1128297601 M * ^WinZiP they get discouns and stuff.
1128297608 M * daniel_hozac or forced by contracts and similar.
1128297612 M * Johnsie And a software company who mainstreams and buys off companies to use their software and design hardware around it doesn't mean that their OS is better.
1128297612 M * ^WinZiP Lindows tried to make it better
1128297613 M * douglas Ok lets put it this way,  General public giving the choice would choose windows over linux.
1128297619 M * ^WinZiP anyone used Lindows?
1128297638 M * douglas because windows is by far easier to use. 
1128297651 M * daniel_hozac because Microsoft's PR department has a far larger budget than any Linux vendor.
1128297654 M * douglas but hey I'm happy, that keeps me employed.
1128297656 M * Johnsie Again, my point is, that doesn't make it better.
1128297663 M * ^WinZiP its aint better
1128297666 M * ^WinZiP its easyer :)
1128297678 M * ^WinZiP Linux can do the same, and many more.
1128297685 M * ^WinZiP but - in the hard way.
1128297688 M * daniel_hozac i find Linux a lot easier to use.
1128297692 M * Johnsie So do I.
1128297700 M * douglas daniel that doesn't make microsoft product easier to use. it makes the product well known.  Such as the difference between GE appliance and whirlpool appliances.
1128297701 M * Johnsie My system isn't bloated with crap.
1128297703 M * daniel_hozac Windows always confused the hell out of me.
1128297711 M * ^WinZiP you guyz realy need the motorola phone with linux os lol
1128297768 M * daniel_hozac douglas: right, name recognition is everything when it comes to choosing a product without looking.
1128297789 M * daniel_hozac and after that, it's habit.
1128297799 M * douglas not always the case. I know about virtuozzo before I even heard about vserver.
1128297823 M * douglas and I knew about uml before vserver as well
1128297846 M * ^WinZiP http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6429395080.html
1128297847 M * ^WinZiP I WANT IT
1128297882 M * ^WinZiP but imaging
1128297884 M * daniel_hozac douglas: but then you looked, and found vserver.
1128297889 M * ^WinZiP going on the street, talking on the phone
1128297894 M * ^WinZiP suddenly: KERNEL PANIC
1128297895 M * ^WinZiP lol
1128297918 M * douglas daniel correct, name reconigtion didn't play a part
1128297926 M * douglas otherwise I would have used uml or virtuozzo.
1128297927 M * daniel_hozac douglas: because you looked.
1128297934 M * douglas right.
1128297937 M * douglas people know about linux
1128297942 M * douglas its not like it came out yesterday
1128297946 M * daniel_hozac what people?
1128297959 M * douglas people who don't use aol as there isp :)
1128298014 M * daniel_hozac if you'd ask every customer at your local computer store, i bet that 90% of them wouldn't know about Linux.
1128298027 M * douglas I disagree.
1128298044 M * ^WinZiP Daniel
1128298048 M * douglas maybe 30% wouldn't know about linux. and thats being very liberal
1128298050 M * daniel_hozac at uni, most of the students hadn't heard of Linux.
1128298051 M * ^WinZiP sometimes even the shop owner doesnt know lol
1128298057 M * douglas uni?
1128298060 M * douglas university?
1128298068 M * daniel_hozac and this is the Computer and Systems Science dept.
1128298073 M * ^WinZiP Linux is widely used by students here
1128298099 M * ^WinZiP even the college website based linux
1128298119 M * ^WinZiP CC drivers/char/drm/drm_bufs.o
1128298121 M * ^WinZiP still waiting
1128298122 M * ^WinZiP ..
1128298124 M * douglas what college are you going to? I'll mark it off my list lol cuz at the collegues I have visited and plan to attend all know about linux. they have linux freakin lugs just for the colleges
1128298137 M * ^WinZiP lol heh
1128298144 M * ^WinZiP our students like linux a lot
1128298145 M * daniel_hozac all the boxes at uni have Linux installed.
1128298148 M * ^WinZiP use it at laptop at home
1128298150 M * ^WinZiP at University
1128298170 M * ^WinZiP some even got linux based devices.
1128298173 M * ^WinZiP handhelds
1128298174 M * douglas I dunno its a debatable question to be honest. I find that windows is much easier to use then Xwindows if I want a gui.
1128298182 M * ^WinZiP douglas i agree
1128298184 M * mnemoc no public computer at my university has linux or unix
1128298191 M * daniel_hozac X Windows is not a GUI.
1128298199 M * douglas correct
1128298204 M * douglas its crap
1128298208 M * ^WinZiP kde is crap
1128298209 M * douglas :)
1128298209 M * ^WinZiP gnome is crap
1128298211 M * ^WinZiP i dont like it.
1128298214 M * mnemoc xfce
1128298220 M * daniel_hozac is superb!
1128298228 M * ^WinZiP xfce? never tired that before.
1128298231 M * douglas although I'm a console person, I like command line.
1128298256 M * mnemoc but e17 seems to be more for you ^WinZiP 
1128298277 M * ^WinZiP what it is?
1128298280 M * ^WinZiP a window manager?
1128298295 M * Johnsie xfce ... heh
1128298299 M * Johnsie That's really roughin' it.
1128298302 M * douglas anyway
1128298313 M * Johnsie twm :)
1128298318 M * ^WinZiP everyone is diffrent.
1128298320 M * ^WinZiP you see?
1128298321 M * douglas we can get back to vserver
1128298324 M * douglas heh
1128298339 M * ^WinZiP douglas
1128298341 M * ^WinZiP still compiling
1128298341 M * ^WinZiP CC [M] drivers/char/watchdog/softdog.o
1128298345 M * douglas yea
1128298347 M * douglas vmware sucks
1128298352 M * douglas good luck not borking your box.
1128298354 M * douglas :)
1128298356 M * ^WinZiP heh
1128298357 M * ^WinZiP let
1128298357 M * ^WinZiP s
1128298360 M * ^WinZiP see temprature.
1128298366 M * ^WinZiP http://www.actserv.net/server/
1128298368 M * mnemoc i would like to make a desktop distribution with vserver on top
1128298385 M * ^WinZiP 40c
1128298386 M * ^WinZiP not bad.
1128298412 M * ^WinZiP while runing vmware.
1128298413 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: and have a separate vserver for each program! :P
1128298419 M * ^WinZiP lol you frekas.
1128298445 M * Johnsie I thought about that... Tool Linux
1128298451 M * Johnsie Make the host almost inaccessable...
1128298458 M * Johnsie And setup VPSes.
1128298459 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: nah.... to impose security... like dansguardian, etc... even giving root to let them install things :)
1128298476 M * ^WinZiP i would like to see
1128298478 M * Johnsie So if you become an idiot and crash it, you just dump the old image and make a new one.
1128298480 M * ^WinZiP "Vserver GUI"
1128298481 M * ^WinZiP full GUI
1128298493 M * Johnsie ^WinZiP: Try Windows. :)
1128298495 M * daniel_hozac Johnsie: Bertl was talking about something similar.
1128298496 M * ^WinZiP with networking support, vserver creation.
1128298509 M * ^WinZiP Web gui i mean john
1128298515 M * ^WinZiP like Virtuzzo or Vmware.
1128298522 M * Johnsie What's wrong with the CLI?
1128298530 M * daniel_hozac Johnsie: a distribution with just enough to run vservers.
1128298531 M * ^WinZiP its not for heavy production massive usage.
1128298534 M * mnemoc cli is not good for lazy people
1128298549 M * Johnsie ^WinZiP: What?
1128298556 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: CLI is great for lazy people.
1128298563 M * daniel_hozac i automate every single command ;)
1128298572 M * ^WinZiP Johnsie, i cannot use cli while 20 users are waiting their orderd system will be installed.
1128298573 M * mnemoc :)
1128298577 M * ^WinZiP i need it instant, with a click of a button.
1128298581 M * Johnsie ^WinZiP: Why not?
1128298590 M * ^WinZiP cuz they are mad, they want VPS NOW
1128298593 M * ^WinZiP those are clients.
1128298596 M * Johnsie Not mine.
1128298598 M * daniel_hozac how slow do you type?
1128298600 M * mnemoc ^WinZiP: code that interface an contribute it
1128298611 M * ^WinZiP i talked with my php developer
1128298617 M * ^WinZiP he will try to start and working on it.
1128298620 M * Johnsie They'd rather wait and have it right than have some half-assed job.
1128298628 M * ^WinZiP John
1128298638 M * ^WinZiP take a look at UML Based servers : http://www.linode.com
1128298643 M * ^WinZiP look at that wonderful gui.
1128298651 M * Johnsie I don
1128298652 M * Johnsie err
1128298653 M * mnemoc uml base servers is stupid
1128298656 M * Johnsie I don't care about a GUI. :)
1128298661 M * mnemoc what a waste of resources
1128298664 M * ^WinZiP maybe stupid
1128298667 M * ^WinZiP but got gui :D
1128298667 M * Johnsie As I said, I'd rather do it right than be fast and lazy.
1128298672 M * Johnsie Then make one. ;)
1128298677 M * ^WinZiP wich is fast, you can install systems on the fly
1128298684 M * Johnsie 95% of us have no problem navigating around the GUI.
1128298684 M * ^WinZiP Reconfigure it , Reinstall it.
1128298698 M * Johnsie Yeah, you can do that with the VServer stuff too.
1128298712 M * ^WinZiP i know you can, but in order to do so , we must develope the interface.
1128298712 M * Johnsie Takes me but only a few moments to change the configuration files in vi or nano.
1128298713 M * Johnsie :)
1128298724 M * Johnsie That, my friend, is my GUI. ;)
1128298734 M * ^WinZiP yours but not mine heh
1128298736 M * daniel_hozac that's a TUI ;)
1128298738 M * ^WinZiP damn
1128298743 M * ^WinZiP there is webmin module for everything
1128298747 M * ^WinZiP just not Vserver
1128298749 M * Johnsie Well, yes, daniel_hozac. :)
1128298761 M * Johnsie haha ... Webmin
1128298776 M * ^WinZiP Johnsie: cli is time consuiming.
1128298785 M * ^WinZiP when you are in the busniess world, you dont have time. time = money.
1128298788 M * daniel_hozac studies say otherwise.
1128298792 M * Johnsie Only if you don't know what you're doing.
1128298792 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: Console User Interface, CUI
1128298809 M * Johnsie ^WinZiP: I am in the business world.
1128298820 M * ^WinZiP do you have time for all those stuff
1128298820 M * Johnsie And all of my administrative work is done on the CLI.
1128298824 M * Johnsie I sure do.
1128298827 M * ^WinZiP me too
1128298829 M * mnemoc i have some helpers in dialog
1128298832 M * ^WinZiP but not in such things.
1128298846 M * Johnsie What are you doing on IRC then?
1128298847 M * Johnsie haha
1128298848 M * ^WinZiP VPS should be created fast and easly, with a click of a button.
1128298854 M * Johnsie I disagree.
1128298879 M * ^WinZiP well, disagreemnt is good sometimes :)
1128298899 M * Johnsie It takes me but only a thirty or seconds to type out the command to make the vserver configurations, directories, etc., then untar my guest image.
1128298912 M * ^WinZiP how much time do you use vserver?
1128298924 M * Johnsie And really, one could write a shell script to do it faster than that.
1128298935 M * ^WinZiP even shell script will be great
1128298935 M * Johnsie haha
1128298941 M * Johnsie I don't clock my time.
1128298944 M * ^WinZiP but there is no such thing avialable.
1128298963 M * ^WinZiP how long do u use vserver, month , 6 month ' year?
1128298966 M * Johnsie What's not available?
1128298969 M * Johnsie Over six months.
1128298976 M * ^WinZiP you are alredy know what you are doing
1128298984 M * ^WinZiP you went over all the documents, asked questions.
1128298984 M * Johnsie That's my point.
1128298989 M * ^WinZiP im n00b at vserver.
1128298993 M * Johnsie Exactly.
1128299006 M * ^WinZiP i installed it, used it, but have failed setting up a networking becuase of lack understandable documenation.
1128299017 M * Johnsie http://www.linux-vserver.org/
1128299027 M * daniel_hozac even vserver - build --help would tell you that.
1128299042 M * ^WinZiP well, i used it last time 7-8 months ago
1128299046 M * Johnsie daniel_hozac: But it's not point-and-click. ;)
1128299061 M * ^WinZiP CC [M] drivers/isdn/hisax/telespci.o
1128299065 M * ^WinZiP vmware is truly am suck.
1128299107 M * mnemoc as most commercial apps
1128299175 M * ^WinZiP mnemoc, if so, why most of the mid busniess sites use Windows 2003 servers?
1128299183 M * ^WinZiP most of the Stremaing media servers, are Windows 2003.
1128299211 M * ^WinZiP shoutcast is still n.1 broadcasting software, but its not GPL.
1128299216 M * ^WinZiP or OpenSource.
1128299265 M * mnemoc because hardware is cheaper than good human resources
1128299279 M * ^WinZiP cheaper= good for busniess.
1128299284 M * Johnsie LOL
1128299301 M * Johnsie I disagree.
1128299319 M * ^WinZiP it's good for busniess. go ahaed and see the internet busniess world
1128299323 M * ^WinZiP use Exchange, 2003 stuff
1128299325 M * ^WinZiP Office.
1128299332 M * Johnsie Trust me, I've been in it a good while. :)
1128299351 M * daniel_hozac if cheaper is better, then why buy MS Office when you could get OO.org for free?
1128299367 M * ^WinZiP the new beta version is great
1128299370 M * Johnsie Not only that... I can get a bunch of free 486 PCs...
1128299374 M * ^WinZiP but to be honest, i still like office better.
1128299386 M * Johnsie Maybe I should replace the ones in my office with those when they become outdated since they're cheaper?
1128299393 M * ^WinZiP no no
1128299401 M * ^WinZiP i dont talk about hardware
1128299414 M * ^WinZiP hardware must be good in order to get High quality service.
1128299423 M * Johnsie So must the software.
1128299432 M * daniel_hozac 486s are generally very reliable.
1128299435 M * ^WinZiP it seems windows is pretty secuessfull.
1128299441 M * ^WinZiP yes but very weak
1128299459 M * ^WinZiP you cant compile stuff or serve hounderds of mysql query's that fast with it.
1128299476 M * daniel_hozac why would you be compiling stuff on your production boxes?
1128299484 M * ^WinZiP why not?
1128299486 M * Johnsie daniel_hozac: It's cheaper. :)
1128299487 M * daniel_hozac certainly you do that in the test environment and then just move the packages over.
1128299491 M * mnemoc OO.org is far from being a good software
1128299500 M * ^WinZiP OO is nice.
1128299502 M * ^WinZiP very nice
1128299505 M * ^WinZiP test out the beta.
1128299526 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: but it's free!
1128299530 M * ^WinZiP still need to improve, but it's way better then OO 1.1
1128299552 M * Johnsie What's wrong with 1.1.5?
1128299556 M * ^WinZiP slow
1128299558 M * ^WinZiP ugly.
1128299570 M * Johnsie Who cares if it's ugly?
1128299573 M * ^WinZiP buggy.
1128299576 M * mnemoc it's a fat, pleanty of unneeded features commercial software made opensource
1128299577 M * ^WinZiP shutting down on you.
1128299588 M * Johnsie I've had no problems with it at all.
1128299600 M * ^WinZiP from some reason oo 1.1 on windows killed my machine everytime.
1128299606 M * ^WinZiP in 2.0 its ok.
1128299607 M * mnemoc i also use it, but it'snot a _good_ software
1128299628 M * ^WinZiP mnemoc
1128299630 M * ^WinZiP what do u use ?
1128299642 M * daniel_hozac i try to stay as far away from OO as possible.
1128299652 M * mnemoc ooo
1128299662 M * ^WinZiP what is OOO?
1128299668 M * mnemoc OpenOffice.Org
1128299673 M * Johnsie I don't use it much myself either, but it beats a stick in the eye.
1128299677 M * ^WinZiP but you say its not good.
1128299734 M * ^WinZiP 3:35 am and i still didnt completed vserver oh my god
1128299738 M * ^WinZiP this vmware suck
1128299753 M * Johnsie haha
1128299776 M * ^WinZiP i want to see it in action :)
1128300277 M * ^WinZiP *** roi Quit (Quit: MULEz SCRIPT: Fer sell cheep: IBM spel chekker. Wurks grate.)
1128300278 M * ^WinZiP lol
1128300757 J * Aiken_ ~james@tooax7-098.dialup.optusnet.com.au
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1128301882 M * gndmstr are there any defaults set to hard cpu limits? if i enable it in the kernel im not going to have to configure anything else if i don't wish to use it yet will i?
1128302643 M * daniel_hozac gndmstr: no.
1128302747 M * gndmstr ok cool thanks
1128302776 M * gndmstr figured i will use them eventually so set the kernel now
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1128313179 M * Bertl okay folks, I'm off to bed now ... have a nice one, and cya later ...
1128313186 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1128313186 M * douglas nite bertl
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1128321378 J * Millox ~mattias@shienar.csbnet.se
1128321386 M * Millox hello
1128321390 M * Millox anyone awake?
1128321475 M * Millox I'm having problems with vserver 2.0 and the latest util-vserver
1128321490 M * Millox when running testme.sh-script it says chbind: vc_set_ipv4root(): Function not implemented
1128321537 M * Millox and unfortunately none of the google-results is very helpful
1128321566 M * Millox i have enabled CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY in kernel and legacy api in util-vserver, but still no cigar
1128321627 M * Millox chcontext works, so the patch is in the kernel
1128321637 M * mnemoc on host right?
1128321651 M * Millox on host?
1128321656 M * mnemoc testme.sh
1128321670 M * Millox yes, on host
1128321685 M * Millox sorry, bit new to the mnemonics
1128321723 M * Millox I also tried the patch patch-0.30.208-fix02.diff.bz2 but that bombs out on compiling legacy api
1128321866 M * mnemoc :(
1128321897 J * Hollow|mobile ~Hollow@p5497BED1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1128321902 M * Millox that problem was also covered on google, but there was no solution as far as I could see
1128323343 M * Millox let me enlighten you: The use of CONFIG_VSERVER_LEGACY is obsolete, the new config option is: CONFIG_VSERVER_NGNET
1128323388 M * Millox sorry about that, didn't notice that option.. I only answered the default to all vserver-related stuff
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1128332558 J * marked ~d@62.220.130.177
1128332561 M * marked hi all
1128332569 M * marked anybody can help me ?
1128332574 M * marked testme.sh failed
1128332577 M * marked :(
1128332669 M * AndrewLee marked: Hi, what kernel version and which vserver patch do you use?
1128332677 M * marked 2.6.8
1128332690 M * marked ans server patch
1128332699 M * marked apt-get -t unstable 
1128332718 M * marked how can i know if i choose the right patch ?
1128332747 Q * prae Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128332829 M * marked # vserver test start
1128332829 M * marked vcontext: vc_create_context(): Function not implemented
1128332900 M * marked # apt-get -t unstable install kernel-patch-vserver 
1128332913 M * marked i have done thaht and recompiled the 2.6.8
1128333000 M * marked debian say its a 2.0
1128333016 M * marked unstable (devel): context switching virtual private servers - kernel patch 
1128333016 M * marked 2.0: all
1128333748 J * yarihm ~yarihm@84-74-18-28.dclient.hispeed.ch
1128333942 M * AndrewLee marked: WHat arch do you use?
1128333974 M * AndrewLee marked: There are several bugs have been filed in debian.
1128334044 M * AndrewLee marked: I haven't found a proper way to make vserver patch+tools from sid work on i386 yet. :(
1128334094 M * AndrewLee marked: You may have a look http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=util-vserver
1128334219 M * AndrewLee marked: I have made linux-source2.6.12 + kernel-patch-vserver from sid works, but did not pass the testme.sh on i386.
1128334285 M * AndrewLee marked: If you want to use vserver on i386, you may upgrade to 2.6.12 + the latest toolset
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1128336235 J * prae ~prae@ezoffice.mandriva.com
1128337613 M * marked oh ok
1128337632 M * marked does it works on 2.6.12
1128337634 M * marked ?
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1128338776 M * lonewolff afternoon all
1128338921 M * marked do u think itsa better to use a 2.4
1128338928 M * marked for prod purpose ?
1128338944 M * marked is there a possibility to use 2 tools on 2.4 ?
1128338950 M * marked the 2.0 tools
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1128340420 M * eyck I do think 2.4 is better for production use,
1128340449 M * SiD3WiNDR is there a reason why you think that?
1128340452 M * eyck  most people here will tell you that 2.6 is good enough, but usually they think that if firefox runs, then the kernel is ready.
1128340471 M * eyck SiD3WiNDR: yes
1128340478 M * SiD3WiNDR care to share it?
1128340506 M * eyck it's called 'experience', and it's not easily shareable.
1128340553 M * SiD3WiNDR okay. you sound like a grumpy old man with lots of scars. :p
1128340568 M * eyck well, I grew up pretty fast.
1128340576 M * eyck and I do have some scars, 
1128340590 M * eyck the nicest one I brought back from Ukraininan mountains,
1128340596 M * eyck eeh, that was fun
1128340628 M * eyck Ukrainian even
1128342190 M * marked because the 2.4 is on the stable in debian
1128342211 M * marked i know that debian is not very fast to update
1128342218 M * marked but its why its so stable
1128342240 M * marked the 2.0 tools are really better than the 1.9 ?
1128342275 J * vip-vs ~vince@wc-178.r-195-85-188.essentkabel.com
1128342282 M * vip-vs hi folks!
1128342416 M * SiD3WiNDR marked: 2.6 is also on the stable in debian
1128342438 M * SiD3WiNDR marked: the tools are 0.30 btw
1128342632 M * marked euh oh
1128342636 M * marked and the partch ?
1128342639 M * marked patch
1128342737 M * SiD3WiNDR 1.9/2.0 are 2.6-only
1128342745 M * SiD3WiNDR 2.0 is just the more stable version of 1.9.x
1128342776 M * marked oh ok
1128343018 M * AndrewLee marked: the 2.4 kernel+patch in sarge has security problem.
1128343046 M * AndrewLee marked: Users may does chroot escape from a guest...
1128343229 M * eyck marked: it's just that 2.6 is really currect -dev tree of linux, since there is no 'stable' tree, 2.4 acts as one, 
1128343235 M * eyck marked: until 2.6 stabilises
1128343299 M * eyck which should be Real Soon Now.
1128343369 M * marked so its better to use 2.6
1128343386 M * marked but 2.6.12
1128343411 M * marked security prob is not good
1128343421 M * marked is it hard to exploit ?
1128343485 M * eyck yeah, it's better when everyone uses 2.6.x, because it shortens the time it will take until it reaches 2.4 stability/security
1128343682 M * marked wow so easy to exploit
1128343684 M * marked fuck
1128343692 M * marked i just exploit it
1128343694 M * marked pffff
1128343695 M * eyck yeah, 2.6 rox.
1128343751 M * SiD3WiNDR :
1128343751 M * SiD3WiNDR p
1128343832 M * marked so if u use 2.6
1128343835 M * marked on debian
1128343839 M * marked i need 2.6.12
1128343852 M * marked ans d/l the patches from 13thfloor ?
1128343861 M * marked its the best config ?
1128344434 M * vip-vs marked: I got a 'walk through' for debian 2.6.12 config vserver 2.0 wanna have?
1128344509 M * vip-vs all console commands in a list for getting vserver 2.0 to get to work with debian sarge 2.6.12-10 kernel
1128344783 M * marked oh yes
1128344785 M * marked plize
1128344872 M * vip-vs I'll try to put it in pastbin ..mom
1128344958 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1128345065 M * vip-vs http://pastebin.com/381525 .... it are alle console commands I used to install Vserver 2.0 on Debian Sarge ...  maybe it doesn't meet your demands ...but it will be a good guide...
1128345106 M * vip-vs install was done form a fresh 2.6.8 i386  debian sarge install
1128345180 M * marked ok cool thanx a lot
1128345447 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
1128347349 J * eXa_bOy ~a@c220-239-68-228.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au
1128347353 M * eXa_bOy howdy :)
1128347459 M * eXa_bOy im struggling to get my vserver created. im running debian (dur) :)
1128347558 M * daniel_hozac what's the problem?
1128347589 M * vip-vs marked: let me know how far you got..
1128347643 M * eXa_bOy im following this tutorial : http://lena.franken.de/linux/debian_and_vserver/vserver.html
1128347663 M * eXa_bOy ive installed everythign needed but its not liking the following command
1128347676 M * eXa_bOy apt-get install -t testing vserver
1128347694 M * eXa_bOy now ive been told that vserver has been replaced with util-vserver. 
1128347706 M * eXa_bOy so i take it that that tutorial is too old. :P
1128347708 M * eXa_bOy :(
1128347756 M * daniel_hozac http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6 is quite up to date.
1128347767 M * eXa_bOy OMG thankyou!!!
1128347789 M * vip-vs eXa_bOy: play around with my step-to-step semi guide:  http://pastebin.com/381525
1128347804 M * intrigeri eXa_bOy, for Debian : http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver+on+sarge
1128347823 M * vip-vs well ... he should be busy for a while :)
1128347839 M * eXa_bOy wow thanks so much guys!
1128347849 M * eXa_bOy vserver as good as jails in bsd?
1128347872 M * Blissex eXa_bOy: about -- a bit different.
1128347894 M * eXa_bOy does it have resource limiting?
1128347910 M * eXa_bOy ie RAM and CPU
1128347915 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1128347918 M * eXa_bOy WHOOT!
1128347922 M * eXa_bOy thanks...
1128347930 A * eXa_bOy starts his reading...
1128347938 Q * TheSeer Quit: Client exiting
1128347975 M * eXa_bOy im excited as oyu can tell.
1128347978 M * vip-vs Can anyone explain me what context I should use when building the 2nd vserver guest ? 42 is already taken ... normally I do a countdown (ie 41), but is that a good idea?
1128348000 M * vip-vs s/context I/context ID/
1128348033 M * vip-vs s/context I/context ID I/ :D
1128348127 M * daniel_hozac you can use whatever ID you want that is within the allowable range (2-49151)
1128348285 M * eXa_bOy damn linux source is taking its time :P
1128348295 M * eXa_bOy 43 minutes :(
1128348359 M * vip-vs daniel_hozac: does the ID have any meaning? like priority?
1128348429 M * intrigeri vip-vs, I don't think so
1128348432 M * eXa_bOy an uneducated guess, i would say no, 
1128348936 M * marked vip-vs: im not so far
1128348951 M * marked but i will tell u
1128348952 M * Johnsie As far as I know, the context is just a tag, really.
1128348963 M * Johnsie Just used as a means to identify and separate.
1128349049 M * marked vip-vs: u dont reboot after the :dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2.6.12.4-vs2.0_vserver.1.0_i386.deb
1128349050 M * marked ?
1128349531 J * hvd ~takeagues@fw-grz.hollomey.com
1128349556 J * hippo ~trh45gwer@57.66.77.129
1128351185 M * marked vip-vs: i have an error with checkinstall
1128351198 M * marked dpkg: error processing util-vserver-0.30.208_0.30.208-02-1_i386.deb (--install):
1128351198 M * marked  trying to overwrite `/etc/init.d/rebootmgr', which is also in package util-vserver
1128351198 M * marked Errors were encountered while processing:
1128351198 M * marked  util-vserver-0.30.208_0.30.208-02-1_i386.deb
1128351198 M * marked test-vs:~/util-vserver-0.30.208# dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
1128351246 M * marked mmmh ok sorry
1128351255 M * marked i removed my util-vserver
1128351312 Q * monrad Quit: Leaving
1128351620 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1128351624 M * Bertl morning folks!
1128351892 Q * Blissex Read error: Connection reset by peer
1128352095 M * vip-vs marked: yes ... your looking het some notes during install ... I did the reboot..just didn't noted it :)
1128352125 M * Johnsie Bertl!
1128352133 M * vip-vs but...got to go! ..ltr folks!
1128352151 M * Johnsie Bertl: I have a question you might be able to answer...
1128352172 M * Johnsie I have a server sitting 2000 miles away that has RHEL 4 on it...and I want to convert it to Gentoo.
1128352190 M * Johnsie What I'd like to do is put Gentoo (non-vserver) on the second HDD and boot to that...
1128352216 M * Johnsie And then would I be able to safely blow away the contents of the first drive that have GRUB on it, etc., repartition with fdisk and go from there?
1128352247 M * Johnsie Or does the system need to reboot for fdisk to commit changes?
1128352257 M * Johnsie Which, of course, would render it unusable...
1128352289 M * Johnsie Or...
1128352320 Q * vip-vs Remote host closed the connection
1128352332 M * Johnsie Can I make the second drive bootable, provided that the HD controller will move to it?
1128352340 M * Bertl Johnsie: check the remote repartitioning howto ...
1128352349 M * Johnsie Oh, there is one?
1128352354 M * Johnsie You genius.
1128352359 M * Johnsie I knew you'd have an answer.
1128352369 M * Johnsie Can I rent you? LOL!
1128352370 M * Bertl yeah, it's not perfect but it gives you an idea
1128352395 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Remote+Server+Repartitioning
1128352422 M * Johnsie Thank you.
1128352446 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1128352491 M * Johnsie And you suggest ext3 over reiserfs, right?
1128352511 M * Bertl personally yes, but that's up to you ...
1128352521 M * Johnsie Okay.
1128352523 M * Johnsie Let me ask this...
1128352529 M * Johnsie Are there any known caveats?
1128352539 M * Johnsie Does ReiserFS have a history?
1128352549 M * Johnsie I know we discussed this a few months back, but I wonder if things have improved?
1128352592 M * Bertl reiserfs has had many issues over time ... race condition, silent data loss ...
1128352601 M * Johnsie Okay.
1128352616 M * Bertl of course, there are some folks who had absolutely no bad experiences ...
1128352623 M * Johnsie Okay.
1128352648 M * Johnsie Were their troubles specific to any release or kernel version or distribution?
1128352743 M * Johnsie I'm just curious at this point.
1128352812 M * kevinp Howdy Bertl!
1128352857 M * Bertl Johnsie: not that I know of ... they were specific to certain reiserfs versions ...
1128352861 M * Bertl hey kevinp!
1128352896 M * Johnsie Oh okay.
1128352902 M * Johnsie Thank you, Bertl.
1128352905 M * Johnsie I appreciate the help!
1128352983 M * Bertl np, btw, I've heard some bad stuff about ext3 too .. so you have to relativate this ...
1128353074 M * Johnsie Okay.
1128353139 Q * hvd jupiter.oftc.net arion.oftc.net
1128353236 A * SiD3WiNDR happily migrated away all reiserfs crap my predecessor left over
1128353376 J * hvd ~takeagues@fw-grz.hollomey.com
1128353666 M * Bertl okay, dinnertime ... back in 30
1128353678 M * kevinp Bertl: I'm going to setup a new vserver host, which release should I go with?  Is 2.0.1-pre2 stable?
1128353699 M * mnemoc i'm using it on production with 7 vservers
1128353706 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1128353773 M * kevinp I don't see anything about that version in the changelog, what's new in it
1128353885 M * mnemoc kevinp: 2.0 + http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/FOR-2.0.1/
1128353995 Q * lilo Remote host closed the connection
1128354212 M * kevinp so basically bug fixes then?
1128354280 M * mnemoc 2 features (-feat01) and the the rest are fixes
1128354310 M * kevinp cool, I'll give it a try
1128354374 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1128354400 M * kevinp is that one better then the devel 2.1.0-rc2?
1128354571 Q * cryo Remote host closed the connection
1128354811 M * marked bye bye all
1128354814 M * marked thanx for all
1128354818 Q * marked Quit: 
1128354927 J * cryo ~say@gw.psoft.od.ua
1128354981 M * daniel_hozac kevinp: 2.1.0-rc2 is development.
1128355016 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: there are deltas from 2.0 to 2.1.0-rc2?
1128355060 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1128355078 M * mnemoc wb Bertl 
1128355083 M * Bertl tx
1128355095 M * Bertl kevinp: yes, 2.0.1 is a prerelease to the next stable
1128355115 M * mnemoc will rkill be at 2.0.1'
1128355116 M * mnemoc ?
1128355153 M * Bertl don't know yet, Hollow was talking something about not needing rkill at all (for gentoo) but maybe I got that wrong ...
1128355166 M * Hollow Bertl: perfectly right!
1128355211 M * Bertl so the question remains, is there any 'requirement' for that, right now? 
1128355225 M * Bertl mnemoc: does your setup 'need' it?
1128355231 M * mnemoc yes
1128355247 M * mnemoc runit gets at limbo on stop without it
1128355258 M * mnemoc due to -s INT instead of -s CONT
1128355295 M * Bertl what does it do on -s INT?
1128355320 M * mnemoc ctrl-alt-supr
1128355335 M * Bertl what about sending -s CONT from inside if that is triggered?
1128355370 M * mnemoc i'll try
1128355412 M * mnemoc ctrl-alt-del*
1128355416 M * mnemoc supr is spanish :p
1128355454 M * Bertl let's call it the three finger salute :)
1128355534 M * mnemoc *G*
1128356140 M * mnemoc did you look into unix sockets for /dev/console ?
1128356163 J * Hitapurran ~korn_arag@160.97.30.252
1128356413 Q * Hitapurran Remote host closed the connection
1128356836 N * fluor dentifrice
1128356894 M * Bertl mnemoc: yes, I did, but I still got no answer to my question (two? days ago)
1128356916 M * Bertl (which was) what happens if you copy over /dev/console into a guest?
1128356929 M * Bertl (an init based quest, that is)
1128356940 M * Bertl *guest
1128357013 M * mnemoc uhm
1128357047 M * mnemoc sharing /dev/console isn't a security/privacy problem?
1128357124 M * Bertl I'm not sure .. to me it looks like /dev/console (c,5,1) is for output only (target the currently selected consoles)
1128357150 M * Hollow if i put /dev/console in init based guests, my keyboard freezes
1128357169 M * Bertl ah, hmm .. interesting ...
1128357214 M * Hollow but the system is running fine... if you kill the guest keyboard is working again afaicr
1128357255 M * Hollow also init opens the console in read-write mode..
1128357262 M * Hollow at least the source says so
1128357620 M * Bertl does it write startup messages to the 'host' console?
1128357717 M * Hollow don't remember..
1128357744 M * Bertl okay, will investigate it further ...
1128357790 M * Hollow ok, i can help with debugging, but building stages atm, so i dont want to lose the last 5 hours of compiling.. ;)
1128357804 M * Bertl np
1128357834 M * Hollow btw, Johnsie generously donated access to a dual xeon box for gentoo vserver development :)
1128357847 M * Bertl hey great!
1128357850 M * Johnsie :)
1128357867 M * Bertl Hollow: hope we can share that for kernel testing too?
1128357893 M * Hollow think we shouldn't reboot it too often, right?
1128357902 M * Johnsie It's sort of a production box. :/
1128357914 M * Bertl ah, k ..
1128357929 M * Johnsie If we can schedule some things, etc., we might be okay.
1128357958 M * Johnsie It has nothing truly mission critical to go on it.
1128357964 M * Hollow think we'll use it more for the compile things... will be major speed up compared to athlon xp 2000 ;)
1128357975 M * Johnsie It hyperthreads too.
1128357979 M * Johnsie I forgot to mention that.
1128357996 M * Johnsie Our last one hyperthreaded... man, you'd open htop and would have four bars...much fun.
1128358006 M * Hollow heh
1128358020 M * Bertl ah, well, I have a good idea then, maybe we can set up a kernel cross compiling there?
1128358024 M * Johnsie And it was a Dual 2.8 GHz box.
1128358040 M * Bertl guess that would be interesting for gentoo too, no?
1128358056 M * Johnsie Hopefully it's beneficial to the entire project.
1128358059 M * Hollow well... gentoo users build their kernel manually.. at least they should :P
1128358066 M * Johnsie And when I get a pay raise, I'll give you guys your own toy.
1128358077 M * Bertl Hollow: yes, but you have to test it for all archs, no?
1128358094 M * Hollow test as is in compile-test?
1128358096 M * Bertl Hollow: or does gentoo leave the testing to the users :=
1128358115 M * Bertl yes, kernel test compiling, 20+ archs
1128358121 M * Hollow well, we have those lazy arch teams that test other archs
1128358143 M * Hollow i wouldn't even be permitted to add other keywords to the ebuilds tha x86
1128358172 M * Hollow but probably i'll be in the ppc team soon ;)
1128358173 M * Johnsie Maybe after January or February, I can donate a 64 bit server.
1128358175 M * Bertl well, so gentoo linux-vserver is x86 only?
1128358177 M * Hollow ordered an ibook 2 days ago
1128358287 J * Aiken ~james@tooax7-090.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1128358292 M * Hollow Bertl: i planned to get the other archs going after going stable with the latest changes, so x86 is working, we already have amd64 keywords on some ebuilds and a portage profile for vserver... so we'll not stay at x86 only ;)
1128358328 M * Hollow anyway, i've got nearly zero request ofr archs other than x86
1128358355 M * Johnsie Hmmm.
1128358377 M * Bertl Hollow: np
1128358393 M * Johnsie A lot of hosting providers, to my knowledge and observation, haven't been buying too many 64 bit systems yet.
1128358403 M * Johnsie Not to say all people go to a hosting provider...
1128358416 M * Hollow i'd like to support at least x86, amd64 and ppc in the nearer future..
1128358422 M * Johnsie But 64 bit popularity isn't too existant it seems.
1128358434 M * Bertl it will become in the near future
1128358438 M * mnemoc sempron will push it
1128358445 M * Bertl many providers I know already have x86_64 machines
1128358453 M * Johnsie Bertl: Awesome.
1128358478 M * Bertl it has a bunch of advantages regarding memory and I/O
1128358503 M * Johnsie I have just the project for Hollow then.
1128358522 M * Johnsie When I get more money rounded up, we'll see if he can do AMD64 with Reiser 4.
1128358523 M * Johnsie haha
1128358540 M * Hollow do they have UPS?
1128358548 M * Johnsie ThePlanet?
1128358551 M * Hollow yeah
1128358558 M * Johnsie Oh yes...they have five facilities in Dallas.
1128358563 M * Johnsie They have a big ass NOC.
1128358565 M * Hollow great, so we can use xfs ;)
1128358571 M * Johnsie :-O
1128358572 M * Johnsie LOL
1128358586 M * Johnsie I don't care what you use...well, mostly.
1128358589 M * Johnsie haha
1128358590 M * Hollow xfs is great, but it doesn't like power failures too much ;)
1128358605 M * Johnsie So I noticed ... the Gentoo Handbook all but swears it off.
1128358620 M * Hollow well, last time i read it was back in 2004 :P
1128358627 M * Johnsie Well, I'm a n00b.
1128358644 M * Hollow i'm using xfs only. it always worked like a charm for me
1128358656 M * Hollow i don't say others are bad, or xfs is better, i just have good experience with it ;)
1128358665 M * Johnsie You do realize that part of me giving you access is so you'll set it up the system and take away some of the headaches while I continue learning, right? LOL
1128358676 Q * prae Quit: Execute Order 69 !
1128358693 M * Hollow heh..
1128358698 M * Johnsie I mean, you'll know when to upgrade and everything else.
1128358698 M * Johnsie LOL
1128358720 M * Johnsie I'm not that bad, I'm teasing you.
1128358724 M * Johnsie I can mostly hold my own.
1128358734 M * Hollow well, i don't blame you either.. ;)
1128358765 M * Hollow learning is the best you can do ;)
1128358767 M * Johnsie I am learning somewhat quickly... I catch on to some things fairly fast.
1128358783 M * Johnsie And who knows, you might warp my mind and turn me into a programmer or something.
1128358787 M * Johnsie Then I can be a Gentoo whore.
1128358794 M * Johnsie Err, a Gentoo programming whore.
1128358797 M * Hollow yeah... unfortunately this genius is switched off in school for my part.. :P
1128358805 M * Johnsie haha
1128358819 M * Johnsie So you're a student?
1128358851 M * Hollow in about a year..
1128358862 M * Johnsie Don't tell me you're in high school.
1128358863 M * Johnsie heh
1128358867 M * Hollow i am..
1128358870 M * Johnsie Wow.
1128358875 M * Hollow at least what it's meant to be in germany ;)
1128358879 M * Johnsie Now I really feel dumb. :D
1128358882 M * Bertl now don't use it against him :)
1128358888 M * Johnsie I'm not!
1128358899 M * Hollow i can cope with it ;)
1128358901 M * Johnsie Then again, computers aren't my first love, per se.
1128358912 M * Johnsie I'm a phone guy by trade.
1128358945 M * Johnsie I want to go to medical school... I think.
1128358956 M * Johnsie I'm 24, so it's not too late.
1128358962 M * Hollow my veines ever felt like being made of bits and bytes.. ;)
1128358966 M * Johnsie Although by the time I get out, I may sprout some grey hair.
1128358978 A * Hollow 19
1128358995 M * Johnsie Oh, if you want to give Bertl access, do so.
1128359016 M * Johnsie He's an upstanding guy.
1128359021 M * Hollow right
1128359025 M * Johnsie I don't think he'll leave my box in smoke and flames.
1128359026 M * Johnsie LOL
1128359034 M * Hollow ;)
1128359100 M * Bertl Greek0: ping?
1128359108 M * Johnsie Anyway, I hope this DRAC card works the way we want.
1128359116 M * Johnsie Did you see the screenshots for that, Hollow?
1128359120 M * Johnsie http://www.theplanet.com/control/drac.html
1128359121 M * Hollow it looks very neat :)
1128359124 M * Hollow yup
1128359126 M * Johnsie I never used one.
1128359134 M * Johnsie So, it'll be new territory for me as well.
1128359141 M * Johnsie But I used to have just serial access...what a pooper.
1128359158 M * Johnsie Their serial crap was about as stable as Charles Manson on crack cocaine.
1128359176 M * Hollow i prefer weed
1128359178 M * Hollow ;)
1128359181 M * Johnsie haha
1128359208 M * Bertl Johnsie: does it also work _without_ IE :)
1128359216 M * Hollow lol
1128359240 M * Bertl Johnsie: because if not, I definitely prefer the serial console :)
1128359308 M * Hollow dinner time, brb
1128359517 M * Johnsie I would imagine it does. :)
1128359526 M * Johnsie We have serial access as well as far as I know.
1128359544 M * Johnsie I think this is on the motherboard or interfaces to it.
1128359568 M * Johnsie Some of the old Acer Altos servers had remote control crap.
1128359846 M * Millox is it possible to assign diffrent mac addresses to different vservers?
1128359887 M * Bertl no, unless you have different physical interfaces for each
1128359922 M * Millox pity, would have been cool
1128359975 M * Greek0 Bertl: pong
1128359986 M * Millox suppose I could use some tun/tap-glue with bridging to achieve the same result but a lot more icky solution
1128360019 M * Bertl Greek0: got a moment for me?
1128360344 M * Greek0 sure
1128360367 M * Greek0 otoh you could also come over to the quintessenz ;)
1128360530 M * Bertl Greek0: no, I could not .. 120km away :)
1128360548 M * Bertl Greek0: http://pastebin.com/381012
1128360579 M * Bertl this is a trace (as result of a segfault) which was encountered by gndmstr
1128360606 M * Greek0 mhm
1128360613 M * Bertl it is an intentional oops/trace caused by the following bug chec
1128360663 M * Bertl free_vx_info()
1128360675 M * Bertl /* context shutdown is mandatory */
1128360679 M * Bertl BUG_ON(!vx_info_state(vxi, VXS_SHUTDOWN));
1128360695 M * Greek0 mhm
1128360703 M * Bertl I assume that we either hit the special case:
1128360741 M * lilo (hi Bertl :)
1128360764 M * Bertl hey lilo! how RU?
1128360812 M * Bertl Greek0: kernel/vserver/context.c 707
1128360885 M * mnemoc Bertl: runit doesn't die for -s CONT (halt) neither
1128360916 M * Bertl okay, so runit needs the reboot_kill feature?
1128360922 M * mnemoc ack
1128360950 M * Greek0 if this fails, we might end up with a hashed vx_info <-- around there?
1128360957 Q * Johnsie Quit: G'bye!
1128360962 M * Bertl mnemoc: good, I see no big problem getting that into 2.0.1 as it isn't very complex ... but I'd appreciate some more testing ...
1128360980 M * Bertl Greek0: yes, but maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places
1128361000 M * mnemoc i have to machines, one with 4 and other with 3 vservers with linux-2.6.11.12-2.0.1-pre2-rkill
1128361004 M * mnemoc two*
1128361016 M * mnemoc working fine
1128361020 M * Greek0 well, it's currently not the best environment for concentrated hacking here
1128361026 J * Johnsie ~john@acs-24-154-53-217.zoominternet.net
1128361029 M * kevinp Bertl: Apparently new kernel releases understand LABEL in fstab?
1128361040 M * Greek0 unfortunately I'll probably be off for some days now (wednesday evening probably)
1128361132 M * Greek0 can you repro the problem?
1128361201 M * Bertl kevinp: they might? RH* always patched that ...
1128361569 M * Greek0 Bertl?
1128361589 M * Bertl no, unfortunately not
1128361613 M * Bertl but it seems it is related to the proc remount, gndmstr still has enabled on guest startup/shutdown
1128361627 M * Bertl (at least I remember something like that)
1128361630 M * lilo Bertl: hanging in there.... the hurricane business was a bit disconcerting, but everything's pretty much back to normal
1128361635 M * Greek0 has he described the stuff in irc/vserver-list?
1128361658 M * Greek0 i.e. what triggers his problem?
1128361676 M * Bertl http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2005-10/LOG_2005-10-02.txt / 1128288398
1128361792 M * Greek0 hmm. hast du irgendwelche qemu smp patches?
1128361810 M * Greek0 hab kein smp system daheim :-/
1128361822 M * Bertl Greek0: english plz :)
1128361850 M * Bertl No AFAIK there are no SMP patches yet
1128361875 M * Greek0 arg *hits self*
1128361876 M * Greek0 sorry
1128362575 M * Bertl now trying to trigger it on SMP ...
1128362616 M * Greek0 what did you mean with proc remounting?
1128362698 Q * lilo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128362823 M * Bertl some time back it was suggested to use mount -o remount,rw /proc to get rid of 'hanging' contexts
1128362874 J * lilo ~lilo@lilo.usercloak.oftc.net
1128362888 M * Bertl as this trace includes a proc remount, it might be related
1128362916 M * Bertl but I might be completely wrong here, and it is the proc mounting inside the guest
1128362945 M * Bertl actually it looks like it is the _new_ mount inside ...
1128362977 Q * liquid__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1128363109 M * Greek0 hmm. so it happens at shutdown, afaics? the mount is done via util-vserver hooks?
1128363177 M * Bertl hmm, no actually I overlooked the following detail:
1128363186 M * Bertl D      0:00 /bin/mount -n -o nodev -t proc none .
1128363303 M * Greek0 where do you have that from?
1128363360 M * Bertl the irc log/gndmstr
1128363629 J * liquid__ ~liquid@p54974EEE.dip.t-dialin.net
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1128366920 J * mrec_ ~revenger@p54B00521.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1128367760 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk
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1128371904 J * otsuarez ~otsuarez@200.55.135.13
1128371918 M * otsuarez hi
1128371929 M * Bertl welcome otsuarez!
1128371957 M * otsuarez i was wondering if there's a way of managing iptables inside an vserver
1128371977 M * otsuarez each vserver be able to set up its own iptables rules
1128371996 M * Bertl heh, as I already said (on OVZ channel) .. not without ngnet
1128372004 M * otsuarez could that be done with vserver? (i read that openvz can, and since both are based on similar technologies)
1128372025 M * Bertl similar technology, but completely different implementation
1128372027 M * otsuarez yeap, i though you could be that Bertl
1128372040 M * otsuarez so, openvz leads on this issue, right?
1128372069 M * Bertl depends how you define that, but yes, they have some kind of network stack virtualization
1128372085 M * Bertl (as does FreeVPS IIRC)
1128372140 M * Bertl it is just that linux-vserver has waited with an implementation because we want to avoid any overhead (which such approach could/would) add
1128372145 M * otsuarez i need to setup a linux box for students, and i need the professors to be able to setup whatever iptable rule they decide
1128372177 M * Bertl iptables works fine on linux-vserver too, just not from _inside_ the guests
1128372208 M * otsuarez i intend not to tell the professor that the have a virtual server ;)
1128372223 M * otsuarez just to give them a login/pass 
1128372227 M * Bertl ah, well, why not go for Xen or UML then?
1128372239 M * Bertl (would give a much better virtualization)
1128372240 M * otsuarez performance reasons
1128372255 M * otsuarez that server would be serving other services
1128372273 M * Bertl you can always tell you're inside a guest (linux-vserver or OVZ)
1128372295 J * douglas ~douglas@douglas.user.oftc.net
1128372300 M * douglas hey bertl
1128372308 M * Bertl otsuarez: although I have to admint, that it requires some knowledge
1128372309 M * douglas whats the easiest way to change the vservers io routes?
1128372313 M * Bertl hey douglas!
1128372314 M * douglas io=ip
1128372320 M * otsuarez yeap, but it seems that openvz give more freedom at this time to the guest user
1128372329 M * Bertl douglas: linux networking? :)
1128372426 M * douglas let me ask you this.  Does all the information from the vservers pass through the host machine in a way where a simple firewall could be done inside the host machine to block access to certain ports?
1128372479 M * Bertl all ip traffic (currently without ngnet) _happens_ _on_ the host ...
1128372503 M * Bertl so all tricks, rules, tables, bandwidth shapings, etc will apply
1128372513 M * douglas ok so I could put in a firewall for example, 192.168.1.100 is the host, 101 is the vserver, I could put in firewall rules to block say port 80 for ip 192.168.1.101 and it would work correct?
1128372526 M * Bertl yep, precisely
1128373502 M * otsuarez do anyone could tell me how stable is the ngnet patch, and how long before it could considered stable enough for production use?
1128373602 M * intrigeri otsuarez, the latest patch seems to be diff-2.6.11-vs2.0-rc2-ng9.5.diff 
1128373610 M * Bertl it is not stable yet, and it will not become stable this year ...
1128373629 M * Bertl but hopefully there will be a version at the end of the year
1128373642 M * intrigeri otsuarez, so it does not seem to be really usable yet, otherwise there would be patches against 2.0
1128373652 M * intrigeri Bertl, wow, would be great :)
1128373808 M * Bertl feel free to speed it up by some donations :)
1128373832 M * otsuarez wow, i wish i could
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1128376112 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-059.dialup.optusnet.com.au
1128376188 M * otsuarez thks for the tips, bye
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