrewLee hum...that will be a problem for building a rpm-based guest on debian.
1128653528 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Have you heard any work around?
1128653557 M * Bertl but you can a) build your own (from the sources) and b) create the guest somewhere else and move it to the debian host
1128653572 M * Bertl in the future? c) rpmstrap might be a solution too
1128653584 M * AndrewLee what's rpmstrap?
1128653602 M * Bertl http://hackers.progeny.com/~sam/rpmstrap/
1128653619 M * AndrewLee let me have a look :)
1128653742 M * AndrewLee Bertl: cool! But no such package available on debian yet.
1128653761 M * Bertl maybe start one? build one?
1128653831 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Only src.rpm and i386.rpm packages available, looks like I should build it from tarball.
1128653895 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Thanks for tha information, I will give it a try on my host(cause I got some requests from rpm-based users group in Taiwan.)
1128653929 A * AndrewLee is going to create some guests for rpm-based user groups.
1128653929 M * Bertl you're welcome! please share your findings on the ML ...
1128654048 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I am going to file wishlist bugs to against util-vserver/kernel-patch-vserver in debian, the testme.sh and testfs.sh scripts should mentioned in the README.Debian in the packages.
1128654085 M * Bertl mentioned, yeah, included, no ... better keep them up-to-date :)
1128654138 M * AndrewLee Bertl: That might helpful you asking same question here. :p
1128654169 M * AndrewLee Bertl: you anwsering same questions
1128654216 M * Bertl yes, would be really great if folks would add the _answers_ to the wiki, but well, folks are lazy ...
1128654265 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Wiki is messed for me, I would like to add, but I don't know where is the best place to add the answers
1128654307 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I hope someone who knows better on vserver and help to refile the wiki pages.
1128654308 M * Bertl you can always ask and/or restructure the wiki (given it is an improvement)
1128654322 M * AndrewLee Bertl: So that we can find the place to add new answers.
1128654343 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I sent an email to ML, but I didn't see it on ML.
1128654352 M * Bertl typically the FAQ is a good place for often asked questions and answers
1128654359 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I don't know what was wrong. Maybe the ML blocked my email.
1128654399 M * Bertl could be, if your mailer is broken/badly configured ... feel free to send me a test email, and I can have a look ..
1128654402 M * AndrewLee let me check the FAQ page.
1128654460 M * AndrewLee http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-Vserver+FAQ  <= This one?
1128654502 M * Bertl yes, that's the main FAQ
1128654617 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Should I add the answers in I. Issues?
1128654641 M * Bertl depends on the question/answer ...
1128654657 M * Bertl maybe a separate page would be a good choice too
1128654678 M * Bertl something like 'Collected Q&A'
1128654719 M * Bertl in any case, keep in mind that there is a wiki mailing list, so use the preview feature and keep the number of changes low ...
1128654730 M * AndrewLee Hum...the Q&A are too many on the wiki, people usually don't know which answer is the best to try
1128654761 M * Bertl well, often there are _different_ solutions to one problem ...
1128654780 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I don't see the ML for wiki
1128654829 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Should same problem only show up once with all different solutions together?
1128654845 M * Bertl would probably be a good idea ...
1128654964 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Just provide different solutions with the problem once together, not in many different place. :p
1128654982 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Where is the ML for wiki?
1128654993 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I would like to subscribe
1128655000 M * Bertl I'm checking for that right now ... seems the url was removed ...
1128655057 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Does any folk works on wiki often? Maybe I should ask him and work together with him.
1128655104 M * Bertl everybody can 'work' on the wiki .. that's the idea
1128655120 M * Bertl ah, it was moved to 'important links'
1128655130 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I think the answers and documents are quite a lot on the wiki already, but all in differnet place which difficult for people who looking for answer.
1128655394 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure 80-90% of the answers are already there
1128655522 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Agree :)
1128655764 A * AndrewLee felt the wiki is slow again.
1128655848 M * Bertl well, it's not the fastest .. but it depends on what you're doing ...
1128656036 M * AndrewLee Bertl: It's ok, I didn't find any page mentioned the testfs.sh
1128656058 A * AndrewLee is going to add the to the faq page.
1128656120 M * Bertl what's the question to which testfs.sh is the answer?
1128656153 M * Bertl (just curious)
1128656329 M * AndrewLee I use Debian sarge, after I recompiled the kernel with kernel-patch-vserver, how can I tell the vserver patch and tools works for me?
1128656359 M * AndrewLee A: To be sure that your setup works fine, we provided some test scripts that checks some basic functionality. So download the  [http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testme.sh testme.sh] and [http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/testfs.sh testfs.sh] scripts and check if everything's fine.
1128656361 M * Bertl ah, interesting ... well, maybe that should really get a separate page ...
1128656381 M * Bertl something like: how to verify that a setup is working properly ...
1128656387 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I have seems this kinda questions many times here. :p
1128656403 M * AndrewLee Bertl: And I asked this kinda question before
1128656407 M * Bertl because the testfs.sh is not for the faint of heart ...
1128656418 M * AndrewLee Bertl: What's testfs.sh for?
1128656425 M * Bertl i.e. it might easily reformat your hard disk :)
1128656444 M * Bertl but you're right, it verifies linux-vserver functionality ...
1128656454 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Maybe should provide some example how to create a loopback file for testfs.sh
1128656473 M * Bertl yes, that's why I said, this could make up a separate page ...
1128656489 M * Bertl plus an entry on the FAQ, which points there
1128656506 M * AndrewLee Ok, I changed the question to: How to verify that a setup is working properly for me?
1128656570 M * AndrewLee Bertl: So that means I souldn't add this to the I.Issues session?
1128656570 M * Bertl yes, make that an entry under A.General
1128656577 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Ok
1128656590 M * Bertl 4. How can I verify that linux-vserver works?
1128656622 M * Bertl and add a link/page labeled TestScripts there
1128656631 M * Bertl (similar to the ProjectOverview)
1128656672 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Roger that.
1128656689 M * Bertl we should also add the FAQ on the mainpage .. I guess
1128656718 M * Bertl I'll rearrange the main page a little myself ...
1128656762 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1128656765 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Yes, the FAQ should listed on the main page. :p
1128656905 J * sebi_ ~sebi@Fce89.f.strato-dslnet.de
1128656999 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I have saved it on FAQ page. Please have a look :)
1128657014 Q * sebi Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128657170 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1128657287 Q * Johnsie Quit: G'bye!
1128657514 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1128657646 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I made http://linux-vserver.org/TestScripts
1128657676 M * AndrewLee Bertl: Proof read please. :)
1128657912 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com
1128658446 M * Bertl okay, did an overhaul of the main page ...
1128658546 M * Bertl AndrewLee: yep, the TestScripts page looks fine to me ... will add some details there ...
1128658680 M * AndrewLee Bertl: I am leaving for lunch, be right back.
1128658716 M * Bertl np
1128659135 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
1128661472 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1128661480 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1128662185 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection
1128662613 M * Bertl okay, folks ... I'm off to bed ... cya tomorrow!
1128662621 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1128662772 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1128662900 M * eyck cya today?
1128663137 A * AndrewLee is back
1128663150 M * AndrewLee Bertl_zZ: Have nice dream. :-)
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1128666425 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1128666783 J * BWare ~bware@office.intouch.net
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1128667692 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1128667911 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de
1128668822 Q * Johnsie Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1128673081 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
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1128675873 Q * Aiken Read error: Connection reset by peer
1128675873 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax6-039.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1128676848 J * gndmstr ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net
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1128676997 M * gndmstr Bertl .. let me know when you are ready and have time and we can see what else can be found. i will check in from time to time and will keep a watch on the list for when i see new posts.
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1128680742 M * Greek0 Bertl_zZ: now I'm around ;)
1128680992 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
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1128682165 J * UKALA ~adm@85.98.53.247
1128682478 M * hippo Hey everyone. I deleted most of the /dev entries apart from the ones that I was told to leave - but it made curses programs (apt-setup for example) break - the arrow keys didn't move the cursor - they just printed letters. Any idea which one I killed that causes that?
1128682650 M * hippo Scratch that last question
1128682657 M * hippo Must have been my term playing up
1128683154 J * erwan_taf ~erwan@81.80.43.77
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1128690414 M * nox can someone give me a hint how to vserver-build a suse9.3 ?
1128692411 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
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1128693588 M * hippo nox: Have you ever compiled a kernel?
1128693611 M * nox hippo: in which way is this related ?
1128694177 M * hippo Well, a vserver host needs to have the kernel patched with the vserver patch
1128694194 M * hippo Or you mean build a guest Suse 9.3?
1128694232 M * nox hippo: yes a guest
1128694258 M * daniel_hozac nox: -m rpm with an appropriate list of RPMs should do it.
1128694789 M * nox daniel_hozac: thx so i gonna search for a slim list
1128696218 M * hippo nox: If you find a good way of doing it, can you add it to the tiki at linux-vserver.org please? I don't need one now, but I mgiht in the future....
1128696368 A * nox gets confirmed that suse and slim is not compatibly 
1128696525 J * samuel ~samuel@Quebec-HSE-ppp242189.qc.sympatico.ca
1128696529 M * samuel hi
1128697107 M * hippo Anyone know what causes this message:
1128697109 M * hippo # vserver laurence start
1128697109 M * hippo RTNETLINK answers: File exists
1128697245 M * [MUPPETS]Gonzo you try to set-up your net-device which is already set-up by the vserver-"kernel"?
1128697339 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1128697413 M * samuel hey
1128697475 J * dddd44 dhb55@60.49.78.240
1128697518 M * samuel I don't known why, but I've rebooted my host and now my vserver use the host main interface (eth0) instead of their interface (dummyN)
1128697600 M * samuel oh, a nat things I think
1128698362 M * hippo [MUPPETS]Gonzo: But it was working fine. I just rebooted a vserver, and now when I start it, it gives me that warning.
1128699821 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1128699934 J * mrec_ ~revenger@p54B03C70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1128700353 Q * mrec Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128700729 J * stefani ~stefani@superquan.apl.washington.edu
1128702763 J * Blissex pcg@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk
1128705900 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection
1128706471 J * gndmstr ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net
1128706574 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1128706579 M * Bertl morning folks!
1128706599 M * gndmstr Good afternoon :)
1128706643 M * Bertl ah, gndmstr! I have a patch to test for you ...
1128706662 M * Greek0 Bertl: pong
1128706666 M * gndmstr ok i can apply it and make the kernel but i cant reboot till tonight unless things go sour
1128706713 M * gndmstr thats the bad part about working on a production machine :)
1128706730 M * gndmstr hehe boss is fast.. im installing the base os on teh dell now
1128706824 M * gndmstr not gonna patch that kernel till there is one that we are pretty sure of.. its probably going into the rack sunday but i can stretch maybe another day on it before i have to begin putting guests on it
1128706923 M * gndmstr btw, do nfs mounts work within a guest or am i better off mounting before the guest starts
1128707033 M * Bertl no problem .. I'll upload it soon, when you're ready, we start testing .. k?
1128707065 M * gndmstr ok. if i see traffic slide to a minimum i can reboot then without much problem
1128707108 M * Bertl @all next linux-vserver workshop: OpenWeekend 2005 in Prague (next weekend :)
1128707114 M * gndmstr do you need more testing on the current running kernel? i can do some of it now
1128707136 M * Bertl no, without the mentioned changed there is no point in testing ...
1128707140 M * gndmstr heh maybe i can win the lottery and then attend
1128707141 M * gndmstr ok
1128707159 M * gndmstr then ill patch a new kernel and get it ready and soon as i can see a lull in traffic ill reboot it
1128707173 M * Bertl okay, but keep the current kernel as 'fallback'
1128707183 M * gndmstr ok
1128707730 M * Bertl Greek0: ahh, ping2! :)
1128707862 M * Bertl gndmstr: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/delta-2.6.13.3-vs2.1.0-rc3.3-rc3.4.diff
1128707886 M * gndmstr ok
1128707897 M * gndmstr this applies over what is already there
1128707952 M * Bertl it is supposed to ...
1128707970 M * Hollow hey Bertl 
1128707989 M * Bertl evening Hollow!
1128708015 M * Hollow i'm trying the secure_mount ccap, and getting the following error on mount:
1128708018 M * Hollow hera ~ # mount --bind /usr/portage/ test/
1128708018 M * Hollow can't open lock file /etc/mtab~: Permission denied (use -n flag to override)
1128708020 M * Hollow with -n it works
1128708065 M * mnemoc Bertl: hi, without unionfs loaded testfs was happy for reiserfs here
1128708070 M * Hollow i checked permissions, they're just like on a host
1128708070 M * Bertl and, why can't it open /etc/mtab~ ?
1128708084 M * Hollow and i'm root, so dunno why it can't open it
1128708089 M * mnemoc immutable?
1128708102 M * Hollow hm
1128708105 M * Bertl Hollow: you are root, except for the dangerous capabilities :)
1128708121 M * Hollow yeah..
1128708127 M * Hollow it is not immutable..
1128708204 M * Hollow just browsing the mount sources
1128708210 M * Greek0 Bertl: ;)
1128708235 M * Hollow seems like "link(linktargetfile, MOUNTED_LOCK);" throws the error
1128708281 M * Bertl locking?
1128708301 M * Bertl mnemoc: good to hear .. now you can start bug-fixing unionfs :)
1128708307 M * Hollow hm.. think i'm wrong.. but is there any restriction to locking?
1128708309 M * mnemoc :\
1128708351 M * Bertl Greek0: IIRC, I 'pinged' you because of the kernel issues gndmstr observes ... interested in looking at/into it?
1128708489 M * Hollow hm.. portage throws lock errors as well
1128708723 M * Bertl do you have a simple test case for me?
1128708825 M * Hollow i can give you access to the guest
1128709010 M * Bertl hmm, doesn't help me much, what really helps is a small tool and/or command sequence which fails on the guest
1128709109 M * Hollow hm..
1128709114 M * Greek0 Bertl: in theory yes. unfortunately I don't have too much time. especially next week I'll probably be offline completely..
1128709118 A * Greek0 shivers
1128709128 M * Hollow would an strace be helpful?
1128709244 M * Greek0 but I thought you nailed that problem already?
1128709919 M * Bertl Greek0: yeah, me too, but unfortunately it seems to persist ...
1128709928 M * Bertl Hollow: might give a hint!
1128710080 M * gndmstr Bertl ok its running on rc4
1128710113 M * Bertl 3.4? great!
1128710128 M * Bertl everything working fine so far?
1128710136 M * gndmstr 2.6.13.3-vs2.1.0-rc3.4
1128710140 M * gndmstr it all started well
1128710161 M * gndmstr when i shut the old one down i shut down the services within the radius to protect the database
1128710173 M * gndmstr and wheni shut down ns it timed out and took the radius server with it
1128710178 M * gndmstr left qmail
1128710179 M * gndmstr :)
1128710193 M * gndmstr which errored out and then traced.. will see what this new one brings
1128710205 M * Bertl *grml* 
1128710409 M * gndmstr ok well with no time on it everything stopped properly and restarted
1128710440 M * gndmstr qmail log is scrolling pretty fast so it should fill up the cache quickly
1128710678 M * Bertl ah, got that wrong, should start reading your messages :)
1128710692 M * Bertl (at least more carefully :)
1128710741 M * gndmstr what was i supposed to do
1128710768 M * Bertl no, it's fine, but I 'read' that the _new_ kernel crashed on the qmail guest
1128710785 M * gndmstr no
1128710798 M * gndmstr when i rebooted on the way down is when it did this
1128710809 M * gndmstr on the new kernel it didnt do anything yet wrong
1128710846 M * gndmstr just happy i shut the database down before i started shutting things down or else it may have corrupted again
1128711356 M * Hollow Bertl: http://phpfi.com/81403
1128712483 Q * dddd44 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1128715648 M * gndmstr have some things i have to do, so when i get back in about an hour or so, it should have gotten itself into trouble and ill try a reboot then
1128717987 J * starlein ~starlein@p54BD6639.dip.t-dialin.net
1128718116 M * starlein hi
1128718174 M * starlein got a small error during util-vserver installation and don't find any solution for it. don't even google knows
1128718183 M * starlein serv06 ~ # setattr --barrier /var/lib/vservers/
1128718184 M * starlein /var/lib/vservers/: Function not implemented
1128718245 M * starlein kernel is 2.6.13.3 with vserver module and filesystem extended attributes. someone got a small hint?
1128718814 Q * Nicoli Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128719309 J * Nicoli ask@208.53.159.170
1128719467 M * gndmstr starlein: make sure your vserver section in your kernel config has this
1128719469 M * gndmstr [*] Enable COW Immutable Link Breaking
1128719521 M * gndmstr also what file system is your guests on? if its reiserfs you need to add attrs to the options in fstab
1128719791 Q * Nicoli Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128719911 Q * Sonarman_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128720184 J * Sonarman ~cleetus@adsl-67-113-235-31.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net
1128720187 M * starlein allright i got it now
1128720197 M * starlein i was using the standard vserver patches within 2.6.13.3
1128720203 M * starlein i think these are old
1128720213 M * starlein i was patching now with 2.0.1-rc3
1128720228 M * starlein its still compiling
1128720287 M * starlein is this rc3 kinda stable?
1128720306 M * starlein or better avoid 2.0.1 and downgrade
1128720671 M * mnemoc 2.0.1-rc3??
1128720682 M * gndmstr i believe so hold on
1128720699 M * mnemoc 2.0.1-pre2 vs. 2.1.0-rc3
1128720759 M * gndmstr not positive about 2.01 ive been using the 2.1.0 series and its been stable for me.. the problems im having are related to an obscure kernel bug that has been in all of them since forever but is brought out more by certain hw platforms under vserver
1128720776 M * gndmstr im using the 2.6.13.3 kernel
1128720785 M * gndmstr vanilla
1128720843 M * mnemoc i have 2.0.1-pre2 downdated patch for 2.6.11.12 if you want it
1128720859 M * gndmstr Bertl: with 1gb ram, or with vservers in general, should i have this enabled in the kernel? : [*] Allocate 3rd-level pagetables from highmem  
1128720863 M * gndmstr for gentoo?
1128720890 M * mnemoc no idea how altered gentoo linux kernel is
1128720892 M * gndmstr im using the 13.3 kernel
1128720900 M * gndmstr not using gentoo kernel. too patched for me
1128720912 M * gndmstr using vanilla 2.6.13.3 kernel from kernel.org
1128720937 M * gndmstr with the 2.1.0-rc3 vserver patch
1128720960 M * mnemoc as you said 'an obscure kernel bug' i just offered you a patch for another kernel which could not have that bug
1128720986 M * mnemoc but of course, using bleeding edge is cool ;)
1128720996 M * mnemoc bleeding, but cool
1128721022 M * gndmstr from what i hear that kernel had it too
1128721029 M * gndmstr its been in all of the 2.6 series
1128721063 M * mnemoc linux stable tree :\
1128721068 M * gndmstr but it only shows up on certain platforms under certain conditions which lucky me i just happen to have.. i have the same kernel running on several other similar servers but not quite the same hard ware and its blowing up
1128721108 M * gndmstr never showed up till it started handling vserver code... i thinik it has to do with a race condition when handling some kind of context switching
1128721116 M * gndmstr im not an inside the kernel kinda person :D
1128721136 M * gndmstr but it doesnt act up on my other dual proc machines
1128721141 M * gndmstr same code versions
1128721144 M * gndmstr only on that one machine
1128721168 M * gndmstr Bertl says that bug has been there since forever
1128721203 M * mnemoc and what kernel people say?
1128721219 M * gndmstr even tho its a production machine we are using it as a test bed for Bertl to fix this or something.. the machine is destined for retirement in a few weeks anyway
1128721225 M * gndmstr havent even talked to them
1128721240 M * gndmstr waiting till Bertl comes up with a definite as to what and where it is and why
1128721269 M * gndmstr im building the os on the big machine now that all this stuff will be moved to
1128721287 M * gndmstr actually reinstalled to. im doingn new installs of every guest on this one
1128721338 M * gndmstr then this other machine will remain for another week or 2 before being pulled so it will give Bertl time to mess with it just as a test bed 
1128721400 M * gndmstr wont touch any of the services on it  since certain ones can make it mess up every time, and just change the ips to get them outta production space is all
1128721513 M * gndmstr Bertl: i have a report for ya! :)
1128721586 M * mnemoc *g*
1128721637 M * gndmstr after running for 3 hrs to fill the cache and get the system busy with data, i shut them down in the same order as before this tiime i took a chance in not stopping radius first, and it all shut down perfectly, nothing left over anywhere and it rebooted perfectly .. next test like that will be tomorrow am after 12 hrs of running
1128721699 M * gndmstr nothing even grumbled about anything
1128721763 J * lilo_ ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1128721780 J * Aiken ~james@tooax8-016.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1128721817 M * gndmstr morning Aiken
1128721819 M * starlein sorry i meant patched with 2.1.0rc3
1128721828 M * starlein hope it's stable, will check it out with some heavy loaded webserver
1128721842 M * Aiken good morning gndmstr
1128721883 M * gndmstr far as i know it should be good. ive never had a bit of trouble with it running on any of my machines even this one bad one.. only this one gives me stopping problems and kernel traces
1128721913 M * gndmstr i even have it running on this workstation im using
1128721922 M * starlein okay sounds good, i'm going to use that on my boxes too
1128721927 M * gndmstr just so if i ever need a guest experiment i can create one easily
1128721958 M * starlein so far i was working with 1.2.x series 
1128721984 M * gndmstr im trying to figure out how to get Xvnc to load kdm and kde headlessly with no Xorg running
1128721985 M * starlein well great, setattr --barrier also works now
1128721987 M * gndmstr fun time
1128722033 M * gndmstr ahh i havent been running vservers that long but i do know the 2.x series is great and feature rich
1128722033 M * starlein xvnc is easy to use, also using it but only on host: xvnc --display :0 :D
1128722034 M * gndmstr cool
1128722057 M * gndmstr see i have one machine dedicated to remote desktop usage only
1128722081 M * gndmstr i want to run that as a guest on my main workstation which means it cannot under any conditions touch the video device or its memory
1128722114 M * gndmstr if it wasnt needed i would just get rid of it.. wasting a whole machine that is used maybe 3 or 4x a month
1128722137 M * gndmstr i can think if lots better uses to put the hardware to
1128722169 M * gndmstr so thats my problem. making sure that a remote desktop guest can never ever touch my main video under any circumstances
1128722186 M * starlein yeah there are certain complex scenarios possible with vs
1128722197 M * gndmstr not sure of the implications but i was toying with the idea of tossing a cheap vid card in for that to use to simplify things
1128722201 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128722214 M * gndmstr but i prefer to get it running without X at all for the tty.. not needed
1128722250 M * gndmstr problem is i dont think there is any spare space, my geforce probably uses all available vid address resources
1128722294 M * gndmstr if i can do that, ill put it as a guest on this machine in a heartbeat
1128722374 M * gndmstr its sole purpose is for our router tech to log in and get to areas of our network she doesnt have native access to since they are on a pvtnet leg. since my pipe is a part of the network although remote, i have access so when she needs to she logs into the remote desktop machine
1128722442 J * tchan1 ~tchan@c-67-174-18-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net
1128722528 M * gndmstr jeeze emerge system takes a long time to compile.. even on the big machine.. been running about 2 hrs now
1128722562 P * stefani I'm Parting (the water)
1128723087 M * Aiken gndmstr why not just start Xvnc and configure kdm to send a login box to that X?
1128723140 M * gndmstr id have to figure out how to do that running under xinetd.. xvnc loads from that so each user gets their own desktop in a multi user environment
1128723154 M * gndmstr not sure how to accomplish that keeping xvnc running all the time
1128723167 M * gndmstr will ahve to read the docs on the real vnc site
1128723168 M * gndmstr :)
1128723233 M * Aiken I would try using inittab to keep Xvnc running
1128723301 M * gndmstr but then wouldnt each of us get the other's sessions?
1128723322 M * gndmstr we dont share a common desktop
1128723332 M * gndmstr each has his own and can run simultaneously
1128723343 M * Aiken forget what i said, I was thinking host machine
1128723383 M * gndmstr according to what i have read so far, messages in their list say it can be done but no one says how :)
1128723417 M * Aiken a single watchdog script in the guest?
1128723431 M * Aiken check it Xvnc running, if stopped then restart, sleep 10, repeat
1128723462 M * gndmstr but doesnt xvnc need to run uniquely for each of us logged into that machine simultaneously?
1128723492 M * gndmstr the way xinetd works is it spawns a unique process for each of us and we can select our own resolution that way too
1128723517 M * gndmstr she uses 800x600, i use 1280x1024, jon uses 1024x768
1128723550 M * Aiken have not thought of using any of the inetd family to try starting it
1128723564 M * gndmstr works like a champ
1128723585 M * gndmstr you can choose any of 8 different resolutions ive predefined by different ports
1128723605 M * gndmstr and all 3 of us can be on it simultaneously with our own style desktops independently of the others
1128723706 M * gndmstr here are the instructions how to do it
1128723728 M * gndmstr when i installed xorg it broke and i had to go to real vnc 4.1.1 to make it work again
1128723748 M * Aiken are you all on linux or unix boxes?
1128723756 M * Aiken another thought is to run Xnest locally
1128723768 M * gndmstr linux
1128723770 M * Aiken is faster than vnc
1128723784 M * gndmstr but xnest doesnt work for remote i dont believe
1128723793 M * Aiken ?
1128723802 M * gndmstr also xnest would be for the workstation its running on
1128723809 M * gndmstr there is no kybd or monitor on that workstation
1128723814 M * Aiken do you changed machines?
1128723816 M * gndmstr i load it into a window on this desktop
1128723844 M * gndmstr different machine
1128723881 M * gndmstr that way laura can be in it from finland, i can be in it wherever i am if i have iptables set up for that place, and the boss can be in it from michigan
1128723989 M * Aiken oh well. I went through a bit of this recently and as machine - people was fixed I settled on no X and have kdm configured for all the clients
1128724007 M * Aiken on the clients either just start X with no window manager or start Xnest
1128724023 M * gndmstr how did you get xvnc to run kdm without X
1128724036 M * Aiken in my case I am running kde local and if I start Xnest :11 I get a login from the other computer
1128724043 M * gndmstr ahh
1128724045 M * gndmstr ok
1128724106 Q * tchan1 Quit: WeeChat 0.1.5
1128724116 M * Aiken I just setup kdm not to start a local X
1128724140 M * Aiken older kde uses Xservers - remove any reference to a local X
1128724170 N * lilo_ lilo
1128724180 M * Aiken the newer kde uses kdmrc and I think all I removed was the :0 reference in the StaticServers line
1128724190 M * gndmstr when i get time after im done moving all the guests onto this big machine, im gonna tackle this because i really want it on this machine as a guest.
1128724199 M * gndmstr hmm ok making copies of what you jus tsaid to look
1128724236 M * Aiken the kdm I am talking about is running in a guest on a 2.4.30 vserver system
1128724277 M * gndmstr it would here too. the entire guest would be totally self contained.. it just cannot under any conditions access the host video system
1128724310 M * gndmstr would be simple if i could find a dummy device driver for a dummy vid card
1128724319 M * Aiken one of the clients for that kdm is a winme machine running cygwin + X
1128724348 J * mrec ~revenger@p54B02BE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1128724436 M * gndmstr :)
1128724443 M * Aiken checked on another machine, just removing the :0 reference from the StaticServers line in kdmrc stops the local X from starting
1128724461 M * Aiken but still waits for any of the other remote X to respond
1128724507 M * gndmstr interesting:)
1128724516 M * gndmstr will try that later..
1128724541 M * gndmstr if thats the case then  i can run it headless for a bit, and if that works ok, then i can put it on this machine as a guest
1128724546 Q * mrec_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128725025 M * gndmstr which means then i dont have to start xdm at all on boot
1128725037 M * gndmstr or do i
1128725116 Q * starlein Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128725171 M * gndmstr but then how does xvnc start kdm and by extension kde which i believe kdm starts... so i have to find out how every copy of xvnc that gets spawned will run kdm.
1128725203 M * Aiken there is also XDMP
1128725223 M * gndmstr thats port 177 right
1128725228 M * Aiken yes
1128725232 M * gndmstr thats what this setup uses
1128725235 M * gndmstr its enabled
1128725263 M * gndmstr i followed that how-to exactly except i ran realvnc instead of tight vnc
1128725551 M * Aiken not that xdmp is working for me -> XDMCP socket creation failed
1128725566 M * gndmstr hmm maybe it needs some capability
1128726125 J * stephenM ~steve@83.245.83.42
1128726126 M * stephenM hey all
1128726135 M * stephenM how do I get the vserver's IPs to show up in ifconfig?
1128726146 M * mnemoc stephenM: use iproute2
1128726147 M * stephenM because cpanel uses ifconfig to find the system's ips, it gets upset when it doesn't return anything
1128726158 M * mnemoc :\
1128726166 M * stephenM mnemoc: is there a way to get ifconfig to display the IPs? because CPaenl depends oni t
1128726168 M * stephenM on it*
1128726183 M * mnemoc in your case i would use an ifconfig 'faker'
1128726200 M * mnemoc iirc there is a perfect clon on cpan
1128726203 M * mnemoc clone*
1128726248 M * stephenM do you have a link pls?
1128726310 M * mnemoc nope :\
1128726361 M * daniel_hozac just modify CPanel to use ip instead.
1128726375 M * stephenM daniel_hozac: how?
1128726414 M * daniel_hozac i wouldn't know, i've never seen CPanel.
1128726463 M * mnemoc grep ifconfig -r cpanel-thing/
1128726522 M * mnemoc can't you ask cpanel support for iproute2?
1128726556 M * mnemoc ifconfig was deprecated around.... 7 years ago?
1128726643 M * stephenM hehe I've tricked it by removing ifconfig and just printing the server's IPs in its place :P
1128726653 M * mnemoc :p
1128726705 M * stephenM is it possible to use quotas within a vserver?
1128726765 M * daniel_hozac yes, but only if you have separate devices for each guest.
1128726780 M * mnemoc long life to lvm :D
1128726803 M * stephenM hmm also - BIND doesn't work within the vserver
1128726813 M * stephenM  named: capset failed: Operation not permitted
1128726816 M * stephenM any ideas?
1128726835 M * mnemoc stephenM: it's a highly known bug of BIND crap
1128726840 M * daniel_hozac recompile BIND or give the guest CAP_SYS_RESOURCE.
1128726853 M * stephenM daniel_hozac: how do I give it CAP_SYS_RESOURCE?
1128726864 M * mnemoc uhm
1128726887 M * mnemoc it's safer to give --disable-linux-caps to bind's configure script
1128726896 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
1128726900 M * daniel_hozac or patch it ;)
1128726902 M * stephenM I can't recompile bind with cpanel because it's a package
1128726917 M * Aiken I compiled bind with --disable-linux-caps
1128726932 M * stephenM how do I add CAP_SYS_RESOURCE to the vserver?
1128726953 M * daniel_hozac echo "CAP_SYS_RESOURCE" >> /etc/vservers/<guest>/bcapabilities
1128727064 A * mnemoc kiss his tinydns
1128727266 Q * stephenM Quit: 
1128728849 M * Bertl *phew* I'm back again ... did anybody miss me? :)
1128728865 M * gndmstr of course:)
1128728901 M * gndmstr actually we spent a good part discussing off topic subjects
1128728904 M * gndmstr well, not really
1128728915 M * gndmstr the intended use would be for a guest if it could be made to work
1128728957 M * Bertl ah, I see, will read that up now ...
1128729507 A * Bertl .o( hmm this isn't english, is it? )
1128729528 M * Bertl what about: ah, I'see, I'll read up on that now .. :)
1128729550 M * Bertl anyway read it ... interesting stuff ...
1128729572 M * Bertl so more and more folks try to use X/vnc/whatever inside guests?
1128729577 M * gndmstr yeah.. im hoping to find a dummy driver for x that would simplify things
1128729587 M * gndmstr im hearing that yes