1127520558 Q * Blissex Remote host closed the connection 1127520915 Q * lilo_ Quit: leaving 1127521119 N * _are_ are|afk 1127524955 Q * litage Read error: Connection reset by peer 1127525748 J * litage ~nick@203.201.98.213 1127526113 M * Bertl k, good night everybody ... cya tomorrow! 1127526129 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1127527388 Q * mountie Remote host closed the connection 1127527404 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1127533348 J * gndmstr ~gndmstr@ip1.pathworx.sbbsnet.net 1127533409 Q * gndmstr Remote host closed the connection 1127535255 Q * jkl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127535309 Q * Hunger Remote host closed the connection 1127536860 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1127536883 J * Hollow ~Hollow@home.xnull.de 1127536955 Q * Hollow Quit: 1127536986 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1127539902 J * hiaslboy ~hiaslboy@62.99.160.157 1127542886 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de 1127542948 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1127542956 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de 1127543162 Q * Hollow Remote host closed the connection 1127543178 J * Hollow ~hollow@home.xnull.de 1127544651 M * douglas hey 1127544653 M * douglas anyone there? 1127544667 M * douglas how come df doesn't work in my debian vserver? 1127545382 M * Eyck what do you mean? 1127545393 M * Eyck what have you got in your mtab inside vserver? 1127545816 M * are|afk i tend and do rm /etc/mtab; ln -s /proc/mount /etc/mtab, usually works. but probably there is a more direct approach, too. 1127546474 Q * litage Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127546529 M * Eyck i don't think this is the best approach with vservers, unless something changed 1127546559 M * Eyck try putting something like that there: 1127546560 M * Eyck /dev/hdv1 / vfs none 0 0 1127547094 M * Greek0 hmm. I'm not completely sure here, but I think the ln -s /proc/mounts approach _is_ the right thing to do 1127547154 M * Greek0 since mtab contains random stuff and /proc/mounts just always knows it better 1127547202 J * litage ~nick@203.201.98.35 1127547221 M * Eyck Greek0: always? 1127547261 M * Eyck Greek0: my /proc/mounts contains physical view of the vserver, and this view is not 'better' then /dev/hdv1 1127547279 M * Greek0 Eyck: /proc/mounts is just the kernel view of the namespace, which is always correct, technically 1127547298 M * Eyck for a very limited definition of 'correct' 1127547340 M * Greek0 why do you think /dev/hdv1 should be the right root device within vservers? 1127547357 M * Greek0 (I'm just not sure what's a good way to go here actually) 1127547361 M * Eyck why do you think it shouldn't? 1127547436 M * Greek0 valid point. I have no idea why it shouldn't 1127547457 M * Greek0 however I also don't know what's wrong with /dev/root 37G 19G 17G 54% / 1127547462 M * Greek0 (as proc shows it) 1127547476 M * Eyck I, for one, like this effect: 1127547477 M * Eyck dev:/# df -h 1127547477 M * Eyck Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 1127547477 M * Eyck /dev/hdv1 67G 67G 653M 100% / 1127547477 M * Eyck /dev/hdv2 2.9G 2.7G 242M 92% /var/lib/cvs 1127547502 M * Greek0 what I think is a bit annoying is that when you do bind-mounts from outside into the vserver, the outside pathname shows up in /etc/mtab 1127547519 M * Eyck no it doesn't 1127547528 M * Eyck /var/lib/cvs is a bind mount 1127547550 M * Greek0 /home/greek0/export/homepage /var/www ufs ro,bind 0 0 <-- directly from my mtab 1127547569 M * Eyck well, your mtab is inferior to my mtab then;) 1127547604 M * Greek0 /home/greek0/export/homepage /var/www ext3 ro,bind 0 0 <-- directly from my /etc/vservers//fstab 1127547658 M * Greek0 what's in your mtab, what host/guest os are you running, and what kernel do you use? 1127547746 M * Eyck you always startle little girls with so many personal questions? 1127547812 M * Greek0 if they have interesting stuff going on on their computers and I'm wondering why I don't have it that way -- yes 1127547842 M * Eyck it's all vserver goodnes, 1.2.11 all the way 1127547894 M * Greek0 hmmm.. 1127548005 M * Greek0 I was actually wondering for quite some more time why mtab still exists at all, except for portability reasons 1127549167 J * jkl eric@c-67-176-41-149.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1127553166 Q * hiaslboy Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127553867 J * yarihm ~yarihm@80-218-5-17.dclient.hispeed.ch 1127555844 J * liquid3649 ~inet@p54974382.dip.t-dialin.net 1127557690 J * tomi ~tomi@pha-84-242-95-4.nat.karneval.cz 1127559448 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1127559678 J * jayeola ~jayeola@host86-130-200-138.range86-130.btcentralplus.com 1127559683 M * jayeola hey boys 1127559755 M * jayeola the best way to remove a vserver from one that's installed from source is `make clean && make distclean && make uninstall ` , yah? 1127561218 M * daniel_hozac remove _a_ vserver, or util-vserver? 1127561239 M * daniel_hozac make distclean would remove Makefiles so uninstall wouldn't work... 1127561242 M * jayeola util, tanks for the correction 1127562121 Q * tomi Quit: Ukončuji 1127562366 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127562374 Q * prae Quit: Pwet 1127563578 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1127565117 Q * dddd44 Quit: Leaving 1127565487 Q * yarihm Quit: Leaving 1127566340 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127567228 Q * jayeola Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127567898 Q * any Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127567979 Q * Eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127587961 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 2.0.1-pre2, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0-rc2 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1127587961 T * Bertl - 1127587998 T * * http://linux-vserver.org/ | latest stable 2.0, 2.0.1-pre2, 1.2.10, 1.2.11-rc1, devel 2.1.0-rc2 | He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who doesn't ask is a fool for a lifetime -- share the gained knowledge on the wiki, and we'll forget about the minute ;) 1127587998 T * Bertl - 1127588003 M * Greek0 numdummies oor simmilar 1127588031 M * qua OK 1127588046 M * qua what would be drawbacks of using loopback instead? 1127588047 M * Greek0 I wonder why I always spell similar as simmilar 1127588086 J * Bertl herbert@212.16.62.52 1127588101 M * Greek0 I think you can't really use loopback device, since 127.0.0.1 is handled specially by the kernel 1127588104 M * qua sidenote: this definitely looks very useful in the required scenario, I'm just wondering if my usual choice would have been wrong 1127588141 M * qua well, you could have multiple loopbacks with more IPs, no? 1127588167 M * qua maybe I'm confusing loop device /dev/loop0 /dev/loop1 and "lo" interface here.. 1127588168 M * daniel_hozac the loopback device itself is special. 1127588174 M * Greek0 if you have an ip != 127.0.0.1 what's the point of lo then? 1127588232 M * qua maybe you want 127.0.1.0 and ..2.0 and some routing magic.. but I don't really know, dummy is apparently used for this instead 1127588258 M * qua daniel_hozac, any idea what more could I try to make the bind 0.0.0.0:80 work on multiple vservers? 1127588274 M * sebi do you need more than one dummy with aliases? 1127588285 M * sebi aliasing the dummy... ;-) 1127588343 M * daniel_hozac qua: it would seem to be a configuration problem, so just look over your configs. 1127588625 M * qua daniel_hozac, OK, I have swallowed my response on usefullness of Flower Page (contents, not worried about design), I guess the conclustion is the problem is in config and that's good news! Thanks for your help 1127588807 J * Blissex ~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk 1127588816 Q * qua Quit: deflowering the config 1127588958 M * Greek0 Best vserver-related quit message I've seen so far 1127589012 J * jrc ~jrc@cpe.atm0-0-0-1101164.0x50a6e7aa.bynxx5.customer.tele.dk 1127589014 M * sebi hm, not bad :-) 1127589019 N * jrc jcarlsen 1127589019 M * nox hehe 1127589022 N * jcarlsen jrcarlsen 1127589099 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: You around? 1127590372 M * Bertl almost :) 1127590676 M * Bertl jrcarlsen: okay, now I'm back :) 1127590750 M * Greek0 wb 1127590752 Q * dddd44 iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * eyck iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * mnemoc iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * prae iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * michal iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * click iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * ag-2 iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * SNy iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * maharaja iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * Loki|muh iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * meebey iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590752 Q * case iridium.oftc.net jupiter.oftc.net 1127590761 M * Bertl Greek0: tx! 1127590763 M * Greek0 Bertl: what do you want to do with your varhz patch in the future? 1127590767 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de 1127590767 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127590767 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1127590767 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.8 1127590767 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1127590767 J * michal ~michal@michal.usercloak.oftc.net 1127590767 J * click click@ti511110a080-1724.bb.online.no 1127590767 J * ag-2 ag@muaddib.roxor.cx 1127590767 J * SNy 713549e1e4@bmx-chemnitz.de 1127590767 J * maharaja maharaja@ip52.ipax.at 1127590767 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net 1127590767 J * case ~case@donpanic.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de 1127590774 M * Bertl Greek0: probably drop it ... 1127590813 M * douglas bert 1127590815 M * douglas le 1127590816 M * douglas -e 1127590818 M * douglas heh 1127590824 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127590824 A * Bertl is still hoping for tickless kernel 1127590833 M * douglas I got a question for ya, plain init does work with df does it? 1127590849 M * douglas doesn't work 1127590850 M * Greek0 I'm not sure if this is so great since it sounds just soooo overengeneered. 1127590863 M * Bertl douglas: df as in coreutils? 1127590868 M * douglas yea 1127590873 M * douglas that shows dick space etc. 1127590888 M * Bertl douglas: ahem, yes, guess a lot of distros use that, no? 1127590896 M * douglas yes 1127590933 M * Greek0 personally I probably couldn't care less about HZ, and afaik there were some patches merged that enable stuff like MIDI to operate at a frequence > HZ 1127590963 M * Bertl yeah, midi has stricter requirements than 250Hz 1127590968 M * douglas I'd like to use plain init but df doesn't work 1127590979 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I went to the hosting center today, and the computer was in a kernel panic. Last think it did was trying to load the network modules. Anyway, I have reverded back to 2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 which is stable for me. 1127590985 M * Bertl douglas: one isn't related to the other ... 1127590986 M * Greek0 Bertl: yep, but I saw some patches that fixed that issues with midi apparently 1127590988 M * jrcarlsen think = thing 1127591018 M * douglas bertl it appears so tho, cuz when I run plain init df stops producing any output, when I switch to sysv it works fine. 1127591021 M * Bertl jrcarlsen: why were we updating, and what was the panic? 1127591044 M * Bertl douglas: df looks at the mtab, you might want to setup one ... 1127591045 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I still can't confirm whether its a vserver, or general kernel problem 1127591066 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: I had oopses and we upgraded to the newest vserver version 1127591069 M * Greek0 Bertl: douglas' problems seem to be related to init style 1127591077 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Gentoo AMD64 SMP system 1127591097 M * Greek0 he chose plain init style, and there his mtab did only contain devpts and procfs. switching to sysv init style worked 1127591101 M * douglas yea but mtab is grabed from /etc/fstab tho usually isn't it? if /etc/vservers//fstab used as a template so it symbolic mount those points without recieiving errors? 1127591112 M * douglas if=it 1127591116 M * douglas is I should say 1127591121 M * douglas I can't type today 1127591122 M * Greek0 afaik the mtab is dynamically created by mount while uhm. mounting ;) 1127591128 M * jrcarlsen Bertl: Don't think too much about it, I just promised to let you know what happened. I'll investigate a little on my own from here 1127591130 M * douglas yea 1127591130 M * Bertl yep 1127591151 M * douglas so I have to add /dev/hdv1 inside the mount point then? cuz right now the /etc/fstab inside a vserver is blank 1127591162 M * douglas what should I add in there so it works with plain init then? 1127591168 M * Bertl jrcarlsen: there is absolutely no reason why a vanilla kernel should oops on your system ... 1127591227 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127591303 M * jrcarlsen jrcarlsen: I still haven't tried the vanilla kernel, only the Gentoo packages 1127591325 M * jrcarlsen jrcarlsen: They do add a few patches besides the vserver patch 1127591405 M * douglas bertl? 1127591439 M * Bertl add an mtab file to your config 1127591458 M * douglas were? 1127591469 M * Bertl or even better, stop your scripts from removing the existing ... 1127591472 M * douglas under /etc/vservers// 1127591478 M * Bertl what guest distro is this? 1127591491 M * douglas debian, but I wanna leave it there 1127591535 M * douglas I wanna live the init script, I wouldn;'t mind adding it into the config file, just were? does it go in the config file of the vserver itself or inside some init.d script inside the vserver 1127591561 M * Bertl I _assume_ your guest distro zeros out the mtab 1127591575 M * Bertl (because util-vserver usually addrs a proper mtab) 1127591576 M * douglas yea on bootup 1127591608 M * Bertl so you either (the simpler way) have to stop the guest from doing that, or, add the mtab file back later 1127591616 M * douglas yea 1127591625 M * douglas ok so stoping the guest frmo doing that is the easy way? 1127591634 M * douglas where is that? in inittab ya think? 1127591650 M * Bertl guess in one of the rc scripts (which should not be executed :) 1127591719 M * douglas I'm confusing 1127591720 M * douglas err 1127591722 M * douglas I'm confused 1127591742 M * douglas the util-vserver creats the mtab file when? when you build the vserver? or when you start the vserver? 1127591751 M * Bertl when you start the guest 1127591763 M * Bertl (because it does the mounting for the guest) 1127591911 Q * jkl Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. 1127591943 M * douglas hey bertl what are traceroute programs that can be used inside a vserver? 1127591968 M * Bertl with 2.6, basically all should work ... 1127591986 M * douglas umm I have 2.6 and I enabled icmp_raw and it gives me permission denied in 2.6 1127592020 M * douglas raceroute: Warning: yahoo.com has multiple addresses; using 216.109.112.135 1127592020 M * douglas traceroute: raw socket: Operation not permitted 1127592021 M * Bertl really? did debian spend some time to develop a new traceroute? 1127592030 M * douglas not that I know of 1127592040 A * Bertl is checking now ... 1127592089 M * douglas #cat /etc/vservers/vs1/ccapabilities 1127592089 M * douglas raw_icmp 1127592186 M * Blissex Bertl: there are several ''trace route'' programs out there, with all sorts of different approaches. 1127592299 J * jkl eric@c-67-176-41-149.hsd1.co.comcast.net 1127592308 M * Bertl welcome jkl! 1127592311 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127592327 M * Bertl Blissex: yeah, I know, just the debian version should be the same as ever ... 1127592334 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127592355 M * jkl Bertl: yo! 1127592386 M * douglas so what do you think bertl? 1127592395 M * douglas how come traceroute isn't working? 1127592408 M * jkl Bertl: do you know anything about the gentoo vserver-baselayout package? 1127592546 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127592642 M * Bertl jkl: yes, hollow is working on that ... 1127592684 M * jkl do you know if the host or the guest is supposed to use that baselayou? 1127592697 M * jkl *baselayout 1127592894 Q * kas_3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127593081 M * douglas still looking bertl? 1127593349 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127593458 M * daniel_hozac jkl: guests. 1127593522 M * douglas bertl? 1127593523 M * douglas hello? 1127593736 M * jkl daniel_hozac: thanks :) 1127593759 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127594322 M * sebi one last question: when I run several vservers, each one with a samba process (different networks), but I want to use some shares with all vservers (p.e. global software repository). Should I mount the /home/samba-share under every vserver? Or are directory-hardlinks the way to go? Or another option I didn't mention? 1127594486 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127594919 Q * kas_3 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127594920 M * mnemoc what about unionfs? 1127594992 Q * dddd44 helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * case helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * meebey helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * click helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * prae helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * Loki|muh_ helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * mnemoc helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * maharaja helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * SNy helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * michal helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * eyck helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * ag-2 helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * nox helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * jrcarlsen helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * litage helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * Aiken helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * sebi helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * mountie helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * yungyuc_ helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * lonewolff helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * Getty helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * sladen helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * micah helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * DaCa helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127594992 Q * derbien helium.oftc.net arion.oftc.net 1127595021 J * dddd44 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127595021 J * case ~case@donpanic.faveve.uni-stuttgart.de 1127595021 J * meebey meebey@booster.qnetp.net 1127595021 J * maharaja maharaja@ip52.ipax.at 1127595021 J * SNy 713549e1e4@bmx-chemnitz.de 1127595021 J * ag-2 ag@muaddib.roxor.cx 1127595021 J * click click@ti511110a080-1724.bb.online.no 1127595021 J * michal ~michal@michal.usercloak.oftc.net 1127595021 J * prae ~benjamin@sherpadown.net 1127595021 J * mnemoc ~amery@200.75.27.8 1127595021 J * eyck eyck@81.219.64.71 1127595021 J * Loki|muh_ loki@satanix.de 1127595021 J * jrcarlsen ~jrc@cpe.atm0-0-0-1101164.0x50a6e7aa.bynxx5.customer.tele.dk 1127595021 J * litage ~nick@203.201.97.154 1127595021 J * Aiken ~james@tooax6-107.dialup.optusnet.com.au 1127595021 J * sebi ~sebi@C4ca8.c.strato-dslnet.de 1127595021 J * mountie ~mountie@CPEdeaddeaddead-CM000a739acaa4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 1127595021 J * yungyuc_ ~yungyuc@220-135-53-220.HINET-IP.hinet.net 1127595021 J * lonewolff ~lonewolff@86.128.17.74 1127595021 J * Getty torsten@eisprinzessin.rz.unixnetwork.org 1127595021 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net 1127595021 J * micah micah@micha.hampshire.edu 1127595021 J * nox ~nox@noxlux.de 1127595021 J * DaCa ~danny@mail.limehouse.org 1127595021 J * derbien ~derbien@whiterabbit.nbmc.de 1127595029 Q * liquid3649 Quit: 1127595070 M * Aiken mnemoc I have had a quick play with unionfs 1127595079 M * Aiken setup a couple of cows using it 1127595101 M * Aiken seemed to work but I was having issues with file timestamps 1127595123 M * mnemoc what kind of issues? 1127595152 M * mnemoc is it lvm friendly? 1127595235 M * Aiken I was using the file timestamps to see if some files were older then another file 1127595257 M * Aiken the timestamp comparisons were wrong and the the wrong files kept getting deleted 1127595271 M * Aiken something that worked as it should, when it should on the host 1127595288 M * Aiken I got sidetracked by something before I looked into it too much 1127595333 M * sebi hmm.. i don't think this is the point. the same directory should be available on all the vservers, unionfs gives me the opportunity to "write" on cdroms. 1127595359 M * daniel_hozac sebi: you could just bind mount into the vservers. 1127595380 M * daniel_hozac it's probably the easiest way. 1127595396 M * sebi that was my question. or would it be better to hard-link the directory? 1127595417 M * sebi (or perhaps nfs (overkill)) 1127595447 Q * ntrs Remote host closed the connection 1127595477 M * sebi (but i think i'll go for the mounting, that seened also the most fitting idea...) 1127597061 J * ntrs ~ntrs@68-188-50-87.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com 1127597735 Q * nox Quit: Changing server 1127598077 J * kas_3 ~dhb55@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1127598694 Q * dddd44 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1127598954 J * monrad ~monrad@213083190134.sonofon.dk 1127599188 Q * jrcarlsen Quit: Changing server 1127599192 M * eyck anyone recalls Bertl's RS232-attached restarter? 1127599228 M * eyck sebi: I would go with ro-bound mount 1127599692 M * daniel_hozac http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Remote-Reset/ ? 1127600138 M * eyck daniel_hozac: thnx.